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If you want tab name shortening in Mozilla, then please take the time to vote for and indicate support for it here in bug 126611.

Currently this enhancement is marked as WONTFIX, which is the wrong decision IMO.

Mozilla already follows IE's behavior when rendering pages that don't declare HTML 4.01 standards compliance, to a very high degree.

Can you actually point to any web pages that don't work properly in Mozilla/NS7? And do they not work because the pages use a feature in IE that Mozilla/NS7 doesn't have, or because the pages have a bug in them that (some versions of) IE don't choke on? Or do they simply refuse to even bother trying to display anything on a non-IE browser?

Honestly, what on the web is broken these days with Mozilla/NS7? Because I just don't run into these pages.

I posted the e-mail I sent to capital one, to the mozilla bug in question. Indeed, I did cancel my Capital One card -- I found a much, much better fixed rate somewhere else, anyway. I encourage you, and others, to do the same.

In case bugzilla gobbles up the slashdot link, cut and paste from here:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id =89853# c16 ..oh yeah, and remove the spaces in the URL that slashdot adds.

Take a look at the Mozilla Calendar.

There's no anti-javascript popup ads support. I'm sticking with Mozilla.

1. Add "startx" to the user's .profile, or go the xinit route. For more info on the latter, go a-googlin'.

2. According to the outdated command-line doc on mozilla.org, height and width are determined by "-height" and "-width". Or just use a window manager that can remember the settings and start that before Mozilla.

Have they figured out what makes "Gecko" suck?

Thanks,
-The English Troll

Mozilla lacks something very important: It doesn't work smoothly with KMail which is my mail program of choice right now.

Mozilla really needs to integrate well with other applications. Most importantly, it really needs a way to launch an application when users click on a mailto-link. This is bug 11459.

Also quite important is that you can launch Mozilla and have it open a new tab (not window) from other applications. This is Bug 104204.

I would encourage everybody to join in to get this working! :-)

Mozilla lacks something very important: It doesn't work smoothly with KMail which is my mail program of choice right now.

Mozilla really needs to integrate well with other applications. Most importantly, it really needs a way to launch an application when users click on a mailto-link. This is bug 11459.

Also quite important is that you can launch Mozilla and have it open a new tab (not window) from other applications. This is Bug 104204.

I would encourage everybody to join in to get this working! :-)

NTLM authentication has been pushed back to 1.2alpha


http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23679

Of course, the bug has been open since Jan 11, 2000. Nobody ever seems to get it finished, and I wont be surprised if it still doesn't make it into even the final 1.2 :(

Go vote for it, we're up to 84 votes!

Take a look at bug 140050. The same type of behavior has been seen on Xterminals logged into Solaris machines. Nothing seems to be happening on that bug, but maybe if it was known that it occurs on more platforms, somebody would take a look at the problem.

What's new.

Yes, you can definately upgrade to 1.1 from 1.0.

The Customizing mozilla page is also very useful. You can change nearly everything from there.

Customizing Mozilla

I'm pretty happy with Mozilla 1.0; is there any reason I should bother putting 1.1, besides helping out in the never-ending search for bugs? I don't believe the only bug that annoys me has been fixed yet, anyone have any other compelling reason to upgrade?

See Mozilla keyboard navigation. See also Mozilla bug #103796 (no direct linking to bugzilla.) Basically only windows had standard shortcuts for stuff like that and it happened to be CTRL+Page Up/Down and the moz dev team decided to copy it. CTRL+TAB was decided to be used to navigate between frames. However, for me changing between different tabs is more important action than changing between different frames with keyboard. What's the simplest way to swap those shortcuts? Can I add something to user.js or is it something harder? Usually I use mouse gestures for the tab switching...

See Mozilla keyboard navigation. See also Mozilla bug #103796 (no direct linking to bugzilla.) Basically only windows had standard shortcuts for stuff like that and it happened to be CTRL+Page Up/Down and the moz dev team decided to copy it. CTRL+TAB was decided to be used to navigate between frames. However, for me changing between different tabs is more important action than changing between different frames with keyboard. What's the simplest way to swap those shortcuts? Can I add something to user.js or is it something harder? Usually I use mouse gestures for the tab switching...

I don't think it's ever been ctrl-tab. Maybe in multizilla - but not in mozilla. ctrl-tab has been used for switching the focus between frames/location bar since at least the 4.x days, and this is not going to change.

However, as you mentioned, everything is configurable. In this case, you need to create a file called userHTMLBindings.xml in the res/builtin/ directory and edit it according to the instructions found here.

Trademark violation bug From the bug description: The user agent string reported by the browser includes "Gecko" - doesn't additional term I.III. of the Netscape Public License prevent this usage?

I'm pretty sure they'll go on with a 1.1.x branch even after 1.2 is released as well.

