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Lolwut. The minimum wage has remained so low for so long that people who work on it full time - or more - can qualify for state benefits. State benefits that cost taxpayer money. The math here isn't hard or disputable, though I guess it fits with your wanting other people to eat raw potatoes under a bridge to survive on making a few bucks a week if there's no minimum wage at all.. Never yourselves, just others. So denial kicks in that your tax dollars are subsidizing Walmart's quarterly profits.

it's only because the GOP has been actively sabotaging the government that this is a problem. This entire shutdown mess is entirely a creation of the GOP.

And I see what you did there with your anecdote where you tell a story with the most obnoxious person anyone can imagine (Big SUV, detailing, of course a Lady because there's a meme for that). Let that rub off on anyone who complains about the shutdown.

I mean, if we're gonna talk about obnoxious folks in the shutdown there's this gem. But there's also a lot of folks trying to figure out how to afford gas. Real Wages are down yet like the article says the GOP base is thrilled. Meanwhile it's not free to go to work. That "hurting the people he's supposed to hurt" lady (meme intended) has a 7 hour commute. Some folks need money for daycare too. Screw this noise.

or the stock market crashes and takes out your investments. Or your company outsources your job in your 50s and nobody'll hire you. Or any one of a dozen things out of your control happen.

But it's a good thing we didn't gut the social safety net and that nobody is doing anything that could impact your plans to retire.

I'm sure knowing all that is a real load off the old minderooni.

Just remember to keep them in the dark about all those health costs.

Well, now that we know the National Enquirer disguised a $100K+ campaign contribution as a purchase of rights to publish a Playboy bunny's story, how about the rest of their 'journalism' throughout the election.

The Rachel Maddow segment linked below lists a bunch of blatantly false cover stories that ran throughout the 2016 election season. Now, even if you hate Maddow, and think she's a 'left-wing version of Fox' (she isn't, but hey...), you can't argue with her interpretation of what was on the covers of these tabloids. Okay, so nobody actually believes tabloid covers, but still - they were published for a reason, and it would be hard to argue that that reason was anything other than to make Trump look good and Clinton look bad (even if it's just by boring the ugliest images they could find of her face deep into your subconscious). So, free speech, right? Well, there are certainly limits. So where would this fall? And does the truth or falsehood (and whether the speaker is aware of that falsehood) relevant?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma...

The timing and details around the Stormy payment makes it seem related to the election. That payment was about a month before the election (right after the "pussy grabbing" story broke). Her lawyer had mentioned a possible payment (she was going to go public with the story) to Cohen a month before that and was rebuffed.

Here's an article going over the timeline details.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma...

While I am not fond of Internet blocking, my understanding is that Venezuela must try to fend fierce psyops attacks from the CIA, that this is one of the tools available.

Remember when Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat? If the CIA does its job correctly, it must be trying to destroy Venezuela state since that time.

You do make an important observation, though: it is leftists that have been going around after WWII to make groundless accusations against others of being fascists and neo-Nazis. Every Republican president over the last couple of decades has been denounced as a "fascist", "Nazi", and/or "white supremacist" by the left. Every conservative commentator or intellectual has been denounced as such.

Actually, it's conservative commentators that have a problem with it. Perhaps not every single one, but enough, that you're just being a hypocrite and fraud, protesting your own crimes that you ascribe to others.

And then you one-up'd it: By going further.

Perhaps you can blame Democrats for it, you do tend to falsely accuse them of being responsible for everything you do.

The rewriting of history is strong with this one.

Your typical capitalist projection is noted.

The ills in Venezuela are NOT from direct US intervention or externally applied policies.

As is your gaslighting.

They clearly are from the implementation of socialism and government mismanagement of "the means of production" which always happens.

Mismanaged to the point their GDP tripped while lifting millions out of poverty. Like I said the first time.

So... The end state of socialism is communism. It's the logical destination.

Sounds like a communist saying it would be "logical" that as soon as you find capital investors for your landscaping business, you'll sexually harass your secretary, dump toxic waste in the river, defraud your investors, and order mob hits on your rivals. Of course, there probably has never been a communist that was that much of an idiot to suggest such "logic".

This form of government is responsible for a very large number of deaths and suppression of human rights world wide both in the past and in current events. You need to own that.

Riiiiiiight. Like you capitalists have owned up to slavery, genocide, and occupying other nations for over two centuries. Then there's the fact that all the socialist violence you'd like to whine was just a backlash to capitalist exploitation. You never would have had Castro without the brutal dictatorship of Batista. You never would have had the Soviet Union if it weren't for the Tsars.

