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Fake bids.I saw this yesterday and thought the price was too low now - turns out it had been bid up to AUS$2,000,000 by jokers and he had to remove the fake bids.
Link to the story here = http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23908397-948,00.html
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Re:War is fun!
Do you mean 'like it was in 1914 and 1939'? As in when the world wars started as opposed to when the US decided to join in?
Well, you have to remember that there was a lot of anti-war sentiment in the US despite the looming danger at the time, and it almost kept us out (until it was too late)
But don't worry, anti-war sentiment in the US is growing stronger, and it seems unlikely that we will involve ourselves as the coming European crisis plays itself out, regardless of the consequences. It will be interesting to see where it begins. Maybe it already has as there are already refugees.
Holland?
Amsterdam and Rotterdam are expected to be in about 2015 the first large majority-Muslim cities. Europe or Eurabia?
UK?
Muslim Britain is becoming one big no-go area
Trouble in Londonistan
France?
Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
Why 112 cars are burning every day
Elsewhere?
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Re:War is fun!
Do you mean 'like it was in 1914 and 1939'? As in when the world wars started as opposed to when the US decided to join in?
Well, you have to remember that there was a lot of anti-war sentiment in the US despite the looming danger at the time, and it almost kept us out (until it was too late)
But don't worry, anti-war sentiment in the US is growing stronger, and it seems unlikely that we will involve ourselves as the coming European crisis plays itself out, regardless of the consequences. It will be interesting to see where it begins. Maybe it already has as there are already refugees.
Holland?
Amsterdam and Rotterdam are expected to be in about 2015 the first large majority-Muslim cities. Europe or Eurabia?
UK?
Muslim Britain is becoming one big no-go area
Trouble in Londonistan
France?
Muslims are waging civil war against us, claims police union
Why 112 cars are burning every day
Elsewhere?
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Not going to happen in other countries
The article I just read seems to indicate otherwise in Australia:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23839650-5016091,00.html
In fact the opening blurb of the article states: "THE next-generation 3G Apple iPhone will be available in Australia on prepay plans without a contract when it is released here next month."
This is how things normally happen over here. You can buy the phone outright at a premium or go with a contract and a reduced (initial) price.
So basically, you will be able to buy the phone unlocked but it is going to be a tad more expensive than the $199 / $299 price points that were mentioned. -
Re:radical Islamic moderatesIt sounds great because there's some implied racism associated with Muslims and Islam but it really rubs me the wrong way. You know what rubs me the wrong way? It is the watering down of language which deprives it of the nuance and subtlety that we need to accurately describe a situation. Your vile, incorrect use of the term "racism" is just that - something which rapes the English language by using a historically meaningful term to describe something completely incorrectly. The only mainstream religion which may possibly have the "racism" term used to describe discrimination against them are the Jewish people as their religion is tied into their ancestory.
Until people stop equating discrimination based on religion with discrimination based on race, we can never have a sensible discussion on the subject. This stupidity has grown so intense that now in France, you are unable to criticise animal rights violations because of "racism". So instead of criticising the Bush administration for being "racist", take a long hard look at your own massacring of the English language for it is doing more harm to free speech than anything that Bush has ever done. While you're at it, read 1984. -
Re:How these security cams will actually be used
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Re:!evil, just no trust
You know, read the labels on the devices and such?
If they have a decent power distribution board they can get an instantaneous readout from that.
Targeting one industry for it's power usage is a bit dumb. For instance I work in a fairly normal sized supermarket which pulls 415Vx3 at around 400A on each, so how many supermarkets are there around the world?
And if you want worse, here in Australia and other countries with large mining operations, the mines and other associated industries can pull the entire output from an average sized power station just for their own operations at a single site.
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Re:But no evolution.
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"Providing those details would be inappropriate"Google Street Maps was not welcome in Australia, too. But the newspaper "The Australian" had an interesting idea: the asked Google for the addresses of the Google managers.
While Google has defended the project, the internet company baulked when The Weekend Australian requested the personal details and addresses of the group's key figures to allow the paper's photographers to take pictures of their homes. "Providing those details would be completely inappropriate," said Google spokesman Rob Shilkin.
