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it wasnt the Trump administation that suggested in 2015/2016 that sites like Drudge Report and Infowars be shut down as 'fake news organizations'. When will you guys ever learn that ever sort of 'cheat' you can come up with can be used against you. Everything your complaining about (and im not saying its invalid) has at one time also been used by the other side. Manipulating people with facebook ads? 2012. War on journalism? 2009/2010 by imprisoning journalist who would not reveal their sources. He literally charged them with espionage and treason. In fact the 44th presidential administration has charged more people with treason than every other president combined. I tried to warn you back then, when they were coming up with 'clever' ways to shut down sites like drudge report and infowars, that any bullshit you pull when in power can be used against you later when you aren't. The responsible thing to do would be to prevent _anyone_ from being able to do this shit, but instead we get new ways to weaponize this instead. Those in power just cant resist the opportunity to abuse it instead of killing it outright so that no one can use it again. So next time, before you assume this is new, do a little checking. This POTUS isnt really clever enough to invent this stuff, they just use what has been done before. Its like those commercials for Georgia Pacific "we dont make many of the things you use everyday. We make many of the things you use everyday better". Only in this case, more weaponized. Take the moral high ground and abandon this practice entirely, for the betterment of everyone, not just one party.

Quoting The San Diego Union-Tribune https://www.sandiegouniontribu...

Actually, about Fox News, Obama White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told The New York Times in 2009, “We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent.”

And in 2013, Leonard Downie Jr., former executive editor of The Washington Post, wrote “the administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration.”

In 2015, James Risen, then a reporter at The New York Times, called the Obama administration “the greatest enemy of press freedom in a generation.”

In 2017, in Obama’s last days, The San Diego Union-Tribune Editorial Board echoed the criticism from Downie and Risen and called Obama’s administration “the least transparent and the most antagonistic toward the media since the Nixon administration.” In a nuanced analysis of his eight years, we wrote, “So much for Obama’s promise to lead ‘the most transparent administration in history.’”

Some specifics? Obama’s administration prosecuted three times as many cases targeting whistle-blowers and leakers than all previous administrations combined. It said there was probable cause that a Fox News reporter was a “co-conspirator” in a plot against the U.S. government because of his attempts to gather information about North Korea’s nuclear arsenal. It secretly scoured the phone records of nearly 100 Associated Press reporters and editors for two months, which an editorial in The New York Times characterized as “a fishing expedition for sources and an effort to frighten off whistle-blowers.” And in 2014, according to AP, the Obama administration broke its own record for censoring government files or refusing to provide files sought under the Freedom of Information Act.

This site just proves how much people hate each other and are not willing to even try to work together.

it wasnt the Trump administation that suggested in 2015/2016 that sites like Drudge Report and Infowars be shut down as 'fake news organizations'. When will you guys ever learn that ever sort of 'cheat' you can come up with can be used against you. Everything your complaining about (and im not saying its invalid) has at one time also been used by the other side. Manipulating people with facebook ads? 2012. War on journalism? 2009/2010 by imprisoning journalist who would not reveal their sources. He literally charged them with espionage and treason. In fact the 44th presidential administration has charged more people with treason than every other president combined. I tried to warn you back then, when they were coming up with 'clever' ways to shut down sites like drudge report and infowars, that any bullshit you pull when in power can be used against you later when you aren't. The responsible thing to do would be to prevent _anyone_ from being able to do this shit, but instead we get new ways to weaponize this instead. Those in power just cant resist the opportunity to abuse it instead of killing it outright so that no one can use it again. So next time, before you assume this is new, do a little checking. This POTUS isnt really clever enough to invent this stuff, they just use what has been done before. Its like those commercials for Georgia Pacific "we dont make many of the things you use everyday. We make many of the things you use everyday better". Only in this case, more weaponized. Take the moral high ground and abandon this practice entirely, for the betterment of everyone, not just one party.

Quoting The San Diego Union-Tribune https://www.sandiegouniontribu...

Actually, about Fox News, Obama White House Communications Director Anita Dunn told The New York Times in 2009, “We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent.”

