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Alarm Clocks for Heavy Sleepers?

jonadab asks: "I'm a heavy sleeper. I wake up gradually. Sometimes it takes quite a bit to get me cognizant in the morning. I've been known to sleep through alarms entirely, or shut them off before fully awake and later not remember doing so. It's not that I don't get enough sleep (I go to bed at night when I get sleepy), but my body tends to want a day longer than 24 hours, and I have to use an alarm to keep myself on a constant schedule with the rest of the world; otherwise, I get up a little later each day and pretty soon I'm sleeping till noon. So I'm always in search of a better alarm clock. Maybe some of you have experience with alarm clocks that you particularly like"

"Here are some features I'd particularly like to have (though anything that's good at waking a heavy sleeper is worth mentioning, even if it doesn't have all these features):

  • Gets progressively louder until snoozed. Starts louder with each successive snooze.
  • Max volume slightly painful, but not physiologically dangerous. An air compressor and train whistle is probably overkill.
  • Easy to snooze, but hard to accidentally turn off completely. Bonus points if turning it off means being cognizant enough to operate a screwdriver or tool of some kind.
  • Snooze time gets geometrically shorter each iteration (e.g., half as long as the previous) so that there's a maximum total snooze time that can be approached assymptotically.
  • Has battery backup so that it will operate during a power outage, at least to keep time. (I _could_ just stick it on the UPS, but do I really want to spend a UPS outlet for an alarm clock?) This is a feature my current clock has (takes a nine-volt battery), but even better would be a rechargeable that will even operate the alarm during a power outage.
  • Can be set to always go off at the same time every day, so I don't have to remember to set it at night unless I need to get up at a different time than usual.
  • Has some kind of cool feature with geek appeal -- but not binary time display; I need to be able to read the time when mostly asleep.
Cost does matter, but I'm willing to pay somewhat more than the going rate for an ordinary alarm clock, because this is obviously a bit of a specialty item. But I don't want to pay a totally outrageous sum; at worst I could build one out of commodity computer parts and a nice set of speakers for probably three hundred bucks or so, so please, nothing more expensive than that. Bonus points if it's more like $50-75."

If you were going to go the route of building a cheap computer to do this, what software would you use to do it?

340 comments

  1. me too by SuperguyA1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had the same problem, sleeping through classes/Finals/Work/Dates. Not exactly what you were looking for but I got an alarm for the deaf which worked great(I didn't have this exact model but you get the idea). you can put it in your pillow. I used to wear a sock to bed and keep it in there. It never failed to wake me up.

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    1. Re:me too by TMLink · · Score: 1

      I'd second the recommendation. A pillow shaker works great. There are different strengths of pillow shakers to fit whatever you need. And the best part is that it's a lot less likely to annoy others around you.

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    2. Re:me too by outlier · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've wanted to build a modified version of the game Simon. When the alarm goes off, you'd have to demonstrate that you are awake by repeating a random pattern of button presses on the clock. As the number of snoozes increased, the pattern length would get longer. I figure that would wake you up...

      Of course, I can't solder so I'll have to wait for someone else to build it.

    3. Re:me too by tamen · · Score: 1

      I have kinda the same problem. With kinda the same solution.
      I use my trusted SonyEricsson T610 mobile phone as an alarm. Just put it in your pillow, or your sock as mentioned above (havent tried that yet) and the vibrations will wake you. At least it wakes me.

      It has the added advantage that it will vibrate when your employer calls to ask why you are 3 hours late, if you sleep through the alarm :)

    4. Re:me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are 2 types of these clocks (I'm deaf w/o my hearing aids, so I use one). The one type is travel-alarm sized, with the vibrator integrated. The other (better, though more expensive) is like a regular clock (sits on a bedside table, often has 2-3 inch letters for the visually impaired), and has a 1/8 inch (3.5 mm?) plug on the side that the vibrator plugs into.

      The second type is far superior, as it runs off of AC, rather than battery, so the vibrations are much stronger.

    5. Re:me too by Mattcelt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right now I have 4 alarms - two on the T68, and two on my alarm clock, and the alarm clock is across the room. I still 'sleep' through them.

      I find that waking to music is the best option for me. If I put in a song I really like, I can wake much better than otherwise.

      Here are some additional items I'd like in an alarm:
      -2 independent (selectable CD/tone/radio) alarms
      -any track CD wake for both alarms
      -multiple tones for alarm wake
      -CD to tone failover
      -weekend sleeper
      -self-recharging backup battery
      -anti-skip CD playing

      The closest thing I've found is the Philips AJ393517 , but it doesn't play CDs reliably (and the tone failover isn't reliable either!) and when you turn the volume up, the vibrations make the CD player skip horribly and often.

    6. Re:me too by narrowhouse · · Score: 1

      If you go to almost any truck stop you can find alarm clocks with 110+ db alarms. Not comforting to think that truckers may use them to wake themselves up periodically while driving though... :)

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    7. Re:me too by dwave · · Score: 1

      I tried it with a mobile phone one. The pillow went to the floor and woke up 20 minutes later just to realize that breakfast was out of options again.
      I'd recommand a timered radio receiver blowing out you least favoured local ad-infested station. With only the speakers in your room and the switch to end end the cacophony in another room. Gets up quite fast. Preferably: the kitchen. And prepare all the ingredient for brewing you favorite type of coffee/tea the day before, so it's only a tip of your finger to get things going until you face RL. Italian Espresso pots are good: once you switch on the plate you'll know when it's ready in case you fall asleep again (you'll noticed by the smell [in time], the noise [overslept] or the firesquad knocking in your door [beyond getting up]).

    8. Re:me too by dan_polt · · Score: 1

      Right now I have 4 alarms - two on the T68, and two on my alarm clock, and the alarm clock is across the room. I still 'sleep' through them.

      I do the exact same thing, and have come to the conclusion that someone needs to build an alarm that has a switch which can be mounted in the shower and activated by water..

    9. Re:me too by daveashcroft · · Score: 1

      Mobile phone in your pillow ? Yeah! Only, you might wake up with brain cancer one day from your daily/nightly frying?

    10. Re:me too by dknj · · Score: 1

      I usually set 4 alarms in my room, one on on my computer (Winamp Alarm, very good when used with a song that builds up its loudness like Massive Attack - Angel), one on my cell phone (which has an alarm that sounds like my bosses ring), and two alarm clocks.

      I set my computer to go off first at a loud volume which makes me get up quickly to turn it off. About 5 minutes later one of my alarm clocks go off followed nearly immediately by the other one in case I turn off the first alarm in my sleep. Usually I will be awake by now, but if I am going to be late I have my backup alarm on my cell phone go off. This usually scareshocks me into waking up (because who wants their boss calling them to say a critical service is down when you're supposed to be at work?). And that is my morning.. everyday..

      -dk

      PS. I slept through all of my alarms today :-(

    11. Re:me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most mobiles can be switched off, and will wake themselves back up at the alarm time.

    12. Re:me too by mandalayx · · Score: 1

      I've wanted to build a modified version of the game Simon. When the alarm goes off, you'd have to demonstrate that you are awake by repeating a random pattern of button presses on the clock. As the number of snoozes increased, the pattern length would get longer. I figure that would wake you up..

      That's hilarious and useful at the same time. too bad I can't e-mail you to ask where to buy it when you invent it.

    13. Re:me too by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      My solution is to have two of those totally standard digital alarm clocks with the bright red displays that burns a hole in your eyes when you look at it (and I have them on the other side of the room, so I have to get up and walk a short distance to turn them off; once I'm on my feet it doesn't take much more to wake me up completely).

      As far as I can tell, they all use the exact same circuitboard inside, because every single unit I've seen is absolutely identical in operation, with the exception of the shape and layout of buttons.

      Basically, the snooze button is large and in front of all the others, just smashing the thing with my fist generally hits the snooze button reliably. The other buttons (for setting the time and the alarm) are smaller and near the back, which is ok because you only ever use them when you're awake anyway. The switch for whether or not the alarm should go off the next day is a tiny switch on the back, so there's no danger of accidentally turning off the alarm completely when you just want the beeping to stop.

      Although, I have had an idea for a better alarm clock if that kind of thing won't work: set up a cron job on your computer so that this mp3 plays when you need to wake up. Make sure your speakers are cranked up and very close to your head while you are sleeping :)

    14. Re:me too by k12linux · · Score: 1
      -2 independent (selectable CD/tone/radio) alarms

      I used to have a dual-alarm clock from Radio Shack. It was perfect when I was single. Each alarm could be set to radio or tone and the volume could be adjusted independantly.

      I'd set the first alarm to a fairly low volume radio and the 2nd to a full volume beeping tone about 3 minutes later than the first. I found that three minutes was plenty of time to wake up even to pretty low volume music... assisted by the knowledge that soon I'd be half blasted out of bed by the tone if I didn't get up and turn off the alarm. The three minutes was to keep me from falling too sound asleep again if I just snoozed the thing when the music started playing.

      But alas marriage ruined that since it quickly became a his-and-hers alarm clock.

  2. Easy.... by eggoeater · · Score: 1

    Get a dog.... a BIG dog.

    1. Re:Easy.... by DuckDuckBOOM! · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Get a dog.... a BIG dog
      Or cats; any size; quantity (Q) > 1. The probability of your waking at or before the cutoff time T varies directly with the value of Q. . .unfortunately, so does your chance of waking at any random hour of the night.
      Best results obtained when T ~ cat's feeding time.
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    2. Re:Easy.... by schon · · Score: 1

      Get a dog.... a BIG dog.

      Doesn't have to be big.. our Border Collie wakes us up at 6AM like clockwork.

      If it's big enough to jump onto your bed, it's big enough to wake you up - just make sure it's got lots of energy, and you won't have worry about waking up late ever again. :o)

    3. Re:Easy.... by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      Ive got a 120 lb rottweiler who thinks its great to get under the sheets and get all warm when he wakes up in the morning. The beast knows there isnt room for both of us, so when the alarm goes off, he tries to throw me out of bed.

  3. How to make an alarm clock work by schani · · Score: 1

    It's easy to shut off an alarm and then get back to sleep. The reason for this is that people put their alarm clocks beside their bed. Don't do that! Put it somewhere where you have to get up in order to shut it off. Once you're out of bed, your mind will probably be clear enough not to get back in and sleep.

    bye
    schani

    1. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet, find someone you really dislike who lives far away, and put it next to *their* bed. And, make sure it's the kind that's really hard to turn off, too.

      And really hard to find. Like invisible.

    2. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by jaredmauch · · Score: 1
      I've found that doesn't work. I used to have the same problem as in this article (I now have a job where I have a more lenient schedule, not exactly 9-5, as long as I get the work done nobody complains..). I used to move the alarm clock and put it in fairly obnoxious locations to get at but I found that my skills in shutting it off merely grew to the problem that I created for myself. Now that I don't set an alarm, I wake up instantly when I need it with the simple alarm on my cell phone.. (because i'm not accustomed to hearing the sound so often..)

      I also tried setting a computer to play music at a particular time to wake me up (back in the days of s3mod) and that would sometimes work. My suggestion, get a series of alarm clocks and place them in different places combined (perhaps alternating which one goes off at a particular time) with going to bed at a regular time that allows for the full 8 hours of sleep (or slightly more).

      Aside from that you could do one of the following: Get a pet that will wake you up to go outside (eg: Dog) or get a roomate that will wake you up if you're not up by a "crtitical" time [to perform your wakeup routine].

    3. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by Zardoz44 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I completely agree with this. When it's easy to shut off, I find myself entering into a snooze-cycle where I seem to be able to smack the snooze button without waking up.

      If you have to get out of bed and cross the room to shut if off, you probably won't go back to sleep. If you do, you have problems an alarm clock won't fix.

      The only problem is that some people like it close to the bed so that they won't be that far away from the sound. The farther you are away, the louder it has to be, and may annoy someone else.

      Maybe someone could create an alarm clock where the controls are in a box on the other side of the room, but the alarm is in a receiver next to your bed. This puts the alarm next to your head, but forces you to get up to shut it off.

    4. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by Blkdeath · · Score: 1
      It's easy to shut off an alarm and then get back to sleep. The reason for this is that people put their alarm clocks beside their bed. Don't do that! Put it somewhere where you have to get up in order to shut it off. Once you're out of bed, your mind will probably be clear enough not to get back in and sleep.

      I've tried that before. I've also tried two-three staggered alarms scattered through my room set to go off every 2-3 minutes or so but I got to the point where setting my alarms at alternating random intervals every night became too tedious. In the morning, I would literally sleep walk a circular pattern - dodging couch, coffee table, computer, laundry hamper, and open wardrobe doors to shut off each of the alarms in sucession. In hindsight, I suppose it was great excersize, but it didn't help me wake up.

      It's an acceptable short-term solution for a heavy sleeper (New job! Three alarms, baby!), however there are several drawbacks. I've already had my life {cough} threatened when I hit snooze repeatedly on one clock. With three clocks going off and a new, different alarm setting off every few minutes you're sure to be evicted, killed, or find yourself eating your alarm clocks for breakfast. :)

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    5. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by roka · · Score: 1

      This would just force me to use force on the speakers ;)

    6. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > The reason for this is that people put their alarm clocks beside their bed.

      Not me; I *know* better than that. My alarm clock is on the other side of
      the room, and I have to step over a large steel laundry basket to hit the
      snooze bar. (The laundry basket used to be the bottom basket in an old
      freezer that died. It holds more than twice what any normal laundry basket
      will, and it's more robust. By far the best laundry basket I've ever had.)

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    7. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by egomaniac · · Score: 1

      You obviously don't suffer from the same problem as the poster. I'm not that bad, and I have still had a few instances of getting out of bed, walking across the room, turning off the alarm, and crawling back in bed.

      And then waking up with absolutely no memory of having done so. I thought I had slept through the alarm or it hadn't gone off. I only know what really happened because I have had multiple witnesses to the event in question that swear they watched me walk across the room and turn it off.

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    8. Re:How to make an alarm clock work by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      eating alarm clocks for breakfast oO; LMFAO =D anyways, i've tried this for long time! i do not know why, but sometimes i can get up even before the alarm clock, if i psyche myself for sometime when going to sleep. my 3 alarms set is: normal alarm clock, my mobile phone and computer, the loudest one definately is my computer but too easy to turn the sound off, even it is in different room and i have to walk like 10meters to it, i usually don't remember anything after shutting it down, i've tried changing the order, loudest first, queietest last and vice versa and variations. nothing has helped. Now i'm going to try the one for deaf. If it doesn't work, i'll jsut build my own using PIC processor, timer, few "fine quality(tm)" components etc... build a box and make it hard to be turned off. and ofcourse with strong lights etc... ;D

  4. Learn To Sleep! by duffbeer703 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of buying obnoxious alarm clocks and waking up your neighbors, why don't you just try sleeping like a normal person?

    Your brain produces various chemicals that signal your body when it is time to sleep. Sleep runs in cycles that run between 3-4 hours... the more regular the cycle, the better everything works.

    Pick a 30 minute window that will be your bedtime and stick to it. If things in your life make that impossible, change them. A healthy adult require something between 6-8 hours of sleep. The more regular your sleep pattern, the less sleep you need. Eventually you'll automatically wake up whenever, and will actually feel good in the morning, instead of being the walking zombie that you are now.

    Sleep patterns are incredibly important to your body. In studies of shift workers, people who rotate shifts "backwards" (ie working 12AM to 8AM one week, 4PM to 12AM the next) have accident rates 40% higher than people who rotate "forwards" (ie working 4PM to 12AM one week, 12AM to 8AM the next). Other studies linked increased risks of heart attacks & high blood pressure and car accidents to irregular sleep patterns.

    Don't let the excuse "I'm too busy" or "I work better at night" stop you from getting a good night's rest.

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    1. Re:Learn To Sleep! by n1ywb · · Score: 1

      I agree, it sounds like you may not be getting the "quality" of sleep you really need. I would suggest taking a Melatonin suppliment before bedtime.

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    2. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Antity-H · · Score: 1

      I agree too.
      And you will also soon notice that once you have taken a good sleep pattern you actually work better at _day_
      Think also of all the time you will "create" by being almost instantly efficient when you wake up in the morning. That is one case when "better do it today than tomorrow" is wrong actually. Getting regular sleep _is_ the most important.

    3. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Zathrus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Instead of buying obnoxious alarm clocks and waking up your neighbors, why don't you just try sleeping like a normal person?

      This was my first reaction too... going to sleep "when you feel tired" is a losing game. Of course you sleep later and later -- you're probably going to bed later (or going to bed at random times as your body desperately tries to figure out a schedule, which means you're varying sleep amounts by as much as 4 hours a night on a regular basis).

      Look, I'm a narcoleptic. I know about sleeping. Don't take caffeine after ~5 pm (chocolate is usually ok, just stay off the caffeinated beverages). Don't take catnaps in that time either (a 15 minute nap may be all you need to get REM sleep in -- it's all I need at times -- and you won't be sleepy for hours afterwards). And keep your sleep pattern as regular as possible. Even though I'm a narcoleptic I'll sleep 7 hours and then be awake. If I vary things then I pay for it -- usually by not being able to sleep until 3-4 am the next night.

      Oh, and to address the original poster -- get a regular, loud alarm clock. Position it so that you must walk to turn it off. If you find that you are getting out of bed, turning the alarm off, and getting back into bed, without remembering doing so, then you need to see a doctor. They'll probably refer you to a sleep clinic. Go. I know if I had when I was in high school I wouldn't have slept through every class from 7th grade until I graduated college (not every day, but at least once in every course). I'm on medication now which helps, but it doesn't do it all. I still need a fairly regular sleep schedule.

    4. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sleep patterns are incredibly important to your body. In studies of shift workers, people who rotate shifts "backwards" (ie working 12AM to 8AM one week, 4PM to 12AM the next) have accident rates 40% higher than people who rotate "forwards" (ie working 4PM to 12AM one week, 12AM to 8AM the next).

      And the week after, aren't those forward rotators gonna rotate backwards?

    5. Re:Learn To Sleep! by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      why don't you just try sleeping like a normal person?

      He *is* sleeping like a normal person. He goes to sleep when he's sleepy, and wakes up when he's refreshed, the latter of which is sadly interrupted by an alarm clock.

      I should also point out that everyone, save for a few persons, have an internal clock outside the standard 24 hour day that approaches 25 hours. If you were to sleep/wake/sleep/wake for about a week, without interruptions, you'd slowly move about until you hit around a 25 hour day.

    6. Re:Learn To Sleep! by shaka999 · · Score: 1

      I think the point people are making is that you go to bed at a regular time. Not just when you feel sleepy.

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    7. Re:Learn To Sleep! by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      That's a good point, but I tend to lean more to the "why are we slaves to the alarm clock" way of thinking, which is why I interpreted it the way I did.

    8. Re:Learn To Sleep! by mrfunky405 · · Score: 0

      No, they just wrap around. The parent is correct - research shows this is the correct way to manage shift work.

    9. Re:Learn To Sleep! by splattertrousers · · Score: 1
      I should also point out that everyone, save for a few persons, have an internal clock outside the standard 24 hour day that approaches 25 hours. If you were to sleep/wake/sleep/wake for about a week, without interruptions, you'd slowly move about until you hit around a 25 hour day.

      That's a myth based on very bad science. Our body clock is 24 hours. (Or 24 hours and 11 minutes, if you are to believe the jokers at Harvard Medical School.)

