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No.

The battery is too big and using one would be battery.

You link to articles written by people ignorant as yourself.

These are stun guns, civilians can own them: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb...

Show one death caused by such devices. You can't.

These are tasers, that only police can have. They sometimes kill people.

https://www.taser.com/products...

When NYPD spends $60,000 while saying it's going to cost more for only 60 cameras there are people involved who WANT it to be as expensive as possible of a deterrent.

As somebody who once worked in government purchasing, $60k for 60 cameras didn't even make me blink at the expense, to the point that I was figuring it's equipment expenses alone, not including labor and such.

Let's start with the camera: $399
One mounted on a pair of glasses: $599
Miscellaneous:
Dock hardware (price not listed), a few different mounting options(price not listed), etc...

IT costs, well I figure the NYPD will want to set up it's own solution but the same company offers cloud storage specifically for the video with the necessary bells and whistles for chain of evidence/custody at evidence.com: Starts at $15/month, though I wouldn't see the NYPD going for less than the 'Pro' Package at $39/month per officer(because that includes redaction and agency reports), and it could go as high as $55.

That's $468/year for storage, putting us right at $1k for the glasses and storage** for 1 year, and we don't even have anybody administering the program yet!

When NYPD spends $60,000 while saying it's going to cost more for only 60 cameras there are people involved who WANT it to be as expensive as possible of a deterrent.

As somebody who once worked in government purchasing, $60k for 60 cameras didn't even make me blink at the expense, to the point that I was figuring it's equipment expenses alone, not including labor and such.

Let's start with the camera: $399
One mounted on a pair of glasses: $599
Miscellaneous:
Dock hardware (price not listed), a few different mounting options(price not listed), etc...

IT costs, well I figure the NYPD will want to set up it's own solution but the same company offers cloud storage specifically for the video with the necessary bells and whistles for chain of evidence/custody at evidence.com: Starts at $15/month, though I wouldn't see the NYPD going for less than the 'Pro' Package at $39/month per officer(because that includes redaction and agency reports), and it could go as high as $55.

That's $468/year for storage, putting us right at $1k for the glasses and storage** for 1 year, and we don't even have anybody administering the program yet!

Taser makes a similar device, that is made for police to record everything: http://www.taser.com/products/on-officer-video/axon-flex-on-officer-video

Tasers are less lethal torture devices mainly used to force compliance.

Your disinformation disguists me and all responsible citizens, AC. The manual clearly states, right on page 19:

"RECOMMENDED DRIVE-STUN AREAS FOR MAXIMUM EFFECT
Drive the X26C into the following areas for maximum effectiveness.
Carotid (sides of neck) (see warning below).
Brachial plexus tie-in (upper chest).
Radial (forearm).
Pelvic triangle (see warning below).
Common peronial (Outside of thigh).
Tibial (calf muscle).
WARNING: Use care when applying a drive-stun to the neck or pelvic triangle. These areas
are sensitive to mechanical injury (such as crushing to the trachea or testicles if applied
forcefully). However, these areas have proven highly effective targets. "

How responsible as that? A safety warning because they care just that much. Can you say that you care that much about Safety? I thought not.

Memoto is the only product I know of that is actually targeted at consumers for life logging, but it's rather low tech as it's only pictures from what I understand. Taser Axon Flex is another product and can do full video, but it's geared for police use, not consumer use. Once released, Google Glass might of course be the obvious solution, but so far Google hasn't really said anything if it actually supports life logging, as all the demo videos so far had the user trigger the record, it's also not known if the battery life will be enough for life logging.

Don't really know if there is anything on the software side with good support for life logging. Making the pictures is the easy part, finding the picture you are searching for in hundreds of thousands of images is not so easy. So something with face/voice/text recognition for automatic tagging would be interesting. Memoto seems to come with some apps, but no idea how good they are.

But what is the cost of a large unemployed population ?

Historically, this has led to political instability and social unrest.

Conveniently, we are currently beta-testing robots to deal with those pesky problems...

... of the copseyes from Niven's "Cloak of Anarchy". Add some of these to incapacitate and you've got a menacing little bot.

seen the Taser XREP cartridge? A few mods to this idea could give any desired range

http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERXREP.aspx

No, seriously. They have a product that the cop wears to record their actions, it features a secure chain of evidence:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/4271213
http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERAXON.aspx

That doesn't stop Officer Smash from breaking the camera, but he would have to explain why the camera broke just before the unarmed suspect was shot multiple times.

You apparently don't know what you're talking about.

This looks a lot like a gun. If you were to just reach and grab the pistol-grip handle without looking, you could definitely mistake this for a gun or vise versa.

My guess is that if you looked at statistics, you'd see a higher incidence of death from tasers, but a lower incidence of injuries.

