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Do you know what's sad?
http://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=W
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Re:Healthy competition
Wouldn't it be just easier to use no prefixes and have it magically work on all browsers?
If they're competent developers worth their salt, they'll list the nonstandard prefixes first, followed by the standard supported so things degrade gracefully. Its not like management likes to spend more money than they have to on things, even if it means brittle software. Done in by their own greed? Web development is further from traditional software development than closer and the quality variations attest to the low barriers to entry.
THe point of the story was how great it would be if Webkit owned a HUGE part of the market and how MS will benefit and how webmasters would be happy
How great is it is where we are presently at. It's not about developers being happy, it's about users. Without users buying these products/using software with rich features (because there is a market for them) there wouldn't be services offered for them. Why do users use it (Safari, Chrome)? Because it does what they want (in most cases) better than the competition. Competition is great for the end user because better products are created. Competition is what stopped the cluster fuck from the last decade which Microsoft is still playing catch-up on. Until they've got one of the top 3 positions with their latest browser wouldn't you agree that they're still playing catch up?
Perhaps the reason people use webkit is because it is what comes with their tablets and phones and works everyone? Not because they love it.
I made no claims about love, simply choice. Mobile phones are not bastions of choice, they're the exact opposite of general purpose computers, apples to oranges. Microsoft is late to the party and as such must make extra effort to woo people from entrenched players. Additionally there aren't any 3rd party browser choices on Microsofts platform either. Perhaps if they had moved faster they would've be like BSD to Linux. Your comment ignores the larger desktop market which presently still offers more flexibility software wise. For the sake of argument let's look at Statcounter metrics. Mobile platform market share in the US is split between iPhone and Android. Mobile browser market share lists Safari, Android Browser, and Opera Mini as the top 3 showing how much of an outlier these alternative browsers really are and should illuminate developers and clients support priorities. Most of the companies I've been at, ~10% or less of the market and management decrees we don't make a concerted effort, it's great if it does, but it's not a priority. We're not alone in this either.
So my point is to learn from your mistakes. Not repeat them and the more engines and adherence to a uniform way of functioning the better.
Even better, learn from the mistakes of others. The mistakes you're referring to should be attributed to the web developers, not the vendors, as the browsers support standards. Much like the situation where shoddily programmed applications require administrator rights to function and Microsoft incorrectly getting the ire of users when the developers are at fault for failing to follow proper coding conventions. Tools (markup) when wielded properly with experience and skill enable great things.
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Re:Perfect Example
I never said they were a maps monopoly. They are close to a search monopoly though.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=4
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Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play
http://www.zdnet.com/ios-users-generate-twice-as-much-web-traffic-as-android-users-7000008292/
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=1
Honestly I thought this was pretty common knowledge around the techy community. -
Re:Apple has a big card they have yet to play
Currently Google is pre-selected as the search engine for iOS devices. We all know Google hardly makes a dime from Android directly - they are an advertising company. Google ironically makes more money from iOS due to the higher usage of iOS devices around the world (and, in turn, more ad impressions).
Are you smoking fucking rock?
— Android (Google Inc.) — 104.8 million units, 68.1 percent share (46.9 percent a year earlier)
— iOS (Apple Inc.'s iPhone) — 26.0 million units, 16.9 percent share (18.8 percent a year earlier)
Get your facts straight, jesus christ.
I said usage marketshare, which has nothing to do with device marketshare.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=1
Hell even the Slashdot website has 30% more iOS devices than Android.
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/12/04/2125239/android-rules-smartphones-but-which-version -
Re:It's a placebo
When looking at global marketshare for all devices (tablet, mobile, and desktop), Windows still comes in with 83% market share. Windows 8, released only 45 days ago, already runs on 25% more devices than the leading Android version (Gingerbread). In fact, it's set to surpass all of Android (coming in at a total of 2.45%, including Kindle Fire) very shortly. Only 10 days after release, Windows 8 surpassed all of Android in web traffic. So yes, Android sells a lot. But so does Windows, even today in this "post desktop" world everyone keeps insisting is upon us.
Honestly, I don't like comparing desktop to mobile, and lumping tablets, phones, and desktops/laptops into the same market share category; it feels very apples to oranges. But if you insist on asking the question "Is Microsoft/Windows still relevant given Android's success?" the answer is still a resounding "Yes."
Finally, you can call Android as "Linux" all you want, but the fact is that Android is successful on phones for all the reasons Microsoft Windows is on Desktops, and has nothing to do with the merits of FOSS software. It has broad corporate support (read: warranties), ample marketing, a thriving app ecosystem, and can be sold direct to customers on a variety of hardware platforms. The fact that Android is free and open source means nothing to the consumer. Absolutely nothing. -
Re:Not sure...
Back in 2007, there were an estimate of 1 billion Windows PCs in the world. I am pretty sure with 200 million Notebooks being sold each year (not to mention desktops, etc), this number has ince increased.
Also, if you look at the raw stats:
http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+8&qpcustomb=0
There is quite a curvature upwards, so maybe there is some sale to use latency? -
Re:wtf
RTFA. It is from NetApplications, no location filters:
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
Win7 = 44.71%
WinXP = 39.82%
Win Vista = 5.70%
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Linux desktop share
The data appears to indicate Linux desktop usage is higher than indicated by stats like netmarketshare.com http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=0 as the Humble Bundle data appears to show that Linux users are closer to Mac users in numbers http://support.humblebundle.com/customer/portal/articles/281031-prior-bundle-statistics How can Canonical and Linux desktop users in general do better with demonstrating their OS preference and real world usage to vendors?
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And should we care about the desktop?
Linux is a huge success in mobile. Linux is a huge success in servers (and Ubuntu in particular seems to be doing very well in servers, congratulations).
