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Re:And for good reason
Here's some background for you: State Rep. Sally Kern files three bills targeting gays"
rejecting AP History for speeches like "the sermon known as"Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God""
OK Reps using their authority in attempting to ban "anti-Biblical plays"
The 10 Commandments monument was directly against the OK Constitution, so now their attempting to change it. Highly ironic seeing the divorce rate of many of their members.
Counter this with our courts saying Forced sodomy isn't illegal if she's unconscious.
Don't want to get raped by a OK cop? Well, Oklahoma Highway Patrol Captain George Brown main suggestion is First and foremost: Do your part, and do what it takes to obey the traffic laws and not get stopped
Don't forget the attempt to mandate Creationism being taught in public schools,
This is just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure someone who really wants to could find far more examples, these are just the more recent ones. These attempted laws are quite diversion, and are going down the path of ISIS. -
Re:Really?
the whole thing may either turn around or at least shift toward day-time electricity being cheaper simply because of basic economy principles, not because of some malicious intent.
We should stop pretending that there is anything like a "Law of Supply and Demand" when it comes to energy.
And if you want proof of "malicious intent"...
http://thinkprogress.org/clima...
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news...
http://www.deseretnews.com/art...
The Koch Brothers (and others) are pushing these "solar tariff", sun tax and surcharge laws all across the country. The rationale in their advertisements has varied from place to place, but generally it's "Solar energy is costing us money so people who use solar energy should pay double, one way or the other, because screw you, that's why". And yes, it even applies to solar which is not on the grid. So if you want to set up some solar panels to augment your daytime energy use and maybe a battery for night time, be prepared to pay this new tariff because of the Koch Brothers and their representatives at Americans For Prosperity
They're determined to send a message: "If you think you can leave us and go back to your mother, think again sweetie, or maybe you'll run into another door."
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Re:Land of insanityThat's almost as good as the Catholic Archbishop who sued a group of Satanists to get back some sacred Wafers the Satanists wanted to use at a Black Mass:
satanist turns communion wafer-
Mind you: The wafers were not stolen, but bought via Internet from Turkey. XD
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Re:Mod Parent Article Down.
Actually Jesus was about 5 feet tall
Except when he's 900 feet tall.
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Re:potential for warmongering?
Don't you think it would be easier to get it in your backyard, considering that the US has tons of it?
Tons of what? Petroleum? The US does not have that much proven reserves of petroleum. Supposedly what the US does have a lot of is Natural Gas. There are other sources that can come from our own backyard. What the US has much more of is sunlight and wind. According to the study by Southern Methodist University SMU Geothermal Lab project: Vast clean energy source confirmed by Google.org-funded geothermal mapping geothermal sources are capable of producing "more than three million megawatts of green power – 10 times the installed capacity of coal power plants today." Relatively clean energy sources, as there are none that are compleatly clean and non-polluting, can prove all of the US's energy needs. The biggest problem, well one of them, is with the infrastructure. U.S. solar power potential untapped as infrastructure is lacking. Yearly cost of U.S. outages: At least $119 billion. If the US is losing this much a year then it would pay to build a new smart grid. Then alternative sources would be able to contribute easier.
Falcon
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Re:ignore instead of feedOne of the article's commenters spoke about the govt. can't limit free speech but individuals can. In 2010, at a Topeka demonstration by the WBC, church members found their tires slashed, and no one in town would sell church members replacement tires. Sounds like a fair deal to me.:
" McALESTER -Members of a Kansas church that protests at military funerals may have found themselves in the wrong town Saturday. Shortly after finishing their protest at the funeral of Army Sgt. Jason James McCluskey of McAlester, a half-dozen protesters from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., headed to their minivan, only to discover that its front and rear passenger-side tires had been slashed. To make matters worse, as their minivan slowly hobbled away on two flat tires, with a McAlester police car following behind, the protesters were unable to find anyone in town who would repair their vehicle, according to police. http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20101114_11_a12_cutlin105145
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Re:Apple envy
"Microsoft shamelessly copies Apple Storeconcept", why would they stop there?
