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Statistically old people have the highest suicide rate. It's just a reasonable guess, lots of tourism... hidden underside of high suicides. Florida sounds like what he could be talking about, but they tend not to do it in dramatic ways that get a lot of attention. Usually they just stop taking their medicine and it's not entirely clear if it was intentional or not.

Checking here shows that no state has a suicide rate 3x the average and only Wyoming has just about 2x the average. Looking at the top 10 states, none of them seem strongly linked with tourism. They mostly look like rural places.

That's all statewide, he didn't specify state but rather his town... so a particular town could be 3x the average and not skew the stats for the whole state.

Checking HERE it turns out Las Vegas has the #1 suicide rate of all US towns. That actually matches the original poster's story better than a tropical retirement tourist trap type place. Las Vegas definitely wants to be thought of a a city of lights and glamour, not the place you're most likely to kill yourself after gambling away every cent you own.

Productive capacity (man-hours) is being used up... [and] could have built something else like improved roads, solar power stations, oil wells, etc.

1) So since we're not building rockets, where are those resultant improved roads / infrastructure? They've been needed since long before the 2007 Minneapolis Bridge Collapse.

By building the rockets (and then blowing them up) you've wasted that productive capacity.

2) Only if there is no payoff / ROI from building and using those rockets.

There was a similar scandal in Russia in 2006. They put huge posters with USS Missouri on Moscow streets on Army Day. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11524992/ns/world_news-europe/t/russias-red-army-day-blunder/

When they talked about "liners" they are talking about the material that is crushed by the magnetic fields. It's the "bullet casing" to the nuclear slug.

I suspect they're talking about something like this:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100128-coslog-hohlraum-466px-10a.jpg

In 2010 there was a 14% increase in the number of homes receiving a default notice between July and September. In that year one in every 45 homes received a foreclosure filing and the problem has become more widespread with the increasing rates of unemployment across the nation. Banks have become extremely aggressive without much patience for those who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments, and there are more families entering the foreclosure process sooner than ever. This year, 2011, banks are on track to repossess over 800,000 homes.

Primary source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44885991/ns/business-real_estate/#.UFcgmx_i3mg

It was Akio Toyoda himself was involved with the transaction.

As for who else knew of this deal, I'd suggest you look at the various newspaper articles that discussed the investment by Toyota into Tesla.

In fact the Governator himself was at the ground breaking with Mr. Toyoda and Elon Musk, as can be seen in the photo with this article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37358614/ns/business-us_business/t/tesla-toyota-give-jolt-nummi-plant/#.UFVoi1GaVRQ

I can't help it if you've been living under a rock, and neither could the GP poster.

Why would the military focus so heavily on solar power? I mean, the research is a very good thing, and will be a huge boon for satellites, and maybe electric vehicles as well, but for soldiers, they have a lot more options available.

The main thing which comes to mind is the backpack which converts motion into electricity, which happens to have a side-effect of altering one's stride into a more efficient motion as well:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9245155/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/backpack-generates-its-own-electricity/

This could be supplemented by a set of foot-pedals, so if the soldiers are stationary, they could assign one guy to generate the power they need... If they're stationary and not marching, I'd suppose the workout might even be welcome.

These options have the added advantage of working just as well in high latitudes, bad weather, and during sandstorms, and not requiring soldiers with other concerns to deal with panels hanging off their pack, and needing to be oriented to catch the sun.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49031630

In a profanity-laced tirade, Brown threatens in the video to strike back at Smith.

"So that's why Robert Smith's life is over," Brown said. "But when I say his life is over, I don't say I'm going to go kill him. But I am going to ruin his life and look into his (expletive) kids."

Brown then smiles before adding: "How do you like them apples?"

are you saying he shouldn't be arrested for that?

From this point on Mr. Brown is irrelevant. He's part of the system now.

Cue a hundred posts on how awful Islam is, even though this is just a pretext for more hatred for the Middle East and distraction from the way the elite classes are behaving at home. Cue a dozen people mourning about the loss of another spoilt diplomat who did the nasty government's bidding while hundreds of US soldiers continue to be engaged in unnecessary military activities and civilians continue to either be killed or to die from lack of resources.

