Domain: opera.com
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Re:Opera
Amen.
Seriously, though, try it out. You don't have to pay for it, the free version simply has an ad bar at the top of the screen. You don't even notice it most of the time. -
Re:Corresponding Browser support?I'd be interested in hearing about progress too.
You have the Mozilla SVG page, but it has not been updated in a while. I heard they had some licensing problems....?
Then, there's a message at from Sue Sims who I think works at Opera, she says it is scheduled for the next version. This was in May, and that would imply version 7, I think, but it doesn't seem to be in there.
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Get a real browser!
Don't use IE, get a real browser, for example the newly released Opera 7.0, which is faster, more standards compliant, doesn't have any security exploits and doesn't allow just any DLL to attach to it!
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Solution
Solution?
- Don't use IE. Try browsers like Phoenix or Opera.
I use IE only on Windows Update on my Windows machine.
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Re:Visual Basic!
After using Qt for a couple of years, for both open source and commercial software, I can say it does the job admirably. It is easy to pick up, and using it is fun
:)
Qt is not necessarily only for GUI. There are lots of convenience classes available to make your life easier doing cross-platform work: Text/Unicode handling, image, containers, networking, database, XML, etc. Many of these classes are highly optimized. I use Qt even when I'm writing a console app.
Though I have not used Java, I am told the API is very similar in style (to Swing?). The upside to Qt is that it is compiled and uses C++, so it is fast and you can mix and match system code. A common myth about cross-platform software is that you must cater to the lowest common denominator, which is absolutely not true with Qt.
Even if you are doing development for a single platform, you may still want to use Qt. It is generally easier to use than whatever is native (though I have heard very good things about Cocoa/ObjC), and it secures you that 'out' in case you want to port later.
For some examples of cross-platform projects using Qt, see Opera and Psi. -
Did someone say...
OPERA?!?! Here's another chance to plug my favorate browser...
The Opera Composer allows sysadmins such as yourself to make a custom installer with almost all the features you wanted. That, and you get pretty much everything you need with the newest Opera 7 (MUCH better CSS and general everything complience).
Try it out, you might just want Opera instead of Mozilla. -
Re:UFOs are everywhere
you can disable gif animation with opera or proxomitron
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Re:Opera
Bullshit, and another popular excuse used by Mozilla-fanboys. Opera's next generation rendering engine (currently undergoing beta testing in Opera 7/Win) is very capable and can show many pages that Mozilla can't... It's also -- unlike Mozilla -- not bloated; on the contrary, it's actually smaller than the version 6...
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use style sheets to disable comments
...it would have been more tolerable had he not felt the need to comment on fucking everything...For those who wish to read only the original content, you can use CSS to disable the comments by putting the following rule in your browser's user style sheet:
.comment { display: none; }In Mozilla, this means adding the above line to $HOME/.mozilla/profile name/random salt/chrome/userContent.css and restarting your browser. The same can also be achieved in Opera.
Admittedly it's a little much to make these changes for just one Web page, but as more Web pages start to use CSS, this sort of thing will hopefully apply to more than just one or two pages. Alternatively, you could contact ESR and suggest he provide an alternate stylesheet so you can easily toggle comment display.
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Re:Wow
It sounds like you may have a spyware that monitors keywords in IE (Microsoft made it easy to do, programs can attach themselves to IE windows and see what the browser is doing).
Try AdAware, and switch to Opera, it's even faster than IE with less security exploits. As for ad-filtering proxy-server (assuming you're in Windows, try Proxomitron. :) -
Opera 6.05
Isn't it time to upgrade to Opera 6.05? After all, Opera 7 will come out soon and blow everyone else out of the water.:)
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Re:I though IE was great....
then I tried Mozilla's Chaimera.
if you like mozilla's speed, then you'll love Opera. on pc they just came out with a new version 7 (early beta so still a little bit crashy) that is unbelievably fast and completely configurable so you can fit it to your browsing style. even their previous version, Opera 6, is great! -
Re:vendors' responsibility
If every browser vendor would publish a definite conformance guide like that with their releases and patches, the web would be a better place.
