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He was just being careful. From the CIA's perspective its the attack on the USA itself that's important. Figuring out what would have happened without it is an issue for academics, not them.

Yes, its true that there was Russian interference from the left too. Most of that was in the service of promoting Sanders, and promoting the idea that he got cheated somehow. The one thing they did NOT do was help Clinton in any way. She was viewed as an enemy since the State Department (under her leadership) took several actions that were viewed as politically hostile to Putin.

So basically the goals here were 1- Destabilize the USA and 2 - Prevent their least favorite candidate from getting elected.

There's nothing new about this. Destabilizing strong neighbors is diplomacy 101. Its also an inherently hostile act though. Countries get invaded for far less. So the question here is, is there any way to get Russia to stop it short of military action? Or is the USA just gonna lay back and take it?

He was just being careful. From the CIA's perspective its the attack on the USA itself that's important. Figuring out what would have happened without it is an issue for academics, not them.

Yes, its true that there was Russian interference from the left too. Most of that was in the service of promoting Sanders, and promoting the idea that he got cheated somehow. The one thing they did NOT do was help Clinton in any way. She was viewed as an enemy since the State Department (under her leadership) took several actions that were viewed as politically hostile to Putin.

So basically the goals here were 1- Destabilize the USA and 2 - Prevent their least favorite candidate from getting elected.

There's nothing new about this. Destabilizing strong neighbors is diplomacy 101. Its also an inherently hostile act though. Countries get invaded for far less. So the question here is, is there any way to get Russia to stop it short of military action? Or is the USA just gonna lay back and take it?

Oh, so no evidence and you claim Page is a traitor.

There is plenty of evidence against Carter Page that we know about. The evidence we don't know about, which was used to get a FISA warrant against him, is in the Intelligence Committee Memo that the Democrats want to put out but Donald Trump refuses to allow. But as I said, what we know is plenty:

https://www.politico.com/magaz...

You don't have to maim people to protest and cause political disruption. Read some Gandhi.

But if something is not done soon about inequality, it will end rough.

Oh dear, you sad semi-literate Trumpie, you missed all the references (not one of them is Reddit). Here they are so you can improve your reading skills.

1) The Guardian - Trump Tower meeting with Russians treasonous, Bannon says in explosive book

2) NBC - A Panama tower carries Trump’s name and ties to organized crime

3) Global Witness - Narco-A-Lago: Money Laundering At The Trump Ocean Club Panama

4) The Guardian - Trumps Panama tower used for money laundering by condo owners, reports say

5) Sketchy Donald Trump Deal Eyed For Ties To Iran | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

6) The New Yorker - Donald Trump’s Worst Deal:
The President helped build a hotel in Azerbaijan that appears to be a corrupt operation engineered by oligarchs tied to Iran’s Revolutionary Guard

7) NPR - The New Yorker Uncovers Trump Hotels Ties To Corrupt Oligarch Family

8) Business Insider - Dossier author Christopher Steele: Trumps hotel and land deals with Russians need to be examined

9) New York Times - Trump Associate Boasted That Moscow Business Deal ‘Will Get Donald Elected’

10) The Washington Post - Trump’s company had more contact with Russia during campaign, according to documents turned over to investigators

11) Slate - An Intriguing Link Between the Mueller Investigation, Trump, and Alleged Money Laundering

12) GQ - Inside Donald Trumps Election Night War Room

13) Politico - Trump’s mob-linked ex-associate gives $5,400 to campaign

14) Raw Story - Longtime Trump business partner ‘told family he knows he and POTUS are going to prison’: report

15) The Spectator - Forget Charlottesville - Russia Is Still The True Trumps True Scandal

16) McClatchy - Donald Trump and the mansion that no one wanted. Then came a Russian fertilizer king

17) New York Times - Tracking the Yachts and Jets of the Mega-Rich

18) McClatchy - Trump, Russian billionaire say they’ve never met,

E.g. there's a shitload of extra cash for the military

https://www.politico.com/story...

Friday's pact, signed by President Donald Trump, adds $165 billion to the Pentagon budget over two years. That means the military will receive at least $1.4 trillion in total through September 2019 to help buy more fighter planes, ships and other equipment, boost the size of the ranks, and beef up training - a level of funding that seemed a long shot just months ago.

Senate Armed Services Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has long pushed for a $700 billion annual budget for the military, said in a statement that the agreement finally gives the Pentagon the "budget certainty it needs to begin the process of rebuilding the military."

"The deal is a huge win for defense hawks," said Mackenzie Eaglen of the American Enterprise Institute. "The groundwork was being laid for years culminating in what I predict will be the peak year of defense spending since the last peak in 2010."

Basically the deal is that everyone gets what they want and the deficit goes through the stratosphere. GO USA!

From Politico:

"A footnote saying something may be political is a far cry from letting the American people know that the Democrats and the Hillary campaign paid for dirt that the FBI then used to get a warrant on an American citizen to spy on another campaign," Nunes said on "Fox & Friends."

There are/were a cabal of 6-10 hard core alt left fascist Democrats at the top of DOJ and the FBI (politically promoted during the Obama administration) that were in on this dumpster fire that is the Trump Russian surveillance farce. They will be ferreted out, arrested and charged with violation of 18USC 242. https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... its just a mater of time.

With any luck they will roll on high ranking officials in the Obama administration and Clinton campaign, who it is clear were also involved in the facilitating and encouraging the illegal surveillance of the Trump candidacy and presidency. https://www.politico.com/story...