But Linux on the desktop seems to be going nowhere fast as far as market share is concerned.
In your opinion, what would have to happen in order for Linux to start gaining ground in the desktop?
And, is there any point in dedicating resources to breaking into the traditional desktop market in light of the growth of non-traditional computing devices, especially considering Linux/Android's success on those devices?
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How to succeed on the desktop?
Linux is a huge success in mobile. Linux is a huge success in servers (and Ubuntu in particular seems to be doing very well in servers, congratulations).
But Linux on the desktop seems to be going nowhere fast as far as market share is concerned.
In your opinion, what would have to happen in order for Linux to start gaining ground in the desktop?
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As a developer, usage matters to me
iOS apps make me more than my Android apps. One primary reason is iOS users actually use their devices far more than Android users.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=1
Fact is most Android phones are the low-price, low-margin variety that are used almost exclusively for texting. -
By The Numbers
I can tell you pretty much ONLY the SMBs use IE anymore around here and even many of them are moving away from IE
Statcounter Top 5 Browsers
Net Applications
Statcounter and Net Applications are in agreement that the IE browser remains a strong global competitor on the laptop/desktop. Net Applications draws its stats from sites which have deep penetration into the mass consumer market.
[FYI: Net Applications posts a
.41% share for Windows 8 and a 1% share for Linux. Not too shabby for an OS the geek claims no one is using.]w3schools
Note: W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use the browser that comes preinstalled with their computer, and do not seek out other browser alternatives.
Tip: Global averages may not be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old computers.
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Re:Hear that, Microsoft?
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Re:Still?
For what it's worth, according to Netmarketshare, http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0, Chrome on the desktop has not been gaining ground since early 2012. It's hovering at around 19%. IE is holding steady as well at around 53-54%, with Firefox staying at about 20%. Judging by the trend lines, I'd say that for the desktop markets these shares are entrenched. I don't expect to see much change unless FF, IE, or Chrome does a major screw up to drive people off their platforms.
Netmarketshare's report on mobile devices is very different. http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=1 Opera mini, Blackberry, and Symbian have been falling with Safari Mobile and Android browsers picking up the slack. Interestingly enough, it doesn't look like the iPad2 back in April really affected the mobile browser shares at all.
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Re:Still?
For what it's worth, according to Netmarketshare, http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0, Chrome on the desktop has not been gaining ground since early 2012. It's hovering at around 19%. IE is holding steady as well at around 53-54%, with Firefox staying at about 20%. Judging by the trend lines, I'd say that for the desktop markets these shares are entrenched. I don't expect to see much change unless FF, IE, or Chrome does a major screw up to drive people off their platforms.
Netmarketshare's report on mobile devices is very different. http://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=1 Opera mini, Blackberry, and Symbian have been falling with Safari Mobile and Android browsers picking up the slack. Interestingly enough, it doesn't look like the iPad2 back in April really affected the mobile browser shares at all.
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Re:Wow
Awww...did the poor wittle FOSSie fail to find even a SINGLE CITATION to line up with his delusions? While I can easily provide multiple citations to back myself up? See that is what happens when one has REALITY on one's side, we don't have to call people names like shill, we can just provide proof to back up our assertions! And HOW is their assertion bogus? Because it doesn't fit in with your fairy dust plans? Welcome to REALITY! Do you have ANY proof their numbers are wrong? that wikipedia's numbers are wrong? Anything at all besides 'Linux is teh leet so it must be teh popular!"
But lets face it Alex, we ALL know the truth by now, your wittle name calling, you inability to back up a single thing you say with citations, your constant moving the goalposts, I think everyone here can plainly see that this is YOU and this is your impotent nerd rage
Tell me Alex, which one looks most like you? I bet the one in the beanie, yep right about your speed.
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Re:Wow
Are you stoned? or just being funny? Linux has a 1.05% market share in consumer segment which means you're more likely to stub your toe walking down the stairs today than find a Linux user. Make it clear so you don't try moving the goalposts we are NOT talking about routers, cellphones, or servers, this is a CONSUMER CHIP and with a market share THAT low frankly it wouldn't be worth manufacturing if it is gonna target such a teeny tiny niche.
Oh and since you apparently don't even have a clue about APUs? Little information...AMD has made it clear they will NEVER release the code for UVD, because that code is also tied into HDCP which means they can't divulge it for risk of getting blacklisted by Windows which as you can plainly see from the chart would lock them out of over 80% of the market, over 90% if you remove the ARM chips AMD don't sell. So if you were to actually put your 1.05% niche OS on that chip? Then NO HARDWARE ACCELERATION which is one of the biggest reason to own one of these chips in the first place!
So before you start calling someone a troll and try pushing your niche OS? might want to try reading. Reading is fundamental..but not for zealots I guess.
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Re:Wow
Linux has 1.05% consumer market share so if AMD is counting on Linux to keep them afloat? they might as well lock the doors. Oh and because they don't have the right to share code that could compromise HDCP you will NEVER EVER get the UVD video decoder code under FOSS, AMD has already said they won't open it. So you have to either use Catalyst and hope AMD continues to put out drivers (which considering they stop on the Windows side at 4 years I wouldn't hold my breath) or you can give up accelerated video.
Sorry Merlin but as others here have posted a bazillion times if you want to use Linux you use Intel+Nvidia you do NOT use AMD, not the APUs/GPUs at least.
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Re:First Intel, now AMD?
Websites are all fanboys, actual DEVELOPERS OF THE FUCKING PRODUCTS are "reference to authority"...do you realize that you have done EXACTLY like a religious loonie and made little logic hoops that no sane and rational argument can possible contradict? Hmmm...where have I heard this before? Oh that's right its the circle of the loon which is so fricking old its one of the first TMs. Congrats on sticking with the classic Alex.
