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"...does anyone know whether there is a web interface to this system and if so whether it existed before September 12, 1997?"
Here's a 1990 post discussing ISPF access using tn3270 (a 3270 terminal emulator running with tcp/ip transport) via the internet. And this 1996 press release announced Netscape's licensing of IBM's Host On-Demand, a Java-based tn3270 solution that provided 3270 terminal emulation for intranet and Web users and was integrated into Netscape 4.0.

Personally, I have an Indie game of my own invention. Although it doesn't take much thought, it does demand agility when using both a mouse and a keyboard with one hand at the same time. It's basic premise has to do with three open browser windows, the web site images.google.com, the text strings "angelina jolie" - "salma hayek" - "britney spears", a scroll mouse, and a big wad of tissue.

(As an aside, you might also be interested in the enhanced version of this game.)

There are alot of references to "M$N messenger" , but only a few about "Windows Messenger"

Searching for "disable windows messenger" Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 44,400. Search took 0.08 seconds.

Searching for "disable msn messenger" Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 29,100. Search took 0.15 seconds.


Aim isn't any better....

Or if you would like to record all aim usage

or just control what they can do...

uhh... STFU & RTFM ?

There are alot of references to "M$N messenger" , but only a few about "Windows Messenger"

Searching for "disable windows messenger" Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 44,400. Search took 0.08 seconds.

Searching for "disable msn messenger" Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 29,100. Search took 0.15 seconds.


Aim isn't any better....

Or if you would like to record all aim usage

or just control what they can do...

uhh... STFU & RTFM ?

his thing has the best IMAP support for windows of any mail client.

Howawah, IMAP still has a problem I find galling. The whole point is that you can check it from anywhere using all kinds of clients, right? The problem is with those (unspec-ed?) areas that each client finds fit to implement differently. So where Mozilla makes me a Trash folder, Mail.app makes Deleted Messages, SquirrelMail makes an INBOX.Trash, etc., ad nauseam. All on first connection before you even get a chance to configure them. And so the family complains about "all that junk in my profile".

(BTW I could swear I once saw a pref to change that Trash name in either Mozilla or Mail.app, which I can't find anymore. Anyone remember if/where that exists?)

A few months back (4-6 months ago not sure) I downloaded Netscape 4.5 I believe to try and work on website compatibility with it.

I've since lost the files and reinstalled Windows and needed to go get the files again for a new site compatibility problem. Well... just you go and find it now. They used to have a "Download Older Versions of Netscape" link or two. Now? Well if they are still there, they are well hidden. In fact, one link which has a link to a "Free Download" of 4.7 takes you straight to 7.1 download page.

This is beyond no longer developing Netscape. Removing old versions from the site? Excuse me?

Of course nothing is new in Netscape 6.2. It was released 14 months ago. Get your facts straight before bitching. Or do you just get off on bitching and don't need a real reason?

Netscape 6.2.3 release notes

I fondly remember the day (late 90s) when the ONLY reason I would use MSIE was when I had to go and download Netscape.

I have to wonder what the future of the browser/company once known as Netscape is now. It would be interesting if AOL sold it off as a subsidiary since obviously THEY'RE not going to use it anymore.

Oh well, this comes as no surprise, really. The real question here is, I have to wonder if AOLers even *know* what browser they're using. I love getting those tech support calls at work, and when I ask them what browser or e-mail client they're using, they just say, "AOL."

Netscape4.x. Yes some people do still use it, for instance in businesses where they can't/won't upgrade for whatever reason or old macintoshes. There are all sorts of odd browsers knocking about that cannot understand css.

Absolutely. That's why CSS was specifically designed to degrade gracefully. Unless the author was particularly clueless, HTML + CSS is still useful when the user-agent cannot understand the CSS.

For all the whining about tables here they are still the best way to get a page to look the same in all browsers.

That's not only an impossible goal, but an unreasonable and stupid goal. I don't want pages I read to look the same as people who surf with 640x480, and vice versa. That's what PDF is for. The same applies to all sorts of differences in surfing habits.