Yes, Islam is silly.

Yes, it's just like all dogma in this respect, whether or not accompanied by a sky fairy.

Yes, Mohammed was just some strategically brilliant warmonger with an ego.

But don't allow yourself to be riled up like the desperate fools who are encouraged to violently protest just so their behaviour can be used against them.

You're certainly right about Libya. They all hate us there for invading and occupying the country. Wait a minute, I was momentarily confused. Actually, people of Benghazi, Libya have demonstrated against the terrorist attack on the consulated and in support of the US. If you paint Libya, Egypt, Iraq and Afghanistan with the same brush, you're making the same kind of logical mistakes as demonstrators that equate a low-budget video on YouTube with US foreign policy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/49031630

In a profanity-laced tirade, Brown threatens in the video to strike back at Smith.

"So that's why Robert Smith's life is over," Brown said. "But when I say his life is over, I don't say I'm going to go kill him. But I am going to ruin his life and look into his (expletive) kids."

Brown then smiles before adding: "How do you like them apples?"

are you saying he shouldn't be arrested for that?

pumped storage or pumped hydro.

The problem with this, at least in the USA, is that all the good places have already been built, and no more will be built anytime soon.

You can't have pumped storage without a reservoir, and if you want to build a new reservoir, you will interfere with the local wildlife: some squirrel or something will be inconvenienced. Then the hard-core environmentalists will be all over you with cease-and-desists.

Not only are we not building more pumped storage in the USA, but we are actively tearing out dams to put rivers into their natural state again. This may be a good thing but it does not bode well for building more pumped storage.

China is notorious for its poor environmental practices and there are so many ways to get red, from organic pollutants to heavy metal salts to industrial dyes and coloring agents. The "Golden Watercourse" has run golden for many thousands of years, the chance of a sudden color shift not the result of human intervention (read dumping) though possible is vanishingly remote.

A similar event along the Yangtze happened in February of 2008 when the river ran red and authorities found large amounts of Ammonium Nitrate and Metal Permanganates.

A large number of folks talk about the advantages for business and society of not having to tow strict environmental laws and regulations. The advantages for business are clear, society as a whole, not so much. China is a good place to look at what happens when people do as they please. The results are sometime ugly and other times full on disasters.

"The suspect's lawyer had argued the amulet and mask "were neither tangible nor material and, unlike for example electricity, had no economic value."
But the Netherlands' highest court said the virtual objects had an intrinsic value to the 13-year-old gamer because of "the time and energy he invested" in winning them while playing the game."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46207779/ns/technology_and_science-games/#.UEipPKTmrw6

What's the difference in the US? You can't get on a plane without ID. In Soviet Union, you could get on a plane, train, boat, whatever without ID. They just asked you for the ticket - imagine that! You only needed ID in case the police stopped you, and there were no police on planes.

Not carrying ID could get you a ticket. But then I've never known anyone that was asked for ID outside of a traffic stop (driver license, ID card).

And just today in Arizona a judge upheld Arizona's Show me your papers law. If you look foreign and are in Arizona, you better have your papers with you or you may find yourself sitting in jail until you can confirm that you're here legally.

Because a copy can be created from a photograph taken from a distance.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4134773/ns/us_news-environment/t/plate-glass-blamed-billion-bird-deaths-year/#.UDT4eBrxj9Q

We do not have to have plate glass sided skyscrapers. We could use a difference material, or mark the glass in some way.

I am actually not suggesting we do, merely pointing out that bird deaths due to wind farms are over blown when we don't care about these bird deaths. Nor does anyone seem to care about the song bird deaths caused by free roaming house cats.

It's the basic mental condition emperors or simular people (think 'the Steve Jobs Type') have.

And possibly Bill Gates.

You might have what is called Asperger's Syndrome.

I see it all the time in hack shops. Lots of cut/paste from other bodies of code, take presentations from other people and make them their own..

so why should it be any different with papers/homework and testing? A lot of districts and students are doing it and it's a national shame.