Heads, socialism wins, tails, capitalism loses.

Story of Sanders campaign doing the same thing, or much worse depending on your point of view.

I'm not sure you can say no one raised a stink, but it was only in the news shortly and I think Sanders fired 1 guy. I don't think anything else came of it.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-...

I'm not making it up.

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-...

MSNBC finds this credible for whatever you take from that.

I didn't know this was a Facebook Anonymous meeting.

Good thing I posted AC

Oh, and while I'm here, everybody's talking about 'Russian' influence. What about the girlies, eh?

My team helps candidates, political parties, elected officials and governments around the globe use Facebook effectively to engage with people in those countries. The Politics and Government Outreach team has grown from three to seven in the last two years. We are globally focused and have worked extensively, for example, on elections in the UK this year, as well as the 2014 elections in India, Brazil, Indonesia and the U.S.

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the West behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind

First ambassador killed since 1979. And the President and Secretary of State immediately blamed a Youtube video and arrested the maker. Only to have to turn back later and admit it wasn't the video and that they had plenty of warning about the impending attack. Essentially the President lied about the cause of the death of a US Ambassador in an effort to cover up their willful ignoring of information about the impending attack which caused the death of the Ambassador.

It's like that schmuck in Australia who told the young uns the could afford a house in Sydney if only they'd give up avocado toast. It's nonsense the aristocracy tells it's workers to excuse stagnant and falling wages. Don't fall for it.

Or, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) who reportedly said in a November 29 interview:

“I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing,” Grassley said, “as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”

Or, another Republican congressman justified a vote on ACA repeal by saying Americans would be able to afford health security, without assistance, by giving up “getting that new iPhone.”

It's nice when rich people who had rich parents give us common folk advise on how to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps - you know, like they did. (I'm sure Trump would have turned out the same without that first $1M loan and subsequent $14M loan from his father.)

heck I don't know. probably just making it up.

https://www.politico.com/story...
https://thinkprogress.org/stev...

http://www.motherjones.com/pol...

https://www.npr.org/sections/t...

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/con...

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https://www.childtrends.org/in...

In 2015, more than 1 in 6 U.S. children (18 percent) lived in households that were food-insecure at some point during the year, and 0.7 percent experienced the most severe level of need, where food intake is reduced and regular eating patterns are disrupted.[1]

https://www.nokidhungry.org/si...

Child Hunger is a Health Problem
While every American is morally offended by the existence of childhood hunger, pediatricians and public health
professionals see the tragic effects of this unnecessary condition graphically imprinted on the bodies and minds
of children;
â Hungry children are sick more often, and more likely to have to be hospitalized (the costs
of which are passed along to the business community as insurance and tax burdens);
â Hungry children suffer growth impairment that precludes their reaching their full
physical potential,
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Cause I'm just crazy that way.

Much of this could be addressed for *PENNIES* on the dollar yet republicans have been targeting poor children for over a decade now (it really started under bush JR).

Because it takes effort to provide specific links, particularly that AC comments are normally ignored.

But since you are interested and I have a chance to reach you, I give you a couple of the non-controversial sources:
How inequality has changed under Obama
Obama admits 95% of gains go to top 1%

Here are a few more links that come up on Google which provide a fuller picture. Note that there are some outliers, so just make up your own mind who to trust.

If we don't, Democrats might have to face the possibility that Hillary Clinton lost because she was a horrible, corrupt human being and that the Democratic Party's ideas are deeply unpopular with the American public.

The first never stopped anyone from becoming President before(and certainly didn't stop Trump), and the second is untrue, since at last count, the American public voted for her more than Trump, and as a party, the Democrats are hardly unpopular, certainly not by any great margin compared to the GOP.

If they were, the GOP wouldn't need to engage in such gerrymandering and voter discrimination practices as they have been found guilty of committing numerous times.

Why cover the corruption trial of a sitting Democratic U.S. Senator when Trump's doorman's cousin might have talked to a Russian once?

Same reason you'll never talk about a Republican Governor resigning in disgrace when it's possible Hillary once saw somebody stealing a grape from CostCo and didn't report it.

No, by all means let's talk about RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! more, no matter how many anonymous leads turn out to be bunk, how many dead ends and retractions, no matter how many "smoking guns" that turn out to be neither smoking nor guns.

Actually, it's getting more and more substantial every day. And the more shrill your cries for ignoring it, the more likely it is a problem.

Unlike you know, Obama's birth certificate that you spent 8 years crying about from sea to shining sea.

Anything to avoid rethinking Democratic dogma and admit that Donald Trump will be President of the United States of America for the next 3+ years and there's absolutely nothing they can do about it.