The wheels of justice are turning, but slowly. Without Obama's corrupt DOJ to protect them, the corruption of the Obama executive branch is coming to light, and you can bet under Trump it will be prosecuted.

Impeding abuse of power (18USC 242 https://www.law.cornell.edu/us... ) is never a crime. The entire Trump Russia investigation was predicated on the 100% false Steele Dossier, bought by the Clinton campaign and created by Russian agents feeding misinformation to Steele (try to keep up CrankyFool)... Stop slurping up the shit being shoved by the MSM and actually read it: https://www.politico.com/story...

The only collusion in the last election was by the Clinton campaign and Obama administration, DOJ and FBI using an un-verified, demonstrably false report created by a foreign agent (Michael Steele) as an excuse to spy on an opposition candidate and then president elect Donald Trump. It was 100% illegal and I guarantee some people are going to jail, but it will be Democrats who do the frog march, regardless of how much bullshit is shoveled out by the Dims and sprayed around by the MSM. You will never get the truth so long as your lips are glued to the ass of MSNBC.

The American people have no faith in the MSM these days because the MSM don't give a shit about the truth, only furthering their ideology, and they are burying the truth in the hopes that nothing comes of it, but without the Obama DOJ covering their asses, the Democrats illegal abuses of power are going to explode in their collective faces.

The wheels of justice grind slowly forward.

"1) .. It lists facts of record, which by definition cannot be biased."

This is just naive. There are lots of ways to create bias even in a list of facts.

"5) ... it has no conclusions."

The following are not facts, these are conclusions.

Our findings, which are detailed below, 1) raise concerns with the legitimacy and legality of certain DOJ and FBI interactions with the Foreign IntelligenceSurveillance Court (FISC), and 2) represent a troubling breakdown of legal processes established to protect the American people from abuses related to the FISA process.

"7) Remember, this memo did not originate with Trump. It was brought to him by members of Congress."

Yes, and what is the significance of that?

As for the rest...start here... this is pretty well written.

https://www.politico.com/magaz...

The rape allegation is a rape allegation. You appear to be very willing to throw accusations out if you like a guy.

You appear to be willfully obtuse, in that you're ignoring the entire point here: if this is about a rape allegation....let it be about a rape allegation and not a pretext for U.S. extradition. And again, even if you think Assange is bluffing about returning to Sweden in return for a promise not to be handed over to the U.S., such a guarantee would mean Ecuador would no longer have a reason to grant him asylum.

The Swedish Government can't actually give assurances against extradition without writing a new law. That's a judicial matter.

Countries deny extradition requests all the time, even for known terrorists. Sweden would have perfectly valid reasons in denying extradition to a country known for using the death penalty and torture.

Do you have two examples of Sweden allowing CIA kidnapping?

If you were wanted by a country known for using torture, kidnapping and throwing whistleblowers in prisons for decades, how many examples would you need of third party complicity?

You have provided no support for the idea that the US wants him in the first place.

That's like asking for evidence that Obama is black. You're really asking if the U.S. has interest in getting a man into custody who has published dirt and war crimes for multiple administrations. Really?

U.S. officials have openly joked about having him assassinated for years, Obama persecuted more whistleblowers than all previous presidents combined times two, and a sealed indictment has been an open secret for years.

As far as I can tell, Assange likely raped a woman

Based on the fact that neither woman made a rape allegation and Assange was cleared by Swedish investigators to leave the country?

I see no reason for him to fear torture.

After I mentioned how Chelsea Manning was tortured with solitary confinement for months on end? Then you're willfully blind. The real nail in the coffin of your imperialist apologia is the case of Gottfrid Svartholm. Sweden goes to great lengths to extract a Pirate Bay founder from a non-extradition country, then as soon as he lands in the country he's held incommunicado for completely separate charges for a completely separate country. Which means that interrogation and extradition were planned in advance. And was then deported to said country.

Your sources are crap

When your only rebuttal is the opponent's sources, you are usually done for. Because none of them are lying, nor have any obvious conflict of interest. But, hey, how about the below citations, this time from unimpeachable sources?

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When Republicans talk about "States rights", they really mean the right of states to pass laws that discriminate against people. They do not mean the right for states to establish their own drug laws nor for states to adopt laws like net neutrality.

See, Republicans only complain about the big bad federal government when they pass laws they don't like. In other words, Republicans want to be bigots, and want to pass laws to support their bigotry, and cry "states rights" only to support their hateful agenda.

before the inevitable crash. Hope you got somebody on the inside who lets you know when. Like these guys do.

Way to wish away the reality of the situation. Yes, extremists - like crazy lefties who want to silence speech

You appear to have an extreme case of irony deficiency. You should get that looked at.

"Crazy censoring lefties" is a talking point of your particular tribe of extremists who are desperate to accuse everybody else of your own crimes.

