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You know, if it's possible to Googlebomb Sco with litigious bastards and Bush with miserable failure, I wonder if we can Google bomb "Internet Explorer Bug" with "Install Mozilla"?

Funny you should mention that, I found this egg just a few days ago.

There is only xul.

Avant Browser. All the functionality of IE, without the hassles of IE. This exploit does not work in Avant. Avant has popup blocking, Google Bar support, one-click Flash disabler, etc.

I like Opera, and I'm curious about Mozilla, but I just don't see the point since Avant has absolutely everything (as far as I can tell).

Avant is simply a front-end wrapper for the IE Trident rendering engine. You're still using the same buggy, insecure, and otherwise terrible IE engine for web page rendering.

On top of that, you're not getting to use any of the amazing extensions available for Mozilla Firebird, plus you don't have features that Firebird has like Find-Ahead typing. (which I cannot browse without at this point)

On top of that, Firebird has an excellent Javascript console for debugging, more privacy options, themes, etc. Plus, unlike IE, it handles Javascript correctly!

And of course, there is XUL, the language that the front-end of Firebird is constructed in, which makes it extremely easy to extend. If you know Javascript & XML, you can hack Firebird without any recompiling. It really is a great product. Try Firebird!

Avant Browser. All the functionality of IE, without the hassles of IE. This exploit does not work in Avant. Avant has popup blocking, Google Bar support, one-click Flash disabler, etc.

I like Opera, and I'm curious about Mozilla, but I just don't see the point since Avant has absolutely everything (as far as I can tell).

Avant is simply a front-end wrapper for the IE Trident rendering engine. You're still using the same buggy, insecure, and otherwise terrible IE engine for web page rendering.

On top of that, you're not getting to use any of the amazing extensions available for Mozilla Firebird, plus you don't have features that Firebird has like Find-Ahead typing. (which I cannot browse without at this point)

On top of that, Firebird has an excellent Javascript console for debugging, more privacy options, themes, etc. Plus, unlike IE, it handles Javascript correctly!

And of course, there is XUL, the language that the front-end of Firebird is constructed in, which makes it extremely easy to extend. If you know Javascript & XML, you can hack Firebird without any recompiling. It really is a great product. Try Firebird!

Quite simply, people should not be using URLs to authenticate a site. I created a Mozilla bug 184881 to try and address this, by making the SSL certificate more obvious. Bug 228524 is one person's attempt at this, effectively removing the URL bar and replacing it with fields identifying the hostname and SSL/TLS identity.

Quite simply, people should not be using URLs to authenticate a site. I created a Mozilla bug 184881 to try and address this, by making the SSL certificate more obvious. Bug 228524 is one person's attempt at this, effectively removing the URL bar and replacing it with fields identifying the hostname and SSL/TLS identity.

If you look here you'll notice that the Mozilla team has been sitting around trying to figure out how to fix various "dodgy URL" issues for two years now. Open source works better eh?

Mail Integration UI (mail button option for toolbar to launch default mailer)

The URL spoofing exploit also exists in Mozilla

bzzt - wrong. It existed only partially. The status bar would display the URL incorrectly, however the address bar always correctly displayed the full URL. There was a patch for this the same day that it was discovered Mozilla was partially affected, and an improved fix has since been checked in to all major Mozilla variants. Mozilla 1.6 is fixed, as will be Firebird 0.8 (due any day now).

Check to see if your browser is vulnerable at the Secunia Adddress Bar Spoofing test page.

Type g litigious bastards in the address bar to search for litigious bastards on Google.

I can do precisely that.

I can also do "imdb movie name" to search IMDB. And "e2 nodename" to read about stuff in Everything2.com. "aptget package" finds me some downloads from apt-get.org, "wayback URL" find me historical information, "d word" finds a dictionary.com definition...

...all this thanks to Mozilla Bookmark Keywords! Buy Today! Also Available in Mozilla Firebird!

