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I would be interested to see what OSes those sites are running on, I'd suspect it would kill the "Linux is just as insecure as Microsoft" myth.

BTW, does Netcraft have a version of the DowJones 500 to see what the top 500 sites are running? I can't seem to find anything....

I would be interested to see what OSes those sites are running on, I'd suspect it would kill the "Linux is just as insecure as Microsoft" myth.

BTW, does Netcraft have a version of the DowJones 500 to see what the top 500 sites are running? I can't seem to find anything....

That's what the "active sites" means I think - and that would make 23 millions of real apache servers

http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200007.html#activ e

I believe the claim about the "commercial server market" refers to business-operated web servers, not to commercial server software. If I'm correct, "almost amusing" would be the introduction making such a silly error.

In fact, reading the introduction -- the whole thing is idiotic. It opens with an anecdote from The Double Helix that not only misspells Max Delbruck's name repeatedly but ascribes a view to Jim Watson that's contradicted by the quote they use. In general, the notion of Watson as a non-competitive sharer is preposterous to anyone who has read the book.

The Full Description is available. Haha, I really get a kick out of the section titled Read the Source, Luke. Then there's quotes such as, In the web server space, Microsoft's complete denial of the Open Source phenomenon is almost amusing. The Apache web server has, at the time of writing, more than 50% of the web serving market according the Netcraft survey ( http://www.netcraft.com/survey). When you look at advertisements for Microsoft's Internet Information Server (IIS) you see them tout that they own over half the market in web serving--over half the commercial server market, that is. from the Introduction of the original. This is something I'll definitely be reading and adding to my Bookmarks Toolbar Folder!

They're website is down... I hope they're not using Minix as the OS ! http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /minix3.org Oh, no it's Solaris 9. Sounds bad...

Firefox was "regarded as" bullet proof until it started gaining market share, and as soon as it did, there came the holes.

I think there is some truth the to bullet proof remark as many people assumed there would be no holes in Firefox because they had not seen continual bug reports like they had seen for the Intenet Explorer counter part. However, I think there is still some justification to the perception of a more secure product from the mozilla foundation than from Microsoft. I am basing this opinion off the statistics at secunia.com:

Internet Explorer stats
http://secunia.com/product/11/

Fire Fox stats
http://secunia.com/product/4227/

Pay close attention to the statistics charts and you can draw the following conclusions:
1) The rate at which bugs are found in the two applications is very nearly the same. On average about 2 per month for each application.

2) Internet Explorer tends to have more bugs which are unpatched or partialy fixed. Fire Fox is much better at patching.

3) The severity of the bugs found in Internet Explorer tend to be much higher than those of Fire Fox. The bugs in Internet Explorer are more than 3 times likely to be of extreme severity when compared to Fire Fox.

4) And more of the bugs found in Internet Explorer tend to give system access when exploited than Fire Fox bugs.

So the perception that Fire Fox is more secure than Internet Explorer is justified. But bullet proof, far from it.

The Linux market is so incredibly tiny that no hacker looking to make money takes the time to hack Linux.

Somehow I doubt that most of the hackers out there do what they do to make money. But I'm more concerned with you "incredibly tiny" market share theory. Perhaps in desktops the linux market share is small, however, there are a significant number of linux servers out there especially in the web server space. I tried searching for data but the only thing I could find was some old 2001 data from a Netcraft survey.

http://survey.netcraft.com/index-200106.html

But based on that survey in June of 2001 there were about 8.5 million linux web servers alone. That is 29% of the market. And if the market share numbers are the same today that number is over 21 million. So I'd say there are plenty of linux boxes just waiting to be hacked.

And interestingly, when you compare the secunia reports for similar products, Windows 2003 Web Server and Red Hat Enterprise AS 3, you find similar results to the web browsers:

Windows 2003 Web Server
http://secunia.com/product/1176/

Red Hat Enterprise AS 3
http://secunia.com/product/2534/

One may look at the number of reported vulnerabilities and say ooh open source security sucks, but then when you dig a little deeper you see that on average Windows security bugs are patched slower, the severity is greater, and they are more likely to provide system access if exploited.

Others spread FUD about MS just as much as MS spreads FUD about Linux.

I'd say its rather dishonest to put some Slashdot poster FUD on the same level as the expensive marketing campaigns used by Microsoft to spread FUD. Not quite the same thing. And besides, could you give some examples of non-blog/message board FUD spread about Mic

Are you sure?!! but netcraft tells that it's all Linux [netcraft.com]

Yes, but jokeflewoveryourhead.com runs nothing. Very zen, eh? ;)

Article is down as the new BBC runs Microsoft.

Microsoft signs as England backer

Bill Gates and software giant Microsoft and the Queen have signed to become first "Founding Partner" of the new England, in a five-year deal worth at least £50m.

Microsoft technology will be used in all official functions, and the firm will get use of the soil for 90 minutes a year.