Enjoy your crazy you fricking FOSSie, pretend the numbers don't suck balls which for a product that has been given away FREE FOR TWENTY YEARS is almost laughably pathetic, but of course i'm sure you'll talk about all the invisible people that aren't counted, or come up with some lame ass excuse about how the air traffic controllers in Zimbabwe use linux (like anybody gives a shit or that it has shit to do with desktops) but you go right back to living that delusion Alex...oh and watch out for the black choppers.
BTW if you want to see how the world sees YOU personally? Here you go which give the Penny Arcade guys credit, they fucking NAILED the typical FOSSie, basement dwelling and all.
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Re:It's not broken.
Why do you go to a doctor? why don't you go to med school and DIY dumbass? Because THAT is how fricking stupid that argument is, like I should have to go spend 4 years to get a comp-sci degree or pay out the ass, which BTW we are talking millions of dollars, just to get the devs to show even a tiny amount of common sense. BTW that is excuse #7 on the list so if you are gonna trot out the classic please go to TM repo and just use the list, thanks.
Oooor...I can do like the rest of the planet, spend a whole $40 for Windows or buy a new Mac and have a hassle free computer...see the problem friend? if you want your OS to remain at 1.05% which for a product being given away gratis against two products that cost actual money is just pathetic, then please, by all means, be as fiddly and big a PITA as you wanna be. But don't come whining and bitching about how 'Ohhh, they won't give us the code! Waah, they won't support us! Boo, its a conspiracy to keep real software off of Linux!" because the rest of us will just laugh and walk away.
In the end you have a PRODUCT, there is a MARKET and in that market you have COMPETITION, if you want to be a hobbyist OS? Then please STFU and be one already! But quit bitching that nobody will take your fiddly OS if you refuse to give the customer what they want because frankly it makes you and the rest of the community look batshit.
Just to make it perfectly clear i'll bold this so you can't miss it The world won't do things YOUR way, you have to do things THEIR way and its as simple as that. The world doesn't give a rat's ass about how bleeding edge your damned kernel is, nor do they give a wet fart about "the power of CLI" which just FYI a primitive GUI and NOT the force, mmmkay?
BTW what do Best Buy, MSI, Asus, walmart, and me have in common? We are ALL retailers who bought into your bullshit only to find a broken OS and now won't allow it into our stores, so its not like I'm alone, in fact I'm in good company I'd say.
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Re:Flamebait
Actually, if you check the article's source, the comparison is only between desktop OS's. Going further and checking the numbers on OS share between desktop, mobile, and console, Windows has an outright 83% share (between all versions) of ALL OS's. Mac comes in second at 7%, beating out iOS in third at 6%. Android and Linux combined is 3% (Android 2% and Linux 1%).
Just to add some perspective to the numbers, Windows Phone has 0.06% of the OS market while the Nintendo Wii has less than 0.01% (and the only one of the three current gen on the list). So, the biggest flop in the smartphone business still has more units in the wild than the most successful video game console.
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Re:A Review?
Really? My 8 year old PC runs just fine on Win 7, as does my nearly 5 year old desktop and now 2 year old laptop. Whether you wish to accept it or not thing HAVE gotten better, more power efficiency , less waste heat, but you trot out some CCC (Cheapo Chinese Crap) that wasn't supported by the actual manufacturer and think that proves...what? that Linux devs really looove their dumpster diving?
Since you won't listen to me, how about listening to an actual Linux developer at Red hat no less, who says the desktop is "suckage" and in its death throes? Here you go friend or how about a list of over 200 serious breakages in Linux, complete with links to every. single. one. will that be enough? Here it is help thyself.
But keep right on deluding yourself into believing that supporting some old rare POS hardware that nobody owns nor cares about (including the OEM who has long abandoned it) makes your platform worthwhile, manwhile your OS is STILL stuck at 0.97 after 20 damned years of being given away. 20 years of being 100% free and that's the BEST you can do? If that doesn't smack you with a cluebat that Linux is going down the wrong path then frankly nothing short of Jesus descending from a cloud to smite Linus Torvalds will.
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Re:They need to innovate
Dude, let go of the crack pipe. Would you like to see the data for yourself? By cutting out XP,Vista, and 7 you are losing 83.24% of the market and the rest of the market? Apple products which don't use AMD chips. Might want to look at where Linux is on that chart friend, its at....0.97%.
Now if you think a global chip company can survive by giving the finger to 83% of the market and catering to 0.97% of the market I have some magic beans you might be interested in, blessed by RMS himself I swear!
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Re:Before someone is accepted, it's not accepted,
Got my numbers from here: http://www.netmarketshare.com/
What's your source?
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Re:Woah, you need to rethink your figures there.
Again - my numbers came from here: http://www.netmarketshare.com/
Do you have a source for your numbers?
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Re:Before someone is accepted, it's not accepted,
Good catch!
Got my numbers from here: http://www.netmarketshare.com/
Probably some kind of round-up error...
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Re:Grow Up Already
Enough with the personal attacks on Carmack. He's not the issue, the marketplace is. 15 years after it first appeared, desktop Linux has shown no sign of grabbing more than a tiny fraction of the market. Catering to that tiny fraction is not a sound business model, for game companies or anybody else.
Enough with the personal attacks on Carmack. He's not the issue, the marketplace is. 15 years after it first appeared, desktop Linux has shown no sign of grabbing more than a tiny fraction of the market. Catering to that tiny fraction is not a sound business model, for game companies or anybody else.
