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I'd like the performance boost, but the price better come down, since I need a lot of memory.


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I'd like the performance boost, but the price better come down, since I need a lot of memory.


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Anyone know what the difference will be goin from SDRAM to RDRAM? I couldnt find anything on pricewatch, but then again, I know very little about all these new fangled memory technologies comming out. :)

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[Re: CD-RW] media is kind of expensive Maybe in 1997 what you said was correct, but here in the year 2000 you've got it completely backwards. CD-RW media is cheaper than Zip media, by a long shot.

A simple pricewatch check shows that 6 dollars gets you either one 100MB zip disk, or ten 650MB CD-RW discs. In price per-megabyte terms, CD-RW media beats the heck out of Zip media.

Your assumption that CD-RW drives are expensive is a false one. You can get internal CD-RW drives for as little $94 (+S&H) nowdays, which seems relatively close to your target price. (As with most components, buying the rock-bottom cheapest isn't necessarily a good idea, but hey, if that's what you can afford, that's what you get.) And media costs have dropped dramatically too, with CD-RW disks being basically $1 a piece for 650 MB capacity. For low-end prices, check out Pricewatch (no affiliation).

There is another slightly older alternative, the ZIP drive. OEM internal drives are as little as $34 +S&H at pricewatch, with media costs running ~$5-10. There are three significant problems with this approach: 1) reliability, 2) single source issues, and 3) obsolescence. In my experience, ZIP drives are not particularly reliable. There's a fairly well-known phenomena called the "Click of Death" (do a google.com search to find out more) that plagued drives during one period (my sister's ZIP drive had this) and there was a huge class action lawsuit against the ZIP maker Iomega. Second, the ZIP drive standard is essentially owned by one company, Iomega, so your ability to switch to alternatives is limited if you run into problems or if Iomega jacks up prices and gives up competing on the merits to optimize their profitability (as they should). With CD-RW you have a variety of drive manufacturers competing voraciously for marketshare and prices will continue to drop substantially. And third, ZIP is a standard on its way out. People used it when CD-RW drives were $300+, but with CD-RW drives now under $100, the alternative fits a much broader set of consumer needs. ZIP media has smaller capacity and is less versatile: you can't just take it to any student or faculty or employer's PC unless they too buy a ZIP drive. Every computer is built with at least a CD-ROM reading device... the power of network effects is all on the side of CD-R(W).

There are two basic uses of removable media: 1) moving files between PCs and 2) backing up your PC. For a drive standard to be widely adopted you have to meet both of those reasonably well. Backing up a 10 GB drive with a 100 MB ZIP is obviously a return to the problems of swapping floppies and is one reason CD-RW is picking up steam over ZIP. The other is the rising interest of people in 3) making audio CDs, something that CD-RW has made very popular with the teenage and college crowd as well as the mainstream public. Wannabe successors to the CD-RW drive (cough, DVD, cough) ignore consumers' interest in doing so at their peril.

Buying ZIP and trying to get 20,000 students to go along with your choice would be penny wise and pound foolish. You'd end up having to support the ZIP standard for the next 15 years when its already on its way out and has about 5 more years of life left. (Insert wild hand waving gestures here... ;) We may never have something as completely ubiquitous as the floppy was. But with steadily dropping prices, the CD-RW drive is coming increasingly close. ZIP won't be the next floppy. CD-RW will.

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Okay dude, I know this sounds weird but SCSI would not only be faster, but probably cheaper. Most SCSI drives (of even two generations back) can do easily 10MBps+ (80Mbps+), whereas even USB's fastest speed, we're talking only 1.5MBps (12Mbps). And don't even think of those IDE to parallel kits, 2MBps (16Mbps) max (most don't get get 1MBps/8Mbps). Plus SCSI support under Linux is easy (and even loadable on the fly!).