    10. Re:Learn To Sleep! by shaka999 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I hear you about being a slave to the clock but on the other hand I also understand why a regular time is important. I know that if I'm working/reading something that I find particularly interesting I won't feel tired till the early morning hours. This of course destroys the next day as I end up exhausted. If I put down what I'm doing and just go to bed I'll usually fall asleep pretty quickly.

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      One should not theorize before one has data. -Sherlock Holmes-
    11. Re:Learn To Sleep! by rfeldman · · Score: 1

      People with different sleep patterns, like the original poster and myself, are not lazy people looking for excuses to sleep in. My grandmother, my mother, and I all have the same off-kilter sleep pattern that doesn't match the rest of the world's. In order to get along with the rest of you, we have to either get jobs that allow varying hours or go to great lengths to force ourselves into (usually) waking up at unnatural hours. Sometimes we stay up all night. Sometimes we have our family members splash water on us (they learn to do this from a distance...). Quite often, all of our most sincere efforts fail, and our peers are left with the impression that we are unreliable, lazy, or otherwise worth less than other comparabley-equipped individuals. The head of a local sleep study center told me that when people with odd sleep cycles ask him for a cure, it's like a tall person asking to be made shorter so that he can be a jockey - nature is against you. Personally, I'm going to try the bed buzz alarm. Right now, if my wife happens to have a difficult morning and falls back to sleep after getting our daughter to school, I'm guaranteed to be late for work. I do have a job which allows flexible hours, but I also have regular morning meetings on some days. If we were back in our hunting and gathering stage as a society, all of you normal sleepers would be happy to have a few of us freaks who could often stay up late and guard the village from wolves and sleep during the day...

    12. Re:Learn To Sleep! by V.+Mole · · Score: 1

      That's a myth based on very bad science.

      Reference?

      I do know that if I don't have any reason to keep a schedule (eating, going to bed, and getting up whenever I feel like it), I drift into a 25-26 hour cycle, and yes, I have kept this up long enough to go all the way around the clock. But I won't claim that it's my "body clock", because I suppose it could be that I just stay awake reading longer than I should.

    13. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Descartes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gasp! No!

      Melatonin is good for getting over jetlag, etc. But relying on it on a regular basis will only make things worse. If you take melatonin your body responds by producing less == worse sleep.

      I had some trouble with insomnia and my Aunt (who is a Psych nurse practitioner) suggested I try an SSRI (ie. prozac, paxil, etc.). Apparantly insomnia is often triggered by the a deficiency of Seratonin, which can be fixed with Prozac and the like. Note: just because these are mainly depression medications doesn't mean you have to be depressed to take them.

      I ended up fixing my sleep problems by getting a latex foam matress pad from CostCo (about $120) instead 'cause I don't have insurance to pay for meds.

      Ask you doctor, there are non narcotic pharmacological solutions to this problem.

    14. Re:Learn To Sleep! by pbox · · Score: 1

      Yes, and try to lay off caffeine. It works wonders (not the caf, the lack of it).

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    15. Re:Learn To Sleep! by duffbeer703 · · Score: 1

      Bull.... that is "normal" behavior for college students and the unemployed.

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    16. Re:Learn To Sleep! by croddy · · Score: 1

      mod parent up

    17. Re:Learn To Sleep! by E_elven · · Score: 1

      The GP states that doing E(arly)-L(ate)-E-L-E-L is better than doing L-E-L-E-L-E. However, both contain the 'worse' L-E sequences. Is it just a matter of which you start with (which I find hard to believe) or is this 'wrapping around' something else than just starting a new week?

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    18. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he's gonna answer, the poor guy gets modded down when he gives informative answers ;)

    19. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      One thing that also helps with sleeping patterns is getting sunlight in the morning. If you wake in a room that doesn't get sunlight, then IMO it's hard to wake up.

      As an experiment, try sleeping near a window that gets sunlight in the morning. Does the light shining in help wake you up? I does for me.

    20. Re:Learn To Sleep! by mrfunky405 · · Score: 0

      When I took work measurement a few years ago, the best approach to running a three-shift as understood at the time was forward-rotation schemes like:

      S M T W R F S
      1 1 2 2 3 3 O
      O O 1 1 2 2 3
      3 O O 1 1 2 2
      3 3 O O 1 1 2

      etc.

      As previous posters have pointed out, people generally have an easier time staying up longer than 24h than going to bed sooner. Keeping a certain set of workers permenantly on night duty is not a good option either - turnover is increased due to social factors, health problems due to circadian rhythms (your body can never really fully adjust to a night schedule), etc.

      Also, if you make permenant shift teams, you'll tend to get lower quality output in night shifts; if there is a semi-permenant set of workers for a given shift, the decision of who goes on what team is most likely made entirely on seniority.

      This scheme makes all workers share the responsibility of night work. Nobody gets permenantly stuck on a night shift, and the three-day weekend that coincides with the real world's weekend sweetens the deal for everyone a little bit while keeping work days per month down to a reasonable 21.

      There are some variations on this, and I may have gotten some of the details wrong, but this is basically it.

      Of course, the headaches of actually implementing something like this in your average unionized manufacturing environment may be prohibitive - this is just what they were teaching as the ideal arrangement when I was a sophomore.

    21. Re:Learn To Sleep! by mrfunky405 · · Score: 0

      I should also note that this is not a new concept.

    22. Re:Learn To Sleep! by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Don't take caffeine after ~5 pm

      Actually, I'm blessed in this regard; caffein appears to have no discernible
      impact on my body chemistry at all. I don't crave it and can go without any
      for days[1] with no withdrawal symptoms at all, or on the other hand I can
      drink two quarts of strongly brewed black tea thirty minutes before bed and
      sleep the same as usual.

      Yes, I realize this is somewhat abnormal. My sister's the opposite; if she
      has as much as one Mountain Dew after circa 3pm, she has trouble sleeping. If
      she has two cans, she loses all grip on reality and becomes determined to make
      everyone help her accomplish lots and lots of stuff really fast. (One time
      we made two (muppet-style) puppets in four hours. I still don't know how we
      finished them that quickly.) She now only permits herself the caffein-free
      kind, because she took too much flak for her behavior when on the real stuff.

      Anyway, I go to sleep approximately the same time every night only when I
      use the alarm clock to get up the same time every morning. I get 8-9 hours
      of sleep typically. That's counting from when I turn out the light and
      switch off the monitor until the alarm first goes off.

      If I don't set the alarm, I sleep in too late and then I'm not sleepy yet
      at the usual time at night.

      [1] Yeah, I drink very little pop. Mostly skim milk and room temperature
      tapwater, and sometimes tea, but sometimes I go weeks without tea. Then
      my largest source of caffein is chocolate, but I frequently go days with
      no chocolate. (Then I binge and eat a bag of semi-sweet chocolate chips
      in a day, but I'm pretty sure I'm not eating them for the caffein.) In
      the summer I drink quite a lot of Kool-Aid.

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    23. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get your own mod points! Seriously, moderators bristle at being instructed.

    24. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Bitsy+Boffin · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not.

      I know that the scientific evidence for a > 24hr bodyclock is disputible, but in my experience I definatly have a > 24 hr clock, not much more but enough that in the 6 months of working for myself from home and not needing to be up at any particular time, I have circumnavigated the clock in a clockwise direction. Some of that advancement can be due to deadlines (pushing to meet them) but in general it's natural.

      I go to sleep when I'm sleepy, and I wake up when my body tells me to, I sleep 8 hours, seldom more, seldom less. If I do sleep less I'll often catch it up by taking a nap when I'm sleepy in the middle of the day.

      It's just unfortunate that the larger business world is tied into this straight jacket of 9-5 meaning most people have to artificially force thier bodies into a routine it just wasn't designed for and never get to enjoy the less visited times of day.

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    25. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      deficiency in Seratonin...well, an SSRI won't help with seratonin deficiency (i.e., brain does not make enough seratonin, period). SSRI=Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor, which means that your brain makes enough seratonin, but absorbs too much seratonin (the reuptake part of it) causing an imbalance - seratonin flows both ways in the synapse.

      In retrospect, your insomnia was caused by other things that your new matress pad also diminished (bad matress -- too hard, too soft, too much of your shape burned into it?)

      (recalling from memory about article read about Gen. Wesley Clark and his 2-4 hrs of sleep, plus power napping during the day, how does he do it?)
      There seem to be 4 phases to the sleep cycle. The trick to good sleep is maximizing period two sleep, and minimizing waking/going to sleep phase as well as deep sleep (by elimination, that would seem to be maximizing REM sleep, as your brain goes through several REM sleep-deep sleep cycles a night).

      which is why they also say to not take a nap more than for 30 minutes, because at that point your body is trying to go for the whole sleep cycle, and when you interrupt it, you're screwed up for a few hours...

    26. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bad science? Isolate someone w/o reference to time, and their body works out a non-24 hr wake/sleep schedule.

    27. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One sure fire way...

      Get two long wires, and put EKG pads on them. Hook one up the red wire of your phone line, and the other to the black wire.

      There are services available on regular POTS to call your phone at a given time (i.e., wakeup call), sometimes from the phone company. So, set up your wakeup call.

      Before you go to sleep, use EKG glue to hook one of the wires to your scrotum, and the other...oh, wherever, on your body.

      Phone ring voltage is pretty strong.

      the wakeup call WILL wake you up.

      If it's anything like the electric cauterization you might get when getting a vasectomy, yes, it certainly will wake you up.

    28. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you find that you are getting out of bed, turning the alarm off, and getting back into bed, without remembering doing so, then you need to see a doctor. They'll probably refer you to a sleep clinic.

      Whoa! Unless you mean regularly, then I know alot of people who need to see a Doctorb. (The B is for Bargain!)

    29. Re:Learn To Sleep! by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > I should also point out that everyone, save for a few persons, have an internal clock outside the standard 24 hour day that approaches 25 hours. If you were to sleep/wake/sleep/wake for about a week, without interruptions, you'd slowly move about until you hit around a 25 hour day.

      Solution obvious: move to Mars, where the day is 24 hours and 37 minutes long.

    30. Re:Learn To Sleep! by alex_ant · · Score: 0

      You'll notice that when you're isolated and confined, you'll tend to have less energy and sleep in longer / go to bed later just because you're not exerting yourself and are becoming mildly depressed. Go outside and do stuff, be active, and a 24 hour day will seem longer because you'll be pooped at the end of it.

    31. Re:Learn To Sleep! by alex_ant · · Score: 0

      It's not 9-5 that your body wasn't designed for. Cavepeople didn't have this problem of getting up later and later every day until they were getting up at night. Cavepeople moved around during the day and did shit that made them tired enough to want to go to bed at bedtime. Very different from sitting in a chair - not to mention a chair in a room with controlled lighting that overrides the natural cycle of the sun - and going clicky-click all day.

      The only things preventing you from getting up a 4am and going to bed at 8pm on a consistent basis, or any times you choose about 8 hours apart, is 1) your lifestyle and 2) your own force of will. If you've gotta work 8 hours a day, 9-5 is actually almost ideal, I'd say, because it lets you catch the sunrise, the midday, and the sunset. Up with the sun and down with the sun. Who would have imagined? If you had to work, say, 2pm-10pm every day, you would find that soon enough, you'd be just as tired as a result of staying up til 7 or 8am and getting up at 1pm every day. The problem isn't the specific time during the day that the workday is scheduled, the problem is that when all you do all day is sit at the computer or whatever (not doing anything tiring, living inside an artificial, constructed reality detached from the natural cycle of the days and nights) it should come to no surprise that you're not tired at the end of the day. Pills, caffeine, stronger alarm clocks, that's all just a way to push your body into doing what it wasn't designed to do. (Nothing.) Being sedentary and out of shape is not what the human body was designed for. It's easy to spring out of bed every morning at 6 and fall asleep at the snap of a finger at 10 every night - you just have to want to structure your life properly.

    32. Re:Learn To Sleep! by RowdyReptile · · Score: 1

      The GP states that doing E(arly)-L(ate)-E-L-E-L is better than doing L-E-L-E-L-E. However, both contain the 'worse' L-E sequences. Is it just a matter of which you start with (which I find hard to believe) or is this 'wrapping around' something else than just starting a new week?

      You're assuming there's only Early (12AM-8AM) and Late (4PM-12AM) shifts. Try it also with a Middle shift (8AM-4PM), and I think the point will be that E-M-L-E-M-L is better than E-L-M-E-L-M.

      (I think I swapped your definitions of Early and Late in there, but the point should still stand, semantics aside.)

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    33. Re:Learn To Sleep! by ldm · · Score: 1

      I ended up buying a Tempur bed (adjustable) and pillow. Now I get the best sleep I've ever had. It is fantastic -- unfortunately, it's also fantastically expensive ... however I do not intend to buy a new bed for the next 20 years, and I figure investing in regularly getting decent sleep is a good idea.

  5. Simple. by hookedup · · Score: 3, Funny

    I used to be the same way, sleeping through alarms, turning them off before fully waking, until I got a wife. :)

    1. Re:Simple. by jpsst34 · · Score: 1

      Just the opposite for me. I used to wake up at exactly the same time every day to my alarm. Never a problem. Now that I'm married, I sleep later and later and she has to drag me out of bed. I think it's because I have less responsibility in the morning. I used to have to get up, make the coffee, iron clothes, make lunch, etc. Now I just make coffee and hop in the shower. She irons and makes lunches and stuff. I'd offer to help, but why the hell would I want to do that?!

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    2. Re:Simple. by jakobk · · Score: 1

      Eh? To be a nice husband? It'll pay off in the long end.

    3. Re:Simple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No it won't.

    4. Re:Simple. by jpsst34 · · Score: 1

      By "Pay off in the long end," do you mean that I'll get to put it in her butt?

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  6. THis is what I use.. Very loud and adjustable by lostindenver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.appealinggifts.com/screaming-alarm-cloc k.html

    1. Re:THis is what I use.. Very loud and adjustable by mc_barron · · Score: 2, Funny
    2. Re:THis is what I use.. Very loud and adjustable by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1


      You have to realize that some people shouldn't be posting on Slashdot. Others took the 15 min. of mental exertion to figure out the rudimentary basics of HTML typesetting. (And this is from someone who does not do webpages for a living.)

      To geek or not to geek... Is that a question for /. readers?

      --
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    3. Re:THis is what I use.. Very loud and adjustable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey fucker! Saying that just because the guy didn't make convenient links he shouldn't post on slashdot is pretty damn stupid of you.
      Had to say it

  7. Set the alarm clock across the room. by Sun+Nori · · Score: 1

    By the time I make it over to the clock I'm awake enough to know what I'm doing by the end of the snooze setting, even when I dead to the world.

    --
    "640 K ought to be enough for anybody." -- Bill Gates, 1981
  8. Fake It by Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had this problem sometimes. The first time I overslept for work, I felt like a tool and worked out a solution.

    Set an alarm clock next to your bed. Any ordinary one will do. Use the buzzer setting, and set it for 15 minutes earlier than you need.

    Set ANOTHER clock on the far side of your room, with the volume max and the buzzer setting, and set it for 5 minutes earlier than you need.

    I sleep through the first, but it makes my brain flinch. The second wakes me up from my already semi-woken state. YMMV.

    Also, from a sleep schedule point of view - stop going to bed when you get sleepy. Figure out your morning wake up time, and go to bed 9-10 hours earlier than that at the latest... whether you feel sleepy or not. Eventually you will get used to the schedule, and things will get better. It's about practice. ;)

    1. Re:Fake It by damien_kane · · Score: 1

      Mod Parent Up!!!

      I do this exact same thing.
      The only difference being that both of my alarm clocks are across the room.
      The first alarm does that really annoyingly loud buzzing, which jars me out of bed to stand up, walk across the room, and shut it off. (Never hit snooze because it causes said annoyingly lod buzzing to come back).
      The second plays loud music, and I can get up for that.
      I actually have a third alarm clock that is my 'floater'. It is the one that I allow myself to change the wake-up time on, for days on the weekend when I may need to get up by a specific time. In this way my main alarm clocks never get reset. This is very important, beacuse if you're like me and change your alarm time, you will forget to change it back, causing other problems.

    2. Re:Fake It by Holi · · Score: 1

      I tried that, I just have the awful problem of not being able to fall asleep. It's not unusual for me to spend 3 or 4 hours at night trying to fall asleep. I have tried all sorts of "cures" and some work in the short term but nothing ever lasts very long. I think I may try the SSRI idea I read a few posts up.

      But hey I know why my sleep is so messed up, I just figure it is payment for past transgressions.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    3. Re:Fake It by DarkSarin · · Score: 1

      Unlikely that you are correct. The sleep experts that I know say this: if you are a good sleeper, then you will correctly estimate the time it takes you to go to sleep.

      However, most of us who are poor sleepers seriously overestimate the length of time it takes to really fall asleep--claims of >20 minutes are rarely factual, and people claiming them are likely to be asleep in 5-10 minutes when they are in a sleep lab (to see why they don't sleep well). I would recommend just being a little more relaxed.

      BTW--you aren't drinking a lot of caffiene are you? If so, try cutting back, especially right before you go to bed. Also, if you don't get much exercise, that would help too.

      --
      "We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
    4. Re:Fake It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you try reading a physics text boot?

    5. Re:Fake It by k12linux · · Score: 1
      I usually have no problem falling asleep, but occasionally I'll find myself just lying in bed and tossing and turning. I've found that it is nearly always from being tense. In my early twenties I heard about a self-relaxation technique from some TV special (it was about meditation and "amazing feats" of the mind or something... not sleeping.)

      As hoaky as this may sound when you read it, keep in mind that it has actually worked for me nearly every time I've tried it over the past 14 years or so. (Disclaimer... I am not a yoga kind of guy or any other type of metaphysical/spiritualistic/crystals/numerology practitioner or anything... this is just about getting your own body ready to sleep. Oh yeah, YMMV!)

      1. Lay flat on your back. If you don't like to sleep on your back don't worry, I don't either.. you don't have to stay this way.
      2. Picture yourself SLOWLY walking down a short flight of stairs into a dark room. Figure out how many steps you want (10-15 seems to be good) and count backwards with each step.
      3. With each step, try to relax just a bit more and "sink" down against the mattress. And yes, I mean that literally... try to actually get your body parts closer to the mattress without lifting any other part up at all. That last bit is important.. the only way to *force* yourself down into the mattress is by lifting another part of your body up a little.. this is the opposite of what you are trying to do here.
      4. When you reach the the bottom of the steps, you find several lights shaped like body parts (hands, feet, arms, legs, torso, head.) Whatever works for you.
      5. Imagine turning each light off... left hand, left arm, right hand, right arm, left foot, left leg, etc.
      6. As you turn off each light, imagine that you are turning off most of the nerves (feeling and movement) in that part and that all the energy is draining out into the air/room.With a little practice, they'll actually seem a little like they are heavier and "asleep" as you go.
      7. After the last light is off, try to stay as relaxed as possible and turn over into the position you find you sleep best in or is most comfortable.

      Like I said, I know this all sounds a bit hoaky, but damn if I'm not usually asleep within minutes after doing that. There have quite litteraly been times when I've tossed and turned for 1-2 hours then tried this and fell right to sleep. Again, YMMV, but good luck.

      BTW, if the lightswitch thing is too low-tech for you, imagine energy-repelling forcefields are passing over parts of your body pushing the energy out of each part and finally out your big toe. lol... hey, it's your body. Do whatever works for you.

    6. Re:Fake It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or just jerk off

    7. Re:Fake It by Holi · · Score: 1

      No I know I am correct. I crawl into bed at say midnight, Eventually I look at the clock and see a time like 3:00am Hence the ~3 hours in my prefious comment.