Yes, it would. Opera do. mozilla.org do. If you dig hard enough in MSDN, even Microsoft do. You've just got to go looking for it all. And whether all those documents are 100% accurate is another question entirely... -
Re: Opera
I'd recommend sticking with Opera 7, even though it's still in beta, if you want to try Opera. It's way more standards-compliant than previous versions. Opera 7 even has better CSS2 support than any other browser according to some.
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Re:What I want is a working forward buttonWell, you already have the HTML LINK element to go forward. For pages that include it (and browsers that support it, such as Mozilla and Opera).
And the new Opera 7.0 beta 2 has something called "Fast Forward" which looks for the LINK forward element, or, failing that, it analyzes the page and looks for a link which is likely to take you to the next page. Try it on the Google search result pages, it works great.
Also, if you are on a page with a login form and you have used the password manager in Opera (Wand) to store your login info, using Fast Forward on that page will simply log you in.
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Re:Making this really usefulWhy not make it *really* easy and develop a "forward" button that would actually take you to the piece of the Mega-pagecount-poorly-indexed-searchbuttonless web portal of doom that you're really interested in? They could call it the Psychic Fast Forward or some such.
check out Opera 7 Fast Forward.
The new Fast Forward button gives you immediate access to the pages you
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Re:No, redesign the FORWARD button...
Check out the fast forward button in Opera 7. If it detects a "next" button on the page your looking at (ex. Google search results) it detects that and allows you to jump to it. I'm not sure if it pre-fetches or not. Kind of neat.
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This Guy Just Needs a BETTER BrowserFix These
4. Fixed Font Size
Sorry buddy. Get a REAL Browser, with full page zooming, not just silly text zooming. Opera
9. URL > 75 Characters
Not even realistic, we're past little html pages now, it's something called dynamic content. and without HTTP_GET you will be forced to fill out a form of where you would like to go (Think Web Application, Web Application...).10. Mailto Links in Unexpected Locations
Add These
Tell the damned user to look at their STATUS BAR.
FLASH Navigation
FRAMES
REALLY BIG ADVERTISEMENTS
POP UP/UNDER/SIDEWAYS/THROUGH/OVER/AROUND... ADS
INEFFECTIVE (read: STUPID) use of COOKIES
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Re:Hey craaack smoker!Sigh. I can understand why you dare not log yourself in.
Opera have a history of documenting their support for various standards, and anyone with the least bit of knowledge can check their claims. Have you? Rather than whining and spewing out outright lies about Opera, why don't you do what normal people would do? Check their documentation and report the bugs if something isn't right.
You obviously don't know what kind of company Opera is and are guessing that they are as bad as, say Microsoft or AOL. Well, consider yourself corrected, AC.
But I know you aren't interesed in facts, because you haven't even looked at the document. Guess what, it clearly states that:
"Modifying the document structure is not possible in Opera 6 (ie. you cannot add or remove HTML elements)"
So, what were you saying again?
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Re:Hey craaack smoker!Sigh. I can understand why you dare not log yourself in.
Opera have a history of documenting their support for various standards, and anyone with the least bit of knowledge can check their claims. Have you? Rather than whining and spewing out outright lies about Opera, why don't you do what normal people would do? Check their documentation and report the bugs if something isn't right.
You obviously don't know what kind of company Opera is and are guessing that they are as bad as, say Microsoft or AOL. Well, consider yourself corrected, AC.
But I know you aren't interesed in facts, because you haven't even looked at the document. Guess what, it clearly states that:
"Modifying the document structure is not possible in Opera 6 (ie. you cannot add or remove HTML elements)"
So, what were you saying again?
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Re:simply the best
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Re:DOM
Sigh. RTFS.
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Re:Standards?
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Re:Hey craaack smoker!FUD.
Anyone can check Opera's specs pages and see that you are lying through your teeth about Opera 7 not being very standards compliant.
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Re:Business strategy
You might want to try beta 2. (The missing right click menu was just a bug, by the way, and it's fixed now. Keep in mind that it's a beta version.)
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Other new stuff
- Improved CSS support -- CSS menus now work pretty much as expected, overflow: scroll works better, and numerous other fixes.
