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Re:The best of Open Source....Let's see: You see, the best of Open Source is already on Windows. People have already voted with their feet, they may like open source software, but they don't give a damn about using it on Linux!
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Ooops... /. ed?
Apparently it's timing out now.
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Re:needs to integrate better
Did you create a new profile? Read the release notes about the issue of profiles.
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Re:What about SVG?
They've been rewriting the SVG backend.
This was marked as fixed on Feb 7, so now they're probably working on getting more of the bugs it blocked fixed. Once they major ones (there's at least 2 that caused crashes) are fixed, it should start showing up in nightly trunk builds. -
A button campaign! Woohoo!
So now there's a button campaign! Back in the day, we had Netscape Now!, then there was a MSIE Now!, and then there was a loooong silence. Way too long. Way way WAY too long.
Party like it's 1996!
In case you still have that personal homepage thing gathering dust in some corner of the web, or a blog that you think no one reads but several people actually do - DO the button thing! RELIVE the nostalgy! HEAR the whining from standards-brandishing people (who, gritting their teeth, will admit Firefox supports W3C standards well, unlike that other browser)!
I'll try that page as soon as the mozilla site isn't completely slashdotted. I had to make my own stupid "Mozilla Now" button several months ago, glad Mozilla folks have finally done them themselves =)
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Re:Names
Huh, Tinderbox?
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More infoIt looks like this name change (mainly to satisfy complaints from the Firebird DB guys) will be the last one.
The name is being filed as a trademark and is apparently pretty unique. I was at first leery of another name change, but this should hopefully sort things out once and for all. Also the new fiery-fox-on-globe logo is really cool and firefoxes (aka red pandas) are just soooo cute.
BTW, the long delay in the new 0.8 release -- which adds a MSWindows installer, a new default theme for MacOS X and improved filetype, XPI and download management and other stuff -- is explained by the time taken to verify that the new name was unique and to file the trademark.
There is more info about the name change in the official FAQ and a lot of unofficial detail on Ben Goodger's blog
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More infoIt looks like this name change (mainly to satisfy complaints from the Firebird DB guys) will be the last one.
The name is being filed as a trademark and is apparently pretty unique. I was at first leery of another name change, but this should hopefully sort things out once and for all. Also the new fiery-fox-on-globe logo is really cool and firefoxes (aka red pandas) are just soooo cute.
BTW, the long delay in the new 0.8 release -- which adds a MSWindows installer, a new default theme for MacOS X and improved filetype, XPI and download management and other stuff -- is explained by the time taken to verify that the new name was unique and to file the trademark.
There is more info about the name change in the official FAQ and a lot of unofficial detail on Ben Goodger's blog
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More infoIt looks like this name change (mainly to satisfy complaints from the Firebird DB guys) will be the last one.
The name is being filed as a trademark and is apparently pretty unique. I was at first leery of another name change, but this should hopefully sort things out once and for all. Also the new fiery-fox-on-globe logo is really cool and firefoxes (aka red pandas) are just soooo cute.
BTW, the long delay in the new 0.8 release -- which adds a MSWindows installer, a new default theme for MacOS X and improved filetype, XPI and download management and other stuff -- is explained by the time taken to verify that the new name was unique and to file the trademark.
There is more info about the name change in the official FAQ and a lot of unofficial detail on Ben Goodger's blog
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Re:Dammit.
Stop playing name games. That's the sort of thing that can really hurt adoption.
You're right, that valuable brand recognition is damaged by name changes.
But there were enough problems with the Firebird moniker to justify the name change. And, arguably, with bare single digit percentage market penetration, it's still early in the game; name changes aren't as such a big deal to the party faithful.
A really important step to promote the growth of firefox might be overlooked: their little button logos available for you to put on your web site.
As a responsible web site maintainer, these buttons can go alongside some previously collected good button merit badges such as
- W3C complaince with standards HTML 4, CSS, XHTML 1, MathML, SVG, etc.
- works best with any browser
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Discusting (S core:5, Insightful)
The design on that website is absouley awful. Im not joking. Not even the newley released Firefox can make it look good.. How is he expected to be the President of the USA if he cant even design a decen webpage!
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Re:Yeay!
Eudora uses the mbox format too. Thunderbird is nothing special in that arena. And by the way, until Mozilla Calendar can halfway compete with Outlook, Windows users won't be migrating to Linux anytime soon.