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Re:Satanic
666 is the number of the beast.
It's actually 616 and it was a coded reference to Caligula.Caligula is long dead, crisis averted.
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Re:Waste of my tax dollars.
Let me ask you something - if everyone is guilty of something, how do government officials stay in the office? Either they can be found just as guilty of something, and then everyone's on the same footing - and Ayn Rand falls flat on her face. Or they are exempt from laws that affect the regular plebeians
They are exempted, as it is the case in Australia: hundreds of police officers in South Australia were caught with pirated movies on their computers, but they will not be prosecuted because "the ability to effectively police the state will be severely diminished". -
Re:In the words of G. Gordon Liddy (post prison)
Yeah, because eeeeeverybody here agrees to cop killings over some dispute about copyright violations.
When enough pigs will be killed because they're stupid enough for enforcing silly laws, one day will come that only the smarter cops will be left, and hell will freeze over when they'll start enforcing them...Don't believe me? Something very similar just occured in Australia: hundreds of police officers in South Australia were caught with pirated movies on their computers, but they will not be prosecuted because "the ability to effectively police the state will be severely diminished".
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Re:mods?
Yeah, I'm not sure that there's any evidence showing the warming trend changing to a cooling trend.
That doesn't stop people from conjuring up theories about it though!
Take this article from yesterdays Australian newspaper:
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/yoursay/index.php/theaustralian/comments/sorry_to_ruin_the_fun_but_an_ice_age_cometh/
as some of the comments there suggest, even the studies cited in the article contradict this 'new ice age' or global cooling that is apparently happening.
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Re:CNN was at fault too
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Re:Obama is apparently a Fascist
I'm basing "federalizing" on "nationalize early-education" from the article.
And no, it's not necessarily, that much different. Funding vs federal control. By saying "nationalize," it certainly sounds like control by the feds.
Of course since Obama is pretty much lacking in specfics everywhere, who knows what the hell he means?
Meanwhile, I'll just go back to by typical midwestern gun-clinging, xenophobic ways.
-john
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/obama_appeals_to_bigots -
Re:PayPal is not a Bank
Hate to burst your bubble but the Reserve Bank or Government don't guarantee bank deposits currently if a bank falls over. The RBA is attempting to make such law, but no one actually appears interested same as when it was brought up in the 60s, 90s or 2001 - maybe because it's only the poor peoples money. More Info: http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23444519-462,00.html
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Re:PayPal is not a BankFirstly, although PayPal may have a banking license in switzerland, it is not a bank per se and the Australian Reserve Bank will not guarantee my money with paypal if any. The Australian Reserve Bank doesn't appear to guarantee money with any banks. To quote a recent new article: There is a widespread perception in Australia that bank deposits are government-guaranteed, but the system instead relies on rigorous oversight of banks and other deposit-taking institutions.
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Psychopathy.I doubt if it can be tagged to a single gene, but certain traits which make up the basket deal of psychopathy certainly results from differently-functioning brains.
The distinctive brains of psychopaths.
"But for psychopaths, the word 'cancer' and the word 'table' had the same emotional connotations - which is to say, not very many. It's as if they're emotionally color-blind."
Even more staggering were the findings of a study conducted by New York City psychiatrist Joanne Intrator, with Hare's collaboration, at the Bronx Veterans Administration hospital in 1993. The investigators employed the same language test, this time injecting the subjects with a radioactive tracer and scanning color images of their brains. As normal subjects processed the emotion-laden words, their brains lit up with activity, particularly in the areas around the ventromedial frontal cortex and amygdala. The former plays a crucial role in controlling impulses and long-term planning, while the amygdala is often described as "the seat of emotion." But in the psychopaths, those parts of the brain appeared to remain inactive while processing the emotion-laden words. That, says Hare, helps explain why a psychopath's conscience is only half-formed. "I showed the scans to several neurologists," recalls Hare. "They said that it did not even look like a human brain. One of them asked, 'Is this person from Mars?' "According to Scientific American.