      --
      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    8. Re:Fake It by Holi · · Score: 1

      No but sometimes I try Dickens, That tends to make me nod.

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      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    9. Re:Fake It by DarkSarin · · Score: 1

      Yes, but are you *really* awake that whole time? I somehow doubt it. Not saying that it is impossible, but just unlikely.

      It is more common to have frequently interrupted sleep, and never acheive the deeper stages of sleep that are more useful for human bodies and minds.

      All that said, you may be one of the .001% of the population that really can't sleep very well. In which case you should try the things I suggested--less caffiene, more exercise, and no food for about 1 hour before bed.

      --
      "We don't know what we are doing, but we are doing it very carefully,..." Wherry, R.J. Personnel Psychology (1995)
  9. "when I get sleepy"? by cybermancer · · Score: 1

    You might consider going to bed 8 - 9 hours before you set your alarm. I know personally that I don't always get sleepy at night, especially if I am programming away or playing a good game. Schedule your bed time just like you schedule your wake up time.

    Also, there is something to be said for consistancy - go to bed and get up the same time every day. Occasional exceptions are ok, but the more regular you are the better.

    Even if you find yourself laying in bed unable to go to sleep the first few times, set a regular bed time and stick with it. If you find that giving yourself 8 hours of sleep is too much (you wake up before the alarm) then shorten the time to 7.5 or 7.

    Experiment and find the amount of sleep you need and make sure your get it. You may find that eventually you don't need an alarm clock.

    --
    "Anything is possible with enough programmers, time and pizza." (Substitute caffeine for time as needed.)
  10. xmms alarm plugin by kipple · · Score: 5, Interesting

    does exactly what you said. you can lock your screen with a screensaver (so you'll have to enter a password, and being cogniscent), and maybe set up your BIOS to turn the computer on at a given time, if it is supported.

    also, every day you can wake up with a different music to get a different mood (ever heard about 'mood organs' in "do android dream electric sheeps"?)

    cheers

    --
    -- There are two kind of sysadmins: Paranoids and Losers. (adapted from D. Bach)
    1. Re:xmms alarm plugin by BigJimSlade · · Score: 1

      My friend got a SliMP3 for xmas from his parents. One of the *many* cool features is that it can act as an alarm clock. Can't wake up to music? Use an internet radio stream of a talk show, or record some obnoxious sound to use in a loop. It doesn't require a massive stereo either. You can easily hook-it up to a cheap-o pair of computer speakers. Either way, you get an alarm clock and a stereo for your room.

      Caveats: It doesn't fit in that "doesn't need a battery" category. It also doesn't fit in the $50-$75 price range, but come on... you wanted one anyway :)

    2. Re:xmms alarm plugin by Scott+Robinson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have used a cron task to wake myself up for three years. Previously I had to move an alarm clock all the way across my room and obstruct it with objcts so I wouldn't sleep turn it off.

      Three years later, I am now able to login to my computer, open a shell, and kill the alarm task without ever properly waking up.

      Its an arms race I feel I'll be running the rest of my life.

    3. Re:xmms alarm plugin by enigmatichmachine · · Score: 1

      I had the same problem, my solution was to get a alarm that ran on batteries, just batteries, put it into a ammo box with a few holes drilled in it to let the sound out, then bolted the big metal box to the floor near my bed. and locked the box shut, and put the key in the shower, next to the water switch. by the time a figured out what was going on, and made my way to the shower for the key, i had given up, flipped the water on, and helped my self to a very cold shower. if you had the time or energy, you could automate the shower too...

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    4. Re:xmms alarm plugin by Bates · · Score: 1

      That wouldn't work for me. I have a tendancy to get up in the middle of the night, for no particular reason, and login to my computer. I look at the screen for a few minutes, then go back to bed. I had no idea that I did this until my roommate woke me up while I was doing it. I don't have a simple password either.. it has lowercase and uppercase letters, numbers, and some symbols.

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      We all go a little mad sometimes.... haven't you?
    5. Re:xmms alarm plugin by emilymildew · · Score: 1

      Change your password more often. I believe fingers learn the password you use if you use it often enough - just like you can type email address you use very often more quickly than those you don't.

  11. Lights help, too by dschuetz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We've found that having a bright light on a timer (X10 does nicely) helps, too. There's nothing like having 150 watts of "oh my god turn that off" on your eyes to wake you up. Actually, I think it subtly starts the wakeup process, which completes when the loud alarm goes off a couple minutes later.

    Of course, if your wakeup time is after sunrise, this probably won't help much. :)

    You could always rig up a smoke detector buzzer, but that's probably not something you should really get sensitized to....

    1. Re:Lights help, too by MountainLogic · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've seen a number of clock radio alarms that have an AC outlet on the back. Nothing wakes me up like bright daylight. Depending on your schedule/environment leave your bed room curtins open and have daylight help you. Another goof-ball option for the smoke detector buzzer in the parent you could hook an alarm to start a toster set to "burnt" and have it set the smoke detector off.

    2. Re:Lights help, too by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

      I completely agree. I no longer have much trouble getting up (I go to bed on time and get up on time everyday - even weekends so I'm not jetlagging myself every week) but back in the day I had a small electronic timer and a compact flourescent bulb. The timer was set to come on about 10 minutes before the alarm clock and, since many CF light bulbs tend to get brighter as the warm up it provided a sort of ramp-up light. It also only came on on the weekend.

      Next, my clock-radio would start.

      Finally, as a backup for me turning off the alarm and for power failures, the battery-powered clock on the other side of the room was set for a few minutes later still.

      Soon, I found that the light woke me up and I was out of bed before the radio came on.

      Once upon a time I returned a "defective" digital alarm clock since the alarm was "broken". They decided it was not repairable but then I discovered that I had learned to open the top and press the alarm-off button in my sleep.

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      "You are not remembered for doing what is expected of you." - Atul Chitnis
    3. Re:Lights help, too by karnal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Great.... Nothing starts your day off right like burning down your own house. Or a row of apartments.... :)

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      Karnal
    4. Re:Lights help, too by austad · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, you could attach wires from the outlet to your toes or weewee. I bet you'd only sleep long enough to let the alarm go off once...

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    5. Re:Lights help, too by notyou2 · · Score: 1

      A word of warning: do NOT set your wake-up light too bright! I tried that, and literally woke up in pain... my main bedroom light is one of those high-wattage halogen floor lamps. The first time I tried the X10 technique, I naively set the light to come on at full blast.

      It literally physically HURT. I distinctly remember waking up suddenly -- I shut my eyes hard immediately, but it was still so bright (relative to my previously-pitch-black room) THROUGH MY EYELIDS that my eyes were stinging. I immediately covered my eyes, then finally slipped under the blanket and slowly adjusted.

      Granted, this was extreme... I have a very effective black-out curtain for my room, so it went from dead-dark to bright as day. But just thought I'd warn; it was an experience I'd never want to repeat.

    6. Re:Lights help, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn you! I'm having trouble containing my laughter so my coworkers don't investigate.

    7. Re:Lights help, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh heh. you said weewee.

    8. Re:Lights help, too by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      I believe the original question submitter posted above this thread to another suggestion about using lights, stating it didn't work for him. But, for anyone else who's having similar problems, this is probably worth a shot. I don't speak from personal experience, but we have deaf neighbours and I've occasionally been leaving for work at some unearthly hour and seen the light flashing in their bedroom.

    9. Re:Lights help, too by CmdrTHAC0 · · Score: 1

      Arrrgh! I will never be able to read things like that without thinking "Cold Fusion light bulbs".

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  12. Use the James Bond method. by Captain+Pedantic · · Score: 3, Interesting


    While you are falling asleep, imagine a clock showing the time you want to wake up.

    I am a very heavy sleeper - to the extent that someone was able to get a locksmith to drill through the security lock on a door with me 10 metres (or 11 yards if you are a NASA scientist) away - but this works for me, and I just need the three chimes of a standard palm pilot alarm to remind me to get up.

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    None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
    1. Re:Use the James Bond method. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      First, this isn't the best week for the "metres" crowd to be taunting NASA...

      That aside, though, what does this have to do with James Bond?

    2. Re:Use the James Bond method. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was mentioned in one of the novels. I can't quite remember which one though. Sorry.

    3. Re:Use the James Bond method. by finity · · Score: 1

      Waking yourself up is a discipline that's not hard to learn, and it'd be handy if you're someone like an international spy with a license to kill...

    4. Re:Use the James Bond method. by nytes · · Score: 2, Funny

      As an alternative, hire someone with a sniper rifle who will kill you if you fail to get up.

      Of course, then you may have a hard time getting to sleep at night.

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      -- I have monkeys in my pants.
  13. An alarm in the other room by spooky_nerd · · Score: 1

    My solution was to put an alarm clock in the bathroom. I have to actually get out of bed to turn it off, and then I'm standing right next to the shower so I just hop in. I also have an S.O. who starts kicking me if I let the alarm go for too long.

  14. Multiple alarm clocks and a computer.. by Jeff+Hartmann · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine is heavy sleeper. He just went and got 2 alarm clocks. He also has 2 computers. All 4 of them are set to go off at the same time. On top of this the 2 computer must be shut off by entering some command sequence on one of the keyboards, so he actually has to get up and turn on the light and monitor to turn off the alarm. By that time he couldn't really get back to sleep if he wanted it.

    As for what he uses for the computer.. heh.. I think it's just mIRC running some script and doing some socket stuff to tell the other one when to go on and off.

  15. 24 hours by isorox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most people prefer a 24 hour day. I used to live a 26 - 26.5 hour day when I was a student, now I prefer about 25 hours. Thing to do is cycle round. Assume 8 hours sleep and need to be up by 8AM. Go to sleep at 9PM monday, 10PM tuesday, 11PM wednesday, 12PM thursday, then stay up all night friday, until arround 6PM saturday, then get 12 hours sleep and go to bed at 8PM sunday. Probably not healthy, but I've done it before, and when I start shift work in a few months I'll be doing something similar to get back onto days.

    Another thing: Turn everything off (even the PC) and lie in bed for an hour. You should be asleep unless it's ridicuously early.

    For waking up, I need to be up at 8:30AM at the moment to leave at 9:30AM. I set the 3 alarms on my mobile phone, 8AM, 8:15 and 8:25, and plug it in on the other side of the room. I also set my normal radio alarm clock to come on quietly at 7:30AM (when wogan comes on), and stay on until 8:30AM (meaning I have to get up to turn it back on).

    I used to have a cron job of "cat /dev/urandon > /dev/dsp" too, but I'm getting better now.

    Keep the clock out of reach, once you get up you'll stay up.

    1. Re:24 hours by Ianoo · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately this is job-unfriendly unless you happen to be on flexitime. With my previous employer, which was a small company that didn't care when you turned up provided you worked X hours a week at home or in the office, I could and did try the 25-hour-a-day thing. Didn't work well for me, but I know others who have seen benefits. Now I have a 9-4 job, there's no fookin chance!

    2. Re:24 hours by nmnilsson · · Score: 1

      Coincidentally, I also use cat.

      When my alarm goes off, it starts clawing the spring mattress, right next to my head.
      Think bells of Notre dame. Unbelievably annoying.
      It doesn't stop until I get out of bed and feed it.

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    3. Re:24 hours by karnal · · Score: 1

      My cat will sometimes wake me up while my alarm is going off. I think that the alarm really bugs her, and of course, she's used to sleeping in until I get home at 5pm (or later) and then eating...

      What does she do?

      She wakes me up long enough to pet her and allow her in the covers. Then she purrs and goes back to sleep.

      All this, encouraging more Snooze-tastic sleep.

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      Karnal
    4. Re:24 hours by isorox · · Score: 1

      Begining of the week go to bed at 6PM and get up at 2AM. End of week get up at 7AM and go to bed at 11PM, then weekend re-oient.

    5. Re:24 hours by madkemist · · Score: 1

      I have tried all sorts of alarms to wake up. Nothing seems to work. I have suggested that the solution may be to get a BIG dog. The dog could be trained to wake me up in the morning by dragging me out of bed, acrossed the house, to the front door. :-P

    6. Re:24 hours by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Mine sits in the next room over, and lets out these loud howling meows untill I get out of bed. What's really annoying is that he's been continuing to do this at 6am, all through the holiday vacation. He dosn't even want any food, just the satisfaction of the schedule not having any changes.

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  16. hearing impaired alarm clocks. by BeatdownGeek · · Score: 3, Informative
    Google search.

    I go to college with a large deaf population. You would need to be able to sleep through an earthquake to be able to miss this.

    1. Re:hearing impaired alarm clocks. by zentu · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, some Of us can, only certain tones wake me up... and none of them are appeasing to any normal individual. Think Nails on a chalk board...

  17. 113dB alarms by JasonMaggini · · Score: 4, Informative

    *Cough*Google*Cough*

    This site advertises clocks for the hearing-impared that register up to 113 decibels, and have gadgets that shake the bed and flash lamps.

    These clocks seems a little more subtle, though.

    1. Re:113dB alarms by qengho · · Score: 1


      This site advertises clocks for the hearing-impared that register up to 113 decibels

      I got one of the Sonic Boom alarms for my wife, who manages to sleep through just about anything. It does the trick. Fortunately, I usually get up before her, but on days when she has to get up early I nearly fall out of bed when the damn thing goes off. She refers to it as the "Wake The Dead Alarm Clock".

    2. Re:113dB alarms by itwerx · · Score: 1

      I'll second the zen alarm clocks. They're a bit pricey (>$100 for some) but I always had trouble waking up until I got one of them.
      Another option is have an X-10 module gradually turn on a halogen lamp. "Good morning merry sunshine!"

    3. Re:113dB alarms by GTRacer · · Score: 1
      Funny, I call my trusty ol' RadioShack VoxClock 3 the "Alarm Clock of the Apocalypse" because of the thouroughly-annoying alarm tone. It isn't a buzzer, it's a fanfare-style deal that seems like psyops torture to me and my wife.

      It has two alarms, and battery backup, etc. But it's DREADFULLY easy to deactivate the alarm instead of hitting Snooze. I need more than two hands to count the number of times I've been late because of it...

      GTRacer
      - If I have to lose a third of my life to sleep, can't we get some kind of subliminal entertainment going? I mean hell, sleep is dull!

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    4. Re:113dB alarms by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      "If I have to lose a third of my life to sleep, can't we get some kind of subliminal entertainment going? I mean hell, sleep is dull!"

      I hear that! My biggest problem with getting to sleep at night is that I just plain get bored if I don't fall asleep quickly. Most people here are saying 'just go to sleep earlier'. That doesn't necessarilly work. I can go to bed at 20h00, and not get to sleep for hours...

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      - Charles Darwin
    5. Re:113dB alarms by madbrain · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it looks like none of these alarms support 24 hours (military time).
      I can't begin to tell you the number of times I have set an alarm to PM instead of AM. I have missed countless work meetings, piano lessons, and even flights, due to this.
      I still can't find an alarm that wakes me up.

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      -- Julien Pierre http://www.madbrain.com/blog
  18. Sleep by MindStalker · · Score: 1

    Have you seriously tried going to bed before you get tired, and or having a set 8 hours each night. Say hmm I have to get up at 6am I will goto bed at 10 no matter how sleepy I am. Sure you won't fall asleep at first but you'll get used to it after a few days. Extra points for actually doing stuff during the day that make you tired. Anyways I love my alarm clock it sets itself automatically (from some radio signal or something not quite sure) has a good battery backup to keep your alarm settings. And you can set a different or no alarm for the weekend if you want to.

  19. Simple??? by hummassa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Remember, he does not want an uber-expensive solution (and half your assets counts as pretty expensive to:)

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    1. Re:Simple??? by BoomerSooner · · Score: 2, Funny

      Half of zero is zero. In the Bush Economy that isn't a problem.

    2. Re:Simple??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm so happy to hear this. You must be one of the people I took my newfound assets from. Since GW took office, my income has quadrupled, I own property, and I can honestly say that my life (barring any crazed Democrat-caused economic catastrophes, like universal health care) will be clean and rich. I 3 Bush!

    3. Re:Simple??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHAT THE HELL'S A SOONER?!

    4. Re:Simple??? by pbox · · Score: 1

      Lemme guess,

      you are an oil executive?

      I am right, right?

      --
      Code poet, espresso fiend, starter upper.
  20. Vibrating alarm by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    There used to be wrist watch looking things that vinbrated and beeped as an alarm. A lot of people who don't pay attention to nise, wake quickly when shaken up a bit.

  21. RCA RP3715 by aspjunkie · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've got an RCA RP3715A, that i think was no more than $20-$30cdn, but does most of what you're looking for. http://www.rca.com/product/viewdetail/0,2588,PI459 18,00.html.

    - Has two different alarms that can be set, and will then go off at those times every day without having to be reset. (Music and what I like to call Insane-O-Wake)

    - The "tone" (Insane-O-Wake) alarm starts quietly and gets progressively louder, and this thing is VERY LOUD, it wakes up both my roomates who are a few feet down the hall and on occasion think the alarm is in their room, if i'm i'm not there to turn it off (a downside to having it not need to be reset).

    - It has the option of a 9v battery to keep time if the power goes off
    - Large easy to hit snooze button, if you hold down the snooze button, the snooze duration increases..

    It's great, I'd highly reccommend it. Although my roomates might not.

    Cheers,

    1. Re:RCA RP3715 by rmohr02 · · Score: 1

      I have an alarm clock that looks a lot like that one, but has one less button on the top. Mine behaves in roughly the same way, but in order to turn the alarm off and have it on for tomorrow, I must hit the on/off button without hitting snooze (i.e., I can't hit snooze to get rid of the noise and then easily turn off the alarm until tomorrow). Is yours like that?

    2. Re:RCA RP3715 by aspjunkie · · Score: 1

      Nope, once mine are set, I can hit snooze all i want, as well as turn it off and everything's back to the same the next day. There's a cancel button on mine that you use to disable the alarms, so that they don't come on, but to use that you have to press Cancel, then choose the alarm you want to cancel. Unless you do that, the alarms will go off day after day.

    3. Re:RCA RP3715 by rmohr02 · · Score: 1

      That is better than mine, but I doubt I'll spend the money to get a new one when this one works almost as well.

  22. Re:Wife by cybermancer · · Score: 1

    My wife nudges me once and that is it. She got tired of dragging me out of bed. Now she will actually shut the alarm clock off for me if I don't get up quick enough. I guess it is teaching me to wake up sooner.

    Although I found having kids a great way to get up. My son is up every morning at 7 AM, or earlier.

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    "Anything is possible with enough programmers, time and pizza." (Substitute caffeine for time as needed.)
  23. Put alarm clock out of reach by jpkunst · · Score: 1

    Get a loud alarm clock and put it so far out of reach that you have to get out of bed to shut it off.

    (Don't get back into bed after doing that.)

    JP

  24. wind up alarm by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    I use one of those old fashioned wind up alarms. The noise was loud enough in college that it would wake people down the hall (scarily enough, I could sleep through it!) The key to the trick though was to put it on the other side of the room- if I had to get out of bed to shut it off, I was ok.

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    I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
  25. Sonic Boom Alarm Clock by alfal · · Score: 1

    This sounds like it might do the trick for you. Never tried it, but I'm half tempted to get one.
    http://www.sonicalert.com/htm/clock.htm

  26. Use a coffee maker with a timer! by Dark+Nexus · · Score: 1

    In conjunction with an alarm clock, that is.

    The smell of coffee will help wake you up!

