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Republicans don't deny access to healthcare;

They do. Not only that, they expressly support the idea of banning not just abortion, but their rhetoric is encouraging pharmacists to refuse to dispense medication.

That's the consequence of their "moral conscience" and "religious liberty" approach.

they just don't want to pay for others having a procedure they disagree with.

Nope. They want to outlaw those procedures. Or even just having a miscarriage.

I disagree with elective abortion, so I don't want my tax dollars to pay for you to have an elective abortion.

And I don't want my tax dollars wasted opposing a person getting an abortion that's being paid for privately.

Are you going to refund me? No? Why not?

How about the thousands of other things I don't want the government doing with my tax dollars? No, you won't even listen to my grievances about the fault system of elections so I'm effectively unrepresented in those discussions?

Huh. Pardon me for giving little credence to your demands then, since you don't reciprocate.

I am against making abortion illegal because there are some situations I agree with abortion (such as a pregnancy which resulted from rape, or cases where either the mother's or fetus' life is in severe jeopardy).

As Republicans will tell you, those are elective too. Remember, if it was legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting it down.

The Catholic Church is against contraceptives, so they don't want to pay from health insurance which pays for contraceptives, but that doesn't stop their employees from buying supplemental insurance or paying retail for contraceptives.

The Catholic Church doesn't get to decide what healthcare I get, even if they employ me. They are a church. We do not let churches govern lives. And you won't find an insurer that doesn't want to cover contraceptives. It's actually cheaper. Why does the Catholic Church get to increase my costs as a potential employee, or an insurer's costs?

What gives them that right to impose expenses upon me do to their religious dogma?

And the Catholic Church isn't even as bad a bunch of liars as the Quiverful movement. Now that group is taking a lot of welfare money. Not to mention the whole adoption business they want to control.

The country is so divided that you parrot your party's talking points without determining the validity of the claims.

Your mind is so blinded that you can't even admit the Republican Party's own dogma or how invalid its claims are.

They are committed to their agenda, and they brazenly lie about it. And it's not limited to abortion, they do the same with immigration, voting, same-sex marriage, public schools, and more.

Maybe you need to do some checking. Here's a suggestion, contact some Republic

"Tesla in Autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser" A Tesla sedan in Autopilot mode crashed into a parked Laguna Beach Police Department vehicle Tuesday morning, authorities said. The collision happened at 11:07 a.m. at 20652 Laguna Canyon Road, according to Laguna Police Sgt. Jim Cota. The officer was not in the cruiser at the time of the crash. The Tesla driver suffered minor injuries, but refused transportation to the hospital. “Thankfully there was not an officer at the time in the police car,” Cota said. “The police car is totaled.” http://www.latimes.com/local/l... "Tesla in Autopilot sped up before Utah crash, police report says" A new police report says a Tesla that crashed in Utah while in Autopilot mode accelerated just before it smashed into a stopped firetruck. https://www.sltrib.com/news/20...

http://archive.sltrib.com/arti...

We need that in the United States too.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/499...

and that's why.

Let's be honest, it's an open secret that the Linux kernel contains large sections of copyrighted code from SCO UNIX.

Let's be honest: that is a lie. When given the chance to present any evidence, SCO has refused. What was uncovered by the open source was revealed to be 1) not from SCO or 2) not in Linux.

For those familiar with both collections of source code, it was generally assumed that SCO would win their lawsuit, and simply a question of what the fallout would be.

For those familiar to the collections of source code, that is another lie. When SCO commissioned a study before the lawsuit to compare their source code to Linux, their own analysis revealed nothing.

Although dismissed out of hand by IBM and members of the open source community who were constantly moving the goalposts, SCO did provide a comprehensive list of source files and line numbers in Linux that matched portions of SCO UNIX.

Lie #3": Judge Wells dismissed 2/3s of their case because SCO did not provide specificity.

