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Premise one : it is Work to create content, whether it be music, video, the printed word, or computer code. What do I mean by Work? Well, first it requires a portion of the content creator's lifespan to create content. Obviously, the people doing the creating must meet their needs during this time, and more skilled (or at least more popular) content creators must receive proportionally more compensation for their labors. (hence popular content receives more compensation)

Well (obviously) the entire open-source movement couldn't exist then, because people aren't getting paid all that much to work on it. Oh well, time to go back to Windows, everything else has failed before it even had a chance.

Premise Two : If someone is allowed to enjoy such created content, whatever to media, without paying for it they decrease the incentive the creators of such content have to produce it. If so few people pay for it in some manner that it is more effort to create content than the creators are compensated (measured in subjective terms, of course) then the creator of the content will likely move on to a more productive form of employment.

Okay, I think you've missed the boat on Art itself here. Art is not done for the profits. Most artists find it very very difficult to make a living at what they do. Yet they keep doing it because they love to perform their art. For every band that you see as a one-hit-wonder on TRL this week there are dozens/hundreds which have music just as good or better, yet will never be seen. It is not the hope of some day finding acceptance in corporate America (and through them in the minds of the stuporous populous), or the power and wealth which go along with such acceptance which drives them. It is the love of their art and the thrill which comes along with sharing it with people which keeps artists going.

Premise 3 : The digital age allows one to make absolutely perfect copies of content, for almost any form. Many people find they can get content for free with perfect quality.

Well then its about freakin' time that someone realized that the advent of digital technology means that the MPAA, RIAA, and such organizations who arose out of a need for national distribution of their industry's products have been obsoleted by technology. They simply cannot survive trying to peddle their wares any more. They will adapt to the new economic realities of their situation, or perish, plain and simple. It won't matter what laws are passed. It's simply corporate evolution. They are unfit to continue.

Rant mode off.

I guess that my point is being obscured by my example. It is in fact true that the RIAA represents a cartel of sorts, just ask King Crimson's Robert Fripp or Courtney Love and Don Henley...

I suppose that what I am envisioning is the nightmare of Disney and Sony execs world-wide. All of the things you say are kind of true if it weren't for the stranglehold producers have on artists. But my point is (and by the way, to the extent that capitalists have a conscience I say "go ahead man, go for it") that if we really actualized the potential of the internet, businesses that can be wholly engulfed by this medium due to the fact that their product can be reduced to pure information streams would be radically transformed because the content would be free.

That is what would turn the industries on their ear.

Jacques Cousteau points out to us that a sign of a degraded ecology is loss of diversification of species. Well, I find parallels in software, movies, and music, where diversity is not celebrated. But thanks for the thoughtful treatise on capitalism at its best. I can't argue with what you said.

This just plain annoys me.

D00d, Staind is where it's at!

at least Balmer didn't use the word "hatorade".

I'm thinking MTV (Music TeleVision) might have a problem with Microsoft using their acronym.

-Shade

"The art of flying is to throw yourself at the ground... and miss." - Douglas Adams

I was going to buy it just to play around with it. It's totally ludacris to say it can't be copied.

I'm not really sure what Ludacris would say about this protection, but I bet he'd think that it couldn't be copied, and would jump on the bandwagon as well. Oh, wait, you meant ludicrous.

It would seem to be the same as the argument that comes up everytime a digital copy-protection scheme is mentioned.

All it takes is one copy to produce more.

I'm sure that among all the people in the world you will find some female willing to give birth to a "headless abomination" (that's hyperbole, not personal beliefs) for the right amount of cash. It has been shown time and time again that the human creature will do bizarre things for all sorts of reasons, perhaps there are even folks out there who would think it would be cool to have the worlds first headless child.

All it takes is one copy to make more. The only difference is the amount of time involved.

Fist Prost

"We're talking about a planet of helpdesks."

I believe you're thinking of Bjork's video for All Is Full of Love, directed by the amazing Chris Cunningham.

(all i found of the video was a low-quality 30-sec. clip, but i didn't look that hard...)

There are a couple more resources if you're really interested in his views.
MTV has an article and here's another.
My favorite is probably here though.

There are a couple more resources if you're really interested in his views.
MTV has an article and here's another.
My favorite is probably here though.

There are a couple more resources if you're really interested in his views.
MTV has an article and here's another.
My favorite is probably here though.

can be found here.

Like Celebrity Deathmatch -- it would be fun to see a razor-fan lowered into the ring while Rosen and Valenti are in it. I'd even give them the copyright on it.