Yes CSS is technically a much better way to do it, but web designers don't earn money from being technically correct, they earn money from making pages that work.

Nice word play, but CSS does work. It has different tradeoffs with table layouts, but you're kidding yourself if you think that tables are just plain better and more compatible than CSS. That's nowhere near true (and the reverse is not true either, use the best tool for the job and all that).

But you can be guaranteed that when mr X shows his friends his new company website you are asking him 5k for and it doesn't even work on his friends "old" pc you ain't gonna make that money. This is the situation in my experience.

No offense, but you don't sound very experienced. Any agency that acts professionally will explain the tradeoffs being made at every step of the way. Cost (development and maintenance time), and quality (usability, accessibility, load times) usually outweigh the one or two percent of people who can't understand the CSS.

Here's something to chew on if you think that table layouts are reliable. Expect more problems in the future.

I'm at the point now where I am starting up my own web venture, so I am actually going to have to test for cross browser look and feel, as well as functionality.

-Placing icons on the desktop that launch ad-filled web pages
-Adding itself as a favorite or a home page to the browser
-Adding shortcuts to the Start Menu

All without permission of the user. Granted, those who are security-aware will have unsigned ActiveX and Scripting capabilities turned off (discussion of this can be found here, but then again, the crowd that is more concerned with these types of exploits will use browsers that are harder to exploit and easier to control, such as Mozilla, Opera, or Communicator. Not that these programs are all exempt from exploitation, but they have proven to be a much smaller target audience.

Given all that, who are the poor sods downloading and installing Netscape?? I guess they have enough knowledge of computers to be able to install an alternative to IE, but not enough to be able to know about Mozilla? Can there really be more than a handfull of these people, and can't they be rescued and re-educated?

Actually, many of us that prefere Netscape to Mozilla are *well* aware of the differences, and value and appriciate those differences. We are most certainly NOT in need of either "rescue" or "reeducation". We run the stable version!

As I've mentioned before, just having bookmarks available in the Netscape sidebar is enough reason to choose it. It's easy to strip out AIM and the like - takes under a minute, and I bet even most 133t hax0rs here on /. could handle it.

Further, Netscape is considerably more stable than Mozilla (especially on Windows, which is the preferred desktop even for most people here (ask Taco for his logs...)) Mozilla is (and is intended as) a development platform - it's good at that. From what I've seen, the Mozilla releases recieve far less testing and bug-fixing than Netscape performs in their "equivalents". This testing is the reason Netscape releases typically lag their Mozilla counterparts by a fair margin - we got lucky this time and Mozilla 1.4 and Netscape 7.1 are out almost simultaneously only because the Mozilla folks declared RC3 to be v1.4.

In addition there are other good resons to prefer Netscape: The Developer Pack alone is a great reason. If you're doing web page development and taking advantage of JavaScript the way you should, you *need* Venkman and the rest - these are serioous power tools.

If you are using the DOM (and if not, you darn sure should be) you'll find the DOM inspector handy, too.

For those that think JavaScript is a toy language and not suitable for anything real, have a look again - a lot has changed in the past few years, and pure JavaScript is now even the best alternative to SVG, since that is a great idea, but not supported in any mainstream browser, unlike Javascript. Like it or not, JavaScript is the lingua franca of the web, and Netscape does it best.

Finally, even those that like Mozilla should support Netscape by recommending it to less tech-savvy friends. NOt only is it more stable than Mozilla, but doing so supports Netscape, the company whose money is behind over 90% of the commited changes to the Mozilla code base. I view using Netscape as something akin to buying boxed copies of Red Hat or Mandrake - I don't have to, but it's an important show of support. I'm continually amazed at the number of people here on /. willing to spew vitriol at AOl, but claim to love Mozilla. The simple fact is that Mozilla would have died several years ago without Netscape's very substantial commitment of time, money, and most importantly, programmer resources. I thank Netscape for paying those programmers good salaries, rather than making them wait tables for tips as in Richard Stallman's infamous quote: "Programmers should work as waiters so they can give their code away". I for one hope to never have to run code that is developed by an oppressed waiter who ought to have a real job writing code.

