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What about Windows 8, that's what I have. It's still got plenty of time left for support. This is maybe Microsoft's way of saying "maybe we could support you, but we won't because we hate you."

Just business, Win10 is 55%, Win7 34%, Win8+8.1 9% and 2.5% still run XP/Vista. Still I wonder why the heck Microsoft would bother in their final year of support, it's either a trap to make it buggy and force people to Win10 or they're having cold feet and is considering a "Windows Classic" version? I mean 34% still prefer your ten year old OS and you even tried to give them a "free" upgrade? It's pretty clear the market thinks Win7 works just fine...

There seem to be some kind of major correction in mid-November, but the overall trend still looks like a slow decline to single digit on the desktop and ~0% on mobile so under 5% overall.

This is the worldwide market share of OSs since the launch of Windows 10.

Note that, in so far as Windows has lost market share, it's lost it almost exclusively to Android - which slurps data far more than Windows. Linux has never yet breached the 1% threshold.

If you look at FF's market share, they have been on a consistent slide down ever since they dropped the old chrome/XUL addons. Their market share was holding steady at or above 6% before then, but they are now below 5% and have fallen more behind each month since they were dropped in Dec, 2017.

• Chrome: 61.77
• Safari: 15.09
• Firefox: 4.92
• UC Browser: 4.22
• Opera: 3.15
• ie 2.81

Their market share is solidly under 5% now. When they decided to kill the chrome/xul-based addons last year, they have been losing what little market share they had. What they say really doesn't matter anymore.

Ie is currently at 2.8% and edge at 2.15% of market share. Why are they bothering to make another browser? They have clearly lost and are wasting their time and money on this.

Fix your current mound of security bugs to demonstrate you have the ability to make a secure API, and then you might be able to convince people you have the ability to actually make it secure.

Google doesn't have to "convince people they have the ability to make it secure".

They don't have to convince anybody of shit.

Now that they own the browser market, and increasingly the transport layers and server-side components too, they just have to roll it out.

Whatever Google says is a standard, is a standard.

Everybody else is a rounding error.

Maybe instead of criticizing others they should concentrate on their massive market share loss and why they are at 5.02% when they were once around 30%?

The problem is WebExtensions APIs doesn't allow you to write "real" extensions, and a lot of what could previously be done is no longer possible. Want to add a status bar? Forget it! Want to fix the search box to restore it to usability? No chance! Want to customise the UI in some other way? Not permitted!

Aside from the limitations on what can be done, many developers do not consider it worth their time to invest in a platform that's being actively sabotaged. This is exactly why we've ended up with so many folks like Waterfox and Pale Moon; developers have lost faith in Mozilla and have given up entirely to instead work on their own project. There's no point trying to work with Mozilla when they're actively working against you.

Mozilla have shown they have no interest in what users want. They actively delete any negative feedback, they disable comments on videos to avoid criticism and they actively destroy the work of developers. Firefox could be a great browser if Mozilla would work with users and developers, but instead they want to dictate to users and refuse to ever accept they're wrong. This is exactly why Firefox's market share has dropped to irrelevance and is still declining.

Apple owns almost half the mobile phone market in the US

Uhhh just looked at the latest figures and Apple's share is...11.9%

40% of shipments in 2018 Q2

53.7% based on browser data (?)

Because you're too goddam lazy to click next door.

Browser Market Share Worldwide - August 2018
Chrome 59.67%
Safari 14.51%
UC Browser 6.28%
Firefox 4.93%
Opera 3.5%
IE 3.03%

Well, their market share is down to 4.93%. There is a lot of work ahead if you want FF to recover.

3.38% wouldn't seem to cover the large volume of iPhones currently active, which also run Safari. http://gs.statcounter.com/brow... lists it as #2 with ~15% share.

IE 9 was the first non sucky IE browser and MS was forced to follow webstandards all thinks to Chrome's marketshare (...) All they know is Firefox was slow, and their worksites looked funny which is why it never took more than 15% marketshare.

