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NASA Confirms Solar Storm Near 2012
An anonymous reader writes "`This week researchers announced that a storm is coming — the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.`
`Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.`
Anyone familiar with the Mayan Calendar? December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar) Coincidence?"
`Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.`
Anyone familiar with the Mayan Calendar? December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar) Coincidence?"
This explains it all! Higher activity on the sun accounts for higher temperatures on Earth and Mars. Next thing you know there will be no explanation for global warming anymore..
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The article is dated March 10, 2006.
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Yes - it's just a coincidence
You're a temporary arrangement of matter sliding towards oblivion in a cold, uncaring universe
No. Yes.
...every knows the Mayan calender only ended on that date because they ran out of rock face to chisel it on. I'm sure it could've gone on for millions of years.
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12/21/2012 12+21+20+12=65 !! That's how old Jesus would be if he was born in 1942!! COINCIDENCE??
If they're as accurate at predicting storms on the sun as they are here on earth, I'll believe them when it's happening.
Let me break it down for you: the Mayans had a very advanced & complex calendar that took into account a lot of different cycles and even some of the most extraordinary hiccups that come with man's attempt at keeping track of time. For the Gregorian calendar, we have leap years except we skip one every four hundred years and even with that in place I think we lose a day every 8,000 years. And you will find that every model has some special issues.
So, back to the Mayans, their measurements of days came in sets of 13, contrary to our sets of 7 days in a week. So the world is no more likely to end on 13.0.0.0.0 than it was on the new years even in year seven. Just because 13 was always the last number in their cycles just means that we start a new cycle. No cataclysmic event needed to mark it. The cycle simply repeats and they most likely go to 1.0.0.0.0 there's no such thing as overflow in their calendar.
Fun hokey astrological implications? Yes. Cold hard scientific data pointing to the end of the world? No.
My work here is dung.
Is it the one where all twelve are nude except for loincloths and headdresses?
Um... no, I'm not familiar with it.
Step into a huge movement. Don't Tread In Me.
First its Y2K then killer asteroids, Unix timestamp running out in 2038 now this. Whats next?
It's just the end of the current round of the long count in the calendar. Then it start over.
It's not the end of anything in any significant sense, just the turning of a wheel. It's just as reasonable to think of it as a beginning.
Looking at auroras will be cool too. Be sure to reserve the left seat on US to Europe red-eye flights, I've seen amazing aurorae out that window, nothing that you could see from the ground.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
If it is second to the great storm of 1958 (need I remind you that we lived through it?), then what's the big deal besides a greater reliance on technology these days? If it were 5 times stronger than the '58 storm, then I could see a concern arising.
Only thing I can think of is the smaller features in electronics lending themselves to higher susceptibility to cosmic radiation than before.
Looks like I need to really get to work on my Elecraft K1. With a solar maximum like they're predicting, QRP is going to be awesome!
No matter where you go... there you are.
More batteries!! That's gonna be a lot of wasted solar energy. I need to double up on cells, and make sure I have enough batteries to store as much as possible. (Granted, I'm not account for 1% loss per day of total capacity of the store).
So that we'd have sunshine in London during the games. :-)
Yes, next question
This is easy.
December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar)
Noted. I'll be sure to eat mexican food on the 19th, and some german food on the 20th to make sure I have really bad gas on the 21st.
That way, if the world ends, I can take the credit because I was farting all day.
So can anyone say, with any amount of certainty, how a major solar storm will effect us earthlings? Or is that a silly questions?
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Jut thought that was interesting.
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So you're implying that NASA designed the Mayan calandar?
Also keep in mind, that in 1958, most all electronic devices in commercial usage were based on vacuum tubes ("valves" for you Brits). Tube-type electronic circuits are very resistant to damage and disruption of operation by the kind of radiation that would reach Earth from solar events... and also from nuclear radiation as well. Solid-state electronics though beginning to become available, were not in widespread use very much at all.
... for the US elections
"65535 votes for X in this voting machine??? errr! Must be the solar storm..."
You can't blame the lightning strikes on Emmet Brown, that was three years earlier.
and neither will the world:
u nt_calendar#2012_and_the_Long_Count
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Co
I wish this unfounded rumor could be laid to rest.
And answer your question January 1st, 2013.
Won't anyone think of the Jaguars!
Not to mods: If you believe that was off topic, then you need to brush up on your Mayan mythology.
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Enough is enough...
-- Rastignac was here.
Supposed "remote viewer" Major Ed Dames has not-so-accurately predicted such a solar flare. He calls it the "Killshot" and says it will end most life on the planet.
And naturally he is selling the secrets of how to survive this solar flare on DVD for the low low price of $24.99. Still, it's interesting to see a psychic's claim being backed by scientific observations.