    --
    Dark Nexus
    "Sanity is calming, but madness is more interesting."
    1. Re:Use a coffee maker with a timer! by heinousjay · · Score: 1

      Or rig the coffee maker to drip hot water on your head.

      The smell of boiling flesh will help wake you up!

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  27. Longer days? Mars time! by nukem1999 · · Score: 1

    Work for NASA, maybe Mars time will be just right for you and you won't need an alarm!

  28. Suggestion by Ianoo · · Score: 3, Informative
    Something like this?
    Gets progressively louder until snoozed. Starts louder with each successive snooze.
    Not quite, but the bleep noise is painful and they get more and more frequent until you shut the damned thing off.
    Max volume slightly painful, but not physiologically dangerous. An air compressor and train whistle is probably overkill.
    See above.
    Easy to snooze, but hard to accidentally turn off completely. Bonus points if turning it off means being cognizant enough to operate a screwdriver or tool of some kind.
    Snooze = hit the thing on the top, turn off = small button not easily found in the dark. The thing has two separate alarms, I usually set one about 30 minutes after the first.
    Snooze time gets geometrically shorter each iteration (e.g., half as long as the previous) so that there's a maximum total snooze time that can be approached assymptotically.
    Not quite that complicated, but since it has two alarms, you can set one after the other (see above), so if you space them sensibly you can approximate this equation ;).
    Has battery backup so that it will operate during a power outage, at least to keep time. (I _could_ just stick it on the UPS, but do I really want to spend a UPS outlet for an alarm clock?) This is a feature my current clock has (takes a nine-volt battery), but even better would be a rechargeable that will even operate the alarm during a power outage.
    It's battery operated.
    Has some kind of cool feature with geek appeal -- but not binary time display; I need to be able to read the time when mostly asleep.
    It projects the time on to a surface (such as your wall or roof) with big red numbers. If you focus it properly, and make it sufficiently far away so that it's nice and big, I can see and read the time despite being nastily shortsighted.
    1. Re:Suggestion by tiny69 · · Score: 1
      Sorry, this product is temporarily out of stock
      That's it, we are now /.ing online stores. What's next?
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      Go not unto/. for advice, for you will be told both yea and nay (but have nothing to do with the question)
  29. Puzzle Alarm Clock by nookieman · · Score: 5, Informative
    How about the Puzzle Alarm Clock that requires you to solve a small puzzle in order to turn it off.

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    1. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by kmahan · · Score: 1

      So are these available in the US? I've got a brother-in-law that needs one.

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    2. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they have mail in the US? Oh, they do? Well, you chaps have done really well in the colonies. You should be proud. You can also mail order stuff. Cheerio!

    3. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by McCarrum · · Score: 1

      Found a US company with it ... pretty good for an Aussie :)

      http://ismachines.com/sure_wake_clocks.html

      Click around for the contact details. Couldn't find prices though.

    4. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you you commie limey scum!!! We are NOT the fucking colonies. We kicked your sorry asses to the curb over two hundred fucking years ago, why don't you get with the fucking times!!!!

    5. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a joke, it's funny

    6. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Smiegel! Good to see ya :)

    7. Re:Puzzle Alarm Clock by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      How about the Puzzle Alarm Clock that requires you to solve a small puzzle in order to turn it off.

      The puzzle being "What should I use to smash this effin' thing to bits so I can get some damn sleep."

  30. Snooze is the tool of the devil by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are having problems getting up, then DON'T USE SNOOZE!

    You are just training yourself in a bad habit - "Don't need get up. Go sleep more. Noise not important".

    Instead, put whatever you use to awaken yourself out of reach of the bed - preferably on the other side of the room. MAKE yourself get up and walk over to the alarm to turn it off. Then, KEEP MOVING - go fix your coffee or whatever you do when you get up.

    Speaking of coffee - should you be an imbiber of morning caffinated hot beverages, invest in a timer controlled coffee pot. Set it to start about 10 minutes before your alarm goes off. Put it in a place where the aroma of brewing coffee (or whatever) will reach you.

    Most people are training themselves to be insomniacs - watching TV or reading in bed, staying up to catch that "gotta see it" show instead of sleeping when they are tired, hitting snooze in the mornings. Beds should be used for two things only - sleep and sex. Anything else should be done elsewhere.

    I trained myself to go to sleep within minutes of hitting the bed in college, when I had Calc II at 7:30 and my next class was at 10:30 - go to calc, go back to room, sleep some more, then go to chemistry. I refined this when I was working 80 hours a week at my first job - go home over lunch, catch a 30 minute powernap, then back to work. As I understand it, this is also what the various military services train you to do - "Don't stand if you can sit. Don't sit if you can lie down. If you can lie down, go to sleep."

    1. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you are having problems getting up, then DON'T USE SNOOZE!

      I totally agree with this one. It works best when you combine it with your body's natural alarm clock. Maybe this doesn't work for everyone, but I've found if I just think about what time I need to wake up in the morning, and how many hours of sleep that's going to entail, I'll wake up fairly close to that time naturally. Then I just set my alarm clock really loud and obnoxious for 10 minutes later, just in case, and the vast majority of the time I wake up before the alarm clock even goes off. Snooze is not an option, when the alarm clock goes off, I have to get up.

    2. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by heliocentric · · Score: 2, Funny

      Beds should be used for two things only - sleep and sex.

      You left out perhaps building a small fort, too!

      (Simpsons reference, if you don't get it, it should get out less)

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    3. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by shaka999 · · Score: 1

      I agree with this.

      If you have time to mess around with the snooze then set your alarm later and don't ever hit the snooze button. You'll get more quality sleep this way.

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    4. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by evilad · · Score: 1

      I once thought as you did. I desoldered the snooze button from my clock.

      I soon found that I would turn it off instead, and immediately go back to sleep. I also disabled the off switch. I would unplug it, and THEN go back to sleep. Switching to a battery-clock didn't help either.

      The only thing I can think of that would help is a clock with microswitches under the feet of the bed, so it _knows_ when I get up.

    5. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by utahjazz · · Score: 1

      Beds should be used for two things only - sleep and sex.

      What is this 'sex' you speak of?

    6. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by cmowire · · Score: 1

      One additional pointer along this veign..

      Set the alarm for the latest possible moment. Don't set it 15 minutes early and figure that you will be snoozing for 15 minutes. If you need 30 minutes to get ready and need to be out the door by 8, set the alarm for 7:30.

    7. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whacking off to porn on a laptop.

    8. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by Spoing · · Score: 1

      I like that idea...not very portable, but effective.

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    9. Re:Snooze is the tool of the devil by D-Cypell · · Score: 1

      So how did you turn the alarm off when you were actually awake???

  31. Apnea? by limekiller4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I realize this isn't quite what you were asking, but consider going to a sleep clinic.

    Do you snore? Is your neck bigger than 16"? If either of these are true, odds are decent that you have sleep apnea. I do. Or rather "did." Had my uvula and tonsils taken out (plus had my septum straightened, it was heavily deviated).

    When I wake up, it feels like I'm drugged. Literally. I wish I knew why, too. Once apnea was diagnosed, I assumed that going through surgery would stop this drug-like trance from happening. It didn't, but it helped a little. Plus I don't snore at all any more. It used to keep my former girlfriend up all night.

    Sorry for rambling. I guess what I'm saying is that I'll be reading the replies to your post because I have the same needs/problems when it comes to waking. And checking to see if you have apnea could actually save your life while making your sleep a lot more restful.

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    Limekiller
    1. Re:Apnea? by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      My dad got one of those machines that applies mild air pressure to your nose all night long, keeping your soft palate from closing up when you exhale.

      He'd had all the surgery with mild results. He says the machine has changed his life. He looks like a translucent elephant when he wears it (and it looks like the weirdest sex toy ever, coiled next to the bed), but it lets him get restful sleep and it's ceased the wear and tear on his heart. Sleep apnea kills.

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      There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
    2. Re:Apnea? by dagnabit · · Score: 1

      I was diagnosed with sleep apnea, and currently use a CPAP machine. Yeah, it looks dorky, but man do I sleep well now! Surgery just isn't a complete cure-all for most people... (for me it wasn't an option at all).

      I've had the machine for a little over a year and the difference in quality of life is staggering. You just don't realize how tired you actually are until you get a really good night's sleep several nights in a row. And now, even if I do stay up later than I should, I know I'm going to get at least a couple of hours of quality sleep using it.

      An added bonus - my acid reflux completely disappeared as well. (Waayy more than you wanted to know about me, I know, but...)

  32. Most req's silly... by jrpascucci · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since cost is an issue, you're not going to get most of your (useless to the problem) requirements met. If I wanted to do so, I'd probably dedicate a (cheezy) computer to it and have to write the darn software myself. Luckily, I have more important things to worry about...

    I'd recommend the simple expedient of two alarm clocks.

    I went to Sears and bought a cheap Panasonic (iirc) alarm clock radio/cd with 2 alarms and progressive volume. (The progressive volume has a min setting and a max setting, but not a duration setting (silly of them)). It was pretty cheap, like $35-45 a year and a half ago.

    For you, I'd recommend two of them (or one of those and one of what you already have). One by your bedside, one across the room, requiring you to haul your backside out of bed, at least.

    I just leave mine single one across the room, and have it turn on talk radio (two settings, starts low, waits a few minutes, the second gets much louder). Depending on the station I set it to, it usually infuriates me into wakefulness.
    (I recommend NPR if you are a heartless conservative or Rush or Bill O' if you are a flaming liberal gasbag).

    However, I bet the real problem is not the waking, it's the sleeping - getting to sleep/staying asleep. If you find yourself waking up at night out of breath, or if you snore, or your gf/wife/so hears you stop breathing during the night, see a sleep doctor. Skip the last can/bottle/gallon of caffeinated soda, cut out cigs if you smoke, keep the room cool. Melatonin works well for sleep regulation if taken aperiodically, and consider Ambien for periodic regulation (note that it's addictive - not in the heroine withdrawal way, but if you use it too often, you get to feel like you can't get to sleep without it - a feeling which goes away after a few days, but still...).

    Ambien is magic to those who have trouble getting to sleep or staying asleep - bed down, one pill, read for 15 minutes, turn off the light, I'm down for 7.5 hours almost exactly and wake up feeling like a tiger. IANAD, YMMV.

    -J

    1. Re:Most req's silly... by dJCL · · Score: 1

      I'm probably doing things wrong myself... but I go with the two clock setting.

      The first is set to the local country music station, I have to turn it off before I get a song stuck in my head(I don't like most country, no offense, just me). I get up, shower and crawl back under the warm covers again for about 10 minutes.

      The second alarm is unreachable from my bed, and is set half way between the local "new rock" station and the christian music station, so that you can hear both clearly on top of the other. If nothing else, that will get you out of bed in the morning quickly...

      And I'm out the door within 10 minutes of the second one going off.

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      On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
    2. Re:Most req's silly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you're not able to stay awake for five minutes after the alarm goes off in the morning, you're not getting enough sleep and should start mastrubating... I mean going to sleep 5 minutes earlier each night until you reach a point where you get up without having to go back to sleep after the alarm goes off.

      Of course, seeing as you probably live at home with your parents from your other posts, you could probably pay your mommy to wake you up every morning.

    3. Re:Most req's silly... by dJCL · · Score: 1

      Unfortunatly, I do live at home again, only due to financial requirements(unemployment sucked). I'm probably moving out in the next few months with some friends(And GF). So what do I do then? The GF works shift work, so could be away at any given hour(paramedic) and the friends work weird hours too(computer store and student)... So that all fails to be reliable.

      Other options?

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      On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
    4. Re:Most req's silly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, as long as it's not long distance, you could still pay your mommy to phone you to wake you up in the morning, and for a few bucks more I'm willing to say that she'd probably call you in the middle of sex too.

    5. Re:Most req's silly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not write a program to wake you up in the morning... you are a programmer, are you not?

    6. Re:Most req's silly... by dJCL · · Score: 1

      Simple rule, no computers in the bedroom...

      My rule too, I had to fight my previous GF to keep them out, she wanted to bring one in...

      OI

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      On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
  33. Amen, brother. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Easy to snooze, but hard to accidentally turn off completely. Bonus points if turning it off means being cognizant enough to operate a screwdriver or tool of some kind.

    I had exactly this problem. I solved it by getting an alarm clock loud enough to wake me up from across the room (RadioShack, $15 tops). Caltrops can be useful to make it so that walking across your room is difficult. Now I've trained myself pretty well to snooze rather than disable the alarm, but the walk across the room is helpful because it means that even getting up to hit snooze wakes me up a little.

    When I was in a smaller room (everything could be reached without getting out of bed), I wrapped packing tape around the off button on the alarm. I could only hit snooze unless I removed the tape.

    I can't tell you how many mornings I woke up struggling to remove that tape.

    The only way I've ever had decent sleeping habits was when I spent time outdoors away from any artificial light. Within 24 hours, I perfectly adjusted to falling asleep at sundown and waking just before sun up. Weird to think that I was going to sleep at 8:30 PM and waking up at 5:00 AM without any prompting.

    I wish I had the self control to do that normally.

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    There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
    1. Re:Amen, brother. by mdielmann · · Score: 2, Funny

      I once (and only once) had an alarm clock where the alarm and snooze button were broken. The only way to stop the damned thing was to unplug it. It was working pretty well until I woke up one morning, and realized that I didn't have to go anywhere. When I tried to unplug it, it wouldn't come out - it was jammed behind the bed. So here I am, laying on my bed, eyes closed, slamming this clock against the basement floor, hearing it make sounds it was never meant to make. It finally died, and when I finally woke up, I was still holding it. Those were the days...

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    2. Re:Amen, brother. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Now I've trained myself pretty well to snooze rather than disable the alarm, but the walk across the room is helpful because it means that even getting up to hit snooze wakes me up a little.

      Ah, now this doesn't work for me anymore and hasn't for years. I really noticed it when in one college dorm room, I had to roll-over, hop down from a best that was elevated to mid-rib cage height onto my right leg, tap the snooze button, and hop back up into bed with one leg to continue sleeping for the next 7 minutes. I once did this for over 90 minutes without remembering more than two instances of being awoken. I autopiloted the rest.

      In my next place of residence, I slept in a lofted area with my alarm clock below me. I trained myself accidentally to be able to sit up, grab a wooden sword, and stab the button below me without fully gaining consciousness. In my current residence, I once hit the snooze button (by getting up and walking) for over three hours.

      It's a little frightening to realize just how much we are capable of without conscious thought.

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    3. Re:Amen, brother. by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I really need an alarm that allows you to record a holographic message.

      "Hey, Jackass. You said you wanted to get up at 7:00, and it sounded like you meant it. No, you cannot skip a shower this morning. No, one more snooze means you'll probably forget to shave. Yes, you have to brush your teeth every morning. No. No snoozing AT ALL."

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    4. Re:Amen, brother. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Nah. Wouldn't work -- I'm pretty fast despite being only semi-conscious. It'd only get as far as "Hey, Jackass." before getting knocked out and it would eventually be meaningless noise in my brain.

      I am tempted, however, to buy one of those puzzle clocks that someone else pointed out, though the idea of trying to wire a game of Simon and an alarm clock together is just so incredibly tempting.

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    5. Re:Amen, brother. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention that whatever part of my brain controls my motor skills in the moring is very good at deciding to put me back into bed and pull the covers over my head while I'm literally screaming at myself in my head, "No! What are you doing? Get the fuck up and... Not the sheets -- oh, dammit. ZZZZZZ..."

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  34. Bed Wetter by Drew+Frezell · · Score: 1

    I've found if I drink several glasses of water before I go to bed, I tend to wake up and stay awake when the alarm goes off. I guess this isn't the solution for a cronic bed-wetter, but every little thing helps. Drew

    1. Re:Bed Wetter by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      I had actually heard somewhere (on TV, not sure what show) that people in the military will do this. The natural 'urge' in the morning can definitely aid in waking up.

      I've yet to try this since I heard about it. Perhaps I'll give it a go tonight...

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  35. Welcome to the human body clock! by hlygrail · · Score: 1

    Most sleep researchers have concluded that the human body clock runs around 25 hours per cycle. The obvious conflict with our 24-hour terrestrial/lunar/solar-based clock is noticed by more than few folks who've replied already. It's nice to see that I'm not the only one that has to "reset" on a regular (bi-weekly) basis by staying up all night, crashing hard the following evening, and is then able to function again during "normal people" hours. If it were me, I'd sleep from 2am - 10am on a rolling basis, forward by about 45 min. each night. By Friday, that means I'm not in bed until early daylight (6:15am-ish) and awake again around 2pm. Being unemployed (again) has not helped keep this under control, to be sure... :) As to the alarm clock solution -- others have given good suggestions, but the best one really is to NOT put your alarm clock nearby. Also, set it to music, and put it on some cRap station really loud so it annoys the cRap out of you when you wake up. :)

    1. Re:Welcome to the human body clock! by DynaSoar · · Score: 2, Funny

      hlygrail (700685) sez: "Most sleep researchers have concluded that the human body clock runs around 25 hours per cycle. The obvious conflict with our 24-hour terrestrial/lunar/solar-based clock is noticed by more than few folks who've replied already."

      This is a very disturbing discrepency. The human diurnal cycle does not match the earth's rotation. If humans evolved here, you'd expect it to be 24 hours, or even less (the earth's rotation is slowing, from less than 24 hours).

      Evolutionarily, we can only come to one conclusion: humans did not originate on earth. Furthermore, there is only one planet we know of that has a rotation that matches humans' 25 hour diurnal rhythm: Mars.

      Don't blame ME if the facts make sense; I'm only a scientist.

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    2. Re:Welcome to the human body clock! by splattertrousers · · Score: 1
      Evolutionarily, we can only come to one conclusion: humans did not originate on earth

      Uh, right. Scientists have come up with a better conclusion: the 25 hour day myth is based on bad science. The human body's cycle is 24 hours.

    3. Re:Welcome to the human body clock! by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      Without the input of a strong day/night cycle, our day cycle tends to settle on a 25-26 hour day, but this varies from person to person. With a strong day/night cycle, it settles on a 24 hour day. But the pattern of this day changes with age:

      Young children tend to go to sleep around sundown, and sleep solidly until sunup. The times of sleep and wakefullness get later with age, so that teenagers and young adults tend to go to sleep late at night, and sleep until well after sunup (there's a reason high-school students have trouble getting up in time for school!). From about age 25-30 to late middle age, the pattern is sleep from shortly after sundown, followed by a period of wakefulness in the middle of the night, then another period of sleep until around sunup. From late middle age onwards, the pattern is to go to sleep around sundown, getting up well before sunrise.

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  36. Old USENET post by Asprin · · Score: 1


    I remember a USENET post from a few (10?) years ago from a guy that had trouble power-snoozing, so he wrote a program for his computer to play obnoxious WAV files continuously until he could successfully factor five random integers into their prime components.

    No, Google couldn't find the original post. (Sorry.)

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    1. Re:Old USENET post by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      I've tried something similar. The answer too often turned out to be the power cord.

      I've heard of people who set a cron job with 'rm -rf /' as serious incentive to get out of bed, but I don't have the balls.

  37. Here is how to make a great alarm clock. by Organized+Konfusion · · Score: 5, Funny

    Write a shell script to beep your pc speaker continually for 10 minutes after this time, it should preceed to rm -rf / *

    Set cron to start this script whatever time you want to wake up.

    When you hear the beeping you will run to your computer to send an interupt, the adrenaline rush will wake you up.