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Just Installed ThunderbirdAnd it's quite nice
... new UI look & feel and what I've been waiting for: envelope icons that update to a status that reflects when you've forwarded or replied to an e-mail already.Wary of the new Firebird^H^H^H^Hfox -- not sure if I'm ready for a release that seems just to be a marketing name change (their changes don't seem all that relevant to me, but YMMV).
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Re:Any Mirrors?
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Re:needs to integrate better
The migration of mozilla settings is scheduled for 0.9. Remember, in spite of appearances, Fire(bird|fox) is still beta software, and it's not feature complete. The plan is to make 0.9 feature complete and then work on polish in the run up to 1.0.
I'd agree that the mozilla search functionality is easier for advanced users than the corresponding functionality in Firefox. However, the FF functionality is more obvious to less advanced users and more consistent with the behaviour of other programs. Personally, I find that Custom Keywords make for a better search interface than Seamonkey or Firefox. In fact I believe that FF now comes with some custom keywords built in - although you've probably just deleted those by overwriting the bookmarks. See How Cool are Custom Keywords for more information. -
Re:Asking for troublethey seem to not know what their slogan is - their (new) button page lists all of the following:
- The browser, reloaded
- Take back the web
- Web browsing redefined
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Domain names...Bummer that firefox.com, firefox.org and firefox.net are already taken! Furthermore, Google already knows 76700 instances of firefox. Should we expect yet another name by version
.9??The logo is nice though. Can't wait to give it a try.
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FAQ on the naming available...
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Re:firefox
As stated in the press release, "[t]o avoid overlap with another open source project". That would be the Firebird database.
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More Information
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MirrorBe sure to use a mirror, it's getting slow already.
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Re:government control
"As opposed to what? What Internet are you using right now? My Internet is flooded with ads."
My internet is not.
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GoogleThe way Google needs to compete is to show their users that there's no need for Microsoft.... Why? Because MS may just do its best to stop the Google toolbar working in IE for Longhorn. Microsoft have already 'innovated' an MSN toolbar that looks very similar to the Google offering.
So instead of offering their official toolbar for IE only (the one for Mozilla is unofficial), start to slowly phase out the Google Toolbar and replace it with the Google Browser which would basically be a Google branded Mozilla Firebird. With all the features that make Firebird great like Tabbed Browsing, with the addition of the Google Toolbar features such as PageRank, etc. All on a cross platform basis.
If people get used to downloading better browsers now, then they won't even notice when the next release of IE starts to reject the Google Toolbar.
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Re:For more information check out theserverside.co
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A really old Mozilla bug
Bug number 2903's creation date is 2000-01-31.
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Do you want free software?
Perl.
Roxen WebServer (very intuitive, and GPL!).
Phew!! And that's a short list!! There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of open source, free-for-all applications.... so many it's almost absurd not to use them!! Go ahead and get them!
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Technophiles are helpful for Linux
As a Linux user, I am sick of my Windows using freinds having problems. So I use my Linux skills to fix windows.
Useful Linux tools.
K-noppix. The Universal boot disk. Useful for deleting viruses, partitioning hard drives and of course getting rid of windows
Ports of famous Linux programs for Windows
Use this to secure the internet
It is working! Many people have asked me for my Linux CDRs and cannot be any happier. Linux saved my life as a techie. With the new KDE 3.2 there really is no excuse not to use Linux, as it is now almost totally idiot proof! -
I just want to screamThere is not a day that goes by where I do not have to clean up spyware on some computer at work. I try to recommend people to use Mozilla and they just say "No, I need to use Internet Explorer." AHHHH. My boss literally ordered a new computer because "it was running slow" due to an extreme amount of shitware on the computer. Does anyone have any failsafe arguments in getting the boss to switch over?
These spyware companies need to be stopped....I heard they are harboring terrorists and PROBABLY have some WMD...[any moment now 1000 pound bombs will be hitting Claria HQ]
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Re:Obligatory POPFile Link
I choose to view all headers, but then I click the [-] in the top left corner of the headers and then see a single line with Subject:, From:, and time. Then when I want to reclassify something, I click the [+] (same place as the [-]) and copy the X-POPFile-Link header to Firebird or whatever browser you use. <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2311
4 > is probably what they were referring to when they said this is an email client issue. If that bug is fixed, POPFile will be perfect for me. (Remember that Bugzilla doesn't take /. referrals--you'll have to copy and paste the link location.) -
Re:Should Google try to convert its traffic to mon
Those of us who use a Real Browser don't see the Google main page anymore...
