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If you believe that the Half-assed drivers offer valid PERC support. You obviously have never used an enterprise dell server. Use google to find all the shit people have had trying to get a PERC controller working properly under Freebsd 4.x and 5.x and these are not the lastest cards.

ServRAID controllers and MPT fusion [ips.o] drivers are NOT well supported under FreeBSD also.

I am willing to bet the level of support for 3ware drivers and qlogic drivers is very limited [the 3ware was beta last i checked]

When i say Enterprise support I refer to 2-4+ way servers ranging from 32-64 bit systems. I am not speaking about your simple single proc dell desktop --just made-- server in your dads basement.

Until FreeBSD has the support of Hardware and *software* vendors in the Enterprise space , It will remain a toy.

BSD offers nothing above Linux and until they have groups like http://www.osdl.org/ that assures scalibility and stability testing on "ENTERPRISE !!" hardware then it is never going to grow beyond simple SMP on basic x86 hardware.

It might be a good idea and in their own interest for them to contribute financially to some of the free "core" technologies they use. I don't see them in the osdl memberlist for example.

Well, why not link SCO to something the reader gets real value from? Some page where they can learn something about SCO? After all, since those pages indeed tell something about SCO and therefore contain the word SCO, it should even be more effective.

First off, it's libel when it's printed, not slander. (Although if, for instance, Brown were to spout his nonsense on a talk show, I don't know whether it would be libel or slander. Probably the latter.) Second, to win a libel case you have to prove damages, and you have to prove that the information was both false and malicious.

In this case, is it false? Yes. Malicious? That's harder to prove, but could be. Damages? There's the rub. Unless this work damages Linus somehow -- he gets thrown in prison because of allegations in the book, or loses his job (which may I remind you is with a group that is undoubtedly aware of Brown's blatant disregard for the truth), neither of which is likely -- damages would be pretty hard to prove. Especially if sales and usage of Linux continue to climb.

So I think the best course of action is just to refute the FUD everywhere it rears its pointed little head. If Linus were to sue for libel the most likely result would be to make two sets of lawyers richer.

Of course I could be wrong. John Henry Faulk sued AWARE for libel and effectively ended blacklisting in this country. Something similar might come out of a lawsuit against AdTI, but really only Linus could decide if it's worth the effort.

That is a pretty interesting certificate; I may end up using it too. However, the second and (esp.) third options seems a little unspecific: Shouldn't it require the contributing developer to name the origional work and its author(s)/entity(ies)? That way the lead developer could independently confirm that there are no copyright problems, if needed.

Your in luck. I've been looking for something similiar and I bothered to search the web.

A grumpy editor's calendar search
Enterprise Solutions Overview
Open Source Overview
Linux Links

Freshmeat is always worth a look too. The biggest problem I found was too much choice.

So far I've tried Chronos but I found that not all it's CPAN dependancies were resolvable for me. I've also tried MyCalendar.
It's nice and simple, accessible via the web, but unfortunately it's webpages are too big to fit in my cellphone's memory. My ideal solution would serve up some tight WML when necessary and possibly be accessible via Outlook for my secretary.

So, I haven't found my ideal solution yet.

If anyone has any opinion on the other web calendaring solutions, please share...

After doing a little digging for Quandt on the web, I came across this article which paraphrases Quandt at the top like so :

"Users who are technically self-supporting and don't want to pay Red Hat for service and support could deploy Debian", says Open Source Development Lab analyst Stacey Quandt, "and it would lead to greater return on investment."

Perhaps advocacy such as this got her in trouble at OSDL whose members of course include Red Hat.

Stacey Quandt joined OSDL as principal analyst in September 2003 - press release.

LWN coverage of the appointment.

Quandt appears to no longer work for OSDL as she is credited in the featured article as "Stacey Quandt Industry Analyst, Quandt Analytics". Her bio at the bottom of this newsforge story also describes her as no longer working for OSDL. Would be interesting to know her reasons for leaving.

