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Next we have a witness who saw a millitary helicopter, from the far side of the building, and it went towards the helipad near the crash site just before the fireball. Only one witness (as far as I know) but its not like you could confuse a plane with a helicopter all that easily and it was coming from the far (hidden from freeway) side. Relevance? unsure. possibility given later

Next we have millitary trained personal claiming to have smelled cordite (explosives), witnesses who claimed the airoplane blew up before impact, witnesses who saw a missile, and a damage pattern more consistant with a combination missile/explosives strike than a plane crash. We also have a video showing:

- no recognizable airplane: the one frame that shows a small white thing doesnt look like a jumbo jet to me (but could be...maybe): wrong size/shape/thickness but its hard to tell. It looks like a missile to me though.
- Fireball is COMPLETELY wrong for a jet crash... isn't it? am I the only one noticing this? a jet traveling at 500 miles per hour flies smack into a building and the resulting fireball looks perfectly symetrical around a vertical center line? not splayed out as I would expect? can someone explain this cos I cant see it
- some people have raised doubts about its authenticity: to do with shadows, lighting, what looks like editing of the colours in one frame (talking about older release here). Me- I think its probably mostly real, but question what it shows, and REALLY would like to know if there is no conspiracy, then why has the other footage not been released, and why did this take so long?

My theory? there was a plane (remote controlled, maybe the original, maybe not) and it was somehow exploded before impact (perhaps the helicopter shot missiles at it? I doubt they would be powerful enough but dont know, or it already had explosives on board, or the anti arcraft missile battery actuallly worked but they havent told us). or maybe overflew the building and kept out of view (Im doubtful of this one, but otheriwse where is all the wreckage?) I think there was a missile involved (either in blowing up the plane before impact or causing some of the damage- wintesses saw it) I'm a bit thrown off by the fireball. It doesnt fit with what I imagine should have happened in a pure plane crash (why symmetrical?) but also cordite is almost smokeless and flashless and so couldnt have caused it. there is the strangely almost perfect edge of the hole supposedly knocked out by part of the airplane (it seems looking at that website that that may have just been a mistake and it was really an access hole made for emergency workers: makes more sense)

ok so what are we left with? confusion. And I think thats likely one of the main purposes of the attack at the pentagon: confusion and misdirection. Get conspiracy theorists confused and making up wild speculation, including the speculation that there wasn't a plane, and most people will just assume they are nuts, cos 40 people saw the plane. maybe the people involved werent sure they could count on the plane not getting shot down at the last minute (eg by the aa missiles), so set up explosives just in case? this particular conspiracy is generally thought NOT to have deeply involved the military in the planning and execution, with the bush administration, CIA and others involved probably relying on confusion due to the wargames and key personel who were in on it to dupe the millitary into letting it happen, which also explains flight 93 getting shot down (not everyone went along with it...)

Just as the subject is written, do you?

Your concern to genetically-modified (and patented) varieties of crop is a legitimate concern -- intellectual property can travel by wind and "taint" a neighbors substrate, causing a tournament for the forced subjection to a foreign private law. Recently as of February of 2006, CONGRESS was receiving a Bill from that HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES as H.R. 4167, the "National Uniformity for Food Act." Despite the misleading title of the Bill, among the content was that whomever bought any food were not allowed to know of certain ingredients or qualities on its nature.

How this all sets is, as of recently, it is a known fact that "Aspartame" causes cancer; its an artificial sweetener in many beverages, mostly in them branded as diet drinks. Another recent discovery is at microwave-popcorn factories, where everyone working among the "artificial butter flavoring" had all caught severe allergies and atrocious lung cancers. It was such a dangerous cancer that the remedy for one worker was a lung transplant! The chemical that caused the damage is "Diacetyl" and also is used in various brew of beer and who knows what else.

That Bill would allow those corporations to simply use any ingredient, method, or application of artifice to provide an incomplete and misleading report to the Contents of all packages lading the product assembled of them. It's no different than postal fraud, when someone intentionally mis-presents the contents of a parcel, where harm can be incurred by the worker that moves said parcel (even from grocery store to their domicile and house). I don't drink diet beverages, but I know some people that do. Nearby me is a box of microwave-popcorn, where on the Contents is no list for the ingredients of the artificial "light butter"; there is information on oiled popcorn kernels, but nothing on the butte flavoring -- into the trash it will all go.

If there ever was false advertising for a product, the above Bill would only try to seal someone's prior and future effort at fraud; brought from the end of genetically-engineered and patent crap and into the lives of people.

