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"On the other hand I had someone do a Lexis-Nexis search that shows the term appearing first in late 1998 at the New York trial. Nothing before that. That would indicate that the term might have been invented there. The word Al Qaeda translates into "the base" which is a generic term and because of that this issue might never be completely resolved."
http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000753.html

but the truth still hasn't stopped the jokes)

The truth is the reason for the jokes. We all know what he said, just some people want to deny it.

"In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."" http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm. If you want to argue that he "promoted" the internet, fine, but to claim that "create" means simply "promote", you're wrong. Try telling the actual creators of JIF peanut butter that you created JIF peanut butter because you promote the brand and they'll laugh you into next week.

You want to laugh at Quayle because he used a valid but older spelling for "potatoe", then accept the hoots and howls when Gore talks about creating things.

This whole "Gore claims to have invented the internet" is not only one of the most effective pieces of disinformation I've ever seen (yes, promulgation of this was funded by Richard Mellon-Scaife, among others of his repellant ilk), it is also one of the most absurd since, as it happens, Gore DID play quite a serious role in the creation of the internet.

The truth can be found here. A briefer version is here.

Oh, and for the record, not too long *after* the election was over, a statement was jointly issued by various politicians, most notably Newt Gingrich, stating their gratitude to Gore's longtime leadership on this issue and to how huge a role he had played in creating our current high tech world.

"Al Gore claims to have invented the Internet", debunked (among other places) here: http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm (dated) and http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

(Burning my karma once again, folks don't seem to like to see "popular" falsehoods debunked).

When he was a senator, he supported funding for NSFNet through the High Performance Computing Act that became law in 1991. He wrote guest columns for Byte magazine that reflected an appreciation of technology.

According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act.

The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

Gore described a letter he'd received from a girl in West Tennessee while he was a congressman. Based on the girl's complaint about a poisoned well, he organized an investigation, which in turn led to other pollution sites, culminating in the expose of Love Canal. Referring to the well in Toone, Tennessee, Gore said, "That was the one you didn't hear of--but that was the one that started it all."

Let me tell you, they couldn't have made this move any sooner. Some of the law students were having 'independent' thoughts about how the United States legal system should be corrected and it was just causing mass chaos in the classrooms. One student kept reading things online like People Before Lawyers and began voicing concerns about the plaintiffs and defendants (you know, the actual humans involved) in certain cases. Let's just say that individual had to stay back a few years after having to repeat the class Soul Removal 101 and begin the process over. It was very ugly I think they were only eligible to be a para-legal after that incident.

The "internet" (or "anarchist-net" as we've dubbed it here) is nothing more than a distraction for students and could never ever possibly be used for learning. I suppose next citizens will want every single state and federal law posted on there so they can try to interpret it themselves! Not on my watch, we here at U of Chicago produce no fewer than 50,000 lawyers a year and we will see you in court if you try to circumvent the United State's legal system's need for them (Sprint, we're watching you!).

Seems like Spocko has found a new internet host. The blog can now be found at:
      http://www.spockosbrain.com/

For those interested, the new host has commented on his intentions to keep the
blog up and going
      http://marc.perkel.com/

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to find that deceptive advertising is going on. I mean it's not like they, as in the ubiquitious they, think people are malleable, easily led astray, brainwashed, etc, etc.

De Beers has the longest running viral marketing campaign in history. It started in the 1880's and is still going strong today.

You seem to be implying that all Al Gore did was go to Congress sometime in the 90's and say, "Hey guys, this Internet thing is really cool!". As other posters have pointed out, some of the core innovators in what we now call the Internet credit Gore for his work at making the Internet what it is. I trust them more than I trust you.

Let's get specific, though. According to Did Al Gore Invent the Internet?

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act.

Some nice things that that bill did, besides sponsor Andreesen? It set up a national computing plan, it linked research centers and universities across the country, and it funded a lot of other important research.

Did Al Gore invent the internet? No. He did sponsor the bills that provided funding and vision for some key components of it, though.

BTW, to say you were there to see the Internet created, and then say you've been on the Internet since 1990 is idiotic. The net's been around a lot longer than that. The ARPANET, which is what evolved into the Internet, has been around since 1969. Email came along in 1972. TCP/IP a year later, and things just grew from there. Let me quote from A Brief History of the Internet

Thus, by 1985, Internet was already well established as a technology supporting a broad community of researchers and developers, and was beginning to be used by other communities for daily computer communications.

Oh man youv'e hit terminal lefty sanctimoniousness in only 2 posts congrats ... I am not taking you seriously

Maybe I'm being "sanctimonious" again, but if you start out with an ad hominem, you'll put people on the defensive and encourage flames. Look - if you want me (or anyone else) to take your arguments seriously, you'll have to return the favour.

You demand in the classic manner of the arrogant left that I don't provide evidence that I should find you the numbers

We both have the right to ask for evidence and sources to claims that haven't been verified. If you need me to provide evidence for one of my points - go ahead and ask.

If you want posts and examples for my position just read this thread.