They're also simultaneously working on a 1.0.1 branch. Mozilla 1.0.1 RC2 was released a time ago (while they were working on 1.1 as well), and is still the current 1.0.x build. Mozilla 1.1 does NOT succeed 1.0.1, as evident by the "RC 2" status. 1.0.x is simply a separate branch for stability, while 1.1, 1.2, etc is for new technology and features. I'm pretty sure they'll go on with a 1.1.x branch even after 1.2 is released as well.

In other words, it's not as simple as the Mozilla team moving from 0.9.x to 1.0 and proceeding to 1.1 and 1.2.

I just want to know what program they used to generate that funky milestone graph. Anyone know?

Try clicking "Get the Source" on the left side of the main Mozilla page, or follow this link.

i wish you could switch between tabs by keyboard shortcut!

One of the goals of Perl 6 is to make non-trivial projects possible. That's good. The way it's being done is bad. Perl was once a lightweight, extremely flexible language. Now it's become a huge ugly monster. People wanted OO, so a nasty hack was bolted on top to allow some semblance of it. Now this nasty hack is being expanded. Sure, the code's different, but the basic form is the same. Kludge upon kludge upon kludge; I'd much rather have a nice, clean, pure language (and not one with loads of irritating whitespace thank you very much).

The same goes for the syntax. All the switching between $, @ and % is really irritating (ask a newbie how to get at the length of the keys array of a hash inside a hash, for example), and the changes proposed for 6 are just making this worse -- it seems that Larry, in his infinite wisdom, wants to prefix every data type with a different hard-to-type character. Perl was only designed for the three data types, and adding more is a mess.

Perl 6 is a complete rewrite, but it keeps all the mess which has accumulated over the previous versions. This is not good. Sure, my const int $var = 27; may look neat (in the same way that, say, Pascal does), but $var isn't entirely constant, or entirely an integer, it's just a hack which makes it sort of behave like one. The whole thing is an exercise in pseudo-computer science masturbation with little real purpose except to please the managers who dislike the one thing that makes Perl special.

On a similar note is regexes. I'm an avid fan of regular expressions simply because a nondeterministic finite automata is far more flexible than linear code. However, Larry must have been smoking that cheap $2 crack when he wrote this. Does he want Perl 6 to be flex or something?

I won't be going on to use 6. It's a nice idea, but it's completely unnecessary. It won't make large projects any easier to manage (the language is still, at heart, an almighty hack -- an impressive one, but still a hack). It won't make OO any cleaner. It won't make development any faster. To put it bluntly, Perl scripts will still look less beautiful than our friend Mr Goatse. I'd prefer to use a language which has always been pure synthesis of science and engineering, not some half-baked imposter.

Perl 6 will be nice, but I'm guessing it will be the end of Perl. It can't do what it wants to do whilst still being based upon a nasty mess. There are now other options, which provide all of Perl's power and none of the mess. Sorry, but *BSD^H^H^H^H Perl is dying. Larry is buggering it up the ass without lubricants, just like Shoeboy is doing to Larry's daughter.

See recently-opened bug 163188 in Bugzilla. Eventually, this will be implemented, and when Mozilla is rolled out to AOLers - bingo!

Although I stubornly refuse to work with RedHat after another one of their famous progressive actions, I think this one is from a different nature.
Unfortunately, I just admit, John Doe wants a simular look and feel for all the machines he is working on. Just try to explain the concept of Window Managers, and the layered structure (OS/X/WM).
Most ppl work with a "computer" and start a browser and some office program, they really do not care what it is running (but the sysadmins do). With Mozilla and OpenOffice.org, GNU/Linux finally seems to have mature solutions for this (FS/OS). For the first time in years (ever since the demise of WP), a user has again a choice what software to use for his/her "productivity" tasks with these mature solutions.
The only confusing thing is the desktop which has so many looks and feels. Imagine a secretary, used to work with KDE, working on a replacement machine and needs to start Mozilla in windowmaker
We should not see this as an attack on KDE of Gnome, but as a move to a common interface, at least for the non expert users. For the rest of us, we will keep starting several X servers with multiple window managers and compiling and packaging them from CVS.
I guess it's a corporate geek reflex that we do not like meddling with our software, but is general and widespread use (albeit eclectic with the best of the best) not the best recognition?

Although I stubornly refuse to work with RedHat after another one of their famous progressive actions, I think this one is from a different nature.
Unfortunately, I just admit, John Doe wants a simular look and feel for all the machines he is working on. Just try to explain the concept of Window Managers, and the layered structure (OS/X/WM).
Most ppl work with a "computer" and start a browser and some office program, they really do not care what it is running (but the sysadmins do). With Mozilla and OpenOffice.org, GNU/Linux finally seems to have mature solutions for this (FS/OS). For the first time in years (ever since the demise of WP), a user has again a choice what software to use for his/her "productivity" tasks with these mature solutions.
The only confusing thing is the desktop which has so many looks and feels. Imagine a secretary, used to work with KDE, working on a replacement machine and needs to start Mozilla in windowmaker
We should not see this as an attack on KDE of Gnome, but as a move to a common interface, at least for the non expert users. For the rest of us, we will keep starting several X servers with multiple window managers and compiling and packaging them from CVS.
I guess it's a corporate geek reflex that we do not like meddling with our software, but is general and widespread use (albeit eclectic with the best of the best) not the best recognition?