And in 2013, Leonard Downie Jr., former executive editor of The Washington Post, wrote “the administration’s war on leaks and other efforts to control information are the most aggressive I’ve seen since the Nixon administration.”

In 2015, James Risen, then a reporter at The New York Times, called the Obama administration “the greatest enemy of press freedom in a generation.”

In 2017, in Obama’s last days, The San Diego Union-Tribune Editorial Board echoed the criticism from Downie and Risen and called Obama’s administration “the least transparent and the most antagonistic toward the media since the Nixon administration.” In a nuanced analysis of his eight years, we wrote, “So much for Obama’s promise to lead ‘the most transparent administration in history.’”

Some specifics? Obama’s administration prosecuted three times as many cases targeting whistle-blowers and leakers than all previous administrations combined. It said there was probable cause that a Fox News reporter was a “co-conspirator” in a plot against the U.S. government because of his attempts to gather information about North Korea’s nuclear arsenal. It secretly scoured the phone records of nearly 100 Associated Press reporters and editors for two months, which an editorial in The New York Times characterized as “a fishing expedition for sources and an effort to frighten off whistle-blowers.” And in 2014, according to AP, the Obama administration broke its own record for censoring government files or refusing to provide files sought under the Freedom of Information Act.

Specificaly:

"The digital replica edition of the Union-Tribune was also affected. The company is working to restore that version this morning."

Granted, you could use the web to get your information and news somewhere else...

But, if for whatever reason you were a subscriber of the SD union tribune, and/or wanted to see the SD union tribune, the web was not there to save the day.

Source:
https://www.sandiegouniontribu...

>Oh, do I ever love a good anecdote in an argument. It proves so much.

Anecdote this,
"Who is getting killed in bicycling crashes?
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19 percent of bicyclists killed had blood alcohol concentrations of 0.08 g/dL or higher.
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Six most Frequent Sources of Injury Percent
                                                                  Hit by car 29
                                                                  Fell 17
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Fell?!

Oh and let's not forget this little nugget..
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According to the 2,515 accident reports on crashes between cyclists and motorists resulting in the injury or death of a bicyclist in San Diego County from 2011 to September 2014, it was the cyclist who was most often found at fault, when fault was determined.
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followed by THIS in the same article.
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San Diego police traffic Lt. Leonard Flake said that in 28 years as an officer who deals with crashes, he found it was the cyclist who was at fault a majority of the time.

“Many of those cases were violations of right of way, where the bicyclist cut in front of a car or decided not to stop at a stop sign or a red light — just rode right through it,” Flake said.

"

This, after the 3 feet for safety law was passed!

Flat Earth Much?

This just happened last month... http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

Not the original anon, but here you go: how much to move outta san francisco

Obvs not the same as parent anon was hoping...its because there's a shortage of uhaul trucks in the bay area.

It was never about the orders

I know that. You know that. We all know that it was all about skin color.

Oh, and by the way, DACA is back in business.

http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/sdut-widespread-power-outages-across-san-diego-county-2011sep08-htmlstory.html

The power went out in the San Diego are for over 6 hours. It was pure chaos. People that relied on credit cards could not pay for their lunches (businesses lost revenue by people walking out), buy gas (stranded cars at stations), or even use the ATM to get cash.

Until be have a rock-solid electrical infrastructure that can guarantee at minimum 100% uptime (which they never will) I will not stop using cash.

Relying solely on a credit card is pure stupidity. You deserve what you get.

FYI: I was able to pay for my lunch which the restaurant was grateful for. They ended up losing a days worth of revenue that day.

No, it won't be overturned, quickly or otherwise. Because of the way Prop 65 works. And those grill lines ... restaurants that grill stuff already have to have the warning signs, due to prior lawsuits.

The law allows no balancing act. That's left as an exercise for the user.

Doesn't change that it is silly. Obesity is a cancer risk and is caused by food intake. Therefore we must put the warning on all food products.

I still think they should put the warning that coffee drinkers live longer than non-coffee drinkers. http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

At least that has some research behind it, not massive doses given to rats and somehow determining without any study that it is a human carcinogen.