Ballmer: "...the reality is there is no 'center of
gravity,' or central body, investing in the health and
growth of noncommercial software or innovating in critical
areas like engineering, manageability, compatibility and
security."

Contrast the above with the OSDL Mission Statement:

To be the recognized center of gravity for Linux; the
central body dedicated to accelerating the use of Linux for
enterprise computing through:

* Enterprise-class testing and other technical support
for the Linux development community.
* Marshalling of Linux-industry resources to focus
investment on areas of greatest need thereby eliminating
inhibitors to growth.
* Practical guidance to our members - vendors and end
users alike - on working effectively with the Linux
development community.
...



-Nivag

"IBM's endorsement of Linux has added credibility and an illusion of support and accountability, although the reality is there is no 'center of gravity,' or central body, ......"

Funny how MonkeyBoy even feels the need to spin some FUD internally.

Why is it an "illusion" of support? You pay IBM for support, IBM provides you support. Where's the illusion?

As for a center of gravity... I guess no one has told MonkeyBoy the good news about OSDL.

On the other hand, isn't accepting money to do this taking advantage of the FUD that people already have?

Another thing to consider is that the linux legal defense fund setup up by OSDL has already raised $3 million

On the other hand, isn't accepting money to do this taking advantage of the FUD that people already have?

Another thing to consider is that the linux legal defense fund setup up by OSDL has already raised $3 million

The usb issue is fixed in 2.6.5.
Details here

those are the people that really deserve the money.

Let's see:

1- The Free Software Foundation
2- The Open Source Initiative
3- The Open Source Development Labs (They employ Linus Thorvalds)
4- The Source forge

That's only a few of the more obvious ones. I'm pretty sure they'd knew what to do with a few hundred million dollars each.

And yes, the EU could decide to fund various universities with that money for various open-source projects, or set up their own foundation to best spend the cash on worthy F/OSS developers.

Paying SCO before the legal issues have been resolved is a waste of money since companies can turn to OSDL to reimburse their legal costs. This was a bad business decision.

Larry

I've been using 2.6 since .0 with absolutely no problems (execpt for monkeying with nvidia binary driver patches for a while there).

The only complaint I can come up with (which isn't actually a complaint at all) is that 2.6 is still lacking kexec() support. Randy Dunlap has been doing some work on it including patches for 2.6.1 (works with .2 and .3 too), but it doesn't really seem to have much momentum for getting included.

I've only rebooted my workstation 3 times since 2.6.2 came out, and 2 of those was a 'kexec -e' reboot. So I haven't had to wait on my annoying Video BIOS, Motherboard BIOS, or Adaptec BIOS in almost a month, which is nice.

Still, I can see why it is not included because it does break non-standard consoles (e.g. fbcon) on kexec reboot. Sure this is offtopic, but everyone else seems to be bitching about their beefs with 2.6 so I thought I would too :)

Linus isn't part of, and Intel didn't help start, OSDN, that's the parent of Slashdot. I had my OSD's confused.

Intel helped start (and Linus is an employee of,) OSDL. That one letter makes a heck of a difference.

It was an interesting site, and I was pleased to find out that I started using computers two years before that first guy there! ;^)

http://developer.osdl.org/cherry/compile/

In my mind, the prime candidate for releasing the virus is SCO themselves, in a bid to disgrace the Linux community.

That the story has been picked up by the BBC in such a way rather suggests that there is a hidden agenda - Politici(s|z)ing the Open Source movement.

Friends, it is time to organise. Never before has there been a time to be more together and united against such tales. Bodies that truly represents the Open Source philosophy already exists, and I suggest we all get behind them.

The FSF particularly here

The OSDL particularly here

The BBC must learn not to refer to a bunch of loosely knit hackers around the globe in terms more rightly applied to terrorist movements and political agitators. It's not good to rant as an individual with loosely knit backing around the globe. It must be done from a united front. So get with your LUGs and your websites and make sure we're all linking to the same places.