References are...
thomas.log.gov (Four versions of 4167 to this hour)
MSDS for butanedione
DRAYMANS.COM on Diacetyl
Ambulance-chasing lawyers
RENSE.COM on the Bill(a conspiracy theorist/fact never hurt anyone to prove)

oh no! I found this PrionPlanet.com article, therefore there shouldn't be anything to worry about this Bill or aritificial butter flavouring. Keep grazing the grocery aisles, and take your monthly shots (money-pill/vaccine shots)

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse". The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building's steel core to "soften and buckle"(5). Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C". To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above 1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I?m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this st

1. If the jets were nothing more than escaping air, how is it that they were filled with dust and smoke, despite the inconvenient fact that there was no damage whatsoever on those lower floors? Where could that smoke and dust have come from?
2. How is it that the jets were so regular in appearance, some even visible from two sides of the tower simultaneously? If this was just pressurized gas finding a way out, as you assert, once it had blown one window, the pressure would decrease, pr

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77," president Tom Fitton said.

"It is odd that this image hits our senses as the debate over our freedoms hits the headlines."

Yes, we agree on many points. And I'm glad we managed to keep this civil. The points we disagree on are rather big though:

I do not believe that the death of tens of thousands of civilians can be justified by claiming to be bringing democracy.

I do not believe that you can force democracy on a country. All you can achive that way is a pseudo colony with a pseudo democracy. The kind of situation leading to the current state of Africa.

I do not believe that Bush believed there were WMDs in Iraq, nor that Iraq was closely tied to Al Quaeda, nor that Iraq was any kind of threat to the US.
I do believe that the "intelligence failures" were 100% intentional.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-15936 07,00.html
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/sp ecial_packages/iraq/intelligence/11901380.htm
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/sp ecial_packages/iraq/intelligence/12995512.htm

I do not believe that Bush invaded Iraq for humanitarian reasons.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
This count is most likely closer to the truth:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11 674.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/ne ws/2006/05/12/wirq12.xml
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2162249, 00.html
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1 186519,00.html
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArti cle.asp?articleID=8218

The list is endless but I'll stop here.

I believe that Bush does and will continue to do exactly whatever he feels will benefit him, with no concern what so ever for how many dies for his gain. Not that you actually need anything but his actions and his statements to prove this, but here are more links:
http://downingstreetmemo.com/archive/2004-10-31-Ho ustonChron-Herskowitz/
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12 885.htm

I believe that Bush is now planning his next war of aggression.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20 060511&hn=33036
http://www.rense.com/general71/tdarg.htm
http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/05/ us-feverishly-works-to-frame-iran_13.html
http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2006/05/839133.sh tml
http://english.people.com.cn/200605/13/eng20060513 _265252.html
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Condoleeza_Rice_ admits_she_responded_to_0509.html

1. This is an utterly ridiculous comparison to make. The impact on the WTC towers happened some 70 stories up, while the Pentagon impact allegedly occured while the aircraft was mere inches from the Pentagon lawn. I'd direct you to sort through the WTC rubble for the aircraft pieces, but there's two problems with that:
   1. The cleanup was done in record time, denying investigators a chance to examine the debris (itself a federal crime).
      and
   2. Virtually all the steel was sectioned into 30-foot lengths, while all the concrete was completely pulverized into fine dust. It's doubtful the aircraft debris could have survived such total destruction (let's ignore, for just a moment, that steel from buildings involved in accidental collapes does not magically seperate into 30-foot lengths, and that the total kinetic energy generated by the WTC collapse was nowhere near the energy required to pulverize the concrete).
2. But, if you still insist on drawing this ridiculous parallel, all one needs to do is look at pictures of the WTC impacts. In each impact, the silhouette of the impacting aircraft is obvious, from the fuselage to the wingtips. Remember that these were steel columns that these 'fragile' wingtips sliced through like so much butter. Such is the power of kinetic energy.
   
   However, when we return to the Pentagon, we are now asked to believe that the wings of the impacting 757 magically 'folded up' along the fuselage, to allow the e

That's easy. The Madrid building didn't have the fireproofing insulation blown off of ten floors worth of steel supports.

The ASTM E119 certified steel comprising the structure of the WTC twin towers was able to take temperatures of 1100 degrees Celsius for several hours while maintaining structural integrity, without the benefit of 'fireproofing insulation'...at least, that's the U.L's opinion...and I'm inclined to trust them.

The jet fuel burning in the WTC could not have even come close to softening or annealing the structural steel of the WTC, let alone in as little time as 85 minutes. Please look here for an excellent mathmatical proof of this.

One plane hit near the center of the tower, the other farther off center. The offset was of little ultimate consequence given the load-bearing nature of the open floor plan.