Not surprisingly, psychopaths are overrepresented in prisons; studies indicate that about 25 percent of inmates meet diagnostic criteria for psychopathy. Nevertheless, research also suggests that a sizable number of psychopaths may be walking among us in everyday life. Some investigators have even speculated that "successful psychopaths" - those who attain prominent positions in society - may be overrepresented in certain occupations, such as politics, business and entertainment. Yet the scientific evidence for this intriguing conjecture is preliminary.One in 100.
One person in 100 is a psychopath, meaning that they lack a moral compass, sense of responsibility or empathy (this is a personality disorder, not a mental illness). And although they are overrepresented in the prison system, according to research by American psychologist Dr. Paul Babiak, and his Canadian counterpart Dr. Robert Hare, psychopaths are also well-represented in corporate environments.here's a story about what I'd say is a very black & white likely case of psychopathy, and one at its worst, at least on a small scale.
The above link being pretty heavy, I thought I'd offer this lighter fare; A pseudo-scientific test to measure yourself on the psychopath-meter.
If you're going to navigate your pathway through reality, (down the river of life), you need to know where the rocks are if you're going to be able to avoid crashing into them. Christianity and the like has programmed all kinds of self-destructive behavior into human-kind. "Turn the other cheek" is an example of social programming which makes us food for the psychopathic human-type, --the type which I would guess is generally in charge of countries and most of the most powerful organizations which shape our lives; the psychopath recognizes its own and shapes the rules of the world to benefit itself, and study of the power structures over the centuries, doesn't really ever let go once the seat of power is attained. --Christ's supposed dying on the cross, (which I am doubtful actually happened for a variety of reasons, not the l -
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It's too late!Slashdot wont be worth coming to tomorrow... see you all on the 2nd...
Poor silly mortal. Have you forgotten the International Date Line? April Fools is already here!
Stories emerging from the other side of the planet:
A NEW Google program powered by artificial intelligence allows internet users to search web pages 24 hours before they're created, the company said today.
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Re:how to get a job 101
Let's just simplify the equation a bit more through the magic of science!
Women are more attracted to symmetrical, masculine persons during the period of ovulation. You need to know when that is, and make sure you are the one who satisfies that longing. During the interim periods women are more attracted to the stable, dependable, kind, security-providing sort of person. This tends to be the case just as much for lesbian, bisexual, and heterosexual women.
Now, consider whether your intended is a cat-lover. Apart from the obvious ramifications of felinophilia, there is an increased likelihood that she could be infected with the toxoplasma gondii parasite. Also, if she is fond of undercooked meats, beware. Toxoplasma gondii is capable of altering behavior in radical ways. In mice, it causes them to become attracted to the odor of cat urine. In human females it increases sexual promiscuity and risk-taking behaviors. In males, it increases stupidity. It has also been linked to schizophrenia. Thank god there's a cure.
Watch the biological and psychological elements. Remember that - yes - you can infer a personality in all things... but intent, choice, preference, the sense of need... all these can be biologically driven and need to be considered in their influence over behavioral trends, especially in regard to sex and fidelity, for those who prefer it.
Your best bet, then, is to be meticulous in your selection. Stay close to the healthiest females. Take a yoga class, go to the gym. Instead of going to the pub at night for your beauty-pints, try a juice bar in the afternoon. Ask one of the perky lasses that frequent such places about wheatgrass.
But be wary also. Even here... you must be watchful for signs of mental instability, the tendency to bounce away. On the other hand, if she doesn't really fire up your brain, have a good wank to clear your head and let her bounce, bounce, bounce.
Once you get a good one, strong of body, mind, and spirit, never let your attention slacken. Stay engaged. Never retreat. Consider the film The Shining as an instructive beacon why you should never, ever, get addicted to work, stress, and oblivion.
Bear in mind that in Europe, unlike in the United States, men and women generally like each other. If you're not having lunch as often with male and female friends, you should feel like the Troglodyte you are. That goes for you women too. Develop a taste for espresso, lighten up, and for god's sake call up a girl just to hang out. Coward.
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yea, and what if you are..
