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Nokia N900??

There are. And one of the most open (and up-streamed) is Maemo 5 (used on the Nokia N900). (Disclaimer: I worked on part of it)

N95 8GB is on the list at... http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download Check the drop down box after 'Start' and select N95 8GB and this will take you to the download page for Ovi Maps 3.0. After that you download the map loader. It's listed as a free download. This seems to differ from the link in the original article in that more phones are listed.

It seems as though the application is available for the N900. See: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/maps-support/compatibility-and-download#/nokia-n900/

Great. Asus leadership has turned to worshiping vaporware crapola. This reminds me of Nokia's cellphone designs before the iPhone came out and eat their lunch in the high end. Make usable and manufacturable designs people. Geez.

Yes, I'm a Qt Fanboi, but hear me out:
Qt is free (LGPL), multiplatform (support all users), fill-featured and clean.
QtCreator (new) is the Qt IDE, with tons of support and integrated help, including an integrated gdb (or other) debugger.
If you're on Python, then wait a bit for PySide or get PyQt now.

I feel I can move mountains with just one download the sdk

I'll take Qt Creator over Visual Studio for C++ development any day.

It is nice though to have something sturdy. Something you don't have to care about at all. If only most rugged phones weren't hideously ugly or with very poor UI & functionality...

Though luckily there are compromises like Nokia 3720 classic; both quite rugged and rather stylish
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/07/09/nokia-3720-classic-rugged-phone-video-montage-and-hands-on/

Meanwhile, a girl might want to spend more than your toy's ticket price on a Symbian.

Haven't you heard? Symbian has been made Free by that rubber company.

Such a thing already exists.

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptops

Toshiba has one as well.

Expect to pay about £10 to £15 per month for an internet plan for it, or about £2 per day for a pay as you go plan if you don't want to use the internet every day.

You can also get it "free" on a phone contract. Then you can expect to pay about £40 per month for a two year contract - so probably better off paying for it.

I replaced my netbook with a Nokia N900, because of:

- Built-in physical keyboard, and external full-size standard bluetooth keyboard.
- It is the first { Linux + X11 + phone } that works nicely (OpenMoko was a poor attempt), and it's Debian based! (Maemo).
- As music player: impressive.
- As video player: impressive for h264 (hardware accelerated), not bad for mpeg4-baseline.
- As photocamera: quite good (5MP + two-LED flash, quite sharp for a mobile camera, and much better than my previous standalone 3MP Canon Powershot 4 year old camera).
- As agenda: very good.
- For notes: I love the default notes application provided by Nokia. You can use Conboy too, which is also OK.
- Multitasking: very good, the best I've seen in smartphones, because of using Linux plus plenty RAM (256MB + 768MB for swap) is years-light ahead from Symbian, iPhone, and Windows Mobile devices.
- User interface: uses desktop composition, but with the vertical sync disabled (it is possible to enable it, but I will not enable it until some other does it and confirm that it is safe). That makes it less smooth than the one from the iPhone or from Android devices.
- Geekness: Linux, X11, 256MB RAM + 768MB of swap, 2-way in-order supescalar ARM CPU (ARM Cortex A8 @600MHz, 1200MIPS, 2.4-4.8GFLOPs (4.8 GFLOPs when using the VMLA -FMAC, floating point multiply and accumulate-)), ssh, sshd, xterm, dosbox, game console emulation, perl, python, clisp, ml, airodump/aircrack, etc. With the exception of the C++ compiler, which haven't manage to install into the device yet (I'm using a cross compiler in my main PC, provided with the SDK), because I'm afread of broken the shared library links (I'll do it when I'm sure I'll don't break anything), the device runs most Linux applications!
- Presentations/slideshows/portable video player/etc: TV-out (composite NTSC/PAL plus stereo sound, via 3 RCA connectors).
- Storage: 32GB built-in (write speed is about 10 MB/s), expandable up to to 48GB with an additional 16GB micro-SDHC card.