Windows sponsored games, and had a singular platform that at least somewhat retroactively supported thier old DOS installes and games and apps. Linux supports most things (except of late theres a big push to remove legacy non-3D accelerated systems), but apparently users apparently have such a fargmented 'market', that games arent developed for. MS countered this with DirectX. SDL does the same/similar, and version two is almost there. Its all a game really needs to support after GL.
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Re:Grow Up Already
Enough with the personal attacks on Carmack. He's not the issue, the marketplace is. 15 years after it first appeared, desktop Linux has shown no sign of grabbing more than a tiny fraction of the market. Catering to that tiny fraction is not a sound business model, for game companies or anybody else.
Enough with the personal attacks on Carmack. He's not the issue, the marketplace is. 15 years after it first appeared, desktop Linux has shown no sign of grabbing more than a tiny fraction of the market. Catering to that tiny fraction is not a sound business model, for game companies or anybody else.
Windows sponsored games, and had a singular platform that at least somewhat retroactively supported thier old DOS installes and games and apps. Linux supports most things (except of late theres a big push to remove legacy non-3D accelerated systems), but apparently users apparently have such a fargmented 'market', that games arent developed for. MS countered this with DirectX. SDL does the same/similar, and version two is almost there. Its all a game really needs to support after GL.
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Firefox Bouncing Back
The last two months Firefox's browser share has increased according to netmarketshare.com. Now this article uses StatCounter stats and eyeballing the chart it looks like Firefox's share has been mostly flat since January according to StatCounter. The point being is the slide I believe has stopped or at the worse lessened to next to nothing. The article talks blames the slide on communication and execution. The author likely has a point there, but I think things are no longer as dire as he makes them out to be. Another reason for the slide is Google advertising the Chrome Browser. I think that also has hurt Firefox and there is not much they can do about it. I believe the slide has ended or is ending.
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Grow Up Already
Enough with the personal attacks on Carmack. He's not the issue, the marketplace is. 15 years after it first appeared, desktop Linux has shown no sign of grabbing more than a tiny fraction of the market. Catering to that tiny fraction is not a sound business model, for game companies or anybody else.
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Re:Huge initial release does not mean sucess
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qpcustomb=*1
Take a simple example: OSX share June 2012.
10.4 3%
10.5 (Oct 2007) 12%
10.6 (Aug 2009) 38%
10.7 (July 2011) 47%Conversely on Windows
XP 47%
Vista (Jan 2007) 7%
Windows 7 (July 2009) 45%In other words almost 1/2 of all Mac users had upgraded their OS within the last 11 mo. 10.6 and Windows 7 are about the same age 85% of Mac users were that far updates as contrasted with 45% of windows users. Almost 1/2 of Windows users use an OS older than 5 years as contrasted with 3% of mac users.
Because Macs are so much more expensive than PCs their users historically did not upgrade as often.
Not true. Mac users upgrade their hardware more often. They may brag about being able to use their old computers but in practice they don't.
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Re:What was the point of testing?
This is the graph you were looking for: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0
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Re:Old IE vs everything else
Yes, Corporate is different. And definitely isn't the same as looking at W3Schools. W3Schools is for the newbie webdeveloper.
The folks at NetMarketShare (who count marketshare by visitors):
Internet Explorer 54.02%
Firefox 20.06%
Chrome 19.08%
Safari: 4.73%
Opera: 1.60%
Other: 0.51%http://netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0
They also claim IE6 has a bigger marketshare than IE7:
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 5.92%
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7.0 3.10%http://netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0
Statcounter (who count marketshare by pageviews):
Chrome 34.61%
Firefox 5+ 21.75%
(it does not tell us about Firefox 4 users)
Firefox 3.6 1.22%
(it does not tell us about earlier versions of Firefox)
IE6 0.46%
IE7 1.05%
IE8 11.55%
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Re:Old IE vs everything else
Yes, Corporate is different. And definitely isn't the same as looking at W3Schools. W3Schools is for the newbie webdeveloper.
The folks at NetMarketShare (who count marketshare by visitors):
Internet Explorer 54.02%
Firefox 20.06%
Chrome 19.08%
Safari: 4.73%
Opera: 1.60%
Other: 0.51%http://netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0
They also claim IE6 has a bigger marketshare than IE7:
Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 5.92%
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7.0 3.10%http://netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2&qpcustomd=0
Statcounter (who count marketshare by pageviews):
Chrome 34.61%
Firefox 5+ 21.75%
(it does not tell us about Firefox 4 users)
Firefox 3.6 1.22%
(it does not tell us about earlier versions of Firefox)
IE6 0.46%
IE7 1.05%
IE8 11.55%
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Re:What was the point of testing?
Microsoft is down to 85% OS market share.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10
Remember when IE completely owned the browser market and Netscape died? Somehow they completely lost that market. Windows won't lose all their market share overnight, but all the Fortune 500 companies I've worked for have started integrating Apple more and more over the years. If Microsoft keeps making missteps, and alienating the enterprise market with Metro on the desktop, then that share can continue to drop.
OEMs sold XP downgrades when Vista came out to avoid Vista. Microsoft counted those as Vista licenses and called Vista a success, but deep down I think everyone knows better. I'm not sure people will be rushing out to buy Windows 8, and enterprise shops likely won't buy Windows 8 licenses.
Sitting right next to me at work is perhaps the biggest Microsoft fanboi I've ever met, and he just swapped out his Windows desktop for a Macbook Pro.
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Re:Sheesh
Apple's market share is 66% for all personal computers sold in stores for more than $1,000. In addition, Apple's market share as been increasing as sales of PCs as a whole have been dropping.