Cards, case and cabling should run you under $100 for two systems. The a good sized, but older model, SCSI drive should only be another $30-100 for a decent size (2-23GB) and speed (5400-7200rpm, 512-2048KB buffer). The breakdown:

• Cards ($20/each) -- (2) SCSI cards at about $20 a piece thanx to the TekRam-315U (UltraSCSI, no-BIOS). You can find them at your favorite PriceWatch advertising reseller. You'll need more if you have more than a few systems to swap between. Of course this becomes cost prohibitive if its more than 5 systems, so consider that. But for just 2-4 systems, it's great (and, again, fast)!
• Case ($20) -- You can usually find them at various on-line resellers for $20 or so. Here's a great 2-bay w/40W PS for $19, and that's new. If you want smaller, there are various resellers with single bay SCSI enclosures too. Cyberguys has a 3.5" for $50, although you might find cheaper if you look a bit. The case should come with internal cabling (I've never seen one without).
• External Cabling ($10) -- Cabling is also an addition, but fairly cheap anymore. Assuming you set the drive jumper for termination, you only need the cable. You can get the SCSI-2 HD50M to Centronics 50M for $9 for cases with Centronics connectors, or SCSI-2 HD50M to HD50M for $10 for cases with SCSI-2 HD connectors -- both at Cyberguys. If you really want to not terminate the drive itself, but on the case, HD50M active terminators are $11 and Centronics passive terminators are $5
• Hard Disk ($30+) -- Depending on what model you get, older SCSI hard drives can be had for $30-100. If you want massive or fast, $200-300 will get you give a bit of each. Some resellers that carry new, unused, used and refurbished hard drives:
  • Computer Geeks Outlet -- good personal experiences
  • Hi-Tech Cafe -- don't deal with their web site (sux, lose orders), call them instead
  • Com puter Surplus Outlet -- good dealings with them several times

Drives that are 50-pin narrow (Fast, Ultra, Ultra2, etc...) and will work in the case without modification. Some with be 68-pin wide or 80-pin SCA (FastWide, UltraWide, Ultra2Wide/Ultra80, Ultra160). In the case of the two later, Cyberguys sells converters to 50-pin narrow for nearly all of these connectors. The only caveat you'll have is termination, either terminate on the drive itself (i.e. don't use an external terminator) or tell the drive to use 8-bit SCSI (instead of 16-bit in 68/80-pin) as any external terminator for 50-pin will only terminate the lower 8-bits (some drives will autosense the connection as narrow and will autoterminate anyway -- see the drive docs).

Again, the only reason not to go with this config is if you are going to be sharing with more than just a few systems. You're going to be lugging around a drive anyway, why not forget worrying about carrying the media as well and have 50x the storage (compared to Zip -- much more manageable).

If you absolutely need removable and have the money to burn look at SCSI Jaz instead (2GB capacity, ~5MBps/40Mbps performance). But don't go optical, e.g. 5.2/9.4GB DVD-RAM, it's slow (9x CD, 1x DVD = 1.35MBps/10.5Mbps).

-- Bryan "TheBS" Smith

You can get get these lots of places... try pricewatch.com -- but before you purchase try to track down the make and model to see if it does indeed support Caller ID. And get a phone-line surge protector ;)

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I don't think all in one boxes are good because not everyone likes the same things... who wants a Packard Bell?

Right now I see an ad for the Panasonic Showstopper at Thinkgeek (its just a replay tv box)... and the thing that strikes me most is that its *UGLY*... A friend of mine who is in Industrial Design at the University of Cincinnati told me that Americans just love their grey/black boxes... going into Circuit City is funny, 'cause from a distance you don't know what the hell is what. They all look the same!

I think we need a nice modular creative design. Multiple companies should make units that have features that fit together with some sort of standard ethernet or firewire connects.

Add a DVD
Add a VCR
Add a TIVO
Add CallerID
Add an Email Box
Add a Linux box!

USB, FireWire, and Jini promised us modular things, and besides VCR/TV and Stereos, we don't have much modularity. I would like to see a big name come up with a whole line of designer, modular, entertainment devices. Paint 'em red white and blue or something to get us to like them! Hell I don't know.

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per PriceWatch.com

the current price on:
AMD Athlon 1GHz 3DNow @ $415
AMD Thunderbird 1.1GHz @ $645
AMD Thunderbird 1GHz @ $406

This compares with Intel's:
Pentium III 1GHz @ $699

If the prices drop any lower, I definatly know which processor company I'll be using next. I just hope that we'll see Dual-Processor configurations soon.

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Looking at the actual speed of the CPU in benchmarks, you should be comparing to a 1 GHz Pentium III. According real world test, the 500 MHz G4 should be compared to a much higher MHz PC counterparts.