Rapper Common Disinvited By University As Commencement Speaker Over Song Lyrics
Vanderbilt puts Duke Med alum on leave after complaint about kneeling to protest white supremacy - The Chronicle
CBS Fires Jewish VP for Anti-White Comments Follows Las Vegas Shooting – Occidental Dissent
Drexel censures professor for white genocide tweet.
Firing of Shirley Sherrod - Wikipedia
After news reports on tweets, queer advocate fired from Claremont Colleges
Two Liberal Professors Fired after Making Controversial, Anti-White Remarks |
Texas State Student Who Wrote Anti-White Op-Ed Fired Off School Paper
L'Oreal Drops Transgender Model After 'All White People' Racism Post
Texas State newspaper fires anti-white column's author as backlash escalates | Fox News
Nurse fired for post suggesting sons of white women be ‘sacrificed’ | New York Post
Lawmaker pushing legislation to refund fans angered by anthem protests
Good News: Trump Protestors Accused Of 'Hiding Behind The First Amendment' Acquitted | Techdirt
Fox refuses to air tax ad with Trump impersonator - POLITICO
Profane anti-Trump sticker sparks free-speech debate in Texas | Fox News
Tennessee Baptist church that hired female pastor can't vote - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports
Why I was banned from the campus of Liberty University | Religion News Service
Why Liberty University Kicked an Anti-Trump Christian Author Off Campus - Th

https://www.npr.org/2017/09/14...

Payment is unclear. A generous plan that covers all Americans is going to require more revenue. There's no exact plan for how to pay for Sanders' bill, but he did on Wednesday afternoon release a list of potential payment options. Among the proposals: a 7.5 percent payroll tax on employers, a 4 percent individual income tax and an array of taxes on wealthier Americans, as well as corporations. In addition, Sanders' plan says the end of big health insurance-related tax expenditures, like employers' ability to deduct insurance premiums, would save trillions of dollars.

But even with all of those potential revenue-boosters, Sanders may still fall far short of the total amount of money needed to pay for his ambitious program. Altogether, his estimates of how much money his funding mechanisms would generate totals up to around $16 trillion over 10 years. In a 2016 report on his presidential campaign's "Medicare for All" plan, the Urban Institute estimated that the plan would cost $32 trillion over 10 years.

Right now the total US debt is $20 trillion

https://www.treasurydirect.gov...

So you're looking at adding another $16-$32 trillion to that over ten years depending on how overly optimistic his plan turns out to be. I'm sure that won't cause any problems, like a sovereign debt crisis for example, at all.

After all single payer for all worked out fine in Vermont. Oh wait, not it didn't.

https://www.politico.com/story...

This shouldn't come as a surprise. This entire administration has been built around two policies: A) if Obama did it, get rid of it and B) mysticism and flimflammery over science.

This is the same man who said he wants to bring back coal despite its known hazards (acid rain and greenhouse gases to name two), and recently upped tariffs on solar panels which will all but destroy the thriving solar industry in this country, an industry which has more jobs than oil, coal and gas combined.

This is the same man who denies climate change, yet says he needs to protect his failing Irish golf course from climate change by building a sea wall.

“If the predictions of an increase in sea level rise as a result of global warming prove correct, however, it is likely that there will be a corresponding increase in coastal erosion rates not just in Doughmore Bay but around much of the coastline of Ireland. In our view, it could reasonably be expected that the rate of sea level rise might become twice of that presently occurring. As a result, we would expect the rate of dune recession to increase.”

“As with other predictions of global warming and its effects, there is no universal consensus regarding changes in these events,” it states. “Our advice is to assume that the recent average rate of dune recession will not alter greatly in the next few decades, perhaps as far into the future as 2050 as assumed in the [government study] but that subsequently an increase in this rate is more likely than not.”

He's made numerous comments anti-vaccine comments:

        Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases!

        — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 28, 2014b

“You take this little beautiful baby, and you pump — I mean, it looks like just it’s meant for a horse and not for a child,” Trump said. “We had so many instances [in which] a child had a vaccine, and came back and a week back had a tremendous fever, got very very sick, and now is autistic.”

And considered appointing an anti-vaccine proponent to a commission on vaccine safety and "scientific integrity".

That he would now defund the ISS is inline with his anti-science stance. Because he is incapable of seeing any benefit to its continuation (who needs scientific research anyway?), and he can't make a dime off it, it's no good. And especially since Obama touted the numerous successes and scientific knowledge coming from it.

Actually, only online propaganda and hacking has been blamed on Russia.

And trying to hack an electrical grid. And voting machines. And invading Crimea. And invading Ukraine.

We know Russia has excellent hackers and buildings full of online propagandists, so it seems like a logical conclusion that they have been using them.

Uh huh. Without going to Google, can you name a single instance of such propaganda efforts, backed up by actual evidence and not hysterical accusations. Next, how does it compare to the billions spent to undermine the Ukrainian, Syrian, Libyan and Venezuelan governments - half of which resulted in "successful" regime change, and hundreds of thousands of deaths.

It's 2018 and the Republicans have controlled both Congress and the Presidency for over a year, so why are you bringing up the 2016 elections? At this rate, I swear it's 2037 and one of you retards with a faded MAGA hat is going to tell me about how that Trump and Republicans won and that I should accept it. Seriously, we get it!

Not a Trump supporter, so that just makes you look stupid. And of course is is all about the 2016 election. Leaked emails from Hillary campaign showed her own insiders seeing the uranium deal as the biggest liability for her campaign. So, they followed the lead set by Bush in 2004, and laid plans to accuse their handpicked opponent of what they themselves were guilty of.

And if the party had to stop talking about Russia for five minutes, they might have to actually start talking about why they lost to an incompetent racist WWE character who boasted about grabbing women by the pussy. They might have to talk about why they've made zero changes to their strategy or why there's been zero accountability for rigging their own primary, and shoving over a billion dollars in campaign money into a pile on the street and setting it on fire.