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Re:You are soooo right!
Hmmmm, maybe you could try Richie Sambora then?
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Re:Stupid on both sides
It must be quite a workload to find and redact 'sensitive' info. What makes you think he destroys that info when he finds it? What is his motive and reward for all that 'wasted' effort? My bullshit meter says this guy is in it to make a buck.
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Re:Carrying capacity overshoot
The ultimate bottleneck for human population growth is the amount of available phosphorous. There are theoretical work-arounds for every other limiting factor, but the phosphorous limit would require mass-scale transmutation of matter to get past.
An article in the Australian says we'll see shortages by 2040.
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In other news:In Adelaide they submitted a march of their own to the council, nullifying our permit. It went ahead anyway, with well over two hundred attending: News story, Gallery.
We're never going to give them up, never going to let them down.
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In other news:In Adelaide they submitted a march of their own to the council, nullifying our permit. It went ahead anyway, with well over two hundred attending: News story, Gallery.
We're never going to give them up, never going to let them down.
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Re:4 per yearI honestly don't know about China's natural resources, but they seem to be consuming so much that they need to import steel and metals in scrap form from the US like gangbusters. I think this is because it's currently cheaper to refine it from scrap than mine it... It's even cheaper to steal it.
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Re:As the original submitter...
They get caught doing it now and then, but people rarely connect the dots that this is their policy.
Secret Scientology letter war exposed July 12, 2007, Joe Hildebrand, Daily Telegraph -
Re:Censorship Is Never Necessary
Unfortunately, a Labour government in Australia was the lesser of two evils. If the liberals had of gotten back in, they would have spent $189m dollars on providing the exact same thing...
There was a widely run and very successful ad campaign, which just gives kids the message "weird old guys will lie to you online, so don't believe everything you're told".
That ad campaign must have been so successfully aimed at kids that not being a kid, I missed seeing or hearing about it...I wont even get started on some of the underhanded tactics that the Liberals used to distract voters from the real issues during an election or how John Howard pledged that he would never ever bring in a GST(which he then pledged to bring a GST in the very next election). Or how he has sold off our telecommunications infrastructure to help balance his budget (Labour will get burnt by this if they do not sell off the rest of Telstra and have major troubles trying to balance this year's budget without cutting spending).
And I wont even get mention the "work place reform" that was implemented by John Howard and the Liberal government which screwed over a lot of employees who got fired and then offered their jobs back with lower incomes/benefits etc.
This is getting a bit longer then I had hoped and is actually off-topic so I will leave it at that...
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Re:This is a good thing.I was with you up until Rudd-Labor in bold to emphasise that this wasn't a problem under the Liberals, who had a realistic approach based on educating children, which was very successful If you're referring to the ridiculous "scare everyone" ad campaign I saw pre-election, I would hardly deem that successful. It was more a laughing stock. If you're referring to the original "everyone gets a free filtering product", I would hardly deem that successful. It had basically no one using it. And Howard tried several times to get industry-wide filtering adopted, but was rebuffed each time by ISPs telling him it simply wasn't feasible.
Examples:
Howard endorsing ISP-level filtering last year - http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22224981-11949,00.html
Communications Minister Richard Alston contemplating mandatory filtering software in 2003 - http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/04/1046540188131.html
The original filtering software a failure in 1999 - http://www.efa.org.au/Publish/PR990730.html
You may not personally agree with the Labor party, but trying to claim Howard and the Liberals were the party of sense regarding Internet censorship is either duplicitous or naive. Both pander to the "think of the children" brigade. -
Re:Censorship Is Never NecessaryMod parent up and ignore grandparent as irrelevant. Both parties are practically identical on the issue of filtering.
The former Liberal government announced the investigation and trial of this policy during the recent election campaign, and when Labor won it continued the process. To quote from one of our daily newspapers, Howard announced this in August of last year: As well as practical tools to assist families to put internet pornography beyond the reach of children, the Government will form partnerships with major computer providers in upgraded steps to block porn sites. - http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,22218715-15306,00.html -
Sorry, try again.