Sorry, but I'm not buying that. It's farfetched enough to believe an airliner crash (which the towers were specifically designed to withstand) plus weak kerosene fires burning in an oxygen-poor environment could somehow make every load-bearing member fail simultaneously, but expecting another airliner crash in a different part of the other tower could somehow yield the same perfectly symmetrical collapse is beyond incredulity.

It seems obvious that it was a less robust design

Really? 'Seems obvious'?

If you've done any research into WTC 7 you would know that due to it a) being built straddling an existing electrical substation, and b) being Mayor Guiliani's doomsday bunker (a $15 million project), a command post from which to operate in case of a total infrastructure breakdown, it was one of the most (if not the most) overdesigned structures on the planet.

that was hit with about 50 stories of debris from the neighboring tower's collapse; have you been to ground zero? Building 7 and Building 6 were both heavily damaged by debris from the north tower.

Apparently you haven't...try checking out this map:
You'll see that WTC 7 is significantly farther away from the nortrh tower than WTC 6. In fact, WTC 6 stands directly between the north tower and WTC 7.

So how exactly could '50 stories of debris' jump out from the north tower, over WTC 6, and strike WTC 7?

The answer is: it couldn't, and it didn't. There are no reports of more than incidental debris from the north tower striking WTC 7. In contrast, WTC 6 had two huge holes punched straight through it from top to bottom, but remained standing until it was demolished during the site cleanup.

I don't know where you got your '50 stories of debris' information, but we'd really like to see a link. This assertion runs contrary to all other observations of the event.

I vehemently disagree with your theories on several grounds, the most obvious being that no conclusive evidence has emerged to show any government involvement in this matter

What we have here is conclusive evidence that the incidents surrounding 9/11 did not occur in the fashion described by the official version of events. Since that version was researched, verified, and published by our government, they are, by definition, involved in the matter. QED.

your theories are the ravings of a crackpot

That's hardly helpful. I could call your theories the ravings of a self-deluded Polyanna, but that wouldn't be helpful, either.

What is helpful is stimulating intelligent, informed, honest, and rational debate of the subject. I was once like you....I believed the 'official version of events' unquestioningly. When I was introduced to this information by a friend, I was overwhelmingly skeptical, so I decided to go about debunking the CT claims in favor of the official version.

However, the

What an amazing application of circular logic.

Steel reinforced concrete construction is not similar to the WTC's construction.

Are you seriously maintaining that steel-reinforced concrete structures are more fire-resistant than steel-framed structures?

There are also many examples of buildings similar to the building in Madrid collapsing due to a fire.

Apparently not. What was your point again?

(BTW, I call bullshit on this FUD. Please give examples of steel-framed buildings that have collapsed due to fire, or admit they don't exist.)

You are basically stating that it impossible for a steel framed building to collapse from a fire. Perhaps you should inform the regulatory bodies who write fire codes and design specifications and inform them that their work is pointless.

Umm, the reason that it is impossible for a steel-framed building to collapse from fire is precisely because of the work done by the regulatory bodies who write fire codes and design specifications. Your contention that steel-framed buildings can collapse due to fire is the contention that would render their work pointless.

By the way, speaking of regulatory agencies, you might want to read this communication from Kevin R. Ryan shortly after the 'collapse by fire' theories began flying.

Conspiracy or not, however, it seems more logical to me that a building which is known to be collapsible by fire did collapse by fire

You can't be serious. The only reason that the buildings were 'known to be collapsable by fire' is because the 'official account of events' maintains that they indeed collapsed from fire, despite the inconvinent fact that this explanation flies violently in the face of all accepted knowledge of architecture, chemistrry, metallurgy, physics, and just plain common sense.

rather than a massive plot requiring shaped charges with fireproof wireless explosive blasting caps in shaped charges placed directly against every support column in 3 buildings.

Several floors in WTC 1, 2, and 7 were closed in the preceeding week due to "security concerns". Bomb-sniffing dogs were also removed during this period.
Modern demolition explosive is fireproof, and wireless triggers are commonplace.
Yes, it may seem "far-fetched" to someone who hasn't looked critically at the facts, but the longer you look, the more you are forced to conclude that the 'official account of events' does not add up.