Humans have eaten the offending compound since we started to eat cooked food. You would think there would be a clear association by now.

But overall - it gets a big whatevah, don't care because it is likely bullshit.

And EVs are charged using electricity from coal which is a lot dirtier than ICE so the environmental argument fails too.

This is an outright lie. Here in California, we have exactly one coal-fired plant, providing 55 MW, or 0.2% of our usage. For the US as a whole, less than 30% of our electricity is from coal.

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Food plants can't tolerate a desert.

Lucky then that climate change causes increased evaporation and probably overall increased precipitation.

The highest food producing areas of Western North America in California, which by and large rely upon water from systems that are slowly but surely being effected by less and less rainfall on the mountains of West Coast

And, again, good thing that climate change is here to help.

The rose coloured glass effect in spades. The fly in the ointment with this belief is that the areas that are warming the most are not receiving increased rainfall and will not, unless the patterns of the jet stream and continental weather streams change drastically. The arid deserts are not about to change suddenly into agricultural land, neither will the areas with the greatest biomass in the form of peat bogs and a cold climate desert ecology. The territories in Canada and the northern sections of the provinces are not suitable for agriculture and will not suddenly become arable lands, the fools that spout off about the benefits of global warming are exactly that FOOLS. Yes we will be soon able to send oil tankers through the North West Passage and drill the hell out of areas of the Arctic. Yes there are huge areas of fertile prairie which is quickly losing the permafrost but most are are based upon an acidic top soil that will not produce our chosen food stuffs or support adequate grass for grazing animals for centuries until many cycles of grass fires can change the top soil ph. This is how our prairie grain lands are created and is how they will eventually be created in some more northernly areas of North America

Some of the areas just south of the permafrost have already been used for Northern agriculture in a very recent time frame. The Peace River region is one example, but these areas have had centuries to adjust to the loss of the permafrost.

Unless the arm chair scientists claiming that global warming will increase food production have a way to change the polar rotation of the earth there is absolutely no way to increase the growing seasons of the North which around the 60th parallel is 3-4 months of frost free temperatures and enough daylight to grow plants.

Even more importantly, FYI what it takes to raise a cow on grass and forage plants at the 60th and even down to Dawson creek at 55.7596 N is more in monetary terms of feed than the animal will bring at market. Most cattle grown there are stock produced first or trucked in then range fed, then trucked out to then be market fattened in the production feed lots in southern Alberta before going to market. Also the animals must be housed during the coldest months in a heated barns to avoid them losing too much fat and muscle mass to the cold. The range season there much shorter than in Montana even if the winters are not much colder they are much longer. The low cost of natural gas in Canada is the only thing that makes cattle ranching there possible.

Traditional agriculture does not work in most of Canada and Russia and the fools who believe it will are living with rose coloured glasses that blind them to the realities of the environment of the north and what it takes to live and work there. Productive prairies are slowly created by cycles fire and grass and the slow warming since the last ice age. Prairie agricultural lands will not and cannot be magically created by man made global warming.

Food plants can't tolerate a desert.

Lucky then that climate change causes increased evaporation and probably overall increased precipitation.

The highest food producing areas of Western North America in California, which by and large rely upon water from systems that are slowly but surely being effected by less and less rainfall on the mountains of West Coast

And, again, good thing that climate change is here to help.

Why write so much when you know that you are not going to be taken seriously for any of it?
Your stupid thin-skinned kneejerk stuff above happened and trying to bury it under a bigger pile of bullshit is not going to help.

Ah, seems you've got everything completely wrong, due to your lack of temperance and consideration, but it seems you need an opportunity to read my post again, I'll be glad to help:

You apparently believe that you can simply declare something

Of course I can. Such a declaration is what is called an example.

It seems you still believe you can declare something, and that other people will simply nod their heads in agreement at the obvious wisdom you are espousing.

Unfortunately for you, that also seems to include trying to selectively quote people in a deceptive manner. Which again, hinders your argument by making for a poor presentation that instead discredits you.