Intel Pentium III 1 GHz, $750 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2448-1.htm

AMD Athlon 1 GHz, $445 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2219-1.htm

Looking at the actual speed of the CPU in benchmarks, you should be comparing to a 1 GHz Pentium III. According real world test, the 500 MHz G4 should be compared to a much higher MHz PC counterparts.

Intel Pentium III 1 GHz, $750 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2448-1.htm

AMD Athlon 1 GHz, $445 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2219-1.htm

While it's great that Motorola is offering chips, I'm not sure about the prices. The more the merrier. In the mean time, you can get these:

AMD K6-2 500MHz, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1946-1.htm

AMD Durron 600, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2471-1.htm

AMD Athalon 500, $65 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1920-1.htm

Intel Celeron 500, $78 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1940-1.htm

Intel Pentium III 500, $111 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1687-1.htm

I don't know a thing about the price of moto motherboards.

While it's great that Motorola is offering chips, I'm not sure about the prices. The more the merrier. In the mean time, you can get these:

AMD K6-2 500MHz, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1946-1.htm

AMD Durron 600, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2471-1.htm

AMD Athalon 500, $65 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1920-1.htm

Intel Celeron 500, $78 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1940-1.htm

Intel Pentium III 500, $111 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1687-1.htm

I don't know a thing about the price of moto motherboards.

While it's great that Motorola is offering chips, I'm not sure about the prices. The more the merrier. In the mean time, you can get these:

AMD K6-2 500MHz, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1946-1.htm

AMD Durron 600, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2471-1.htm

AMD Athalon 500, $65 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1920-1.htm

Intel Celeron 500, $78 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1940-1.htm

Intel Pentium III 500, $111 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1687-1.htm

I don't know a thing about the price of moto motherboards.

While it's great that Motorola is offering chips, I'm not sure about the prices. The more the merrier. In the mean time, you can get these:

AMD K6-2 500MHz, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1946-1.htm

AMD Durron 600, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2471-1.htm

AMD Athalon 500, $65 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1920-1.htm

Intel Celeron 500, $78 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1940-1.htm

Intel Pentium III 500, $111 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1687-1.htm

I don't know a thing about the price of moto motherboards.

While it's great that Motorola is offering chips, I'm not sure about the prices. The more the merrier. In the mean time, you can get these:

AMD K6-2 500MHz, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1946-1.htm

AMD Durron 600, $46 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2471-1.htm

AMD Athalon 500, $65 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1920-1.htm

Intel Celeron 500, $78 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1940-1.htm

Intel Pentium III 500, $111 http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/1687-1.htm

I don't know a thing about the price of moto motherboards.

Not sure if this would work, but there are MUCH, MUCH cheaper CD-ROM changers out there that could be options.
I know that about 5 years ago, NEC had a 6- or 7-disc SCSI unit that used multiple LUNs, giving each tray its own device (or drive letter in windoze - that's all I used it with then on a work system). You could then write a basic script that rip/enc'ed the 7 discs, after which you could replace them. (Unfortunately, I can't remember if you can replace CD's while one is being accessed.)
It's not quite as fancy, but 5 years ago, this toy was only about $350. A quick check at Pricewatch in the "CD-ROM | Changers" section lists some as low as $45, but most around $200 or so. (The $45 one is probably junk or a misprint.)
On a related note, I ripped about 1000 cd's (all my own...) to an mp3 server, and it took a while, but was not unmanageable with Grip - I highly recommend it!! (CDDB/rip/enc/ID3, etc.) Good luck!!

If you do a search on Pricewatch for "Book PC" (use the space!), they are for sale from Directron for $152 (with CD vice DVD tho). I have one, and have built about 3 or 4 others, and they are neat little machines. The S-Video output is great quality (even at 800x600), and adding a wireless kb/mouse makes it complete.... DVD models are around $90 more, but they say you can drop any DVD drive into it. A friend has had mixed luck on that front.
Definitely something to check out!!!

Very interesting post. But how come Buy.com and BarnesandNoble.com haven't taken advantage of this latest uproar of an Amazon policy. If I was ecommerce director of either competitor, I would have links to the CNet article on the front page of my website. Not only that, but price comparision search engines (PriceScan MySimon PriceWatch DealTime Shopper) should be having a field day with this!