Are you serious? Those are sales figures (sold new at retail stores in first quarter 2008 for over $1000), not usage figures. You're not talking about what's being used in the market, just what was sold during the first quarter - OF 2008! - and even then you're only considering retail stores and $1000+ computers, where the average PC cost is $650. So not only are your sales figures irrelevant to a discussion about usage share, but they're cherrypicked to such a ridiculous level that they're not even relevant as overall sales figures. That's like saying a large percentage of the cars on the road are Cadillacs because, in June of 2010, they sold the most domestic cars that cost more than $40k. Most cars cost less than that new, many cars aren't bought from domestic dealerships, and most of the cars on the road aren't new or weren't bought new in that time period. Likewise, most computers don't cost that much, many of them aren't bought from retail stores, and there are more computers out there than what was bought new in the first quarter of 2008.
The GP's point was that Mac's desktop OS market share is less than 10%. And that's not only true, but it's generous - as of 5/2012, they've got about 6.5%. Like it was mentioned earlier, less than Vista. -
Fortune 100/500 & academia data say otherwise
"We should remember that >60% of servers run Linux, versus Windows. - by krslynx (1632027) on Friday May 25, @08:50PM (#40116303) Homepage
Sure, sure (sarcasm): Perhaps because it is "ZERO COST" (up front only) vs. a paid for OS... that'd be about it, though!
Now, facts:
OVER 1/2 OF THE "TOP 100 FORTUNE 100/500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" BELOW USE WINDOWS, over Linux (or, other solutions)
(It's easy enough to produce them because of Windows overall marketshare/mindshare being 85-94++% to 1.29% for Linux for example (& MacOS X taking up the rest) on Servers + PC's combined, worldwide... see here -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 [netmarketshare.com] )
Each of the companies listed below are HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE COMPANIES using Windows Server setups for MANY YEARS, successfully...
Linux gets MOSTLY used @ smallfry sites because they can't afford higher quality Windows stuff like big companies above obviously can! There's more smallfries out there, thus, Open "SORES" tries to "claim that as a victory" (lol, not). it's illusory b.s. typical
/. FUD!(Funniest part is, that despite being FREE, linux defied business logic & couldn't get more than 1.29% of the desktop PC market even when GIVEN AWAY, lol -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
ANYHOW/ANYWAYS even though they won't ALL fit here? Here goes:
367++ TOP FORTUNE 100/500 (or best 100 to work for per CNN Money) COMPANIES, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, &/or GOVERNMENT AGENCIES USING WINDOWS (over other solutions like Linux) both in HIGH TPM ENVIRONS, & FROM "TOP 100 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" & more, from academia environs too (per CNN Money 2011):
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38 HIGH TPM & 99.999% "uptime" examples:
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XEROX: Managing 7++ million transactions a day for office devices for its customers using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 64-bit with 99.999% uptime!
NASDAQ: The U.S.' LARGEST STOCK EXCHANGE, Since 2005 has had Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters running the "official trade data dissemination system" for them in 24x7 fabled "5-9's" 99.999% uptime, doing 64,000 transactions PER SECOND (compare London Stock Exchange using Linux @ 3,000 per second)
FUJIFILM GROUP: Tracks data for its imaging, information, & documentation for its products & services using Windows Server 2003 w/ a custom SAP solution on SQLServer 2005, achieving 99.999% uptime.
HILTON HOTELS: Manages 1.4 Billion records a day for customers in 1000's of their hotels worldwide - for 370,000 rooms & catering services forecasts (switching from 6 *NIX systems to 1 Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 clustered failover system using a data warehouse with 7 million rows & 99.998% uptime).
MEDITERRANEAN SHIPPING COMPANY: Manages & Tracks 7 million containers out of 116 countries daily using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters with 99.999% uptime.
SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES: Serves 70 airport destinations worldwide, with 6,500 employees + 110 branch offices via Windows Server 2003 & Active Directory with 99.95% uptime (all while growing their business 30% per year). THEIR PREVIOUS LINUX SYSTEM COULD ONLY HANDLE 250 concurrent users - the Windows one handles over 500++ users concurrently/simultaneously!
UNILEVER: Global consumer good leader, migrated to mySAP on SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003 & scaled UP their operations by over 200% & yet saved money + have 99.999% uptime!
MOTOROLA: Using System Management Server, Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005 to co
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Fortune 100/500 & academia data say otherwise
"We should remember that >60% of servers run Linux, versus Windows. - by krslynx (1632027) on Friday May 25, @08:50PM (#40116303) Homepage
Sure, sure (sarcasm): Perhaps because it is "ZERO COST" (up front only) vs. a paid for OS... that'd be about it, though!
Now, facts:
OVER 1/2 OF THE "TOP 100 FORTUNE 100/500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" BELOW USE WINDOWS, over Linux (or, other solutions)
(It's easy enough to produce them because of Windows overall marketshare/mindshare being 85-94++% to 1.29% for Linux for example (& MacOS X taking up the rest) on Servers + PC's combined, worldwide... see here -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 [netmarketshare.com] )
Each of the companies listed below are HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE COMPANIES using Windows Server setups for MANY YEARS, successfully...
Linux gets MOSTLY used @ smallfry sites because they can't afford higher quality Windows stuff like big companies above obviously can! There's more smallfries out there, thus, Open "SORES" tries to "claim that as a victory" (lol, not). it's illusory b.s. typical
/. FUD!(Funniest part is, that despite being FREE, linux defied business logic & couldn't get more than 1.29% of the desktop PC market even when GIVEN AWAY, lol -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
ANYHOW/ANYWAYS even though they won't ALL fit here? Here goes:
367++ TOP FORTUNE 100/500 (or best 100 to work for per CNN Money) COMPANIES, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, &/or GOVERNMENT AGENCIES USING WINDOWS (over other solutions like Linux) both in HIGH TPM ENVIRONS, & FROM "TOP 100 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" & more, from academia environs too (per CNN Money 2011):
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38 HIGH TPM & 99.999% "uptime" examples:
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XEROX: Managing 7++ million transactions a day for office devices for its customers using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 64-bit with 99.999% uptime!
