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Mozilla Now Even Includes The Kitchen Sink
zzxc writes "Mozillazine reports that a 'kitchen sink' easter egg has been added into Mozilla by a patch to bug 122411. It shows an ASCII art animated kitchen sink. This was prompted by people complaining about Mozilla's bloat - that 'it includes everything but the kitchen sink.' You can see this xhtml demo by going to about:kitchensink in a recent Mozilla nightly, or at mozilla.org with an older mozilla build. Please note that this is not actually included in the browser package, so it doesn't add to mozilla's bloat. Instead, about:kitchensink directs the user to the xml document on mozilla's website."
Where going to a page like that could result in the sink filling with the BSOD....
about:everything will redirect to wikipedia, google or something like that, so really will include everything.
Keep the kitchen sink. I'll settle for them fixing the fucking browser link problem.
The back button is COMPLETELY broken now. When I press it, I get a fucked up rendition of the previous page - or it tries to load an IMAGE from the previous page. Or it tries to load an IMAGE from the existing page. Or I'll click on a link and instead of the link, I'll get the image that the link was around. Or I'll load/reload a page and it will have a TON of things convered into numbers/letters (hex?) like A57 D827 a123 - don't get me wrong - 1.3b is a great browser... as long as you have no intention of ever visiting a page you were already at and can tolerate 50% of the pages being fucked up as is.
I don't care for the kitchen sink. Could you please include a car washer instead?
But IE has had something like that for years. Sometimes it redirects you to a nice blue screen.
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if we can blame mozillas bloat on everything *including* the kitchen sink, what can we blame windows bloat on? does microsoft have an easter egg including the appliance section in best buy somewhere?
Trying this in internet explorer 6, you get:
The XML page cannot be displayed
Cannot view XML input using style sheet. Please correct the error and then click the Refresh button, or try again later.
The system cannot locate the resource specified. Error processing resource 'http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd'.
Next time, please complain "Mozilla has everything but a red light district". Can't wait for the animated xml-porn
Fleur de Sel
The thing is, Mozilla may be bug, but compare it with the IE6 installer and you must have included the Kitchen, House, Garage, Housing estate, town, and everything else.
Does it have a garbage disposal for all those pop-ups and spam?
Give this a go: about:mozilla
:)
Anyone know any more of these 'features'?
is more than this... the kitchen sink can even be controlled by mouse turning it on and off.
And that is ascii art is particulary appropiated, all those letters seems to be flooding mozilla zine and slashdot discussion forums.
Several releases of Emacs have also used a kitchen sink as a launcher icon.
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Besides the XML declaraton at the top, is there anything else about this page that couldn't be done with regular old XHTML? All I see is CCS, Javascript, and a little HTML.
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The Mozilla 1.3 branch has been closed in prep. for release. There's a mention of it on Mozillazine as well.
/. :)
The outstanding bug list has been mirrored here:
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/bugs-2003-02-22.html because it's not very nice to bugzilla.mozilla to link directly to it. At least not from
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
then it better be able to make me a sandwich.
...at least using the build I downloaded a few hours ago (Build 2003022108 on WinXP)
alias uptime="echo '5:33pm up 22342352324 days, 6:28, 2124315623 users, load average: 2432.40, 12312.31, 123123.19'"
I just loaded the xml page in mozilla, isn't it great, mozilla sucks up 17% of my linux PC's ram (Redhat 8.0, 380 something megs of ram, PIII 600) and 40% of my windows PC (Windows XP, 256MB, Athlon XP 1800+) so naturally to make it a more efficient web browser it needed an animation of a kitchen sink, which uses up 60% of my CPU in linux (just loaded the site in mozilla and checked top) and 50% of my CPU in windows (loaded the site in mozilla again and checked the task manager.) Anyone else think that they should add this stuff AFTER they make the browser suck up less memory and CPU. At idle mozilla uses hardly any CPU (but sucks up tons of ram), but I think it's kind of weird that it requires 50% of a 1.5 ghz computer just to show an animation of a kitchen sink that is all text.
Oh, those memory stats are mozilla with about 13 tabs open, if I have 20 copies of IE open and minimize all but one it uses around 12 megs of ram (although I never use IE and the bloatedness of mozilla doesn't bother me, it still seems like an issue that needs to be worked out.) Also, the xml page doesn't seem to work in IE, is it specific for mozilla? It's kind of hypocritical to talk about sites that just don't work in Mozilla and other browsers, and that you shouldn't support companies that make sites like that but when a site like this works only in Mozilla it's just fine (although it's only an animation of a sink so who cares if it doesn't load in IE, it's just the fact that it will not work that matters.)