Perhaps Buy and Barnes & Noble are conducting the SAME experiment but at a more discreet level?!?!

$269??? Man, they should have just designed a plugin for an external HD! 10gig external HD with USB, $164!!! Sheesh, do they THINK we are fools?

Or, they could notice that you buy a lot of Anime DVDs and *gasp* lower the price by a buck or two to get your valuable business. Why must we always assume the worst about everything?

I tend not to do real-time price shopping on items like this: I looked at a dozen online stores when I started purchasing, and I settled on the one that had the features & prices I want. But 2 months later they could jack the prices and it would be months before I noticed.

That's one of the worst ways to shop online I've ever heard of. First, decide on what you want. Then, find the lowest price from a reputable dealer and buy it there. Try this: pricewatch.com
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Yet more reason to get the best price information and that layer of anonymity provided by those comparative shopping engines:

Pricewatch
My Simon
CNet Shopper

So you would go out of your way to spend $200 extra for a card that performs WORSE just because you *think* that their lawsuit is frivolus upon first sight?

$200 extra??? More like $47 less (or $13 more, compared to the 32 MB one), tho you are right in that it performs not as good.

Methinks you are thinking of the unreleased V6000. According to Pricewatch a V5500 w/64 MB can be had for $248. GTS w/64 costs upwards of $295, while a 32 MB GTS can be had for $235.

And yes, I will indeed hear their side of the matter before deciding. I merely said I would consider not getting a NVidia card.

Sounds "broad" to you now?

Funny, I cant remember using the term "broad" at all in my post.

I'm all for competition, but when that competition starts stealing ideas from you, you should definitely have a right to recoup.

This has nothing to do with "stealing" ideas, which cant be done anyway. But patents grant you an exclusive right to any particular thing, even if your competitor came up with the idea independently, or even before you. Who is first to the patent office is the only thing that matters.

But what pisses me off the most with regard to this is that NVidia already has a very firm grip on the market - there was no need for such dirty tactics!

/Dervak

So Linus, what are we doing tonight?

Not quite 800 dollars (Current RDRAM prices) ,but still expensive.

Chip prices are almost always given in batches of 1000 (smallest amount a reseller can buy from amd). However, because of the heavy competition (Pricewatch), and because bigger oem's pay even less, within a couple weeks of a price drop, consumer prices are usually either very close or slightly below that number.

Walter H. Trent "Muad'Dib"
Padishah Emperor of the Known Universe, IMHO

A quick search on Pricewatch:

AMD K6-2 550: $76
AMD K6-2 533: $66
AMD K6-2 450: $57

Intel Celeron 566: $98
Intel Celeron 533 PPGA: $92
Intel Celeron 500 PPGA: $91
Intel Celeron 466 PPGA: $82
Intel Celeron 433 PPGA: $75


And actually, the prices of the K6-2 chips have gone up in the past 3 monthes (I think because they stopped making them). I got a K6-2 500 in May for $42 +S&H.

But my point is to get equal price to a K6-2 550, you need to drop down to a Celeron 433. Now for the overclocked, that's probably not a big deal. Also for the power hungry, K6-2 is a joke. But if you're looking to make a very cheap system, K6-2 is probably your best choice. Makes a great linux/FreeBSD server.

Or would this still apply to online purchases, even if the manufacturers are across the border?

If not, I'll make this deal. Canadians, I will give you cheaper media. You give me a 3.5-gallon-per-flush toilet.

This is just marketing hype from Intel. Their 1GHz Pentium III is being outshipped by the 1GHz Athlon by a factor of 12 to 1. You can't even find a 1GHz Pentium listing on the Pricewatch CPU page, let alone compare prices.

Given how much Intel has been suffering from their decision to go with Rambus (see this article from Tom's Hardware), you can see why they feel the need to brag about something.

Can you say FAST????
Not really.

It's 5400 RPM for Christ's sake! Maxtor is more or less admitting that the drive isn't fast enough by releasing the DiamondMax Plus 45, a smaller 7200rpm drive. StorageReview has a nice take on Maxtor's new releases.