What are you talking about? There are 435 members of the House, any one of whom could file for impeachment, there are dozens of state attorneys who could charge and arrest him, there are a number of people who could report him incompetent under the 25th Amendment, and of course, Trump could resign himself.

11 counties have more voters registered than people.

11? Man, that's terrible. Out of over 3000, there are 11, with registration greater than the number of people.

Heavens no. In our highly mobile society, people like Jared Kushner, Tiffany Trump, and Steve Bannon, can't keep their voter registration up to date! The horrors! And it's not even a crime!

LA alone is at 144% of people register vs actual population but they haven't cleaned the lists.

What are you talking about? The county says they have 4.3 million registered voters, and the Census says the County's population is over 10 million.

That's not tracking with your claims. Where do you get your numbers from?

This alone doesn't mean there was voter fraud but increases the chances there actually is significant amount of voter fraud in CA, but CA doesn't want anyone to check.

And Trump's voter commission chair has a history of lying and evasion.

Not only that, states have a history of failing in voter purges. And yes, that is evidence of illegality. Criminal behavior to suppress the vote.

Readers here may recall that Trump's budget director Mick Mulvaney published a budget that had a $2 Trillion dollar math error.

Republicans (think Paul Ryan) often (always?) produce budgets that contain all sorts of tax cuts for upper brackets and then a "magic asterisk" that gives no detail but says the shortfall will be made up by a) economic growth stimulated by the tax cuts and b) cost savings from cutting government waste.

So my take is the bad optics of all this finally bubbled up to Trump (I guess Fox News couldn't filter it out totally) and he gave the command to his minions to find trillions of dollars of "government waste and inefficiency" to save the budget. So they came up with this.

It doesn't have to make sense. All he wants to do is get headlines out there that proclaim Trump Saves Us Trillions and for most of his base and way too much of the swing voters that is all they will see. It is ideal for this media purpose. If the topic gets the slightest bit technical he can count on the talking airheads to gloss it over and he'd up with "opposing views on this story" in the worst case.

What that means: enough voters will think have this view: Trump and Republicans produced a budget that will save our economy and Democrats are Fighting It. . They don't have to be right. They just have to throw up enough chaff to confuse the voter and Republicans win the mid-terms again.

Mysteriously, they instead chose to gerrymander the state.

Lets say that you are right, the Republicans did gerrymander Michigan...how does that swing the election to Trump? The 'scheme' to split their electoral vote never went through.

Oh, you want to add another act of malfeasance to their list? Go ahead. Not only did they not properly supervise the election system you complained about, they tried to "fix" it in another way. Basically, you're just confirming that the party is a bunch of con artists.

Nice screed though, shame you can't stay focused on the ball.

Ah, somebody didn't quote a whole paragraph, then whines about it.

Let me remind you about the whole thing:

Hmm. Something odd about how the vote dropped precipitously in 2016. Perhaps you should explain that, instead of chasing a dubious phantom that is ENTIRELY the responsibility of the Republican state government. Because they could have improved the voting systems if they wanted, they could have managed any errors. Mysteriously, they instead chose to gerrymander [bridgemi.com] the state [michigandaily.com].

Really, kinda your own choice for your own attempted diversion of focus, but that you complaint about it? Makes you a hypocrite and a fraud.

No matter how you cut it, the GOP in Michigan could have done something to alleviate your purported concerns, the fact that they didn't, that they instead chose to gerrymander, or as you added, corrupt the system even worse, well, that's just compounding the mistakes.

But good on you, your hysteria makes you look just as dishonest as Trump himself.

Mysteriously, they instead chose to gerrymander the state.

Lets say that you are right, the Republicans did gerrymander Michigan...how does that swing the election to Trump? The 'scheme' to split their electoral vote never went through.

Nice screed though, shame you can't stay focused on the ball.

the kind that hand-picked Hilary over Sanders?

No one wants to seem to admit that they did this because she had a better shot at it than Bernie:
https://www.theguardian.com/co...
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ber...

The Democrats have always been comfortable with their minority block....if they picked Bernie, they probably would have been crushed in November.

Sanctuary cities do not exist and nobody on the Progressive left talks about the need for them. Right?

Actually, they don't exist, especially not in the form that the Regressive right insists on falsely portraying them. They're pretty much just a straw-man where the right makes up false claims about lawlessness and crime in order to whip up a frenzy of hysteria.

Instead, what they are, is municipalities deciding that the Federal Government needs to be accountable, and forced to behave in a manner compliant with the law, by a policy of adherence to the strictures of law informing them that the cities won't knuckle under to their capriciousness. Not new, but a lingering problem for a supposed agency enforcing the law.