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Re:Blame American Jurors
A gas can maker was recently forced out of business when a jury found the maker 70% liable in the death of a 4-year-old that perished in a camper when her father poured gasoline into a wood burning stove.
Someone can pour gasoline from a can onto a fire and a jury will still blame the maker of the can.
Do you really think the maker of this device is going to take a chance of losing everything through potential misuse of this wireless capability?
Anyone in business needs to understand that they're seen at best by jurors as a necessary evil and as a source of money to help someone they sympathize with. Additional unnecessary features are just additional opportunities for big judgments against you and your firm.
Anyone in business (or not for that matter) these days needs to learn where the real problem lies. Attorneys and frivolous lawsuits.
Between bullshit patent wars and litigation, I don't predict it will be much longer before there will be no further drive to innovate. Not because the world isn't full of innovators, but because everyone is too goddamn afraid of getting sued into oblivion for breathing on a customer wrong.
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Blame American Jurors
A gas can maker was recently forced out of business when a jury found the maker 70% liable in the death of a 4-year-old that perished in a camper when her father poured gasoline into a wood burning stove.
Someone can pour gasoline from a can onto a fire and a jury will still blame the maker of the can.
Do you really think the maker of this device is going to take a chance of losing everything through potential misuse of this wireless capability?
Anyone in business needs to understand that they're seen at best by jurors as a necessary evil and as a source of money to help someone they sympathize with. Additional unnecessary features are just additional opportunities for big judgments against you and your firm.
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Re:Pepper-spraying sitting protesters
OK. Now let's see your links for all the people (I'll avoid using government titles) who sprayed occupy protesters for "resisting" by linking arms or going limp or somesuch who have been convicted of assault or of violating anybody's rights. Let's see it.
If the courts never enforce it any more, it is now effectively legal.
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Re:Creativity
Here is a nice story that involves the two places where I have spent most of my life. I've lived in the reddest state and the bluest city.. I'm back in OK now, but I think Portland had the right idea with 99% of its drug policy.
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Re:Fracking is here to stay.
Seems promise of fracking is failing in Poland.
Exxon, the largest U.S. gas producer after its 2010 acquisition of shale driller XTO Energy, failed in its first two efforts to crack gas-rich shale fields in Poland. Gas discovered in a pair of wells finished during the final three months of last year didn't flow, even after the company used high-pressure jets of water and sand to create fissures in the rocks.
"Some of the shales don't respond as well to hydraulic fracturing," Tillerson said. "It's going to take research and time in the lab to understand that."
Some parts of U.S. shale formations also have proven impervious to hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, he said
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20120327_49_E4_CUTLIN375730
This technology is going to mean liberation and stability for nations.
Bullshit. It just means pass the buck down the road 10 years or maybe 1 generation. The ecological damage just multiplies. Stability for nations means energy independence for long term. It means things like renewables and nuclear, not things that deplete within a few years.
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Re:Want!
Citation needed.
Del City Couple Arrested in Fire Deaths.
Update: It appears that their bail was reduced to $35,000 each and they were able to make bail now, so they are back out. -
Re:Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot
$280,000 on cable bill for about 20 prisons.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081204_12_0_OKLAHO673257They should just deny the cable company license to do business in the greater community if they don't just provide this for free. Problem Solved, people win. Let the cable company do their civic duty if they want to be deemed a citizen.
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Re:Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot
And yes, I know this did not happen in America. It happened in Israel. But it happens in America all the time too.
Sheriff removes cable TV from the prisons and the court system orders him to put it back.
$280,000 on cable bill for about 20 prisons.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20081204_12_0_OKLAHO673257U.K how much on toys for prisoners? Why not spend that money on children instead?
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Re:Idiot
Here's an interesting article for ya.
"Can the U.S. return to its long-gone throne as the world's top producer of crude oil? A Goldman Sachs report, quoted in the Sunday Times of London recently, contended that shale plays and new technologies could push total production to 10.9 million barrels per day by 2017. "
Yep...and it's such a great opportunity that not a single private company has any interest WHATSOEVER in developing it.