I figured the first post would say
"if you don't like the bloat, use phoenix!"
But it didn't. Instead someone pointed out about:mozilla which has been in there since like Netscape 2 I believe, maybe even before. I can't believe it got modded up and people didn't know about it. Anyway, if you want the kitchen sink and only the kitchen sink, use phoenix. ^_^
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in Internet Explorer, try going to about:mozilla its supposed to imply that mozilla causes BSODs. haha.
If you're stuck on IE, here it is:
from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31
(Red Letter Edition)
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Correctly word your bug reports!
They seem to follow them exactly: if you say they included everything but (...) they include the (...) Imagine if someone had said it includes everything but an atomic bomb! Do you really want them giving out atomic bombs? Be careful!
'Sensible' is a curse word.
Either my fonts are screwed up or Phoenix 0.5 cant render it correctly - looks like a bunch of animated garbage.
bug 56061 - about:about: RFE to display a clickable list of all the supported about:*
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How recent a nightly is needed for about:kitchensink to work? It does not work for me with build 2003022108
But none of the developers could figure out why you'd need both.
KFG
A million ASCII kitchen sinks flowing for a million years will produce the greatest works of literature known to man.
"It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times!!?? You stupid kitchen sink!"
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Would somebody know why mozilla would showr /examp les/kitchensink.xmli tchensink .xml
http://www.mozilla.org/catalog/web-develope
correctly but when opening the same file locally
file://localhost/home/user/kitchensink/k
it would produce an XML Parsing Error in Linux?
(Happens to me both with Mozilla 1.2.1, and 1.3,
works fine for me with Mozilla 1.2.1 in OS X).
For some reason, this article got me to thinking about operating systems.
I just wish people would take the time or get the opportunity to see Mozilla perform on the Linux side of things.
I know there are probably a couple million who only use Mozilla at work, and at work they probably have to run Windows 2000 because their boss uses Lotus Notes or something. It's really a shame that they are forced to use the Windows GUI and strict C++ environment.
Suggestion: All you Windows folks should try out Mozilla on Linux. Get one of those Linux-On-A-CD distributions that you can just boot up from and instantly be running Linux. Get the latest Mozilla build (from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ ) and see what you're missing. It just -- *feels* -- so much different and better on the native Linux side of things. Kind of like how driving a car feels better outside on a spring day than inside on a turf track.
Just my two cents, though, but I really feel like Mozilla is so much more than many people see.
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Doens't work on the 2003022108 (last night) release either.
And when Mozilla will have a decent logo and a acceptable homepage? The former is **ugly** and the latter seems written by a h4x0r.
Just one: to find the user documentation page you must click the developer documentation link. Wow!
I like easter eggs when they don't add bloat, but looks like this time mozilla developers have more important things to do before adding games.
No, I'm not good both at graphics and html.
for those of us that need a "Whole Kitchen sink browser, email client, html editor, i am glad mozilla is here for us...
:)
hopefully Phoenix will be polished a little more and eventually make it to a 1.0.x release
now you can slap me with hot buttered penguins
No, it doesn't. If you read the later comments in the bug, you'll see that drivers@mozilla.org (the project managers) have vetoed about:kitchensink. It's not likely to get into Mozilla unless the patch can be modified so it only affects Mozilla (right now it affects most Mozilla-based browsers, including Phoenix, Galeon and K-Meleon). Even then, I still have doubts that it will get in.
Why's there poop coming out of the faucet?
NTLM easily explained
m.kelley
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Dude, this is xhtml in name only - this is good-old javascript! (view source)
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would be if the user typed in "about:everything", and the computer replied, "42". (Optional alternative behavior is for mozilla to wait several million years before returning this answer.)
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First they complain mozilla can't do this and then can't do that.
Now, that it's the most standard complaint browser with all the features one can expect from a industry standard browser, THEY SAY IT HAS EVERYTHING!!!
I don't get it at all.
I am happy about the way mozilla is and is going. I use it all the time, unless a site insists on working only with ie. And if I can, I avoid such sites. Three cheers to the developers, grand work. Keep it going, you are the best.
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its true, we can no longer say we have 'slashdotted everything but the kitchen sink', because we just have...
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... It does not respond, so I guess no more kitchensink for today! Too bad /. really floods -everything- these days ..
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hope they don't add a about:shower
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The Paradise game client already had a kitchen sink (version 2.2p8).
