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$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
$1200? wtf, more like under $800 for a whole boxHere's the little gaming box i spec'd out earlier today from Newegg for $752, including shipping and promo code discounts, and not counting mail-in rebates:
- refurb Shuttle XPC SN27P2 w/ nForce 570 mobo = $214
- AMD Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7Ghz CPU = $100 w/ promo code
- 2x 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 RAM = $77 w/ promo code
- EVGA NVIDIA 8800GT 512MB video card = $227
- Seagate 500GB 7200RPM 32MB cache SATA 3.0Gb/s disk = $110
- Samsung 20X SATA DVD dual-layer burner = $24
It's not an uber gaming rig, but it'll play most games fairly decently, and it's only $200 to $300 more expensive than an Xbox 360 or PS3 + accessories. You could drop the 8800GT card down to a 8600GT and save another $110 off the total price, bringing it down to $642.
By comparison, an Xbox 360 Halo 3 Edition is $415 with shipping, or a PS3 40GB is $413 with shipping.
It's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but $1200 is not the entry point for PC gaming, and you'd have to go back to the mid to late 1990s to find the last time that it was. -
Bitch, bitch, bitch ... or be useful?
Because people just want to bitch at the poor guy, I thought I might suggest something that's actually USEFUL.
Put the lappy in a computer case. Many of them (the couple of Thermaltake cases I've used recently have options like this) provide places to put a little pad-lock on. Heck, if memory serves, the Thermaltake Matrix actually has a lock built right onto the side of the case. If you wanted, you could even swap out the case's fans for some USB fans and get some real airflow going. Beyond this, however, I think you're talking about something custom made.
Something that hasn't been pointed out yet that I'd like to bring up is the fact that ANY kind of locked box is really a bit of a joke. Yes, it'll keep out ex-con Janitor Joe from just picking something up off your desk, but it won't keep him from coming in late at night and walking off with the whole box. Let's face it, thieves steal the family safe and crack it open later at their leisure.
My solution back in the days when I was issued a laptop, was to slap the lappy into the docking station locked by the company issued security cable and then run wires through a gap in the filing cabinet for all my personal goodies.
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Re:Memory usage
I can get a 64bit mobo, 64bit proc, and still ahve problem finding on that can take more then 8Gigs of ram.
I just bought a couple GIGABYTE GA-M52L-S3 motherboards from NewEgg... They weren't the cheapest things there, but I've certainly paid more for a motherboard. And they support up to 16 GB RAM. Actually... Most of the GIGABYTE AMD motherboards on NewEgg support up to 16 GB.well I wish 64 Bit would get pushed and 32 Bit activly phased out. as in, stop making it.
It is happening... Slower than I'd like, but it is happening. As RAM gets cheaper you're going to see more and more machines with 4+ GB standard. And then they'll have to switch over to 64-bit. -
Re:New toys!For me, "Low End" means that while it doesn't have the latest and greatest, it IS fully up to date as far as socket types, FSB speeds, and RAM speeds are concerned. In other words, that there is some upgradability built into it so I can hold onto it longer and upgrade a few times before it's completely outmoded.
I recently spent some time at Newegg pricing out a new rig.
Motherboard ~ $150 (at least. Unless you want to get a motherboard that won't be upgradable because it's using a 1 generation old socket.)
Your version of "low end" looks like an upper-mid-range gaming rig to me, especially the $250 for RAM and $300 for a current-generation graphics card.
CPU ~ $200 - 300 (core 2 duo's run around $200, quads around $300)
RAM ~ $250 (for 2 gigs of average quality RAM in the proper speed. A minimum for running VM's and gaming)
Graphics card ~ $300 (for any Nvidia 8x00 card, although this may have dropped a bit with the release mentioned in TFA)If you're willing to use an AMD platform again, motherboards using the new AMD 780G chipset (socket AM2+ for Phenom, PCI Express 2.0, HyperTransport 3.0, RAID 0/1/10, integrated Radeon HD 2400 based graphics, HDMI) start at $80 ($70 after rebate) at Newegg.