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However, Napster and the Offspring have already come to an agreement. Read the MTV News story Offspring, Napster Reach T-Shirt Accord . Napster is now allowing Offspring to sell merchadies and is even giving them more stuff to sell.

--weenie NT4 user: bite me!

Thought everybody should know that there is a MTV News Now Special on tonight about Napster and the effect it is having on the music industry.

I like the title, 'Napster: Grand Theft Audio'

Hopefully, there will be a story posted on ./ tomorrow so that the show can be ripped to pieces in a nice civilized manner.

Thought everybody should know that there is a MTV News Now Special on tonight about Napster and the effect it is having on the music industry.

I like the title, 'Napster: Grand Theft Audio'

Hopefully, there will be a story posted on ./ tomorrow so that the show can be ripped to pieces in a nice civilized manner.

"Napster is an avenue for music 'promotion'."

And I'm sure that if I stole a bunch of CDs from the Wall and threw them to people in the street, that would be "promotion" too, right?

I'll agree that, in theory, Napster is a tool for promotion. But in case you didn't know, the reason for artists to promote their music is so that they can sell CDs. Sure, Napster may be "promoting" the latest Filter CD, but where's the incentive to buy it if you've downloaded the CD in MP3 anyway?

"The RIAA can keep independent music off the radio and MTV and pretty much any other mainstream 'available to everyone' promotion vehicle, but they can't keep them off Napster."

Since when has the RIAA been keeping independent music off MTV and the radio. Hell, I work at my university's radio station, and we haven't been invaded by RIAA stormtroopers saying "Play Britney Spears or you shall die!" And if you want independent music on MTV, I strongly suggest you watch 120 Minutes (a damn great show) or see if you can get M2 from your cable provider.

The real reason why you can't find independent music on the radio (commercial anyway) and MTV is because the droves of pre-pubescent teens want to see crap-ass pre-fab acts like the Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees, and Britney Spears. I spoke with an MTV exec at a journalism conference at Columbia University when I was in high school, and I was told that MTV has basically "sold out" (as he put it), because if the kiddies want to see some boy band, MTV will flood them with it, because they're in it for the money (surprise).

As for your assumption that the RIAA is keeping down the indie labels so bad that they have to use Napster, IMHO I think it's full of shit. Sure, I can find my college rock heroes like the Fastbacks, Swallow, EDL, Simon Says, and the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion on Napster, but the results are pale in comparison to how much you can find if you search for Metallica or Dr. Dre.

Simply put...Napster is a "promotional" tool in the theoretical sense (I admit that I have bought some CDs because I downloaded the music via Napster), but it is still primarily a tool for music piracy, no matter how much RMS-like reasoning you try to coat it with. You really want to help the indie labels? Go out and buy some of their CDs, and support your local college radio stations (I guess I'm a shill for those :)). Remember, labels like Sub Pop or Kill Rock Stars don't have as much money to throw away like Geffen and Atlantic do.

raunchola (at) hushmail (dot) com

"Napster is an avenue for music 'promotion'."

And I'm sure that if I stole a bunch of CDs from the Wall and threw them to people in the street, that would be "promotion" too, right?

I'll agree that, in theory, Napster is a tool for promotion. But in case you didn't know, the reason for artists to promote their music is so that they can sell CDs. Sure, Napster may be "promoting" the latest Filter CD, but where's the incentive to buy it if you've downloaded the CD in MP3 anyway?

"The RIAA can keep independent music off the radio and MTV and pretty much any other mainstream 'available to everyone' promotion vehicle, but they can't keep them off Napster."

Since when has the RIAA been keeping independent music off MTV and the radio. Hell, I work at my university's radio station, and we haven't been invaded by RIAA stormtroopers saying "Play Britney Spears or you shall die!" And if you want independent music on MTV, I strongly suggest you watch 120 Minutes (a damn great show) or see if you can get M2 from your cable provider.

The real reason why you can't find independent music on the radio (commercial anyway) and MTV is because the droves of pre-pubescent teens want to see crap-ass pre-fab acts like the Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees, and Britney Spears. I spoke with an MTV exec at a journalism conference at Columbia University when I was in high school, and I was told that MTV has basically "sold out" (as he put it), because if the kiddies want to see some boy band, MTV will flood them with it, because they're in it for the money (surprise).