There was budget surpluses each year between 1998 and 2001, 2001 being the last year of Clinton's budgets. In 2002, the first year of Bush's budgets, we once again had a deficit.

In 2001, the projected 10 year surplus was ~5.6 trillion, with the national debt standing at ~5.7 trillion. That means, if the projection held true, we stood within 11 years of eliminating the national debt. And, of course, we remember what republicans did: a tax cut, a give away to big pharm, and two wars put straight onto the debt. Given the choice, republicans exploded the debt instead of paying it off. They actively chose to fuck over everyone except the 1%. And lets put this in perspective... that tax cut was supposed to cost 1.6 trillion over 10 years, but over just 8 years our debt exploded to 10.6 trillion... a 5 trillion dollar increase... BECAUSE republicans chose to say "the debt doesn't matter," right Dick.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/...

The Bush tax cuts are responsible for a full 1/3rd of our current national debt. You know, those tax cuts that republicans swore wer going to pay for themselves, increase growth, and increase revenue. And just as they did when Reagan passed his tax cut.... they didn't do anything the republicans swore they'd do. revenue fell (duh), growth was anemic at best (much slower job growth and slightly slower GDP growth than when Clinton was in office), and the national debt exploded.

And lets face it, this tax cut bullshit is ll based on Dick "the dick" Cheney's Laffer Curve which was never anything more than a line on a napkin...with no numbers attached. It was the basis for the supply-side economics bullshit that has driven this country into massive debt. Even the guy who developed it for Reagan says it doesn't work. But, true believes always have brown eyes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Quite simply put... there are no fiscally conservative republicans. All there is is a bunch of anti-federal government, anti-American politicians that are leeching everything they can out of this countries coffers for themselves and their wealthy benefactors.

Because, of course, while you have have republicans screaming about spending less, they're pushing through tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy: https://www.politico.com/story...

Reagan enacted two tax cuts, one in 1981, one in 1983. 11 tax increases later Bush Sr. was elected and he... raised taxes more.... then Clinton raised taxes a record with a record breaking increase. Net results after all those tax INCREASES.... longest period of growth in US history, and a budget surplus for 4 years. Took republicans less than 2 years to fuck it all up.

I've got a great idea... if this tax cut doesn't do what republicans say it is going to (which it wont, because they NEVER have), then every single congress person that voted for it, and every single citizen who voted in those congress people... every one of them should forfeit every single penny they have to pay for their fuckup. Reagan cut taxes, the debt exploded; Bush Jr cut taxes, the debt exploded; Who wants to bet on a 30 trillion national debt in 5 years?

But dude, they spend $1.97 showing ad for the 'Buff Bernie' coloring book. 848 people saw it!

https://www.politico.com/story...

'Buff Bernie' coloring book

This ad promoted a coloring book called "Buff Bernie," filled with "very attractive doodles of Bernie Sanders in muscle poses." It added that "I've recently heard some hateful comments from the Hillary supporters about Bernie Sanders and his supporters" - language aimed at stirring up the kinds of intra-party divisions that would later flare after the first release of Russian-hacked Democratic Party documents during the summer of 2016.

Posted on: LBGT United group on Facebook
Created: March 2016
Targeted: People ages 18 to 65+ in the United States who like "LGBT United"
Results: 848 impressions, 54 clicks
Ad spend: 111.49 rubles ($1.92)

Maybe the Russian shills get paid in Bitcoin and perverse incentives cause them to shill for Bitcoin on company time to try to protect their nest egg.

That would explain why the people getting paid to spend Moscow Gold on Facebook ads only ended up spending a few bucks on some laughable awful ones.

https://www.politico.com/story...

'Buff Bernie' coloring book

This ad promoted a coloring book called "Buff Bernie," filled with "very attractive doodles of Bernie Sanders in muscle poses." It added that "I've recently heard some hateful comments from the Hillary supporters about Bernie Sanders and his supporters" - language aimed at stirring up the kinds of intra-party divisions that would later flare after the first release of Russian-hacked Democratic Party documents during the summer of 2016.

Posted on: LBGT United group on Facebook
Created: March 2016
Targeted: People ages 18 to 65+ in the United States who like "LGBT United"
Results: 848 impressions, 54 clicks
Ad spend: 111.49 rubles ($1.92)

Whoever did paid for that ad to try to influence a US election didn't care about their job.

Thanks, Obama!

And look the other way at Hezbollah drug trafficking and money laundering in the US while you're at it - can't piss off the crazy mullahs!

The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

An ambitious U.S. task force targeting Hezbollah's billion-dollar criminal enterprise ran headlong into the White House's desire for a nuclear deal with Iran.

The ruling was the first time that a federal court had blocked a congressional map because of a partisan gerrymander

This may be the first time a federal court has intervened, but such cases do happen all the time — one just reached Supreme Court in Texas last September — and a federal court may get involved there as well.

That the federal judges intervened in a matter of how a State decides on voting should be troubling to anyone, who claims to support States' Rights...

It is a myth being sold to cover up yet another governmental power-grab.

A noun, a verb, and "government power-grab".

From TFS:

The people who have left were responsible for collecting and analyzing the intelligence that goes into the president's daily briefing.