Being a paranoid type, I tend to overreact to things, but consider the following-
Given the US Governments current plans to consolidate all the data they hold about you into ginormous centralized multi-agency databases-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/c-6-9-ioi.html
They then intend to secure this data with biometric-containing RFID equipped tokens-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/b-1-information .html#is
But they intend to use Microsoft MIIS as the security engine-
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues /2005/11/PostMortem/default.aspx
And to save cost they are going to let BANKS issue the RFIDs (the same places that routinely send pre-approved credit cards to your dog)
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/cc/20040420a1.asp
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf209806.tip.html
Put all this together and it becomes frighteningly plausible that the government has little interest in securing citizen data, and a lot of interest in assembling data it can use to control its citizens.
http://www.rense.com/general15/happy.htm
But nobody will complain, becuase totalitarian control of our lives will be, like having a chip implanted, *just so convenient*.
However, for those who are still conscientious, it is possible to comment on the government's plans. But please be restrained and responsible in doing so, ranting and raving will just discredit opposing viewpoints.
http://www.estrategy.gov/lineofbusiness/docs/ioi_r fi.doc

So being that the all of the Arabs on board the flight all did brief "flight training" is all a coincidence? This is all documented.

Except that of the 19 people the FBI said hijacked the planes, 7 have since been found to be alive.

Until the investigators can sort out who *actually* hijacked the planes, saying whether this or that theory is right or paranoid is kind of pointless, don't you think?

You're reading the WRONG economists... http://www.rense.com/general26/ftw.htm http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=99 95 http://economicapocalypse.blogspot.com/ http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/mar/20asoc.htm http://www.michaelmandeville.com/collapse2006/inde x.htm

Kill a man, you get 20 years in jail. 'Steal' 20 bucks worth of software, you get 10.

And if you do it again after you get out, you get 20 new years.

Tell me again how the U.S. is not a fascist regime?

I'm even worried that the administration would deliberately sabotage something to cause another 9/11 type even in the near future. One hypothesis I overheard was that a boat with a low-yield nuke would be detonated off of the coast of Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Miami, with claims that Iran caused it. I will be taking a cruise towards the beginning of June and don't like even contemplating that idea.

Sorry, just had to get this off my chest anonymously...

From writer Umbertbo Eco:
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.ht ml
From the partisan but informed Dr. Lawrence Britt:
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

You are also not supposed to notice the complete lack of airplane parts in and around the pentagon.

see http://www.rense.com/general69/microbe.htm

Sending out a CD with inadequate privacy notifications is not Fascism

I don't know if its redundant but I was reading this some time ago and thought it was interesting then. Check this out if your interested.

Water is a pretty good shock buffer, and there's a lot of energy in a tidal wave. You'd be better off putting a few big bombs in a hole somewhere else.

May as well cough up the wiki link again too.

Oh really? What about this or this? Granted, this is transparent Alumina, which is aluminum oxide - Al2-O3 but it's close enough in my book.

http://www.rense.com/general69/redsynth.htm

Call For A Red Synthetic Terror Alert
By Webster Griffin Tarpley
2-5-6

The intense international intelligence warfare pattern mandates a move to red alert -- the highest vigilance -- for the upcoming superbowl Sunday in the USA and the Turin winter Olympics, and perhaps all the way to the March 20 opening of the Iranian oil bourse, which spells the beginning of the end for six decades of world dollar hegemony.

The Iranian oil bourse opens March 20 -- this is the strategic key. The Cheneyacs want war to stop the bourse from deflating the sick US dollar. The crumbling of European resistance has given new strength to Condi's nuclear lynch mob against Iran, with that country about to be hauled before the UN Security Council. At that point, a wider Middle East war will be immediately in sight.

The Mohammed cartoons are a transparent provocation by NATO intelligence through a Danish right wing newspaper of limited circulation. This classic US-UK provocation has had an enormous effect. Islamic circles need to realize that this is a cynical ploy designed to lead to an attack on Iran and thence to general war, and treat it that way.

We had the latest British terror bombing in Achwaz, Iran last week (Jan. 24), killing several people. The trial of British-backed terrorists in Iran starts in about 2 weeks. The situation of the British invaders in southern Iraq is becoming critical. Afghanistan is about to boil over. The US and North Korea are trading nuclear war threats across the 38th parallel. Russia has accused the British of flagrant spying, and there is every reason to believe this charge. Venezuela has expelled a US military attache as an obvious agent provocateur; now the US expels top Venezuelan diplomat. Now the fake provocation of an alleged IED bomb near a school in Gaiithersburg, Maryland in the Washington DC suburbs, impacting the personnel of the Bush administration and the federal government in general; many top officials live within a few miles of this school.

There was real hysteria in the corridors of the US government this afternoon. A new Sudden Response terror drill is taking place at Charleston. South Carolina. Will this drill go live in the way other drills went live in London last July 7? The latest leaked Downing Street memorandum reveals Bush as proposing to send US U-2 spy planes disguised in UN colors to be shot down over Iraq to secure a pretext for the illegal aggression there. This reveals Bush in the Operation Northwoods tradition, ready to commit acts of war in the form of impeachable offenses.