Same goes with the "oodles and oodles" of oil supposedly sitting just off the coast -- not one single member of Exxon-Mobile, Conoco-Phillips, etc. has made any demand or claim on any of the land POLITICIANS claim is so full of oil.
These pipe-dreams are created by Politicians, cooked by the media, and eaten up by individuals like you so absolutely terrified that you may have to change how you do things that you're willing to grasp at any straw within reach.
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Re:Idiot
Here's an interesting article for ya. "Can the U.S. return to its long-gone throne as the world's top producer of crude oil? A Goldman Sachs report, quoted in the Sunday Times of London recently, contended that shale plays and new technologies could push total production to 10.9 million barrels per day by 2017. " http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20111008_49_E1_CUTLIN650117&allcom=1
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Re:Extracting oil
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20110614_12_A1_CUTLIN258728
Osage Nation speaks out against proposed wind farms
By LOUISE RED CORN World Correspondent
Published: 6/14/2011 2:29 AM
Last Modified: 6/14/2011 8:03 AMThe Osage Nation, largely left out of discussions regarding commercial wind farms planned west of Pawhuska, is taking a stand against them.
On Monday, Principal Chief John D. Red Eagle said the tribe - although not opposed to alternative energy development in general - has found significant reasons to oppose wind farms on the tallgrass prairie of Osage County.
The tribe owns all mineral rights in Osage County and fears that large wind farms will interfere with extracting oil and gas, from which royalties are paid in support of tribal members.
Ecological, archeological and cultural concerns also are at issue.
"The areas being initially considered by the first two wind development companies cover approximately 30,000 acres and are located in a prime area for future oil and gas recovery," Red Eagle's statement says.
Galen Crum, chairman of the tribal Minerals Council, whose job it is to protect the mineral estate, said that the council has met with two wind companies planning on erecting about 200 turbines on the prairie.
"They are talking about using an awful lot of ground," Crum said. "They weren't thinking about the mineral estate - just about compensating landowners.
Crum said wind leases last a half-century.
"How are we supposed to know the price of oil in 50 years?"
Wind Capital Group of St. Louis and TradeWind Energy of Lenexa, Kan., plan two 15-megawatt developments. A third wind company, Invenergy, is studying wind potential around Grainola, a tiny community in extreme northwest Osage County.
The companies have not found buyers for the power they would harvest from the wind, a key factor in whether the projects go forward.
Crum said the area is home to many active and plugged wells, some ripe for reopening as the price of oil rises and new technology makes extraction more efficient.
Red Eagle echoed preservationists who have opposed the wind farms, saying that the developments would have an adverse impact on the tallgrass prairie, "a true national treasure" whose last small fragments remain only in Osage County and in Kansas.
In Kansas, Gov. Sam Brownback last month declared a moratorium on future wind development in the Flint Hills area of the prairie, an area now designated the Tallgrass Heartland.
The Osage County wind farms would not be built in the Nature Conservancy's Tallgrass Prairie Preserve but would be visible from it. Preserve Director Bob Hamilton has urged the county and the state to steer wind development to areas of the county that are not ecologically sensitive. The prairie, on and off the Nature Conservancy's preserve, is home to numerous birds of prey and the greater prairie chicken, the latter being increasingly rare birds that avoid nesting around tall structures.
"Not all areas in the Osage are sensitive," Hamilton said. "What makes the tallgrass prairie so special is its big landscape. It's not just local - it has global significance."
Hamilton said the Conservancy wants to extend federal conservation easements, now offered to ranchers in Kansas' Flint Hills, into Oklahoma. The easements would grant ranchers a one-time payment equivalent to one-third to 40 percent of the value of their land to prevent development.
"The easements lock in the status quo," Hamilton said.
Red Eagle said wind farms create a "very limited" number of jobs - eight to 10 permanent jobs per farm and 150-200 construction jobs for nine months, most for specialized workers who have to be brought in, according to the wind companies.
"Our governor is encouraging wind development in Oklahoma, particularly in the western part o
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Re:And no cable TV
AFAIK, no mainstream prison system in the country offers prisoners cable TV
From here:
Oklahoma's 17 prisons and five community corrections centers all get cable television. The yearly cost: $280,000.There is at least one company that specializes in correctional cable programming.