Heard this story covered on Canada's CBC radio show Searchengine.
Youngster cracks 1st version, then updated version of the filter in less than an hour each.
Household internet access computers belong in the livingroom or other public area until the kids have homes of their own.
here's the link:
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Re:Um, WTF?
the current communications minister is the one making all the noise about 'clean-feed', trying to suck up to Family First in the senate
That isn't very clear in the article linked, barely a mention in one paragraph buried in the story. Maybe another article may have been more appropriate... like here for instance.
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Re:Save Lives?
Which is not to say that civilians getting caught in the middle between two warring sides is anything new or novel, but the least we could do is not try to dismiss it by implying they deserve to get killed.
Someone is implying that Iraqis deserve to get killed? I doubt it is the US military. They seem to be working pretty hard to help Iraq rebuild and protect Iraqis from terrorism.
Focus On Projects That Put Iraqis Back to Work
Market Fair Helps Baghdad Residents Plan for Economic Future
Soldiers Provide Aid to Orphanage
Coalition, Iraqi Army Bring the Heat, Fuel Iraqi Fires
Work Resumes at Water Treatment Plant for Al-Zeirji Town
Police transition teams help Iraqi police take back streets
506th RCT Soldiers Distribute School Supplies to Iraqi Children
Streams of water bring progress, hope to village
More Electricity Projects Improving Lives in Dhi Qar Province
Marines Launch Rescue Effort to Save 3-year-old Hadithah Girl
Soldiers Work With Poultry Growers to Revitalize Chicken Industry
Maybe it is the extremists and insurgents that you are thinking of. After all, Al Qaeda considers the Shia heretics, and most of the Sunnis in Iraq as traitors, and wants to kill them both.
Tribal force in Iraq target of attacks
Bus bomb kills five in bustling market
Teenage Bomber Strikes In Anbar - Suicide Attack Targets Meeting Of Tribal Leaders
Female suicide bombers shatter Baghdad calm
Bin Laden's trained children of death
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Re:Save Lives?
Which is not to say that civilians getting caught in the middle between two warring sides is anything new or novel, but the least we could do is not try to dismiss it by implying they deserve to get killed.
Someone is implying that Iraqis deserve to get killed? I doubt it is the US military. They seem to be working pretty hard to help Iraq rebuild and protect Iraqis from terrorism.
Focus On Projects That Put Iraqis Back to Work
Market Fair Helps Baghdad Residents Plan for Economic Future
Soldiers Provide Aid to Orphanage
Coalition, Iraqi Army Bring the Heat, Fuel Iraqi Fires
Work Resumes at Water Treatment Plant for Al-Zeirji Town
Police transition teams help Iraqi police take back streets
506th RCT Soldiers Distribute School Supplies to Iraqi Children
Streams of water bring progress, hope to village
More Electricity Projects Improving Lives in Dhi Qar Province
Marines Launch Rescue Effort to Save 3-year-old Hadithah Girl
Soldiers Work With Poultry Growers to Revitalize Chicken Industry
Maybe it is the extremists and insurgents that you are thinking of. After all, Al Qaeda considers the Shia heretics, and most of the Sunnis in Iraq as traitors, and wants to kill them both.
Tribal force in Iraq target of attacks
Bus bomb kills five in bustling market
Teenage Bomber Strikes In Anbar - Suicide Attack Targets Meeting Of Tribal Leaders
Female suicide bombers shatter Baghdad calm
Bin Laden's trained children of death
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Re:Save Lives?
How about saving lives by not using air-strikes in densely populated civilian neighbourhoods?