What a load of bullshit history revisionism being modded up by moderators sucking Google's cock. Firefox peaked at well over 30%, people were leaving IE in droves taking it from 95%+ to the low 60s before Chrome even existed. Mozilla and Firefox did all the hard work of getting sites to work in something other than IE6 and the decline continued even though Microsoft much improved standards compliance in IE7 and IE8. Yes, Chrome was good but it came long after writing MS specific HTML/CSS was dead.

which is why Google left Gecko

That never happened, Google chose Webkit from the very beginning. Perhaps because they found it better in the first place, but it's not like they built something around Gecko and then abandoned it. Don't get me wrong, Chrome was a good product that took users from Firefox and sent IE from a decline into a free fall. But it was way too late to the party to get any credit for breaking IE's monopoly and forcing Microsoft into standards compliance. Except for all the money Google funneled into Mozilla in return for search results of course, but Chrome basically walked in open doors Firefox had already knocked down.

Source: StatCounter Global Stats - OS Market Share

Those numbers include Mobile and Tablets. Firefox does not have a presence on phones or tablets. Firefox has 11% market share on the Desktop. It does have a declining market share but it is not as bad as that 5% number.

FF is barely at 5% market share and have been steadily falling since they killed the old addons. They will be completely irrelevant in a year or 2.

You're not alone. Firefox usage has dropped to 5% http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Winning the battle but losing the war? iPhone market share continues to slide,

Upwards. You are dumb as shit as always, Slimewood Cockchoke. Marketshare means sales, not usage share on a few selected sites, you shithead. Words have meanings, your name means eternal moronic shitheel.

Winning the battle but losing the war? iPhone market share continues to slide, and that WILL eventually catch up with them. We already see companies dropping support for Macs because the user base is too small to justify development costs. As the iPhone heads towards single-digit market share, it will start to suffer the same thing.

Statcounter lets you look by country.
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Chrome is the dominate browser, with often chrome /webkit based ones coming in 2nd(or the Chinese one...).

So where is "over here" where no one uses chrome?

Statcounter lets you look by country.
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Chrome is the dominate browser, with often chrome /webkit based ones coming in 2nd(or the Chinese one...).

So where is "over here" where no one uses chrome?

Statcounter lets you look by country.
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Chrome is the dominate browser, with often chrome /webkit based ones coming in 2nd(or the Chinese one...).

So where is "over here" where no one uses chrome?

Statcounter lets you look by country.
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Chrome is the dominate browser, with often chrome /webkit based ones coming in 2nd(or the Chinese one...).

So where is "over here" where no one uses chrome?

Still, Android certainly doesn't dominate the smartphone and smartphone apps market. It's a duopoly with Apple, in a knock-down cage match wit each other, if anything.

http://gs.statcounter.com/os-m...

Android has nearly 3 times the marketshare as iOS, and no other player counts. Android has a clear dominant market position, and is thus subject to different rules than iOS. If the graph were reversed, doubtless Apple would be crushed and Google would be laughing.

These aren't people who are partisans about platform development models. Neither approach is okay for a dominant market performer. Apple isn't one. Maybe it would have been if Google didn't develop Android, but it isn't because Google did develop Android. And let's not pretend that Android is an exercise in altruism...

I'm not necessarily agreeing that these rules are the right ones but they are totally consistent. Different countries have different approaches to antitrust, none are all that great, including the "do nothing" option. But people who act like this is about funding the EU are ridiculous

in the court room.

Hardly an innovation — the US did just that to Microsoft 20 years ago, EU is decades behind.

Except Microsoft was an actual monopoly in the world of desktop operating systems back then, so deviating from the free market principles may have been justified.

Google is merely a dominant player in the world of smart-phones and has not done anything to unfairly sabotage the second-biggest (Apple) the way Microsoft deliberately sabotaged DR-DOS. Google.com opens just fine in Safari.

If a European user does not like the Android offering, he can by an iPhone instead.

There is no point testing anything except Chrome and Safari. Everything else is under 10% market share. http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Almost everybody on mobile uses Chrome, which is not stuck with Webkit.