From this MSNBS article about the digital switchover:
The Federal Bureau of Prisons receives cable TV service, so officials don't anticipate any interruptions, spokeswoman Felicia Ponce said. Federal inmates are allowed limited viewing in common rooms with some restrictions â" for instance, they can't watch R-rated movies.It took a whole 10 seconds to find two mainstream prison systems that have some form of cable TV, and a company that is dedicated to offering mainstream prisons cable tv service.
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You just proved my point.God you're naive. Did you not read the Seattle case posted on Slashdot just a few days ago? I have to question what subset of news you've been reading, because you clearly have a distorted view of reality.
I'm not going to take the time to make these clickable, because if you're not willing to copy and paste, you only prove my point that you are avoiding news reports about reality:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/DN-arrest_24met.ART.State.Edition1.4c46a6a.html Gee, funny how they didn't get recorded.
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/04/22/2031222/Seattle-Hacker-Catches-Cops-Who-Hid-Arrest-Tapes?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+(Slashdot)&utm_content=Google+Reader - yeah, camera didn't help him, did it?
Not directly related, but, uh, cops can lie, and this law is going to target pedestrians as much as drivers: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20100409_11_A17_Aforme19933
Did a camera save this lady, even though the court admits she broke no law? http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/pregnant_woman_tasered/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wired/index+(Wired:+Index+3+(Top+Stories+2))&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
Wake up, man. I got all these stories from the first 3 pages of my own link collection at http://delicious.com/clintjcl/abuseofauthority
... If I went through all 76 pages of my link collection, I'd have a litany of examples showing that your attitude is not at all realistic. If I expanded my search beyond those stories I've personally read, I'd have even more.Go ahead and make an ad hominem attack about my comments on the links. It's kind of what I expect at this point.
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Passive IR or Backscatter
The image you link appears to be a passive IR with fairly low resolution. However, I was under the impression that these sensors were acrive (i.e. they emit mm waves and detect the backscatter) and had much higher resolution than the image you show (cf. new report linked from a TSA page on the topic).
Obviously the latter raises a much more blatant privacy concern (it's basically a strip search without removing your clothes). So...is the TSA mostly going for the former tech, the latter, both, a random mix or what?
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Re:Sorry
In Zimbabwe since 2002 they've been engaging in an innovative agriculture program: seizing farms owned by white farmers and turning them over to military lackeys who know nothing about agriculture. Surprisingly, yields are down.
Zimbabwe was once a major food exporter to southern Africa. Now they can't even feed themselves.
So yeah, the sad part is that lot of farmers that could have feed their communities are pushed out of business by thugs who then don't know what to do with the land.
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Re:Another smart move from the movers and shakers.
My hometown paper, the Tulsa World used to do exactly that.
Used to.
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Re:the sad thing is
And what are you going to do when we're all charging for access?
I'll probably ride my unicorn up over the rainbow into the clouds, because that will never happen.
The fact of the matter is that (porn excepted) people don't pay for online content. Period. If that means we only get "amateur" news reporting, then that's what it will mean.
Show me one successful online news source that pays for a large investigative staff off of walled-off subscription content. One.
I know my local paper tried allowing online access only to subscribers (print subscription worked). It failed. There are just too many other places to get free news (even if its inferior). They eventually had to make everything free to try to generate some kind of revenue off of it. Salon tried the same thing when their VC money initially ran out. They hemoraged readership. Within a few weeks they felt the need to provide public access again with annoyance ads that you could buy away. Eventually those were gone too.
Perhaps Mr. Murdoch thinks he has some grand business theory that nobody on the web has ever thought of before to make pay content work. But unless porn is involved, he's wrong.
I don't have a crystal ball, but my guess for where we are all headed is a web full of independent investivate reporters with their own websites. Here's a local example
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Re:How does US registration work?
Are you telling me that in the US, if people don't do this "registration" thing a month in advance and they show up the day of the election, they won't be allowed to vote in some states? Huh?
Yup. Most states, actually.