Daily intelligence briefings for the Chief Executive used to be a vitally important component of policy formulation. Then President Chump was sworn in, and suddenly they became completely irrelevant, because they bored him. He refuses to read or even listen to them, even when they mostly contain brightly-colored graphics, videos, and other visual elements designed to appeal to the functional-illiterate-in-chief. They've also been tailored to avoid topics, such as the latest intelligence on Russian psyops interference in the 2016 election, that push the Orange Oaf's buttons. (Let me point you to an alternative citation, because the Washington Post article may be paywalled for those who don't know how to use private browsing and cookie deletion to get around it.)

Think about how you'd feel if you had dedicated your career to producing detailed, highly-nuanced, daily reports on a whole range of intelligence topics for the most powerful national leader on the planet - only to discover that the new guy is completely uninterested in any information that can't be expressed in crayon drawings and bumper sticker catchphrases. Now throw in civil servant wages, and ask yourself whether that job would be in any way attractive to you?

Yeah - it's like that.

That's why they're leaving ...

Of course like so many of his tweets, this one was also wrong, that the NFL has no preferential status..

Actually they do, just one order removed in that it applies to all stadiums for all sports. In fact, multiple republicans have gone on the record that they wanted to repeal it because of the police brutality protests (democrats want to scrap it because its corporate welfare).

But, surprise, surprise, privately trump wanted to keep the subsidy and got it stripped from the final version of the gop taxscam. The fact that he's taken millions from NFL team owners probably has something to do with that. Stir up the racist base in public and then give handjobs to the rich in the backroom. Plutopopulism!

He is definitely a wannabe dictator. The guy even decorates his homes in dictator chic.

The reason America is still better than those autocracies is because of all the other institutions that make america great and are frustrating the president eject's dictator aspirations, the banana republican party not withstanding.

When Romney said it at a debate against Obama in '12, the same leftist media practically laughed him off the stage.

It wasn't the "leftist media" it was the democrats. Obviously a nutjob can't distinguish between the two, but trust me.

And they were right to because at the time Russia wasn't so hyper about fucking with the US. Putin didn't start to go into overdrive until after he was 're-elected' in December of 2011 because he thought the protests against him were coordinated by Clinton.

It was only in 2014 that Putin really started to get his social-media-fuckery troll farms into gear.

The birther arguement was started by aides within the Hillary campaign in 2008.

(a) Not relevant, the FBI never investigated obama's birth certificate because only idiots cared
(b) false

It's the far right Christians who keep the war on drugs going.

Wait... Obama was a far right Christian?

You'd think given his eagerness to use a pen and a phone when he couldn't get his addenda passed legislatively, he would have done more to reduce the number of DEA raids of medical marijuana dispensaries in states where it was legal.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com...
http://www.sacbee.com/news/sta...
https://www.huffingtonpost.com...
https://www.politico.com/story...
http://www.sfgate.com/politics...

Take off your hate goggles for a bit and look around a bit more.

So, you utterly and completely fail to refute any arguments I made. "B-B-But Fox News!" does not excuse the New York Times and all of the other highly credible mainstream media outlets from publishing fake news.

CNN is further to the left than Fox is to the right, and it's less accurate, and the reason for that is pretty simple. Media liberals needn't interact with conservatives or take any notice of what they say. They literally cannot even tell you the other side's argument. That's not true of conservatives.

Also, if you get things wrong at Fox, you get called on it by dozens and dozens of liberal journalists. That's not true of anything but the most egregious errors of the NYT or CNN. The 5 percent of the media that leans conservative simply doesn't have the time to fact check the other 95 percent in the way that the other 95 percent checks it. It is, as a result, less accurate (except when checked by fellow left-leaning "fact checkers").

The national media really does work in a bubble, something that wasn't true as recently as 2008. And the bubble is growing more extreme. Concentrated heavily along the coasts, the bubble is both geographic and political. If you're a working journalist, odds aren't just that you work in a pro-Clinton county-odds are that you reside in one of the nation's most pro-Clinton counties.

Now that Donnie claimed it back.

The POTUS is certifiably demented.

True.

We need a President willing to allow Hezbollah to traffic in drugs and money in the US - all to not piss off the Iranian mullahs.

All to cement a legacy of giving fanatical, literally Medieval religious nuts nuclear weapons....

The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

An ambitious U.S. task force targeting Hezbollah's billion-dollar criminal enterprise ran headlong into the White House's desire for a nuclear deal with Iran.

In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, was launched in 2008 after the Drug Enforcement Administration amassed evidence that Hezbollah had transformed itself from a Middle East-focused military and political organization into an international crime syndicate that some investigators believed was collecting $1 billion a year from drug and weapons trafficking, money laundering and other criminal activities.

Over the next eight years, agents working out of a top-secret DEA facility in Chantilly, Virginia, used wiretaps, undercover operations and informants to map Hezbollah’s illicit networks, with the help of 30 U.S. and foreign security agencies.

...

But as Project Cassandra reached higher into the hierarchy of the conspiracy, Obama administration officials threw an increasingly insurmountable series of roadblocks in its way, according to interviews with dozens of participants who in many cases spoke for the first time about events shrouded in secrecy, and a review of government documents and court records. When Project Cassandra leaders sought approval for some significant investigations, prosecutions, arrests and financial sanctions, officials at the Justice and Treasury departments delayed, hindered or rejected their requests.