Of course, I'm old enough to remember when Janet Reno was demonized for returning Elian Gonzalez to his father. The mishandling of policies on Cuba is bad enough, but apparently we're supposed to decide parental rights on a whim?

So it's hypocrisy too. Even ignoring the other protests against the federal goverment, the silence on the failures of the immigration system is very telling.

Oh, I guess you are just another AC who's full of shit. Brave enough to hide in anonymity while claiming that I am being watched, as if you are a threat.

You're confused again, there's no threat to being judged, you're merely being observed, and recognized, for what your public behavior happens to be. It's called responsibility. You should recognize that as a natural consequence of communication. You spea

So, you *do* want things.

I want the nation to continue to exist. Without military and police it will not exist, therefore, military and police are necessary. Moreover, there can not, unfortunately, be a competition among different groups of armed people, so they must be under a single command — this is why I'm willing to hold my nose and accept the government doing both.

Space exploration is not required for a nation to exist. Nor are social programs. If, heaven forfend, all of the six thousand homeless of San Francisco die tomorrow, the city will not be any worse off. Moreover, provision of these folks with food and shelter can be accomplished by competing charities. Therefore, it must not be done by the government. A clear cut rule, easy to apply and understand.

So if a commie socialist program reduces more crime per dollar spent than spending it on police, you'd be in favour of that? I suspect not.

Your suspicion is correct — because socialist programs do not reduce "more crime per dollar". Not at all. The total cost of crime in the US is about $200 bln/year. The annual cost of the "War on Poverty" meanwhile costs four times that — only a tiny fraction of that stemming from the above-mentioned military.

So, if we eliminate the "War on Poverty" altogether — thus saving about $750 billion/year — and the crime so much as doubles we'd still be saving about $350 bln a year. But, of course, it will not double — because it didn't half, under Lyndon Jonson, who saddled us with this burden — so the actual savings will be much greater.

No, help for the poor can not be justified by efficiency of crime-fighting — indeed, it never was the justification. The government's benevolent and omniscient saints — including the current President — have always appealed to the taxpayers' compassion and charity. Sentiments, that are not compatible with monies being confiscated at gun-point, which is how the taxes are collected.

but now it has no government so free market pixes

Thanks to its Socialist past, it has no law and order either — which are required for a free market to do its magic.

But, so long as we are giving each other relocation advice, maybe, it is you, who should consider moving? North Korea — the worker's paradise — provides its happy citizens with free everything and has a wonderful space-exploration program too. And the glorious Rays of Chuch'e shine on everyone!

While more people find Trump credible than the old-school media, it still less than half the people who find him credible.

They don't.

Sorry, but they don't.

The destruction of credibility of the old-school media was self-inflicted - Trump merely comments on the obvious fact

You mean Trump tries to distract us from the General Sherman stuck in his eye. When your best excuse for your lies is that you don't know what you're saying, you are in serious trouble.

Have you never been directly involved in something that was reported by a journalist?

Dude, one of the first things you learn, whether a police investigator, journalist, or divorce counselor, is that a dozen people can have twenty different stories about the same event.

How is it that a grown man who is such a tremendous dealmaker needs a full-time public relations team to translate his utterances into something vaguely like the truth?

Sounds like Joe Biden, doesn't it?

"The review of APHIS' website has been ongoing, and the agency is striving to balance the need for transparency with rules protecting individual privacy.
In 2016, well before the change of Administration, APHIS decided to make adjustments to the posting of regulatory records.
In addition, APHIS is currently involved in litigation concerning, among other issues, information posted on the agency's website.
While the agency is vigorously defending against this litigation, in an abundance of caution, the agency is taking additional measures to protect individual privacy.
These decisions are not final. Adjustments may be made regarding information appropriate for release and posting."

A blatant and stupid lie.
Trump administration forgets that people from the Obama administration are still alive and around.

Matt Herrick, director of Communications of USDA under Obama, tweeted this regarding the disappearing of animal abuse reports:

Decision by @usda 2 remove animal abuse reports not required.
Totally subjective. Same option given 2 past admin. We refused. #transparency

And it's not the first (and probably not the last) time that Trump administration, once caught doing something they shouldn't be doing, tries to blame it on Obama.
Like the Muslim ban, Yemen raid fiasco (BTW, that was "winning"), Trump's disastrous calls to Mexican and Australian heads of state... and now this.
More here.