Detroit is a burned-out auto city, expendable in the eyes of the finance oligarchs. Turin, Italy, home of FIAT, is another expendable burned out ex-industrial city. An action in Turin would push the Europeans to join the US in the attack on Iran. The sinking of the Egptian ferry in the Red Sea may well fit into this pattern, but this is not clear. The Patriot Act has not been renewed. Top neocons face indictment and jail sentences.This is the classic moment when the neocons and their rogue network backers go back to Leo Strauss's nihilist revolution, capable of throwing humanity back into the Stone Age.

Webster Griffin Tarpley Washington DC
February 4, 2006

The sole basis for that is that the earliest human remains we've found so far are African. The evidence is scarce to say the least and is now disputed China seems to be a candidate and with more evidence to back it than the African claim.

The president was granted this power by congress and congress knew all along about it.

Nonsense. Congress knew nothing about it. The wiretaps were "authorized" by the Office of Legal Council, an arm of the Justice Department full of appointed judges, appointed by. . .Guess who?

Nor was there a lot of agreement within the OLC about the legality of the wiretaps:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11079547/site/newsweek /print/1/displaymode/1098/

These are the same people who said that just because we signed the Geneva Convention doesn't mean we're bound by it, but can still bitch about anyone else not obeying it, because it's the law.

I've not seen that anywhere.

Really?

http://www.rense.com/general69/legit.htm

Well, now you have.

KFG

First, there's that guy, Bill Clinton, who allowed sensitive information to be leaked to China while forbidding security agencies to investigate and helping CIA to be almost destroyed.

http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/individualProfil e.asp?indid=644

After that, there's this other nice guy, George Soros, who thinks the treason par... I mean, the democratic party is so nice he must purchase it by both financing every kind of subversive liberal cause in existence as well as financing its elections, what the party heads of course love. A man who, of course, also loves China:

http://www.discoverthenetwork.com/individualProfil e.asp?indid=977
http://www.rense.com/general61/thecaseofgeorgesoro s.htm

And now, Google, a major contributor to the treas... sorry, to the *democratic* party, also explicitly enters the gang.

Oh, this was "such" a surprise. As if liberals weren't like that...

According to this guy http://www.rense.com/general3/coca.htm Coca-Cola has been working with the CIA to spy on several foreign governments for years, so I guess that it is not that far fetched that the CIA would use Microsoft as well.

If only it were true. He seems to be able to lie us into a war, shred the constitution, hand out important government jobs like stocking stuffers to incompetent nitwits, give aid and comfort to our enemies in time of war, suppress political descent, and run up enormous debt in our name to enrich his backers, and there doesn't seem to be anything the hand wringing "opposition" party can do to stop him.

If only he sucked , he's be out of there so fast his head would spin.

--MarkusQ

Actually, below are some pictures of Marfa lights and if anyone still thinks these are car lights then he has his own problems :)

http://www.whattofix.com/blog/archives/2005/07/giv e_up_trying.php
http://www.rense.com/general45/excel.htm
http://taskboy.com/lectures/UFOlogy/02_Pre-1946/sl ide_03.html

Also am I the only one who read the pdf? I didn't see anything about any lasers. All they did was pure statistics; # of lights appeared at given time vs # of cars that drove on the 67th highway. This could be pure coninsidence.

"I don't want to hear again from the attorney general or anyone on this floor that this government has shown it can be trusted to use the power we give it with restraint and care,"

Senator Russ Feingold D-Wisconson, and the only senator to vote against the Patriot Act in 2001.

I've always thought that cat-owners were a bit loony, and one of the citations at the end of the above-linked wikipedia entry seems to support that notion, at least the lower IQ portion of it ;)

Likewise, please consider the case of Mexicans and Blacks. Mexicans are infamous for killing their girlfriends when they get in disputes. Blacks are famous for carjackings. But if you read what they think of as their holy book (The Holy Bible), it is clear that stealing and killing girlfriends (or just premarital sex) are forbidden. And if a black or Mexican were to do those things, he'd have to do a great deal of penance.

Wow. Just wow. Have you any idea what you've just said? I am at a loss for words. Truely breathtaking ignorence. I mean, have you ever even met a black or hispanic person in your entire life? I tell you; you've got to get up early in the morning to be this ignorent. No really. It takes effort. You might not like this guy's comments, but you have to admire his dogged determination to be as big an asshole as he can possibly be.