Why not just copy something from somebody else? It works right? Yeah this goes to bad moral judgement and an education system that has
itself cheated then why shouldn't the students?

Yes, it's disheartening but it's out there and it's very bad.

The issue is not companies that fucked up, it's companies that had large exposure to counterparties that fucked up. A large amount of the bailout money was used as collateral to shore up the banks' creditworthiness. I'm not saying it was a good solution, and without knowing for sure which banks, and how many banks would have turned down the bailout money, it's hard to even form an opinion about it. It's generally believed that Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and State Street would have turned down the money if they could have. In fact, Goldman Sachs subsequently sought additional capital from Warren Buffet just to prove to investors that GS was a good investment (Although they offered Buffet terms that were far beyond what any other investor could have gotten). The link below references internal documents relating to this, can't be bothered to find the original documents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30750868/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/documents-paulson-forced-banks-bailout/#.UCr7RcWQNqA

That's simply not true. The best places to live are canada, australia or northern europe.

e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_most_livable_cities or http://money.msn.com/family-money/the-worlds-15-best-places-to-live/ etc.

Strange, they missed Melbourne off that list. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-14/melbourne-remains-worlds-most-liveable-city/4198294

You obviously weren't living the same life as the majority of Americans during Reagan's administration. Even left leaning CNN and MSN give Reagan some credit here.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/06/news/economy/obama_reagan_recovery/index.htm
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/276826/obama-vs-reagan-deroy-murdock
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904875404576530412322260784.html
http://money.msn.com/investing/election-12-obama-vs-reagan-bloomberg.aspx

I think it has arisen now because the "plan A" Yucca Mountain in Nevada have been abandoned, states are suing the NRC over on-site waste storage and nuclear power plants are reaching maximum capacity in storing of waste. The solution the NRC has is for power plants to use above ground dry cask storage.

This is exactly what the GP claims it to be. A populist measure before the election campaigns start. Only difference being that it is happening at the Central Government level instead of being limited to a few state governments till now.

There have been numerous such pre-election promises and surprisingly they work. Few examples in the recent state election in south Indian states for freebies

"Taking the war of freebies to a new high, AIADMK manifesto for April 13 Assembly elections today promised 20 kg of free rice for ration-card holders, laptops for students from classes XI, free fans, mixers and grinders to all and mineral water to BPL families."

"free grinders to 35 kg free rice every month for 1.6 million poor families, free bus passes for senior citizens to free laptops for Dalit engineering students, increase in old age pension to new insurance scheme for fishermen"

how will the presence of caffeine in our oceans affect human health

Apparently quite positively:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-07-coffee-consumption-inversely-common-skin.html
What's more disturbing is the presence of all the other chemicals - antibiotics, illegal drugs, mood stabilizers and sex hormones.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48530369/ns/technology_and_science-security/

....oops.

Star Trek? If you check your star dates you'll see that both Apple and Samsung predate the PADDs. Finding a writer that had been to the future from 1967 doesn't change that.

And in other news, the Koreans have tried to appeal their badminton players having been kicked out of the Olympics for cheating (alone with others, deliberately playing very badly to get easier opponents later). Their appeal was denied.

In some regions using the work of others has been so routine that they even have children doing it. It's an adjustment for them to treat it as unacceptable.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26182056/ns/beijing_olympics-beijing_olympics_news/t/chinese-defend-olympic-ceremony-lip-synch/

You must be the first geek to throw away a lumia that was actually given to you!

Hahahahaha (classic). BMO's living proof of this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26044935/ns/health-mental_health/t/shock-therapy-makes-quiet-comeback/ but Biggest Mentalcase Online isn't quiet about it at all! Heck, I've heard to save money on sessions, "BMO" sticks his nose into a 220 line at home to do it himself (lmao). It's not working out TOO WELL as you all can see, but he's trying!