As I understand SuperKendall's posting history, he's referring to the "sheer number of mobile devices as well that" are "stuck with WebKit". StatCounter claims that Safari and other WebKit wrappers made up half of all mobile page views in the United States over the past month: 50.84% Safari, 41.63% Chrome, 4.88% Samsung Internet, and less than 1% each for Puffin, Firefox, UC Browser, Opera, etc.

You have data problem. Region, education, occupation, access, software quality, and income all factor into usage.

So what you find is in the USA. Chrome is 47% market, followed by Safari at 31%. Everything else is in the noise.
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If you restrict that to mobile devices. Safari is 50% market, followed by Chrome at 41%.
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The problem with your data is that selling lots of $50 android phones, and cheap windows boxes doesn't mean people use them. Also, given the professional, corporate, and tech industries strong leaning toward Macs over Windows (even the Microsoft office I was in recently was all iMacs) - they will use the web 10X more than joe average.

You have data problem. Region, education, occupation, access, software quality, and income all factor into usage.

So what you find is in the USA. Chrome is 47% market, followed by Safari at 31%. Everything else is in the noise.
http://gs.statcounter.com/brow...

If you restrict that to mobile devices. Safari is 50% market, followed by Chrome at 41%.
http://gs.statcounter.com/brow...

The problem with your data is that selling lots of $50 android phones, and cheap windows boxes doesn't mean people use them. Also, given the professional, corporate, and tech industries strong leaning toward Macs over Windows (even the Microsoft office I was in recently was all iMacs) - they will use the web 10X more than joe average.

Chrome usage has been rising in Europe since August, 2017 and has not slowed down:

http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/europe

Gotta do something to encourage more people to buy iPhones in light of their dropping market share. I mean, if new colors won't do it - maybe trying to hype up the "you look rich if you carry one!" vanity will work?

Kill off extensions and watch what little market share you had disppear: http://gs.statcounter.com/. They are at 5.17%. The highest they ever were was 31.82% in Nov, 2009. They stopped innovating, got political, became a Chrome copycat, and lost everything.

Your Net Marketshare link with Firefox at 9.92% is narrowed to desktop as opposed to mobile. If you likewise narrow StatCounter to desktop, Firefox is at 11.55% (source). The negligible (0.3%) mobile usage share of Firefox for Android (source: StatCounter) is probably dragging down the overall numbers.

Your Net Marketshare link with Firefox at 9.92% is narrowed to desktop as opposed to mobile. If you likewise narrow StatCounter to desktop, Firefox is at 11.55% (source). The negligible (0.3%) mobile usage share of Firefox for Android (source: StatCounter) is probably dragging down the overall numbers.

If 15% is your cutoff, only Chrome will count: http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Yeah... that's pretty much how they think.

If 15% is your cutoff, only Chrome will count: http://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Ever since Nov, 2017 when they broke the extensions, their market share has gone down each month. They are currently at only 5.27%. They are irrelevant.

Unfortunately, Firefox committed suicide by breaking the extensions. No matter what anyone says, their numbers are declining and they will go extinct: http://gs.statcounter.com/

As for the "restricting content providers", Apple has many content-provider Apps on the iOS App Store. Netflix and Hulu immediately come to mind, as does HBO Go, Many Network and Cable-Channel Apps, DirecTV Now, and most Cable Providers' Apps. ALL of those Apps are FREE; plus, NONE of that content, most of which requires a subscription with the App Publisher of one sort or another, makes Apple ONE THIN DIME. But of course they make it easy for iTunes.

1) Apple uses their platform to advantage iTunes (as considered being a separate application compared to the App Store, whether they are integrated or not) over other entertainment applications by forbidding those applications from offering In-App rentals or purchases. This has nothing to do with subscription based entertainment applications (though there is some overlap when considering Amazon Prime & Amazon Movies). This appears to be potentially monopolistic, but, it is slightly off-topic (even though I brought it up first) since we're supposedly talking about developers and Apps here.

2) What you've pointed out is that Apple will allow a user to place the phone in developer mode and then compile source code or manually install a pre-compiled ipa using a PC based application. This is beyond most users and this is not true side-loading. What Android allows is turning off a simple setting in the security settings (Allow Installation from Unknown Sources) and then opening the apk on the phone/tablet or via a browser link - no PC or Developer mode required.