I replaced my netbook with a Nokia N900, because of:

- Built-in physical keyboard, and external full-size standard bluetooth keyboard.
- It is the first { Linux + X11 + phone } that works nicely (OpenMoko was a poor attempt), and it's Debian based! (Maemo).
- As music player: impressive.
- As video player: impressive for h264 (hardware accelerated), not bad for mpeg4-baseline.
- As photocamera: quite good (5MP + two-LED flash, quite sharp for a mobile camera, and much better than my previous standalone 3MP Canon Powershot 4 year old camera).
- As agenda: very good.
- For notes: I love the default notes application provided by Nokia. You can use Conboy too, which is also OK.
- Multitasking: very good, the best I've seen in smartphones, because of using Linux plus plenty RAM (256MB + 768MB for swap) is years-light ahead from Symbian, iPhone, and Windows Mobile devices.
- User interface: uses desktop composition, but with the vertical sync disabled (it is possible to enable it, but I will not enable it until some other does it and confirm that it is safe). That makes it less smooth than the one from the iPhone or from Android devices.
- Geekness: Linux, X11, 256MB RAM + 768MB of swap, 2-way in-order supescalar ARM CPU (ARM Cortex A8 @600MHz, 1200MIPS, 2.4-4.8GFLOPs (4.8 GFLOPs when using the VMLA -FMAC, floating point multiply and accumulate-)), ssh, sshd, xterm, dosbox, game console emulation, perl, python, clisp, ml, airodump/aircrack, etc. With the exception of the C++ compiler, which haven't manage to install into the device yet (I'm using a cross compiler in my main PC, provided with the SDK), because I'm afread of broken the shared library links (I'll do it when I'm sure I'll don't break anything), the device runs most Linux applications!
- Presentations/slideshows/portable video player/etc: TV-out (composite NTSC/PAL plus stereo sound, via 3 RCA connectors).
- Storage: 32GB built-in (write speed is about 10 MB/s), expandable up to to 48GB with an additional 16GB micro-SDHC card.

The Nokia N900 is the first { Linux + X11 + phone } that works nicely (OpenMoko was a poor attempt), and it's Debian based! (Maemo).

Qt Creator has Vim bindings. It's possible to create non Qt applications messing with settings on the .pro file.

>>That's global smartphone market share. Show a graph with global market share of ALL wireless handsets, not just smartphones.

>Okay, from TFA, here's a graph entitled Top 10 Mobile Phones in Use.

Actually, it's entitled "Top 10 Mobile Phones in Use (U.S.)". Now reread what the parent asked for, particularly where it says "global market share". Since when is US global?

I haven't found full figures for global share (except a suggestion they're contained in a market research report with a price tag of $2000 US). However, I do see a suggestion that they have a 2.5% global share, compared to the 4% US share that you quote. I also understand that Nokia phones have a 38% global share, although I'm uncertain how this divides between their different ranges, but this seems very suggestive that they have a single platform that is a lot more popular than the iPhone, as I believe they only produce phones with either 3 or 4 different OS variants.

There you have it.

Tip: Even with a a bit smaller screen, the resolution still is vastly bigger. Also you got root access right out of the box.

My E65 can do all that. It doesn't have a large touch screen, but I can program it in Python!

Now it is owned by a giant (Nokia), it is LGPL too.

And this is a giant who isn't afraid to share in an open, cooperative, development environment, with public source repos & a bug tracker. The last release of Qt, 4.6, included ~250 code contributions from non-Nokia Qt devs, even though Nokia has only 'owned' it for less than a year.

Nokia seems to grok that to convince devs who are considering targeting their phones, they need to be as transparent and open with the underlying technology as they can possibly be. They, at least, 'get' it.

N900, runs linux on ARM.

Can be bought from dell and amazon to name a few

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Now, everyone is going to jump on "that is not a notebook". You need to start waking up to the fact that computers are being replaced by all-in-one devices, and I say thank god as I am tired of hauling around 100 pounds of cables and crap on both long and short trips.

"We are watching the landscape," Cook told financial analysts. "We like competition, as long as they don't rip off our IP, and if they do, we're going to go after anybody that does."

(see here)

Apple has been building up for a patent war and so Nokia has no choice other than to strike before their N900 phones make them vulnerable. Remember Apple's lawsuit happy history was what caused the League for Programming Freedom. I guess the fact that so many seem to believe that Nokia is the agressor here (remember, they've been trying to Negotiate for years before this suit came out) really does show that Apple can distort reality.

Here. You can test it right now:
http://betalabs.nokia.com/betas/view/nokia-point-and-find

It’s sad, how often Slashdot is full of hype about Google or Apple doing things, that others did for a loong time.
Must be sad to live the 3rd world of the mobile phone industry. :/

It’s really hard not to do a “shameless plug” for Nokia phones yet again...

Also, there is talk of better User Interface design, but as far as I'm aware, (and please, someone correct me if I'm wrong here) Nokia third party developers haven't been notified about any kind of recommended style sheet guides that they should be following (even if just voluntarily).