    1. Re:Here is how to make a great alarm clock. by Suidae · · Score: 1

      My similar idea was to use a nice quite alarm clock set for about 1 minute before one or more of those indestructable 120db monsters with no 'off' button is set to go off. After sleeping through it once and having to sprint from the room with hands over ears, the adrenalin rush upon waking to disable the loud clocks should be sufficent to keep you up.

    2. Re:Here is how to make a great alarm clock. by Muggins+the+Mad · · Score: 1

      > Write a shell script to beep your pc speaker continually for 10 minutes after this time, it should preceed to rm -rf / *

      Great until you stay the night at a friends place.

      - Muggins the Mad

  38. Use a radio by mnmn · · Score: 1

    I have exactly the same prob, and beside getting my mom to wake me up, what works is a radio on a timer for me. Its tuned to a news channel, and constant babble gets more of my attention and wakes me up much better than an alarm that I get USED to over time. The radio channel should be a news channel and not music, so theres some kind of talk that grabs your attention.

    Try this, else a clock with multiple alarms paced at 15 minutes. If you get up regularly daily for several months, you DO get tuned to that time and will awake even without a clock, but a single long weekend puts an end to it.

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  39. Call Yoko Ono by dacarr · · Score: 1

    A singing voice like hers can wake the dead.

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  40. My life with alarm clocks by SolemnDragon · · Score: 2, Informative
    Ten years ago, i used to be hell on alarm clocks. I had to put it on the far side of the room, because if i didn't, i'd just shut it off and go back to bed. (it's in the family; my brother can cheerfully sleep through an hour and a half of alarm clock, until somebody else in the household would get annoyed enough to go shut it off and kick him till he woke up.) I kept the one alarm clock plan in place until the morning i woke up smashing the thing against the shelf, because i couldn't figure out how to shut it off and wasn't really awake yet. It didn't work any more after that.

    Now, i have two alarm clocks- one at the head of the bed, and one across the room. The one at the head of my bed is my handheld, which has three alarms, each more annoying than the last. By the time the one across the room goes off, i'm ready to wake up... But in case i'm not, the handheld goes off fifteen minutes later, on the same set-of-three schedule. Eventually, it gets annoying enough to wake me completely.

    On an interesting side note, when we moved into a house that my family lived in some years back, one window was broken. Outwards. Lying in the broken glass- this was a real 'fixer-upper' of a house- was a rusted alarm clock. We looked at it for a moment, realised what had happened, and just laughed. (Remembering how early i've had to wake up for some of the times i've moved, i can honestly say it's only luck that i've never done the same.)

  41. simulated dawn by cabingirl · · Score: 1
    I've always wanted to try one of these. The gradual light is supposed to wake you up in a more natural fashion. However, I don't know anyone who's actually tried one.

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    1. Re:simulated dawn by Jerf · · Score: 1

      I want to try one. But $100+ for a programmable dimmer switch, sold by sites that look and sound like I'm one click away from therapeutic magnets, scares me away.

      The theory sounds good, especially as I now live in a north facing apartment (in the northern hemisphere), but I'm going to want to try one of these out, or talk to people with experience with the product with no personal interest in selling, before I throw that much money down the hole.

      A money-back guarentee might do it for me but I haven't found one yet. This itself is kind of suspicious...

      Anyhow, I'd also be interested in comment from people who have used one of these; I'm especially interested in "Did it work even six months after you started using it?" (It's no trick to wake up easily for a day or two for me; I haven't managed to sustain it yet.)

    2. Re:simulated dawn by stanmann · · Score: 1

      look toward the bottom of the page... at the 80 and 100 dollar models that include an alarm. I saw an infomercial(now I know about infomercials but) on these things and they seemed fairly interesting The only problem is that if you have an SO on a different schedule than you are...

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  42. Horrible music by Loki · · Score: 1

    Good speakers and a shell script that runs via cron:

    mpg123 -q /mp3/_single/aqua-barbie_girl-german_version.mp3

    It's enough to make anyone wake up and run across the room to kill -9 the dammed thing.

  43. Turn on the light by aoteoroa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just as a dark room helps us sleep. . . light helps us wake up. How about getting a bedroom light that plugs into the wall and use a simple timer from RadioShack as a supplement to your alarm.

    1. Re:Turn on the light by Brynath · · Score: 1

      That is, a really Good Idea!

    2. Re:Turn on the light by ambient · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I used to do that... But your body adapts, and soon enough, you don't notice the light anymore. (or you just pull the covers over your head).

      I *have* moved the alarm to the other side of the bedroom, so I would have to walk accross the room to turn it off. I still ended up going back to bed. There have been times when I have woken up to the alarm clock, and had no idea what it was, or how do make it stop. Luckily the alarm clock survived. :)

      It takes me ~30 minutes in the morning to completely wake up (after I get up). After hitting the snooze button for about an hour or so, I get up and read the paper until I feel fully awake.

      The best I have found is to go to bed at a fixed time and STICK TO IT! You will eventually start waking up right on time, even without usuing an alarm clock.

    3. Re:Turn on the light by Blkdeath · · Score: 1
      Just as a dark room helps us sleep. . . light helps us wake up. How about getting a bedroom light that plugs into the wall and use a simple timer from RadioShack as a supplement to your alarm.

      The problem with that solution is the natural function of the human iris. At night, when dark, it opens as wide as possible to allow any small amount of light to enter. When you suddenly turn on a light, especially when you're groggy and aren't fully conscious enough to adjust yourself, you'll wind up with a headache and, as another poster suggested, you'll adapt and find yourself sleeping with the covers over your head, your face in the pillow, or turning off your light with your eyes closed.

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    4. Re:Turn on the light by cyberman11 · · Score: 1

      I've struggled with this same problem for years, and adjusting the day/night light cycle really works for me, as long as I also turn the lights off early enough each night. I need about 10 hours of darkness each day. Luckily, watching TV in the dark (making sure the TV is far enough away from me to not give too much light) counts as dark. Surfing the net in the dark doesn't work for me because the computer screen is too bright and too close. So here is what I do: I turn off all lights except my TV by 9 PM (I know, TV is boring - actually, that helps put me to sleep!) and a timer turns a bright light on at 7 AM. When I stick with that schedule, I fall asleep naturally before midnight and I wake up feeling refreshed without needing any alarm before 8 AM. The tough part for me is turning the computer off by 9 PM. If I keep looking at a brightly lit computer monitor late at night, or keep my room lights on late at night, no amount of bright light in the morning will wake me up. Similarly, if I don't have a light automatically turn on an hour before my wake up time, no amount of going to bed early will actually get me to sleep early, I just lie in bed awake later and later each night. When I control the lighting like this, my sleep time automatically adjusts by about two hours a week until I'm falling asleep and waking up when I want to. It takes about a week to start noticing the change. Good luck.

    5. Re:Turn on the light by danlyke · · Score: 1

      Yes! I've been doing this for over a year now, and it's amazing how well it works. A reasonable bank of flourescents (I use a fixture sold under the brand name "HappyLite" or something similar) makes me comfortably *want* to get up at most half an hour after the lights go on. But that's only on the sleepy mornings, normally it's just a wonderfully non-jarring way to wake up.

      I can't praise lights as an alarm clock enough.

    6. Re:Turn on the light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use an older compact fluorescent. They have a long warm-up time, such that you won't be blinded for 5-10 minutes.

      Of course, where to find an *older* CF in this modern age could be a problem, but something like a 40W incandescent won't kill you in the morning, if it's in a shade. (Why do people always use such bright lights at night, anyway?)

    7. Re:Turn on the light by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > How about getting a bedroom light that plugs into the wall and use a
      > simple timer

      I tried that back in high school. I found it to be ineffective. I also tried
      music, to no avail. These stimuli weren't strong enough to penetrate my sleep.
      I'm a heavy sleeper.

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    8. Re:Turn on the light by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Luckily, watching TV in the dark (making sure the TV is far enough away
      > from me to not give too much light) counts as dark.

      Heh. I have black plastic over the window and typically turn off my lamps
      *hours* before bed, so the only light is the monitor and assorted LEDs. The
      monitor, despite being a 19" CRT, produces less light than you would think,
      due to my pervasive use of a soft, tertiary color scheme (#FFE6BC foreground
      elements on #294D4A background elements; *everything* follows this -- my web
      browser (page colors are always off), panels, Emacs, GTK theme, Qt theme,
      everything). My family accuses me of living in a cave.

      I spend about 165 hours/week indoors, so I get easily more than 10 hours/day
      of relative darkness. I *do* have three incandescent lamps in my bedroom,
      but most of the time I don't use them, and I very seldom use more than one
      at a time unless someone else is present who likes light more than I do.

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    9. Re:Turn on the light by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > (I know, TV is boring - actually, that helps put me to sleep!)

      I don't have the necessary amount of massochism to make myself watch TV.
      (Really: last time I watched broadcast television was in 2000. Last time
      I watched cable TV was 1997. I have seen some movies more recently, such
      as LOTR:ROTK.)

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    10. Re:Turn on the light by qqtortqq · · Score: 1

      I set up an alarm plugin for xmms that would start playing music and gradually fade it up. When it got too loud, i was forced out of bed, had to unlock X with my password, and then hit the tiny little stop button with the trackball. After that i am usuallt awake.

    11. Re:Turn on the light by La+Fortezza · · Score: 1

      I'll do ya one better.

      Occasionally the alarm clock buzzer/music will infiltrate my dream and I go absolutely insane trying to find the orgin of the noise. I've dreamt about smashing an alarm clock to pieces only to find out that didn't work.

      At some point, I usually realize that I'm dreaming and wake up, =).

    12. Re:Turn on the light by stanmann · · Score: 1

      there is such a device

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    13. Re:Turn on the light by Lord+Dimwit+Flathead · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this happens to me too - the most recent was a few months ago. For some reason, my PC started beeping at me, and it was driving me nuts. I was closing applications and fiddling with volume controls for the longest time; I finally shut the thing down only to get more pissed as the beeping continued. Eventually, I woke up and realized I was going to be late for work.

  44. Earth days not long enough? by ceri · · Score: 1

    > It's not that I don't get enough sleep (I go to bed at night when I get sleepy), but my body tends to want a day longer than 24 hours

    Maybe you should just join the NASA Mars team, who "have adopted a Mars schedule, coordinating their waking and sleeping patterns with Martian days, which are nearly 40 minutes longer than those on Earth."

  45. REMOVE THE OFF BUTTON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I had to do. I also put it far enough from the bed that I have to get up find the plug and unplug it. By the time I've done all that I'm coherent enough to know that I can't just go back to bed.

  46. Now this is what you need... by mpath · · Score: 1
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  47. Not unusual at all. by devphil · · Score: 1
    but my body tends to want a day longer than 24 hours,

    You and everybody else. Welcome to the human race, where the default normal physiology is perfectly adapted to a 25 hour day. Actually something like 24h 50-odd minutes, I think. Why 25 hours and not what actually exists? Nobody knows, but there are lots of theories (all untestable and unprovable).

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  48. My alarm clock.. by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

    30 7 * * * zcat aumix -v30 ; madplay -z /media/music/*/*.mp3 &
    33 7 * * * zcat aumix -v35
    35 7 * * * zcat aumix -v40 .. and it's loud enough. I have a nice amp and speakers (150W RMS per channel).

    To switch it off I have to log in and "killall madplay", so I'm usually fairly awake by then.

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  49. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't people discipline their cats?

    My wife's cats NEVER wake me up. They know I will feed them when I wake up, and they know not to wake me up to get fed. They also know to keep the noise down at night.

    Keep a good squirt bottle by the bed. I can easily hit the cats from 20 feet.

  50. This may be overkill by DuckDuckBOOM! · · Score: 1

    for your needs. . .or not. A friend of mine uses a programmable X10 controller to gradually ramp up the room lights and stereo volume starting 30 min. or so before desired wake-up time. Required: the controller, either clock- or PC-driven; the newer lamp dimmer module(s) that'll start from "off" (the older ones have to start at full "on", then dim); X10->IR interface & emitter for the stereo. Browsing SmartHome, it looks like the IR coupler for volume control is the expensive part; everything else can be had for probably $30 if you shop around a bit.
    Of course you can add wattage and intelligence to the setup as needed. He's currently working on an applet that'll take input from one of those cheap four-button Radio Shack controllers as a one-keypress "wake me in 6/7/8/9 hours" override of the default wake-up time.

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  51. Melatonin [Was: Re:Learn To Sleep!] by GuanoBoy · · Score: 1
    Ditto on the melatonin suggestion.

    I love the stuff.

    Start out with the 100mg dose and see what that does for you. You may need to progress to the 300mg dose.

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    1. Re:Melatonin [Was: Re:Learn To Sleep!] by Pathwalker · · Score: 1

      100-300 mg ???

      On the rare occasions when I use melatonin, I take a 3mg capsule, open it up, and take about a quarter of it.

      The effective threshold for melatonin is not that large of a dose - you should only need a tiny amount for it to be effective.

    2. Re:Melatonin [Was: Re:Learn To Sleep!] by GuanoBoy · · Score: 1

      Are you sure it's not 1 to 3 mcg that you mean?

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    3. Re:Melatonin [Was: Re:Learn To Sleep!] by GuanoBoy · · Score: 1
      Wait a sec, that's not right, either. Time to stop and do the math.


      The dosage varies depending on the manufacturer. I've seen doses as low as 100mcg per tablet up to 3mg per tablet.


      The usual warning is not to exceed 3mg per day.

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  52. Mac by TheDarkRogue · · Score: 1

    What I did for a while worked pretty good for a while, then my subconcious learned a way around it :|

    I had an old Performa 630 with a TV Card in it, had the TV app turn on at startup, and had the computer turn it self on abit before I wanted to wake up. Then I took the keyboard and stuck it in another room, so I'd have to take a small walk to shut it off. Now I have this nice GE clock radio with 2 alarms in it next to my bed along side a $10 "Super Loud" one I got from CVS, another one of those in the opisite corner of the room, and a third on the far wall. To top that off I have one of those clamp light thingies with a really bright florecent bulb in it hooked up to a normal timer so it hits me with light about 30 minutes before I wanna be up. It works sometimes

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  53. My old Nokia 6150 by forged · · Score: 1
    Waking up in the morning is a matter of self-control !

    To help to the task, my old Nokia 6150 was very loud for the bell volume when used as alarm clck. Its rings gradually got louder until really loud and annoying. My current 6310i isn't quite as loud, which is a pity.

    The trick is to keep the phone sufficiently close to the bed that it will bother you enormously if you don't stop it, but far enough that you can't just extend your arm and turn it off without having to get up first. One person's desk (if in the bedroom) is a good place to be. Once up, don't even _think_ about your bed anymore.. instead, forceyourself to navigate to the shower while in radar/semi-sleep mode.

  54. try this...getting a fscking grip on yourself by avi33 · · Score: 0

    I don't mean go Dr. Phil on you, but really, blaming your laziness on your miscalibrated internal clock is ridiculous.

    Eat well. Exercise. Don't frag all night, smoke pot, or keep inconsistent hours, tell yourself 'I will get out of bed at a reasonable hour because I'm in charge of my body, not the other way around.' Above all, just take control of your freaking self.

    It's not a goddamn technical problem, it's a mental problem. Maybe a medical one, like low blood pressure, who knows, maybe you should Go Ask Doctor. A psychological one? Maybe you don't want to get out bed because your waking life doesn't stoke your coals. Perhaps you need a dominatrix to beat you awake.

    Jeezus christ, people get through med school, look after newborns, are workaholics, and since the dawn of time, have pretty much been able to get their asses out of bed without 6 alarm clocks strategically set and placed throughout the room.

    ok, maybe I'm cranky and didn't get enough sleep last night, but wtf is this doing here? Dear slashdot, I can't stop smoking/eating/drinking/sleeping/fragging too much. Anyone out there have a technical answer to my inability to take charge over my own life?

    1. Re:try this...getting a fscking grip on yourself by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you assume everybody is like you, and therefore lazy or a pot-head if they have trouble sleeping.

      Some of us don't get to sleep well. I know *I* don't. I can lay in bed for hours without sleeping. No matter how dark, cool, quiet the room is.

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      - Charles Darwin
  55. What about a wake up call? by dhwang · · Score: 1

    What happens when someone calls you while you are sleeping? Does that wake you up and get you coherent enough to answer it? If so, try using the alarm feature on your cell phone to "call" yourself in the morning, or some other way to get yourself a wake up call.

    Phone calls are harder to ignore than alarms, because there's always the potential that it is an important call (such as your boss calling to yell at you for oversleeping again).

  56. Use an Mp3 Alarm Clock by CptChipJew · · Score: 1

    If you were going to go the route of building a cheap computer to do this, what software would you use to do it?

    Use a computer you're alright with having on all night, and find an alarm clock program that plays Mp3s at a specific time. Then crank your speakers up, it's sure to wake you up.

    If you have a Mac, there's a good one out there called Mp3 Alarm Clock that has the features you wanted (reducing snooze time, gradual volume increase).

    I've been scaring myself awake for a couple of years now, and I'm a very heavy sleeper.

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    1. Re:Use an Mp3 Alarm Clock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But he wants geek appeal. So it has to be an Ogg Vorbis alarm clock.

      Or an iTMS AAC alarm clock that (IMPORTANT!) rips away the DRM before playing it.

  57. Same here by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    I have that problem too. I'm able to turn off the alarm clock without really being fully awake, and not remember ever doing so. It's a loud alarm clock, and I've put it out of reach where I have to get up and walk to turn it off, but I think it's just made me a better sleep walker.

    No extremely practical solutions come to mind though. Perhaps two alarm clocks on opposite sides of the room, set to go off maybe 20 minutes apart.

  58. hate to say this but.... by techgeek10101 · · Score: 0

    get married and have a kid. I guarantee you will NEVER sleep in again.

  59. MP3 v. 3 alarm by iamsure · · Score: 3, Funny

    I had at one point 3 alarms, at opposition points in the room for this very purpose.

    No more.

    Instead, I use a system tray application that plays mp3's as an alarm.

    Now heres the kicker - you have to right click on the icon in the system tray for it to deactivate.

    When your resolution is 1280+, and its first thing in the morning, you generally *will* wake up in the process of:

    Turning the $(*^ed monitor on
    Moving the sleeping cordless mouse
    Moving it to the system tray
    Right clicking the CORRECT icon

    As in that wasnt enough, I have two scheduled: one for early, and one for "I'm going to be late for work!".

    The controls to deactivate one or the other is not the kind of thing you can do without waking up.

    For the record, the MP3 I play is the sound clip from "So I married an Axe Murderer", in which Mike Meyers does the great routine about a kid with a huge head..

    "HEAD! PAPER! NOW!" (and it goes on for ~ 20 seconds and then loops).

    Very jarring, very loud, and yet, after over 100 days of hearing it, I still laugh when he says.. "That was offsides.. yeah, he's going to cry himself to sleep on his HUGE PILLOW".

    1. Re:MP3 v. 3 alarm by iamsure · · Score: 1

      The application is: TCLOCK!

  60. Try Rotating Alarms by TomHenderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have the same problem. I'm going to go in for a sleep study, but until then, I rotate alarms. For me, it seems that after a while, I will get used to an alarm's sound and learn to ignore it. After selecting a new alarm sound (alarm clock beep, radio, palm pilot alarm, cel phone alarm) every 2-3 weeks, I wake up faster. Also, having something that lights up or vibrates helps, too.

