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Why wait for Maemo when you have Python for S60, besides a free SDK for C? I already have open-source podcast players running in my phone and mobile Wifi hotspot sharing my 3G connection, without having to jailbreak,

OP didn't say anything about UI, as you'd surely know if you had bothered to read the summary:

What I actually need is a platform independent lib covering Windows and Linux variants to handle sockets, IPC and threads abstractions

*ahem*

And if you bothered to read what Qt was about, then you'd realize that Qt is in fact a platform independent lib covering Windows and Linux variants to handle sockets, IPC and threads abstractions (as well as a whole lotta other things.)

Classes that Qt offers:
http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.5/classes.html

The obvious answer would be QT, imho.

Qt and SQLite. Seriously. LGPL and kick-ass! Also, Qt can be compiled to have SQLite completely built-in. No extra libs/dlls needed. It handles networking, threading, IPC, SQL and much more. No need for platform-specific ifdefs.

Qt and SQLite. Seriously. LGPL and kick-ass! Also, Qt can be compiled to have SQLite completely built-in. No extra libs/dlls needed. It handles networking, threading, IPC, SQL and much more. No need for platform-specific ifdefs.

Qt and SQLite. Seriously. LGPL and kick-ass! Also, Qt can be compiled to have SQLite completely built-in. No extra libs/dlls needed. It handles networking, threading, IPC, SQL and much more. No need for platform-specific ifdefs.

Qt and SQLite. Seriously. LGPL and kick-ass! Also, Qt can be compiled to have SQLite completely built-in. No extra libs/dlls needed. It handles networking, threading, IPC, SQL and much more. No need for platform-specific ifdefs.

Qt and SQLite. Seriously. LGPL and kick-ass! Also, Qt can be compiled to have SQLite completely built-in. No extra libs/dlls needed. It handles networking, threading, IPC, SQL and much more. No need for platform-specific ifdefs.

Qt and SQLite. Seriously. LGPL and kick-ass! Also, Qt can be compiled to have SQLite completely built-in. No extra libs/dlls needed. It handles networking, threading, IPC, SQL and much more. No need for platform-specific ifdefs.

If you want "close to the metal" POSIX API compatibility then there's Cygwin which is easier to use IMO and more actively developed but doesn't support the *full* POSIX spec or there is UWIN which supports most of the POSIX spec.

Combine this with OpenGL, OpenAL, the SDL and Cygwin/X, QT, a Java layer using the SWT from Eclipse, *shudder* GLUT *shudder* ;) or IMNSHO preferably wxWindows/wxWidgets and you've got yourself a full cross-platform programming toolkit that can do just about anything.

jdb2

Point for point:

- sockets
- IPC
- threads abstractions
- Database. Well, not quite so simple, but Sqlite3 as backend is available.

Point for point:

- sockets
- IPC
- threads abstractions
- Database. Well, not quite so simple, but Sqlite3 as backend is available.

Point for point:

- sockets
- IPC
- threads abstractions
- Database. Well, not quite so simple, but Sqlite3 as backend is available.

Point for point:

- sockets
- IPC
- threads abstractions
- Database. Well, not quite so simple, but Sqlite3 as backend is available.

Shouldn't Palm at least be checking to see if the apps are malware?

'cause Apple's application inspection regime has worked well to prevent malware, right?

If your platform security relies on code inspection to catch malware, you're setting yourself up for epic fail.

Is that functionality malware? From post #29585841,

I was curious if this was possible on other devices. Seems like all the big ones have some API functionality to retrieve similar information:

- http://docs.blackberry.com/en/developers/deliverables/8540/Retrieve_phone_number_BB_device_565546_11.jsp Blackberry

- http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2004/11/28/271110.aspx Windows Mobile

- http://www.forum.nokia.com/infocenter/index.jsp?topic=/S60_5th_Edition_Cpp_Developers_Library/GUID-3EB7E846-A29F-4546-B04D-A90B009903EF.html [nokia.com] Symbian (while on casual inspection there appears to be no function to retrieve the phone number, you can retrieve the IMEI, and be notified on events such as phone calls, at which point you can retrieve the caller ID as well as the dialed number)

- http://developer.android.com/reference/android/telephony/TelephonyManager.html Android (requires permissions be granted to the app)

So it's malware on the iPhone, when it's a supported API on a number of other platforms, except Symbian.