This variant of the game Netrek, which completely revamped the gameplay of the original and added a ton of 'features', many of which tended to irritate purists of the game. The client developers added a little outline kitchen sink which would pop up on the screen when a given button was pushed, along with the phrase 'Kitchen sink activated! Bad guys beware!'
Just a piece of trivia for you, and a great game at that.
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moderators on crack again it seems
now you can understand why most people stick with IE,
then again i guess corporate support of mozilla is a joke and when they waste time doing stupid ascii art animation that takes 70% cpu of a 2ghz computer with 750meg of ram its hardly suprising Mozilla has less than 2% of the market
post something worthwhile.
I remember, back when I was playing Diablo 2, there was this undead mummy that would randomly pop up with different names. One time it was named "The Creeping Feature" and another time "The Feeping Creature"...
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
Reading the headline I thought they had integrated emacs into Mozilla but they just stole the icon :(
He saw some dirty arabs and fired. Too bad it was just some friendly kurds, BBC reporters and his fellow cowboys.
I enjoy having applications and programs talk to each other... in fact I insist on it usually. So, I really don't mind Mozilla's additional (and optional) packages like the Chatzilla (of which I don't use) and the mail/News, Address Book and composer. However, why can I only use one profile at a time? Hmmm, that is troublesome at best. Why should I have to shut down my email to fire up my wife's browser for her?
You know, last week I downloaded a new Linux distro, and, upon running it, I said, "I've been waiting for NT file system read/write support for six years, and the developers spent time writing a GNOME Tetris clone and giving it more support?"
So I can't say "does anything but toast" anymore.
in IE. Nice fud you are spreading there.
The patch was not checked in to the Mozilla trunk because it was vetoed by drivers@mozilla.org. It will likely never be checked in.
How about doing some tiny little bit of fact-checking? Who needs news if it's false?
I don't know how to add this to a "wish list" for Mozilla. I tried in the past, but couldn't figure it out. So here it is, maybe someone would be kind enough to add it or bring this to attention of developers:
;-)
Tabbed Browsing:
When using the tabbed browsing feature, when too many tabs are open, they first get smaller, then overflow to the right of the browser when maximized. The only way to see tabs off screen is to close windows. But what if you don't want to close windows?
We need to be able to scroll right on tabs, or add additional rows, not just one row of tabs at the top of the page. Adding something in one of the menus that is a checkoff, that says, add second row-tabs, add third row tabs, add fourth row tabs, add fifth row tabs would be great.
While most users may not have many tabs open, I find it very useful when doing research. Going beyond five rows may not be useful except to those that have very large screens. Also, it could be set to automatically add a row before shrinking tab sizes (and losing text on tab), shrinking tab sizes before adding another row of tabs, and shrinking tabs on all rows could be a last option when more tabs need to be added.
One more feature, save all tabs in one folder needs an adjustment. It is possible to save all tabs, especially when tabs overflow, then when you go back to open the saved tab folder, too many tabs open all at once, crashing the browser or machine (on windows at least, not as much of a problem on gnu/linux). While it is important to be able to save all the tabs, you may not want to, or be able to, open all the tabs (and therefore all the web sites at once. We need to be able to have an option on whether we want to open all the tabs, or only some of the tabs, and go to the other tabs after closing some tabs.
Images:
I normally surf with images off. As you can see above, I keep quite a few web site pages open via tabs. When I want to see an image, I enable images. But the problem is, at that point, it loads every image for every page. This turns out to be nightmare. We need to be able to load images for the tab in focus, not images for every single page. Some control over whether images requested from a single specific tab comes from the originating web site, or from all web sites would also be useful. Checking to see whether the images originate from a blocked images server would also be useful.
Also, a button on one of the main toolbars that loads images would be good. Something as close as possible to what Konqueror has (or had, I'm using Konqueror 3.04/KDE 3.05). A second button that loads images from the originating web site only would be great.
Raid monitoring:
I find that while surfing, it is sometimes necessary to monitor the raid array. Often, the software that comes with the raid cards just isn't up to snuff. We need a button on the toolbar that will allow extensive....just joking
Yes, MS is bloaty..but honestly, the flight simulator in Excel '97 is the coolest easter egg I have ever seen.
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Give Opera 7.0 a try, its as fast IE on Windows, if not faster. Its not dubbed Fastest Browser on Earth for nothing.
Wowza, how insightful and relevant! Keep on whorin'!
