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Come on guys...Now we all know...
That the GPL is illegal, SCO said so!
That Linus guy is probably a terrorist or something ;) -
other news
While the front page article looks like some one just felt the need to show the caldera icon once more there seem to be interesting things happening at SCO, apparently some of the investors are not that happy with the current state of events:
SCO Finalizes Agreements With Investors and Law Firms
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Santa Claus Operation
A new look for SCO - not supreme but funny enough to take a look.
sco_christmas
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We don't need no stinkin' teraflop boxes !
How to crack a (user) account with a 386SX machine in 5 minutes...
:-)
Mail to: cluelessstudent@uni.edu
From (spoofed): sysadmin@uni.edu
Reply-to: (some obscure e-mail address - preferably not hotmail or yahoo, because of possible limitations on the degree of cluelessness of the target student)
Text: "Your account has been compromised. Ugly gruesome child porn trading, nuclear weapon smuggling, MP3 downloading, Al Qaeda financed Elbonian hackers have exploited the nfs system to remotely mount the storage device containing the shadow password file(BOFH DRONE MODE ON for a few lines). Please change your password to "12345678" AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. Failure to do so may result in widespread damage to the computers, exclusion from university, seven-digits fines, lifelong emprisonment and various kind of gory sexual diseases."
Plus details about how to change their password.
Obviously the problem with this attack is that it can not be used as a root exploit (well except maybe in some specific organizations...)
Technologies come and go. Social engineering remains. Never underestimate the power of Mighty Cluelessness. -
GPL/Linux Modules?
So how does this affect hardware developers? I mean come on, are they subject to the same constraints as typical kernel developers? The main proble, as I believe Linux was trying to outline in the article, is that using any sort of licensing scheme will result in some unexpected difficulties. if you go here you will find just the sort of licensing predicament we can expect from now on.
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Re:Get on message, people
Perhaps we can all post links like Fraud similar to the Miserable Failure project.
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an original SCO joke
Checking SCO site, I couldn't find anything regarding the new 2.6 kernel, so I guess no additional fees are charged over the 2.4 kernel, you can upgrade guys with no worries.
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Re:Lessig Misquoting McBride? Huh?
So you take Newsforge as the true text of the letter, while Darl has his own version of his own letter. Who do we believe? Is it Darl's propaganda...or (gasp!) Newsforge's? And how can we prove it? This is why I hate the Internet sometimes; an astronomical amount of storage space, yet a very weak memory.
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Re:darl looks better bent over a chair anywayOn SCO's site They have identified what 3 areas that they -think- violates their agreement.
- NUMA - Non-Uniform Memory Access
- RCU--Read Copy Update
- JFS--The Journal File System
for the life of me, I can't remember -when- these items became apart of the Unix Canon
a few weeks ago, they had listed a claim that using shared libraries to emulated Unix functionality depended on technology for which they held a license. I don't recall if the BSD implementation used shared libraries, or if was developed as part of SYSV. SCO can't claim any of the tcp/ip code as an infringment, as that code was written by the BSD people independent of the standard AT&T Unix source base -
Re:Closed Letter
I particularly like this part of their site: (UnitedLinux FAQ), question 9. Apparently, at least part of SCO approves of how the Linux copyleft system works, since they are part of UnitedLinux and claim to be willing to release the sources for free download.
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Re:Lessig Misquoting McBride? Huh?Lessig quotes newsforge as the source, and there indeed the "open source advocates" do apear in the quote. So this is eighter an error of newsforge, or, SCO goofed up, but later corrects the mistake. And newsforge copies SCO's text just before SCO corrects the error.
But you are right, on SCO's site the "open source advocates" do not apear.
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Can we moderate the linked articles?
Ladies and gentlemen, I hereby moderate this truly brilliant open letter as Score:5, Troll. Bravo, Mr. McBride. You won. We all HBT. HAND.
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Its all a lie! (ObSCORant)
How can global warming have stopped when McBride is still spouting so much hot air?
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I'll go back to sleep now, or maybe work someone choose for me -
Well that sucks...