If you want to reduce fatalities from explosions in Iraqi neighborhoods, why not take a stand against things that really happen instead of imaginary problems? The explosions that are killing significant numbers of Iraqi civilians are from bus, truck, and car bombs and suicide bomb attacks conducted by Al Qaeda and other extremists, not imaginary US air strikes. This isn't exactly an obscure fact. Politically unpalatable to some, but not obscure. -
Re:A guarantee
Hello Kitty shirts, Gas masks
Rather er, interestingly, that photo was on the front page of news.com.au, but they had to censor out the word "CULT", apparentely on the advice of their lawyers... (Of course, I don't blame them, considering the CoS's past behaviour.) I can't find the image in any of the stories now, but it's still on their servers. -
Re:A guarantee
Hello Kitty shirts, Gas masks
Rather er, interestingly, that photo was on the front page of news.com.au, but they had to censor out the word "CULT", apparentely on the advice of their lawyers... (Of course, I don't blame them, considering the CoS's past behaviour.) I can't find the image in any of the stories now, but it's still on their servers. -
Re:Better coverage of the London protest
There was pretty extensive covering on the Australian TV news. I'd imagine that this was because it made good viewing - especially because everyone was wearing masks.
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Perspective.
Compare no, link yes! This is Mick trying to cover Mick's arse by blaming the media. Previously he has tried to blame scotland yard, Indian police, unidentified tipsters, the chief prosecuter, disloyal officers, and of course Haneef himself. Personly I am suprised he hasn't thought of pinning the mess on Corey
Mick's problem is not that he prostitutes his position to curry political favour, it's the fact that everyone knows it.
As for Labour sticking with Mick, not a chance! Remeber in 2000 the AFP raided the home of a Labour MP's adviser in what amounted to a fishing expedition on opposition foreign policy of the time. Labour will relish doing Mick slowly and publicly with the promised full blown inquiry. As for Labour being any better, well soak in the irony of Rudd suggesting Mick's opinion on censorship should be censored. -
Re:1984
From an article in The Australian (a national paper): "Attorney-General Robert McClelland has publicly rebuked Australian Federal Police commissioner Mick Keelty over his call for a press blackout on terror laws."
"The Government has no plans to introduce a media blackout on the reporting of terrorism cases,'' Mr McClelland said.
So basically it's just the AFP chief's fantasy.
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Keelty is a Serial Incompetent
Keelty and the AFP demonstrated incredible incompetency in the case of Dr Haneef. The AFP even selectively leaked details to the press, then called for Hanfeef's lawyer to be disbarred when he released the whole transcript (to show the AFP were leaking selectively). I'm amazed Keelty still has a job after that. The police acted like thugs at the APEC protests. Politically Keelty was too close to the old government.
This is about Keelty tried to stop the press from reporting his serial incompetency. When we get an incompetant cop who calls for free speech to be restricted, it's really time to pension him off.
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/letters/index.php/theaustralian/comments/keelty_has_nothing_to_fear_from_a_free_and_fair_media
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/keelty-defends-afp-over-haneef/2007/07/20/1184560027975.html?s_cid=rss_news -
But what about Australia!
We're the highest at 31.1%. Isn't that worth a mention?
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And Oceania at 31%
Has a map of the whole world, not just a small part of it:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23136815-5014239,00.html -
Warner, EMI, Universal agreements may not exist
Or not?
That article states that Warner, EMI and Universal media group have all denied signing any sort of agreement with the qtrax people. The author attempted to contact Sony on the issue but was unsuccessful. -
Re:Aaargh!
This is a great story:
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Documentary maker and freelance TV cameraman Terry Turner thought he was the victim of a drive-by shooting outside his Paradise Point home on Wednesday. He had heard a motorcycle and then a bang and felt blood coming from a head wound.
But police investigations revealed the bang almost certainly came from a postman's backfiring motorbike. Police believe the noise startled Turner and he banged his head on a boat he was repairing in his driveway.
After he was taken to Gold Coast Hospital, police searched his home for bullets. They allegedly found some, but none had been used to shoot Turner.
Instead, police later charged him with weapons offences involving a Glock 9mm magazine containing ammunition, a Taser stun gun and handcuffs. Turner was bailed to appear in court next month.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23104079-3102,00.html
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From the first story, I think he either ran with the wrong crowd on occasion, or was paranoid that someone was going to "get him" after one of his exposé-style docos, so he got a gun for protection. Unfortunately for him, "protection" is not a valid reason for getting a gun licence in Queensland.
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Re:I was going to ask...
Somebody posted just such a link above
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23060778-13762,00.html