  61. Here is the solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I am a heavy sleeper, also. Found this Timex branded clock radio with all the features I wanted, and then some. I use the model T300BT but there are many variations. Check out this web site, but there is a good chance you'll find these at a nearby big-box electronics store.

    http://www.timexaudio.com/Cat-A.asp idsubcategory=69

  62. Get a roommate. . . and this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's an idea. If you _NEED_ to get up in the morning. . .

    this is what we call
    wakeup juice


    just make sure that the alarm is going off when you drink the juice, followed by the snooze button. . . until you want to wake up on your own. Otherwise you may never

    Lose the snooze permanently


    The more you know. . . the less you want to know.

  63. Heavy sleeping is fixable by hal9000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I tend to be a heavy sleeper and lazy waker. When I was younger, the alarm volume used to get progressively louder (bumping it up a notch after sleeping through something important) until I had my stereo probably close to all the way up. Still overslept. The key, for me, was mind practice.

    When I go to sleep, I no longer just lie down and thoughtlessly drift into sleep. When I do that, I tend to wake up in the same state of mind: thoughtlessly drifting. When I lie down to sleep nowadays, I make my plan for the next morning. Even if it's the routine plan, I force myself to think about what time I need to be up and out of bed by. Bring it all to the front of my mind. What I've found is that, when I wake up after having done this, I feel prepared for the day and spring out of bed -- without residual sluggishness.

    And a cool side effect? My alarm clock radio is barely audible. It's as if preparing myself to hear that sound, the night before, makes actually picking it up from the depths of sleep really easy.

    Only time I oversleep anymore is when my liver needs a little extra rest.

    YMMV of course.

    --
    Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology; Ain't got time to make no apology
  64. To The Clock and Back Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Narcoleptic's Journey....

    I had this guys problem. But you make some assumptions. At 6'4" with an overly long torso, and correspondingly overly short legs, I have discovered, that there are few places in a 10' by 12' room I cannot reach. Even during feats of spectacular narcoleptic athleticism.

    Ultimately my solution was to move the alram clock when I caught myself aiming immediatly straigh for it with out really locating it.

    Once upon a time I had a design for just such an alarm clock as he requests. But I found out that such things aren't made or designed in the US, I was SOL.

    It was at the end of the cold war, so the idea was to shape it like a MIRV and it could play either the Star Spangled Banner, or Soviet National Anthem John Philips Souza style, loud. To turn it off, one would have to perform a complex task. Sort of disarmming it. It would house two counter rotating cylinders that interlocked sort of like a child proof cap. This would turn off the clock and reset it for tomorrow. No snooze, because making decisions about how much time you've really got while in an impared state with a warm pillow is bad. (Well it's bad for me.)

    My thinking was that, over time, just I would learn to pre-aim for the alarm clock, the alarm clock + easy puzzle would learn me to wake up more quickly.

    Those brutal firealarms they have in dorms? I have slept through them too.

  65. Sleep Apnea by avoelker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You might consider having a sleep clinic check you out for sleep apnea. Just a thought, in case you haven't considered it.

    1. Re:Sleep Apnea by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > You might consider having a sleep clinic check you out for sleep apnea.
      > Just a thought, in case you haven't considered it.

      Actually, I'm quite familiar with this condition, because my dad has a pretty
      bad case of it. (He's on thirteen pounds of CPAP.) I don't believe this is
      my problem however. I only snore when I have a cold, and I don't get tired
      during the day unless I'm sick. It's only the first few minutes in the
      morning that are a problem. I just wake up slowly. FWIW, I fall asleep
      slowly too; I generally lay in bed and think for about an hour before falling
      asleep. (That's *not* characteristic of sleep apnea. Right before my dad
      was diagnosed, he was nodding off if he sat down for more than thirty seconds,
      any time of day.)

      --
      Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
    2. Re:Sleep Apnea by pcmanjon · · Score: 1

      >You might consider having a sleep clinic >check
      >you out for sleep apnea. Just a thought, in case >
      you haven't considered it. I know I have it, but that damn machine they put you on drives me crazy

  66. Exercise by Xenopax · · Score: 1

    I found it much easier to wake up in the morning after I started to exercise. Also, losing weight helps since you don't have to get as much moving in the morning. ;)

  67. Beleive it or not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they can get blood from your stones.

    It's not just half of what you have, it's half of what you'll ever have.

    If she has your little brother and the person you hate most in all the world double team her in a sex romp and sends the video to your dad and sells it to all your friends, has a kid (not yours) and puts your name on the birth certificate, she'll get half, and the kid will get his too (out of your share, not hers).

  68. Do you have Sleep Apneia? by Dolemite_the_Wiz · · Score: 1

    This is the most common cause of not waking up on time, still feeling tired in the morning, and repeatedly waking up later in the day.

    In short, you are breathing incorrectly at night causing the effects of heavy sleep. your nasal passages are not getting any air for some reason or another and you are breathing through your mouth. If you wake up with dry mouth and/or clogged sinuses you more than likely have Sleep Apenia. Check with your doctor if you suspect that this is the problem.

    My problem was that I needed two types of nasal decongestant to keep my sinuses clear. Once I got the Medicine on a set schedule, I was able to sleep eight hours and get up the next morning with no problems.

    However, If you're just waking up after only sleeping a few hours...alarm Clocks with Truck Horns should do the trick. I used to work on call for a 24/7 internet web site and, through my boss's inepitude, threw my sleep and work schedule WAY off to the point where I just went to work when I woke up. No matter what the hour was.

    Dolemite
    ___________________

    --
    Save the World! Use a Quote!
  69. This a abnormal. Get checked. by stienman · · Score: 1

    It's not that I don't get enough sleep (I go to bed at night when I get sleepy), but my body tends to want a day longer than 24 hours, and I have to use an alarm to keep myself on a constant schedule with the rest of the world; otherwise, I get up a little later each day and pretty soon I'm sleeping till noon.

    Logically only one of the following two things can be true given your description above:
    1) If you hold your bedtime constant, you sleep later and later each day until you are sleeping 24/7
    2) If you sleep later and later each day and the above is not true, then how late you wake up is a function that partially depends on the time you go to bed.

    For the vast majority of humans, 2) is true. If the time you wake up is mostly or completely independant of the time you go to bed then you should see a sleep clinic immediately. An easy way to check is to go to bed within 30 minutes of a set time consistantly for a few weeks, at least 8 hours before you need to awake for whatever your daily tasks require, and set your alarm for 8 hours after that time.

    If, after two weeks of 8 solid hours of sleep a night, you still have a problem waking up to the average alarm clock then get checked. You may also need to have your hearing checked.

    The upshot is that it is unlikely that you are simply a heavy sleeper. It is more likely that you are simply not allowing yourself enough time to sleep at night. If you wait until you feel too tired to continue doing what you are doing, then you are stretching the hours past the time your body should be asleep.

    After you get on a sleeping schedule, you'll feel better, recover from illness and injury faster, and generally have better/more level hormones which will often increase your happiness and general well being.

    It's worth the effort, and believe me - you aren't missing out on anything by turning off the tv, computer, etc and sleeping.

    -Adam

  70. Not particularly loud, but... by mfujie · · Score: 1

    For me, the solution was a Zen Alarm Clock. I can sleep though the buzzing/beeping of a normal clock, but the chimes on this one always wake me up. It does the "progressively shorter time between rings" thing, and since there's no snooze button on mine, if I want additional time I've got to wake up enough to reset it manually. Good stuff. mark

  71. You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 0

    If you are having real trouble waking up, it probably really does mean that you are not getting enough sleep, and if you have to be up at a certain time, you need to arrange to go to sleep early enough that you do in fact get enough sleep. Trust me, your body does not have a >24hour natural sleep cycle.

    One thing that can help is to sleep in a location where the rising sun will wake you up - that is, don't close the curtains, and don't sleep in the darkest room in the house.

    With respect to alarms that are painful but not injurious, you have it backwards. If the sound is loud enough to be painful, it _is_ injurious. Even sounds that are not painful can be injurious, depending on how long they last.

    1. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      Why do you say that (s)he doesn't have a >24hr natural sleep cycle? It's well documented that younger people (such as teenagers) have a >24hr sleep cycle, and that as one grows older that cycle time tends to decrease. As a result, the elderly frequently have a cycle time less than 24hrs, causing them to wake early, and go to bed early (thus the early dinner.)

      In more extreme situations (possibly such as this one) the sleeper may have DSPS (Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome) in which the circadian clock (which governs sleep) works on more than 24hrs by a signifigant amount. Cases of 30 or more hours have been documented. I, myself, have DSPS, albeight not major at only around 26 hours.

      Trust you? I think not!

    2. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's sure handy when you have a syndrome that you can blame for your problems. That way you don't have to solve them.

      I will admit that my advice isn't as good as some of the people who've responded who actually *have* sleep disorders, but the bottom line is that if you are having trouble waking up every morning, there's something wrong - it's not just a natural thing that you should accept, and the solution isn't an alarm clock that will damage your hearing. It's to address the problem in your sleep cycle.

    3. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      You're right- there is something wrong. And steps need to be taken to address the problem. Merely going to bed earlier, as you suggest, however, does _not_ help. Yeah, damaging one's hearing is not the solution either, but that's not what Cliff is suggesting, since I think you missed the exaggeration.

      What's this shit about not solving the problem, anyway? Finding the cause of the problem is the first step in solving it! Through my diagnosis, I was able to learn about it, and my sleeping is now under control. It's still not easy, and I still require a loud alarm clock, but there are steps one can take to control it.

      BTW, for anyone who may find it useful, there is a book called "No More Sleepless Nights" by Peter Hauri and Shirley Linde. I found it to be very informative and useful.
      http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/deta il/-/0471 149047/qid=1073366021/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-903798 1-1773617?v=glance&s=books

    4. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      If you have a sleep disorder, then knowing what it is is helpful. However, if you just aren't getting enough sleep, getting more sleep helps. And if you have to get up at a certain time, then going to bed earlier helps. Getting a louder alarm clock when you don't even know what's wrong isn't the right thing to do.

      I'm very skeptical about the idea that the average teenager lives on a 26-hour sleep cycle, as you've claimed. I don't remember that being the case for me or any of my friends when I was a teenager. It just doesn't make sense - it's an extraordinary claim. So it sounds more like an excuse for oversleeping after staying up too late than it sounds like an actual syndrome.

    5. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      I never said that teenagers run on 26 hour cycles. I said that I do. Normal teenagers' cycles are less than that. I'm unsure about the number. Most teenagers have trouble getting up in the morning- and it's not always because they were out (or in, for the /. crowd) late the night before.

      Getting more sleep _does_ help. Just going to bed earlier does _not_ help, however, and can be counter-productive. For people with DSPS, going to bed early means lying in bed awake for sometime. It doesn't mean getting more sleep. Furthermore, lying in bed awake is a bad "habit" for the brain to "learn" as it makes it harder to fall asleep in the future.

    6. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      The reason I keep arguing with you is that you keep making categorical statements like "most teenagers this" and "getting to bed earlier that", without qualifying them by saying in what cases they are applicable.

      Getting to bed earlier *does* help if your problem is simply that you're not going to bed early enough to get enough sleep by the time you have to get up the next morning. It doesn't help if you have a sleep disorder and you're not going to get to sleep anyway. It also doesn't help if you've got a caffeine buzz when you go to sleep, or if you just did a major breath-oriented physical workout - e.g., a yoga class.

      However, it is still the first thing to try if you find yourself comatose when the alarm goes off. If it doesn't work, you should definitely try something else. The key to solving any problem like this is figuring out what works *for you*, because the same things don't work for everybody.

    7. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      All true... but we've been talking about sleep disorders. I don't have to qualify my statements because they are in the context of a sleep disorders discussion.

    8. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      No, we're not talking about sleep disorders! We're talking about someone who claims to be a heavy sleeper. My theory is that he's not getting enough sleep. That seems like a good place to start in debugging the problem. Possibly the end result will be that he turns out to have a sleep disorder, but there are things to try first.

    9. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      He said in the post that his clock runs more than 24hrs! You disputed that, and you were wrong! If his clock is greater than 24hrs by a significant amount (and it sounds like it is) there's a good chance he has DSPS. And we definately were talking about sleep disorders. All of the posts off your original have been about sleep disorders! I'd call that talking about sleep disorders. Have you been reading this, or just responding to key words in my responses?

    10. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1
      He said in the post that his clock runs more than 24hrs! You disputed that, and you were wrong!


      No, I was neither wrong nor right. I was hypothesizing based on my own personal experience and that of people I know. It is much more common to *think* your clock is running longer than 24 hours than it is that it actually *is* running longer than that. Usually when we *think* this is what's happening, what's actually happening is that we are not getting enough sleep. Not getting enough sleep then leads to wrapping around, as our body tries to compensate by sleeping later. This leads to a perception of having a >24 hour clock.

      I am not saying that there is nobody who has a >24 hour clock. What I am saying is that it isn't the first thing I'd assume when someone tells me they keep sleeping later and later.
    11. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      Bull. You weren't even aware that that was possible before this. If you had, your original post would have allowed for it. You basically said that there was no way his clock is >24hrs, which is wrong. It is a possibility, and a strong one at that. Generally, I prefer to believe people when they tell me what medical conditions they have. I don't know them, after all.

    12. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      Er, so your point is what, that I'm an insensitive clod who assumed the most likely scenario and responded on that basis rather than erring on the side of extreme sensitivity and assuming not only that the poster has a rare disorder, but that he would be offended by my assuming, based on the lack of him saying anything at all to suggest that he had been diagnosed with such a disorder, that in fact he did not have any such disorder?

      It looks like the only person I offended is you. Get over it.

    13. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      I don't care about any possible offensiveness. You just make too many assumptions. When someone tells you they have the main symptom of a disorder or syndrome, you don't tell them that they don't have it! That's just plain stupid!

    14. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      Right. I didn't tell them they didn't have the disorder. I suggested some things to consider before assuming they had a disorder. Why are we still talking about this?

    15. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm not expressing myself well. Sorry about that. I belong to a Dharma group, and a lot of us are heavy meditators, and a lot of us have sleep schedule issues, and I'm also a geek, and am very familiar with geek sleep schedule issues, both from personal experience and that of friends.

      A lot of sleep problems are physiological. E.g., sleep apnea and narcolepsy. A lot are mental. There's a stigma attached to things that are mental - they're "all in the head," or "a psychological problem." In the geek community, I think we would rather ascribe any sleep problem we have to a physiological problem. In the Dharma world, we have thousands of years of experience in these problems to draw on, and we know that mental sleep problems are just as serious as physiological. And we know ways to deal with them.

      My advice was based on this combined experience. I hear people telling me all the time about sleep issues that they have that are obviously mental in origin, or sound like they're probably scheduling issues, but they frequently insist that they're physiological because that's okay, and mental issues aren't.

      But if you know that the problem is a bad mental habit, and you attack it knowledgably, you can beat it over time. And if it's mental and you try to address it on a physiological level, you won't get a lot of traction, although what you do may make a difference, and can be useful in the short term.

      The difference is that in the Dharma group, problems in the mind are just things to debug, with no stigma attached, because Dharma is all about debugging the mind.

      You are right that I did express myself unequivocally in a situation where my answer wasn't really unequivocal. This is a communication style that most geeks understand - you say what you think is the problem, and you expect the person listening to you to say "no, that's not it because of this" if they think you're wrong, or to try your hypothesis if they don't think you're wrong.

      This style works less well with non-geeks, who may think that you are claiming that what you say is inarguably true. Our discussion of this tubed because I was reading your reaction to what I'd said as if I'd literally said "I think your problem is X" when in fact I did say "your problem is X, definitely not Y."

      So your criticism was not inaccurate, although I think you're being far too literal. But it's worth considering that the style of communication that I used doesn't work well for all readers, and clearly didn't work for you, so I should probably avoid using this style in the future if possible.

    16. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by demmegod · · Score: 1

      We are still arguing about a simple communication issue because we are both stubborn and both have to have the last word. And just to clarify, my only objection to your original post is that I thought you meant the poster _definately_ didn't have a physiological issue, since you didn't use the word "probably." We seem to agree about pretty much everything else, however. I'm a little suprised neither of us have been been modded down for "off topic." This was really supposed to be about alarm clocks- although that does put us back at the beginning again, doesn't it?

    17. Re:You need to go to sleep earlier. by mellon · · Score: 1

      Nobody mods old news. :')

  72. The "Evil Roomate" method... by Abraxis · · Score: 2, Funny

    My roomate in college used to have horrible problems sleeping through things.

    On extra important occasions, he'd activate the "Super Soaker Protocol"--

    Ten minutes before the designated wake-up time, I'd start loading the super-soaker, and every minute on the minute I'd give him a warning. Then he'd get a count-down for the last 30 seconds... and if he wasn't on his feet by the time the countdown hit zero, he knew damn well that he'd get soaked.

    He never once failed to get up... but I never gave up hope that one time I'd get to soak his lazy ass..
    but alas...

    1. Re:The "Evil Roomate" method... by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      I knew a guy whose roomate did the same for him, except with a cassette deck on timer. The stereo was across the room on a shelf. He had to get out of his bunk, stumble across, and turn it off. He was pretty damned awake by then.

      Selection #1: Pink Floyd, "Time" (Obviously). If the sound of all those alarm clocks going off - with the amp turned up to 11 - doesn't wake you up, call the hospital: you are dead.

      Selection #2: AC/DC, "Hell's Bells". If you think you can make it through Big Ben striking, you'll never last through the guitar that follows.

      Hmmm - MP3, & a cron job?

      --
      "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
  73. Easy solution by acousticiris · · Score: 1

    1. Go to your favorite cheep-o-discount store and pick up a timer that will handle a good wattage and a cheap smoke detector. Don't worry about how sensative it is, just get the loudest one they sell. Also might not be a bad idea to grab a fire extinguisher.
    2. Purchase a basic set of stereo speakers (ensure that they are of a lower wattage than your stereo can put out).
    3. Plug your stereo into your timer, turn the volume all the way up and remove the volume knob. (Do this while the timer is OFF). Super glue the power switch in the permenently ON position. Tune to the most obnoxious music radio station you can find on the dial in your local area (for me it would be RAP, but I've heard Country works well too).
    4. Install the fire alarm directly above the stereo.
    4. Set the timer for about 30 minutes prior to the point at which you want to be awake.
    5. Go to sleep.
    The following morning, if the sound of speakers nearly breaking under the stress of awful music is too much to bear, the sound of the smoke detector going off works as a great secondary alarm. (my last set took about 30 minutes before the cheap speakrs began to smoke).

    All kidding aside, I had the same problem and found that I wake up more effectively to music than to the buzzer. My body would get used to the buzzer and I'd hear it in my dream, but not wake up.
    The solution is to buy a good quality, loud alarm clock that plays music or a CD.
    I have a Bose Wave Radio alarm clock and it can be cranked quite loud. As long as it's on RADIO and not the beeper, it never fails to wake me...my wife and my neighbors up on time. Oh, and it helps to put the alarm clock on the other side of the room so that you don't accidentally turn it off in your sleep.

    --
    "God is dead!" - Nietzsche
    "Nietzsche is dead!" - God
  74. The geeky homebrew solution by DavidYaw · · Score: 1

    When I was in college, I learned how to turn off my alarm clock in my sleep, so here was my solution:

    - medium sized metal box from RadioShack.
    - Large button I had laying around
    - The loudest piezo buzzer RadioShack sells (105 dB)
    - telephone wire
    - hooked up to the flow control lines on the serial port
    - program to control it all

    Features I included in the program
    - I set the alarm times once, a different time for each day of the week. The only time I have to adjust it is when I need to get up earlier than usual on the weekends.
    - when I hit the snooze button, it launches WinAmp to play MP3s until the buzzer goes off again.
    - the snooze time starts at 5 minutes per snooze, and steps down over 30 minutes. So 30 minutes after the alarm went off, the snooze button doesn't work anymore.
    - To turn off the alarm completely, one has to get up, walk into the next room, and type in a word that is displayed on the screen, chosen random from a dictionary.