Mozilla

The open source web browser , designed for standards-compliance, performance, and portability, whose development is coordinated by mozilla.org.

The Mozilla project started in March 1998 when Netscape Communications Corporation released the source code of Netscape Communicator . The now abandoned version based on that code is referred to as "Mozilla Classic". Since then, much has been rewritten, including the layout engine, the networking library, and the front-end.

mozilla.org was set up by Netscape in January 1998 to coordinate development and to provide a point of contact for interested people.

Although a lot of Mozilla code is under the original Netscape Public License, some parts of the code are under the Mozilla Public License or dual MPL/GPL.

"Mozilla" was the original project code name for Netscape Navigator and, according to some of the documentation, the correct pronunciation of "Netscape".

Home (http://www.mozilla.org/) .

[Derived from "Mosaic killer/Godzilla"?]

Notice the last line?

In researching the issue, I did find a Mozilla project to create a calendar server, but it's still in its infancy.

As indicated by this Mozilla status update, work on the CAP/Calender server has begun and a preliminary build is already available for OSX.

Coincidentally, I just ran across the Mozilla Calendar Project

OEone and Mozilla are working on an Open Source calendar server. Support it!

OEone and Mozilla are working on an Open Source calendar server. Support it!

Yeah, because Mozilla doesn't have any bugs, right? Oh, wait... there're 51 new bugs reported so far today [whoops... Bugzilla bans linking from Slashdot, lol... c&p into you address bar]!

I love Mozilla too, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. I use IE and Mozilla about equally.

You can view some screenshots on this page.

Rather than looking at that page, you could always install mozilla and try out the menu yourself.

Try here . Seems as if OEone is giving something. "The initial codebase is being donated by OEone Corporation and should be thought of only as a demonstration of what can be accomplished using XUL, JS, CSS and XPCOM"

Credit where credit's due. Marc Andreessen invented the tag. However, Microsoft, can lay claim to tag. (in a strange twist, now supported by Mozilla)

By the way, IE is the most DOM compliant browser (comparing it to NS, Mozilla, Opera, and Links). So don't spread the FUD.

Hmm for some strange reason, I get the feeling you don't actually do much DOM work. If you did, you would know that you're the one spreading FUD... or at least, talking out of your ass.

Netscape put out a comparison chart a while ago (M13 vs IE/PC 5.5r1 vs IE/MAC 5.0), which while old, still serves it's purpose in pointing out IE5's weaknesses (IE6 is much improved). ppk keeps has own W3C DOM compatibility chart.

Still, IMO Mozilla's DOM support outshines IE's. Does IE have their known DOM bugs online like Mozilla does? Mozilla's main weaknesses are some speed issues (improving a lot recently), and lack of ranging/selections in textareas, however, the DOM Inspector and JavaScript Debugger more than makes up for it.

The DOM Inspector alone will make you switch to Mozilla as your primary testing browser - it'll tell you the DOM properties, Box model, CSS rules, and computed styles of any element. If that doesn't get your eyes to light up, then you probably haven't ever had to do much "advanced web code multiple browsers."

Praise be the Lizard!

By the way, IE is the most DOM compliant browser (comparing it to NS, Mozilla, Opera, and Links). So don't spread the FUD.

Hmm for some strange reason, I get the feeling you don't actually do much DOM work. If you did, you would know that you're the one spreading FUD... or at least, talking out of your ass.

Netscape put out a comparison chart a while ago (M13 vs IE/PC 5.5r1 vs IE/MAC 5.0), which while old, still serves it's purpose in pointing out IE5's weaknesses (IE6 is much improved). ppk keeps has own W3C DOM compatibility chart.

Still, IMO Mozilla's DOM support outshines IE's. Does IE have their known DOM bugs online like Mozilla does? Mozilla's main weaknesses are some speed issues (improving a lot recently), and lack of ranging/selections in textareas, however, the DOM Inspector and JavaScript Debugger more than makes up for it.

The DOM Inspector alone will make you switch to Mozilla as your primary testing browser - it'll tell you the DOM properties, Box model, CSS rules, and computed styles of any element. If that doesn't get your eyes to light up, then you probably haven't ever had to do much "advanced web code multiple browsers."

Praise be the Lizard!

By the way, IE is the most DOM compliant browser (comparing it to NS, Mozilla, Opera, and Links). So don't spread the FUD.