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Why go to all that trouble? are you that addicted to IE?

Take the plunge, admit you are an IE junky and get help call your nearest chapter of IE anonymous and take that first step to freedom and independence!

" Hi My name is bns and I'm a IE-holic"

There - I'll bet you feel better already.

Also if you can also educate others into non-IE browsers that will help marketshare and make more sites develop to the standards and not to MS only HTML/JS. Although to be honest I know of very few IE only sites, and I never need to use them anyway, YMMV.

Also if you can also educate others into non-IE browsers that will help marketshare and make more sites develop to the standards and not to MS only HTML/JS. Although to be honest I know of very few IE only sites, and I never need to use them anyway, YMMV.

What is the best browser for MS platform?? Mozilla, Opera,?? Let a brother know.

Mozilla Firebird is a lean, mean browsing machine. Highly recommended. Remember not to click the link if you're in IE!

Firebird will be, but until then, vanilla Mozilla I'd say.

Firebird seems lacking in a few things for now.

Firebird is definitely the best.

I haven't had (spy|ad)ware for years either. My solution is a bit more comprehensive than a browser, however. ;)

Yes, spyware won't do anything if it can't get root access. If everyone used safe software, or if Microsoft improved iexplore, there would be nothing to worry about.

I would assume that the security would have improved at least a little until the Longhorn release. When is that, by the way? No I did not read the article, or the newspost very carefully.

And maybe, for some reason, people would not surf the dangerous web using the administrator account? It's not a Good Thing to do, it is more like a DANGEROUS kernel feature. You don't know if it will do anything, but when it does... it's too late.

If only you used Firebird with the downloadable Preferences bar to surf with images disabled. It helps when you incidentally stumble into some questionable material at work or anywhere else. You can RealDoll all day and just see blocks in place of images. That is, until your sysadmin starts checking access logs.

Okay, that's it for me. After years of using MSIE, I am downloading the Mozilla installer as I type this, and hopefully will be disabling IE this evening. Enough is enough.

For example, when I find someone is prone to visiting lots of websites with "fun stuff" to download and play with (such as card-making programs and other crap like that) I find oodles of spyware and adware on their computer bogging it down. I explain to them that the sites they visit and the software they're downloading in installing this junk on their computer and that's why it's slow. Refraining from downloading these things will help prevent this in the future.

Additionally I give them:

• Spybot Search & Destroy
• Mozilla Firebird

Finally, for the worst offenders, after giving them tips (writing them down even) and explaining it over and over again, I limit them to 5 - 10 fixes. After that, they cannot ask me for help unless it's a completely different problem (if I find it's the same old same old, I leave and tell them to fix it).

You can be nice, but you don't have to be a pushover. Developing a methodology for helping others simplifies the process and helps alleviate the frustration on a case-by-case basis.

As much as we all hate cliches sometimes they apply: Give a man a fish and he is not hungry for a day; teach a man to fish and he is not hungry for a lifetime

...or the other less well known proverb: Give a man a blanket and he is warm for a night; set him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. :-)

This is just another opportunity to check and make sure. If you are still using IE, switch to Firebird. Now. If you don't see the obvious benefit, something is wrong with you. If anyone who still insists on using IE reads this post, please tell me why you wont switch. I really want to see what people are thinking who are still using IE. There is really no excuse anymore in my eyes.

Really, I'm genuinely interested in reasons IE users are still using IE. I just can't comprehend what you're thinking.

This is just another opportunity to check and make sure. If you are still using IE, switch to Firebird. Now. If you don't see the obvious benefit, something is wrong with you. If anyone who still insists on using IE reads this post, please tell me why you wont switch. I really want to see what people are thinking who are still using IE. There is really no excuse anymore in my eyes.

Really, I'm genuinely interested in reasons IE users are still using IE. I just can't comprehend what you're thinking.