Not only that, but even if you do bother to go out of your way to register to vote, you can get purged from the rolls for any number of reasons. Congress passed a law to limit this a few years back. Election boards now aren't allowed to purge non-felons unless they haven't voted in 8 years *and* don't respond to a notice sent to their registered address. This was clearly intended as a baseline to limit abuses, but my own state took that law as a suggestion, and wrote its own laws to *require* counties to do purges in just that way once a year.
Of course poorer folk move way more often than rich people, which means it takes a lot more work (and knowldege of the laws) for them to keep themselves registered. This has the net effect amplifying the political power of the rich. To see this in action, check out this article from my local paper. Note the highlighted areas where the county kicked over three thousand voters off the rolls in the last two years are the poorer black and hispanic areas of the city. These areas aren't losing people either, just voters.
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Re:Capitalisim at its best...
I completely agree with you on the nuke plants. We cannot build them fast enough. We need AT LEAST 40-50 new Nuke power stations as has been suggested by a particular political party's candidate.
I do know that Congress, just like with the congressional-imposed ban to drill for oil/gas in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, has limited the ability to put up wind power farms.
In my home state of Oklahoma, I read somewhere that there is a restriction on the books limiting Wind Generator farms to only 500 turbines per COUNTY. With each generator requiring the same area of a large house with a front and back yard, I'd say that's rather limiting and shortsighted. After all, the wind is best geographically where the wind is best.
Many of the obstacles that Pickens is suggesting Congress to get involved in are related to stupid laws that have been lobbied and inserted into the books by corrupted politicians such as the artificial limit on how large the 'wind farm' cluster can be per county. A Federal Mandate in many cases can overcome the numerous disingenuous state lays and ordnances as they claim that too many birds are self-selection their candidacy and trying out for the Darwin-Awards in the wind generator blades and they follow up with cries of "NIMBY".
Of course, 'the liberal hippies' are spreading FUD all over.. (apparently they WANT more coal-fired power plants?) And yes, Democrats, as judged by their own actions, want higher prices on anything energy-related they do not tightly regulate and collect a chunk of tax dollars on. But they have to leave the laws open-ended some so they can collect those fat contributions every election cycle.
Nobody is publicly talking about just how many of the stupid tax collecting laws wind-power bypasses because it does not use any fuel that can be taxed, and it puts fat checks in the pockets of the surface landowners who OWN the surface of their land and 99% of these land owners are all for wind power clusters after their checks clear.
-Now that profitable and efficient massive 'wind farms' are an actual threat and likelihood to these liberal/progressive interests, they are resurrecting the "Spotted Owl Strategy"... Only this time it is with the "Whooping Crane". (I can remember in Oklahoma when they found one of these endangered birds deceased as it apparently had flown directly into a 5' tall barbed wire fence... There was a 'hippie' drive to then pull up and restrict the fences in that part of the state.)
What total BS!
Somebody please call Penn & Teller and get this on their show at Showtime1!...
For example, here is a 'fine' piece by the liberal AP: http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080321_238_A11_spanc46450
Here is what Oklahoma State University has put together: http://www.ocgi.okstate.edu/owpi/ With Oklahoma geospatial wind map: http://www2.ocgi.okstate.edu/website/owpi2/viewer.htm -
Re:Nice locationsyou build a data center in Oklahoma or Kansas Apparently, Google is building in Oklahoma, too.
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Re:Coincidence
The Mayan calendar is actually more accurate with respect to solar time than the Gregorian.
Here's a Tulaa World newspaper article I wrote years ago about various calendar systems.
Wikipedia describes the 13.0.0.0.0 myth as occurring because the last cycle of the world ended just before that rollover. However, the really really long count in the Mayan calendar implies there are 13^20 long count cycles from the end of the world.
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Alzheimer's disaster looming
"Alzheimer's disease will overwhelm the nation's Medicare system in less than 25 years unless scientists find a way to prevent or cure it." [Tulsaworld.com] The article also states that more than a third of current Medicare expenditures are related to Alzheimer's and that figure will grow quickly as the U.S. population ages. Now if those figures are true its about time they (the men in white coats) found a cure for this disease. It is also remarkably (as well as suspiciously) timely. Guess they knew this was coming
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And some businesses are attacking...