And the Kitchen Sink isnt a proper easter egg, just a nice XML page...
That kitchen sink is spewing Poop!
As for IE sucking a log on this, well, it's 100% valid XHTML and CSS with decent DOM use, so I'm not surprised IE won't view it.
jX [ Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. - Einstein ]
It is "supposed" to be blue, just like everything else in Windows is blue, because Bill and his cronies are a bunch of blue-blooded capitalist tools.
Many things (including about:mozilla) in Mozilla are red for quite the opposite reason.
This will be modded down because neither side likes to admit their political leanings, but it's true nonetheless.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
I agree that Mozilla has a ton of features, and even that it doesn't handle them as quickly or slickly as Opera. (IE is out of the picture, of course... no innovations in about 8 years will do that to an app) But I moved to Mozilla from Opera 6 as soon as Mozilla went 1.0. Why? I didn't have to switch back to IE so often just to get basic JavaScripts to work. Yeah, Opera 7 rocks, but now I use Mozilla mail, which Opera still trails by a browser-length. (No HTML email? Come on... even if I agreed, you're not accomplishing anything by leaving it out. Just losing some customers and forcing others to use other mail clients!). And finally? Mozilla is free, and not adware. I don't mind paying $30 for a browser, but not when the next innovation by Mozilla may lure me back in a couple of months.
What kind of a sad world has it become when easter eggs get announced before they've even made it into a beta? The whole point of these things used to be the treasure hunt. Do you read the walk-through before you even start playing a new game?
all those letters go poop, PooP, and so on. So your second comment is spot-on, especially the latter part
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
The game Nethack has included kitchen sinks in its dungeons for years. I'm pretty sure that Nethack had kitchen sinks before Emacs did, and in any case, it actually has the kitchen sinks in the main code, not just in an optional icon that nobody uses any more.
Phoenix has [almost always] shrunk over its releases. Here we go:
The latest Win32 nightly is 6,320 KB and the Linux version is 8,964 KB.
Use ISO 8601 dates [YYYY-MM-DD]
You have to read /. at -1. I reckon probably half the -1 to 0 posts are unique and insightful, if not at least funny. And then there's the poor bastards who in their early days of /. posting made just one beowulf cluster joke, which was even funny, and now show up at 0 by default.
Don't post saying "Mod Parent Up", do your own moderation, read at -1.
Okay, you get to see all the frist ps0t shite, but even some of those are vaguely funny, but modded down by default.
There's much worse than just hitting PgDn a couple of times to get past that anyay. I reckon they should remove the "Troll" tag. Moderation is trolling if you ask me.
In Netscape 4.7, it said:
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
trying to simulate a BSOD crash?
Wrong color. The BSOD uses background color #0000AA (text mode color #1) by default, while about:mozilla uses #000080 (a bit darker).
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Put another way, here's another story. In the early days of the interstate highway system, there was a problem with the roadway signage where, because the signs didn't give people enough warning that an exit was coming up, drivers kept colliding with the signs, destroying them, while trying to veer off the highway at the last minute. When the project engineers were told about this, the solution they came up with was simple, elegant, and completely wrong: build a sign strong enough to withstand an impact from a car moving at highway speeds.
The lessons there should be obvious. Rather than identify what today might be called the usability problems of the signage system, they focused only on the sign device itself. Their solution didn't make the problem go away, and it probably made impacts with signs much more dangerous for people in the car. The right solution, which we have since moved to, is to come up with standards to give people more information ahead of the exits so that collisions like this are much less probably.
I think the Mozilla people are falling for the same trap. They've heard the complaints, but rather than take them to heart, they poke fun at it -- and in fact adding in code for this easter egg, even if you are downloading the xml from mozilla.org's servers, is only adding to the application's bloat. Like the splash screen example, this is itself a great sign *ahem* that the project developers aren't listening to the concerns of their users. Rather, it's just starting to seem like a colossal exercise in self-gratification.
Good thing I can use Safari :-)
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Exactly this? Without closing tag? :)
Wow, that's some wrong HTML! Yay! We found another bug in MSIE!
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Popups blocking was before 1.0 I think, selective (block from this site...) added about 1.1 I think and 1.3 has option of "exclusive" (allow only from...) Spam blockers added to MailNews in 1.3.
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http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/netwerk/bu ild/nsNetModule.cpp#835
/mike
HTH
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Why would anyone complain about bloat in Mozilla? If you don't want the bloat, then download Phoenix instead. (I did, and I'm incredibly happy)
Nothing to see here. Move along.
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