    This does have one disadvantage, that the computer must either be in the bedroom or have speakers there. I've got it installed on my server machine, which only makes noise for the alarm, so I didn't mind running speakers into the next room (in other words, since it's on the server, I don't miss having sound locally).

    This seems to be pretty close to what you're looking for (having your PC be your alarm clock definately has geek appeal). If you want, send me an email and I'll whip up a schematic for the serial port thing and send you my software.

  75. Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to have a real problem with alarms. After about three weeks of having an alarm, I somehow get used to it and tune it out. After a month of having a particular alarm, it simply doesn't disturb me when I'm asleep. If I get a new alarm that sounds different, the cycle simply starts again.

    Switching to a radio that goes off at a certain time fixed that for me. Since a different song is on each time, I never get a chance to get used to it. Try a simple radio out before outlandish computer getups.

  76. Alarm clocks for people with bad vision by Skater · · Score: 1

    I have an alarm clock with numbers that are about 3 inches high, because I can't see very well without my contacts or glasses (even the distance from my bed to the alarm clock, less than a foot, is too much to read a normal clock).

    The makers of these clocks seem to think that because I'm blind, I'm also deaf. I have layers of black tape over the speaker in the back, and it's STILL quite loud. The first time I used it without black tape, my roommate and several neighbors were all trying to turn off their alarms.

    It scares the heck out of my cat, too. He sometimes takes off running when the alarm goes off.

    That's my suggestion. :)

    --RJ

    P.S. Or, get a cat, and get in the habit of feeding him/her when you get up. The cat will soon make the connection, and will then start waking you up. Mine, in particular, will jingle his collar, jump on the bed, put his nose in my face, chew wires, anything that gets a reaction out of me. This has been known to happen around 4:00 a.m. some days. (I've stopped feeding him in the morning in favor of more at night, but he hasn't gotten out of the habit yet.)

    1. Re:Alarm clocks for people with bad vision by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 1

      I recall a story about my grandfather once almost knifing the cat because he was dreaming about World War II and thought it was a Japanese soldier.

      --

      What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey

  77. put alarm clock out of hand's reach by Glog · · Score: 1

    I have a similar problem - when I go to bed late I tend to just smack the alarm clock in the morning and continue sleeping. I don't even remember a thing.

    A very quick and dirty solution for me has been to put the alarm clock across the room so that I have to physically get up to turn it off. That forces my body to waken up so that I won't go right back to bed. HTH

  78. You're up too late by JustAnOtherCodeSerf · · Score: 1

    > I go to bed at night when I get sleepy
    It may sound odd, but that's too late. Pick a time about 8 hours prior to when you want to get up in the am and go to bed. When you get up, don't hit the snooze, get up. Your body will adjust.

    Your "later and later" tendency is normal, but it's due to the fact that it's easier to stay up late without feeling tired. It's because you're not active. Try staying up as late while working on something (other than reading slashdot) ;) You'll "feel" tired sooner.

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    -=sig=-
  79. Remote alarm clock by Mr.Coffee · · Score: 1

    Just do what i did, go to walmart and buy the loudest alarm clock they have, then pull the buzzer out and solder on 20 feet of zip line so you can put the buzzer in your bedroom, and the snooze button in another, works great for me, i have to get up and go into the living room to turn of the alarm, and by that time, i'm up. (it helps that im in a dorm, so i have to get dressed to leave my bedroom)
    another one that i thought of was to put the alarm in a box that required a button to be held down for 30 sec before it would open.

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    Cogito Eggo Sum, I think therefore I'm a waffle
  80. Alarm clock story by dustman · · Score: 2, Funny

    A friend of mine is notorious for sleeping through alarm clocks.

    One day, as a gift, he received an alarm clock that was super loud. It looked like it was made in the 70's, it was huge and had that same "plastic that looks like wood" sort of decoration that my 83 Monte Carlo has... Nowadays, electronics are all smaller, more streamlined, more "japanese" feeling.

    Anyway, when I first heard it, I said it sounded like a foghorn, and that name, "The Foghorn", stuck, although it was a bit of a misnomer. On the spot, I couldn't remember the sound that it made, although I remembered relatively quickly. It didn't sound like a foghorn, but it sound exactly like a shop vac. It even ramped up just like one, and it moved a ton of air through this big blower.

    It sounded just like a shop vac, it didn't beep or turn the noise off and on, it was just one continuous "vrooom" that was certainly way too loud to talk over... (You know how shop vacs are louder than normal vacuum cleaners)

    Well, maybe because the sound was monotonous, my friend started sleeping through this noise anyway... He said that he would just incorporate the noise in his dreams. Literally, the thing would be like 3 feet from his head, and like I said, way too loud to talk over or anything, and he'd be sleeping through it. If you were outside of his house, even with all the doors and windows shut, you could hear it, but he'd be sleeping.

    This was in high school, and we eventually left for college. He had 2 roommates for awhile, and then one of his roommates swapped rooms with somebody else.

    So, the first night the new guy wsa sharing the room with him (the third roommate was somewhere else that night), my friend gets woken up in the morning. His new roommate is shaking him and saying "Chris wake up, there's a fire drill!" He says "No dude, that's just my alarm", and rolls over and hits the snooze button. His new roommate just stands there and says "Oh my fucking god"...

    That's it.

  81. A few things... by BinarySystems · · Score: 1

    Consider this: you may be trying to treat the symptom rather then the condition. Do you have trouble staying awake during waking hours? Do you snore loudly? If so you may have a sleep disorder. I did. I used to get extremely sleepy, and sometimes fell asleep, at odd hours of the day and usually woke up not very refreshed. My boss caught me asleep at my PC one day and suggested I see a doctor. I checked into a sleep center and found out I have obstructive sleep apnea. Now I sleep with a C-Pap machine every night (my little buddy) and my life has completely changed. I sleep undisturbed through the night and have no problems waking up now and I have no problem staying awake until its time to go to bed. Consider it, seriously. BTW, people with OSA are immensely more likely to suffer heart attacks and strokes. Another thing I've learned: the human REM cycle is 45 minutes long. If you wake up in the middle of one you'll be bleary eyed. If you wake up between them you'll be clear headed. It almost doesn't matter how many you've had (to a point) as long as you time it so that you wake up between them. Try adjusting your wakeup time so that it corresponds to a whole number increment of 45 minutes from when you fall asleep (not go to bed). If it takes you 10-15 minutes (or whatever) to fall asleep take that into account. Also, many people make the mistake of doing other things in bed besides sleeping, like reading and watching TV. DON'T. Make sleeping the only thing you spend time doing in bed so that when your head hits your pillow there are no contradictory associations keeping your eyes open and your mind awake.

  82. I was the same way. by 7-Vodka · · Score: 1
    I was the exact same way.
    Get off the drugs. No caffeine no nicotine NO stimulants, ever!
    No games after 9pm or a couple hours before bedtime at least. In fact, stay off the computer completely. The bright lights in your face will render you sleepless.
    Eat a banana 1/2 hr before going to bed.
    Have sex right before your bedtime, yes with someone else.
    Have that someone else help wake you up in the morning.

    Try that for a few weeks and tell me you don't sleep better than ever and wake up feeling teenager-fresh.

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    Liberty.

  83. Screaming Meanie by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Forget waking up gently. Get a Screaming Meanie. This is what truck drivers and endurance motorcyclists use to wake up. It's a timer, not a true clock, and it is way the hell loud. You can find one at any truck stop or buy one online for about twenty bucks.

    Don't bother snoozing. It's self-indulgent and offers less real benefit than going to bed twenty minutes earlier. If you have a very hard time waking up, you probably aren't sleeping as well as you should. Possibilities include excess sugar, caffeine or alcohol; sleep apnea; depression or anxiety; attention deficit disorder; or simple lack of exercise. Chances are that adjusting your caffeine intake and going for the occasional walk will make a substantial difference.

    The best thing about a Screaming Meanie is setting it for one hour and hiding it in somebody else's room. The second-best is that it is physically tough enough to throw violently across the room without suffering any damage.

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    This is not my sandwich.
    1. Re:Screaming Meanie by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      That's cool, I hadn't heard of these before. I did a Google search and found a link.
      $20 for the regular 110dB Screaming Meanie, and $30 for the 120dB bad boy. I like the idea of how you set how long you want to sleep, instead of when you want to get up.

  84. Do you work out ? by fredrickleo · · Score: 1

    regular exercise is good for the body and I promise it will help you sleep better as well as wake up easier. But its not always 100%... I got a super loud alarm clock from radio shack for about $ 25 that is really loud and if I know Im not going to get enough sleep when I go to bed I set another alarm (my cell phone, its pretty loud too) for about ten or fifteen minutes after the alarm, this helps against turning off the alarm in my sleep (Ive done this too many times ! even though its across the room !).

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    Yay me! ^^
  85. my solution: leave the room by microcars · · Score: 1
    back in college, I had the same problem and I found the only solution was to have to physically GET UP out of bed and GO TO ANOTHER ROOM to turn off the alarm.

    normal alarms did not work, it had to be something I found very annoying or embarrassing.

    So I took out my LP record of the STAR WARS theme, set it up on the turntable, put the needle down on the record to start at the "MAIN THEME" which is extremely grande and pompous (and embarrassing to hear very loudly at 7am...I was a fan, but not THAT big a fan...).

    I used the nice manual timer that came with my Betamax SL8200 to turn ON my stereo and turntable at 7am.

    a few nights of this and I would be UP and RUNNING into the living room when I heard the distinctive *click* of the Betamax timer go off.

    I got to the point where I could lift the needle off the turntable just before the receiver warmed up enough to play the first note.

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    I like microcars
  86. Best solution by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

    I had this problem since my college days. One day I showed up to my job late once too often. The boss gave me an ultimatum. Get a better alarm clock or find another job.

    The solution was simple, really. Get a normal alarm clock. But put it on the far side of the room. This makes you actually get up out of bed and walk over to turn it off. For best results, put it on the top shelf of a closet, and make sure it has a very annoying beep.

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    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
  87. Here's what I did by wayne606 · · Score: 1

    Appliance timer connected to a model train transformer (Lionel, etc, although various other power supplies would work too I guess) connected to a buzzer from a smoke alarm. That is ear-splittingly loud especially if you turn the transformer up to the highest voltage. I almost had a heart attack the first and only time I used it...

    Or set something up that will pour water on you if you don't go into the other room and turn it off. Conditioning will take care of the rest.

  88. Easy by Quirk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Kids

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    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
  89. Using your body as an alarm clock by Elroy+Jetson · · Score: 1

    Drink 0.5L or more of water (depending on your body size) just before you go to bed. If you figure out about the right amount for your body to take in, you won't actually wake up in the middle of the night, but you'll have a strong urge to piss when you get out of bed to wall across the room and hit that alarm clock. You'll then have two choices: either lay in bed trying to hold your bladder in check (which is only delaying the inevitable and ain't gonna get you back to sleep) or walk to the bathroom and take a piss (which will give you some time and activity to become fully awake). Either way, you're getting up.

    Bedwetters please ignore the above suggestion.

    1. Re:Using your body as an alarm clock by undef24 · · Score: 1

      This totally works. I do it all the time and always get up, really annoyed that I can't go back to sleep because I have to pee. By the time i'm up and finished I just take a shower and start the day.

  90. Millenium by fm6 · · Score: 1

    Somebody has to mention the home-brew alarm clock used by a heavy sleeper in John Varley's Millenium. Been a while since I read it, but there's something about an air-raid siren....

  91. People by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    My mother is my alarm clock when I want to get up late, and my father when I want to get up early.

    They both get progressively louder and have progressively shorter snooze times until I am awake enough to actually get out of bed, dressed, and off to school. In fact, they will possibly get as loud as an air compressor combined with a train whistle if I am sufficiently late for a sufficient number of days in a row.

    They both work when the power is out, and do not use a UPS socket.

    Slapping the snooze button can be done without being awake, and causes the clock to "snooze" for awhile. Slapping a parent causes them to get louder (at least). Telling them to go away sometimes works, if it is still sufficiently early.

    If I were to put an alarm system on my room, it would be sufficiently geeky. Especially if they didn't know about it, and it was piped to some earpiece or something. If I was quick, I could jump out of bed in time to make them think they walked in on me.

    One or the other of them will automatically go off at a certain preset time every morning -- but only if I am not up already. Unfortunately, this time is non-configurable and somewhat variable.

    Unfortunately, if your parents are already dead, you'd have to be pretty cold to just buy some replacements. However, a girlfriend may help. The only problem there is that you cannot have redundancy, or the two girlfriends will not quiet down even after you are fully awake, and will in fact continue to be loud until the contrast is lost and they no longer wake you up.

    If you want something more reliable, upgrade one girlfriend to a wife so you get yourself a baby. At first, it will be very unpredictable, waking you up at entirely random intervals.

    However, as it is upgraded to a toddler, it will typically take over the wife's job entirely, allowing some redundancy. Unfortunately, although it will wake you up early enough, it's also likely that it won't let you go back to sleep easily.

    In fact, to shut it off, you may need a screwdriver, but that would be illegal and too violent for slashdot. It may require you to be cognizant enough to feed it, which may require a cash transaction. Or it may require you to be cognizant enough to go to a bad neighborhood and get yourself some heavy narcotics in order to at least slow it down somewhat.

    Unfortunately, as the kid is "upgraded" to a teenager, you may find yourself relying on the one wife to wake the both of you up. Thus, the best solution is really the two girlfriends, if you can find two that are compatible. There's no standard model, after all.

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    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
  92. DON'T CLICK!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT'S GOATSEX!!!! AAAUGGGHG!!

  93. How about 110VAC? by marcus · · Score: 1

    If that won't get you out of bed, nothing will.

    I used to have one of those old fashioned flip chart style of digital clocks. One day it jammed. I took it apart and fixed it. I thought it looked cool with all of the working parts exposed so I left the case off.

    The alarm switch was on the back of the clock. Normally, when it went off, I'd roll over, slap my hand on the top of the clock, fold my fingers over the back and slide my hand across to switch the alarm off. The trick of the title was discovered by accident. The 110V enters the clock and terminates on two prongs at the top of the clock. Normally they are covered by the case.

    The first time I used the alarm after I had "repaired" it, I woke up in the corner of my room across from my bed, shaking, with a sore arm, two red dots in the center of my palm and the alarm still on.

    I replaced the cover as soon as my hand had recovered enough to use a screwdriver. ;-)

    I'm sure that something similar could be developed for your needs.

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    Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
    - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
    1. Re:How about 110VAC? by facelessnumber · · Score: 1

      I've thought about coming up with a safe way to do that, many times. When I saw the headline for this thread I just knew I'd see the answer to my question here, but so far this is the only post that mentions my idea, and it was accidental. There has got to be a safe way of jolting yourself awake with electricity. I have zapped myself accidentally many times, and I can't remember a single instance in which I wasn't totally, irreversibly awake and alert. It's more effective than a pile of black powder going off in your face. (It is - trust me.) There must be a way. I've searched exhaustively for an alarm clock setup involving electrodes. Obviously no one openly sells such a contraption, but surely I can't be the only person who's thought of this seriously enough to want to try it. 110VAC is obviously too much. You could burn yourself, mess up your heart's rhythm, nerve damage, etc., but maybe something like a small-ish capacitor? One of my more memorable low-voltage jolts came from an "electric fence" rig to keep dogs in one's yard... I wonder if something like that would fit the bill? Think it's safe enough to hit yourself with that every day, possibly several times? And where and how should the electrodes be attached? Obviously they'd need to be comfortable, secure, and not near the head or chest... Any ideas, anyone? I'm completely serious about this. I'm probably going to build this eventually, but I'm nor sure how much voltage/current to use. I'm trying to strike a balance between safety and effectiveness...

    2. Re:How about 110VAC? by marcus · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, the only "safe" place to place HV electrodes is on the legs. After that, you have to have a resistor in circuit to limit the current. It's not the voltage that kills you. It is the current. When you get zapped by static touching the doorknob, you get a couple of thousand volts DC. 110VAC feels completely different, yet I think that both would do the trick...

      Good luck!

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      Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
      - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
  94. Do NOT buy from Sony. by Urox · · Score: 1

    I had an extremely bad experience with them which makes me hesitant to buy any future products at all.

    I have a high end Dream Machine. Gradual wake, three different alarm settings (radio, CD, buzzer which can be all activated at different times.. I also started hearing the radio in my sleep when I had an alarm with only radio wake function), adjustable snooze button. It also has a nap button which I had been searching for ever since my original alarm died (which had fine minute tuning rather than ten minute increments).

    The thing died on me after three months but the waranty was for a year for parts and labor. Two of the authorized sony centers I was directed to did not have the capabilities to fix it. The third was locked in a "he said, she said" argument with the main company on fixing it.

    The main problem stemmed from that I had a Sony paper waranty showing the year coverage but the sony computers EVERYWHERE said it was only for 3 months. I had to send multiple faxes (because they would never make it to their destination) of it and my receipt to various companies. Eventually, with enough harassment on my part, I got out of the center that Sony was not willing to cover them because repair was over 50% of the original cost.

    It cost me a quarter of the cost to send it to Sony insured so that they would fix it at their main site. THEN they switched service locations: just packed up and moved from Irvine to somewhere in SoCal. It took me a total of three months harassment to find out that I had to send it to them directly to get it fixed, and then three more months for them to send it elsewhere, take a look, and say that they were going to send a replacement.

    I will not buy from them again if I can help it.

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    "Would you rather have a playstation addicted dork wearing a star wars t-shirt?"
  95. I use my Nokia cell phone... by WoTG · · Score: 1

    When the keyboard is locked, it's quite hard to accidently turn off the alarm rather than "snooze" (you have to unlock it, which is a two-button task). It's got a battery backup. And it's relatively sturdy, it'll take more of a beating than most alarm clocks. It's also inherently portable. Lastly, it's effectively free. I think the volume increases over time as well, but I'm not entirely certain.

  96. bash, stopafter, aumix, mpg123, sleep, seq by hankaholic · · Score: 1
    The UNIX command line allows for much flexibility; try something like:
    sleep 8h
    aumix -v 50
    mpg123 --list playlist.lst &

    for i in `seq 50 10 100`
    do
    aumix -v $i
    sleep 30s
    done
    You could even use cron to have such things happen at set times each day. Using bash and sleep for calculated delays and aumix to set the volume, you could even ramp up the volume, drop it back down for a "snooze" period, and then bring the volume back up (higher and higher...) until you wake up.
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    Somebody get that guy an ambulance!
  97. From someone who knows... by gr8fulnded · · Score: 1

    Think about getting this thing.

    I've got one and I love it. Volume goes up to 98db, it vibrates your bed (think "magic fingers" at hotels), and flashes your lights (or leaves them steady on). You can do combinations of all of them too. Trust me, 98db will wake you up.

    How I do know? I lost my hearing 3 years ago and bought one for myself!

  98. Non-noise wakeups by Tracy2112 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't look like anyone else has mentioned this, but I've found the best "alarm" clock to be a timer and an electric matress pad (~$60) set to High. It is the most gentle awakening I've ever found, allowing your body to decide to wake up when it's in the right part of the REM cycle. An electric blanket works OK, but it's too easy to throw off when things get too warm.