I submitted this a couple of days ago, but it seems it wasn't important enough for its own story.
A local news paper, The Tulsa World, sent out a cease and desist letter saying to stop quoting their opinions/articles (in whole or in part) and to stop deep linking to their unprotected .pdfs to these websites:
Batesline.com, Chris Medlock's blog (a city councilor who is the subject of a recall), and TulsaNow.org because some messages in the forum include links to articles.
The Tulsa World's webmaster apparently didn't know how to stop unauthorized linking until just recently. Wednesday he said it couldn't be done, today it is fixed.
Two other websites are involved in this story of so called copyright infringement, freedom of speech and deep linking. Tulsans for election integrity also received the letter, they are against the recall. The coalition for responsible government are for the recall and has directly copied, in their entirety, articles from the Tulsa World and have received no such letter (the we know of) the Tulsa World has been informed, so either the coalition for responsible government is ignoring the demand or the Tulsa World has given them blanket permission to do such a thing.
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And some businesses are attacking...
I submitted this a couple of days ago, but it seems it wasn't important enough for its own story.
A local news paper, The Tulsa World, sent out a cease and desist letter saying to stop quoting their opinions/articles (in whole or in part) and to stop deep linking to their unprotected .pdfs to these websites:
Batesline.com, Chris Medlock's blog (a city councilor who is the subject of a recall), and TulsaNow.org because some messages in the forum include links to articles.
The Tulsa World's webmaster apparently didn't know how to stop unauthorized linking until just recently. Wednesday he said it couldn't be done, today it is fixed.
Two other websites are involved in this story of so called copyright infringement, freedom of speech and deep linking. Tulsans for election integrity also received the letter, they are against the recall. The coalition for responsible government are for the recall and has directly copied, in their entirety, articles from the Tulsa World and have received no such letter (the we know of) the Tulsa World has been informed, so either the coalition for responsible government is ignoring the demand or the Tulsa World has given them blanket permission to do such a thing.
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Re:A few points
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access only for print subscribers
My home town newspaper's web site now only allows access to print subscribers. They charge $45 a year for non-subscribers. They don't even allow access to current stories. And "archive" stories (those older than about 2 days) are limited even for paid subscribers.
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Re:So we harrass innocents for the greater good?
The underlying argument that you (and others on the racial profiling bandwagon) seem to be on is that the police really are "harassing" blacks completely based on their race and not as part of an ongoing police investigation.
Now that's an interesting attempt to twist the facts to support an argument. The trouble with the attempt is that we're not ``on the
... bandwagon'', but simply reacting to events.Take a f'rinstance my beautiful Northern state of Connecticut. A couple of blacks were seen driving an expensive sports car out of a beach parking lot in one of the more well-off areas of the state (Sherwood Island, for those of you who know the area). The cops stopped them, for no justifiable reason, on ``suspicion'' of auto theft. Luckily for the driver, and unluckily for the cops, the driver was an Army general, and his buddy was an Assistant Attorney General for the state. As you can imagine the problem was settled quickly and quietly; I only know about it because one of my friends is a specialist in, shall we say, police-misbehavior cases hereabouts. Sorry I can't give you any independent verification for this one.
However, you can check out the incident of a black Tulsa police officer stopped by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol on a made-up cause, or better yet, the case in which the Border Patrol twice, as two separate events, stopped a Federal judge on his way to his courtroom.
These are just the cases of people with enough clout to raise a proper stink over their unjustified treatment. If you've ever tried to fight City Hall, you know how hard it is for a regular Joe to get a hearing, much less someone from the poor section of town. Nevertheless, when police records are examined (in the cases where they keep good enough records to tell) the evidence is clear---police stop blacks for no reason much more than others.
What the left really doesn't want, in the name of racial equality or whatever the mission is, is common sense to be applied to policing.
Well, certainly not, if that ``common sense'' means stopping innocent citizens with no suspicion of their having done anything wrong. And, yes we do posit an alternative---follow the Constitution, stop those who against whom you have some evidence, and let the rest of the citizenry enjoy the rights for which we fought to establish this country.