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Would they get so pissy about it if it was an identical twin of another horse (does that happen with horses?)

Horse twins are normally fraternal rather than identical and occur rarely. Or, more properly, very rarely: about 1 in 10^4 births is a twin. Of those few twin foal births, about 80% of cases result in one or both foals dying within a few days. Of the survivors, most are stunted in one or another way and may be critically deformed - horses are not built to carry twins. Probably the foal would not get into the registry for other reasons related to the stunting or deformation (or death within days).

Identical twin foals are extraordinarily rare, being almost - but not quite - unheard of. Statistically, the number is too small to estimate a rate of birth; as a rough guess, it's probably about 1 in 10^6 or thereabouts. Incidentally, the US has almost 10^7 horses which implies somewhat less than 10^6 foals per year, and identical twins are expected once or twice per decade or so. Few of them survive to breeding age.

Precisely. The study asked a question that results in an expected answer 80% of the time. So why would such a study be conducted in the first place?

http://canola.okstate.edu/gmof...
^^ Big ole page-o-propaganda

Another fun excerpt: "Secondly, participants were asked “Did you read any books about food and agriculture in the past year?” Participants were asked to select “Yes”, “No”, or “I don’t know”. Just over 16% of participants stated that they had read a book related to food and agriculture in the past year. About 81% answered “No”, and 3% answered “I don’t know”. Those who answered “Yes” were asked: “What is the title of the most recent book you read about food and agriculture?” The vast majority of responses were of the form “I don’t remember” or “cannot recall”. Fast Food Nation, Food Inc., and Omnivore’s Dilemma were each mentioned about three times. The Farmer’s Almanac and Skinny Bitch were mentioned twice. One respondent mentioned the bible."

This appears to follow the general pattern that people will lie to interviewers to seem more smart, educated, or intellectual than they are. They don't mention in the study a correlation between those who said yes to reading a book and then couldn't "remember" it when pressed and those who wanted to ban food containing DNA, but I'd be willing put money on their being a correlation.

Thanks for the info. Grinding it does sound like a better way to go, and probably less work. I'm thinkin' you might adapt a wringer washer to squeeze it out.

I've cooked fat for the dogs but wasn't looking to pull out lard so hadn't looked into maximizing it. And yeah, the flavor is a feature. :) Costco used to have this wonderful low-salt bacon that I'd buy mostly for the grease -- great on toast!

Here's a good quick breeds resource:
http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/swine/
My neighbor got some Mukotas -- they're smallish, quiet, cheap to feed, and seriously lardy (I swear they're as wide as they are tall!). Supposed to be among the best eatin' meat, too. (They do bite, tho. The other pigs they have don't.) I prefer my pork with some fat on it anyway.

Huh? designed? How is it designed? Cut gums to distribute nicotine? Sure but, nicotine will absorb transdermally, so I have to imagine it has no trouble at all with sublinguil absorbtion? Why would it need to "cut gums" at all?

This page claims that:

Chewing tobacco and snuff contain 28 carcinogens (cancer causing agents). The most harmful carcinogens in smokeless tobacco are the tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNA's). Snuff dippers consume on average more than 10 times the amount of cancer causing substances (nitrosamines) than cigarette smokers.

Which seems to confirm my hypothesis that some agents of the substance itself is carcinogenic and not simply a matter of repeated cell damage. Note, I am not discounting this as a factor, just that, it seems that, if it were the only or even major factor, that cancers of the gums and jaw would be more common in non-smokers since minor cell damage through abrasion is par for the course in the mouth.

Funny, where I'm from it's Oklahoma State University. I live about 40 miles from there.

When OU (University of Oklahoma) and OSU duke it out, don't get caught in Stillwater, OK wearing red and white. I made that mistake once :)

If you check okstate.edu, you'll see the orange and black logo that clearly has "OSU" on it.

(BTW - the cowboy mascot, Pistol Pete, is based on a real guy. He had an interesting life.)

Depends on what your definition of online degree is, but the M.S. in Engineering and Technology Management degree at Oklahoma State University requires no physical presence on campus whatsoever. All assignments, lectures, grades, etc. are accessed and turned in online. Granted, there are still some glitches here and there that make me realize that online coursework is still in its infancy, but it's been a great way to gain an advanced degree while maintaining a full-time job.

Three ad-heavy blogs deep, the best I'm able to find is a brief note in Electronics (AU) . It's not even clear if the device pictured is an emitter or a detector.