The fact is, SCO's claims of copyright violations by Linux developers and users were valid, factual, and completely legal.

Lie #4: Novell was found to by a court be the copyright holder of Unix and thus SCO did not have standing to sue. Thus it was not legal in any sense.

To this day, the Linux kernel contains large sections of copyrighted code that came straight from SCO UNIX.

Lie #5: Considering that the trial has not revealed these "sections" are I would have to rely on IBM's expert testimony that said SCO botched their code comparison tests when they said lines that remotely were not similar were similar, I'd have to think SCO is lying.

The open source community generally is vocal in favoring the "little guy" against large corporations like Microsoft and Google, whose motives and actions are frequently called into question.

Considering Google is a frequent contributor to Linux, I would say you don't know what you're talking about.

It's bemoaned that the so-called little guy is unlikely to stand a chance against the massive and well-funded legal teams retained by large corporations.

Lie #6: SCO sued IBM. It was not the other way around. At the start of the trial most Linux experts and insiders looked at SCO's claims and declared them bullshit because SCO accused them of stealing code when they had wrote most of it themselves.

This is for good reason, that everyone should be entitled to the same rights, regardless of their ability to afford top notch legal teams.

Lie #7: SCO hired a top notch legal team: they simply had no case.

SCO was the little guy compared to IBM, a small company with limited resources simply trying to ensure their copyrights were protected.

Again, SCO hired a top notch legal firm and were suing for rights they didn't own as Novell owned them.

IBM squashed them like a bug, not because the lawsuit was invalid.

False dichotomy: IBM squashed them like a bug because SCO's case was weak.

In fact, SCO's claims of copyright infringement are generally accepted as mostly correct.

Lie #8: No one following the case thinks that.

Rather, IBM had the legal resources to draw out legal battles and win a war of attrition against SCO, no matter the validity of the claims.

Lie #9: The record shows SCO was the one using delaying tactics. In fact, judges in their cases called them out repeatedly for trying a number of tactics like claiming that Oracle and Intel did not provide deposition testimony before deadlines: Oracle and Intel responded that SCO properly served them requesting depos

Trump is selling "Inauguration membership cards" from his official presidencial campaign. With this video popping up December 9th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Has he divested his foreign businesses yet like he promised? No? Has he closed his offshore accounts yet? No. Has he put his US business into a blind trust yet? No.

But you can be sure he has a big press outrage thing planned to draw attention away from his own expired deadline to do this.

Meanwhile in Democrat-land, senator Harry Reid apparently took a $2 million bribe from online poker companies to enact online poker legislation.

An investigation was started, but was "stymied" by the federal government, frustrating prosecutors who actually wanted to investigate and prosecute corruption.

Senator Reid (Democrat, Nevada) apparently owns, or is searchlight holdings, a holding company in the Marshall Islands.

Democrats are quick to point out how Trump should divest himself from everything he owns, which are above-board in-country real estate holdings.

But a Democratic senator owning a holding company in the Marshall Islands is OK. Right?

Is that what you're saying?

My only hope is, that Amazon doesn't ever open a distribution or other brick and mortar physical presence in my state, and force me to start paying sales tax for purchases from them.

Don't hold your breath. Utah just negotiated a deal with Amazon to voluntarily collect sales taxes for the state even through Amazon does not have a physical presence in Utah. In return, Amazon gets to keep 1.31% of taxes collected (with allowances of up to 18% according to the law).

With $29 million unpaid sales taxes for Amazon sales to Utah in 2015, that's $400,000 of free money for Amazon. This kind of deal will spread like wildfire to other states.

Why Bernard? He's not running anymore.

At least Evan McMullin (of who I know little) is at least leading in one state (something which I do not believe can be said about any other 3rd party candidate): http://www.sltrib.com/news/448...

It is common sense but, in the end, the person who tried to do this ended up being fired!