As for your assumption that the RIAA is keeping down the indie labels so bad that they have to use Napster, IMHO I think it's full of shit. Sure, I can find my college rock heroes like the Fastbacks, Swallow, EDL, Simon Says, and the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion on Napster, but the results are pale in comparison to how much you can find if you search for Metallica or Dr. Dre.

Simply put...Napster is a "promotional" tool in the theoretical sense (I admit that I have bought some CDs because I downloaded the music via Napster), but it is still primarily a tool for music piracy, no matter how much RMS-like reasoning you try to coat it with. You really want to help the indie labels? Go out and buy some of their CDs, and support your local college radio stations (I guess I'm a shill for those :)). Remember, labels like Sub Pop or Kill Rock Stars don't have as much money to throw away like Geffen and Atlantic do.

raunchola (at) hushmail (dot) com

The most redeeming quality of Beavis & Butthead is that it spun off Daria, the coolest show on MTV, with the possible exception of Celebrity Deathmatch.

The most redeeming quality of Beavis & Butthead is that it spun off Daria, the coolest show on MTV, with the possible exception of Celebrity Deathmatch.

Contrary to the Britney Spears and Will Smith posts I have seen, if anybody actually looked at their site they would know that the 6 people are:

Mike Carson
Lenore Davis
Zack Goodman
Tina Kim
Moe Kyle
Michael Michael

Basically, nobody I have ever heard of; Seems they have pulled people out of the "general", or should I say, "MTV viewing population" ( big difference !! between these two populations)

Put the slashdot effect to good use.
It's over here.
J.

Not on the incident itself, but on Parker/Stone's actions:

Yahoo's report (actually, from E-Online's news) says "Matt Stone and Trey Parker, the duo behind the cult animated hit, declined to release a statement--a Comedy Central spokesperson says they're mourning in private.".

MTV had a report yesterday morning that stated, "The show's creators, Trey Parker and Matt Stone, addressed the news in a statement that read, "Mary Kay was with us from the very beginning and helped make 'South Park' a success by sharing with us her amazing talent. We will miss her as an artist, a co-worker, and above all else a friend.""

So which is right? Did they make an official statement or not?

what the hell is this doing here? if i need some kind of help like this, i certainly will not come to slashdot! this is not what i come here for, besides the fact that it is poorly written and informs us of nothing insightful, not to mention how chauvinistic it is. please curb your useless "news" posts. if you really need to post some utter crap like this again, feel free to post it somewhere that is interested in crap like mTV or seventeen.com . do not insult us again with this offensive tripe.

http://www.mtv.com/mtv/tubescan/truelife/

Wonder if they read /.?

I think this was a production of their news section, so you can mail mtvdart@aol.com with your comments. Of course, this may also fall under the umbrella of "shows", so you might want to use this page to send your feedback. I'm pretty sure the former is the case, however.

FreakHo

Sunday night @ 2 AM (actually it's early monday morning) is the only hour of MTV worth my time anymore...

AMP

I'm sure their little preview of Cyberfest 99 is more interesting than this "hacker special" thing.

love,
hdj jewboy

Oh yeah, there's a *clip* of the video at

It's a 45kbps network stream, so 28.8 or higher connection (28.8 took about 40 sec to buffer) you should be fine. You'll need real player.

Everyone should vote for it and maybe it'll get to #1 on mtv for a few weeks.

You're just about as useless as jpegs to Helen Keller.

"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special." - Jane, Daria

Okay fellow friends and paniacs here is the drill, we need to flood MTV's
"Total Request Live" with online requests to play PAIN'S "In A Band" video.

Go to the link below, and click other.
Then write in "Pain" in the Artist's Name space.
Then write in "In A Band" in the Video Title space.
DON'T FORGET TO FILL IN YOUR NAME, STATE, AND COMMENTS AREA TOO!!

http://mtv.com/mtv/tubescan/ totalrequest2/pickaday.tin


Please, email this to all your friends. Educate them about the ways of Pain,
and ask them to vote, and then email their friends. Many of you know the
guys (and gal) in Pain personally, so vote for them, and get your friends to
vote for them. They deserve it.

If you have access to mass media (e.g. A radio DJ, play a Pain song,
announce the link on the air and ask your listeners to vote)!!

Pain's "In a Band" video has already hit M2.

In case you don't know who Pain is, go to http://www.indieweb.com/pain/

To watch the video via RealAudio go to http://www.painful.org/

To buy, listen, or check out Pain's music go to
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=51683390/ pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/disc
ography.html/ArtistID=FRN-PAIN/


You have your mission :)