Blerg.
climate I would be curious what side effects they think this will have on our world other than electromagnetic issues?
Does sunspot activity correspond to an decrease in the amount of radiation hitting the earth? If we are at a low point now for sunspots will their increase be truly noticable?
I am only wondering as some scientists have put forward the idea that the sun's activities plays a much greater role in our environment than many give it credit for.
So will an increase in sunspot activity affect us? ( I have no idea, hence I am asking from people who do)
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It answered both questions effectively and efficiently. I'm sufficiently impressed.
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Wow, that's even more insightful! Too bad I used my mod points on the now infamous "binary post". Just kidding, I don't have mod points today.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is usually crucified.
Bringing up the Mayan Calendar, and the sun's various cycles, is a book called "Apocalypse 2012". (Not an affiliate link.) It's not as dire as the title might sound, though the author (Lawrence E. Joseph) does explore some of the various issues with that date. One concept he examines is that as the solar system moves around the galactic center, the earth has been shielded from various radiations it will no longer be shielded from after that date.
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as we all know, some idiot predicted that the Earth would be hit hard in the nearish future, almost wiped out entirely, due to a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) aimed directly at the planet.
Not very likely, although a lot of satellites, etc. will probably suddenly become due for major upgrades.
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Anyone familiar with the Mayan Calendar? December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar) Coincidence?"
In Dubuque Iowa a woman severely burns her hand at the same exact moment her daughter is giving her boyfriend a hand job 8 miles away in his car.. Coincidence?
Plus responding to me would have undone your moderation anyway :)
Would the answer:
...be moderated higher? Because that is how I would have answered the question.
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Insightful???
Yes. No. No.
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This article from NASA JPL is very informative on the subject.
I think we need to take a look at the hysteria. It is turn our attention away from what we can do to better this planet. And, the idea of carbon offsets just makes people feel better for their polution levels.
Global Warming has become the new Medieval Church and anyone who does not walk a precise line on the message faces the New Inquisition.
We do need to live more green, more clean, and more simple. But, the public won't buy off on that message if we keep tying it to the Holy Church of Global Warming Hysteria. If we can show more immediate effects of living green and clean the public will follow.
We need to separate those whose real agenda is socio-economic change from the environmental argument. They aren't really interested in the environment, anyway. We need to remove the scammers, like the "carbon offset" (unregulated, uncertified, non-verifiable) companies to improve public perception.
We need to substitue Ed Beagley Jr. for Al Gore. Ed lives, breathes, talks, and walks the environment. Al Gore, while talking about it, still jets around the world, when he could use his own invention, the Internet, to show up at appearances, he maintains a house in Tennessee that uses 20 times the amount of energy as his neighbors, he is a glutton who preaches about the wonders of a diet.
Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong fix.
I believe the actual date from the Mayan calendar is Sunday, December 23rd, 2012. A friend and I have had a wager riding on this one for 11 years...
* Expects to get +5 Insightful for this lame post *
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
Damn, you found a bug in my code.
Didn't _their_ end times happen a few hundred years ago? I'd say they actually overshot the thing a bit.
which do yuo prefer to look at
aurorae/auroras
or
areolas?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
We're not going to pass through the tail of a comet are we ? .. solar storms I can handle, but those damn comet tails hold zombies.
I mean
Self preservation would make me hide out in a tin garden shed, or the back of my big-rig,
but really, the world is just doomed from that point on.
--Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum, non erravi pernicose!
shield against cosmic rays which cause water droplets to form, which makes clouds which cools the Earth, so that when activity is high, Earth heats up.
This shows a FAR higher correlation to climate change than does CO2, which appears to be an effect, and not a cause.
Isn't this about when "they" say the magnetic reversal will be in
full swing?
Worst solar max ever $32.50
Myan Calendar ends $15.10
Global warming now solar system wide $11.50
No protection from solar flares due to
weakening of the earth's magnetic field....
priceless.
Actually, the problem was that they were using 36-bit integers to represent seconds.
Now there was a subfaction amongst them who argued for abandoning the 36-bit representation, and moving to a 64-bit address bus, but the 36-bitters pointed out that that wouldn't be reverse-compatible with the existing segmented address space, so they cooked the 64-bitters and ate them with fava beans and a nice Argentinean Malbec.
Subsequently, because they hadn't invented the concept of "zero" yet, when the 36-bitters came to discover the wrap-around problem, in what would come to be known as "December", of "2012", they all threw their hands up in despair and committed hara-kiri.
You know what I just love about crazy "end-of-the-world" crap and how it always seems to come up?
That I can always predict that life on planet earth will not be destroyed. First, every "end of the world" prediction has shown to be false (evidence - I'm writing about it right now). Second, even if I'm wrong - nobody will be around to point this out.