When I've got 70 MB on the partition that has Windows, and plenty of space elsewhere, I should be able to patch, right? Just install IE on another partition. Turns out IE wants to install only on _that_ partition. As a result, I'm stuck with IE 4.

here is a better patch for Internet Explorer

Seriously though, you are hardly stuck with IE.

What else is new? Why do people insist on using Internet Explorer when there are better alternatives elsewhere?

for every person who constantly bitches about "pop-ups" or something messing up my computer related to IE. I'd retire. All I say is go to mozilla.org and leave me the hell alone.

I guess being a computer professional is like being a doctor. Everyone asks you anything related to your field regardless of the situation (ie, dinner, getting dental work done, ...). I try to explain I'm a $100/hour (yes, outsourcing is my fault) contract software engineer. If you want me to reinstall your OS, Drivers, Applications and backup your data that will be about 6-8 hours (assuming they have any legit install disks) and roughly $600 to $800 total. They usually quit calling after that.

It's like calling a mechanical engineer to change your fucking tire. Figure it out, it isn't that hard.

Mozilla

Pass it along...

new bug open,

RFE: supports of MusicXML
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232381

yeah, I was going to post something about MathML when I read your comment, MathML is great, I use it for my math stuff, along with TeX, TeX is for those poor souls who are still stuck with a browser that doesn't support MathML *cough* IE *cough*
Mozilla supports MathML pretty good, and the fact that only geeks would be interested in math docs, and they usually use Mozilla, this fact made me use it along with TeX.

...or unless you have Firebird's free Adblock extension.

TiVo
"TiVo's upcoming premium service package will use Rendezvous technology to automatically discover Macintosh computers within the home network and determine which services they provide, allowing customers to listen to their shared music or view their shared photos on their TV," said Jim Barton, Co-founder and CTO for TiVo. "We are excited about working with Apple on other ways Rendezvous can help TiVo Series2 DVRs connect to a Mac to deliver future services." (see this page)

I'm getting a message similar to the one you get from Bugzilla if you click the link from Slashdot.

I've made tinyurls for them, this gets rid of the referrer tag. I don't know if this is for everyone, but I'm using Safari v80 on OS X 10.1.2. I know TinyURL is usually used by those filthy trolls, but I think this is a good use for it. :-)

First Link
Second Link
Third Link

Or this if you don't want to spend over a thousand to switch your hardware in order to meet said systems hardware requirements. :-P

But the problem is your solutions also requires one of these upgrades.

I would rather recomend this upgrade.

Or if you have a dislike for linux even just this upgrade helps much.

;)

But the problem is your solutions also requires one of these upgrades.

I would rather recomend this upgrade.

Or if you have a dislike for linux even just this upgrade helps much.

;)

And for those of us too cheap to buy a new browser, Mozilla or Firebird will have to do.

"The scammers then use the already documented bug in IE that allows a site in Pakistan to get 'www.fdic.gov' to appear in the URL bar. Where's an MS patch when we really need one?"

Right here.

live with it, Netscape 4 is dead & buried. USE MOZILLA

As an aside, Anybody know when Moz will officially be branched off into firebird/thunderbird components? I thought this was supposed to happen around 1.6 apparently I was wrong.

If there's any third party IP in there then relicencing becomes a complete nightmare. The codecs suffer from this fate.

You might recall a similar problem being faced with Mozilla. Stuff like the spell checker couldn't be opened and had to be left out of Mozilla and made available as a proprietary plugin by Netscape. With any luck over time the Open parts of the product will grow so as to render the closed parts into legacy. But that will take time. There is no magic wand that can change the past.

1) Are the 333MHz/2M CPU modules cheaper now? I'd love to swap out the 360MHz/256k CPU for a big-cache model?

2) What's the quickest/easiest way to get Mozilla running on Solaris 7? I've been stuck at Nutscrape 4.x, because of some horrid maze of library dependences that I've never been able to figure out. And Solaris 7 because a legacy app I need to use at work never got ported to 8. (Yes, the box is behind a firewall. :)

It shouldn't be difficult for those of us with open source browsers to find tools to block these things.