For now, a $61 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (65nm with VT support) should be a very nice temporary upgrade from your Athlon 64 3500+. I'd wait for the post-TLB versions of Phenom to ship before going quad-core, but Phenom prices (currently around $200) should be significantly lower than Core 2 Quad since Intel still shows an absolute performance advantage for this generation.
I don't get how you got $250 for 2 gigs of "average quality RAM in the proper speed" because a pair of 1GB DDR2 800 sticks start at around $40 for the "value" stuff (including Patriot and Kingston) and around $75 for "enthusiast-grade" Corsair XMS. If DDR2 800 is not fast enough, does a low-end gaming/VT rig really need more than those sub-$90 DDR2 1066 kits?
I know integrated low-end Radeon HD graphics isn't for "gamers," but note that it is based on the current Radeon architecture (Radeon HD 2400), so it should be much better than your GeForce 5600LE for now. Also, I don't think you can get more upgradable than a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot.
Of course, don't buy a new rig unless you need it. You seem to have other things in your life that are more important. On the other hand, a new rig can help some busy gamers keep their sanity.
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Re:New toys!For me, "Low End" means that while it doesn't have the latest and greatest, it IS fully up to date as far as socket types, FSB speeds, and RAM speeds are concerned. In other words, that there is some upgradability built into it so I can hold onto it longer and upgrade a few times before it's completely outmoded.
I recently spent some time at Newegg pricing out a new rig.
Motherboard ~ $150 (at least. Unless you want to get a motherboard that won't be upgradable because it's using a 1 generation old socket.)
Your version of "low end" looks like an upper-mid-range gaming rig to me, especially the $250 for RAM and $300 for a current-generation graphics card.
CPU ~ $200 - 300 (core 2 duo's run around $200, quads around $300)
RAM ~ $250 (for 2 gigs of average quality RAM in the proper speed. A minimum for running VM's and gaming)
Graphics card ~ $300 (for any Nvidia 8x00 card, although this may have dropped a bit with the release mentioned in TFA)If you're willing to use an AMD platform again, motherboards using the new AMD 780G chipset (socket AM2+ for Phenom, PCI Express 2.0, HyperTransport 3.0, RAID 0/1/10, integrated Radeon HD 2400 based graphics, HDMI) start at $80 ($70 after rebate) at Newegg.
For now, a $61 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (65nm with VT support) should be a very nice temporary upgrade from your Athlon 64 3500+. I'd wait for the post-TLB versions of Phenom to ship before going quad-core, but Phenom prices (currently around $200) should be significantly lower than Core 2 Quad since Intel still shows an absolute performance advantage for this generation.
I don't get how you got $250 for 2 gigs of "average quality RAM in the proper speed" because a pair of 1GB DDR2 800 sticks start at around $40 for the "value" stuff (including Patriot and Kingston) and around $75 for "enthusiast-grade" Corsair XMS. If DDR2 800 is not fast enough, does a low-end gaming/VT rig really need more than those sub-$90 DDR2 1066 kits?
I know integrated low-end Radeon HD graphics isn't for "gamers," but note that it is based on the current Radeon architecture (Radeon HD 2400), so it should be much better than your GeForce 5600LE for now. Also, I don't think you can get more upgradable than a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot.
Of course, don't buy a new rig unless you need it. You seem to have other things in your life that are more important. On the other hand, a new rig can help some busy gamers keep their sanity.
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Re:New toys!For me, "Low End" means that while it doesn't have the latest and greatest, it IS fully up to date as far as socket types, FSB speeds, and RAM speeds are concerned. In other words, that there is some upgradability built into it so I can hold onto it longer and upgrade a few times before it's completely outmoded.
I recently spent some time at Newegg pricing out a new rig.
Motherboard ~ $150 (at least. Unless you want to get a motherboard that won't be upgradable because it's using a 1 generation old socket.)
Your version of "low end" looks like an upper-mid-range gaming rig to me, especially the $250 for RAM and $300 for a current-generation graphics card.