Keep in mind that the situation is way worse for the sailors, who will be competing inside of Guanabara Bay. This is what the water looks like. It is not unusual for sailors to get in contact with water - particularly, in the case of windsurfers. Check out what happened to this German sailor in a training event last year.

...and then, of course, there is the security situation.

The whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.

While the Automation kick is an interesting angle, lets not forget what actually killed Hostess -- vulture capitalists. These are Mitt Romney style assholes who swooped in, loaded the company up with debt, then pawned it off after leeching all the money out. Somehow though, it's not embezzlement when an investment company does it.

But it gets worse. The unions that took the blame? They were having their workers give upwards of a THIRD of their paychecks just to try and save the company they helped build. And that just caused the vultures to trade the company around more and more.

That leaves the unions in one corner and the hedge funds and Hostess management in the other. Management ordered the company to stop contributing to the union pension funds, ignoring their obligations under collective bargaining agreements. They have demanded a new round of concessions, which would have doubled insurance premiums, negated all pension obligations, and slashed pay by 27 to 32 percent. Again, the 14-year Hostess bakery veteran: “Remember how I said I made $48,000 in 2005 and $34,000 last year? I would make $25,000 in five years if I took their offer. It will be hard to replace the job I had, but it will be easy to replace the job they were trying to give me.”

So yeah, the automation is interesting, but lets not forget what brought us to this point. Vultures bought the company, embezzeled a shitload by loading on bad debt and pawning the company of as well as flat out stealing from the pension fund, and passing the buck to the next leech until they couldn't pass it any further. And now instead of having good quality Wonder Bread and tasty, if not exactly healthy, sweets like the Twinkie, we get mass produced automated crap.

The local Hostess bakery re-branded as a Franz, and the quality is really good. They also have a direct-from-the-baker storefront that you can go in and get bread at a huge discount. Oh, and they're union and pay their workers a good wage -- around $17 an hour starting.

As I said the last time this came up, no American should EVER support Union Busting. Hostess is dead to me, and besides You can clone a twinkie pretty easily, which lets you do stuff like a fresh baked chocolate twinkie with cherry filling.

In Utah, a man was arrested for taking pics holding his kid
http://www.deseretnews.com/art...

17 days later, charges finally dropped....
http://archive.sltrib.com/stor...

Sure he got off, but the damage to this man is without end.

Still pursuing his millions, at least in 2013:

http://archive.sltrib.com/stor...

Ropes and nets can work for hunting, too.

It's too late for a ten year old boy though.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/305...

Another approach would be to REMOVE ALL PENALTIES FOR SHOOTING ANYONE THAT IS CARRYING A GUN. That would be an incentive for police to use other methods since they wouldn't be excluded. They apparently can use fear as justification for shooting - others experience fear too.

Also, gun ownership should bring automatic signup for the draft. Can you say Syria?

Gun owners, vendors, and manufacturers should also be held liable, and required to be heavily insured if they aren't rich.

I reckon an active shooter standing in a crowd becomes a clear target very quickly as the people around him either 1) get shot and fall down, or 2) run away. There's a lot more than "zero chance".

Though not quite the same situation, my personal anecdote is of an incident a few years back at my local grocery store where a man went on a knifing spree at the exit. He only managed to stab two people before being stopped by a shopper carrying a concealed pistol. Although in this case, the assailant was not shot and surrendered instead. I would say there were many people grateful for the armed shopper that day.

How about we not have a war on inanimate objects and instead focus on preventing mentally disturbed people from committing random acts of violence?

The Utah legislature has thought about not supplying water

http://www.sltrib.com/news/184...

I think someone is suffering from Two-Tone Perception Disorder - the inability to process the idea that it's okay to criticise something and still enjoy it, and also to appreciate that criticism of one thing is not criticism of all things forever.