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Re:Where is the open source?
> Since when is Mozilla releasing stuff under GPL?
Saying Mozilla is GPL'ed was a slipup on my part, since it's only half the truth. It's tri-licensed and the GPL is one of these licenses. Let me quote http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/relicensing-faq.html for you:
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Not running on Fedora Core 1
I just downloaded it to my Fedora Core 1 machine, and couldn't getting it to run.
NOTE: The tarball unpacks into the current directory! It doesn't create a subdirectory for itself!
There is no 'install' script at all. Untarring is the installation, so put it where you want.
When I run it, it fails and reports that I'm missing two libraries, one I do have and one I don't.
I looked at the start script and it's got a Mozilla 1.7a path hardcoded in there. I'm running Mozilla 1.6, so that's probably part of the problem.
The script also seems to expect an installation of the MRE (Mozilla Runtime Environment) Is this it?
There's no README file, no LICENSE file, no docs of any kind. It'd be nice to have the dependencies identified.
Anyone else getting it running on Fedora Core 1? With or without Mozilla 1.7a? With or without the MRE/GRE?
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Didn't resize my window
Maybe you should try upgrading your browser?
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Re:MOD PARENT UP. +5 Funny!
Maybe he used the IE6 bug. You DID patch, right?
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Its Good Thing
I think this fix is a great thing. Now when my friends say "The porn sites won't work anymore" I can say "Here Try this"
Finally Microsoft gives me a perfect answer to "But why should I switch?" questions.
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Re:Deprecating username/password in URLs
I've got your fix right here . . . Your users will be much happier with this anyways, as it will eliminate all the popups and vulnerabilities that go hand-in-hand with IE.
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Re:I'm supprised we even post this stuff..."Get the monkey off your back, switch to Mozilla Firebird"
I did, but had to switch back because of a security flaw. I posted to Bugzilla and the developers bumped the severity up to "Major". Here I am almost three months later still waiting for a problem the developers consider major to be fixed. It would seem that the only real progress they've made is the vocabulary used when slandering Microsoft.
-Lucas
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Re:finally a username:password@ fix
yah, it takes a long f-n time to test a patch that just removes the user@pass functionality...this patch is a joke, as well as thinking that IE/M$ is secure...
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Re:the needed patch
Think Firebird. I hated Mozilla, loved Firebird.
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Here are the patches:
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Re:direct link?
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I'm supprised we even post this stuff...
I'm supprised we still post this stuff. It's a never-ending saga. People find massive holes in IE. Microsoft ignores problems. People exploit problem. Microsoft, slowly, responds. Why does half of Slashdot's users still use Internet Exploiter? Get the monkey off your back, switch to Mozilla Firebird.
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Re: Great newsSince Galeon uses Gecko, isn't it possible to just create a keyword bookmark? Something like
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?search=%s
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Re:Google Link
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Re:Similiaries to Netscape vs MS not unfounded
Mozilla Firebird
Mozilla has improved, but even better if you don't require the email, authoring, etc. features of moz is Firebird. Light, fast, stable, and cool feautures like tabbed browsing. -
HONESTLY, spam isn't a problem for me anymore
I just downloaded the official MOZILLA 1.6 release. I got the whole version -- the browser, mail client, newsreader, IRC chat, etc. I had previously just used the Firebird Web browser and used a web mail service.
Well, I hooked up a secret program that downloads mail from my web mail service (Hotmail) and directly into Mozilla email. Let me tell you -- Mozilla's junk mail filtering is AMAZING.
I had over 200 messages the FIRST time I downloaded them all, and it accurately marked probably 98%+ of them as SPAM if they were spam. I never had to even look at them, it automatically put them in a junk mail folder.
I wish EVERYONE used this kind of powerful mail client as Mozilla Email. I called my mom, even, and suggested she go to mozilla.org to download it and just give it a try. I can't imagine NOT using this.
SPAM is killed DEAD in its spot by Mozilla. Great work and many kudos (and many saved hours of email deletion) to the team!
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Re:they care...
Today IE5 for Mac OS is a crumby browser compared to modern offerings such as Apple's Safari, Camino/Firebird, and OmniWeb but back near the turn of the millennium Internet Explorer 5 for Mac OS was praised far and wide as the best browser EVER for Macintosh systems, and arguably the best browser on any platform.