CPU ~ $200 - 300 (core 2 duo's run around $200, quads around $300)
RAM ~ $250 (for 2 gigs of average quality RAM in the proper speed. A minimum for running VM's and gaming)
Graphics card ~ $300 (for any Nvidia 8x00 card, although this may have dropped a bit with the release mentioned in TFA)If you're willing to use an AMD platform again, motherboards using the new AMD 780G chipset (socket AM2+ for Phenom, PCI Express 2.0, HyperTransport 3.0, RAID 0/1/10, integrated Radeon HD 2400 based graphics, HDMI) start at $80 ($70 after rebate) at Newegg.
For now, a $61 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (65nm with VT support) should be a very nice temporary upgrade from your Athlon 64 3500+. I'd wait for the post-TLB versions of Phenom to ship before going quad-core, but Phenom prices (currently around $200) should be significantly lower than Core 2 Quad since Intel still shows an absolute performance advantage for this generation.
I don't get how you got $250 for 2 gigs of "average quality RAM in the proper speed" because a pair of 1GB DDR2 800 sticks start at around $40 for the "value" stuff (including Patriot and Kingston) and around $75 for "enthusiast-grade" Corsair XMS. If DDR2 800 is not fast enough, does a low-end gaming/VT rig really need more than those sub-$90 DDR2 1066 kits?
I know integrated low-end Radeon HD graphics isn't for "gamers," but note that it is based on the current Radeon architecture (Radeon HD 2400), so it should be much better than your GeForce 5600LE for now. Also, I don't think you can get more upgradable than a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot.
Of course, don't buy a new rig unless you need it. You seem to have other things in your life that are more important. On the other hand, a new rig can help some busy gamers keep their sanity.
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Re:New toys!For me, "Low End" means that while it doesn't have the latest and greatest, it IS fully up to date as far as socket types, FSB speeds, and RAM speeds are concerned. In other words, that there is some upgradability built into it so I can hold onto it longer and upgrade a few times before it's completely outmoded.
I recently spent some time at Newegg pricing out a new rig.
Motherboard ~ $150 (at least. Unless you want to get a motherboard that won't be upgradable because it's using a 1 generation old socket.)
Your version of "low end" looks like an upper-mid-range gaming rig to me, especially the $250 for RAM and $300 for a current-generation graphics card.
CPU ~ $200 - 300 (core 2 duo's run around $200, quads around $300)
RAM ~ $250 (for 2 gigs of average quality RAM in the proper speed. A minimum for running VM's and gaming)
Graphics card ~ $300 (for any Nvidia 8x00 card, although this may have dropped a bit with the release mentioned in TFA)If you're willing to use an AMD platform again, motherboards using the new AMD 780G chipset (socket AM2+ for Phenom, PCI Express 2.0, HyperTransport 3.0, RAID 0/1/10, integrated Radeon HD 2400 based graphics, HDMI) start at $80 ($70 after rebate) at Newegg.
For now, a $61 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (65nm with VT support) should be a very nice temporary upgrade from your Athlon 64 3500+. I'd wait for the post-TLB versions of Phenom to ship before going quad-core, but Phenom prices (currently around $200) should be significantly lower than Core 2 Quad since Intel still shows an absolute performance advantage for this generation.
I don't get how you got $250 for 2 gigs of "average quality RAM in the proper speed" because a pair of 1GB DDR2 800 sticks start at around $40 for the "value" stuff (including Patriot and Kingston) and around $75 for "enthusiast-grade" Corsair XMS. If DDR2 800 is not fast enough, does a low-end gaming/VT rig really need more than those sub-$90 DDR2 1066 kits?
I know integrated low-end Radeon HD graphics isn't for "gamers," but note that it is based on the current Radeon architecture (Radeon HD 2400), so it should be much better than your GeForce 5600LE for now. Also, I don't think you can get more upgradable than a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot.
Of course, don't buy a new rig unless you need it. You seem to have other things in your life that are more important. On the other hand, a new rig can help some busy gamers keep their sanity.
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Re:New toys!For me, "Low End" means that while it doesn't have the latest and greatest, it IS fully up to date as far as socket types, FSB speeds, and RAM speeds are concerned. In other words, that there is some upgradability built into it so I can hold onto it longer and upgrade a few times before it's completely outmoded.
I recently spent some time at Newegg pricing out a new rig.
Motherboard ~ $150 (at least. Unless you want to get a motherboard that won't be upgradable because it's using a 1 generation old socket.)