Have you watched a Sarkeesian video? Her work is very simple, and incredibly inoffensive. It's not even strong criticism - she goes out of her way to say that the tropes she highlights are lazy and can reinforce sexist ideals, not that the games or developers themselves are sexist. Think of it as someone just being disappointed that we haven't done better. However, some fairly vicious bigots have told you what she really thinks (because nothing says sexism like denying a woman her own opinion), and GG have lapped it up because they don't want anything to change, without really working out that this isn't a zero-sum game where CoD and Hitman cannot exist at the same time as Gone Home and Depression Quest.

I've yet to see anyone in GamerGate succeed in criticising Sarkeesian's work in the literary sense. Anything that aspires to that not-so-lofty level is all ad hominem attacks, and cherry picking the single Hitman example I hear over and over to discredit the entire work. However, if you can point to well-constructed criticism of Anita Sarkeesian by a GGer, I'll be glad to have that discussion with you. Bear in mind that I have watched most of the work of people like Thunderf00t, MundaneMatt, Ralph and the regular responses from GG people, so you'll have to actually come up with something I haven't seen - those are not good examples of criticism, for reasons that many other people have explored at length and I seriously don't have the space to go into here.

As it stands, as has been stated elsewhere, the fact that Anita Sarkeesian is being threatened at all shows gaming has a real problem. Whether these people are GG or not (and in at least some cases, they definitely are), this is a response to her criticising games, and it needs to stop, and people need to fucking grow up.

The predominant native US movements using terrorist tactics are all right wing. Assassinating doctors at medical clinics providing abortion services. The truck bomb attack in Oklahoma City against a federal office building. The threats against BLM officials in Nevada and Utah. Militia movements./a> Posse Comitatus threatening violence to government officials.

Left wing violence is a thing of the past. You're flogging a dead horse. Environmental extremism is nowhere near the levels it was in the 70's through the mid 80's. When Greenpeace goes out and makes trouble it's not in the US, it's going against Japanese whaling ships. They may get funding from the US, but not doing much to get arrested here.

There are no radioactive scorpions with commie mind control venom lurking under your house. Maybe if you were taking the right meds the paranoia would abate and you would not live in such a distorted and fearful universe. It might even be simpler then taking prescription drugs. For a first step, try leaving your parents basement and watch something else besides Fox News. At least it would be a change...

A contract is one thing, having a line buried in your website's Terms of Use that states "By using this website you agree to not post any bad reviews about us anywhere" is another thing. In the case of the former, it's an agreement entered into by two parties where both had the opportunity to review the terms of the contract. In the case of the latter, it is a weak attempt to silence disgruntled customers. (See the KlearGear case posted above.)

Here is an example from my home state, Utah:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/n...

This crap is actually happening a lot! Its one of the rare instances where I hope the nation follows Cali.

This is why there is a fight right now about the proposed pipeline from The Basin to Salt Lake to transport the waxy crude.

The pipeline has to be heated to keep the "oil" from congealing:
"Uinta’s black wax crude must remain above 95 degrees and yellow wax above 115 degrees or it’s liable to congeal."

The proposed pipeline would cross several of the watersheds where those that live along the Wasatch Front get their drinking water.

So the question is, what is more important, a stable supply of drinking water, or the ability of a small minority to make even more money from refining waxy crude?

Hmm, well since you specifically spoke out against polygamist and called them all immoral (and other poor stereotypes), I'd say that you are the liar in context of this thread.

Again with this morality thing? What can you possible establish as moral in your analogy? You've already accepted (by silence) that 198 murdered children by a serial killer is fine as long as it promotes the gay and possibly IRS agendas. How can you possibly establish any moral ground after that? Morality, if anything in America, should be the ability to live as you want to live. Gay marriage is from this ilk. You suggest that polygamists be denied these rights based upon how an already corrupt tax-collection agency is going to react to the issue. Boo hoo.

Let's start with your example. For what one member of that FLDS church did against the law the community property worth $34.5 million was stripped from the church. That means all of the members, even the victims, were fined for the actions of a few; and the government, much like in the case of the War on Drugs, does not give back confiscated property. If your nephew gets caught smoking a joint on your property and the wrong judge hears the case -- so much for your property.