The Justice Department declined requests by Project Cassandra and other authorities to file criminal charges against major players such as Hezbollah’s high-profile envoy to Iran, a Lebanese bank that allegedly laundered billions in alleged drug profits, and a central player in a U.S.-based cell of the Iranian paramilitary Quds force. And the State Department rejected requests to lure high-value targets to countries where they could be arrested.

While they are at it, can they show me NSA, CIA, FBI, Plus every other propaganda agency of every other government. Why just single out the Russians.

It may take some time, but the role that at least some of them played (if any) will come out.

House Republicans quietly investigate perceived corruption at DOJ, FBI

Paul Calls For Investigation of Obama Officials: Collusion Against Trump Could Be 'Worse Than Watergate'

After it comes out there may be people going to jail ... and it probably won't be Trump's associates.

Indeed, more interesting things keep emerging with time . . .

The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

While we're waiting for all of the unpleasantness to be revealed perhaps you'd like to listen to some Maurice Chevalier, Édith Piaf , or Vera Lynn ?

It looks like the alternative, for women, is to be sexually harassed or to be semi-ostracized, the way you put it.

No, it is not, and you are possibly reading into what I say from the persepctive of your own narrative. Upon the first occasion of harassment, the woman needs to report it immediately first to HR, with a tacit understanding that law enforcement is next. My wife was the victim of some pretty egregious harassment, and rather than wait 20 years, she told me about it, and reported it to the owner the next morning. Reaction was swift, merciless, and very effective. She was never disbelieved, there was none of the meme of "Well, what were you wearing?" or "were you flirting with him?"

If your house was broken into and robbed, would you wait years to report it?

If someone stole your identity online would you allow it to go on for 25 years?

If someone rear-ended your car, would you wait to report it to your insurance company until decades later?

I don't for a second believe that women should accept sexual harassment at work, and would prefer you not accuse me of it. Avoid that, and I will avoid calling you a person who believes that innocent men who are destroyed is an acceptable situation because all men deserve being punished as a group. Let's be intellectually honest, David.

The problem is real, and you remain a part of it.

Actually, if you support waiting until the statute of limitations expires to report sexual harassment, you are a metric shiiutload more a part of the problem than I ever could be. Not that I go around cavilierly throwing around insults like what appears to fit your narrative. So anyhow, please tell me how my stand of immediate reportage and immediate justice is being a part oif the problem? Ever have a loved one be severely sexually harassed?

You are operating from a digital narrative where you either are a sexual harasser and support monsters like Trump and Moore, or you support every and all accuasations and suppoprt an end to the rule of law, because people like Ol Olsoc do not agree with your narrative.

For what I personally believe? I believe Moore is a pedophile and likes underage women who are past puberty but not yet able to give consent. I believe that Weinstien is a creepy pig who any normal woman would never consent to having sex with. I believe that the present occupant has a nasty issue as well, and the legal settlements would indicate that is true. But here's the rub, at least one of the women who accused Moore of getting her pregnant was making a false accusation. She was a political plant from Project Veritas, Run by conservative activist James O'Keefe. https://www.politico.com/story... The aim was to discredit the Washington Post by a false plant in order to discredit all of their Roy Moore reporting. That is the weaponized version of #metoo.

Ever spend time with Judges? They can tell you that people lie all the time, and the person's gender does not make that more or less likely. Men can lie, and women can lie. And that's why we have courts and judges. Because usually someone is lying. Maybe it's the man, maybe its the woman. Maybe some people care, maybe some don't care. Which are you?

Rather than be a part of the problem as you suggest, I am part of wanting truth to prevail. Judging from your wanting to paint me with a brush dipped in the paint of your narrative, it appears that you are not concerned with the truth at all. But there is a great way to ascertain truth, or at least get as close to it as can reasonably be hoped. The courts.

In these cases, a quick accusation has a lot more veracity than a 20 year wait. In my wife's case, the approach was simple. a little over 12 hours went by - Next morning... "This happened, and do we want to take care of it here and now, or do you want to contact your l

Democrats REALLY want the Federal Government to gain control of the Internet.

Net Neutrality is a backdoor to let their SJW insanity control the Internet.

I am not, nor have I ever been a Democrat. You need to stop spreading the word of Comcast, Verizon and AT&T, because that's where the money against net neutrality is coming from. Don't believe it, then believe the links below. This is all about lobbying money into the Republican party, much like the Democrats are beholden to trial lawyers and Hollywood.

https://www.opensecrets.org/ne...
https://www.politico.com/story...
https://www.theverge.com/2017/...

And how about the Russians?

Heh, they now have bigger rotten fish to bury.

Did you see the Politico articles about Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's (and many other top DNC leaders in Congress) IT guy th they all used was a Hezbollah money-laundering front guy. DWS and many top DNC leaders used this guy and his family as IT consultants when none of them had *any* IT experience whatsoever*. To top it off, they used a used-car dealership they laundered money through that they bought with a loan from a wealthy Hezbollah backer from Iran who is already wanted for terrorism and fraud related charges in the US.

There's a whole laundry-list of serious criminal charges pending against DWS's "IT guy" and his family, and they appear to have been neck-deep in some very, very bad shit, bank fraud being among the least of it.

https://www.politico.com/story...

https://www.politico.com/story...

https://www.politico.com/story...

The entire affair stinks like last week's fish.

Of course, the MSM is trying their best to ignore it and give DWS and the DNC cover hoping it will go away. Far too late for that, methinks.

This should be interesting.

And how about the Russians?

Heh, they now have bigger rotten fish to bury.