You don't get it do you? Blue collar workers have been putting up with their jobs being outsourced since the 1990's under various trade agreements. The white collar workers would go on and on about how those people should have gotten jobs just like them, and be safe from outsourcing. Now it's happening to those white collar workers who were smugly looking down. This backlash is decades in the making, and in some cases it's even worse on particular parts(especially racially) of the US then others. Hell, it's the same here in Canada. There are places that still haven't recovered from NAFTA, and that's in my own backyard.

These companies can stomp their feet all they want, and they can pump out the polls saying "look at all these people saying how much they hate Trump." But in 90% of the cases people fear a backlash against themselves and will lie about their actual answer for fear of being attacked. Either socially, or politically. That's one of the main reasons the polls were so wildly out-of-whack compared to the actual election. Even democrats are finally starting to get it. On top of that, it would have to take something massive and I mean truly massive at this point to stem the losses that Democrats have taken in the last decade. You know, like full-on-depression levels of economic collapse. And even then, the chances of that working are less likely then you think. Ask the NDP and Liberals here in Canada how well a similar plan worked out for them from ~2000-2015. I'll give you a tip: It didn't.

To give an example, his travel/immigration ban covers several Middle Eastern countries, and cited terrorist attacks including 9/11 as cause. And yet, none of the countries the 9/11 hijackers came from are included in the ban. Why?

Quoting looney left talking points isn't helping your case. The reason for the seven countries has been covered extensively - Obama chose them.

Even the lunatics at msnbc know this:

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-j...

and NPR:

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/30/...

More reliable information here:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/m...

Okay, try this one.

Looking at the links you supply that seem to be from actual news sources (note that I didn't link the HuffPo article I found), we find snopes claiming that someone registered nineteen dead people, CBS4 talking about up to a dozen people who may have voted twice, and Fox mostly speculating. Multiple registrations aren't vote fraud, and some of Trump's nominees appear to have multiple registrations. For all I know, I'm still registered in some of my old residences, but I haven't checked.

I didn't include any links from Huffington Post because of its reputation. Snopes confirms that someone registered 19 dead people, but is unable to verify if that student was going to vote for the deceased, much less vote for Hillary 19 times. Voting multiple times is voter fraud. Registering multiple times without voting manipulates statistics.

I don't understand why people keep claiming that voter ID stops that kind of voter fraud. Multiple voting in significant numbers is easy to catch, and if the authorities are going to overlook that they're not likely to enforce ID. Do you have any actual evidence that it would help more than it hurts?

Providing voter ID means that a person MUST be registered to vote and can only vote once (at least per voting station). Multiple voting is only caught in the case of an audit, such as when too many votes are registered in a polling place or the results are way off whack from what the latest polls predicted. With such low voter turnout, it is unlikely to demand an audit because of too many votes.

Also, Republicans run a lot of states, and it's in those that Democrats tend to have problems voting. Duh.

Same could be said of Republicans living in a Democrat-run state. And if there are so many Democrats, how did Republican governors and mayors get elected there?

Okay, try this one.

Looking at the links you supply that seem to be from actual news sources (note that I didn't link the HuffPo article I found), we find snopes claiming that someone registered nineteen dead people, CBS4 talking about up to a dozen people who may have voted twice, and Fox mostly speculating. Multiple registrations aren't vote fraud, and some of Trump's nominees appear to have multiple registrations. For all I know, I'm still registered in some of my old residences, but I haven't checked.

I don't understand why people keep claiming that voter ID stops that kind of voter fraud. Multiple voting in significant numbers is easy to catch, and if the authorities are going to overlook that they're not likely to enforce ID. Do you have any actual evidence that it would help more than it hurts?

Also, Republicans run a lot of states, and it's in those that Democrats tend to have problems voting. Duh.

And there are certainly crazies on the right. The difference is the center-right ignores them or disavows them and does not give them a platform. No one would ever hear a single idea of David Duke or Richard Spencer if the left and corporate-left media didn't promote them.

Nobody gives them a platform... except when the US president retweets them!

If you think the only education you can get to lift you out of a low paying job is a college degree then your worldview is the first thing that needs a correction through education.

If you only got that from that post, perhaps a college degree would have taught you what an example is.

A $200 laptop and free wifi at McDonald's will give you all the education you need to work your way up to a livable wage.

It's amusing you think $200 is a paltry sum of money when discussing how people can get out of poverty.

Maybe they should just get a loan from their parents to start a business.

There's plenty more, how much over the reports nobody knows because the Democrats spent decades making it impossible to find out.

So what you're saying is that the Republican governor and legislatures of North Carolina are unable to fix this alleged problem.

Huh.

Of course, too bad for you the real story turned out to be errors in their own system, and failing to account for family members with the same name.