    1. Re:Non-noise wakeups by Zode · · Score: 1

      I've set my automatic thermostat raise the room temperature in the morning and drop it at night, and that seems to help. I usually wake up before the alarm goes off.

  99. reading comprehension by avi33 · · Score: 1

    Note that I didn't make any such generalizations; the poster didn't mention having trouble sleeping.

    All he mentioned is that he has a hard time getting up, and my point was that he was looking for a hardware solution (an alarm clock) to a problem that may just be a symptom of something larger. The pot comment was half joking, but not the part mentioning diet, exercise, medical conditions, or simply getting control of his ability to open his eyes in the morning.

    Having trouble sleeping is another matter entirely.

    So I was ranting about the quality of 'ask slashdots' but really, some of them are ridiculous these days.

  100. The Solution by nathanh · · Score: 1
    • Gets progressively louder until snoozed. Starts louder with each successive snooze.
    • Max volume slightly painful, but not physiologically dangerous. An air compressor and train whistle is probably overkill.
    • Easy to snooze, but hard to accidentally turn off completely. Bonus points if turning it off means being cognizant enough to operate a screwdriver or tool of some kind.
    • Snooze time gets geometrically shorter each iteration (e.g., half as long as the previous) so that there's a maximum total snooze time that can be approached assymptotically.
    • Has battery backup so that it will operate during a power outage, at least to keep time. (I _could_ just stick it on the UPS, but do I really want to spend a UPS outlet for an alarm clock?) This is a feature my current clock has (takes a nine-volt battery), but even better would be a rechargeable that will even operate the alarm during a power outage.
    • Can be set to always go off at the same time every day, so I don't have to remember to set it at night unless I need to get up at a different time than usual.
    • Has some kind of cool feature with geek appeal -- but not binary time display; I need to be able to read the time when mostly asleep.

    Children meet all the above requirements.

    1. Re:The Solution by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      I *so* wish I had some mod points right now. Excellent. ;)

  101. I do mine. by Inoshiro · · Score: 1

    My cats have learned well, too. If I am asleep, they will cuddle with me. If the alarm goes off, they get closer to my face. They'll snuggle me when I'm barely awake because I'm more likely to pet them.

    The moment I open my eyes more than a slit, though, they're off the bed, at the door, and meowing for breakfast. ;)

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  102. Truck Drivers Use This and it's LOUD!!! by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 1

    The Screaming Meanie 110 with a kick. 120 decible alarm. 3 settings; lo, med, high. Timer and alarm clock features. Homing signal can be heard up to one mile in an emergency.

    http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pacificcornetta-stor e/ tz-220.html

    You could probably find them for sale in Truck Stops. They are loud as hell and sure to wake anyone but a deaf person up!

    Truckers frequently take naps for an hour or so and need something to wake them up as their body wants to sleep a lot longer. They also need to be on time.

  103. No cost perfect solution VIGMEUP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use your existing computer and speakers.

    Install, set your time, song and volume.

    If it doesn't work, go buy a larger set of
    pc speakers.

    http://www.downseek.com/download/3534.asp

    Use http://www.llornkcor.com/software/vigmeup.zip
    for windows.

  104. How much sleep do you get? by spineboy · · Score: 1
    Find out how much you need on a regular basis to function - you should be able to just wake up before the alarm clock goes off. Are you screwing around on the 'puter late at night?- turn it off- for a week!

    2 Why do you oversleep? Are you not getting into trouble enough at work if you show up late?

    3 Avoid snooze buttons - they get you used to ignoring the alarm, and eventually sleeping through it. When the alarm goes off, that's it - you must wake up then - no snoozing - it's wasted sleep time anyway.

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  105. The Bose Wave or Wave CD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Has 2 alarms. I set the first on CD about 15 minutes before the buzzer from Hades goes off. Both alarms start low and get louder and louder and louder . . .

    Has snooze but better to place walking distance from the bed, and don't keep the remote handy

    Battery Backup Check

    Defaults to reset same time next day.

    I don't awake in a dark room, under the total darkness black out curtains my wife favors, I'll sleep 12 hours at shot. With the filmies and light, 6 hours a night does it. There are timers and such to provide light as well.

    Cost, well try for refurbished maybe?

  106. FY I by annisette · · Score: 1

    Melatonin is a natural antihistamine, a personal choice to use it or not, I chose not to. I had a prostate infection at the time and inccured an increase in related problems. Like you say melatonin is not good for long term use. If taking a antidepressent such as a reuptake inhibitor some herbal supplements will have a bad reaction. It slips my mind at the moment but there is a herbal supplement that has a natural source of seratonin, it will cause a very bad reaction with reuptakeinhibitors (paxil, celexia), it might be Ginko. As far as a homeopathic suggestion, turn your bed so your head is pointing north, it harmonicaly alligns your own magnetic pattern with the pattern of the earth, believe me it does help.

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    I eat my grapes at room temperature, cuz the cold ones hurt my teeth
  107. cron job by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

    Most of those traits you requested can be accomplished with a cron job.

    45 8 * * * aumix -v75;mpg123 song-with-variable-volume.mp3(like Dvorak's New World Symphony);sleep 600;aumix -v80;mpg123 song.mp3;sleep 400; etc.

    and snooze is having to get up, turn on monitor, and running 'killall mpg123'

    With the additional benefit of letting you set a later time for weekends.

  108. I built my own by polymath69 · · Score: 1
    I wanted a civilized wakeup protocol, and cobbled together the hardware and software to make it so. These were my design goals:

    • On startup, start CD playing.
    • Wait X minutes (4?) before entering alarm mode.
    • Turn on light.
    • Begin playing alarm.
    • Monitor keyboard, snooze button, and soundfile progress.
    • On kbd Esc, terminate alarm and exit program. On snooze, terminate soundfile and sleep X minutes (9?), then begin playing soundfile again. Decrease interval with each sucessive snooze. On soundfile expiration, start playing it again.

    The key thing was that the snooze button (a doorbell switch) and the light were right by the bed, but the keyboard escape key was in another room. Four wires run off of a serial port sufficed.

    Another nice feature was that I programmed it to not go off on weekends and holidays. It's very nice to have an alarm clock that doesn't wake you when you don't actually need to get up.

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    I don't want to rule the world... I just want to be in charge of mayonnaise.
  109. Missing itemST.John's Wort by annisette · · Score: 1

    is the herbal supplement to avoid when taking reuptakeinhibitors

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    I eat my grapes at room temperature, cuz the cold ones hurt my teeth
  110. 24-hour clock display needed! by Krellan · · Score: 1

    What would be great is a 24-hour clock display!

    These are common only in the UK, it seems. I can't find one for sale in the US at all, except for specialty clocks like the ones that have little weather stations in them, or tiny travel clocks.

    I'd love to find a normal alarm clock, in the normal alarm clock form factor, with a 24-hour display. I can't count the number of times I have accidentally set the time to AM when I meant PM, or vice versa....

    I've taken to using my cellphone as an alarm clock, since it has this feature of 24-hour clock display. Works great for me.

  111. Open your curtains by permaculture · · Score: 1

    The sunlight will wake you at dawn. Also, the gradual increace in light level wakes you gently.

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    Environmentalism is the new Victorianism. Everyone ties on a green corset and pretends we're virtuous.
  112. The alarm clock from hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife had this alarm clock that scared me awake every time it's amazing loud and annoying buzzer went off. I would jump up feeling like I was having a heart attack. I eventually bought her a nice clock radio and rejoiced when we sent the "Terrorizer" to St Vinnie's.

    Later we discovered my son can sleep through an earthquake. I wish I could find that alarm clock!

  113. Vibrating pillow, flashing lights.. by heath_ams · · Score: 1
    How about this one?
    Features:
    • With its loud buzzer, flashing lamp and strong bed shaker, the Wake Assure will wake up even the deepest sleeper
    • The super bright 2" display makes it easy to read the time - day or night
    • Up to 95dB loud buzzer with adjustable volume and tone control to suit your hearing
    • Strong bed shaker wakens even the deepest sleeper without disturbing others. The cord from the bed shaker to the clock is 77" long.
    • It also makes a connected lamp flash to awaken you.
    • While you are away, it can be set to turn on the connected lamp at pre-set times for added security.
    • Has an Auto Snooze feature to suit your lifestyle.
    • Large control buttons conveniently located for easy access.
    • Battery to keep time in case of power outage (battery not included)
  114. Water...lots and lots of water... by Spoing · · Score: 1

    Drink water before you go to bed. After a while, you will wake up alarm or no alarm!

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    A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
  115. natural clock / dawn simulator by millette · · Score: 1

    Try those subject words with any search engine. This is probably what you're looking for.

  116. A baby by holy+zarquon's+singi · · Score: 1

    I have found that a baby is a fairly effective alarm clock.

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    "...we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." B.Spears 2003
  117. I'll Do It... by fuzzybunny · · Score: 1

    For a low low price of, say, 50 bucks a week, and your address, I'll gladly do it.

    That is, as long as it's not before 10 a.m.

    --
    Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage
  118. Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS) by redfood · · Score: 1
    Sounds like you have Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS). Light therapy is supposed to work well.

    Check out a Stanford Professor's links on the subject

    1. Re:Delayed Sleep Phase Syndrome (DSPS) by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Much like dieting, light therapy requires a certain discipline that many people don't have. Okay, by many people, I obviously really mean myself. I've never successfully figured out how to deal with the period of time where you're supposed to be in the dark yet not lying in bed trying to sleep. (Getting used to being awake in bed is detrimental to dealing with DSPS. Never lie in bed for more than 15-30 minutes without falling asleep.)

      On the other hand, if you can hack it, go for it.

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  119. Palm Pilot m505 - Default Clock by harryk · · Score: 1

    No Shit!

    My Palm Pilot m505 has a built in, single day (others exist) alarm clock. The tones are can be changed, and the one I use (on a near daily basis) is the Reville (think military wake up call). This works great, and I'm a real heavy sleeper.

    Granted its a bit on the extreme, but works great! You can get a cheap one now on ebay. Alternatively, get the same tone and then use your Linux/Windows box with scheduling and mpeg123.

    Either way its a hell-of-a wake up!

    harryk

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  120. Now and Zen alarm clock by georgenfrank · · Score: 1

    Digital Zen Alarm Clock

    The each ring of the chime lasts one minute. The chime rings over a ten minute interval, slowly increasing the rate of ringing.

    The first ring occurs at the alarms set time.
    The next ring occurs almost 4 minutes later
    The next ring almost 2.5 minutes later
    The next ring almost 1.5 minutes later
    Then 1, then 30 seconds, then 20, then 15, then 8, and finally it rings continuously every 5 seconds.

  121. Sonic Boom by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    These guys have several models that include vibrator (not that kind...) attachments and lamp outlets to which you could plug in either a lamp or said air compressor and train whistle.

    http://www.sonicalert.com/

  122. How about 120dB? by Muffhead · · Score: 1

    The Screaming Meanie
    Ok, not subtle & the neighbours will hate you, but if you can sleep through *that* nothing will wake you up.

  123. High Blood Pressure by haplo21112 · · Score: 1

    I have a modified version of this...I have high blood pressure and they put me on a water pill...now I CAN'T go more than about 6 - 7 Hours without taking a piss! I'm pretty much always up on time, because my body starts screaming I need to take a piss about an hour before the alarm goes off...I fight the need till the alarm does go off, but when it does its pretty much go time...I will not go into how this has screwed up my sleep cycle...I have always been one of those that needs to be sleep almost as long as I have been awake...and made up the difference on the weekend, however thats not possible anymore.

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  124. 25 hours by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    yes, and there is no evidence that the planet is slowing down??
    http://science.slashdot.org/science/04/01/01/202 208.shtml?tid=134

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  125. Metal-Halide lamps by paanta · · Score: 1

    What I've done is get a 150 watt metal-halide outdoor lamp (like you'd use in a barn) and wire it up to a digital timer rated for 200 watts. The lamp takes about 5-10 minutes to reach full brighness, so it has a nice 'sunrise' effect. I've got a backup alarm that comes on about 20 minutes after the light switches on, but after a week or two I didn't need it. Total cost was about $40.

  126. For times when I really needed to get up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to set my computer up to play something really loud whenever it was important that I get up early. I had some software that would require me to type in some phrase like "I am awake" to turn of the noise. It was pretty effective.

    I always thought it would be pretty sweet to have something set up that would gradually open the curtains and turn on the lights at some specified time. Has anyone on slashdot ever rigged something like this up from their computer? I guess you'd need some servos and some kind of interface card, but every time I've looked around on the net for that sort of stuff it's been kind of pricey.

  127. I send a series of SMSs to my cell phone... by carlos92 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...from my computer, and set the phone to emit a loud series of beeps when I receive an SMS. It is impossible to turn off from the phone (unless you turn off the phone itself, but the keyboard should be locked anyway).

  128. Early alarm, or dual? by phorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've found that sometimes setting my alarm up a few hours early helps. I get through the stumble phase, get some clothes rather, things set by the door, flop back to bed under a light pillow until alarm #2. For some reason this seems to satisfy my desire to "go back to bed" so that I feel better on the second waking. Also nice if you aren't sleeping well as you can adjust you comfort levels for the addition 2-3h sleep.

  129. motivation by redhat_redneck · · Score: 0, Redundant

    consider the reason for you're late hours. I don't think the clock is the issue. As a child, did you have problems getting up for school but on Saturday get up with sun to watch cartoons? consider your priorities and adjust them accordingly

  130. That's how they work now, don't reinforce it by ianscot · · Score: 1
    When the alarm goes off, you'd have to demonstrate that you are awake by repeating a random pattern of button presses on the clock.

    Your described game is actually my experience every morning. For some reason basically all the alarm clocks I can find come with impossible-to-operate-when-groggy switches, plastic tabs, hard-to-press tiny buttons, and so on, making every morning an adventure. I seriously shopped for something cool and new in these for about three weeks before I completely gave up. There's a nightmare of idiotic user interfaces out there, all meant to be used when sleepy.

    Before we knock ourselves out getting someone to develop elaborate games to make waking up even more ridiculous, could we maybe get one alarm clock maker to market a decent, acceptable, basic clock?

    • Buttons big enough to use, comfortably, with my human fingers?
    • No, we don't need the time projected onto the wall or ceiling -- just make it readable without my prescription lenses, that's enough.
    • I should be able to turn the alarm off without "missing" that spot on the miniscule sliding switch and overshooting it to some other lame setting. While I am still sleepy. Without squinting too much to find the tiny labels you used.
    • When I'm setting the alarm time, do you think maybe I could clearly tell that I'm not screwing up the time instead? Please don't make them two totally identical-looking buttons differentiated by tiny label text printed on some smooth, rounded surface of the case.
    • And speaking of identical-looking things, why is "PM" the same exact little dot as "Alarm on," only in a different position? Do these seem like analogous messages to anyone??
    • The battery backup thing is halfway there, but if it's still plugged in this is the one clock that really needs that "set by atomic clock signal" feature. When it bounces, my alarm clock needs to recover and be right.

    Then we can get them to add the neat stuff they've failed to think of:

    • "Don't let me snooze past this point (specific time, number of repetitions) setting, please.
    • Variable-length snooze would be good, if it could be simply controlled.
    • It'd also be cool, when I've hit snooze, to be able to see a sort of countdown of how long until it goes off again. Ever find yourself half-awake, wondering how long?
    • Various nature noise features that nobody asked for, but that are kind of fun to hear before you realize how crappy the tinny speaker really is.
    • Simon games, and so on.

    But criminy, could they at least make the basic thing work, first?

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    1. Re:That's how they work now, don't reinforce it by alex_ant · · Score: 0

      For some reason basically all the alarm clocks I can find come with impossible-to-operate-when-groggy switches, plastic tabs, hard-to-press tiny buttons, and so on, making every morning an adventure. I seriously shopped for something cool and new in these for about three weeks before I completely gave up. There's a nightmare of idiotic user interfaces out there, all meant to be used when sleepy.
      This is good news though, it means that if open-source software developers ever have to change jobs (or indeed, get jobs in the first place), they will be able to move into the field of alarm clock design with hardly any effort.

  131. Wake up to danger. by kulakovich · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think anyone should do this. I am only explaining what I once did in undergrad:

    1) subscribe to a 976 style wake-up phone call service

    2) buy an adapter that turns your phone ringing into an AC pulse - they are for the hard of hearing, so that a lamp can flicker on and off to indicate the phone is ringing. Got mine for $11 back in '92. It is a wall adapter that has a phone jack an AC plug, and an AC outlet on it.

    3) hook a powerstrip to it

    4) set the powerstrip to OFF.

    5) plug a stereo with your least favorite LP on the turntable and the needle down. turn it way up. Also works with a cassette player, so long as you FF to the middle of a song, and press PLAY.

    6) plug a drill into it, pull the trigger, and lock the trigger.

    7) put a paint-stir bit on the drill

    8) put the drill down in the bed with you.

    When the phone call comes, you had better wake up. It is very unplesant. I only did it once, and it worked perfectly. This music blared, the lights went on and off, and this thing, which got bigger and bigger as it gathered more sheets, was jumping around in the bed, and it is starting to restrict your motion.

    My plan now is to pattent this device that gives you immediate access to your fight or flight subroutine.

    kulakovich

  132. The right kind of music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of my friends used to wake up by blasting Anti-Flag (I think) in his ears. "GONNA DIE GONNA DIE GONNA DIE FOR YOUR GOVERNMENT" really got him up and moving...

  133. MOD GREAT GRANDPARENT UP MOTHERFUCKERS by alex_ant · · Score: 0

    bristle at that, cocksucking mods.

  134. Ultimate Alarm Clock by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Funny

    There was a news story a year or so ago about a german girl who invented an alarm bed lift. Basically, it lifts two legs of the bed a bit at a time until it dumps out the occupant. Her dad was an oversleeper, IIRC.

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  135. My wife's clock by awtbfb · · Score: 1

    ... is a Sonic Alert - aptly named the "Sonic Boom" which is paired with a night table light and a 12V bed shaker. When the alarm goes off, the light and vibrator alternate in a square wave with an obnoxious pulse of noise. She's had others in the past, but they've all been similar. The first time I was woken up by one of these, I almost fell out of bed. My subtle radio alarm is now set to go off well before hers...

    Of course, she tells everyone there's a vibrator in her bed.

  136. Nothing would... by meme_police · · Score: 1

    ...wake my dorm neighbor. His alarm was so fucking loud it would wake up everyone in the dorm except for him. We thought he was dead. Every morning! All at the same time we would pound on his windows and doors, call his phones, yell, and blare an air horn. Two hours later he would still be asleep.

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  137. No snooze! by gkangas · · Score: 1

    Snooze is evil. Pick a time you want to wake up, and force yourself to get up then. If you have the option to snooze, most people will use it. On top of this get the X10 Alarm Clock Timer and a couple x10 recievers and go to town. Anything you can plug into an outlet you can make go off with it. Lights, sirens, electrodes.. whatever.

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  138. get enough sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "i go to bed at night when i feel sleepy" does NOT mean you are getting enough sleep. If you can't get up in the morning when your alarm goes off, then you are NOT GETTING ENOUGH SLEEP. Plain and simple. If you are actually getting enough sleep, then you should be waking up naturally, *without* any need for an alarm clock.

    It can also help if you leave your blinds open. Sunlight seems to wake me up as long as I have close to enough sleep.