Moving on to the most famous case fitting the scope you asked. Short Creek, Arizona was the largest mass arrest of polygamists in modern times. The Short Creek raid took place on July 26, 1953. Over 100 reporters were invited to the raid. Arizona Governor John Howard Pyle initially called the raid "a momentous police action against insurrection" and described the Mormon fundamentalists as participating in "the foulest conspiracy you could possibly imagine" that was designed to produce "white slaves. He accused the compund of rape and bigamy and other issues, like most raids of this type do to sway public opinion. The reporters had a different take.

In the words of a reporter from the Arizona Republic (1953-07-28):

By what stretch of the imagination could the actions of the Short Creek children be classified as insurrection? Were those teenagers playing volleyball in a school yard inspiring a rebellion? Insurrection? Well, if so, an insurrection with diapers and volleyballs

In Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought a reporter suggested that the raid's "only American parallel is the federal actions against Native Americans in the nineteenth century.

Time Magazine covered the event and was amazed that the government even cared what a small unincorporated community with no economic standing could plausibly be acting in insurrection to the state.

Much like the Short Creek incident, your example displayed how the government used the actions of a small minority to destroy the lifestyles of hundreds of families, including confiscating their property and denying them parental rights by association. The article, Polygamous crackdown echoes 1953 Short Creek arrests shows how the setup is used to destroy marriage rights from communities, denying them fundamental liberties.

Maybe we should decide on how to fulfill fundamental liberties instead of whether the IRS has a problem with tax forms. But, of course, you've already stated that your form of morality allows anything that keeps your jack-booted thug masters in power.

To sum it up, Provo gave up millions of dollars a year in revenue for the opportunity to have Google come to town and charge them for the same Internet that they already had for free while simultaneously offending all business owners by kicking them off the network and sticking them with the bill.

Sure they did. According to this story, Provo was paying over $3 million annually just in debt service on this fiber (called "iProvo") and losing money on the service even ignoring those bond payments. It might have had "millions of dollars a year in revenue", but it was a net loss.

Google now owns the $40M fiber network that they paid $1 for

Sounds like iProvo was such a money sink that Provo would have paid someone to take it on - even ignoring the bonds. That's not the sign of a $40 million asset, but of a considerable liability.

You criticize Obama, it's probably because you're a racist.

Approval ratings prove it:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/w...

The only reason Obama is hated is because he is a black man.

At least, that's what my television tells me.

so do we still need the new 1.2 billion USD data centers?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/57281931-90/agency-center-changes-data.html.csp

I wonder if the Finns report Ammattikoulu (dumb kids' school) test scores or just Lukio (smart kids' school)? I know every other country that has a vocational vs. academic track pulls that bullshit on these international test rankings.

The US states that don't have unionized teachers are also the states that do the worst on measures of education.

Only according to the cherries you pick. Let me show you just how bullshit it all is. Let's take Utah, for example.
Utah's education is annually ranked one of the 10 worst states as far as education goes. (This site interestingly puts Virginia as 4th best in the nation -- Isn't Virginia supposed to be one of your "worst" states?)
Yet, somehow, Utah kids are testing in the top 10 states when it comes to the ACT/SATs and Utah somehow shows up at #4 for state enlightenment index. 10 years later, it scored square in the middle... So according to the rankings, Utah's all over the board. It's at the top. It's at the bottom. It's in the middle. It's 100% inconsistent. The reports are done by companies and organizations that have something to gain by telling people that schools are failing, so you cannot take their word for it, and since all peer review shows wildly inconsistent data, education rankings must be declared as ultimate bullshit. You, sir, are full of it.

One of these sets of numbers is smaller than the other. Determing which is left as an exercise for the reader.