Really, it is obvious you do prefer misleading and deceptive cuts, rather than endeavor towards honesty and integrity. I'm sure you'll try to excuse it under brevity, or some other quality, but it's merely a front for your actually malign behavior.

What's with the truckload of baggage?

Indeed, what is with your copious amount of self-weighing baggage? It seems to be crippling you. You just can't get out from under it.

I never said the rest of the world is perfect, just that California has had some odd laws and mismangement.

Yes, that is a rather common manner of behavior(I noted that about California already), but then, that exposes its failings quite easily, since the tendency of persons such as yourself, to fabricate hysterical complaints is predominant. Whether it be the claim you made, even though it seems there is a basis for the concerns about employee pay, or some other nonsense, the very repetition makes it easy to expose.

Your obsession with definitions on one hand and dismissal of the inconvenient ones on the other is kind of pointless in this context.

Actually, that's your obsession. I believe the point of it, for you, is so you can create a distorted portrayal of a situation. Not exactly a commendable purpose, but that would be your point.

If you accused another place of having a "brownout" without knowing what it actually means (or more likely the pretence of ignorance for the sake of convenience) that's not my fault.

Well, there's no need for me to worry about fault, as I made no such statement whatsoever. I haven't even used that term in this thread, therefore, I could not have done it.

Review the thread, not one word of mine uses it. All yours. In quotation marks, so you can claim that you were using it broadly, rather than specifically. That's fine with me. You have plenty of other faults though, and they have been an impediment for yourself.

Unfortunately, I believe you have succumbed to a mindset, where instead of realizing your faults, you reject criticism and fail to improve your arguments.

Sorry, but I laughed when I read that - good advice but in this situation it applies to yourself and not the very short and simple statements of examples (not arguments at all) that I gave above.

That's exactly what I meant above, about your, being the one who in your words:

Your obsession with definitions on one hand and dismissal of the inconvenient ones on the other is kind of pointless in this context.

Thank you for giving me such an excellent example.

You are coming off like an Eliza bot completely unaware of what you have written only a few lines before. It kind of looks like a cut and pa

You apparently believe that you can simply declare something

Of course I can. Such a declaration is what is called an example.

It seems you still believe you can declare something, and that other people will simply nod their heads in agreement at the obvious wisdom you are espousing.
Unfortunately for you, that also seems to include trying to selectively quote people in a deceptive manner. Which again, hinders your argument by making for a poor presentation that instead discredits you.

Really, it is obvious you do prefer misleading and deceptive cuts, rather than endeavor towards honesty and integrity. I'm sure you'll try to excuse it under brevity, or some other quality, but it's merely a front for your actually malign behavior.

What's with the truckload of baggage?

Indeed, what is with your copious amount of self-weighing baggage? It seems to be crippling you. You just can't get out from under it.

I never said the rest of the world is perfect, just that California has had some odd laws and mismangement.

Yes, that is a rather common manner of behavior(I noted that about California already), but then, that exposes its failings quite easily, since the tendency of persons such as yourself, to fabricate hysterical complaints is predominant. Whether it be the claim you made, even though it seems there is a basis for the concerns about employee pay, or some other nonsense, the very repetition makes it easy to expose.

Your obsession with definitions on one hand and dismissal of the inconvenient ones on the other is kind of pointless in this context.

Actually, that's your obsession. I believe the point of it, for you, is so you can create a distorted portrayal of a situation. Not exactly a commendable purpose, but that would be your point.

If you accused another place of having a "brownout" without knowing what it actually means (or more likely the pretence of ignorance for the sake of convenience) that's not my fault.

Well, there's no need for me to worry about fault, as I made no such statement whatsoever. I haven't even used that term in this thread, therefore, I could not have done it.

Review the thread, not one word of mine uses it. All yours. In quotation marks, so you can claim that you were using it broadly, rather than specifically. That's fine with me. You have plenty of other faults though, and they have been an impediment for yourself.

Unfortunately, I believe you have succumbed to a mindset, where instead of realizing your faults, you reject criticism and fail to improve your arguments.

Sorry, but I laughed when I read that - good advice but in this situation it applies to yourself and not the very short and simple statements of examples (not arguments at all) that I gave above.