Did you see the Politico articles about Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's (and many other top DNC leaders in Congress) IT guy th they all used was a Hezbollah money-laundering front guy. DWS and many top DNC leaders used this guy and his family as IT consultants when none of them had *any* IT experience whatsoever*. To top it off, they used a used-car dealership they laundered money through that they bought with a loan from a wealthy Hezbollah backer from Iran who is already wanted for terrorism and fraud related charges in the US.

There's a whole laundry-list of serious criminal charges pending against DWS's "IT guy" and his family, and they appear to have been neck-deep in some very, very bad shit, bank fraud being among the least of it.

https://www.politico.com/story...

https://www.politico.com/story...

https://www.politico.com/story...

The entire affair stinks like last week's fish.

Of course, the MSM is trying their best to ignore it and give DWS and the DNC cover hoping it will go away. Far too late for that, methinks.

This should be interesting.

And how about the Russians?

Heh, they now have bigger rotten fish to bury.

Did you see the Politico articles about Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's (and many other top DNC leaders in Congress) IT guy th they all used was a Hezbollah money-laundering front guy. DWS and many top DNC leaders used this guy and his family as IT consultants when none of them had *any* IT experience whatsoever*. To top it off, they used a used-car dealership they laundered money through that they bought with a loan from a wealthy Hezbollah backer from Iran who is already wanted for terrorism and fraud related charges in the US.

There's a whole laundry-list of serious criminal charges pending against DWS's "IT guy" and his family, and they appear to have been neck-deep in some very, very bad shit, bank fraud being among the least of it.

https://www.politico.com/story...

https://www.politico.com/story...

https://www.politico.com/story...

The entire affair stinks like last week's fish.

Of course, the MSM is trying their best to ignore it and give DWS and the DNC cover hoping it will go away. Far too late for that, methinks.

This should be interesting.

Hell Donna Brazille was caught giving the Clinton camp debate questions before the debate from CNN. You get that? They all colluded.

It's interesting you mention that specific example. Clinton did get debate questions in advance but in the debate in question she wasn't debating against Trump - she was debating against Bernie Sanders and other candidates for the Democratic nomination. Trump then turned this into fake news and falsely claimed that Clinton had gotten the questions to the Clinton vs Trump debate in advance.

Which is why they all colluded with the DNC right? CNN politico washington post donna brazille handing debate questions to the clinton camp before a debate and on, and on and on and on.

Call me back when any of those networks gets caught colluding with the DNC

CNN politico Washington Post. That's all from the 2016 election cycle, they all colluded. So did all those other networks I listed, you can find them all right in the DNC email leaks. There's dozens on top of dozens of stories on major networks getting caught sending stories to the DNC to make sure the narrative was correct, directly publishing articles from the DNC. Hell Donna Brazille was caught giving the Clinton camp debate questions before the debate from CNN. You get that? They all colluded.

Or better yet, don't call me at all you nazi.

And the current state of the political left rears it's head. Anyone who dares to question the narrative = nazi. You truly are pathetic people.

The US government spends more per capita on healthcare than almost any other nation. Yes, the US government, excluding the private sector.

Per capita what? Per population? Per taxpayer? But what about in terms of healthcare received, or in terms of assessing the costs of healthcare?

Think about the difference. Then cite your sources. I'm sure you realize that hand-waved declarations of vague assertions are not especially persuasive when we know how easy it is to lie with statistics.

The problem with the US healthcare system isn't excessive stinginess by the government, it is excessive costs and excessive prices.

Indeed, among other things, it's lack of coverage. And bankruptcies.

Which isn't caused by the government being stingy, it's because the government isn't being thrifty enough by operating its own healthcare facilities. Oh wait, that's because the government is being made to be stingy under the false pretense of not providing its own healthcare facilities!

And the ACA did nothing to address excessive costs and prices (because drug companies, lawyers, and doctors tend to be big donors), instead it simply tried to force Americans to pay those excessive prices in perpetuity, which ensures that this will never get fixed.

Yes, it didn't have a public health insurance provision, let alone a healthcare provision, but we knew this at the time.

Do you not have any actual recall of the situation?

However, you forget the specific subsidies that did reduce the costs for the poor.

That some of us would have preferred hiring more doctors and providing better medical care directly, well, we didn't get a vote on that, now did we?

So if the money allocated to the border wall is unused, it does not go to healthcare

And by "healthcare", you mean the yachts and estates of wealthy doctors, insurance company executives, and pharmaceutical companies.

Now now, we're told "trickledown> " is essential by the GOP. It's their tax-plan now.

Sorry man, you've got less than you think.

But hey, at least you can get your pills.

Look, you know what's happening is due to the GOP, they're the party that's responsible now. And they're going to do their best job...of filling their own pockets. And baking

The state, which most actively opposed — and continues to oppose — Trump, is getting the punishment even while the nation as a whole is prospering.

It's like that schmuck in Australia who told the young uns the could afford a house in Sydney if only they'd give up avocado toast. It's nonsense the aristocracy tells it's workers to excuse stagnant and falling wages. Don't fall for it.

Or, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) who reportedly said in a November 29 interview:

“I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing,” Grassley said, “as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”

Or, another Republican congressman justified a vote on ACA repeal by saying Americans would be able to afford health security, without assistance, by giving up “getting that new iPhone.”