Althogether, there are plenty of good reasons to prefer Netscape to Mozilla, and I for one, am not eager to have unstable Mozilla software destroy valuable personal data like e-mails and bookmarks files, somethign that has happened to me several times with various Mozilla releases, but never with any Netscape release. If you want to live on the bleeding edge, fine, but it's irresponsible to encourage others to do likewise, and rude and insulting to assume anyone that prefers a stable browsing environment lacks common sense.

I think you are looking for the Pornzilla project. I'm not sure it's the right link, since I'd rather not look at work :)

OK, I jumped to conclusions. But netscape.com does manage to imply that only Windows, OS X, and Linux versions are available.

In the Release notes, Linux users need to be aware of the following:

- Pages with Flash will, in worst cases, crash or hang your browser.
- Netscape will hang if a Flash plugin tries to play audio and the audio device is already in use
- Flash may crash with Exported X Display
- Java is not included with the Linux installer for Netscape 7.1. Download Java version 1.4.2 or later at the Java web site
- You may encounter problems if you install Netscape in a root user environment then run as another user.
- Loading a page that contains a Flash plugin may cause Netscape to lock up if you are using an audio application.

Everyone else need to be aware of the following:

- For security reasons, Netscape does not allow connections to certain ports. To override this on a per-port basis, add a comma separated list of ports to defaults/all.js
- POP email becomes unusable if the profile is stored on a network drive.
- Stll no NTFS Support
- Netscape does not warn the user of a low disk space condition.
- Netscape may temporarily hang during LDAP autocomplete if network connectivity is broken.
- Do not share a profile between Netscape and Mozilla browsers. Doing this can lead to unpredictable results, which may include loss of Search settings and preferences and unchecked growth of the Bookmarks file (large enough to freeze your system).
- When visiting a SSL enabled site, the lock icon will take on a yellow background, and will not indicate the strength of the SSL encryption used, whether it is 40 bit, 56 bit, or 128 bit.

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It's so strange. I look at the writeup for the new Netscape release, and when the poster talks about the new features, the links they provide are links to mozilla.org pages. I look at the Netscape main page and I can't even tell that they make a browser. The "Downloads" link is tucked away in the upper-left corner. Even today, when they're releasing a new version, there's no hint of it even on their main page!! Instead the big deal is "10 things everyone should do before turning 30". Whaa?? Then, there's the awful pain of trying to install the Netscape version. The last time I installed a version of the Netscape-branded Mozilla, I had AOL crap littering my system everywhere.

On the other hand, when I go to the Mozilla site everything is clear. It's obvious where to download the version of Mozilla I want for the platform I want. It's also normally 2 or 3 versions ahead of the Netscape-branded release, and the install process is clean and painless.

Given all that, who are the poor sods downloading and installing Netscape?? I guess they have enough knowledge of computers to be able to install an alternative to IE, but not enough to be able to know about Mozilla? Can there really be more than a handfull of these people, and can't they be rescued and re-educated?

No, he is referring to nsnotify.. not netscape new mail notification. Netscape 4 feature description here. I doubt that nsnotify is in NS7.1 even.

link

prob bad qa on their part, but that line is not correct.

CB

> Back in my Windows days IE never really got my attention -- it was always Netscape (up to 4.79 was decent).

Hah! Anyone who says the 4.x version of Netscape were decent never tried to develop for them and still maintain compatibility with IE (yes, it might be Microsoft's fault, but IE became the defacto standard due to its heavy adoption). At least modern versions of Netscape renders pages and Javascript correctly now.

I worked at a University, and we COULDN'T WAIT to get rid of Netscape because people would bitch about some pages not working (mostly DHTML problems). Pretty much all those pages work in IE and Moz/NS6+.

Netscape 4.x was a pile of shit. I challenge you to install it and use it for awhile. You'll be begging for the advanced rendering features of Lynx in no time.