Your version of "low end" looks like an upper-mid-range gaming rig to me, especially the $250 for RAM and $300 for a current-generation graphics card.
CPU ~ $200 - 300 (core 2 duo's run around $200, quads around $300)
RAM ~ $250 (for 2 gigs of average quality RAM in the proper speed. A minimum for running VM's and gaming)
Graphics card ~ $300 (for any Nvidia 8x00 card, although this may have dropped a bit with the release mentioned in TFA)If you're willing to use an AMD platform again, motherboards using the new AMD 780G chipset (socket AM2+ for Phenom, PCI Express 2.0, HyperTransport 3.0, RAID 0/1/10, integrated Radeon HD 2400 based graphics, HDMI) start at $80 ($70 after rebate) at Newegg.
For now, a $61 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (65nm with VT support) should be a very nice temporary upgrade from your Athlon 64 3500+. I'd wait for the post-TLB versions of Phenom to ship before going quad-core, but Phenom prices (currently around $200) should be significantly lower than Core 2 Quad since Intel still shows an absolute performance advantage for this generation.
I don't get how you got $250 for 2 gigs of "average quality RAM in the proper speed" because a pair of 1GB DDR2 800 sticks start at around $40 for the "value" stuff (including Patriot and Kingston) and around $75 for "enthusiast-grade" Corsair XMS. If DDR2 800 is not fast enough, does a low-end gaming/VT rig really need more than those sub-$90 DDR2 1066 kits?
I know integrated low-end Radeon HD graphics isn't for "gamers," but note that it is based on the current Radeon architecture (Radeon HD 2400), so it should be much better than your GeForce 5600LE for now. Also, I don't think you can get more upgradable than a PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot.
Of course, don't buy a new rig unless you need it. You seem to have other things in your life that are more important. On the other hand, a new rig can help some busy gamers keep their sanity.
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Re:New toys!
If $500 is too much then it's probably not a great time to be trying to upgrade your machine anyway, at least not if you want a gaming rig. But I have to point out that if you shop around you don't have to pay top dollar like that. For instance, the Asus P5B is a perfectly workable motherboard equipped with Socket 775 (for your Core2Duo) for $120. The lower end Core2Duos can easily be had for another $120, Memory is cheap. And you can even get a pretty good graphics card for under $200. Granted, this isn't top of the line parts (you have a lot of headroom on the C2D), but it would last for years assuming you don't want to run whatever the next Crytech-based game is.
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Re:New toys!
If $500 is too much then it's probably not a great time to be trying to upgrade your machine anyway, at least not if you want a gaming rig. But I have to point out that if you shop around you don't have to pay top dollar like that. For instance, the Asus P5B is a perfectly workable motherboard equipped with Socket 775 (for your Core2Duo) for $120. The lower end Core2Duos can easily be had for another $120, Memory is cheap. And you can even get a pretty good graphics card for under $200. Granted, this isn't top of the line parts (you have a lot of headroom on the C2D), but it would last for years assuming you don't want to run whatever the next Crytech-based game is.
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How practical is it?
It looks like there's no space left in the case at all. How many hard drives can it hold? How many CD-ROM drives. If I went all out on a computer with quad SLI, and dual quad core CPUs I'm not going to cheap out on hard drives.
I currently have a Lian Li PC-V2000 full tower. Holds something like 12 hard drives and 6 CD-ROMs, I had 8 drives (2.2TB) and 1 CD-ROM. Plus it gives me more than enough room to work with. The only time it's massive size became an issue is when I moved and had to bring the computer into the car and into the office for a few days. The case is under my desk so prettiness isn't much of a factor but when people see it they're impressed (not often you see a case you can sit on while rolling down the street.) I rarely understand these designer PCs, they never look that good, and the designs are almost always dated and old looking in a couple years anyway. -
Re:Wait till the spec shakes out
Tellme, what version of HD-DVD is going to have feature parity with blu-ray? Lossless sound, large capacity, minimally decent support from studios. Oh what's that? Never? Oh. Wonder why blu-ray won out.