One of these sets of numbers is missing a whole host of related costs: i.e. the lengthy appeals process that almost all prisoners subject to the death penalty attempt, staff costs, amortized costs of fixed capital like the electric chair itself.

This is why the last time that someone was killed by firing squad in the US, the execution alone cost $165,000 -- well over the mere $5 you quote. Utah estimates that it costs them $1.6 million more to execute a prisoner than to hold them for life without parole.

Not only do you drastically underestimate the cost of the death penalty, but you also drastically overestimate the cost of life without parole (LWOP). California spends an average of $47,000 per prisoner/year. Texas is even cheaper at about $17,000 per prisoner. Neither is anywhere near $200,000.

I would say he is barely doing his job. "one Gwinnett County police officer has given more tickets for texting and driving than any other officer in the state." What he found is an easy way to sit back and just barely do his job. Instead of catching people speeding down suburb streets, or catching people jumping from lane to lane, or disobeying school zones. You have a person going after people that are doing something in the least dangerous activity in a car. They are texting while the car is SITTING still. It's not moving at all. That is not the purpose behind the law. And his job consists of more than just finding a bunch of people stuck behind a three minute light. He should be stopping people from speeding near parks or schools, doing dangerous lane changes, drunk driving, stopped on highways, running red lights, or being snobs in hybrid cars. He should not be hobby horsing texting tickets to get his numbers up or he could wind up like this girl. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56526834-78/steed-uhp-fox-court.html.csp By the way. touches “If it’s beyond 10, they're not making a phone call," Myers said. one touch to swipe the phone open, put in passcode - 4 to 6 touches, open phone app, type in seven digit number with the 1 in front. Hit the call button. Thats 17 for a normal call and does not include looking for an elusive contact.

Once all or most scientists were republicans.

Now almost all of them are democrats.

What changed? The scientists or the political parties?

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/56795477-90/science-scientists-gop-http.html.csp

What world do you live in? Police don't just raid a house because of some tag on Google Earth. What nonsense. You think we have a fleet of detectives monitoring Facebook in case someone posts "committin' a crime right naw!" And we announce ourselves so the homeowner would have no doubt it's the police and not some "intruder breaking down their door at 3am."!

What world do you live in sir? Clearly not the same one the rest of us do.

http://www.cato.org/raidmap
http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/cops-kill-dog-handcuff-kids-in-wrong-house-raid/
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55875924-78/lake-salt-landvatter-police.html.csp
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/26/nyregion/raids-and-complaints-rise-as-city-draws-on-drug-tips.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
http://www.wave3.com/story/1495631/false-tip-leads-police-to-raid-house-of-sleeping-family?clienttype=printable

and just because you are wearing a badge and say you are the police doesn't mean that you are

http://www.khou.com/news/local/HPD-Police-impersonators-using-fake-raids-to-rob-illegal-game-rooms-135144963.html

And your suggestion that the police do not read online sources or respond to tips that might come from them is also quite absurd

http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/25/the-saga-of-travis-corcoran

"We don’t tax the federal government," Mayfield explained to a Utah Senate committee March 7. "So what this bill does is tax Rocky Mountain Power and then gives them the ability to pass that on as an increase in their energy bills. So we collect an equivalent of what would have been a tax on the federal government."

Who cares unless you live in Utah or in a monastery?

However the Utah thing is relevant as they watch more porn per capita than anywhere else in the U.S....

I thought you were kidding, but it's true.

Do I infer correctly?

No.

Haha, it's your right to be as laconic as you wish. However, it doesn't really grant any insight. I'm left to infer that you are okay with the government having your personal information (e.g. name, address, demographics, income records, etc) and are *not* okay with the government likely recording the entirety of everyone's electronic communications. What's your personal cutoff in terms of comfort with the government? What's your perspective on data tracking schemes like this: DEA wants to scan all license plates on Utah's 'drug corridor'?

Can you think of a reason why the other people on the road with you might have a compelling interest to have some connection between a car rolling down the highway and the owner's address?