That's exactly what I meant above, about your, being the one who in your words:

Your obsession with definitions on one hand and dismissal of the inconvenient ones on the other is kind of pointless in this context.

Thank you for giving me such an excellent example.

You are coming off like an Eliza bot completely unaware of what you have written only a few lines before. It kind of looks like a cut and paste insult you've used before that hilariously applies to yourself instead.

Oh my, and yet somehow, I actually think the fault you describe, lies in yourself, not the stars. It must be quite the effort for you, don't you think it'd be easier to behave in a genuine manner? Why do you carry such a load?

It was Bill Clinton, A FUCKING DEMOCRAT that federally deregulated the banks and federally instituted the racist 3-strikes law.

We were told that this sort of stuff would have been a Republican wet dream. THE DEMOCRATS DID IT

And the Dems wonder why they can't win elections.

Because Rockoon is such a demented liar that he states easily disproven falsehoods?

Yeah, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act was totally named after 3 Democratic Congressmen. Wait. Sen. Phil Gramm (R, Texas), Rep. Jim Leach (R, Iowa), and Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R, Virginia). Hmm. Of course, we could just forget the Bush administration, because obviously they weren't capable of doing anything, so it's unfair to hold them responsible for running the country.

As for three strikes, the flaws of it were pointed out in 1995. Republicans? They've had 22 years. They've done what now?

At least Clinton has the grace to admit his mistakes. The new Sheriff is committed to ignoring that.

If you want to say that Democrats don't win elections because America is infected with such a fanatical zealotry of lying GOP stalwarts that substitute their own reality, I guess that's an idea. Anything else? You're just being as much a liar as Rockoon.

The real story with elections, of course, is that the game is rigged.

maybe. i bet these guys wish they had wasted more time and money before unveiling their new logo.

getting two fiscal conservative governors in a row—Schwarzenegger

Schwarzenegger was nothing of the sort. On his first day he created a $4 billion deficit (in city and county budgets that the state backfilled). In 2004, he campaigned for Prop 57, which was $15B in bonds for operational costs, the interest on which was $1M a day for 11 years (another $4B). His administration, instead of "cut[ting] up the state's credit card," tripled the debt.

In this case they are showing raw data that speaks for itself. I don't care who published it, that looks pretty definitively like an attempt at deliberate manipulation of the data on NOAA's part.

I crunched the raw data myself and got the same warming trend that NASA and NOAA get. See http://forums.sandiegouniontri... for details

Read this: http://forums.sandiegouniontri...

But the 12 NOAA climate-data "adjustments" in a row that have each cooled the past and warmed the present can't be considered "politicized science" since that could totally be legitimate compensations for random errors. You're totally likely to randomly select the same of six options 12 times in a row; this happens 100/6^12 = 0.000000046% if the time!

The adjustments were made to correct for the effects of station moves from town centers to outlying airport (and other) locations. Drill down into the unadjusted NOAA data (ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v3/) and you will find that *hundreds* of airport stations have data records going back prior to the existence of airports. Those stations were obviously moved. For more info, see a summary of my own independent analysis of the NOAA temperature data here: http://forums.sandiegouniontri...

Rep. Darrell Issa's battle with a flamboyant conservative Internet columnist who called the Arab-American lawmaker "jihad Darrell" has become a bizarre sideshow to what authorities say was a recent plot to bomb Issa's district office in San Clemente. Issa and his aides said columns written by political commentator Debbie Schlussel might have inflamed Jewish Defense League officials, who allegedly were targeting the San Diego County lawmaker. One of the suspects, Irving David Rubin, chairman of the JDL, gave copies of the Internet commentaries to an FBI informant, who helped thwart a plot to blow up a Los Angeles-area mosque and one of Issa's offices, according to a source familiar with the case.

If Islam is against the Jewish people, why did Muslims protect them when Christians were trying to wipe them out in Europe?

Within a century of the death of Mohammad, in 632, Muslim armies had conquered almost the whole of the world where Jews lived, from Spain eastward across North Africa and the Middle East as far as the eastern frontier of Iran and beyond. Almost all the Jews in the world were now ruled by Islam. This new situation transformed Jewish existence. Their fortunes changed in legal, demographic, social, religious, political, geographical, economic, linguistic and cultural terms - all for the better.