Barring spectacular performance from the DiamondMax Plus 45, the IBM Deskstar 75gxp (available in sizes up to 75gb) is still the king of IDE drives. The 75gxp has some very impressive specs, does well in every benchmark thrown at it, and has some insanely low street prices.

We can't trust this press release either; it lacks key details about price, speed, and availability. Don't expect to see any of those three drives soon and don't expect them to be anything worth writing home about.

In the end, we have one drive from Maxtor that might match the 75gxp for speed, and it's only 45gb. The DiamondMax 80 is a joke, a measely extra 5gb for a far inferior drive.

Want insanely fast IDE RAID? Get a couple of 75gxp drives now for less money.

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That is still cheaper than a 1.5GB DIMM.

If you really need to go that high, hit pricewatch and find 3 512MB DIMMS for $550-$600.. This is certainly cheaper at $1800 than $4000 as a BTO option.

You can buy double sided DVD rewritables for $19.

On metabrowsing in general-- I feel that a lot of these sites are out for the easy advertising revenue opportunity and have a "take it all and make it ours" type attitude. While these activities are good for the small guy, the industry leaders takes the shaft. However, usually the leader has the advantage of having more products, so the losses are somewhat less severe.

I think the core issue here is requiring that these meta-sites request permission of the companies they select. Or better yet, build a brand and a strategy, and make the companies want to participate. This does work: Pricewatch is a great example. And it's tough to even compete there if you aren't the best price, but companies participate because they know that being on Pricewatch is guaranteed exposure.

Needless to say, you can't go taking bottles of Heinz and Hunt's ketchup and repackage it as MetaKetchup. We need a degree of control, but obviously we want something that won't end up giving up our right to information.

*gel

Ok, the motherboard I can understand, but why would you swap out your case? Damn near everyone uses ATX now.

I guess I'm not "everyone"...my fastest box is in a full-tower AT case. (It's a 450-MHz K6-III with 256 megs of PC133 SDRAM on an FIC VA-503+. (No, the motherboard I have now doesn't take full advantage of the memory speed...I only bought the memory a few months ago with the intent to move it to some kind of K7 box.)) ATX cases used to cost substantially more than AT cases, which is why I've stuck with AT cases for so long. Now that you can get ATX cases for about what AT cases used to cost, it's not as big a hassle. (Also, I don't think anybody is making any AT cases anymore, and I've not heard of any Slot/Socket A AT motherboards.)

With all that said, the specs on Abit's new board look pretty sweet. Six PCI slots, an ISA slot, and no AMR header to waste space that'd be better occupied by a PCI or ISA slot. (Epox also has an AMR-free K7 board (the EP-8KTA) that comes close, but includes on-board audio (isn't the on-board audio on VIA-chipset motherboards kinda difficult to get running under Linux? I'll stick with my Ensoniq AudioPCI...).) The KT7 hasn't found its way to the Price Watch vendors, though...yet.

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Unfortunately, he has a controllerless/software 'winmodem', so replacing it has become a priority.

Looking into it, I was surprised that there are some decient PCI hardware modems now -- not just the winmodem crap.

The one getting the most discussion on Usenet is the Actiontech Call Waiting modem. One simple reason is that they have 6 pages of documentation for Windows setup...and 6 pages of documentation for Linux setup!

They're not just putting a Linux sticker on the box, they back it up. It's cheap for a hardware modem (~$70-80 before rebates), and is available in most stores and over the Internet.

Now, having said that, they do make controlerless modems, so make sure you get the right one.

Multitech, USR, Zoom, IBM, GVC, and a few other companies make PCI hardware modems that work with Linux, but it looks like they aren't promoting or supporting the Linux compatable hardware as much. (Corrections appreciated!)

Before getting zapped on a PCI modem, take a look at the detailed Winmodems are not modems page.

If I can get a genuine Athlon 700 for ~$150 now, why would I want to buy a Duron? Not a winner on performance; not a winner on price; not a winner, period. Pity.

You are compairing list price vs. street price. Price Watch has them listed at $89 (600Mhz) and $159 (700Mhz). I expect the prices will be lower when the get released for real.

Well, ok. I can get a thunderbird for ~$188. Still beats $192, other things being equal.