...but there's always DarlCam.
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SCO is getting one thing right
In their FAQ about buying a license, question 45 recognizes the AT&T-Berkeley settlement:
I am running BSD. Am I required to purchase a license?
No, you do not need to purchase a SCO IP license to run BSD. -
Re:I tried to give them my money...
The transcript got the URL wrong http://www.sco.com/scosource/
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Correct URL
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Re:I tried to give them my money...
Spell it correctly and it works.
http://www.sco.com/scosource/ -
Re:I tried to give them my money...
Add a trailing slash and it works
http://www.sco.com/scoscource/ -
Re:WBT: 10 SCO licenses for Honda Civic
I've got a Honda Civic I am willing to trade for 10 SCO licenses. The car runs fine, economic, 1989, 4 wheel drive, windshield is missing, no front left tire.
Forgive me for plagiarizing you, but that just got pasted into scox's feedback form and sent about 100 times...
Not that I would encourage others to do the same, nor would I encourage anybody to do it with a subject line like "Mormons are FAGS!!!" or "Darl McBride is a Gay Nigger!!"
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Re:So what?And why isn't Slashdot linking directly to SCO's homepage? Let's cost them a few bucks in bandwidth, maybe knock them offline for a bit. You know Slashdot is just another "evil Linux company" anyway.
Go check out the picture of McBride on SCO's main page. How can you take a CEO seriously when he wears a suit jacket over a t-shirt? -
Re: Why not
We were talking about ordinary businesses, not the Mafia.
Wait, there's a difference?
Daniel -
Found it.
In Search of Stupidity
Your search is over. -
Re:Slow learners
No news here if you've been keeping up the story on
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Well, actually if you've been following the case only by keeping up with /., you would think SCO was at risk simply because they were the Evil Empire, and everyone knows that the rebels blow up their death star in the end
This analysis points out that SCO might be at risk for the much more realistic reason: by the numbers, a law firm will now dictate its business agenda.
But what I can't figure out is why they think SCO is a software company . . .
Uh, maybe because they sell software? -
Software Company? Got jobs?
After reading the article I wondered if they had any software job openings posted on their website, take a look at the one Software Engineer job they have open.
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archive of wmv stream of McBride's speech
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archive of wmv stream at sco.com/cdxpo
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SCO has done it again.
The are hinting at a lawsuit against BSD...but say that BSD is clear on the linux ip license faq.
Just look at the last question. -
Re:bodyguards
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Re:Boycott SCO customers! Here are some tools!A boycott might actually have some positive effects. SCO, in a recent SEC filing, identified some of the "risks" involved in their operations. One specific risk mentioned was:
We rely on our indirect sales channel for distribution of our products, and any disruption of our channel at any level could adversely affect the sales of our products.
A first step toward a boycott would be to contact those distributors and let them know how you feel -- that you will not be doing business with them and will encourage your business associates to avoid them as well.
To that end SCO provides a list of their distributors. Here are their US distributors:
Avnet (formely Savoir)
(Offices located in Phoenix, Az; Campbell, CA; and Atlanta, GA area)
3950 Johns Creek Court, Suite 200
Suwanee, GA 30024
Phone: (800) 541-9801
URL: www.avnet.com
Email: Anne.Skelton@avnet.com
All SCO Lines Available
DTR Business Systems
1160 Centre Drive, Suite A
Walnut, CA 91789
Phone: 800-598-5721 or 909-598-5721
URL: www.dtrbus.com
Email: sales@dtrbus.com
All SCO Lines Available
Seneca Data
7401 Round Pond Road
North Syracuse, NY 13212
Phone: (800) 227-3432
URL: www.senecadata.com
Sales Contact: sales@senecadata.com
All SCO Lines Available
Tech Data
5350 Tech Data Drive
Clearwater, FL 33760
800-237-8931, 75289 option 1
URL: www.techdata.com
Email:eengel@techdata.com
All SCO Lines Available
Terian Solutions
7040 Empire Central Dr.
Houston, TX 77040-3214
Phone: 800-876-8649
URL: www.terian.com
Email:sales@terian.com
All SCO Lines Available
For those of you outside the US, you may find the distributors in your area by using SCO's list.