My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.

In my mind, the prime candidate for releasing the virus is SCO themselves, in a bid to disgrace the Linux community.

That the story has been picked up by the BBC in such a way rather suggests that there is a hidden agenda - Politici(s|z)ing the Open Source movement.

Friends, it is time to organise. Never before has there been a time to be more together and united against such tales. Bodies that truly represents the Open Source philosophy already exists, and I suggest we all get behind them.

The FSF particularly here

The OSDL particularly here

The BBC must learn not to refer to a bunch of loosely knit hackers around the globe in terms more rightly applied to terrorist movements and political agitators. It's not good to rant as an individual with loosely knit backing around the globe. It must be done from a united front. So get with your LUGs and your websites and make sure we're all linking to the same places.

My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.

Linus Torvalds can go anywhere. It's probably no accident that he and the The Open Source Development Lab are in Portland. (Beaverton is one of the towns that are part of the metropolitan area of 1.4 million people called Portland.)

Portland has the largest bookstore in the world.

Portland has one of the largest and most successful dealers in contemporary art in the world. The gallery has a funny name, but shows the work of over 1,100 artists.

Portland has the largest park inside a city in the world. The park has over 74 miles of wilderness hiking trails.

Portland is the home of Pink Martini, a band that writes multi-cultural songs. One of Pink Martini's songs was once one of the most popular songs in France. You can listen to the music video.

It's a 55 minute drive from downtown Portland to the ski areas. "World Class Skiing in Your Own Backyard."

The K-12 Linux Project, in Portland, is one of the more successful projects for giving Linux to average users, who in this case are students.

Portland borders on the confluence of the Willamette River and the Columbia River, one of the largest rivers in the world. The Columbia River Gorge, on the eastern edge of Portland, is a world class wind-surfing area.

On the other hand: Q. Why do hippies come to Portland? A. Because there are no jobs.

Many people don't like the months of rain every year. They say Portland is the perfect place for slugs and ducks. (However, the rain cleans the air.)

"The Open Source Development Labs (OSDL), [...], today announced that Trolltech has joined OSDL and will participate in the Lab's new Desktop Linux Working Group."

Linux : going from competing desktops to competing desktop initiatives...

I say we start taking donations and BUY SCO when their stock price falls to nil. Hell, why not short it now, then buy it back when if falls to nil? Give the boatload of $$ and all thier IP to the FSF or OSDL to hold in the public interest.

I'd love to see the look on Darl's face <evil grin here>

I doubt paypal will be an option :) but the fund will seek individual contributions as well as corporate ones. OSDL are still finalising the details.

See the http://www.osdl.org/projects/26lnxstblztn/results/ It's full of such benchmarks. In the "2.5 stability effort", they have a 2.5.66 box with 231 days of uptime (another two with 168 and 102 uptime). There're also links to database benchmarks.

Oh well.

Please check this article from OSDN. Linux kernel developers are well known and actually SCO's definition for commercial software "built by carefully selected and screened teams of programmers" describes better the reality of Linux Kernel development.

Sadly, it looks like the press release was written on Windows. In the second paragraph, Konqueror displays:

Among the Lab?s first steps...

Mozilla on Linux shows the same thing. Did no one notice that? Or do most Slashdotters use Windows these days?

The '?' really is the ASCII value for a question mark (0x3F), so maybe it was just a typo. Or maybe some other software translated it...

Also, if you're at all unsure of the process used to develop the 2.6.0-testX kernel, there's a handy diagram here...

Also check out this to see stats about the different 2.6.0-testX versions compile warnings and errors by John Cherry from the OSDL.

These explained a little:

udev presentation (PDF), Google HTML version.

Detailed paper on udev (PDF), Google HTML version.

devfs works fine for me, but since some people (see second link) want thousands of disks I guess I'm not the target market. I mean ... thousands?

That's something that most "geek" projects have a hard time handling. It's just too large of a problem. They don't have the time or resources to QA their's and everyone else's work.