- Opera now has a password manager! Both HTTP auth and login forms can be saved and filled in automatically later. "Wand" is a bit of a cheesy name for it, though
:) - Quick Download -- now instead of right clicking, hitting Download, waiting for file dialog to pop up and hitting Save, you right click, hit Quick Download, and it's done for you.
- Links bar, similar to Mozilla's Page Info -> Links tab. It's a bit primitive at the moment, but it's nice to see they're working on stuff like this.
- Fast Forward -- fancy <link rel="next"> UI gadget -- if a site uses said links, the Forward button is turned into a Next button, which is nice for browsing things like search results pages and blogs.
- Improved skins support -- auto-install for new skins, more flexible for users (no more
.ini editing if you want to rearrange your buttons, for instance), etc. Someone badly needs to Opera 7-ize Minimalist, though, I'm not a fan of the Aqua look, or the bare-bones "Windows" skin that ships with this beta. - The bookmark manager is back, and looking nicer than the Opera 6 one.
I'm quite impressed with this second beta. With betas like this, IE7 better be damn good to not get yawned at :) - Improved CSS support -- CSS menus now work pretty much as expected, overflow: scroll works better, and numerous other fixes.
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handheld stylesheets
There is a glaring problem with Opera 7's much-touted "PDA support." Opera does not automatically pick up stylesheets declared as media="handheld". In other words, instead of using a stylesheet that specifically formats a page for PDAs and handheld devices, Opera will try to reformat the page on its own.
That's a pretty neat trick for pages whose designers aren't thinking about the bigger picture (the Hiptop does something similar), but a real pain in the ass for those of us who are building pages "the right way" (i.e. XHTML for content, CSS for layout). This is particularly annoying in that Opera claims to fully support W3C CSS Mobile Profile 1.0. As far as I can tell, it doesn't. -
Re:Oops
There are still some images around, just not with the C64 theme.
Check out http://www.opera.com/graphics/docs/screenshots/ope ra-7-win-beta2.png for the Opera 7 screenshot. Nice looking browser. It looks like the tabs have improved a bit since Opera 5 (in my less than humble opinion). -
Re:Best Spam Stopping Methods?
If you use a Macintosh, get iCab. It prevents JavaScript from opening windows that are not requested by the user, and can filter out banner ads by size or URL.
Windows users might wish to try Opera. While not quite as flexible as iCab, stopping popups is easy with Opera.
FInally, ask your ISP to start using Spamassassin. My ISP recently began using SpamAssassin and now, I can go for days without getting any spam, and the two or three that do slip through are helpfully labeled with a (SPAM?) tag by SpamAssassin.
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CSS vs. CSS
In danger of maybe repeating earlier posts, I thought I'd add a link to Håkon Wium Lie's (CTO in Opera Software and the guy behind Cascading Style Sheets) view on the current DVD trial case. He sees clear analogies between the movie business' wish to decide how the content of a DVD should be played, and the wishes of Microsoft and the likes who among other things want to use proprietary and possibly encrypted formats on the Web.
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CSS vs. CSSHåkon Wium Lie has written an interesting article on the trial called "CSS vs. CSS".
Today's two highlights were the sudden evaporation of two witnesses' ability to answer obvious questions. First, Mr John Hoy (62), president of DVD CCA, did not understand his own organization's definition of "Copy Protection Functions". By answering questions on this topic he would undermine the prosecutor's position on "copy protection", so he suddenly turned stale and the defense gave up questioning him.
The other highlight was when another witness of the prosecutor was asked if "zone-free" DVD players are easily available in the market. The witness claimed not to know. Now, anyone in Norway remotely interested in DVD technology must be unusually dense not to know that most players sold here are "zone-free" -- the players break the DVD CCA rules by allowing people to play the US editions of DVD movies. Why Jon is charged when zone-free DVD players are sold openly in the store next door is a question worth asking.
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Try Opera and disable server name completion?
Sitting currently before Opera 6.05 on win2k:
Preferences>Network>Server Name Completion>Uncheck 'Try name completion using'
Problem solved, though perhaps not as elegant as getting your current browsers to behave. -
Closing
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Re:Glad to see...
Since it was such a small fix the reason why it took so long for the fixed version to be released is that Mozilla is a monstrosity, and it took SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO long to build it.