We probably don't have to worry about his however the in-service upgrades and retrofits required to bring a 40 year plant up to modern standards are very likely to require shutting down and de-fueling the reactor, x-raying every possible weld, replacing all of the controls, inspecting and/or replacing thousands of valves, switches, solenoids, etc., some of which are inaccessible. The costs of such a retrofit program is likely to exceed the cost of building a new reactor.

You're talking about how things should be, here's how things are:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43475479/ns/us_news-environment/t/radioactive-tritium-leaks-found-us-nuke-sites/

Radioactive tritium has leaked from three-quarters [48 of 65] of U.S. commercial nuclear power sites, often into groundwater from corroded, buried piping, an Associated Press investigation shows.

The number and severity of the leaks has been escalating, even as federal regulators extend the licenses of more and more reactors across the nation.

And if you RTFA, you'll notice that instead of bringing plants up to "modern standards," the NRC just keeps loosening the safety standards so these run down nuclear plants will pass inspection.

[1]: Safer because it doesn't conjure up the radioactive boogyman, even though some statistics say coal plants toss up more radioactive crap in the air on an annual basis than nuclear reactors even use.

According to a study done by under the Bush administrator, coal power plants kill 24,000 a year, including 2,800 lung cancer deaths, in the US alone.

A more recent source "only" blames coal for 13,000 deaths a year in the US.

We would be outraged if normally functioning nuclear power plants caused even a tenth of that death toll in the US each year. Why do we tolerate non-nuclear power plants that kill literally thousands each year?

Really? When was the last time a random crazy killed more than 5 people with something other than a gun?

6th victim, driver in Dutch parade attack die

Depends who has seen you and what they want.
http://www.gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/technology/gadgetbox/look-whos-stalking-10-creepiest-apps-658042
It also depends on they term "anybody" and "arbitrarily".
Get photographed near a protest - inner city financial district, military base, upset an agent provocateur ...
A few years later you want a good job, fly to distant family - you where just passing, going to work that day - could come back to haunt you.
Many of the databases are one way. No low cost state lawyer or court can make it all better.

> The guy who blew up that bus full of Israeli's yesterday in Burgas, was apparently a former Gitmo [rt.com] resident, who was sent back to Sweden.

No, he was not.

It's so much fun spending other peoples money, isn't it?

We are 15 TRILLION dollars in debt yet they keep spending like drunken leftists. Why worry, they can print all the money they want.

And these teachers go on to brainwash the young to be good little socialists such that they vote for more and more big government spending.

We are truly in deep shit if we do not trow these tyrants out of power in November.

Vote Romney for president and conservative in all other offices on your ballot.

Wake up drones!

Yes, the whole program could fund another four days of the US presence in Iraq

I read a number of newspapers and Internet news sites, and this is the first I've heard of it,

MSNBC: http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/cyborg-steve-mann-details-alleged-mcdonalds-assault-889595

Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/07/17/cyborg-discrimination-scientist-says-mcdonalds-staff-tried-to-pull-off-his-google-glass-like-eyepiece-then-threw-him-out/

The Huff: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/steve-mann-attacked-paris-mcdonalds-digital-eye-glass-photos_n_1680263.html

NYT Daily: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/cyborg-professor-claims-assault-paris-mcdonald-digital-glasses-article-1.1116246

Canadian news: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/07/17/tech-mann-digital-eye-glass-assault.html and a few others.

Plus El Reg, CNET, Network World, and the usual tech news sites. And the story is the second top google-news results for "McDonald's".

It's also the second article on Slashdot itself about the incident. http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/17/0335227/man-physically-assaulted-at-mcdonalds-for-wearing-digital-eye-glasses

For what it's worth, the story is hitting Bing's "Popular Now". So anyone curious why "Human cyborg" is trending is getting to see Cyborg Steve Mann details alleged McDonald's assault as the top story.

In addition to the other poster's link, here's another about the marijuana forests

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15239501/ns/world_news-weird_news/t/taliban-takes-high-cover/#.UAbTZv3HhvI

Exactly. The big corps these days talk about "brand recognition" and "proper brand alignment" and even employ *shudder* Chief Brand Officers. They put The Brand and The Image first now; we have to remind them that the best way to build a strong brand and a sterling image is not being an asshole.