Granted, this is one time where I think everybody wants me to be right...
Might be an idea to invest our hard earned dosh in the sun screen business. We'll need to trash this 13.0.0.0.0 date though, its too freaky.
But just an observant of shit that is going around lately with the world.
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Even wierder - since 1952 RCA has used the positions of the planets (i.e., astrology) to predict sunspots and their effects on the long range HF radio
communications net they maintain for the Dept. of Defense across the Pacific. There is some correlation between the positions of the planets and the
intensity of sunspots - i.e., there is a real world correlation between astrology and the sunspot cycle and the aurora strength, etc.
With regard to the Mayan calendar: don't assume that they had a cyclic view of things in all regards. I recall that one of the ancient civilizations (Sumer?) experienced a social collapse because they had one of those "chiseled in stone" calendars and folks started predicting the end of the world a few centuries
before the end of the calendar - and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy as everybody in the society got wierded out 'cause they didn't know how to turn the
page on the calendar, to the extent it lead to a social collapse.
Sorry, I didn't get past your subject line, where you couldn't spell "conniving".
No, I'm not, but I'm a married adult with a job and interests in the real world.
13.0.0.0.0
is this something like a mayan IPv5 network address? it wasn't until recently that we got larger address space than the mayas with IPv6.
I write code for a series of production centers (they print customized maps). The original system was developed 10 years ago and aside from a few hard drive crashes/replacements they're on the same exact SUN hardware/OS they were on 10 years ago. All the while the code base has matured and expanded greatly. Of course, I love programming in Motif... but aside from that there's not really any hurdles. I'm glad they aren't win98 or NT 4.0 boxes because that would have meant having to charge them for new hardware and operating systems 2-3 times over the same 10 year period. On top of that we would have had to rewrite quite a bit of that old code during each upgrade.
Check out my lame java blog at www.javachopshop.com
This just proved that not only is the CO2 on Earth killing the baby seals in the Arctic Ocean, it's actually causing Solar Storm from the sun. Is there no end to Bush's evil?
Misspellings or grammatical errors does not reduce/demean the value of facts or ideas contained in anything.
but, as you also wont be reading this post as you wont have passed the misspelled subject header, you will be deprived of the above important life-lesson.
bad for you.
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I think it's really a mark of the times in which we live (GWB and all) when a Monty Python fan can't tell if you are a loonie or a comic genius.
How often do we hear about solar flares or storms affecting communications and satellites...etc... I don't remember ever loosing my cell phone or TV or Internet or anything do to this.
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people
who knew that hummers had emissions that caused solar storms. now we do and al gore must do whatever it takes to come out with another film and charge people $8 for the truth.
You're looking for the word concise. Wonderful word.
Anyone familiar with the Mayan Calendar? December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar) Coincidence?"
Nope, it's true every time.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
instead of bashing on about global warming we need to bash on about
...and you'd get fitter...
...and therefore be happier
...and you know for a fact what pestisides and fertilizers were used to grow them...
...and you get yet more exersise whilst gardening
1. asthma
2. the fact that every sandstone building in an urban location is black from years of exhaust fumes, or are lungs immune from the same effect?
3. recycling is the natural norm of things, hence decomposition, bugs, worms and mould whilst use-once trow away for ever is clearly not.
4. smog
5. landfills look ugly and smell bad
6. motorways/freeways and their junctions take up vast acres of land compared to a railway system of the same capacity. look ugly and create a lot of noise
7. if you live within walking/cycling distance of your job imagine the time and money you'd save on commuting...
8.
9.
10. look up, you can't see the stars because of all the light pollution, stars are pretty, light pollution is yellow and ugly.
11. power stations are big andspew out big clouds of smoke/steam which sure doesnt look pretty
12. if you grow your own vegetables then you don't have to give your money to walmart just for the privelidge of eating...
13.
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I just reeled that all off the top of my head and some of it is no doubt apocryphal, but it just demonstrates that there are a whole host of reasons for going green apart from the endless arguments about global warming.
If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
You can bounce radio signals off the ionosphere with fairly simple equipment, if you have a ham radio license you can do it too. The interesting thing is that not everything is known about the ionosphere. For example, an open question is whether Long-Delayed Echoes exist or not, or whether they are just Backscatter, or if they are real.
Funny how people forget..
When Galaxy 4 died it took out 80% of the pagers in the US plus several video feeds used by the major networks (I worked for CBS at the time)
This was 2 years before the 2000 Solar max when solar activity was ramping up.