OTOH, this is good for Palm - we'll soon be inundated with Norton Antivirus for WebOS, McAfee Antivirus for WebOS, etc. Just like Symbian and I believe WinMo have. After all, we can't have another Liberty virus that afflicted PalmOS devices. (This was named after the Liberty Game Boy Emulator for PalmOS).

And I suppose, good for developers of fart apps, flashlight apps, and other spam apps. Last one was particularly interesting. Helps the Pre's app numbers, though.

Actually it's funny they should do that before this is released and from what I can tell about this as an OS, it might turn out to be what Plam promised with the Pre.

Nokia Sports Tracker lets you export your workout data as KML files. It also supports GPX, XML, CSV or Google Earth compatible formats. You can locally access all the data whenever you want. And, as it uses open formats, you can upload your workouts to Google Maps and have them appear there.

Looking around, it appears it has an OMAP 3430, which is pretty darn cool from my perspective. I worked on the C64x+ DSP that's on that chip. It's the same chip that powers the Nokia N900.

Why not just get a phone that let's you install whatever you damn well please.

For more information about Nokia's efforts see:

http://www.nokia.com/technology/upcoming-innovations/indoor-positioning
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/09/23/indoor-positioning-coming-to-life/

For more information about Nokia's efforts see:

http://www.nokia.com/technology/upcoming-innovations/indoor-positioning
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/09/23/indoor-positioning-coming-to-life/

What about Maemo?

Based on Debian, access to root via a terminal, and soon to be available on what looks to be a rather nice smartphone.

I was curious if this was possible on other devices. Seems like all the big ones have some API functionality to retrieve similar information:

- http://docs.blackberry.com/en/developers/deliverables/8540/Retrieve_phone_number_BB_device_565546_11.jsp Blackberry

- http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2004/11/28/271110.aspx Windows Mobile

- http://www.forum.nokia.com/infocenter/index.jsp?topic=/S60_5th_Edition_Cpp_Developers_Library/GUID-3EB7E846-A29F-4546-B04D-A90B009903EF.html Symbian (while on casual inspection there appears to be no function to retrieve the phone number, you can retrieve the IMEI, and be notified on events such as phone calls, at which point you can retrieve the caller ID as well as the dialed number)

- http://developer.android.com/reference/android/telephony/TelephonyManager.html Android (requires permissions be granted to the app)

Android's a step in the right direction, but it still seems to be a little locked-down with third-party code being forced into Java.

Right now, the most free option looks to be the Maemo platform that Nokia's pushing with their new N900. Like Android, it's Linux-based, but it apparently also gives you access to a root shell and native code.

Show me their standardized network...

http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_40_0/doc/html/boost_asio.html

...threading...

http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_40_0/doc/html/thread.html

...GUI...

*shrug* There's not a *standard* GUI, but there are a few high-quality ones:
http://qt.nokia.com/
http://www.wxwidgets.org/
http://www.fltk.org/

If there was a phone with the openness of Android/WebOS, the polish of the iPhone, the large amount of networks like the BlackBerry, all in one phone it would sell like crazy.

You may be interested in this: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Android (and Palm's new WebOS) phones seem fairly cool but I'd rather use a phone that had more of the normal Linux userland. The FreeRunner still has lots of very rough edges but the new Nokia N900 with Maemo 5 looks really mouth-watering

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Android (and Palm's new WebOS) phones seem fairly cool but I'd rather use a phone that had more of the normal Linux userland. The FreeRunner still has lots of very rough edges but the new Nokia N900 with Maemo 5 looks really mouth-watering

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You missed (Available soon):

Maemo (Nokia N900): free...yes, even root...no hacking required. Free out of the box.

http://maemo.nokia.com/

...or, soon, Maemo (Nokia N900) or even Symbian these days is open source, depending on your definition...

Maemo should allow you to tinker as much as you like :

http://maemo.nokia.com/

Take a look at the N900. It has more or less exactly the specs you outlined and it runs Maemo which is a mobile optimized linux distro. Its a little pricey (~$600 or so) but IMHO well worth the cost. I'll be ordering mine shortly.

Would be interesting to see how it compares in meaningful features with other Android cellphones and from other platforms (iphone, latest blackberry, nokia n900, etc).

From the image here you can quite clearly see that the Cliq keyboard has an Alt key. However, here you will notice that the N900 on the other hand has a Ctrl key.