Terahertz RF is essentially line of sight, and has roughly the propagation characteristics of light. This is not going to be useful for WiFi or cellular telephony. Imaging, though, may work. Here's a good paper on the subject. In the terahertz range, both RF and optical techniques are used; there are both antennas and lenses. The high end of the terahertz range overlaps the low end of infra-red.

Making a single bar of soap, using lye from the best hardwood, requires 17 pounds of wood. A decent woodlot should yield 2500 lb / acre per year (1 cord). A typical backyard would be less, maybe 1000 lb / acre / year. So a quarter acre backyard could make you approx. 15 bars of soap per year.

Farmers don't exist? They don't provide wheat, corn, beef, pork? What kind of food are you eating?

http://nue.okstate.edu/crop_information/world_wheat_production.htm

There's also this: http://ehs.okstate.edu/news/KAREN.HTM
Interestingly enough the above link had the uni recommend neoprene gloves but this link says neoprene is not good enough: http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19980309.html

It would be misguided to cut down forests to grow switchgrass. We should use degraded or barren land or land that switchgrass already grows on.

Did you go to okstate.edu, Oklahoma State University's home page? They refer to themselves as "OSU" on multiple occasions, most notably the big "About OSU" link at the home. Just because Ohio State snatched the domain first doesn't mean they can't both be called "OSU". (You should try living in Iowa but close to Illinois and guess which "U [of] I" people are talking about.)

Maybe you should read before just googling for links to prove your point.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7XNX-4NX2W1C-3&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1129045548&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=7c6f338c09d052a7154ec84c8c581f8f: Belgian Blue (BB) beef cattle is particularly prone to selenium (Se) deficiency due to the poor Se content of soil and roughages on rearing farms and the higher requirements of this hypermuscled breed.

The study then went on to test Se supplements to see which worked best.

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/belgianblue/index.htm: Some sources stated that delivery in Belgian Blue cows is often by caesarean.

How very authoritative.

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/7/9/910.full: How much of a stress tolerance reduction? It doesn't say enough to know if its a problem or not.

http://jas.fass.org/cgi/reprint/79/5/1162.pdf: The only mention of vitamins is saying more is better, and then it follows it with a high sodium / fat diet has a negative effect. Of course the same is true in any normal animal as well.

http://bioethics.agrocampus-ouest.eu/pdf2009/Bioethic_aspects_of_genetic_selection_of_animals_U-Korzecka.pdf: Really? You're linking to a powerpoint exploring BIOETHICS of genetic modification, which doesn't list its sources, as proof?

I suspect you and the author of the last link have something in common; you believe there to be some ethical problem with this, and thus are more interested in pushing an agenda then science.

Why do you assume myostatin is "there for a reason?" Have you considered that at one time we didn't have it? Or perhaps that we have it is just a random fluke?

I hate to break it to you, but there's no intelligent design.

Maybe you should read what has been posted before you try pontificating. Myostatin is actually there for a reason. Here is a list of health problems which arise in other mammals:

• Selenium (Se) deficiency.
• Birthing problems; sometimes resulting in the need for caesarean section.
• Reduction in stress tolerance.
• Very low fat concentrations; can result in health problems due to insufficient fat soluble nutrient/vitamin uptake.
• Weak bones.

Seems like there is probably a reason we have myostatin and if you disable it, other health problems may result. We're just don't know what they are yet.

Actually, while we do not know what health problems arise in humans, we do know of multiple health problems which arise in other mammals:

• Selenium (Se) deficiency.
• Birthing problems; sometimes resulting in the need for caesarean section.
• Reduction in stress tolerance.
• Very low fat concentrations; can result in health problems due to insufficient fat soluble nutrient/vitamin uptake.
• Weak bones.

I hope you're being sarcastic. ;)

(quick Google: http://www.okstate.edu/osu_orgs/tbp/index.html )

The real problem is to determine whether you are playing the music too loudly for your safety. Here is how to get a good idea of the harm you are doing ...

1. Find something like a watch or other device that makes a very quiet sound. Find a distance where you can just make out the sound.

2. Listen to your music source at your customary level for 15 to 30 minutes or longer if that is your habit.

3. Set up the conditions in (1) above and see if you can still hear the sound. If you can, you are probably not harming your hearing ... If not, then you have a temporary threshold shift and you have already done some small amount of damage to your hearing. The greater the shift, the greater the damage.

4. More likely, if you listen to loud music or listen in inherently noisy places, you will notice the threshold shift in daily life. background noises disappear, which is like 40-50dB SPL, and definitely a problem.