Maybe if they hadn't wasted trillions of dollars imposing mandatory medical inspections before using the restroom. Trillions I tell you. Even NASCAR is thinking of moving.

Maybe, maybe not. 5 million voted haven't been counted yet. Right now, she's up by about 100k.

Where do you get this idea that there are 5 million votes that haven't been counted yet? There are some outstanding votes, but I have my doubts about it being 2 million left, let alone 5 million. He's down around 200,000 now, though, BTW. It's not moved that much since you posted, but I don't see that many votes outstanding.

We can't even say that the popular vote represents the actual percentage preference - many more people in Texas would have come out to vote for Trump if it were a popular vote election, but they knew voting was pointless because Trump was already guaranteed to win Texas. Similarly the other way in California - Clinton would have received more votes from Californians if this election was about the popular vote. So the results don't tell us who has more supporters, not at all.

Good, make sure you tell Paul Ryan that, he doesn't seem to be aware. He doesn't realize Trump has lost the popular vote.

And if you were right at your 5 million number, it'd be so huge, I'd expect multiple states to still be in flippable range.

Maybe, maybe not. 5 million voted haven't been counted yet. Right now, she's up by about 100k.

Where do you get this idea that there are 5 million votes that haven't been counted yet? There are some outstanding votes, but I have my doubts about it being 2 million left, let alone 5 million. He's down around 200,000 now, though, BTW. It's not moved that much since you posted, but I don't see that many votes outstanding.

We can't even say that the popular vote represents the actual percentage preference - many more people in Texas would have come out to vote for Trump if it were a popular vote election, but they knew voting was pointless because Trump was already guaranteed to win Texas. Similarly the other way in California - Clinton would have received more votes from Californians if this election was about the popular vote. So the results don't tell us who has more supporters, not at all.

Good, make sure you tell Paul Ryan that, he doesn't seem to be aware. He doesn't realize Trump has lost the popular vote.

And if you were right at your 5 million number, it'd be so huge, I'd expect multiple states to still be in flippable range.

Hillary Clinton wasn't the only one to operate a private e-mail server, plenty of republicans did it too:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma... ... the hypocrisy of the stink that the Reps. have raised over this e-mail affair is enormous.

Almost everybody on that list was a governor and used a private email address, not a private server. (You would think we would understand the difference on a tech site.) The reason I mention they are state-level is that the part that makes what Hillary did rise to the level of requiring a criminal investigation is that she handled classified information - governors do.

Now, US senator Marco Rubio is on that list for using a private email address while in state government so -- oops, I guess everyone on that list is at the state-level.

The most bizarre part of that article is they left out the best example, Colin Powell.

The email server was her faullt. Covering it up and pretending that no secret Emails were sent/recieved on the server was also her fault. Hillary has been viscerally disliked for who she is for decades by many and her attempting to skate by pretending that the rules for everyone else don't apply to her now mean that we're all going to have to suffer through 4 years of Trump.

Hillary Clinton wasn't the only one to operate a private e-mail server, plenty of republicans did it too: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-ma... ... the hypocrisy of the stink that the Reps. have raised over this e-mail affair is enormous. I don't think Hillary will be charged over this for the simple reason that if she is charged, a number of prominent republicans will have to answer some embarrassing questions about their own e-mail set up and the Trump led government will have to explain why only Hillary is being prosecuted but not their own friends and cronies.

There's actually a much less thoroughly linked or explained version of the story that beat mine. I wonder which one they'll post, if any? I guess I should've quoted the full story, though so it doesn't get burred.

Democrat Operatives Caused Violence at Trump Rallies, Framed Sanders Supporters

A new video has come out detailing how Democratic operatives created violence at Trump rallies. You may remember that they then framed Sanders supporters for those protests. This video is notable because one of the operatives, Zulema Rodriguez, can be identified in videos of the Arizona protests at 17:35 in this independent video as well as at 10:30 in the first video link. Furthermore, you look at the FEC records of disbursements to her and see that she was paid by MoveOn.org. Finally, this again can be corroborated with the Wikileaks dump, specifically this email. For those too lazy to browse all the links, you can see Zulema's appearance in both videos in this image and note that it's the same person down to the tiny mole on her chest.

Sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - Confession caught on video for Zulema and others.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/san... - Old news report showing the 'split' between real & fake Sanders supporters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... - Old video showing this lady at the AZ protests (and lying, etc.)
https://beta.fec.gov/data/disb... - FED disbursement data showing her payments from MoveOn.org
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-... - Wikileaks email regarding the strategy they were using.
https://i.sli.mg/dNBRek.png - A handy image to help you compare her appearance in the confession & the AZ protest videos. Note the same mole on her chest.