However, as you may or may not know, Hasidim have different standards for cheating Jews vs. cheating gentiles. It is part of their religion. A hasid published a book on this recently, and it is a big deal, because he lays it all out: http://www.rense.com/general48/newbook.htm -- where Orthodox Jews recommend to other Orthodox that the gentiles are evil and a different species. And that a Jew should deceive them about their true feelings -- e.g. don't tell the gentiles that you think they are evil, and of a different species.

Yeah, maybe this guy did write such a book, and maybe he does think its OK to rip people off because they're not a member of [insert clique here]. If he does, then he's an asshole. If anyone does things like that then they're an asshole too. I have no doubt that there's at least one Hasidist out there who rips people off; because Hasidists are human beings, and there are rotten apples in every batch. But on the main, I know that Hasidist are by and large OK guys. I know this because statistics tell me so. And statistics is mathematically and scientifically verifiable. Which is of course, something you're opinions can never be.

You need to get out more and visit your local bazzar. That or read Roots or something.

About 90% of these stores in New York and New Jersey are owned by hasidic Jews. The cheating methods they use are standard practice.

I'm just talking about peoples' experiences, not what you've read.

E.g. Hasidim are infamous for cheating people -- including other non-hasidim who consider themselves Jews. Ask any Israeli -- it causes a lot of conflict.

Likewise, please consider the case of Mexicans and Blacks. Mexicans are infamous for killing their girlfriends when they get in disputes. Blacks are famous for carjackings. But if you read what they think of as their holy book (The Holy Bible), it is clear that stealing and killing girlfriends (or just premarital sex) are forbidden. And if a black or Mexican were to do those things, he'd have to do a great deal of penance.

However, as you may or may not know, Hasidim have different standards for cheating Jews vs. cheating gentiles. It is part of their religion. A hasid published a book on this recently, and it is a big deal, because he lays it all out: http://www.rense.com/general48/newbook.htm -- where Orthodox Jews recommend to other Orthodox that the gentiles are evil and a different species. And that a Jew should deceive them about their true feelings -- e.g. don't tell the gentiles that you think they are evil, and of a different species.

See http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/101805_w orld_stories.shtml#5 for an interesting take on the whole situation...

Ok you want to get really paranoid?

http://www.rense.com/general20/mic.htm

Granted, it sounds like this new stuff may actually be transparent, but please don't take the title away from Aluminum oxide ceramics, which were written about over 3 years ago.

http://www.rense.com/general20/transparentalum.htm

Ask and ye shall receive. And apparently the oldest dupe yet.

http://www.rense.com/general20/transparentalum.htm

Entrants must prove, and support with detailed drawings for all significant events, how the twin towers collapsed in 8.5 seconds, as the video and seismic records show, without explosives. Contestants must show exactly whow the concrete was pulverized and ejected hundreds of feet with detailed drawings."

Yet while you're reading this on your computer screen, safe at home or work, thousands of people all over this country must silently wrestle with their thoughts: What if those wacko conspiracy theorists on the Internet are RIGHT?

http://www.rense.com/general68/jumbo.htm

Look up Rife http://www.holman.net/rifetechnology/ (Read the history section) and it has been shown to work currntly. http://www.rt66.com/~rifetech/ is another link http://www.rense.com/general31/rife.htm http://www.renewedlife.com/article/?id=28

What got me interesting in this is reading Clarks book the cure for all diseases , I built the zapper and it works well, while not plasma based.

Makes you really wonder why this is all supressed. Take back a History of the AMA journal and the needs of advertising revenue to pay for it.

While at it might as well check out Moray another vein but http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/archive.htm link 1. Free Electricity Generated from the Radiant Cosmos (esp page 3 where the pantent examiner wouldn't allow the patent cause he couldn't concieve of the idea.)

Actually, I've studied them at great length. Tell me exactly how the current regime
in the US is _not_ a prototypical Facist movement?

My thought also.

Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist

URGENT: PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SENATOR IMMEDIATELY TO OPPOSE AMDT.2662

On Sept 14, the Orwellian federal "anti-hate" bill, AMDT.2662 (The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005), was passed by the House of Representatives. It will establish a "hate crimes" bureaucracy in America, just like Canada's, ending free speech.

AMDT.2662 is designed by the ADL and is exactly the type of legislation that has ruined Canada.