The N900 therefore, clearly beats the Cliq on the only count that really matters... vi support. :P

Huh? ARM processors are always built into SoCs - System on a Chip.

An example is the TI OMAP3530. The chip uses slightly under a watt when going full throttle, with CPU, GPU, and DSP.

It features a Cortex A8 @ 600 or 720mhz (rivals a Pentium 3 at the same speed), which can be overclocked to between 800-900mhz.

It has an SGX 530 GPU (Basically a DX10 GPU with GF6200LE speeds - but it has immature closed-source drivers that only support OGL ES 2.0 and 1.1. No DirectX at all, despite the capabilities of the hardware.

It has a C64x DSP, which is a highly parallel and limited processor with massive throughput. Apparently it can decode 1080p H.264 - TI has licensed evaluation codecs proving this - but there are no free or open source DSP codecs available at the moment.

It has an ISP(Image Signal Processor) providing free S-Video out and upscaling.

And like I said, all with under a watt of power consumption. You can stick as much RAM as you want on it, in 128MiB blocks soldered directly to it. Most OMAP3530 devices opt for 256MiB because of the cost.

Perfect use scenarios are phones, consoles, and hacker toys. But with P3 performance, some will also make it into low end cheap Netbooks, paving the way for A9's.

For technophiles, the iPhone is dead. The n900, with it's Debian-based-OS and open platform, is our new lord and savior.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Remember folks, it's okay to tout your fanboy product if popular opinion also likes it.

I assume you speak of the successor to my n810? I do enjoy having a full Linux system on my PDA, runs the apps I want etc. HOWEVER! Its is NOT a phone.

FYI, the N900 is a smartphone (an upcoming smartphone, mind you). It is designed much like the N800/N810, and runs Maemo (and can be used as an Internet tablet), but it is also a full-featured cell-phone. More information: official site, Wikipedia, Slashdot story and follow-up.

The N810 wasn't, the N900 is.

For technophiles, the iPhone is dead. The n900, with it's Debian-based-OS and open platform, is our new lord and savior.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

For $650 USD, it sure as hell better be...

For technophiles, the iPhone is dead. The n900, with it's Debian-based-OS and open platform, is our new lord and savior. http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

For technophilles, the iPhone is dead. The n900, with it's Debian-based-OS and open platform, is our new lord and savior.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

That's why I would much rather have a Nokia N900. No annoying provider tied to the phone, runs an open source OS... Beautiful.

Look at the N900 feature list - "Phone" is fourth down.

Maemo may power Nokia's high-end devices, but this is no reason to sound the death knell for Symbian. With regard to Nokia, they make a lot of phones that are not the N900, and do not cost 500 euro. There are also dozens of other companies supporting the Symbian Foundation, including many other manufacturers like Samsung and Sony Ericsson.

Symbian^4 will use Qt as its UI layer, and Maemo is moving into a similar direction (that's why Nokia bought Trolltech!) - targeting both platforms should be quite simple.

I'm an avid fan of Nokia and Symbian phones from Philippines, and I'd like to share my interest in exploring new features in mobile technology particularly this new device and its Maemo platform for mobile communicators.

I'd like to witness how it performs well as a device, mobile communicator, and internet tablet, and be able to know what lies behind this new mobile OS.

I also want to know how worthy to have this device over the other existing and upcoming competitors and rivals in its level, and chat and meet people with the same interest.

I hope we can share each and everyone's knowledge on this stuff among all of electronic gadgets we've had. http://www.Nokia-N900.org is nice place to hangout.

Just looking at it is, in fact, quite enough to conclusively settle the question. It's most definitely a phone.

Uh, it's not unsourced, it's definitely a phone. http://maemo.nokia.com/features/phone/ . Nokia just likes to call them mobile computers, because that's what they are at some level. And Nokia has definitely said that it's a phone numerous times. Why would they complain about carriers otherwise?

http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/N900

Here it says that it won't support OGG, but it manages to support the completely abandoned Windows Media shit. The only unpatented format it can play is WAV. And it records to AAC (WTF!!!!). It doesn't know about SVG, but manages to support WMF (fortunately WMF is not patented). This phone is a giant step in the right direction, but it's still not the 'dream platform' for open source development.

If you're considering getting one of these (and I certainly am), why not go to the N900 mini-site and submit your email address to get an alert when the phone goes on general sale. If nothing else it will show Nokia that there is legitimate, widespread interest in this phone and hopefully help them keep their resolve against the evil telcos!