That's why I use fast and small browsers, like this browser and another great browser on my systems. -
Re:Where does that leave KDE?Well, don 't feed the Trolls and all that, but an innocent bystander might accidently take you seriously...
"why would you pay extra for widgets that look different and act different?"
Mmm... let's see... Cross platform abillities (Think Opera) maybe? Good and solid API? easy to use? Or wait, how about PDA's? Trolltech looks to me far from doomed....
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What's the worst accessibility example?
There are a lot of sites out there that look great in the latest Microsoft-issued browser, but decompose badly in alternative browsers such as Opera, and are completely unusable in a text-based browser such as Lynx. Sadly, the formatting that breaks down so badly is often completely unrelated to the content.
Can you give some examples of sites that have excellent content, but are rendered useless for people with disablities by presentation-level bells and whistles? -
Re:Idea
Really then. Freaky? I'm assuming you meen the MDI layout. One which I can't get enough of. But alas, that is an option you can turn off. In fact, you can even distribute your own EXE to your 'customers' with your own links, icons, title, settings, and more over at the Opera Composer. If you wanna check it out, log in with 'Someone@someone.com' password 'someone'. VERY nice that composer.
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Im waiting
for one one of these phones, so i can troll on the go!
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There's a new version of beta 1
Which has those security problems fixed. If your opera:about says build 2349 you've got the newer one. If it's a lower build than that you should consider downloading "Opera for Windows Beta 1 v.2" from their website
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Opera 7 beta has also been released long ago
Of course Slashdot mentions every
.1 release of Mozilla and Phoenix, but I have seen no mention of the release of Opera 7 beta. It's incredible, but they have actually managed to improve the speed from Opera 6. Especially on sites that are heavy on tables (Slashdot). It's a bit crashy, and configuration dialog is not complete (and I don't like skinned programs), but for the most part is a great step forward from Opera 6.
And sorry for riding on your frist ps0t... -
Re:How about
instead of abandoning IE, which is a decent web browser, be careful
Opera 7 beta 1 is out. We need no stinking Internet Explorer anymore. And I quote:
Standards-Compliance
Opera continues its commitment to the standards as laid out by the W3C. Opera 7.0 for Windows supports the following technologies: 128-bit encryption, TLS 1.0, SSL 2 and 3, CSS1 and CSS2, XML, HTML 4.01, HTTP 1.1, ECMAScript, JavaScript 1.3, WAP/WML and full support for DOM level 2.
Opera has finally become what Mozilla now tries desperatedly to be
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Re:Worthless recommendations
Opera7 (w/o Java) is 3mb...
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Opera: "Delete Private Data"
Opera wins the privacy contest for me, hands-down, with the "Delete Private Data" option. It's right there in the "File" menu. You get a dialog box asking what you want to delete:
* Cookies (temporary or all)
* Cache (password-protected pages or all)
* History (visited pages, typed-in addresses, visited links, transferred files)
* Clear email passwords (if you use the built-in email)
Of all of these, I think I most like the ability to quickly clear typed-in addresses. I share the computer with the kids, and the last thing I want is for them to type the letter "g" and have "goatse.cx" pop up! -
Re:Hey, nobody died
Then don't use Mozilla, use Opera. With it you can disable all popups. Then, in the rare cases when you need them, they're really easy to re-enable.
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Re:Not just anti-Microsoft
"Untrue. We did some memory usage tests..."
Untrue. If you have automatic RAM cache on, Opera uses about 10% of the available RAM for cache. Desktop devices rarely have memory constraints (at least not in the order of tens of MB), but if you do, turn RAM cache off. -
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Re:I realize most /.ers use IE, but...
Because Opera is not evil, just Norwegian?
;-)
I just noticed that Opera 7 is out in a Beta. I think I'll go give it a spin right away... -
As usual...
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Got to say it...
Opera! It's got a wide array of privacy features. You can not only turn off cookies, images, GIF animation, and all that, but you can do it on the fly by pressing the F12 key. Also, you can choose not to send reffer information along to the site, if you don't want them to know where you came from. One more thing, you can choose to identify as Opera, MSIE, and from 3 different versions of Mozilla. And that's just in the 6.x version, the 7 beta is now availible for download from opera.com!
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