Funny you should mention that---I just checked over at MSN, pottered about randomly for a few minutes, and saw nothing like the commercials being discussed here.

Could it have something to do with me running the Junkbuster proxy, and surfing with Mozilla configured to disable Java and Javascript? :-)

If they can't get their ideas across without that stuff, they don't really want to talk to me.

The install went like a breeze. I really liked it compared to the Mandrake install because it asked for all the usual information (ip address/dhcp, root pass, users and passwords etc etc) up front rather than after the install process.

My impression of the desktop was rapidly lowered when it booted up into KDE after the install. I'm a major KDE fan, so why the default browser was Mozilla rather than Konqueror?

And it was the full Mozilla, rather than the nippy, lightweight Firebird

But I digress here - i think Xandros made a strategic error here. Konqueror is tightly integrated into KDE - that's the whole point of KDE - make it easy , make it integrated. Ok, this sounds like Micro$oft, but the strategy is clearly aimed at Grandma/Joe Six pack end user.

Why lump them with Moz , when even Moz themselves say that the Moz browser is too bloaty?

I couldn't find Kmail either - i had to use the Moz emailer (urggh), and loading times on my test 700 mhz , 128mb box were appalling - about 5 seconds to load the Moz browser.
My honest advice to Xandros is - dump Moz, keep OpenOffice, and make Konqueror/Kmail the default browser & email system.
And yes folks - i know how to change this on Xandros to my own preferences, but that's not the point - we're talking about Joe Six Pack end user here. The distro initial decisions ARE important. Incredibly important.

But on that negative note, i must leave with a very positive note - the install process is best i've ever seen in distro so far. It's awesome - and highly professional and well presented. It's a new benchmark that other distro's should follow. (well, i haven't tried out Mepis yet - or texstar's PCLinuxOS...)

Another reason to keep supporting and using Mozilla. Maybe even toss some cash at the Mozilla Foundation. Pop up blocking has been a feature of Mozilla for like three years or so. Microsoft is just getting around to this now but, only for XP. I'm confident that what ever crap doubleshit puts out, Mozilla will have an answer to it with day or weeks to block it.

The nice part is that it's not even a plugin. It's just a user chrome hack. Talk about nonintrusive!

Unfortunately, it currently requires contact with a web server (local or remote) because of this Mozilla bug. However, I'm hopeful that will get fixed at some point.

Half a year ago, I would have agreed, but now with Mozilla removing features while Konqueror is adding SVG (in the default build, not in some seperate project), Konq is overtaking Mozilla about now.

I'd still say Mozilla has the better rendering engine, but Konqueror has better integration (an example is the file selector, another is being able to open all files in a useful manner, from .pdf to .doc), more features and SVG (it's a real shame that Mozilla let their pretty good SVG implementation rot away as a seperate project).

Right now, I'd say both are about equal, but Konqueror moving much faster and will soon be ahead of Mozilla, I think.

For that matter, many Javascript-supporting browsers allow Javascript to be disabled.

Even better, some let you disable just those features of JavaScript that tend to be abused. Of the five options Mozilla 1.6 gives you to allow scripts to do, only "change images" is checked. Under about:config, all of the dom.disable_window_* features are set to true. If there were an option to keep scripts from hijacking the right mouse button, Mozilla would be perfect.

Who couldn't ever run another browser like Mozilla or Opera or MyIE2 because NONE of those come in Windows versions... Oh, wait, they ALL com in Windows versions (and MyIE2 is Windows only). Windows is at no disadvantage at all in terms of having popup blocking available. The included browser just does not have it. I've been happily using MyIE2 for quite some time and dealt with no popups as a result.

Golly, I'm glad Microsoft is all over this one, because God knows nobody else would ever have thought to do it.