And I would guess that both would be lower. It's meaningless guesswork without some numbers. This (obviously biased source) agrees with me. I'm not going to quote anything from such a source, but I am going to point out that a cursory search for a rebuttal to it didn't find anything. I do expect that watchdog groups would be quick to tear apart such a paper, so lack of rebuttal lends it some small amount of credence for me.

Well ... Taser is already taken...=P

Maybe everyone who differs with the judge and aren't a big fan of tasers, should email Taser International and tell them just what you think. http://www.taser.com/company/Pages/executives.aspx

Mad-cat, that's some mighty fine commenting there. I salute you.

So let me just ask one last question: given all of the foregoing, how do you feel about Taser International suing coroners, making up a new diagnostic term ('excited delirium'), etc.? Are they right to act as TFA states? Or are they trying to avoid the accountability we both value?

Thanks and enjoy the rest of the day.

PS. The interested reader may enjoy parsing Taser International's point of view on liability and riskhere. (Police officers take note: that's *your* liability, not theirs.)

That's one interesting Web site. I did not know that:
- There will be a Mock Prison Riot in Moundsburg, WV, on May 11-14;
- Tasers come in designer colors and have built-in video cameras;
- There's a Taser Training Academy.

Misleading. TASER is a brand name for a manufacturer of electroshock weaponry (or more euphemistically "Electronic Control Devices") The company's literature always refers to them as TASER devices, TASER products, TASER ECDs, or TASER [model name] -- in other words, the name is never pluralized/lowercased like "tasers," in the way that you do in your post. However, in common usage you can tase people with tasers, either through propoelled wire electrodes or through direct contact ("drive stun") mode. TASER devices can usually either be used in either mode. They aren't two different devices, they're the same ECD, just with or without the "TASER cartridge" inserted. Of course this is easy to verify.

There are two primary ways to expose a subject to a TASER electronic control device ("ECD") device... The second method is a direct contact method known as a âoeDrive-Stun.â The Drive Stun method is where the front of the ECD device makes direct contact with the subjectâ(TM)s clothing or skin.

I know this is a biased source, however TASER International provides quite a bit of documentation on this. I reference this article as it is the single best collection of TASER related statistics.

http://www.taser.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Controlled%20Documents/Legal/TASER%20Device%20Liability%20and%20Litigation%20Risk.pdf

Believe it or not, a gun is not as big of a deterrent as you would think. Most criminals when ordered at gun point are not that compliant because they know that we are not going to shoot them unless they escalate the situation to a deadly force encounter. However with the TASER, they are more compliant because they know that we are able to use it at much lower levels of the force continuum.

The reason police and militaries love tasers (and microwave radiation, electrical shocks, waterboarding, etc) is that they can go to town on anyone and it is the suspects' word against the cops' about how harshly they were treated.

That's not entirely true. All the newer Taser models record the date/time of each firing, along with duration, and some other data, downloadable via USB. They also spray paper chads all over the place when fired, each with a serial number printed on it, that can be matched to a particular cartridge. But yes, there aren't any physical marks on the victim (unless, of course, they die).

I find it very interesting that Taser International claims that the 150+ deaths that have occurred immediately after the person is shot with the Taser are not caused by the Taser. At the same time their website has pages (see below) of warnings about all the medical risks associated with being shot by a Taser (such as an increased risk of heart attack).

http://www.taser.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Controlled%20Documents/Warnings/LG-INST-CTZWARN-001%20REV%20E%20Citizen%20Warnings.pdf

As other posters have already commented, it is not the Taser itself that is the problem, it is the use of it. If these were being used only in cases where a firearm would normally be used it is one thing. In that situation a small risk of death by Taser is acceptable when compared to the near certainty after being shot multiple times. But that is not what we are seeing. People are dying in situations where without the Taser they would not be seriously harmed....and that is what I have a problem with.

This was your claim: "Government agencies and military often test their new equipment in more 'predictable' scenarios such as protests." -- emphasis mine.

You have hardly provided any evidence to back that up. Military use in military areas ain't protests. Tasers were developed by a NASA guy and their development and history also do not fit your previous claim. So, you have not supported your earlier assertion. Google away, but next time support what you claimed.

In my research I've found that while tasers may be related in deaths to suspects throughout the country, they have also been instrumental in lowering the incidence of injury to both officers and suspects and lowering the rate of officer involved shootings

I found these reports here. I apologize for the horrible format of the pages, most are PDF files.

http://www.taser.com/

The Taser camera released a while back is intended to provide an electronic record of the device being used. Anyone heard if the video from these devices has been admitted as evidence in a court of law yet? More importantly, anyone found any good taser videos on GooTube?

"The officers did act professionaly. the guy was just stubborn."