Very valid point. I was, however, able to find this UI Style Guide for S60 (there's one for S40 and other platforms too) with just one Google Search.

I haven't really read it, so I don't know how "thorough" it is, but it does satisfy your "any kind of recommended style sheet guides", I think.

It's funny this article came out today - I was just wanted buy one today.
So I go to the nokia store: http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367?cid=dev-fw-lec-micro_maemo_01-con-na-maemo-us-na-n900_003, and they are "Temporarily out of stock".

They can't be selling all that badly then...

... please, let Symbian die. The N900 is so much better than any Symbian aberration...

It is news on smart phones which started with lessons learned from Desktop and mobile trojans themselves. Apple ignored those lessons and now paying for it.

http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Symbian_Platform_Security_Model
http://developers.sun.com/mobility/midp/articles/permissions/
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc512651.aspx

In fact, security scene kind of gave up on iPhone&iPod. Let whoever buys makes his/her own mind.

People are outraged for no good reason. If one uses GPS, one has a reasonable expectation of being tracked, if only by the GPS provider! What we really need is a free-as-in-freedom mobile device which allows us to turn the GPS on and off whenever we please. Android may be OK, especially the unlocked one, and Nokia's Maemo devices are even better.

Right now I have a low-end cell phone with no features but voice. I am not upgrading until I can have vanilla GNU/Linux. Basically, I am waiting for this beast (or something like it) to drop in price and gain in battery life.

The correct link of "significant code contributed from the community" is this: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2009/12/01/thanks-for-helping-us-make-4-6

My Nokia was GBP 10

http://store.nokia.com/

Why must you turn slashdot into a chamber of lies? :(

There are plenty of "phone only" models out there that will last 2 weeks on one charge and never crash. Just don't buy this kind of multitasking phone if you don't really need one.

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-1202/specifications

Seriously, if you want an open phone then go look at Maemo and the n900. That's some slick shit right there -- two cameras! Crazy Sauce! -- and they even give you root. Hallelujah!

The iPhone? You actually had any aspersions at all that you weren't buying some slick Disney-fied locked-down hood-welded-shut art object? Are you missing a more than a few brain cells?

Me, I'd like an open phone, but the n900 is a little pricey so I'm trying to find a used HTC G1 for el cheapo that I can root and run Replicant on. Sure, you have to find a way to root the Android phones, but once you do I'm pretty sure that T-mobile isn't going to try to castrate the cojones of your phone by pushing an update to you. They're going to happily take your monthly, no-contract fee and then let you use your phone in relative peace.

I love it. All these iPeoples lining up to plunk down their cash for some pretty looking but pretty-much-guaranteed-to-restrict-your-ass piece of hardware. You know that they have a word for this kind of thing, right? It's called a Siren, and you need to get your crew or your mates or whoever you hang with to keep you off the special sauce that they're serving up, piping hot.

Let's just take a look at that complaint "locks US iPhone owners into using the mobile carrier." Well no shit, Sherlock, time to fire up Spotlight and search for n00b on your Mac.

How many times do us so-called "crazy Free Software folks" have to remind you that you don't get Freedom because BillyG or SteveyJ wants to give you a Christmas bonus. You get capital-F Freedom with your phone and your software when you jump down, turn around, and buy and use the phone that gives you that Freedom. You want source code? Sure, it's all here, including the build scripts so that you can verify that you're building what you want to build and running what you want to run on your phone. If you can't root that phone and hold onto root, then Just Say No.

Time and time again this happens, and every time I hope that people will get the message, but it just never seems to sink in. So hold on just a second, let me slip into these asbestos pants and then you can go ahead and overturn an Apple Cart of fanboi vitriol on me. One day...one day maybe you'll thank us.

With all of their phones.

http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/maps
http://betalabs.nokia.com/ovi-maps

With all of their phones.

http://europe.nokia.com/explore-services/maps
http://betalabs.nokia.com/ovi-maps

Here's an excellent example of that: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ As far as I can tell, it's only being used for (plain text) headings. If it wan't for FlashBlock, I wouldn't even think they'd be Flash. The weird thing is that the page actually loads with those as text, then the javascript kicks in and replaces them with Flash.

Are we looking at the same page? Or am I somehow getting served a flash-free page? The only flash I can find is in the rotate-360 degrees (where it shows an interactive 3D model). Even the image gallery supports smooth animation with flash..