Which is why in this day and age of social media, online presences, and viral marketing it is all the more important to take a nice nutty stinky shit on the Sony brand every single opportunity you get everywhere . Never relent. Let it just become an automated response.

To the inevitable question, NO. There is no 2nd (more like 64th) chance for Sony. No parole, no pardon, no quarter. Just death.

Death to Sony.

The American MacDonalds has stated they're looking into the matter:
https://twitter.com/McDonaldsCorp/status/225074195590156290
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/cyborg-steve-mann-details-alleged-mcdonalds-assault-889595

U.S. TSA personnel will be stationed at British airports during the Summer Olympic Games, according to SkyNews. Authorities are scrambling to shore up security before the games open in 11 days. Organizers are already under withering criticism after G4S, the private contractor coordinating security preparations, said last week that it can't supply enough security. Now, TSA seems to be augmenting a beleaguered UK Border Agency. The US agents would begin arriving at Heathrow and other major UK airports next week. The agents will not be allowed beyond boarding gates or onto British aircraft.

Exactly. The big corps these days talk about "brand recognition" and "proper brand alignment" and even employ *shudder* Chief Brand Officers. They put The Brand and The Image first now; we have to remind them that the best way to build a strong brand and a sterling image is not being an asshole.

Or it could be that they thought that a "proper" news organization like MSNBC shouldn't be so buddy buddy with the left, that they even report on their own website how skewed they are:

Msnbc.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

Never mind that their prime time news personality (Chris Matthews) used to be Chief of Staff for the Democratic Speaker of the House during the Reagan years - yep, that engenders political objectivity...

The prime example of an industry that really does need such protection is pharmaceuticals

This is not the example I would have chosen, considering the way Big Pharma has tried to use its patents to prevent third world countries from giving their populations live-saving medications at affordable prices:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18490388/ns/health-aids/t/brazil-break-merck-aids-drug-patent/

Yet, what is the loudest protest we hear? "The rich are too rich!" Such has always been, and always shall be, the case.

OK, so let's check some boundary conditions with you.

1. Would you approve if one man legally owned all the land available on the planet?

If the answer to that is "yes," then I give up. You and I will never find agreement.

2. How about two men, each legally owning half the planet?

Again, if that thought doesn't also send a chill down your spine, then we're not going to find agreement.

If you can answer "no" to those two questions, then we're getting somewhere. You and I can agree there should be legal limits placed on the amount of land one man should be allowed to own. Better yet, land ownership, like water rights, radio spectrum or IPv4 ownership, is exactly a "zero-sum" game. Land you have is land I don't and vice versa. Our libertarian friends love to argue that wealth is not a zero-sum game. I think the flaw in their argument is that wealth -- ultimately -- comes from mining and agriculture, both of which depend on the zero-sum equation of land ownership. "Intellectual Property and Services" are only as valuable as the actual goods they can buy. Come talk to me when you can eat a song or seek shelter under the binary digits of a software program.

OK, so if we can place limits on how much of the water or radio spectrum anyone is allowed to own, then we can take those exact arguments and apply them to land ownership. Land is a limited commodity which must be apportioned to meet the public good. This is in fact the entire reasoning behind seizure under eminent domain, so we're still within "black letter" law.

If we're comfortable saying that "No one should own all of the land in the United States," or even "No one should own all of the land within any state in the union," then let's talk acreage. What would be a reasonable limit to put on the acreage one man can own?

Well, your local realtor will tell you that a "large" lot for a single family dwelling is a quarter acre. Forty acres is the traditional size of a farm considered workable by one man. The Oklahoma land rush handed out 160 acre parcels to let the cows roam. Give a man a tractor, and he might farm a couple of hundred acres. Give that man nineteen children, each with their own tractor, and now we have twenty times two hundred acres, or four thousand acres, 6.25 square miles.

Let's triple that to 12,000 acres, or 18.75 miles. Distance to the horizon is roughly three miles, so to be "the master of all you survey," you need pi*r^2, so pi*9 or let's just call it 28 square miles, roughly 18,000 acres.