The building was vandalized with the phrase "Nazi Republicans Leave Town or Else". Who else do you think would have done it?

The correct answer is: "I don't know, and you don't know either."

It's hard to believe it was the Democrats, since all the polls and all the indications show that they're winning. Why in the world would they want to change a winning game?

Throwing bombs isn't something you do if you're winning; it's what you do if you're losing.

But, with that said, I doubt it's the Trump campaign. I expect it was lunatic fanatic crazies.

Whether the lunatic fanatic crazies thought they were on Trump's side, or on Clinton's side, is yet to be seen.

Just to pick the first three:

John Jacob Astor: bribed officials & politicians to ensure his monopoly, exploited natives with liquor.
Andrew Carnegie: insider trading, exploited workers, murderous strike-breaking.
William A. Clarke: inspired the Corrupt Practices Act 1912, but not in a good way.

We all agree that economic activity needs to follow basic laws, but I'm mostly referring to regulations that limit corporate exploitation of things that aren't illegal, yet can be clearly damaging to society. Pollution and dumping of waste is an obvious one (incidentally, benefits of EPA regulations outweigh costs by 10 to 1). Worker health & safety is another. Price-fixing, false advertising, leveraged monopolies, offloading of external costs onto the general public etc - all things that benefit the corporation at the cost of others, often in hard-to-quantify but very real ways.

Regulations are a burden on the economy - but kept reasonable, they prevent excesses that can be much worse.

We have fewer Americans in the workforce that we did a decade ago and that continues to decline.

This one is due in huge part to the baby boom and all of them retiring. Between that and a decline in birth rates, you're going to have a smaller workforce.

Not true according to Bloomberg : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...

The decrease in the labor force last month also probably didn’t reflect the retirement of more baby boomers. The participation rate among those 65 years old and older rose to 18.9 percent in April from 18.5 percent the prior month.

Not entirely true, according to US News : http://www.usnews.com/news/the...

In a nutshell, the baby boomers have aged and are now finally retiring en masse. After bulging into the workplace in the 1970s, women are no longer the force in the labor market they once were. Younger people are opting to educate themselves rather than work. And a less-than-friendly tone toward immigrants is shrinking the supply for some high-skilled jobs.

Not according to MSNBC : http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/fe...

In other words, a remarkable number of Americans are not only unemployed, but are also declining to seek new employment. That includes a striking number of 18-24 year olds, according to a new report from Demos called “Stuck: Young America’s Persistent Jobs Crisis.” According to the report, Americans in that age group had lower participation rates than 25-34 year olds or 35-64 year olds across the educational spectrum.

Thats just the first few articles on a google search of "fewer americans in the workforce", and no one would claim that those sources are slanted Republican or Conservative. They are from 2012, 2013 and 2015, and the trend continues thru today. But just to make sure, here's that same search limited to the last year.

According to the Chicago Tribune : http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

The problem is particularly pronounced among men between the ages of 25 and 54, traditionally considered the prime working years. Their participation rate has been declining for decades, but the drop-off accelerated during the recession. The high mark was 98 percent in 1954, and it now stands at 88 percent. A new analysis from the White House's Council of Economic Advisers, slated for release Monday, found that the United States now has the third-lowest participation rate for "prime-age men" among the world's developed countries.

And from CNN Money : http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/0...

1. Fewer adults are working
Only 62.7% of adult Americans are working. The so-called Labor Force Participation rate hasn't been this low since the late 1970s. The rate measures how many people over age 16 are working or actively seeking work. Back in the '70s, it was low because fewer women worked outside the home. That's not the story today. Now, three factors are driving the decrease in workers. The first is that a huge part of the adult population, Baby Boomers, are retiring. That's expected and healthy. It explains about half of the decline in the workforce.

The second is more young people are going to college and graduate school. They are studying more, which should be a positive for the nation. But the third one is alarming: some people have just given up on finding work. It's hard to qu

However, I don't know how they've determined that. The only analysis I've seen was from the private security firm hired by the DNC to investigate after the attack.

There are several reasons why you'd only hear from the DNC itself and not the U.S. government. From the New York Times:

The assessment by the intelligence community of Russian involvement in the D.N.C. hacking, which largely echoes the findings of private cybersecurity firms that have examined the electronic fingerprints left by the intruders, leaves President Obama and his national security aides with a difficult diplomatic and political decision: whether to publicly accuse the government of President Vladimir V. Putin of engineering the hacking.