Here is a review at O'Reilly's Mac Developer Center (which has some geek-credit here) where they praise thinks including:
- Blending into the newly released OS X Aqua look
- The "page holder"
- Font controls
- CSS1/2 support
- PNG Support (which is still broken on windows)
- HTML4 support
Here's one over at macworld that decries it as the best thing since jesus as far as os x browsers are concerned. IE was very impressive, unfortunately Microsoft let it stagnate which hurt all mac users - choice is good.
Another article from 2000 that speaks to the quality of the MacIE.
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Re:they care...
Today IE5 for Mac OS is a crumby browser compared to modern offerings such as Apple's Safari, Camino/Firebird, and OmniWeb but back near the turn of the millennium Internet Explorer 5 for Mac OS was praised far and wide as the best browser EVER for Macintosh systems, and arguably the best browser on any platform.
Here is a review at O'Reilly's Mac Developer Center (which has some geek-credit here) where they praise thinks including:
- Blending into the newly released OS X Aqua look
- The "page holder"
- Font controls
- CSS1/2 support
- PNG Support (which is still broken on windows)
- HTML4 support
Here's one over at macworld that decries it as the best thing since jesus as far as os x browsers are concerned. IE was very impressive, unfortunately Microsoft let it stagnate which hurt all mac users - choice is good.
Another article from 2000 that speaks to the quality of the MacIE.
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Re:Entry #20
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Re:They can't be serious...
How can you Linux guys live without the Toolbar ? I *need* to know. Are you actually going to google.com every time you want to find a pic?
When I was using Galeon, I would just put a "Search Google" box in my toolbar. (Here's a screenshot with three Google search boxes. Two of them are folded closed to save space). Firebird has similar functionality.
For a variety of reasons I switched back to plain old Mozilla, and certainly don't visit Google.com directly. Personally I use a bookmark keywords . I've got "g" mapped to Google, so I just type something like "g galeon screenshots" in my address bar and I get a search for "galeon screenshots" from Google. It's such a handy feature that I've got similar keywords for Wikipedia, Everything2, dictionary.com, FreshMeat, and a few others.
However, if I was only using one search engine, I might use the default behavior build into the address bar. When you type an address in a drop list of suggests appears below. The bottom one is always, "Search ENGINE for 'YOUR KEYWORDS'", where ENGINE is one of the many options you can configure (including Google), and YOUR KEYWORDS are whatever you typed. You just select it and off you go.
If you're really keen on having a search box dedicated to Google, well, besides trying something like Galeon or Firebird, you can install the Googlebar (screenshots). Personally I'm no longer keen on adding search boxes to toolbars, I want less user interface on screen, not more. Less interface means more space for actual web page.
How are you checking PageRankings?
As a general rule I try to not obsess about what piece of software thinks about my web site or the web sites of others. Knowing PageRanking is certainly amusing, and it may be marginally useful if you're doing professional web work, but is it really that critical?
I'll admit, it's a shame Mozilla doesn't provide it, but it's not really that big of a deal.
As a bonus, it's the best popup blocker ever. I haven't seen one in a year and a half.
Neither have I. It seems a bit odd to co-mingle popup-blocking and searching into a single component, but I guess if it works for you. Mozilla's popup blocking support works great and comes built in to the browser. As a bonus I can also stop sites from doing other irritating things. For example, I've forbidden sites from resizing or moving existing windows or moving windows up and down in the screen ordering. If you're sick of sites doing stupid crawls in your status bar or hiding the real destination for links you can just click "Allow scripts to...Change status bar text."
I do like the tabbed browsing but it's like I have tabbed browsing now; I just have a dozen browsers open. I switch between them along the taskbar. RAM is cheap today gentleman. I don't really care how many of my machine's resources it takes.
Tabbed browsing has never been about resources; that you think it does shows a serious lack of understanding about modern web browsers. Every major browser (including IE and Mozilla) will only run one copy of the program, regardless of how many windows you have open. Tabs are not significantly more efficient than windows.
Tabbed browsing is about organization. The task bar works fine, but it doesn't scale. If you've got 20 windows open you've just got twenty little teeny icons with almost no text. XP's grouping helps, but all of the web browser windows get lumped together. A typical use case would be to have a window open to a web email site, another window reading a list of bugs assigned to me and a bunch of tabs for individual bugs I'm loo