It's nice when rich people who had rich parents give us common folk advise on how to pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps - you know, like they did. (I'm sure Trump would have turned out the same without that first $1M loan and subsequent $14M loan from his father.)

Yeah, the Democrats basically outsourced their IT to a family of scam artists who were incompetent and probably blackmailing them.

Still that was the Democrats in Congress. The Clinton campaign had a completely separate set of IT people who were dumb enough to not realise that a Google email containing a link to a bit.ly page that goes to myaccount.google.com-securitysettingspage.tk is a scam. My parents would have spotted that! You'd think the front runner for POTUS in the US would have ex NSA types working in IT who'd realise that a spearphishing attack on key personnel was almost a certainty.

But then HRC always seemed to do everything in a half assed way, like that email server in the basement of Clinton's house in Chappaqua instead of in a data centre or the campaign headquartes

I mean I get the purpose was to be able to delete emails if they in case they were subject to a subpoena, but it still seems like a really amateurish way to do things. The problem is once you start segregating your campaign's IT from the Establishment's infrastructure and legal reach, you also don't have Establishment people warning you about things like spearphishing attacks.

So ironically an obsession with keeping HRC emails out of the hands of anyone but campaign insiders caused Podesta's to end up on Wikileaks. Then again maybe stopping them get subpoenaed might have kept her from prosecution or impeachment an alternative scenario. I'm not convinced though - I think she got away with the destruction of evidence because she lost the election and Trump quietly dropped his 'lock her up' rhetoric. If she'd have won, people like Trey Gowdy would have got her over that.

Does anybody else find it fucking hilarious when the left claims "But but but Trump is corrupt!" while Shillary was allowed to literally buy the DNC which in turn allowed her to buy the superdelegates which made the democratic primary about as fair as a game of three card monty run by a street hustler in a NYC back alley?

Say what you want but at least people in the Rep primaries had a CHOICE and chose to vote for Trump, we now know that 100% of the people could have voted for Bernie and he still would have lost, the entire Dem primary was as fixed as pro wrestling before the first vote was even cast.

Back in 2010 or so Colorado Springs turned off 1/3 of their streetlights to save money.

People started stealing the wire.

https://www.politico.com/magaz...

Take the streetlights. Turning them off had saved the city about $1.25 million. What had not made the national news stories was what had happened while those lights were off. Copper thieves, emboldened by the opportunity to work without fear of electrocution, had worked overtime scavenging wire. Some, the City Council learned, had even dressed up as utility workers and pried open the boxes at the base of streetlights in broad daylight. Keeping the lights off might have saved some money in the short term, but the cost to fix what had been stolen ran to some $5 million.

Actually the National Review is pretty much the in house journal of Never Trump Republicans.

https://www.politico.com/story...

Still that doesn't make the law they cite any less real.

Wow, you are deluded, where to begin? We have John McCain visiting the so called Free Syrian Army in 2013, John Kerry admitting on record that least a 1/5th of those we armed were "not good guys", you have laughable programs where the military spends millions of dollars training dozens of resistance fighters in the vague hope that they won't just take the weapons and run, you have the CIA rat line moving weapons in from Benghazi, Lybia (read Seymour Hersh's piece about it), you have intelligence on ISIS targets being altered on their way up the chain so that we kill social media goons rather than actual leaders.. and then you have General Wesley Clark's "prediction" of our syrian involvement after 9/11. I could go on and on.

The idea that we are there for humanitarian purposes is absurd. Our more recent involvement had to do with a pipeline for Qatar to move oil to europe. And that's according to RFK Jr. :

https://www.politico.com/magaz...

It's funny how US government and corporate shills pretty much announce their presence on here nowadays. Thanks for that courtesy.

US debt to GDP is already at over 100%

https://tradingeconomics.com/u...

It's forecast to stay there

https://tradingeconomics.com/u...

Now going from $19 Trillion and 100% of GDP to $51 Trillion and presumably over 200% of GDP doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

And that's from one policy. Most people think the forecast is hopelessly optimistic and if you're willing to add $32 trillion to the debt over one policy to buy votes, what's to stop you adding another one?

It's disastrous. And up until the last election most Democrats knew it. Hillary still does

http://www.businessinsider.com...

In an interview published Wednesday, Ezra Klein of Vox asked Clinton, who defeated Sanders to become the Democratic presidential nominee in 2016, what she thought of the independent Vermont senator's Medicare-for-all plan, which he is set to release later Wednesday.

"Well, I don't know what the particulars are," Clinton said. "As you might remember, during the campaign he introduced a single-payer bill every year he was in Congress - and when somebody finally read it, he couldn't explain it and couldn't really tell people how much it was going to cost."

Clinton also highlighted what she saw as potential flaws in selling such a plan: special interests and public sentiment.

"When I was working on healthcare back in in '93 and '94, I said if we could've waved the magic wand and started all over, maybe we would start with something resembling single-payer plus other payers, like other countries that have universal coverage and are much better at controlling costs than we do, primarily in Europe," Clinton said. "But we were facing the reality of not just strong, powerful forces but people's own fears as well as their appreciation for what they already had."

As an example, Clinton cited the difficulties with the attempt at single-payer in Sanders' home state of Vermont, saying it was "difficult to out the pieces together."

In Vermont Single Payer For All failed

https://www.politico.com/story...

I bet the Democrats end up supporting it though and wheeling out Jimmy Kimmel to cry that anyone who opposes it wants kids like his to die.