I've sided with Blu-Ray for the past year or two, but if you take a look at the "Profile 1.0" standard, then there were certainly some areas where HD-DVD was "ahead".
Things like a second audio and video decoder for PiP output that "Profile 1.1" added (something HD-DVD included from the beginning), means that content providers don't need to "fake" the feature by providing a second full copy of the movie with the video inserted, something that should save space which is always a "good thing" even on a Blu-Ray Disk which may have more to burn. Another feature like the mandatory local storage space (256MB for "Profile 1.1" and 1GB for "Profile 2.0") and the mandatory internet access in "Profile 2.0" are also things HD-DVD included as part of its standard.
On the other hand, the forthcoming ability to download a movie from a disk to a portable player was something the HD-DVD group talked about, but dropped from the standard before it was released, whereas the Blu-Ray group decided to add it later on. Likewise HD-DVD started out with better Codecs mandatory, and while they were added as optional to Blu-Ray, original Blu-Ray disks were made using an older DVD Codec which hurt them in comparison to HD-DVD video.
So, yeah, I think Blu-Ray had way more potential, which is one of the reasons that it won out, but when the Blu-Ray "Profile 1.0" spec came out, the specification itself was behind the HD-DVD specification.The price hike is because customers are willing to pay more for blu-rays than they would have paid for hd-dvd. Maybe not you, maybe not me, but they are out there. Why not cash in? Once the early adopters are fed for another year, then we can see some cheap players. Blu-ray is not catering to the bottom. It's the best mass produced movie tech ever produced, certainly far far far ahead of hd-dvd. It will be a long time before we see $30 blu-ray drives.
If that's not what you want, then by all means wait or never buy at all. But the economics are predictable and not really sinister at all.
Absolutely. Blue-Ray is still catering to "early adopters", although I'd say we're a bit beyond that point, maybe the start of real "mass adoption" but thats a small quible. You're right that with HD-DVD out of the picture they can jack up prices to what the market will bare, but I think that because there is a clear winner, in the short term, the fact that there is a definitive winner will mean faster adoption of the technology, which in turn means lower prices. Maybe not a $30 Blu-Ray drive, but considering a BD-R drive sells for $400 today (check newegg), I could easily see it dropping to $100-$200 within a year or two, with a comparable drop in stand-alone BD players during the same time frame.
That isn't that long in terms of technology, and is not that long to wait. I for one am looking forward to buying lots of cheap DVDs and BDs from Blockbuster in the future. :) -
Re:But can I afford them yet?Current SSD drives are about HALF as fast as 5400 RPM drives in writing Really? Can you point me to a 5400 RPM drive that has a 90MBps sustained write speed? Because I'm pretty sure you can't. There are different speed SSD's, but the faster performing ones are easily on par with current spinning drives for transfer rate, and are WAY faster for random I/O. They are a noticeable improvement.
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Re:Panic?
You want 16 cores eh ?
Quad x Quad with AMD from Asus:
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=9&l2=39&l3=575&l4=0&model=1868&modelmenu=1
You want crazy I/O, try a 16 port multi-lane SATA II 3ware controller.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116059
If you need bigger I/O than that and you got a 'unlimited' budget call EMC
for a RAM drive SAN, lol.
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Re:Multi-format playersReally? Then why do most DVD burners not support DVD-RAM? Huh? http://hometheater.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/aatpdvdrecorder.htm These are the current top picks for consumer DVD recorders, and at least the top two both support DVD-RAM. Even computer drives http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151155 still support it. So I'm wondering why you keep defending your position with verifiably wrong facts.
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Re:Multi-format players
I think a lot of people here are really kidding themselves if they think the format has any future whatsoever.
I think you've missed the point then. The point is that HD-DVD is a quick, cheap and dirty way to obtain HD quality playback economically right now. The format may or may not be included on optical devices in the future, depending on whether the manufacturers think they will gain a little edge on the competition by offering backwards compatibility in new devices as they are designed in the future.
If it's easy enough, the manufacturers generally err on the side of adding the format's capability. Thus we already see products that look like this SAMSUNG Blu-ray and HD DVD Hi-Def Duo Player BD-UP5000. A standalone combo player available today that works with both formats.