These hearing conservation links explain a lot Mp3 players are not the only culprit, driving with wind noise in your left (or your passenger's right) ear, circular saws and construction tools, and other sources of noise are damaging. Music is different in that it can not be blocked but can be controlled.

If you don't protect your hearing from loud sound, sooner or later a notch will start to form in your ear's frequency response curve. The notch will be centered around 4000 Hz, right where high frequencies get really high, and useful too. That notch widens above and below until it impacts 2KHz or even lower. Somewhere along the way, the detectors in the ear will get so damaged that they start detecting sound non-linearly and harmonic and intermodulation distortion arise. Finally, when they get injured some more, they start to fire "all or none" and even moderately loud sounds can be painful. That is called recruitment and is really damaging to hearing and sanity.

I hope this information is useful to readers. I hate to see people lose hearing when it is so unnecessary in most cases.

If you think your hearing is going bad, see an audiologist or ear doctor or both, soon. Most processes can be stopped, and believe me, you will be glad you at least stopped the damage.

I am pushing 60 years old, have used threshold shift changes to remind me to protect my hearing, and still have no noise notch in my good ear. My other ear was damaged by childhood infections and is mostly useless so I guess having only one ear made me more careful.

http://www.ocolly.okstate.edu/issues/2001_Fall/011011/pix/1.%20OSAMA%20BIN%20LADEN.jpg

This is NOT a terrorist:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/242259~Cliff-Richard-Posters.jpg

See! Clearly a difference. Easy.

I don't see the problem...

okstate has started providing SSN scanning software for departments to use. I also know the Navy is starting to get serious about similar initiatives.

I completely agree with you on the nuke plants. We cannot build them fast enough. We need AT LEAST 40-50 new Nuke power stations as has been suggested by a particular political party's candidate.

I do know that Congress, just like with the congressional-imposed ban to drill for oil/gas in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, has limited the ability to put up wind power farms.
In my home state of Oklahoma, I read somewhere that there is a restriction on the books limiting Wind Generator farms to only 500 turbines per COUNTY. With each generator requiring the same area of a large house with a front and back yard, I'd say that's rather limiting and shortsighted. After all, the wind is best geographically where the wind is best.

Many of the obstacles that Pickens is suggesting Congress to get involved in are related to stupid laws that have been lobbied and inserted into the books by corrupted politicians such as the artificial limit on how large the 'wind farm' cluster can be per county. A Federal Mandate in many cases can overcome the numerous disingenuous state lays and ordnances as they claim that too many birds are self-selection their candidacy and trying out for the Darwin-Awards in the wind generator blades and they follow up with cries of "NIMBY".

Of course, 'the liberal hippies' are spreading FUD all over.. (apparently they WANT more coal-fired power plants?) And yes, Democrats, as judged by their own actions, want higher prices on anything energy-related they do not tightly regulate and collect a chunk of tax dollars on. But they have to leave the laws open-ended some so they can collect those fat contributions every election cycle.

Nobody is publicly talking about just how many of the stupid tax collecting laws wind-power bypasses because it does not use any fuel that can be taxed, and it puts fat checks in the pockets of the surface landowners who OWN the surface of their land and 99% of these land owners are all for wind power clusters after their checks clear.

-Now that profitable and efficient massive 'wind farms' are an actual threat and likelihood to these liberal/progressive interests, they are resurrecting the "Spotted Owl Strategy"... Only this time it is with the "Whooping Crane". (I can remember in Oklahoma when they found one of these endangered birds deceased as it apparently had flown directly into a 5' tall barbed wire fence... There was a 'hippie' drive to then pull up and restrict the fences in that part of the state.)
What total BS!
Somebody please call Penn & Teller and get this on their show at Showtime1!...
For example, here is a 'fine' piece by the liberal AP: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080321_238_A11_spanc46450

Here is what Oklahoma State University has put together: http://www.ocgi.okstate.edu/owpi/ With Oklahoma geospatial wind map: http://www2.ocgi.okstate.edu/website/owpi2/viewer.htm

I completely agree with you on the nuke plants. We cannot build them fast enough. We need AT LEAST 40-50 new Nuke power stations as has been suggested by a particular political party's candidate.

I do know that Congress, just like with the congressional-imposed ban to drill for oil/gas in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, has limited the ability to put up wind power farms.
In my home state of Oklahoma, I read somewhere that there is a restriction on the books limiting Wind Generator farms to only 500 turbines per COUNTY. With each generator requiring the same area of a large house with a front and back yard, I'd say that's rather limiting and shortsighted. After all, the wind is best geographically where the wind is best.