I use the bookmark keywords feature of Mozilla Firebird more often than I manually type in a URL. I've setup about 7 of these to do lookups in Amazon, Dictionary, FedEx Tracking, Google, Thesaurus and more.

For example, when I type "g linux", I get a Google search result of the word "linux" using my language & results per page preferences.

And when I type "d word", I get a www.dictionary.com definition of "word".

It is an awesome feature that changed the way I used my browser in a fundamental way because it only takes 10 seconds to set one up and it works with most pages that receive parameters. I used single letters like "g" and "d" but it can be whole words like "google" or "dictionary".

As a result of this feature, I think of typing in keywords rather than URLs now. And that is a huge shift in how I use the browser.

Take one of the current big ones, tabbed browsing. Sure, it's nifty - but what does it ultimately add to the experience of viewing a given web page? The HTML is still rendered the same way, and that's the core function of any browser.

Another core function of any browser is the BACK & FORWARD navigation of the web. One thing tabbed browsing gives us is the ability to have multiple BACK & FORWARD histories--something I'd rather not give up after being using it. And having multiple windows open clogs up the task bar and consumes more resources.

-- Yes I know I could have picked better links, but I'm trying to work. :)

I would strongly recommend Cascading Style Sheets: Designing for the Web, by Hakon Wium Lie and Bert Bos. Despite the fact that this book is a couple of years old, it's written by a couple of the guys who designed the original CSS spec, and really gives a terrific overview of the language, example layouts, and strong reference. It's fairly platform-agnostic, and as such concentrates on what works in CSS rather than what doesn't work in certain browsers. As the standards compliance of new browsers improves, this book gets better and better.

Learn CSS from this book, then for those pesky browsers, use the Web for the timely info (bug charts, hacks, etc.)

I agree. Spoofing IE is a problem. However, I do spoof, in an unusual way:

Now that I have Ximian Desktop 2 installed, I've got Galeon configured to spoof Netscape 7.02. Does this seem odd? I do it because I want webmasters to think "He's using Netscape." Also, I want Netscape (whose portal I use daily ... you should, too) to think that I'm using their branded browser -- it will encourage them to continue pumping funds into the project.

For those interested, you can do it with the following command (do this as the user you want to run as, not as root) --

gconftool-2 -s /apps/galeon/Advanced/Network/user_agent --type=string "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02"

Yes, Netscape. And you left out the links for iCab and Opera (not that they re that hard to find...).

Ouch! Georgi Guninski must be feeling a little hard done by; he resolved a number of privacy problems for Netscape, but probably only got $1000 a pop.

Pornzilla, the missing link.

I'd say that the fact that the Cornice drives don't use a standard interface is a serious limitation, since it doesn't gain them anything in speed and keeps the drives from being used in a huge array of CF-capable devices. 3GB MicroDrives are available, so the density of the Cornice drives isn't anything special. The drives themselves are about twice as fast as the current crop of microdrives, but the real selling point of the Cornice drives appears to be the price point.

I haven't yet spotted any cryptographic "reviews" of this yet, but it certainly looks like an appealing platform to work with.

Appealing or not, but according to the document bundled with source distribution their key exchange takes 8 messages to complete. SSL does it with 4 packets (with multiple messages per packet), IKE - with 3 (in aggressive mode).

They also seem to impose extra load on CPU with unneccessary crypto operations (step 1 and 2), derive keys in funky way, do not provide (or do not document) rekeying mechanisms, do not provide a replay protection, etc, etc.

With all due respect, this stuff needs a major facelift and a cleanup.

Thought it was worth noting, Sprint is up to pretty much the same thing right now:
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?flo c=FF-APO-1700&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20030527%2F0818 18105.htm&sc=1700

Microsoft likes to tout the availability of third-party software for Windows, but the trend in the Windows 'ecosystem' has been for large, profitable products to either be purchased by Microsoft and rebranded as M$ 'innovation' or merely crushed under the weight of the Microsoft integration monopoly. It's shocking how many Microsoft 'patches' just serve to further integrate their applications into the OS and break competitors' products. Lots of businesses in the 'dot-com' era were formed with the sole purpose of being purchased by Microsoft. Now, on Windows, you have the choice of one browser, one word processor, one e-mail client, one media player, and one instant messenger. Using anything else puts you at risk of having your investment in third-party applications and training made obsolete by Microsoft's anti-competitive tactics.