And as I think about it, it might be tough for a large company too. Take all that work and QA it, turn it into something useful. Hard, hard, and that's what most people like doing, right, is fixing some one else's work? Not.

So I was going to try to give you an answer but no I've talked myself out of it. Too big for geeks, and too big for companies too. I think perhaps we need a paradigm shift. Something that allows individual geek projects to work together better. Something like Extreme Distributed Software Engineering. So that the QA of an integrater for a distro is much smaller and easier.

Hmm, maybe this is a role that the DLC or OSDL could play.

Computer Associates, Fujitsu and Hitachi today joined original lab sponsors Hewlett-Packard Company, Intel Corporation, IBM and NEC Corporation in supporting the lab. Miracle Linux, Mitsubishi and Covalent joined original members Caldera, Dell, Linuxcare, LynuxWorks, Red Hat, SGI, SuSE, Turbolinux and VA Linux as additional contributors and sponsors. The lab is managed by an independent board and officers, as well as a full-time director and staff.

Actually Caldera (now SCO) _was_ listed as an OSDL sponsor company year back, and they were one of the founding companies of OSDL. See this. I wonder why they dropped their membership this year ... :-)

Microsoft are a member of OSDN??? Funny how they don't appear on the membership list!

ehm no? The members. So unless Microsoft has some special hidden member status I very much doubt it. Sure joining your enemies to fight them from the inside is a smart move but this one nobody would fall for.

No it's not.

"VA Software, parent company of OSDN and Slashdot is a member of OSDL."

Considering Linus's employer (Open Source Development Laboratories) has at least two people getting subpoenaed (Linus Torvalds and Stewart Cohen), it probably would make sense for them to get a lawyer. Even more so when you realize that amongst the members of the OSDL are many companies that are none too happy with SCO: IBM, Red Hat, SuSE (ie Novell now), there should be a way for some money to be made available for a lawyer to make sure the subpoenas are appropriate.

Considering Linus's employer (Open Source Development Laboratories) has at least two people getting subpoenaed (Linus Torvalds and Stewart Cohen), it probably would make sense for them to get a lawyer. Even more so when you realize that amongst the members of the OSDL are many companies that are none too happy with SCO: IBM, Red Hat, SuSE (ie Novell now), there should be a way for some money to be made available for a lawyer to make sure the subpoenas are appropriate.

You are a complete fucktard.

• Telecom giants join Linux effort
• Carrier Grade Linux
• Nortel Succession Communication Server 2000
• Cisco SIP Proxy
• Mitel 3050ICP
• Morotola Carrier Grade Chassis
• Motorola HA Linux
• Motorola VoIP
• Zultys Phones
• Zultys PBX
• SNOM Phones
• SNOM Media Server
• Asterisk
• Vovida

Open Source at least is a labor of love. I'd just like to see SOMEONE commit to solid testing so that in the future people wouldn't have to put up with such bug ridden software.

Ask and ye shall receive - ever hear of this place? They employ a few really good programmers, BTW...

Soko

Open Source at least is a labor of love. I'd just like to see SOMEONE commit to solid testing so that in the future people wouldn't have to put up with such bug ridden software.

Ask and ye shall receive - ever hear of this place? They employ a few really good programmers, BTW...

Soko

Open Source at least is a labor of love. I'd just like to see SOMEONE commit to solid testing so that in the future people wouldn't have to put up with such bug ridden software.

Ask and ye shall receive - ever hear of this place? They employ a few really good programmers, BTW...

Soko

Last time I checked Linus worked for OSDL

Geez, who's writing these replies?

Linux lacks reliability ... PC's lack reliability

Perhaps Red Hat Linux lacks reliability, and Gateway value-priced desktop PCs lack reliability. Do you claim this is true of more specialized Linux distributions and mid-to-high-end rackmount PCs as well?

Ok, I think I can keep that.

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Ok, I think I can keep that.

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