'Iconic'

"We are tremendously proud to be the first (founding partner)," said Nick Barley, business and marketing officer of Microsoft UK.

"You won't see our name on consumers' shirts but there is something about England - it's an icon, it's a legend, it's part of British culture and life. The word Microsoft will appear on every one of their biometric ID cards, which will be renamed to Passport and we're working on a deal to transcribe it into consumers genes and have obtained a patent for that."

The original England opened in 1066 and eventually became the British Empire. The Empire won its last match against Germany in the century and recently defeated Argentina.

Regeneration programme

English executives say over two million visitors will visit the England each year, and that the project will generate approximately 5,000 new jobs.

The deal is at the heart of a regeneration programme called Vision 2020, creating new homes, offices and community sport and leisure facilities as well as improved public transport links.

However its construction has not been entirely smooth, with delays and cost overruns, with Australian builders Multiplex saying it will not make a profit on the contract. Bill Gates dissmissed the builder's assertions saying the new facts will get TCO straight.

"The union of Microsoft and the new state-of-the-art kingdom is fantastic news and will help resurrect the Empire as the world's leading sports and entertainment venue," said a representative.

Business Aims

"We won't have any of that Open Business going on here," Bill smiled as he toured a Castle, "I got so sick of hearing people slipping out of my grip in Munich, Mass and all that. We're going to enjoy a good market here and everywhere we are able to purchase customers."

Disney and Warner executives were stung by the deal. A collective "I can't believe we let that tin horn beat us to it!" was heard in board meetings in both companies.

yeah

According to Netcraft the server is your common Apache on Linux combination.

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /www.cooltechzone.com

I'd be inclined to blame their use of PHP for their server troubles. PHP has shown time and time again that it is unsuitable for sites receiving many hits, unless you can throw massive amounts of hardware at it.

Linux Apache/1.3.33 Unix mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 PHP/4.3.10 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 mod_ssl/2.8.22 OpenSSL/0.9.7a

Actually, according to Netcraft the server is your common Apache on Linux combination. Indeed, it is most likely a PHP-related problem.

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

To whoever was trolling/FUDing about FreeBSD's "market share" etc... here's what Netcraft was actually saying in their most recent article about this OS last year:
"[FreeBSD] has a secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames (...) since July 2003."
Full text + stats

...as long as Netcraft doesn't confirm it!

This is significant, since you have a lot more phishing attacks targeting Paypal and eBay than the major banks these days.

....Dam Commies........ http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /foxnews.com

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

The singularity! It's happening!

About a year ago the .info central registry, Afilias, began offering the domains free to registrars - who could then charge for them or give them away. A unit of eNom registered more than a million .info names "on behalf of" their existing .com and .net customers. Soon after Dotster followed suit with about 350,000 more. The one-year free registration period on these .info names is now expiring, and a bunch are being deleted as a result.

About a year ago the .info central registry, Afilias, began offering the domains free to registrars - who could then charge for them or give them away. A unit of eNom registered more than a million .info names "on behalf of" their existing .com and .net customers. Soon after Dotster followed suit with about 350,000 more. The one-year free registration period on these .info names is now expiring, and a bunch are being deleted as a result.

An older survey of theirs seems to contain the answer:

The Netcraft Web Server Survey is a survey of Web Server software usage on Internet connected computers. We collect and collate as many hostnames providing an http service as we can find, and systematically poll each one with an HTTP request for the server name.

So yeah, they're probably being quite lax about actual content.

Please explain what the irony is in that. FreeBSD also works in the real-world quite well (Yahoo, Hotmail before MS, not to mention 2.5 million other sites.

While FreeBSD doesn't have the "sexiness" of Linux right now (although I'd argue that is starting to wane a good bit) it is rock solid and dead simple to admin.

Oh, yeah?

Try telling that to SCO.

They seem to be doing just fine running Linux. Hope they don't accidentally involve themselves in their automatic lawsuit machine...

...they appear to eat their own dogfood.

...they appear to eat their own dogfood.

/. munged my link, its: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=30gigs.co m

Can't help you out with much more then the uptime http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=30gigs.co m [netcraft.com] which, interesting enough, actually hasn't been plotted yet, but that should change in a few days.

Uuuhhh, yes, it does.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=microsoft .com

Which isn't to say it's not a stupid idea, but still....

Face facts, google can't beat microsoft if microsoft doesn't want to be beat.

Netcraft might not write a article, but Microsoft is indeed dying, just in another area, and every bit counts to chip this illegal, suffocating, behemoth of a company out of our lives. See here

Better tell the army.

I noticed this interesting tidbit earlier. Maybe they should put adsense on their site? :-D

" In general, whereas the Sadducees were conservative, aristocratic monarchists, the Pharisees were eclectic, popular, and more democratic. "yep... democracy, the root of all evil.

The "linux priesthood" is well known for suppressing dissenting opinion via violence (or threat thereof), mean we hear about the mass-slayings of windows users ALL THE TIME in the news.