I was about to make a comment along the lines of "but how good a vendor is that particular Pricewatch lowballer," but they didn't fare too badly on ResellerRatings.com. OTOH, there hasn't been a particularly large amount of feedback about that firm yet. In any case, going with whoever has the lowest price on Pricewatch can be a recipe for trouble if you're not careful.

(No, I don't work for ResellerRatings...or Pricewatch, for that matter. I'd recommend using the two sites in combination, though...it's better to pay a little more to deal with a reputable company than to get fleeced by a lowballer.)

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> Another was the AGP incompatibility. Many people had random lockup problems using an AGP card with an AMD. Again, maybe it got fixed by now, but it proves the point.

Some motherboards for the AMD did not provide enough power to the AGP slot for some of the hot new video cards. For instance, I burned up a Voodoo 3 and a FIC PA-2013 trying to get them to work together. (Later revs of the FIC do support the V3.)

The only solution for this is to do a bit of research before you buy. (I'm learning...)

> So considering that the days of the significant price advantage of the AMD are pretty much gone

You don't spend much time hanging around pricewatch.com, do you?

To pick a random example, I just looked at the Athlon 800 and the PIII 800. Best prices currently listed were $312 and $536, respectively.


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Well, ok. I can get a thunderbird for ~$188. Still beats $192, other things being equal.

And as for it not being a winner on price, on PriceWatch a Celeron 700 is about $50-70 more than a Duron 700. It sure looks like a winner to me.

I was comparing Athlons to Durons, not celerons. You are right, of course; unless you want to play UT, the order of price/perf at a given mhz would be athlon/duron/celeron/p3. My point is that it is cheaper to buy a 700 mhz athlon than a 700 mhz duron, and therefore the price that AMD thinks they are going to get for their chips does not match what they are going to get in reality.

Rev Neh

You can't really compare the prices of a Duron 700 to an Athlon 700, because all 700MHz and below Athlons are not Thunderbirds (the newer Athlons with 256KB of on-die L2). The non-Thunderbirds are being phased out. BTW, according to PriceWatch, a Celeron 700 and PIII 700 are about the same in price aswell.

Not a winner on performance; not a winner on price; not a winner, period. Pity.

I just looked at AnandTech's Duron review, and on their benchmarks the Duron was far faster than the Celeron; IIRC, a Duron 700 beat a Celeron 850 in Quake3.

And as for it not being a winner on price, on PriceWatch a Celeron 700 is about $50-70 more than a Duron 700. It sure looks like a winner to me.

From the AMD press release:

The 700MHz, 650MHz, and 600MHz AMD Duron processors are priced at $192, $154, and $112, respectively, each in 1,000-unit quantities.

If I can get a genuine Athlon 700 for ~$150 now, why would I want to buy a Duron? Not a winner on performance; not a winner on price; not a winner, period. Pity.

Rev Neh

When have IBM -- or Toshiba, Compaq -- laptops been cheap? A specialized, name-brand, and (usually) quality item will have a comparitively high cost, though there's www.pricewatch.com to keep the resellers honest.

Better to get the story from the horses mouth:
Intel's press release

Also interesting, someone on Pricewatch claims to be selling 800mhz PIII Xeons for only $814, so why bother with a wimpy 700mhz for $1,177+?

-Tommy

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Better to get the story from the horses mouth:
Intel's press release

Also interesting, someone on Pricewatch claims to be selling 800mhz PIII Xeons for only $814, so why bother with a wimpy 700mhz for $1,177+?

-Tommy

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The 1GHz is still expensive, but the 950MHz can be had for as low as $748, and the 900MHz for $612. Athlon 950MHz at Pricewatch Plus if you wait a few weeks (maybe less), AMD will announce the Spitfire and Thunderbird which are both considerably faster than the Athlon, and will push prices even further down.

they sold out wholesale. consumers can still buy em..its not sold out retail yet and probably wont for a while. get em while they last. im still waiting for SMP tho. 1GHz dual K7's would really rock.

I have had this camera for a while right now. If you are looking for very high quality pictures, this is the one to buy right now. I think that the price dropped down a lot since I bought it (a year ago): it should be around $500 if you go to PriceWatch. The only thing I can say about it is that it is EX-CEL-LENT.

(And here's a link to a search on Pricewatch too...)