While I do see evidence of some third party App Stores for iOS (TUTUApp, TweakBox, FlekStore) the fact that they talk about downloading paid apps for free (something I would not condone) points out their illegitimacy/illegality. Others (Cydia, GetJar, Appland) apparently require jailbreaking the device in order to use. And again, since there is no side-loading in iOS, installing any of these is prohibitive or difficult beyond most users.

I wouldn't really say iOS is easier to develop for, I would say it's easier to QA for.

I'll tell you why: Because, unlike the VAST majority of cheapskate Android owners (most of which are kids or poor adults) WON'T PAY for Apps, and only look to see what they can leech for Free, or PIRATE. Conversely, although iOS owners certainly enjoy a good, free App, they are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more likely to reward Devs. that produce a useful App with their actual MONEY.

There are many premium smartphones running Android that cost just as much if not more than iPhones, and they often have hardware that is arguably or just straight out superior to an equivalently priced iPhone.

There are plenty of paid apps on Android marketplaces and plenty of people that have no issues paying money for them. Using broad categorizations and name calling does not help your argument.

You will just argue that iOS owners are duped into purchasing Apps they don't like, because Apple doesn't have "Free Trials". Well, that argument ignores the fact that Apple has ALWAYS had a 14-day money-back for ALL purchases, INCLUDING iOS APPS. They don't make a big deal about it; but it is there, and you don't have to "be

NFC on Android has been around for 5 years. Apple is once again lagging Android, and going to try to spin it as "revolutionary" even though 75% of all smart phones have been doing this for half a decade.

Courage?

I didn't see one thing that looked like Apple was claiming this was their invention, let alone anything revolutionary. It is just a new capability for iPhones (and maybe iPads?). Nothing more, nothing less.

Try not to Hate before thinking. Is that even possible for you?

NFC on Android has been around for 5 years. Apple is once again lagging Android, and going to try to spin it as "revolutionary" even though 75% of all smart phones have been doing this for half a decade.

Courage?

Why would anyone still use Firefox? Palemoon is what Firefox should still be. I switched to Palemoon months ago and have had no issues. FF is dying. Just look at statcounter. FF's market share continues to go down. In a year or 2 it won't even show up on their graph.

I followed that link and don't see Palemoon on there at all.

Why would anyone still use Firefox? Palemoon is what Firefox should still be. I switched to Palemoon months ago and have had no issues. FF is dying. Just look at statcounter. FF's market share continues to go down. In a year or 2 it won't even show up on their graph.

Do that many people really use Chrome as their browser of choice?

Yes.

I'm reminded of a Yogi Berra quote. "Nobody goes to that restaurant any more, it's always too crowded."

How exactly are Google and Microsoft irrelevant?

If Microsoft were really irrelevant, we wouldn't be talking about them. Microsoft absolutely dominates the business world. Windows still runs on 82% of desktop computers worldwide. Microsoft Office so dominates the business market that nobody else even matters. Sure, Bing and Edge are jokes, but Microsoft hasn't exactly died either.

Yep.

Social Media Stats in Myanmar - February 2018
Facebook 93.78%
YouTube 2.2%
Pinterest 1.93%
Twitter 1.46%
Google+ 0.16%
Tumblr 0.11%

Dear Mozilla,

Thanks for the privacy but we can already do it ourselves. What we really need from you is to reverse your decision to deprecate XUL addons.

Regards, your userbase (what is left of it).

Far too many apps on the AppStore which utilise trackers of all sorts, most famous being Google analytics and other Google adware tools, but more so other companies that use advanced forms of fingerprinting such as playing sound / detecting sound outside the human listening wavelength as well as watching movement of fingers across the screen.

But seeing as Android and Windows 10 are now the most dominant OS globally, most sheep obviously don't care about their privacy (or they're clueless of it).

Windows 10 was just trying (and failing) to catch up to Mac in collect user data.. They are still far behind since they have trouble getting people to use their app-store, where macsheep are more pliable