Its good to know, that wikipedia would still be there if all the linux machines disappeared tomarrow

God knows that linux was holding back the computer revlotion when it was first released in 1991 with its strangle-hold on the hardware production, keeping hardware costs high. High costs of computers had nothing to do with the micro-processor being a new technology (in the early to mid 80's, when computers where quite costly), which was just not mature enough to have price point fall. SOFTWARE was keeping the cost of HARDWARE up, that's the most logical explination.

I just wanted to say "here, here" to your well thought out points.

Oninoshiko

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Are you 100% certain that a September 09 backup is safe?

"Gartner remains concerned that viruses and worms will continue to attack IIS until Microsoft has released a completely rewritten, thoroughly and publicly tested, new release of IIS," the report says.

The difference, real or perceived, is enough that sites are going out of their way to choose Apache.

Only ONE post and their server is toast!

Oh Noes! They're actually running Linux.

Fellow Cowards !

This site seems like a hoax site for me. It was not hosted by microsoft at all...

Check this http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /xbetas.com

A Netcraft survey shows most Fortune 100 companies use Solaris, not MS Windows. Also, remember, one Solaris server typically equals several MS Windows servers (a server farm or farms).

Yes MS OSs have issues with viruses and other security holes but if the MAC OS or *nix was the huge commonly used OS it would have the same problems so please get of the MS bashing bandwagon.

Yes MS OSs have issues with viruses and other security holes but if the MAC OS or *nix was the huge commonly used OS it would have the same problems so please get of the MS bashing bandwagon.

"warns the biggest test will be whether it can demonstrate the necessary performance and security to function as a data centre server for mission-critical applications."

That statement has to be coming from the completely clueless.

I'd say that this happened 5 years AGO:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/09/05/septe mber_2005_web_server_survey.html

Anything Gartner says about Windows and Linux has to be taken with a grain of salt. A very large grain at that. How can you trust anything that a company that's been paid by Microsoft once to say anything realistic about a Microsoft competitor? I mean, if linux isn't "mature" why is it already in so many networks? I don't know a single ISP that doesn't have atleast ONE linux server. Even those ISPs that are Windows based still has atleast one linux box somewhere. For that matter, why are so many Unix boxes being replaced with Linux? I personally have replaced 2 Windows servers for clients with Linux in the past 6 months. My ISP, though small, has moved from 12 Windows servers to 4 Linux boxes and 1 Windows. But of course it's not stable enough to handle the work? I was getting hacked on a monthly basis with the Windows NT servers. And the remaining server got nailed by the zotob virus even though I had applied the patch. But THIS is ready for the mainstream datacenter? I mean, c'mon. If it wasn't ready there wouldn't be so many Linux servers out there. What all of these "reports" fail to be able to take into consideration is all the White boxes out there. Or for that matter all the servers people have purchased with Windows or without OS all together that get wiped out and have Linux installed. I, for one, have gotten really tired of this kind of BS "news" since it's always putting Linux capabilities down, or DRASTICALLY misreported numbers. I mean.... http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_surve y.html Most servers running apache are Linux. Just kind of tired of this misinformation.

... facts are facts. ;)

FreeBSD:
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (Jun 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (Jun 2004)
"[FreeBSD] has secured a strong foothold with the hosting community and continues to grow, gaining over a million hostnames and half a million active sites since July 2003."
What's New in the FreeBSD Network Stack (Sep 2004)
"FreeBSD can now route 1Mpps on a 2.8GHz Xeon whilst Linux can't do much more than 100kpps."

NetBSD:
NetBSD, for When Portability and Stability Matter (Oct 2004)
NetBSD sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (May 2004)
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (Sep 2004)

OpenBSD:
OpenBSD Widens Its Scope (Nov 2004)
Review: OpenBSD 3.6 shows steady improvement (Nov 2004)
OpenSSH (OpenBSD subproject) has become a de facto Internet standard.

*BSD in general:
Deep study: The world's safest computing environment (Nov 2004)
"The world's safest and most secure 24/7 online computing environment - operating system plus applications - is proving to be the Open Source platform of BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) and the Mac OS X based on Darwin."
BSD Success Stories (O'Reilly, 2004) (pdf) ~ from Onlamp BSD DevCenter
"The BSDs - FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and others - have earned a reputation for stability, security, performance, and ease of administration."
..and last but not least, we have the cutest mascot as well - undisputedly. ;)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2 F%2Fwww.fema.gov

according to this link their site is running linux but yet they require internet explorer.

are they retarded or what?

gee - lets make the web a client server application just like the 80's.

what fricken idiots

I wish someone would bring a lawsuit.

OK, so it aparently DOES run linix, but like OP noted, it sure has taken a slashdotting in stride..

Netcraft Results

http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http:/ /www.salt.ac.za

Linux Apache/2.0.52 Fedora

A smoking pile of linux slag or a smoking pile of windows slag - it's still a smoking pile of slag...

Condolences carnun.