What, to assist stalkers? To allow a person to track down the home of someone who cut them off in traffic accidentally? Haha, if you're probing for a "law enforcement" angle response, I'm unconvinced having home address information is necessary data. For example, hit and run accidents are already a felony and the police often solve these crimes without license plate data.

Besides, I don't believe the automobile/owner home address link is being so forcefully established for that reason (ie. it's welcomed, but is a side effect): they are building the national Real ID system and want confirmed home addresses for everyone within their database. Because driving/car ownership is a practically-essential aspect of life in the US (save for within the densest of urban areas), they are assured of a high level of population compliance in obtaining the data.

How about a more neutral example: are you comfortable with the government requiring banks to know/record your home address and report it on demand? Opening a bank account or brokerage account requires essentially the same level of proof of domicile that the DMV requires now. I can't really think of a "hit and run" type possible justification for linking domicile to financial accounts.

You know, if you looked at that link about the Census then you saw the scanned images of a few of documents prepared by the Census department that were used by the FBI to round up the Japanese. My reaction was, "Wow, someone had to type all that out. Things are so much more efficient now." I would prefer it if we, as a society, didn't make this easier.

I appreciate your responses; I understand we are unlikely to agree, but I do wish to understand the philosophy of others and share my own. It's far too simplistic to write off those with a different perspective via a caricature of their position.

In 2011, the Romneys donated about 29% of their income to charity – $4 million out of their total $13.7 million in income. For 2010, they donated about 13.8% of their income, $2.98 million out of $21.6 million. Over a 20-year period, the Romneys gave to charity an average of 13.45% of their adjusted gross income, according to an accountants’ letter they provided on Friday. -- Romney’s Taxes: A Window Into Charitable Giving

Would you care to break down how much of that donation goes to the Church of Latter Day Saints? (If it helps, the tithe is supposed to be 10% of income...)

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/54943992-90/campaign-charitable-church-income.html.csp

No doubt many Mormons are stricter than the official rules. I've known Mormons who avoided caffeine in any form. It makes sense that if coffee and tea are unMormon, other caffeinated beverages are too. But here's the official LDS word: caffeinated soda is kosher.

solar panel to power a small peltier cooler, dumping the heat outside the vehicle with a small exhaust fan?
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2841984

A study by a Harvard Business School professor shows that Utah outpaces the more conservative states -- which all tend to purchase more Internet porn than other states.

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_11821265

They are coming back as UnXis, and they are still asserting that Linux is infringing their intellectual property, including the McBride letter:
http://www.sco.com/5reasons/#5

It's a coventure between Stephen Norris Capital Partners and MerchantBridge Group. Stephen Norris' biography includes the former presidency of the Carlyle Group, who tried to invest in SCO in 1998, in a deal netting his group 51% ownership with a court filing that included the statement "provides that the reorganized SCO will pursue the Novell/IBM litigation and other pending litigation claims aggressively,".
http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_8267122

MerchantBridge Group is a very deep wallet:
http://www.mbih.com/
Eric le Blan of MerchantBridge is Chairman at UnXis.

I do not expect this saga is over.

There is absolutely no way some guy firing rounds into any kind of grass caused a fire. I want proof.

See the Salt Lake City Tribune article. The people who started the fire by shooting tried to put it out, then called 911 to report the fire. But by then it was too late.

They may not be subject to criminal charges, but they still have civil liability. They'll be sued for millions of dollars.

The DEA is apparently installing cameras along some freeways.

I did a little searching, and decided not to moderate on this article. Here's a news article saying they were adding millimeter-wave scanners at Salt Lake City, so the summary/title is correct. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/50590050-79/tsa-scanner-airport-body.html.csp

You mean Medicare, not Medicaid, which is for the very poor or terminally ill.

The big prize here would be any Children's SSN's. Those are valuable for identity fraud because children have clean credit histories, and it takes months-to-years for the parents to figure it out.