Such a public accusation could result in a further deterioration of the already icy relationship between Washington and Moscow, at a moment when the administration is trying to reach an accord with Mr. Putin on a cease-fire in Syria and on other issues. It could also doom any effort to reach some kind of agreement about acceptable behavior in cyberspace, of the kind the United States has been discussing with China.

What the media's running with: Trump is a secret agent taking orders from Putin who personally haxx0red the DNC and if you don't elect Hillary Clinton then Trump is going to take orders from Putin and invade Europe and/or nuke everyone.

The general consensus seems to be that the Russians consider him a useful idiot, not a "secret agent". He obviously isn't going to take orders from Putin, and Putin won't need to give him any. Trump has made it clear that he perceives NATO as some sort of protection racket that he might abandon like a failing casino. (As far as nukes, Trump says he "isn't going to take cards off the table", whatever that means.)

If you don't believe a "third hand account from a third rate journalist", you can watch Trump talk about nuclear weapons himself.

Trump is not "just like Hitler"- he could never accomplish what Hitler did. He's more of a spitting image of Mussolini.

Again, do any of these allegations have any merit whatsoever, or is this just more "well the other guys did it, so if my guy does it it's okay amirite" horseshit?

yes, the horseshit, that's the problem. Though I can tell you still don't get where it's coming from, you're off target when you say "It's ok if the other guys did it" when the problem is the slightly different "Hey man, why don't you ever call out any of your own for their mess-ups and why do you always expect us to ignore you trying to make mountains out of molehills?" issue.

When it comes to the GOP, we just didn't have anywhere near the level of investigations or hearings. No reports. Even the media doesn't ask nearly enough questions. They just pass along the bullshit. (Which makes me wonder how deep the rabbit hole really goes...)

So it becomes "Well, they're just making a political duststorm again" so the allegations they do make, they lack credibility.

See how you're completely somewhat misconstrued the issue yet?

Vague bullshit from anonymous cowards are exactly that, and will be treated as such. If you know of classified information that has been improperly handled by members of Congress, speak up with specifics or shut it.

Yeah, this is why I think you don't get it, the public wants the Members of Congress to shut it, all they have is vague bullshit, and particularly from the GOP, they've shown no evidence of cleaning their own House(Or Senate). They leak even while feigning their own higher morals. And it isn't just the Federal level.

After months of hearings for Benghazi, shrill calls of outrage and hysteria, the conclusion? An 800-page tome which reveals an unfortunate situation, but no direct malfeasance. Same with this e-mail gate scandal. No Manchurian Candidate level brainwashing, no great scandal. Yet we were subjected to endless intimations that there was something really rotten going on.

They'd have a chance of us believing them if they'd kept themselves scrupulously clean, but nope, didn't happen, and thus...fizzle.

Heck man, you can see the Clinton Death list still continuing in these threads, you can still expect to see some birthers around, and I expect a few people believe those curtains are REALLY Islamic.

Look, you know why Andy had to arrest Opie that one time? So he could keep on arresting everybody else in Mayberry. Go arrest Opie. Or Aunt Bea. Or Gomer. Or Floyd. Until you're willing to put your own best friend in jail you won't understand the problem.

So tell Congress to speak up and denounce their own malefactors.

Thank goodness we have dealership networks to protect us from those evil manufacturers.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-...

If taxes are, as you basically argue, a use tax/service fee - then let's structure it as such. The US Federal Government is spending about $4 trillion this year for the 320 million of us present. So let's go ahead and send every man, woman, and child a bill for $12,500. That's their fee for the service provided.

Many on the left want to use taxes not to pay for the goods and services received, but to redistribute wealth to "make it equal". THAT is the fundamental difference between Conservatism and Liberalism in the US: Conservatives want to see equality of opportunity - everyone starts the race at the same line. Liberalism seeks equality of results - we all cross the finish line at the same time. And for the liberal politicians, they see the tax code as a way to enforce their belief. All the while exempting themselves from such levels (for example, President Obama pays about 20% in taxes even though the typical 1%er like he is pays much more. Heck, he pays a lower rate than the top 5% even though he's towards the very top end of that group).

Citation? Seriously? This one has been well-covered. (Looks at Bing Tsher E's posting history) Hmm - seems like 'Citation' is your go-to response, when you're not dinging others for being mis-informed.

Anyway, you can get info on this topic by googling 'trump disability'. And here's one of many articles; this one includes two occasions when he mocked people with disabilities: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/tru...

Debbie "Downer" Wasserman-Shultz, the queen of the DNC and a huge Hillary! supporter is heavily supported by Payday Loan industry.

I guess she probably will have to use Duck Duck Go.