NASDAQ: The U.S.' LARGEST STOCK EXCHANGE, Since 2005 has had Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters running the "official trade data dissemination system" for them in 24x7 fabled "5-9's" 99.999% uptime, doing 64,000 transactions PER SECOND (compare London Stock Exchange using Linux @ 3,000 per second)
FUJIFILM GROUP: Tracks data for its imaging, information, & documentation for its products & services using Windows Server 2003 w/ a custom SAP solution on SQLServer 2005, achieving 99.999% uptime.
HILTON HOTELS: Manages 1.4 Billion records a day for customers in 1000's of their hotels worldwide - for 370,000 rooms & catering services forecasts (switching from 6 *NIX systems to 1 Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 clustered failover system using a data warehouse with 7 million rows & 99.998% uptime).
MEDITERRANEAN SHIPPING COMPANY: Manages & Tracks 7 million containers out of 116 countries daily using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters with 99.999% uptime.
SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES: Serves 70 airport destinations worldwide, with 6,500 employees + 110 branch offices via Windows Server 2003 & Active Directory with 99.95% uptime (all while growing their business 30% per year). THEIR PREVIOUS LINUX SYSTEM COULD ONLY HANDLE 250 concurrent users - the Windows one handles over 500++ users concurrently/simultaneously!
UNILEVER: Global consumer good leader, migrated to mySAP on SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003 & scaled UP their operations by over 200% & yet saved money + have 99.999% uptime!
MOTOROLA: Using System Management Server, Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005 to co
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Try Fortune 100-500 & more...
"We should remember that >60% of servers run Linux, versus Windows." - by krslynx (1632027) on Friday May 25, @08:50PM (#40116303) Homepage
Sure, sure (sarcasm): Perhaps because it is "ZERO COST" (up front only) vs. a paid for OS... that'd be about it, & OVER 1/2 OF THE "TOP 100 FORTUNE 100/500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" BELOW USE WINDOWS, over Linux (or, other solutions)
(It's easy enough to produce them because of Windows overall marketshare/mindshare being 85-94++% to 1.29% for Linux for example (& MacOS X taking up the rest) on Servers + PC's combined, worldwide... see here -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
Each of the companies listed below are HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE COMPANIES using Windows Server setups for MANY YEARS, successfully...
Linux gets MOSTLY used @ smallfry sites because they can't afford higher quality Windows stuff like big companies above obviously can! There's more smallfries out there, thus, Open "SORES" tries to "claim that as a victory" (lol, not). it's illusory b.s. typical
/. FUD!(Funniest part is, that despite being FREE, linux defied business logic & couldn't get more than 1.29% of the desktop PC market even when GIVEN AWAY, lol -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
ANYHOW/ANYWAYS even though they won't ALL fit here? Here goes:
367++ TOP FORTUNE 100/500 (or best 100 to work for per CNN Money) COMPANIES, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, &/or GOVERNMENT AGENCIES USING WINDOWS (over other solutions like Linux) both in HIGH TPM ENVIRONS, & FROM "TOP 100 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" (per CNN Money 2011):
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38 HIGH TPM & 99.999% "uptime" examples:
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XEROX: Managing 7++ million transactions a day for office devices for its customers using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 64-bit with 99.999% uptime!
NASDAQ: The U.S.' LARGEST STOCK EXCHANGE, Since 2005 has had Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters running the "official trade data dissemination system" for them in 24x7 fabled "5-9's" 99.999% uptime, doing 64,000 transactions PER SECOND (compare London Stock Exchange using Linux @ 3,000 per second)
FUJIFILM GROUP: Tracks data for its imaging, information, & documentation for its products & services using Windows Server 2003 w/ a custom SAP solution on SQLServer 2005, achieving 99.999% uptime.
HILTON HOTELS: Manages 1.4 Billion records a day for customers in 1000's of their hotels worldwide - for 370,000 rooms & catering services forecasts (switching from 6 *NIX systems to 1 Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 clustered failover system using a data warehouse with 7 million rows & 99.998% uptime).
MEDITERRANEAN SHIPPING COMPANY: Manages & Tracks 7 million containers out of 116 countries daily using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters with 99.999% uptime.
SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES: Serves 70 airport destinations worldwide, with 6,500 employees + 110 branch offices via Windows Server 2003 & Active Directory with 99.95% uptime (all while growing their business 30% per year). THEIR PREVIOUS LINUX SYSTEM COULD ONLY HANDLE 250 concurrent users - the Windows one handles over 500++ users concurrently/simultaneously!
UNILEVER: Global consumer good leader, migrated to mySAP on SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003 & scaled UP their operations by over 200% & yet saved money + have 99.999% uptime!
MOTOROLA: Using System Management Server, Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005 to conduct inventory of 65,000 desktops from a single location (e.g. for system updates c
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Try Fortune 100-500 & more...
"We should remember that >60% of servers run Linux, versus Windows." - by krslynx (1632027) on Friday May 25, @08:50PM (#40116303) Homepage
Sure, sure (sarcasm): Perhaps because it is "ZERO COST" (up front only) vs. a paid for OS... that'd be about it, & OVER 1/2 OF THE "TOP 100 FORTUNE 100/500 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" BELOW USE WINDOWS, over Linux (or, other solutions)
(It's easy enough to produce them because of Windows overall marketshare/mindshare being 85-94++% to 1.29% for Linux for example (& MacOS X taking up the rest) on Servers + PC's combined, worldwide... see here -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
Each of the companies listed below are HIGHLY PRODUCTIVE COMPANIES using Windows Server setups for MANY YEARS, successfully...