Here is a summary of what the bill would make law:

Although AMDT.2662 ostensibly empowers the government to assist states in prosecution of violent hate crimes, its actual effect will be much more far-reaching. AMDT.2662 will lead to enforcement of the working definitions of "hate" and "hate crimes" which are enforced by the many "anti-hate" bureaucracies in countries throughout the western industrialized world. In such countries, it is now a "hate crime" to criticize members of federally protected groups such as Jews and homosexuals. Utilizing such definitions, "hate crime" indictments have been made or are currently being pursued by Canada, England, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Australia and New Zealand. AMDT.2662 builds a foundation for a "hate crimes" bureaucracy in America, also ending free speech.

Here are some of the specially protected groups which AMDT.2662 defends:

Homosexuals. Any public criticism of homosexuals will soon be considered a hate crime, just as it was for 11 Christians under the Pennsylvania hate crime law on Oct. 10, 2004. These Christians were arrested as "hate criminals" for preaching during a huge "gay pride" rally and faced 47 years in prison and $80,000 fines each.

Women. A woman who claims her boyfriend used a sexist word against her and raped her the last time they had sex, can press charges for a "hate crime" of rape. Punishment will triple the usual penalty, about 30 years in prison.

Jews. Already the Dept. of Global Anti-semitism, being established in the US State Dept., makes it "anti-semitic" to express "strong anti-Israel sentiment" against Israel or its leaders. It also says upholding the New Testament charge that Jews killed Christ is "anti-semitic." Under "anti-hate" laws in Canada and Europe, such statements are "hate crimes" punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment.

AMDT.2662 will hasten such anti-Christianity in America as well.

ENDING FREE SPEECH RADIO

If this amendment is approved, FCC restrictions will soon descend on American talk show hosts, with lists of banned topics. Hosts will be fined or imprisoned and stations will lose their broadcast licenses, just as in Canada, if they violate these restrictions.

Don't let this happen to the USA. Don't let them tear up your God-given Constitution.

http://www.hatelawsexposed.org/
http://truthtellers.org/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/adl_hate_bill_ talk_radio_death_knell.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/hatm.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/speech.htm
http://www.rense.com/general66/adl.htm

CONTACT YOUR SENATOR NOW!!!!

Go to http://www.hatelawsexposed.org/

URGENT: PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SENATOR IMMEDIATELY TO OPPOSE AMDT.2662

On Sept 14, the Orwellian federal "anti-hate" bill, AMDT.2662 (The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005), was passed by the House of Representatives. It will establish a "hate crimes" bureaucracy in America, just like Canada's, ending free speech.

AMDT.2662 is designed by the ADL and is exactly the type of legislation that has ruined Canada.

Here is a summary of what the bill would make law:

Although AMDT.2662 ostensibly empowers the government to assist states in prosecution of violent hate crimes, its actual effect will be much more far-reaching. AMDT.2662 will lead to enforcement of the working definitions of "hate" and "hate crimes" which are enforced by the many "anti-hate" bureaucracies in countries throughout the western industrialized world. In such countries, it is now a "hate crime" to criticize members of federally protected groups such as Jews and homosexuals. Utilizing such definitions, "hate crime" indictments have been made or are currently being pursued by Canada, England, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Australia and New Zealand. AMDT.2662 builds a foundation for a "hate crimes" bureaucracy in America, also ending free speech.

Here are some of the specially protected groups which AMDT.2662 defends:

Homosexuals. Any public criticism of homosexuals will soon be considered a hate crime, just as it was for 11 Christians under the Pennsylvania hate crime law on Oct. 10, 2004. These Christians were arrested as "hate criminals" for preaching during a huge "gay pride" rally and faced 47 years in prison and $80,000 fines each.

Women. A woman who claims her boyfriend used a sexist word against her and raped her the last time they had sex, can press charges for a "hate crime" of rape. Punishment will triple the usual penalty, about 30 years in prison.

Jews. Already the Dept. of Global Anti-semitism, being established in the US State Dept., makes it "anti-semitic" to express "strong anti-Israel sentiment" against Israel or its leaders. It also says upholding the New Testament charge that Jews killed Christ is "anti-semitic." Under "anti-hate" laws in Canada and Europe, such statements are "hate crimes" punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment.

AMDT.2662 will hasten such anti-Christianity in America as well.

ENDING FREE SPEECH RADIO

If this amendment is approved, FCC restrictions will soon descend on American talk show hosts, with lists of banned topics. Hosts will be fined or imprisoned and stations will lose their broadcast licenses, just as in Canada, if they violate these restrictions.

Don't let this happen to the USA. Don't let them tear up your God-given Constitution.

http://www.hatelawsexposed.org/
http://truthtellers.org/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/adl_hate_bill_ talk_radio_death_knell.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/hatm.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/speech.htm
http://www.rense.com/general66/adl.htm

CONTACT YOUR SENATOR NOW!!!!