I suspect "Anonymous" may be at work here, they've attacked Utah government and police sites before. They seem to support free speech, unless it's free speech they don't like, then it should be destroyed. Ironically, not only did they attack the wrong police department (Salt Lake City, not West Valley City), but they took down the site that allows the public to talk to the police. But I guess as long as you destroy something and screw up people's lives, that's good news for them.

You mean Medicare, not Medicaid, which is for the very poor or terminally ill.

The big prize here would be any Children's SSN's. Those are valuable for identity fraud because children have clean credit histories, and it takes months-to-years for the parents to figure it out.

I suspect "Anonymous" may be at work here, they've attacked Utah government and police sites before. They seem to support free speech, unless it's free speech they don't like, then it should be destroyed. Ironically, not only did they attack the wrong police department (Salt Lake City, not West Valley City), but they took down the site that allows the public to talk to the police. But I guess as long as you destroy something and screw up people's lives, that's good news for them.

What state lost $2.5M to stupid Nigerian "You have been selected to win $100M dollars!" scams?

Nooo! No way. You are kidding me. That cannot be serious.

What's the "Most religious state?" What's the most Republican state? What state can't host the Olympics without embarrassing the USA with their corruption? What state lost $2.5M to stupid Nigerian "You have been selected to win $100M dollars!" scams? What state bans effective sex-ed? Banning D&D in public schools... polygamy... and these people are too innocent to know that the religious right GOP crowd they want to join knows for sure that every Mormon will burn in Hell.

And after yet another epic f--kup, I have to listen to posts like this... on an article about how Utah can't keep track of their Medicare records, and this somehow is an opportunity to blame Obamacare? Give me a break.

Yes well, while everybody here is crying about tracking and suicides, the government has much more important issues to deal with... Focus people...

First I have heard of it as well. I suppose John Inglish wasn't making money fast enough so UTA decided to have a payment system so we can deposit money directly into his personal account. But this would explain the 25% rise in fares.

Some background on UTA and Utahs public transportation system for those that live outside of Utah:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700025866/UTA-executive-John-Inglishs-salary-is-top-among-public-transportation-executives.html

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51490724-76/2013-base-fare-fares.html.csp

There are a lot of "message" bills this year. None can top being the first state with an official gun emblem. Picking a handgun was really a missed opportunity to go big. If you want a gun, then pick a real gun!

More Irony...
The governor's state of the state address opened the discussion of whether Utah should consider building its first nuclear power plant along the Green River. This form of power generation is water intensive in this arid desert. It is estimated that the plant would vaporize 60000 acre-ft annually. Going nuclear is especially ironic, considering the abundant solar energy available that could be captured on the dry lake bed of ancient Lake Bonneville. To say that they "don't get it" here, is an understatement.

There are a lot of "message" bills this year. None can top being the first state with an official gun emblem. Picking a handgun was really a missed opportunity to go big. If you want a gun, then pick a real gun!

More Irony...
The governor's state of the state address opened the discussion of whether Utah should consider building its first nuclear power plant along the Green River. This form of power generation is water intensive in this arid desert. It is estimated that the plant would vaporize 60000 acre-ft annually. Going nuclear is especially ironic, considering the abundant solar energy available that could be captured on the dry lake bed of ancient Lake Bonneville. To say that they "don't get it" here, is an understatement.

.. and just as important, and relevant to Slashdot readers, if not more so..

The governor signed a bill to limit access to government records...

Now, I really don't give a shit what happens in Utah, but we should demand that all their representatives are removed from all national committees in Congress. His name is unmentionable..

That's why that guy in Salt Lake shot the server!

Are you talking about this?

That's hilarious. My favorite part is that he's getting charged for "carrying a dangerous weapon while under the influence" -- oh, sure, carry dangerous weapons all you want, but no drinking.

Hell, I didn't even think you could drink in Utah. Might that not lead to dancing or something? :-P