Go get em!
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No one eat at McDonalds!
We have to get a list of SCO's customers first. But we can start with McDonald's
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I'm confused.
Novell sold rights to SCO. SCO teamed up with SuSE through United Linux to bring Linux to the masses. Novell buys SCO's United Linux Partner so they can bring Linux to even more of the masses and therefore must be sued for competing with SCO. How can you be a competitor when you're in a partnership?
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Linux is a registered trademark of Linus TorvaldsLinus owns the trademark on Linux. That's a result of the 1996-1997 trademark dispute when a scammer fraudulently registered the trademark and lost against a community backlash when he tried threatening companies that used Linux. (See the Linux history page at linuxpicnic.org for more info.)
Sound familiar?
Ever since the trademark was assigned to Linus in the aftermath of that event, he has not withheld use of the trademarked name Linux from anyone referring to the Open Source OS. However, it is within his rights to do so.
Even SCO's legal disclaimers page acknowledges Linus as the owner the Linux trademark.
I think legal harassment of Open Source volunteers is a valid criteria to revoke permissions to use the Linux trademark.
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SCO's side of the story
SCO may have genuine IP claims on code which has found its way into Linux. Does no one think that they are at least entitled to have their side of the argument heard?
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Re:Ignore parent
I think some of the strongest arguments that IBM has are (1) the existance of the side memo that lets them off the hook, if that memo exists (big companies misplace legal documents -- it's entirely possible that SCO could have bought the contract and never been given a copy of such a side agreement),
SCO gets no help here. The side letter was given by SCO as an Exhibit C to their original complaint against IBM. Ammendment X was given as Exhibit D. SCO clearly knew about the modifications to their licensing agreement with IBM since they launched the suit. They are, contrary to all reason, trying to repudiate those modifications to the agreement, but they certainly can't claim lack of knowledge or fabrication on the part of IBM.
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Re:Ignore parent
I think some of the strongest arguments that IBM has are (1) the existance of the side memo that lets them off the hook, if that memo exists (big companies misplace legal documents -- it's entirely possible that SCO could have bought the contract and never been given a copy of such a side agreement),
SCO gets no help here. The side letter was given by SCO as an Exhibit C to their original complaint against IBM. Ammendment X was given as Exhibit D. SCO clearly knew about the modifications to their licensing agreement with IBM since they launched the suit. They are, contrary to all reason, trying to repudiate those modifications to the agreement, but they certainly can't claim lack of knowledge or fabrication on the part of IBM.
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Nominate A Robot
Robot Name: Darl McBride
Robot Link: Darl McBride
Reason:Darl McBride should be considered for induction to the Robot Hall of Fame for his wonderful example of autonomous operation in the face of outstanding obstacles. If placed in the same position, any lesser robot would seg fault and dump core, but not Darl. He fearlessly plugs away at his thankless job, pressing the PR button. Hopefully, the twillight of solid-state death will not come to this robot too soon, and when it does, may it come suddenly, like a fast-burning fuse popping. Until such time, let's raise our soldiering irons to this icon -nay, this paragon of robotic execution that is Darl Mc Bride and immortalize him in the Robot Hall of Fame.
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Check out the third paragraph too...Novell today also announced that IBM intends to make a $50 million investment in Novell
Now that is a very interesting number indeed!