Many of the obstacles that Pickens is suggesting Congress to get involved in are related to stupid laws that have been lobbied and inserted into the books by corrupted politicians such as the artificial limit on how large the 'wind farm' cluster can be per county. A Federal Mandate in many cases can overcome the numerous disingenuous state lays and ordnances as they claim that too many birds are self-selection their candidacy and trying out for the Darwin-Awards in the wind generator blades and they follow up with cries of "NIMBY".

Of course, 'the liberal hippies' are spreading FUD all over.. (apparently they WANT more coal-fired power plants?) And yes, Democrats, as judged by their own actions, want higher prices on anything energy-related they do not tightly regulate and collect a chunk of tax dollars on. But they have to leave the laws open-ended some so they can collect those fat contributions every election cycle.

Nobody is publicly talking about just how many of the stupid tax collecting laws wind-power bypasses because it does not use any fuel that can be taxed, and it puts fat checks in the pockets of the surface landowners who OWN the surface of their land and 99% of these land owners are all for wind power clusters after their checks clear.

-Now that profitable and efficient massive 'wind farms' are an actual threat and likelihood to these liberal/progressive interests, they are resurrecting the "Spotted Owl Strategy"... Only this time it is with the "Whooping Crane". (I can remember in Oklahoma when they found one of these endangered birds deceased as it apparently had flown directly into a 5' tall barbed wire fence... There was a 'hippie' drive to then pull up and restrict the fences in that part of the state.)
What total BS!
Somebody please call Penn & Teller and get this on their show at Showtime1!...
For example, here is a 'fine' piece by the liberal AP: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080321_238_A11_spanc46450

Here is what Oklahoma State University has put together: http://www.ocgi.okstate.edu/owpi/ With Oklahoma geospatial wind map: http://www2.ocgi.okstate.edu/website/owpi2/viewer.htm

And maybe change the size of the udders on the females, so that they don't get in the way of running, perhaps cutting them back so they are only big enough to hold the milk for their babies, instead of also excess production for humans.

More bricks to anonymity? http://www.it.okstate.edu/students/restech/ or plugin several open wireless connections per building?

let's hear it for Oklahoma State:

http://www2.dasnr.okstate.edu/Members/donald.stotts-40okstate.edu/general-motors-and-coskata-announce-partnership-that-builds-on-osu-biofuels-team-research

I actually got to read about this last week in the college newspaper.

Can't say as to whether they're GM birds or not, but there are several chicken breeds available that can go from chick to market-sized bird in 45 days. I wish I could remember the name of the breed! Is there a farmer in the house?

Closer to the original comment, there are several "Giant" varieties of chicken available, including the Jersey Giant, whose weight can reach up to 10lbs(4.5kg).

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/poultry/chickens/jerseygiant/index.htm

Researchers have been doing this stuff for over a decade. And there are REAL Intellectual Property issues here.
Genetically Engineered DNA sequences in many cases can be treated just like programming code.

I remember a true story from one of my Genetics Professors, Dr. Ron Van Den Bussche ( http://cas.okstate.edu/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=71 )
He told our class about a genetically altered cotton strain of which he was integral in its development.
Apparently, a giant agri-industrial competitor to the giant agri-industrial company who funded the strain of cotton Dr. VDB developed,
surreptitiously obtained a reproduceable/cloneable live specimen and subsequently cloned it and used it in gross quantities for their own unlicensed use.
(I think the new strain could tolerate saltier soils and drier conditions and it grew a larger puffier bowl of cotton, oh yes, and it was Patented/Copyrighted also.)
-->Here's the really funny part, Dr. VDB and his team were expert witnesses in the intellectual property infringement lawsuit/trail against the competitor who allegedly stole the strain. (sorry, can't remember what state)
The defendants had claimed they developed the new genetic strain of cotton themselves.
This was proven blatantly false by the prosecution when Dr. VDB revealed he had spliced unique identification DNA sequences into their genetically-engineered cotton strains from a VERY Very Rare Bat species.
(which happened to be an endangered species that ONLY inhabits a single remote cave system in Texas).
Sure enough, forensic DNA testing was completed on the allegedly stolen cotton strain and it was, in fact, found to be stolen.
-Many, many, Million$ of dollars were paid by the defendant to the plaintiff.

Someday, countries like Canada with lots of wheat will want something besides debt instruments in exchange for their goods.

According to this the US produces 3 times as much wheat as Canada.