N900 site is here: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ (scroll all the way to the bottom for the form that lets you submit your email addy).

Also, to whet your appetite of what's likely to come, check out this forum post over on the maemo boards: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24272

feast yer eyes on these specs

AND if you look HERE you will find also a nice wee selection of speakers and such that you can use with it. it i was to use it to listen to stuff without headphones, i know i'd be using either those externals OR the FM transmitter for the car.Also for your infornmartion the N95,N95 8gb, N97,N97 and this comes with....[dumroll]...STEREO SPEAKERS BUILT IN

and what about this " * Maemo browser powered by Mozilla technology" as the browser... not mozilla enough for you?

and come with apps?


* Maemo Browser

* Phone

* Conversations

* Contacts

* Camera

* Photos

* Media player

* Email

* Calendar

* Ovi Maps

* Clock

* Notes

* Calculator

* PDF reader

* File manager

* RSS reader

* Sketch

* Games

* Widgets

* Application manager for downloads

or those not count as apps?also remember this puppy is most probably gonna get very much embraced by the open source community, they have built it "and they will come" and write some fucking wonderful apps

SO ..... apart from NOT actually reading the spec or knowing the spec of the latter part of the N series, what is your major malfunction?

Also ant reasonably minded person knows that a carrier "subsidy" isn't really a subsidy at all.... it's HIRE PURCHASE. the payments fr your phone are spread across the conbtract term. and thus buying your phone outright is always cheaper same as it is for buying anything upfront. i would even go sofar as to say like any other credit terms the purchase of the phone (not counting the line rental)generates a tidy profit in itself to the carriers.

not hard to understand really.... as is someone saying "yeah this new product if GREAT and our next product will be an improvement on that!"

it's not as if someone is gonna say "out stuff is shit and next up is even shittier"

feast yer eyes on these specs

AND if you look HERE you will find also a nice wee selection of speakers and such that you can use with it. it i was to use it to listen to stuff without headphones, i know i'd be using either those externals OR the FM transmitter for the car.Also for your infornmartion the N95,N95 8gb, N97,N97 and this comes with....[dumroll]...STEREO SPEAKERS BUILT IN

and what about this " * Maemo browser powered by Mozilla technology" as the browser... not mozilla enough for you?

and come with apps?


* Maemo Browser

* Phone

* Conversations

* Contacts

* Camera

* Photos

* Media player

* Email

* Calendar

* Ovi Maps

* Clock

* Notes

* Calculator

* PDF reader

* File manager

* RSS reader

* Sketch

* Games

* Widgets

* Application manager for downloads

or those not count as apps?also remember this puppy is most probably gonna get very much embraced by the open source community, they have built it "and they will come" and write some fucking wonderful apps

SO ..... apart from NOT actually reading the spec or knowing the spec of the latter part of the N series, what is your major malfunction?

Also ant reasonably minded person knows that a carrier "subsidy" isn't really a subsidy at all.... it's HIRE PURCHASE. the payments fr your phone are spread across the conbtract term. and thus buying your phone outright is always cheaper same as it is for buying anything upfront. i would even go sofar as to say like any other credit terms the purchase of the phone (not counting the line rental)generates a tidy profit in itself to the carriers.

not hard to understand really.... as is someone saying "yeah this new product if GREAT and our next product will be an improvement on that!"

it's not as if someone is gonna say "out stuff is shit and next up is even shittier"

Straight from the horse's mouth.

Look at section "Call features"

Well... I'd have to say maybe, but it's certainly not limited to T-Mobile. Scroll down to 'Operating frequency' * Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 * WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz My guess is it will be sold unlocked in the US, much like many of their high end phones.

Perhaps, but even so, the 3G will only work on T-Mobile, just like the G1. For 3G AT&T uses 850/1900 while T-Mobile uses 1700/2100.

Well, they still might look like crap, but it does improve them quite a lot.

It is possible to get reasonable pictures with the E71. I have taken extremely good ones at times, but the camera does not have good exposure control and the white balance is off at times. I have found that giving the camera a few seconds to settle down helps quite a lot.

I have heard that the latest firmware improves things, but I haven't upgraded yet.

It is also possible to get location tagging via the GPS with the E71. Just download and install Location Tagger from Nokia Betalabs.

http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/location-tagger