And I think it sends a very powerful message to all those businesses out there that are succumbing to the SCO FUD (hey can we shorten that to SCUD!). IBM are basically putting their money where they're mouth is to show their confidence in the future of Linux. Nice one. -
Site is not that secure.If you go to ftp.sco.com you are asked for a userid and pw. Just leave everything blank and press OK and you are in. So did they remove the IP license? There is Legal Notice in the Root Dir:
NOTICE: SCO has suspended new sales and distribution of SCO Linux until the intellectual property issues surrounding Linux are resolved. SCO will, however, continue to support existing SCO Linux and Caldera OpenLinux customers consistent with existing contractual obligations. SCO offers at no extra charge to its existing Linux customers a SCO UNIX IP license for their use of prior SCO or Caldera distributions of Linux in binary format. The license also covers binary use of support updates distributed to them by SCO. This SCO license balances SCO's need to enforce its intellectual property rights against the practical needs of existing customers in the marketplace. The Linux rpms available on SCO's ftp site are offered for download to existing customers of SCO Linux, Caldera OpenLinux or SCO UnixWare with LKP, in order to honor SCO's support obligations to such customers.
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Don't forget to refresh a couple of times
And again, and again..
Nothing illegal about that.. -
Re:I can't see they break the GPL
THAT is a violation of the GPL
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Re:That's right
Hilarious. Here's a link to the largest file in the directory, I suggest everyone download it once or twice for off-site archival purposes. And I do mean everyone. http://linuxupdate.sco.com/scolinux/SRPMS/ldp-200
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Re:That's rightTry THIS one!
Substring search, baby.
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Re:That's rightUnconvenient. Try search for "GPL Violation" instead.
Sebastian
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Re:That's right
Err, are we meant to be able to download from their 'password restricted download site' ?
If you just dont enter a username or password you can get at everything. whats going on there?
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Re:That's right
Serving up html is one thing do a full phrase seach is another
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Re:That's right
Mirror Here!
Er, is this a bad place to start karma whoring? -
Re:what are the more restrictive terms?
It's not online. You have to get it from a sales rep or call their number to get it
(from: http://www.sco.com/scosource/linuxlicense.html) -
Hmm, can I sue SCO now?Just finished a quick bit of research and found a couple of interesting things...
1) I can download Caldera OpenLinux ISO images from here.
2) The SCO "register to access downloads" feature is a bunch of crap. Wander on over to Caldera's FTP site and download the source RPMs at will, the legal notice notwithstanding.So, what happens if I install OpenLinux 3.1.1 workstation on my box at home (it is free and I have a spare machine I'm not using) and SCO closes the Caldera website down? If I go to SCO and say I need the sources, they ask "Are you a Caldera customer, I say, 'No, I am using a free downloaded version of OpenLinux 3.1.1' and they reply "You need to buy a SCO Linux License.", I think I have the grounds at that point to sue them for violation of the GPL's terms of distribution since they cannot deny me the sources on a product they distributed just because I didn't buy it.
Also, here is a fun page on SCO's own website OpenLinux Supplemental Open Source Software. Hmm, does IBM need some more ammunition provided by SCO themselves?
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SCO *already* infringed copyrights of GPL'd code!Paragraph 28 of IBM's counterclaim:
28. SCO accepted the terms of the GPL by modifying and distributing Linux products. By distributing Linux products under the GPL, SCO agreed, among other things, not to assert -- indeed, it is prohibited from asserting -- certain proprietary rights over any programs distributed by SCO under the terms of the GPL. SCO also agreed not to restrict further distribution of any programs distributed by SCO under the terms of the GPL.
The response from SCO's lawyers in their answer to IBM's counterclaim:
28. Denies the allegations of [paragraph] 28.
They asserted a blanket denial of that paragraph, including SCO's acceptance of the GPL. While the GPL states that you don't have to accept the license, nothing else would give SCO a valid license to distribute copyrighted works of others licensed under the GPL. Since SCO's court filing (quoted above) indicates that they did not accept the GPL. However, without accepting the GPL, SCO had no valid license to distributed the copyrighted works covered under the GPL!
I am not a lawyer, but it appears to me that SCO has admitted in a court document (quoted above) that they did not accept the GPL -- couldn't this court document could be used as evidence for any Linux copyright owner to sue SCO for willful copyright infringement? How could SCO possibly worm their way out of this one without perjury? -
Well that just about says it all ...
Link to http://www.sco.com/products/linux/ from their homepage, returns a 403:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /products/linux/ on this server.
Well feh.