Taser's are not suppose to be used when a suspect is "stubborn":
"TASER systems use proprietary technology to immediately incapacitate dangerous, combative or high-risk individuals who pose a risk to law enforcement officers, innocent citizens or themselves."

I don't see "use Taser's on stubborn individuals" in there. Would you want to be tasered because a cop believes you're being stubborn? Because remember we're using the cop's definition of stubborn not yours, he might have had a long night and think you're being stubborn because you didn't produce your insurance card quickly enough.

Can you imagine what they would have done to that guy if he wasn't surrounded by a mob of students moments away from rioting? Think 5 tasers would have turned into 20.

I think all cops should have that line in the Taser FAQs memorized and if they break that rule they should be fired, we don't need cops going around tasering stubborn people because god knows that's 90% of /.

I don't know what kind of illusions you have which electronic gadget might protect you from a mugging,

Well... Its called a 400 volt TASER.

I'd take a PocketPC or PalmOS PDA Phone and a Bluetooth GPS and a 4GB Microdrive, combined with some nice Hiking maps. And maybe some nice bright flashing toys from ThinkGeek. For Self-protection, I'd want a Taser. Oh yeah, and a Sidewinder so that I don't have to find a power supply for any of this stuff.

Politely, of course.

Have you seen the new tactics of the RCMP? They're not nice anymore.

by nizo (81281) * on Tuesday February 22, @12:44PM (#11746137)

I prefer #79 (TASER X26, 2003) If you have one of these you can probably eventually get everything else on the list.

1. Yes, it is basically just a tippmann carbine with a compressed air tank and a really big firing spring.

2. No, they only sell to police AGENCIES. Unless you are on really friendly terms with a police supplier, I don't think individual officers can buy them. Plus, I've only seen them sold in serious bulk, so you probably wouldn't want to dish out the money in the first place.

Cheapest I could find was $220 for a 90 pack...

If you want a good non-lethal weapon, I would suggest a taser.

No, that is a standard Taser with a laser red-dot sighting system. The yellow box at the front contains the compresed air charge and the electrodes that fire out.

The cartridge is disposed of after use and another one fitted.

Here is a link.

> Hmmm, strange indeed, I feel much safer knowing that when the shit hits the fan there will be some firepower around to neutralize the situation properly.

Before I came to Canada, I lived in a place where quite a few people had permits to carry "concealed" guns for the stated purpose of self defence. I had a 9mm S&W myself but I rarely carried it.

Anyway, accidents and near-accidents were too common.

A particular case that I rememberer was when several vigilant citizens shot a guy that was trying to plant an explosive device in a shopping district. A policeman later said on a TV interview that 5 or 6 bullets hit the terrorist while DOZENS more struck random targets, some OVER TEN METERS from where he stood. That policeman went on to say that it happened early in the morning when all the shops were closed and there were almost no people around to be hit by those stray bullets.

> The last thing I need is some wacko 'tazing' a rampaging heroin addict and accomplishing nothing more than pissing him off. But that's just me.

The effects of the taser are a bit more practical than just "pissing somebody off".

I don't know what is your experience with firearms but it is not as easy to hit the right target with a handgun (particularly one that has enough stopping power to be effective against your "rampaging heroin addict" as it seems.

In summary, in order to be effective with a firearm (and not a threat to your surroundings) you have to train regularly and the safety procedures must become your second nature, and unfortunately (or, IMHO, fortunately) that means that your weapon is not constantly ready to go off in half a second.

However, most people either don't realize that or cannot invest the required time and effort.

Suggestions of wiring eletrodes to the vest to zap players were met with blank stares and hostility. I still think that's the way to go... modify them from "laser tag" to "pain gun tag" :)

Don't you mean Taser Tag?

You could always carry a Taser

They are of course totally illegal in the UK, but then so is mugging.

...might I suggest also carrying this little piece of technology?

My understanding is that they work mainly with pain compliance

You are decidely incorrect. Stun guns used to work that way, but newer ones definitely do not. They work by triggering widespread uncontrollable muscle rigidity. See the excellent examples(both demos and surveillance/news video) at: cool taser video page

it's an idea. If you _NEED_ to get up in the morning. . .

this is what we call
wakeup juice


just make sure that the alarm is going off when you drink the juice, followed by the snooze button. . . until you want to wake up on your own. Otherwise you may never

Lose the snooze permanently


The more you know. . . the less you want to know.

I think a taser might be a more interesting solution.

They have a stand-off distance of 15 feet, so you should have no problem creating a nice quiet area around you.

Happy hunting ;)

Take a look at the website, the current is produced by a few AA batteries. Do you think that would be able to deliver enough amps to kill you?

Considering that one of these tasers can render a 300lb man unconscious and runs off a single 9v battery, it can probably do a lot of harm.