This guy showed us a clear liquid that turns bright blue when it reacts with peroxide based explosives about four years ago in my chem for Engineers class. If this stuff is so useful, I kind of wonder why THIS chemical hasn't come into popular use. It was also sprayable, non-toxic, etc etc. He was always bragging about meeting with generals and executives to discuss it.

Makes me wonder why they're bothering to develop more when they're not coming into widespread use.

It is an incorrect assumption of path that leads to claims of superluminal propagation with prisms. Evanescent fields (non-propagating fields) give everyone headaches and now headlines. But the claims were debunked in 2001. Check out: http://utol.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/papers/paper70.p df or http://utol.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/papers/paper66.p df

It is an incorrect assumption of path that leads to claims of superluminal propagation with prisms. Evanescent fields (non-propagating fields) give everyone headaches and now headlines. But the claims were debunked in 2001. Check out: http://utol.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/papers/paper70.p df or http://utol.ecen.ceat.okstate.edu/papers/paper66.p df

Don't complain about our steak. My uncle grows prime Angus and it is clearly the best steak available anywhere.

I don't know anyone who doesn't block doubleclick.

Me neither : (

I assume you care about PEOPLE dying, don't you "null, etc"? Presumably, then, you do not eat any farmed products because you know that farming kills thousands of people every year? If not, you are just as much of a hypocrite as PETA.

In Bill's first act as President, he promises to release US Government 2.0, which is already reported to be about 200 years late. Rumor has it that 3.0 codenamed "Galloway" is also in the works.

Ok, probably one person at best is gonna get that one unless I spill the beans... Galloway is a hornless breed and also hornless dominant, as crossing them with longhorns produces only hornless cattle. Yes, that was far too nerdy of a joke, even for here ;)

Methinks you either slept through your college biology lecture, or just decided it wasn't worth going to. This is a diagram of one facet of a cell's existence, eating. Just that one thing, and there are hundreds of little dots, each of which stand for an enzyme. Then, in multicellular organisms, you have all the signaling pathways (which are multistage...think the 7 layers of the TCP/IP protocol) that is necessary for cells to interact, as well as the massive transport system with THREE different types of transport vesicles...

Then, if you think about the code for cells...in "evolved" eukaryotes, there are not only long sequences of DNA inserted from viruses ages ago, there are copies of genes that just don't work because they're mutated. Talk about junk code. But those sequences are dutifully preserved inside your very cells. It's a nightmare that even Microsoft would hate to dream.

Appropriation -- Use of a person's name, likeness or identity for trade or advertising purposes without consent.

Intrusion -- A physical, electronic or mechanical intrusion into someone's private space. This is an information-gathering, not a publication, tort. The legal wrong occurs at the time of the intrusion; no publication is necessary.

Public Disclosure of Embarrassing Private Facts -- Publication of non-newsworthy, private facts about an individual that would be highly offensive to a reasonable person (true defamation)(so intimate that outrage the public's sense of decency).

False light -- Publication of false, highly offensive (but not necessarily defamatory) information about an individual.

Consent. For example, gameshows require participants to take the first step to enter contests. In Jeppson v. United TV (1978), a Utah man won on a claim of appropriation because a television station called him on the air after picking his name out of a telephone book as part of a dialing for dollars promo. He claimed the television station used his name on the air without his consent.

Notably, this comes during a record breaking heat wave here in the US. So has the day finally arrived where I can run my AC off of all that heat outdoors


I guess you're making a perpetual motion joke, but the strange thing is it's not a daft as it sounds.

You could have an electrically powered heat pump to pump heat into the ground in summer, and back out again in winter.

http://www.igshpa.okstate.edu/geothermal/geotherma l.htm

Very popular here in Sweden.

If you insulate your house enough, the energy required to heat or cool it is pretty minimal, so you could generate it from solar panels, at least in the summer. And heat pumps are 3 to 4 times more than resistive electric heaters.

As wikipedia puts it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump

When used for heating on a mild day, a typical heat pump has a COP of three to four, whereas a typical resistive electric heater has a COP of one. That is, one joule of electrical energy will cause a conventional heater to give off one joule of warmth, while under ideal conditions, one joule of electrical energy can cause a heat pump to move more than one joule of heat from a cooler place to a warmer place. Sometimes this is expressed as an efficiency value greater than 100%, as in the statement, "XYZ brand heat pumps operate at up to 400% efficiency!" This is not quite accurate, since the work does not make heat, but moves existing heat "upstream". This does not violate the second law of thermodynamics, because it takes less work to move the heat than to make the heat.