Okay - let's take this one, where you claim that Clinton was the only good economic result out of four dem presidents. You don't point to any evidence of this. Now - neither do your detractors, but all that does is make them just as bad at arguing as you, and leaving you both feeling as if you weren't taken seriously. You are both coming at this discussion from different points of view, and it is absolutely necessary to explain that view to each other in order for meaningful communication to take place.

I've read through more of your posts, and they're full of sarcasm. The problem is, you're not in a conservative echo chamber either. You can't make a joke about Al Gore inventing the internet without expecting people to jump on it and tell you he was misquoted. If you're going to post here, you have to cut the sarcasm and stick to facts, because any humour or snark you're trying to inject is going to be lost on the audience.

I dont recall mentioning a stand on the 2nd law, I just said that Darwinian evolution is incomplete.
I hadn't read your posts when I mentioned this - It's just one big beef of mine, and serves as a good example of dishonest argument. I don't want to get into an evolutionary discussion here, but if you can come up with a good alternative to evolutionary theory that explains the evidence better - and explain it well...not only will you find an appreciative audience here, you'll probably win a Nobel prize.

BTW - evolutionary theory has made predictions. Dinosaurs with feathers and fish with lungs, for instance - including the approximate age of the rocks they're found in. (I know there are counterarguments to this out there - but the idea that evolution "doesn't make predictions" is simply false).

I stand by my assertion that people here are open, but you do have to be civilized about it. Having read through your other posts, I can tell you your tone is the problem. The sheer contempt you display for "liberals" and "lefties" automatically turns people off and makes them want to flame you.

A very interesting remark. Why? lately i viewed the BCC Documentary, "the Power of Nightmares", which indeed reveiled that Al-Qeida is just a name for a organisation which does not exist! the name Al-Qeida is a fabrication by the Federal US Prosecutors in order to get warrent for arrest to nail Osama Bin Laden, a.k.a. Tim Osman within the CIA.

See also :

"Al-Qaeda Is Fiction: The Organization Doesn't Exist"

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Mark Perkel | July 4 2005

I came across three films produced by the BBC called "The Power of Nightmares" which explain how various groups use the fear of terrorism to advance their political power. I've spent all day converting them to a smaller format so that they can be ea silly downloaded. But they are an hour long each and are about 75 megs each. They are however extraordinary and it's quite an education into the history of Islamic Terrorism and American neo conservatives. Here are the links:

Baby it's Cold Outside
The Phantom Victory
The Shadows in the Cave>

Sorry for the windows (WMV) format but it allowed me to shrink the video to 1/10 it's original size. I don't think there's a copyright issue but if there is I'll wait till someone screams about it. I think the BBC would want people to see these films.

In particular the third film makes a shocking revelation. The terrorist group al-Qaeda in fact does not exist. It was made up in January of 2001 in order to prosecute Osama bin Laden in his absence. In order to prosecute bin Laden there had to be an organization like the Mafia for which he was a part of. Under the law if such an organization exists then the head of the organization can be prosecuted under the law. So in order to bring the prosecution they made up the organization and called it al-Qaeda.

But the organization is fiction. It doesn't exist. It's all a huge fraud.

After 9-11 - a terrorist act that was organized by a bin Laden aide and funded by bin Laden - Bush dug up the name al-Qaeda from the prosecutors in the New York case against him. And since then we have been in a battle against a fictional enemy. The very people who made the story up now are believing their own lies.

What I first heard about this movie I too was skeptical. I thought, "Yeah right! al-Qaeda doesn't exist - sure!" But now that I watched it, and with the other two movies providing further background, I am sitting here in shock and awe. Keep in mind that this was made by the BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) which is hardly some tin foil hat organization!

Here's the BBC Link that talks about the 3 films. I edited off the front part of the last two because it was identical to the first one and I wanted to save bandwidth.

If what this movie says is true then we shouldn't be able to find any al-Qaeda references in the news before the begining of 2001. So lets start hunting this up and find out where the name al-Qaeda first surfaced. "

Cheers,

Robert

If a site is used as a tool for click fraud, that cancel that sites account, and refuse to pay them. They will not provide evidence of the abuse, and will not listen to the web master when he claims he/she is innocent.

Here are a couple of examples:

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000056.html
And
http://regex.adnd.com/?p=92

Screw the little guy to protect the big guy seems to be googles motto.

And if you do a google search for "Adsense Sucks" you will see alot of people have this complaint.

"What Al Gore said was that when he was with the NSF, he helped generate funding for the Internet."

Nope.

Here is what was said:
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

Go here to download the sound bite:

http://www.freeaudioclips.com/

You are *already* required to identify yourself when you board a plane

Umm.. hmmm.. really?

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000686.html

http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/msg 22780.html

Is there anyone still buying that pack of Rethuglican bulls**t?

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
http://www.sethf.com/gore/

So, who're we to believe? Some guy on slashdot, rethugican hacks, or Vint Cerf... I choose to believe Cerf.

Everyone, don't feed the troll.

This guy did exactly that to PayPal.

"Sir, I do not give you permission to record this call" ... "Yes you did. Right at the beginning of this call a voice said, 'This call may be recorded. It didn't say by whom'"

cLive ;-)

Stop it!!