Hmm for some strange reason, I get the feeling you don't actually do much DOM work. If you did, you would know that you're the one spreading FUD... or at least, talking out of your ass.

Netscape put out a comparison chart a while ago (M13 vs IE/PC 5.5r1 vs IE/MAC 5.0), which while old, still serves it's purpose in pointing out IE5's weaknesses (IE6 is much improved). ppk keeps has own W3C DOM compatibility chart.

Still, IMO Mozilla's DOM support outshines IE's. Does IE have their known DOM bugs online like Mozilla does? Mozilla's main weaknesses are some speed issues (improving a lot recently), and lack of ranging/selections in textareas, however, the DOM Inspector and JavaScript Debugger more than makes up for it.

The DOM Inspector alone will make you switch to Mozilla as your primary testing browser - it'll tell you the DOM properties, Box model, CSS rules, and computed styles of any element. If that doesn't get your eyes to light up, then you probably haven't ever had to do much "advanced web code multiple browsers."

Praise be the Lizard!

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137982

Mozilla has done this very thing; they're trying to switch to a triple MPL/GPL/LGPL license.

i presume that this may be read by non-techy people so I repeat what alot of peoplle know that read this page sorry about that but I am trying to convince charitys in the UK to use a cost effective solution and not go wasting their money on PC's and such I would much rather they employ a gardner or handy man to keep propertys in good condition than spend money on upgrading and just use the best solution

yes and you could do it with any modern OS (Microsoft Windows XP, Mac OS X.2 and yes linux )
the cost to a charity would be the decideing factor

I would use Debian debian or Redhat also look for a local Linux User Group (LUG) these people would donate their time and expertise I am sure (-:
find UK LUG's here

useing a linux based solution would mean that you may not have to buy any new machines as you could use any that you already have

in terms of presenting information (I presumne thats why you want them networked )

THE best solution is to make a website that as well as you can publish to the world through a website you can also setup Linux box as a kiosk so that you can view nothing else except what you want (just think of the web broser area in full screen ) have a look around www. I am sure they have a solution I just cant remember the link (anyone help out ?)

also remember that DSL or ISDN is a bill every month so you might want a private link to cut costs

also if you have a grant that you can only spend on network I would recomend getting a IR link between the buildings (I have a backup link for the fiber that is between two Uni buildings and no these are not like your IR link on your PC but about 1-2Mbps which is pretty good) I cant remember the people that make it anyone got any good recomendations for IR links ?

hope this helps please contact people in your LUG and when you have a solution up and running let slashdot know !

regards

John Jones

Well, the U.S. government does place restrictions on one's right to give software away (in the case of strong cryptography). Hence OpenBSD is based in Canada.

But do these U.S. export restrictions apply to free software? The current crypto export regulations (section 740.13(e)) seem to grant an export License Exception for publicly available source code and object code compiled from publicly available source code provided that the original publisher of such code notifies crypt@bis.doc.gov (cc: enc@ncsc.mil) of the code's public availability. (Notification seems not to be required for mirrors.)

Hence Mozilla is based in the United States, where the only restriction on exporting OSI Certified(tm) open source encryption software is that it not implement a system primarily designed to restrict the fair use of a copyrighted work.

After reading your post, I tried to find out if I could get this behavior with Mozilla (I don't want to switch!). It's not available as part of 1.0, but the 1.1 nightlies have it (not sure if it's in the official 1.1beta).

Go get the lastest nightly, open 'Mail and News', select View->Message Body As->Plain Text and no more annoying HTML. There's also a setting for 'Simple HTML', but I'm not sure what that is.

Mozilla rocks!

Just viewing the site launched endless popup ad windows some of which resized themselves to fill the whole screen, popped more windows when you closed the old ones, etc.

The lizard is your friend...I went there, didn't see any popups at all, and refused their cookies (from multiple servers).

This is just unacceptable. I cannot believe and refuse to accept that it could take 90 minutes to get a major security fix out for a browser. This is completely unacceptable.

Yes, there's no way that Konqueror can compete at that rate. The fix for IE was out even before the bug was reported. Everybody can download the fix for IE here.

So I guess it's safe. It's a good thing I didn't upgrade.

IIRC, Win95 was end-of-lifed a while back. Whatever holes remained in Win95 at that time will never be fixed.

(Then again, IE was never an integral part of Win95. You could presumably run Win95 & Mozilla (assuming Mozilla supports Win95...turns out that it does) and not run into these problems.)

The recipe above is the key (except that Slashdot messed with the long lines and stuff.

You can read about the security policies at the mozilla site.

This blows away Netscape and IE. I was attracted by the pop-up blocker, but what won me over was that it imports profiles, preferences, and bookmarks from IE and NS. Sweeeeeeeet, no manual conversion needed.

Take the plunge. It's painless.