Linux gets MOSTLY used @ smallfry sites because they can't afford higher quality Windows stuff like big companies above obviously can! There's more smallfries out there, thus, Open "SORES" tries to "claim that as a victory" (lol, not). it's illusory b.s. typical
/. FUD!(Funniest part is, that despite being FREE, linux defied business logic & couldn't get more than 1.29% of the desktop PC market even when GIVEN AWAY, lol -> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=155 )
ANYHOW/ANYWAYS even though they won't ALL fit here? Here goes:
367++ TOP FORTUNE 100/500 (or best 100 to work for per CNN Money) COMPANIES, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, &/or GOVERNMENT AGENCIES USING WINDOWS (over other solutions like Linux) both in HIGH TPM ENVIRONS, & FROM "TOP 100 COMPANIES TO WORK FOR" (per CNN Money 2011):
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38 HIGH TPM & 99.999% "uptime" examples:
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XEROX: Managing 7++ million transactions a day for office devices for its customers using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 64-bit with 99.999% uptime!
NASDAQ: The U.S.' LARGEST STOCK EXCHANGE, Since 2005 has had Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters running the "official trade data dissemination system" for them in 24x7 fabled "5-9's" 99.999% uptime, doing 64,000 transactions PER SECOND (compare London Stock Exchange using Linux @ 3,000 per second)
FUJIFILM GROUP: Tracks data for its imaging, information, & documentation for its products & services using Windows Server 2003 w/ a custom SAP solution on SQLServer 2005, achieving 99.999% uptime.
HILTON HOTELS: Manages 1.4 Billion records a day for customers in 1000's of their hotels worldwide - for 370,000 rooms & catering services forecasts (switching from 6 *NIX systems to 1 Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 clustered failover system using a data warehouse with 7 million rows & 99.998% uptime).
MEDITERRANEAN SHIPPING COMPANY: Manages & Tracks 7 million containers out of 116 countries daily using Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2005 in failover clusters with 99.999% uptime.
SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES: Serves 70 airport destinations worldwide, with 6,500 employees + 110 branch offices via Windows Server 2003 & Active Directory with 99.95% uptime (all while growing their business 30% per year). THEIR PREVIOUS LINUX SYSTEM COULD ONLY HANDLE 250 concurrent users - the Windows one handles over 500++ users concurrently/simultaneously!
UNILEVER: Global consumer good leader, migrated to mySAP on SQLServer 2005 + Windows Server 2003 & scaled UP their operations by over 200% & yet saved money + have 99.999% uptime!
MOTOROLA: Using System Management Server, Windows Server 2003 & SQLServer 2005 to conduct inventory of 65,000 desktops from a single location (e.g. for system updates c
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Re:Preloading and employer filters
For Chrome, there is a related API that both NetMarketShare and StatCounter are using to figure out what is really happening.
http://netmarketshare.com/prerendering.aspx
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Re: Well enough?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=9
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Re:release the source?
Oh look, its a FOSSie, aka basement troll. How's the koolaid, is it cherry? You want some links on breakage? be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it and that is showing that one of the largest OEMs on the planet can't keep your craptastic OS running without having to do their own fricking fork!
This is why a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? want some more? Nice thing about having the truth on your side instead of religious dogma, i can do this alllll day long! How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses
And how about that "great" Linux security that is supposed to be why we should put up with all this horseshit? Get ready, here they come! Kinda makes that koolaid just a little bitter now, don't it? Now why would anybody care when they could get a Mac or Win 7 and not deal with all this lies and horseshit?
BTW if you'd like a little more food for thought, what OS was 3 of the 4 CAs running that were compromised? take a look and see. Maybe they just had bad configs? Surely someone with knowledge would be safe right? Guess again and its not a fluke by any means.
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Re:Microsoft Deserves It
They have a 90% share of the search market
http://www.netmarketshare.com/search-engine-market-share.aspx?qprid=4
Ok, if you factor in Baidu it's 82%.... WOW! that changes everything!!!!!!
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Re:When OS meant Computer
Macintosh has shrunk considerably in the past few years.
Not for the past year, at least according to NetMarketShare's statistics.
while Linux has continued to expand.
Expand its desktop/notebook presence, as that's what's being discussed here?
And isn't the latest "Mac" OS just a shell over BSD?
OS X is Darwin plus a very large amount of code atop it; Darwin is a Mach-and-BSD-derived OS, with a lot of Apple code in it in addition to the Mach and BSD code. If you're comparing it to "Linux", it's best compared with a desktop/notebook Linux distribution; one could call the code atop Darwin a "shell", but the "shell" is thicker than the Darwin "core" (more code), just as in, for example, Ubuntu, there is, as far as I know, more code in the desktop environment than in the "core OS" (Linux kernel, glibc, other non-GUI libraries, commands, and daemons).
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Re:Just installed
How EXACTLY is it offtopic to explain that a certain zealtry bunch is completely ignoring the topic? Fine lets use a
/. car analogy shall we? The TFA is about a new car GPS system and someone posts "I replaced the one in my Focus with this unit and it runs great" and so another poster asks "What makes this unit better than the one in your Focus" and suddenly a bunch of zealots pop in with "It works great in my Honda ricer herp derp".Now how EXACTLY is a question about the Ford Focus in ANY way shape or form require multiple comments about Honda ricers? Answer IT ISN'T but sadly FOSSies are like Moonies and can't STFU, even when the subject doesn't have a God damned thing to do with their crap. you got more time than money and want to waste it dumpster diving and forum hunting for fixes? that's cool, its your time to waste but do NOT waste everyopne else's time chiming in on subjects that have fuck all to do with your busted OS, kay. Nobody cares, your OS is lower than JavaME and will NEVER even crack the 10% mark EVAR. So let the grownups that actually have money talk occasionally, okay sparky? Go compile something as we are really sick about your harping on about your "freedoms" especially when you are running Windows at work and probably dual boot just to get shit done.