Al Gore never claimed to _invent_ the internet. He did claim some credit for _creating_ the internet.

This article gives the real story.

Essentially Gore provided political backing for the Internet which allowed it to become what we know today.

Among the quotes in the article:
According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by [Gore in his current role as Vice President] and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

You do know that the Moonies, or rather more specifically, Sun Myung Moon, owns Wacom, right?

I know, I know. It's still a bad-ass product.

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Hes taking credit for supporting the creation of the internet, providing funds through congress, that kind of thing. He wasnt saying that he actually invented the internet, wrote the code for tcp/ip, or anythign like that.

Source

Ah, that's nothing, a report was released on, literally, thousands of Taliban prisoners being slaughtered and tortured.

It's hard to choose sides though, since most of these people were zealots and suicide bombers who had collectively killed as many soldiers as soldiers killed them. It's basically our atrocious Nazi-based American government against mass-murderers.

Please know your facts before you spout out complete lies, especially ones as tired as the "Gore Claimed To Have Invented the Internet" lie.

Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet.

Here are the actual facts, from this informative site:

In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that's how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of "inventing" for the actual language. [...]

But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet? According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

Most civilized countries have a system called Loser Pays. Where if the plaintiff of a lawsuit loses then they have to pay the legal fees of the defendant.

With the current system the plaintiff can bombard the defendant with paperwork until they give up and decide it's cheaper to settle out of court.

Loser pays would make people seriously consider the validity of their lawsuit before going ahead with it.

Really, what is the US coming to? With VERY little research, a foreigner, like myself can discover this is conservative propagnada. Al Gore Never said he "invented the internet". He did say, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Regarding that statment; Vincent Cerf, who's been called the Father of the Internet, said "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act.
The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

So, what Gore said was "true" according to Traub, Ferber, Andreesen, and Cerf.

This "story", can be read about here: http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

Bottom line, please DONT spread this meme, its flatly untrue... but the fact that this story "Has Legs" in the US is not surprising, when you read here (please read this..) that One in three Americans believe WMD have been found in Iraq. Nearly one in four Americans believe Iraq actually used WMD in the war. And half of those polled in a survey said Iraqis were among the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001.

With the US so poorly informed, its no wonder Shrub runs willy-nilly around the planet... WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE USA?

This site has a reasonable summary of his accomplishments.
Some that I liked :

Family and Medical Leave Act - Helped guarantee maternity/paternity leave and family illness.

Cut taxes for low income families (Under $27K)

Cut federal spending by 255 billion dollars. Even though we were in a boom his administration focused on a budget that wasn't pure fantasy.

Issued a new executive order to require polluters to disclose information to the public and expanded the public's right-to-know about toxic releases.

Fought for passage of and signed into law the Congressional Accountability Act.

According to this site we also have the following :

The economy created 7.7 million new jobs in the first 34 months of this Administration.

Passed the largest deficit-cutting plan in history -- saving more than $1 trillion over seven years.

On track for three consecutive years of deficit reduction -- for the first time since Harry Truman.

Cut federal spending by $255 billion over 5 years.

Made new tax cuts available to over 90% of small businesses.

Unemployment has fallen from 7% when President Clinton took office to its current rate of 5.6%

Lowest combined rate of unemployment and inflation since 1968.

1994 real GDP growth was the highest in a decade.

I'm sure, though that some folks will claim these are all either an amazing coincidence, or are in fact the fruition of the Reagan/Bush years. Anything bad is of course Bill's fault, or can be blamed on Lyndon Johnson as a failed policy of the Great Society.

Excerpted from this interesting article

Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that's how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of "inventing" for the actual language.

But the real question is what, if anything, did Gore actually do to create the modern Internet? According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

Wired is good for sense of wonder science articles and gadgets, but I'm not sure you should trust their political reporting.

Guess it doesn't matter now, Bush used this kind of crap to make Gore untrustworthy enough to steal 2000, so it's kind of moot. Wonder if oilfields would be burning under President Gore?

Personal website of an EFF wingnut

I'm not sure if this could be profitably wrapped into dead-tree form, but maybe this will help you in your quest.

A Nerd's guide to sex
Casanova's Tips
Sex Tips for Geeks

Oh, and you should probably also get some new clothes.

If this is true, your home may no longer be your castle unless you put a moat around it, and be awfully careful who you lower the drawbridge to.

If this is true, your home may no longer be your castle unless you put a moat around it, and be awfully careful who you lower the drawbridge to.

The government isn't saying "all drugs are bad" .. they're saying "all drugs except the ones that heavily feed our economy such as nicotine and alcohol are bad".

Funny cartoon related to this at http://www.perkel.com/politics/issu es/smoke.htm. BTW, anyone here thinking of starting smoking, go read that page first. Some useful info there.

The government isn't saying "all drugs are bad" .. they're saying "all drugs except the ones that heavily feed our economy such as nicotine and alcohol are bad".

Funny cartoon related to this at http://www.perkel.com/politics/issu es/smoke.htm. BTW, anyone here thinking of starting smoking, go read that page first. Some useful info there.