Sadly, those who were most fed up with this situation were the users. The mere fact that there are people so sick of Windows that they are willing to work to build their own OS has given Microsoft the only real competition it has ever had. Had there been no OSS 'Revolution', we would all be running M$ apps on a buggy, Macintosh-like system where everything from mice to CPU's to word processors come only from Redmond. Microsoft is still living in this fantasy world where they can control the entire desktop market in this way.

OSX is probably the best example of an open, capitalistic desktop applications marketplace so far. Apple has smartly placed themselves as a stepping stone between a proprietary OS running one vendor's applications to a free OS capable of attracting proprietary applications developers. They have a thriving third-party software base that hasn't (yet?) been monopolised by the OS developer. Maybe their choice of BSD as a base OS will help to convince more application developers to write for open software targets instead of coding nervously as the Sword of Redmond hangs precariously over their heads.

• aagh.net -- degrades gracefully, uses real (X)HTML properly, has clean URL's, simple and clear navigation, plenty of <link>'s, and is one of the few sites I know of that not only serves XHTML as application/xhtml+xml as it should be, but serves HTML 4.01 to clients that don't support it. Yes, it's my site ;)
• xiven.com -- honourable mention :)
• diveintomark.org -- aside from the braindead US date format he uses, it rules.
• DevEdge -- clean, degrades very well.
• kuro5hin -- Has a nice fresh creamy flavour.

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Sorry, couldn't resist a dusty T7G reference

I tend to disagree, though. If you look at the size of the average game (T7G was actually unusually large for 1992) and the size of much of the freeware/shareware on Tucows, or as a like-for-like, look at the download size of Netscape 2.02 (3.25M) vs. Netscape 6.2.3 (25.9M)

Did you know that the "q" in qmail stands for "queer"??? That's SO cool!!!

Top results for one-letter google searches as of Sat May 17
a : Apple
b : B'Tselem, The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the ...
c : CNET.com
d : D-Link Systems, Inc.
e : Welcome to E! Online
f : Welcome to F-Secure, Securing the Mobile Enterprise
g : G*Loomis
h : H-Net, Humanities & Social Sciences Online
i : Yahoo!
j : J-???
k : KDE Homepage - Conquer your Desktop!
l : LEXPRESS.fr : l'info au quotidien. L'actualité économique, ...
m : 3M Worldwide
n : SBC Pacific Bell Knowledge Network Explorer : Online Learning : ...
o : www.oreilly.com -- Welcome to O'Reilly & Associates -- computer ...
p : Alfred P. Sloan Foundation
q : Q4music.com - The World's Greatest Music Magazine Online
s : GNU's Not Unix! - the GNU Project and the Free Software ...
t : AT&T
u : The whatUseek Network
v : Welcome to Bobby WorldWide
w : Welcome to the White House
x : Netscape.com
y : Yahoo!
z : HealthAtoZ - Your Family Health Site

Here is a sorta technical document about accented and special characters...

Netscape

Here is a pretty layout of what buttons to press...

Harvard

A review in the Hollywood reporter suggests that there will be more than enough philisophical debate (which they claim stops, not motivates the plot) along with trite, repetitive action.

Let's just hope it turns out better than this review suggests.

Definitely a part of 2.0

Here's a link to the press release for Netscape 2.0: http://wp.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease82.ht ml

-Todd

Pick your poison:

Phoenix/Firebird - blocked
Opera - blocked
Mozilla - blocked
Netscape - blocked
IE - oh thats a feature.