Here's a newspost from Oregon State University about a researcher who is looking into Morgellon's: http://centernet.okstate.edu/whatsnew/rounds/2005/ 1005.html A recent issue of the American Journal of Clinical Dermatology has an article about it as well: The Mystery of Morgellons Disease: Infection or Delusion? By: Savely, Virginia R.; Leitao, Marry M.; Stricker, Raphael B.. American Journal of Clinical Dermatology, 2006, Vol. 7 Issue 1, p1-5, 5p, 3c; (AN 19826763) It's too recent for me to get a PDF online from (even with my access), so I'm going to have to find a paper copy. I will say that Virginia Savely is likely to be the "Ginger Savely" NP that was listed in the Popular Mechanics article. Both Marry Leitao and Virginia Savely are ONLY associated with this article (i.e. I'd discount them as possible sources), while Raphael Strickler apparently is a Lyme Disease expert (among other Infectious diseases) who has authored several papers. So there are some legitimate researchers out there doing some work. Either that, or the hoax has gotten so big that it has infiltrated beyond the mainstream media (not likely).

How'd they get a state university (admittedly, a bunch of Aggies) to buy into the scam, though? (http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/ registration.cfm is linked from morgellons.org)

They could be pulling off the next War of the Worlds with this, if they get enough people to "share the delusion." It works on so many different levels...

I totally agree. The Great Mosque of Djenné, uses thick mud walls as a heat sink. They also open vents in the roof to let the hot air out at night and let the cool air in. Other traditional buildings in tropical or hot desert areas typically have large overhangs/balconies to keep the sun off windows, high ceilings, etc, to minimise passive solar heating.

Also, ground-source heat pumps would enable the heat in the building to be distributed into the ground surrounding it. For example, about 80% of the residents of Coober Pedy, SA, Australia live underground, a rather extreme variation.

Back before my wife was a stay-at-home mom, she helped publish an article demonstrating that two "species" of a certain flower were actually one of the same. Gene flow between the populations was reduced, as their flowering times didn't overlap much, but it was still possible.

There's also "jumping genes", bacteria passing genes around, and forms of horizontal gene transfer.

I deride your google-fu.

Direct PDF link

The largest intact objects left on the moon after the landings were not the LRVs but the descent stages for the LMs, one from each of the six successful landings. These are about 4 meters across. Other unintact items from the landings were the ascent stages of the LMs which were intentionally crashed into the moon to provide seismic data.

http://aesp.nasa.okstate.edu/fieldguide/pages/aain dex/home1.html has impact point data for the ascent stages.

• When making a list in your comment, you can use <ul><li>/</li></ul> tags instead of asterisks, you know.
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• Every programmer should worry whether his code is bug-free.
• Python writes as Python does. Crush the bugs, concisely.
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Jersey is one of the Channel Islands, which are a group of islands in the English Channel, more or less.

Look everybody, don't believe a word he says.

In the first place the channel islands are off the coast of Santa Barbara, California.

Further, Jersey and Guernsey are breeds of cattle rather than islands as the OP claims.

Sheesh, he even goes as far as to claim that he was born on a cow ;-)

Jersey is one of the Channel Islands, which are a group of islands in the English Channel, more or less.

Look everybody, don't believe a word he says.

In the first place the channel islands are off the coast of Santa Barbara, California.

Further, Jersey and Guernsey are breeds of cattle rather than islands as the OP claims.

Sheesh, he even goes as far as to claim that he was born on a cow ;-)

And now i know why it has that name...
you wonder what it has to do with real true bread.
I woul consider "wonder bread" as some kind of "wheat marshmallow".

It seems like neither Google nor MS is really innovating much on this; granted the scrolling ability is cool with Google, but web-based GIS systems have been around for a long time, such as ESRI's ArcIMS, Autodesk's MapGuide and myriad others that support Web Mapping Services (WMS)

If I wanted to, I can download ortho photos of the entire United States from the USGS or from the USDA's NAIP program.

I guess is seems that these days it's actually pretty easy to build and manipulate web based GIS systems, so I'm curious to see what the next Big Thing will be. Maybe better integration with mobile devices?

I know that was meant to be funny, but I often wondered about how difficult it would be to modify a distrobution so that the word processor, email client, web browser, and mp3 player would all be in my native Tribal Language.

This would serve a dual purpose:

1. A little Language immersion and preservation

2. A somewhat-encrypted desktop. ;)