Is the benefit of cheap HD right now worth the risk that the backwards compatibility may not ever appear? For some it obviously is worth the risk and thus the speculation about said future compatibility.
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Re:Multi-format playersOn the question of COMBO drives and floppies, here is a combo drive that reads 3.5 inch floppies, and just about every memory stick type ever conceived.
I can buy an HD-DVD BluRay combo drive today.
Why the deliberately obtuse antagonistic belligerent reply? I won't say that you didn't really know what the hell you were talking about, or that you just jumped at the opportunity to be an ignorant blathering fanboy.
I'm too nice for that.
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Re:Physical Media
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822144080
The power of 20 single layered Blu-Ray discs at half the cost and much faster transfer speeds. -
Re: Floppy requirementNot trying to be a smart-arse, but BIOS updates and SATA drivers still have to be installed with a floppy. No they don't. I've installed Windows XP (i386 and amd64) and updated the BIOS on my AN9 32X/Barracuda 7200.10 without even having a floppy drive in the system. Award has had a WinFlash program for years, and even Dell has Windows executables for BIOS updates now (which reboot into a DOS-like mode to do the actual update). Drivers for mass storage devices can be slipstreamed right into your install CD. RAID Slipstreamer is probably the easiest method, if your device is supported.
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Re:Was that a blog, or an ad for Sony?
"hey argue that by forcing manufacturers, who already have thin margins to cut their margins even further by creating cheaper and cheaper commodity hardware, it will limit the likelihood of manufacturers investing in high-margin, high-value, cutting edge hardware- and will therefore limit the development of said hardware."
You can go to Walmart and buy a complete PC system with LCD for $400, even less online. Has that stopped manufactures from making faster processors and video cards? Of course not, and neither will cheap laptops.
The Eee PC is no threat to Sony or any other major manufacture. It has no dvd-rw drive, no hard drive, and the cheapest $300 model only has 2gb of storage. 2gb! Most laptops have more ram than this has total storage! It costs $500 to get a Eee with only 8gb, and for that price you could buy a full-sized 1.86ghz Inspiron 1525 from Dell or Walmart has several laptops betweeen $400 and $500
Saying the Eee PC threatens laptop manufactures is like saying motorcycles threaten SUV sales. If they really want to be competitive, Sony should make a Eee PC clone. I'm sure there's money to be made selling a 7" LCD, 2gb storage and 900mhz processor for $300.
Sony's argument is BS. I would think they'd be more worried about the full-sized $500 laptops competing with their $1,500 notebooks considering they're much closer in specs. -
Re:Yeah - that's why the chips are called AMD64
Exactly, I know more people learning to program x86-64 arch than MIPS, PowerPC and IA-64 combined. Best bang for the buck right now is the 95 buck AMD 5000+ Black Edition, fully unlocked processor on a 65 nm die running at 65 watts stock. It is an easy and cheap overclock.
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Re:Not if I can help it...I've built a very good number of machines for people lately with Abit micro-ATX boards, with built-in graphics (d-sub and DVI). Throw in a 2.4 GHz X2 and 4 gigs of memory, a hard drive, and a burner, and the hardware comes to something like $300. Good, fast, and CHEAP. The only components differentiating your cheap AMD-based machines and cheap Intel-based machines are the motherboard and CPU -- and good, fast, cheap options are also available for Intel. Example:
- $65 MSI microATX motherboard (GeForce 7100 chipset, DVI, Core 2 Quad compatible)
- $59 dual-core Celeron or $70 Pentium Dual-Core (both Core 2 Duo based)
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Re:Not if I can help it...I've built a very good number of machines for people lately with Abit micro-ATX boards, with built-in graphics (d-sub and DVI). Throw in a 2.4 GHz X2 and 4 gigs of memory, a hard drive, and a burner, and the hardware comes to something like $300. Good, fast, and CHEAP. The only components differentiating your cheap AMD-based machines and cheap Intel-based machines are the motherboard and CPU -- and good, fast, cheap options are also available for Intel. Example:
- $65 MSI microATX motherboard (GeForce 7100 chipset, DVI, Core 2 Quad compatible)
- $59 dual-core Celeron or $70 Pentium Dual-Core (both Core 2 Duo based)
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Re:Not if I can help it...I've built a very good number of machines for people lately with Abit micro-ATX boards, with built-in graphics (d-sub and DVI). Throw in a 2.4 GHz X2 and 4 gigs of memory, a hard drive, and a burner, and the hardware comes to something like $300. Good, fast, and CHEAP. The only components differentiating your cheap AMD-based machines and cheap Intel-based machines are the motherboard and CPU -- and good, fast, cheap options are also available for Intel. Example:
- $65 MSI microATX motherboard (GeForce 7100 chipset, DVI, Core 2 Quad compatible)
- $59 dual-core Celeron or $70 Pentium Dual-Core (both Core 2 Duo based)
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Re:Ok, what are you smoking
If you'll note, I said E6750, not E6420. It'd be stupid to pay $200 when you can get a better processor for a bit less:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115029
Now unless it's one of the few apps that actually utilizes quad-core, the E6750 beats or compares to the 9700, which is at least $50 more expensive than it is (can't find a 9700 for sale anywhere, 9600 is $240). And if you need quad-core, the Q6600 is probably about the same price as the 9700 and about the same performance.