Well, sort of. I installed Netscape 2 for the fun of it and to relive my first intenet memories and swiftly uninstalled it as it was well... hopeless. I swiftly discovered my url.dll had been deleted and I had some real good 'fun' finding it again. Thanks Netscape :/

I'm fairly sure the poster was referring to this, which I find to be one of the best underappreciated features of the whole Mozilla family. Why go to dictionary.com, find the box to put the word in, etc etc when I can just type "define foobar" into the address bar?

Exactly. And all those silly fools who cried a bloody river about Microsoft releasing their "free" alternative included within Windows.

Yea, what cry babies!

Another cool set of tools are the Mozilla Sidebars available over at Netscape's DevEdge.

Basically they add quick references into the sidebar for a variety of official standards as CSS2, CSS2.1, HTML 4.01, DOM 2, XSLT 1.0 Reference, and the Gecko DOM Reference.

Now I've installed them I use them all the time; and to think for ages I thought Mozilla's Sidebar was useless! Very handy, it is.

Another cool set of tools are the Mozilla Sidebars available over at Netscape's DevEdge.

Basically they add quick references into the sidebar for a variety of official standards as CSS2, CSS2.1, HTML 4.01, DOM 2, XSLT 1.0 Reference, and the Gecko DOM Reference.

Now I've installed them I use them all the time; and to think for ages I thought Mozilla's Sidebar was useless! Very handy, it is.

Also - you can add your Yahoo bookmarks to the Mozilla sidebar using the following procedure:

1. Make sure your Moz sidebar is visible (press F9)
2. Go to this page.
3. Enter "Yahoo Bookmarks" (or whatever you want) in the Tab Name field.
4. Enter the following URL in the Tab URL field:
   
   http://my.yahoo.com/internet/t/sites.html
   
   
5. Click the Preview Tab button - this will actually add the tab to your sidebar.

Works for me :-)

Who wouldn't build their own database website. Imagine slogging through hundreds of pages of fixed html. Does anyone know of sites like these other than personal pages put up by newbies? All of my sites are at least dynamic using php.

It depends on what type of content you're putting up. I wanted consistent navigation from page to page and easier maintainability; server-parsed HTML is sufficient for that task. It also allows me to serve up either proper HTML and CSS for browsers that can handle it or broken, non-standard HTML for crappy non-standards-compliant browsers. While I use MySQL for logging server activity (when I dumped access_log into the database, the database was smaller than the text file that created it), the only "content" I've ever served up from it was statistics of how many tens of thousands of times infected IIS machines had tried to pass their bugs on to my server (done with server-parsed HTML and a shell script with the query). For mostly-static content on a small to medium website, is there any reason (other than "because I can") for shoving every website into a database?

All of my sites are at least dynamic using php.

Such as this one, which took forever to load because the images appear to have not been optimized? Looks like invalid HTML with a big table in it.

(Why do I get the sneaking suspicion I've just been trolled?)

Show me a AOL beta that uses Gecko and I'll show you some Duke Nukem beta footage.

Here's a link to the Second Part of the article

It runs Linux :-)!

If you are going to the trouble to maintain a lite version of your site, then it is not that much more work to also have a NS 4 capable version. NS 4 does support some style sheets, just in a very limited and non-standard way. When I design pages that use css I creat several templates. One for Standard browsers, one for text only browsing, and one for old versions of netscape. Then just add the content to the templates. The key differences are that NS 4 uses <LAYER> tags instead of the <DIV> tags that standard browsers use and they do not support the getElementById() function. NS 4 has its own method of manipulating css objects. Also some of the css properties have slightly different names. For a complete reference to NS4 style sheets and other technologies go to the Netscape DevEdge Archive.

Moz has keyword bookmarks - click here for more info.

Check out Netscape's Fish Cam!

Works On: Navigator
Manufacturer: Netscape

How it Works:
1: When browsing the net, hold down Ctrl, Alt, F
2: Watch the fish!

If you don't have Nutscrape:
You can also go to http://wp.netscape.com/fishcam/fishcam.html to see the same thing.

BSD, Linux, OS X, & Solaris folks should read and blog at *nix.org