Go to http://www.hatelawsexposed.org/

URGENT: PLEASE CONTACT YOUR SENATOR IMMEDIATELY TO OPPOSE AMDT.2662

On Sept 14, the Orwellian federal "anti-hate" bill, AMDT.2662 (The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005), was passed by the House of Representatives. It will establish a "hate crimes" bureaucracy in America, just like Canada's, ending free speech.

AMDT.2662 is designed by the ADL and is exactly the type of legislation that has ruined Canada.

Here is a summary of what the bill would make law:

Although AMDT.2662 ostensibly empowers the government to assist states in prosecution of violent hate crimes, its actual effect will be much more far-reaching. AMDT.2662 will lead to enforcement of the working definitions of "hate" and "hate crimes" which are enforced by the many "anti-hate" bureaucracies in countries throughout the western industrialized world. In such countries, it is now a "hate crime" to criticize members of federally protected groups such as Jews and homosexuals. Utilizing such definitions, "hate crime" indictments have been made or are currently being pursued by Canada, England, Sweden, Germany, Italy, Australia and New Zealand. AMDT.2662 builds a foundation for a "hate crimes" bureaucracy in America, also ending free speech.

Here are some of the specially protected groups which AMDT.2662 defends:

Homosexuals. Any public criticism of homosexuals will soon be considered a hate crime, just as it was for 11 Christians under the Pennsylvania hate crime law on Oct. 10, 2004. These Christians were arrested as "hate criminals" for preaching during a huge "gay pride" rally and faced 47 years in prison and $80,000 fines each.

Women. A woman who claims her boyfriend used a sexist word against her and raped her the last time they had sex, can press charges for a "hate crime" of rape. Punishment will triple the usual penalty, about 30 years in prison.

Jews. Already the Dept. of Global Anti-semitism, being established in the US State Dept., makes it "anti-semitic" to express "strong anti-Israel sentiment" against Israel or its leaders. It also says upholding the New Testament charge that Jews killed Christ is "anti-semitic." Under "anti-hate" laws in Canada and Europe, such statements are "hate crimes" punishable by harsh fines and imprisonment.

AMDT.2662 will hasten such anti-Christianity in America as well.

ENDING FREE SPEECH RADIO

If this amendment is approved, FCC restrictions will soon descend on American talk show hosts, with lists of banned topics. Hosts will be fined or imprisoned and stations will lose their broadcast licenses, just as in Canada, if they violate these restrictions.

Don't let this happen to the USA. Don't let them tear up your God-given Constitution.

http://www.hatelawsexposed.org/
http://truthtellers.org/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/adl_hate_bill_ talk_radio_death_knell.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/hatm.htm
http://www.rense.com/general67/speech.htm
http://www.rense.com/general66/adl.htm

CONTACT YOUR SENATOR NOW!!!!

Go to http://www.hatelawsexposed.org/

Try these sites:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/sexandcapitol7,18,01 .htm#article2

(full text of many news articles)

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388cd49f5ce8.ht m#article19

(Sex, Lies, Videotape, Teenagers, Drugs, Blackmail, and Death)

To see the entire "Conspiracy of Silence" documentary:

http://www.rense.com/general61/appallingconspiracy of.htm

Look at the ties the Bush family has to that dirty Nazi money also. Maybe the corporations are just following the lead set by the Presidential family.
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.h tm
http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm
http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32 55.htm


technoid_

These people might:

http://www.rense.com/earthchanges/emfmind.htm

Google search for HAARP and weather modification.

Never mind that if we had that kind of power available to us, we wouldn't have an energy crisis. :)

Just about everything you posted in wrong. For example if contacting CJD requires a genetic defect then how do you explain the cluster of CJD found in southern Idaho recently (please no hillbilly jokes). European cows and sheep where effected in huge numbers because of feeding practices and not inbreeding.

Also Kuru a prion disease found in tribes in New Guinea was found to be caused by a tradition of eating dead relatives as a religious practice.

...in Olinto de Pretto's handwriting. Or maybe David Hilbert's. Either way, the "original" probably is second-generation from something else.

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Now, how far away do you think it is?

It stops being a conspiracy theory when all you have are facts.

http://rense.com/Datapages/londonbmb.htm

Patriot Act coming up for revote
England losing support to stay in Iraq
New need to fuel the fight against 'those terrorists'
London just got the olympic bid
The g8 summit.
The orwellian "we can't define the enemy, so we can't define the victory, so we'll just keep an ongoing war against a mythical enemy" syndrome

The list goes on

posted anonymously, because my karma can't take any more hits from those that censor anything that would shatter their world view.