I've never been a fanboy of Intel nor AMD (being a fanboy in general is pretty stupid...no company always makes the best products). My prior PC was an AMD 64 3800+ (which is now chugging away happily as a server). I build AMD machines for the workstations where I work because you can make a great machine for $300. What I'm saying is that AMD is simply not competitive for most applications in the mid-high end right now. I really wish they were and hope they get there, because competition is good, very good. Intel getting the crap kicked out of it for years and producing the Conroe is a great example of why....had AMD not been beating them, they might have just stayed lazy and complacent and just done the standard MHz upgrades. -
Re:IS SP1
'Course, $300 would be a small price to pay to get a working copy of XP to make the machine actually worthwhile, but for some strange reason no one seems to want to sell XP any more, almost like the manufacturer is bullying them...
newegg claim to have it in stock and quite cheap too even for full retail.
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Which model?
From newegg.com:
Blu-ray DVD burner: US$259.99Which model is that? The cheapest model I see is $355.
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Re:For Sale
Does it support 1080p? I've been tempted to get a HD-DVD player mainly to use as a DVD upconverter. I'll be watching for the HD-A30 to go on clearance.
Newegg put the A20 on sale for $100 a few days ago. They're out of stock, but if they get any more in it's a good deal. However, it's somewhat doubtful that they'll get any more since it's the older model. Doesn't hurt to add your name to the notify list, though. -
Re:If this is failure, what is the measure of succXP starter is not for the US,and if you are not a student an OEM of Vista is $100+
That is the Vista Premium System Builder price from Newegg.com. Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Home Premium for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM No bundled hardware.
The fully assembled Acer dual core Vista Premium desktop with 2 GB of RAM is $500 at Newegg.com Let me know how many people you think build their own laptops.
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Re:So, print color as shades of gray
None of the printers that print the codes use any ink.
They are all color laser printers. In my color laser printer, even the "freebie" toner cartridges that came with the printer last for 1,500 pages, and then I replaced them after 2,000 pages with high-capacity cartridges that last for 4,500 pages each.
Also, I am pretty sure all of them use 4 colors: cyan, magenta, yellow, and black, so that your "order confirmation" printing would only use the color toner that was needed. -
Re:Simple enough fix
My color laser printer (Konica-Minolta 2530DL) only prints the yellow dots in color mode.
But that printer is a bit different in that it rotates the toner cartridges into place for every color that is going to go on each page, so a color page has to wait for all 4(CMYK) cartridges to rotate into place, but in black-only mode doesn't rotate anything to be about 5-6x faster.
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Re:It's hard to beat the price of Apple hardware.I'm just saying that most people don't understand why the following 3 processors are different.
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
- Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache Socket 771 80W Dual-Core 2U Passive Processor - Retail
Since you didn't give links I had to repeat your research. You can save your breath and inarguably prove your point by saying, "Look at these two links."
I used to work for Apple but I do not drink the Kool-Aid. http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1773 -
Re:It's hard to beat the price of Apple hardware.I'm just saying that most people don't understand why the following 3 processors are different.