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By market share they are about even.
Okay, I just did some rough calculations on the support for HTML5 video codecs by browsers (source), weighted by browser market share (source via), including both desktop and mobile browsers. What I got was:
Theora: 41%
WebM: 37%
H.264: 41%
None: 40%
These numbers add up to more than 100% because some browsers support more than one codec. Looking at single codec support I get:
WebM and not H.264: 17%
H.264 and not WebM: 21%
What it amounts to is that FF + Opera(Desktop) have close to the same market share as IE9 + Safari (OSX & iOS), so they just about cancel each other out. IE9 market share is growing slowly (thanks to not supporting win XP), so there's still a couple of years for WebM to gain traction before declaring H.264 a sure winner for HTML5 video. -
Re:Development costs?
Thank you for living proof that FOSSies are batshit. you still think that I'm a guy that I can't even get along with and to this very day we don't agree on anything OTHER than the fact you're batshit? delusional much? but if its a pimp slapping of your craptastic OS you want, enjoy! See that's the nice thing about reality, while all you have is insults I have facts! Where are YOUR facts? oh right, they don't exist
:-(Get ready, here they come! Kinda makes that koolaid just a little bitter now, don't it? I believe in using the best tool for the job, but to say Linux is secure or better than any other complex OS is frankly bullshit. Hell I was talking to a 15 year Linux admin on one of the other sites that had gotten so sick of Linux fuckups they were going to BSD and if THAT didn't "just work" they were gonna wash their hands of FLOSS on the desktop and just go Mac.
BTW if you'd like a little more food for thought, what OS was 3 of the 4 CAs running that were compromised? take a look and see. Maybe they just had configs? Surely someone with knowledge would be safe right? Guess again and its not a fluke by any means.
Would you like some more reality? well here it comes! Isn't it sad, how like a frightened child afraid to look under the bed, you cower at the truth? if your driver model isn't shit then why does Dell have to run their own repos even though we are talking a teeny tiny subset of hardware? Oh right because Linux shits itself and dies if you use the default repos! Man that is some excellent product you got there! you think I can get better QA than the third largest OEM on the planet? What, you expect me to tell paying customers "Go to the forum, kiss some loser ass, and maybe, just maybe, in a few days someone will have mercy and give you a big pile of bullshit that may or may not make your sound work again"?
Bleeding yet douchey? want some more? nice thing about having the truth on your side, you can keep throwing punches all day! How about how a decade old Windows beat the shit out of Linux on netbooks or how ASUS has given up on your bullshit or how about Walmart running away from linux as fast as it can? You got the crazy koolaid drunk enough to say they ALL are paid shills because they won't do your forum dance or CLI horseshit? Meanwhile your "hero" Torvalds the great says Plans? We don't need no steenkin plans!. Why don't you tell them that at work next week, see how quick you get a pink slip? More? How about you actually have the balls to celebrate getting a whole 1% market share while you are actually lower than JavaME and there is a whole website dedicated To your bullshit and excuses
.You see you whiny little delusional mama's boy, I'm your worst fucking nightmare...a retaile
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Re:Signal to Microsoft?
Actually I gave up a nearly $100 an hour job for this one because i got tired of dealing with "multi platform" corporate crapfests where some PHB would see some tits of a salesgal and the next thing we knew we'd have to deal with thousands in shitty hardware or software they'd bought. Oh and really sorry to burst your bubble but...guess what? i'm actually typing on one of those systems now. the customer traded it in for a new triple core and it was such a low power unit I decided to keep it as a nettop. Its a circa 2004 Sempron, 1.5Gb of DDR, 200Gb SATA, and the same install of XP, I just cloned the old 80Gb onto the bigger drive..that's it.
You see THAT is what i find so funny, you'll jump through flaming hoops for your "free" OS but think even the most trivial of common sense, like don't open attachments or don't go to dodgy porn sites, must be too hard. hate to again burst your bubble (no I'm not) but frankly there are more than a dozen free AVs out there and pair ANY of those with any browser other than IE and the machine pretty much takes care of itself. it updates itself, defrags itself, protects itself...tell me, what do you think the odds of you getting even a 5 year old Linux up to current without a single forum hunt or CLI crapfest is? I'd say 0.0%. Hell i can install ANY version of Windows from 2K-Win 7 with nothing but a single disc and a shared folder, that's it. you see THIS is why I can charge so cheap because I get paid by the machine more often than by the hour and i can have 3 or 4 machines being installed and it requires ZERO effort, just pop in the disc, point at the shared folder on first boot, go have a sammich. Hell with Win 7 I even make money while just goofing off as any of my customers can just pop up a "Help me!" on my chat client and i can take over and install their software, walk them through hooking up that new printer, it takes minutes and its $35 a pop and they THANK ME for it.
In the end though the simple fact is the numbers don't lie and the BS you're pushing has been pushed so damned many times they actually have a website dedicated To Linux bullshit and excuses. In fact i can just take the top 20 from that site and cover every excuse and BS about FOSS that has been ever used on this site, sad really.
BTW if you'd like a little more food for thought, what OS was 3 of the 4 CAs running that were compromised not too long ago? take a look and see. Maybe they just had bad configs? Surely someone with knowledge would be safe right? Guess again and its not a fluke by any means. Oh and as for that much vaunted linux security, which you seem to think Windows can't possibly compare with? Get ready, but you're OS isn't doing so hot. In fact last time i checked Securina Linux had more critical rated vulnerabilities open than Win 2K3 or Win 2K8.