Many objects deal with so small number of records it doesn't matter. I do understand O() notation, but honestly I've never needed to go beyond this page which tells me QList is almost always what I want unless I insert a lot in the middle, then it's QLinkedList. For key lookups QHash is right, if there's an order from a scoring function then QMap or QMultiMap for single/multivalue.

That's served me well, I think the biggest case of n I've used is a file match by hash with n = ~400,000 with completely acceptable performance. Sure it's nothing for cases where you're dealing with millions and billions of records, but if you got 1000 employee records there's no way to sort them "wrong" in my opinion. More often than not the problem is algorithms of O(moron) complexity like fetching all the data and discarding the 99.9% not matching the filter.

Here's an excellent example of that: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
As far as I can tell, it's only being used for (plain text) headings. If it wan't for FlashBlock, I wouldn't even think they'd be Flash. The weird thing is that the page actually loads with those as text, then the javascript kicks in and replaces them with Flash.

What about rural villages where electricity is scarce? Wouldn't you rather have more talk/standby time then a color screen? What about poor people who can't afford a basic phone? The cheaper mobile phones become, it enables more people who never had a phone in their entire lives to get one. And by the way, Motorola isn't the only maker of cell phones. For example, Nokia has a whole line of low-cost phones including the super-cheap 1203, which has 636 hours of standby and 9 hours of talk time. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-1203

And for most of the world, Nokia's Symbian is king

Even Nokia is abandoning Symbian for maemo http://maemo.nokia.com/

Maemo brings the power of computers to mobile devices. Designed with the internet at its core, Linux-based Maemo software takes us into a new era of mobile computing.

Maemo is available on the Nokia N900 - a high-performance mobile computer with a powerful processor, large internal storage, and sharp touch-screen display.

Nokia's handwriting calculator running on an N810 or the upcoming N900. Add in a bluetooth keyboard if you want something full size to type on...

I'll add another thing that's missing from my N810 which looks like it's still missing from the N900, which is an 'official' JVM. The Java CDC profile was designed for devices like this - and the GPL'd Sun version is very ARM-friendly. I managed to get the foundation version up and running on my N810, but it needs quite a bit of work to get the GUI layers working (I ran into some QT3 versus QT4 threading voodoo when I tried).

So, if anyone from Nokia is reading this - I'd like to see a supported CDC personal profile JVM with Jambi support!

Yes - I know that this is all GPL'd code and I should be able to take it and fix it all myself, but having it as a standard part of the platform makes a huge difference.

On their website, Nokia says "end of October": http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367

If battery life is what you want, you might consider one of these :

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/mini-laptop

but I wouldn't put it in the 'cheap' category. They're not available yet, but the battery is supposed to last for a long time...but it uses the Intel Atom :

CPU and chipset

                * Intel® Atom(TM) Z530, 1.6 GHz
                * Intel® Poulsbo US15W

Now compare that with some other companies:

http://research.google.com/pubs/papers.html

http://research.microsoft.com/apps/dp/pu/publications.aspx#p=1&ps=36&so=0&sb=d&fr=&to=&fd=&td=&rt=&f=ms&a=&pn=&pa=&pd=

http://domino.research.ibm.com/library/cyberdig.nsf/recent (last 30 days!)

http://www.parc.com/publications/

http://research.nokia.com/

Two conference publications by Apple employee is a joke for a company the size of Apple. Apple doesn't even have a site where they show their research.

(Apple used to have a research lab with real researchers and publications in the 1990's, but they closed it.)

And the poster session is not the output of R&D by Apple, it's people talking about using Apple products in their work.

> I can not remember even one paper form Nokia research

http://research.nokia.com/

Help yourself...

That may be because the N900 is not available yet (they are only accepting pre-orders) http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Sounds like you want a Netbook with phone functionality. Get yourself a Nokia Booklet.

Seriously. Why do Android phones seem to ignore the camera? I'd really like to see one with a very good camera, something like an Android version of the N86

Specially from the hardware standpoint? Would be interesting to compare it with i.e. the Nokia N900 that is about to hit the market... with the extra advantage of not being tied to Verizon or anyone else afaik.

"has a touchscreen, runs bajillions of apps, is shiny and pretty, and can be my media center". AKA iPhone.

No, there is another. Or rather, there will be another very soon : the nokia N900. Oh, and as an extra bonus, no vendor lock-in !

I suppose your work/university/school wireless network doesn't run TTLS/EAP PAP, then. Nokia smartphones have been missing support for that authentication protocol (very common in university networks) for at least three years.