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
- Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache Socket 771 80W Dual-Core 2U Passive Processor - Retail
Since you didn't give links I had to repeat your research. You can save your breath and inarguably prove your point by saying, "Look at these two links."
I used to work for Apple but I do not drink the Kool-Aid. http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1773 -
Re:It's hard to beat the price of Apple hardware.I'm just saying that most people don't understand why the following 3 processors are different.
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
- Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
- Intel Xeon 5160 Woodcrest 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache Socket 771 80W Dual-Core 2U Passive Processor - Retail
Since you didn't give links I had to repeat your research. You can save your breath and inarguably prove your point by saying, "Look at these two links."
I used to work for Apple but I do not drink the Kool-Aid. http://www.linuxactionshow.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1773 -
Re:Another class action
Google probably would be just as fast... but since I like Newegg anyway:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215
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Re:Expensive product?
Your pricing is way off. For example, you can buy Vista Home Premium for $110 (link). That's $39 cheaper than OSX Tiger. And the upgrade version is even cheaper than that, which is pretty much the equilivent to what Apple is selling you anyway, since that OSX Tiger disk is only good for computers that originally came with OSX anyway.
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Re:Linux sucks as a desktop
I have several Vista machines. My primary home desktop is running Windows Vista Ultimate and it's smooth as silk:
Pentium D 840+
4GB ECC PC6400 DDR2
Radeon HD 3870
Granted this is an excessive amount of hardware for most users (I'm a gamer), it is what I am used to and it runs great. Another Vista box I have is my Vista development box at work running Windows Vista Business. It's a Dell Optiplex 755:
Core 2 Duo E6750
4GB PC6400 DDR2
Radeon X1300
Again, this system runs smooth as silk. If Vista is running sluggish, throw more RAM at it. It's cheap as dirt and it will really help Vista's performance.
Turn off UAC, enable the the run box on the start menu, set your page file to static min and max size, turn off any unnecessary services, and your system will be singing. The same was true when XP came out. The OS was more than most peoples' hardware could handle. It's the nature of Windows. I am surprised so many people are crying about it. Last time I checked it was status quo.
4GB of RAM for $130 at Newegg --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145176
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SD cards, not USB thumb drivesOf course the Eee is portable and everything else you want; the power brick works with international voltages, I believe. The built-in SSHD should work at any altitude, addressing concerns about high-altitude failure of standard hard drives.
The Eee has also got a built-in SD slot. I would suggest getting a bunch of SDHC cards (rather than thumb drives). For example, right now Newegg is selling a 4 GB SD card for $9.49 after a mail-in rebate. So: $400 for the Eee, plus $200 for 80 GB worth of SD cards, should allow you over 3GB of photos per week. And honestly, twenty SD cards are a heck of a lot easier to manage than an optical drive and twenty DVDs.
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Asus eee
I'd go with an asus eee. Cheap, disposable, uses solid state. Instead of DVDs, mail back 512MB/1GB usb thumb drives or SD or CF....whatever you want.
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Re:32 GB of flash?!
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Re:32 GB of flash?!
Really?
And there are cheaper and more expensive models available. How about putting these up against a USB drive?
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Re:32 GB of flash?!
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32GB flash drive $280
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Re:When it rains, it pours
OCZ and Corsair make some high performance USB drives. Corsair's red Voyager GT (Not the standard blue one) gets over 20MB/sec write. Of course, "reasonably priced" may be a stretch... they're about double the price of much slower drives.
Per Corsair "Ram Guy" forums:
"The average read and write for a
4 G GT FV 25.5mbs Wite and 34 Mbs Read
Non GT 4G FV is 2.2mbs Write and 19.2mbs Read."
(Reference: http://www.asktheramguy.com/v3/showthread.php?t=65150&highlight=voyager+speed)
Corsair appears to be holding to that, offering replacements for a few that report 22MB/sec reads.
Product links:
Corsair Voyager GT 8GB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233054
OCZ Rally 2 Dual channel advertises 8MB/sec+ writes:
http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/flash_drives/ocz_rally2_usb_2_0_dual_channel_flash_memory_drive