This article has a diagram of the proposed design:

http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

One of the effects of body cameras is complaints against the police go down:

http://www.sandiegouniontribun...

http://www.cleveland.com/cityh...

http://www.policeone.com/offic...

Policing involves dealing with people who are motivated to lie; lie to the police and lie about the police. All cops hear all day long are lies lies lies and some of those lies get pointed at them. It's true that cops are less likely to abuse their position if they know they're being recorded but that also holds true for citizens lying about cops' conduct.

The net effect is complaints go down, but there are two forces giving rise to that effect; it's not just the police changing their conduct. Just sayin'

It's a known quantity.

Right. . . It is not like there are tons of new discoveries every day , right? Sorry, but your assertion is absurd. Knowing how CRISPR, itself, works in no way reduces the risk when we use it on all the stuff (you know, life on planet Earth) we barely understand.

How about we perform an experiment. . .you and I both get into fully automated cars. I allow you to randomly change binary bits of my car's programming (much like natural mutation). You allow me to randomly change source code functions, configuration values, etc. . . of your car (much like the genetic script kiddie activities you are asserting are complete harmless). Let's see who lives longest. . . : )

Nobody will be able to afford it without big on-going subsidies.

Amtrak's Acela Express makes a profit. Why would California's HSR be any different?

Unfortunately, the terminal is on the opposite side of the airport from the rail lines. A trolley spur along Harbor Drive to the terminal was studied in the 1980s but there were several problems.

The current plan is to improve pedestrian access between the Middletown station and a stop on the new shuttle service between the parking and rental car facility being built on the north side.

> "using the trick" is hardly a damning phrase,

Actually, it is. It indicates they themselves were aware of their intent to falsify. People who have real data that proves their point don't need "tricks".

> In the meantime, we have a nearly universal consensus among smart people who have really studied the issue, and who generally would rather avoid politics, that AGW is going on

What we have is a universal consensus that global warming provides an excuse for centralizing control, limiting freedom, and re-allocating resources according to liberal agendas. Of that, there is a certainty. The rest of the data - genuinely studied by "smart people" - show that Earth may be in a warming trend, that that warming trend has been grossly exaggerated for political reasons, and that modelling climate is a) extremely complex, and b) entirely inaccurate up until now - as even the "hockey stick graph" man himself, Michael Mann, now freely admits. http://www.technologyreview.co...

> Conservatives lie.

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
"If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance"
"Every family will save $2500 a year minimum"
"healthcare.gov is ready"
"there wasn't a smidgeon of evidence of the IRS targeting conservatives"
"I take the 5th" - Lois Lerner on IRS bashing conservatives
"I take the 5th" various people connected with Solyndra
"I take the 5th" Bryan Pagliano Clinton's former IT staffer who handled her private email system
"Lack of transparency is a huge advantage" Jonathon Gruber, http://www.sandiegouniontribun...
The lying and stonewalling from Obama and his crooked organization has been proven over and over, demonstrated over and over, is on-going, shameless, and reason enough to doubt what he claims to be true. He hasn't made one single right decision since his first election. Now we can add refusal to reveal secret side-agreements with Iran to his list of chicaneries.

> If you had actually made an intellectual journey like you describe, you'd be able to show me some actual evidence other than misunderstood correspondence

Who the fuck are you to to be able to sit on your high throne and judge what kind of a journey I have taken or not? You think YOU are one of those liberal "elites" that you can take a dozen words in a random context and then pontificate so wisely about an entire life? You don't know shit about my life, and you are entirely too smug in your bubble, so much so you obviously don't deign to even pretend to try to see opposing points of view. Thanks so much for that, 'Mr. Tolerance and Diversity'..

The "global warming deniers" are products of the fevered and wild imaginations of paranoid liberals. What they truly are are people who think socialism has never worked and that the available evidence of warming, human-caused or not, is a shoddy excuse to try that idiocy again.