Now, one family alone can't possibly work that amount of land, and you'd be very hard pressed to even cover it all in one day on an ATV, but you can absolutely turn to your trophy wife and declaim "I am the master of all I survey," so there is that I suppose. Let's round it up. 20,000 acres. It's an absurd number, but surely we can agree that 20,000 acres would be a reasonable upper boundary on land ownership.

Let's go from the absurd to the entirely insane and multiply that number by five. 100,000 acres. That's approaching half the size of Mount Rainier National Park at 230,000 acres. Can we agree that since land is a limited, finite resource like the radio spectrum and IPv4 ownership, and is exactly a zero-sum game, can we agree that 100,000 acres in one man's hand is sufficient?

Ted Turner owns Six. Hundred. Thousand. acres of contiguous land in Colorado. 600,000 acres, almost three times the size of Mount Rainier national park. His entire holdings top . Billionaire Archie Emmerson owns 1.9 million acres.

OK, so now I hear the Libertarians snort "So what, how does that affect you?" Well, it affects me because I've been trying to find five to ten acres of arable, contiguous land to farm to feed my family.

You are right I suppose - if they could get it to do more than just simple letter signs (which are slower than typing). And if they could get it to translate sign to English. And if you could still use your hands while wearing the gloves.

But I gotta tellya, when stuff like this is happening, the uses for something that depends on exaggerated hand motions seems to diminish :)

TB was pretty much a solved problem in the 1st world. Then we decided we couldn't force people into quarantine to ensure they got proper treatment and to prevent the spread of such a readily transmissible disease.

Because we have a vaccine.

Today we generally don't forcibly quarantine people even though we aren't vaccinating because it's only contagious for a few weeks after treatment has started, and it's easy enough for people with TB to isolate themselves and or wear a mask. Also the disease is not life threatening and it's treatable.

There are exceptions, and quarantine does happen in those cases

Best I can tell from what passes as thought in the politically correct set, diseases got rights or something. Or people got the right to not get treated and to pass on the crap they catch. I really can't decipher it.

Maybe then you should avoid jumping to the dumbest possible conclusion before doing the slightest bit of research. Actually, given your track record here, maybe you should just avoid making conclusions period.

But don't worry, this is all the evil Republican's fault. ObamaCare^WTax will fix all these problems.

Something tells me you'd be opposed to the government spending money to start vaccinating people against tuberculosis again. So I'm guessing how you'd deal with this outbreak would be to implement the usual republican healthcare plan: "Don't get sick, and if you do, die quickly."

Giant African snails and man-eating alligators?

No offense, as I'm sure you love your Mini, but nobody is going to spend 3 minutes trying to steal it. There just isn't enough payout for the effort and risk. A real BMW, however, would be well worth it.

Your comment is either terribly ignorant or designed to cause offense, because the Honda Civic is the most stolen car (and the Accord is #2, down one spot from the last time I looked.) If it's worth stealing a Civic, it's worth stealing a Mini.

Aren't people working on indoor GPS via triangulation of wifi points, mobile points, etc? I thought I read up on something about that the other day similar to http://www.gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/technology/gadgetbox/get-ready-indoor-gps-tracks-your-every-step-735448 . Not sure if that's an alternate to your question or not.

A report on msnbc stated: NBC's Pete Williams reported that Roberts reasoned that “there’s no real compulsion here” since those who do not pay the penalty for not having insurance can’t be sent to jail.

I do not understand this statement because currently if I do not pay my taxes then I will go to jail for tax evasion (maybe not immediately, but eventually). Is there some special provision that specifically states that failure to pay the penalty (tax, whatever) cannot be enforced through incarceration? If so, what enforcement measures are allowed: liens, wage garnishment, something else? Are those not means of compulsion? If there are no enforcement measures, then what are the motivations for paying the penalty at all? I do not like the concept that the government can pass almost anything as long as the penalty for non-compliance is not jail time. I'm hoping that the Williams' statement was just a poorly worded extrapolation of Roberts' argument.