More storms in 2003 took out power in parts of Switzerland and killed 2 Satellites
There were several solar flare warnings around that time.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast14jul_2 m.htm
July 14, 2000 -- This morning NOAA satellites and the orbiting Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) recorded one of the most powerful solar flares of the current solar cycle. Space weather forecasters had been predicting for days that an intense flare might erupt from the large sunspot group 9077, and today one did.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/power_outage _031031.html
The sixth in an unprecedented series of strong space storms dished out by the Sun over a 10-day period plowed past Earth Thursday, apparently cutting power to 20,000 Swedish customers. The powerful series of outbursts also claimed two satellites as casualties while fueling a host of minor disruptions to radio broadcasts and airline flight plans.
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/articles/eisbaker.html
A very intense flux of electrons, evident in the magnetosphere earlier this year, may have caused a satellite failure (or at least exacerbated the situation) leading to the loss of telephone pager service to 45 million customers, research has shown. The electrons, known as highly relativistic electrons (HREs), were especially numerous in the weeks preceding the failure. Researchers say HREs have triggered spacecraft anomalies in the past when fluxes are elevated. They therefore believe this energetic electron event could have been behind the failure of the attitude control system of the Galaxy 4 spacecraft at 2200 UT on May 19, 1998. A backup system also failed, either at the same time or earlier, so operators were unable to maintain a stable Earth link.
Galaxy 4 is a heavily used communication satellite at geostationary orbit*. Its sudden failure caused not only widespread loss of pager service but also numerous other communication outages. Using a wide array of datasets, our team of scientists analyzed the space environment for the times in question and found evidence of highly disturbed solar, solar wind*, and geomagnetic conditions in late April and early May. The combination of coronal mass ejections*, solar flares*, and high speed solar wind streams led to a powerful sequence of interplanetary disturbances that hit the Earth. These disturbances produced a deep, powerful, and long-lasting enhancement of the HRE population throughout the outer Van Allen radiation zone. The kinds of disturbances witnessed are indicative of the types of events that may commonly occur during the approaching peak in solar activity in the years 2000 and 2001. It will be most important to determine how well space systems can stand up to the multifaceted effects of the space environment over the next several years.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/ cell_phone_020306.html
Next time your cell phone drops acall, don't rush to blame your service provider. The culprit may well be anangry Sun.
A new study of 40 years of solardata shows that during peaks in activity, bursts of energy from the Sun canpotentially cause dropped calls for some cell phone users across wide areastwice per week. The problem is caused when radio waves associated with thebursts hit cell phone towers, creating static that overwhelms the signal at thetower, where calls are relayed.
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If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur. --Red Adair
At least you are ahead of the +1 Insightful remark above that I replied to, in which I presented my idea for a binary autoresponder. He started out at +4 though, so the ride can be bumpy. As the body of your remark is an exact replica of his (except for the pandering to moderators), you should get a +5 Redundant. Maybe +4 since your heading differs.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_mond ay_031027.html
To the naysayers:
These solar storms could very well disrupt communications. Do a little research and understand that if certain conditions are met:
-intesity and speed of particles from sun
-the way they actually hit the Earth's magnetic poles
We could really be in for some trouble! If you think that there is no possible way for a solar storm to screw up our entire way of life, think again.
In 1859 there was a massive solar storm like no other which caused telegraph lines to ignite!
Imagine that one! You wake up, No TV, No Internets, no power, and everything is on fire from the fried telephone wires.
First its Y2K then killer asteroids, Unix timestamp running out in 2038 now this. Whats next?
My money is on the Giant Rabbits.
You'll see. They will kill us all.
> `Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.`
Man, I love Hathaway! She's so hot with that long black hair, creamy white skin, and big red lips.
> Anyone familiar with the Mayan Calendar? December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar) Coincidence?"
Dilbert: Watch out! The year 2000 is coming! People think bad things are gonna happen. What do we learn from this?
Dogbert: That God uses a base 10 counting system and hates big round numbers?
Dilbert: It sounds stupid when you say it.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
NASA has not confirmed a storm in the future. They have forecast a future storm. They might, in the future, confirm that the storm occurred. But they will not be able to confirm it until after it occurs.
As the summary states, there is still disagreement about when it will occur. In the future. Some years from now. After which people can work to confirm who had the closest forecast.
Although lately it sounds like the Dems are more likely to launch Hilary Clinton on this mission.
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2012 bumper sticker? "Don't blame me, I voted for Obama
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
This means the E layer will get a lot more charged particles. Skip land here I come. The HF bands will be hoppin'. Time to get my WAC.
You win. The Mayan calender ends at Venus' "final" transit of the sun. The return of Quetzalcoatl, or second coming, if you will.
A blog about stuff.
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Yes, and we just finished the worst hurricane season on record. How can NASA "confirm" anything? Confirming a prediction means it's still just a prediction.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Still, it's interesting to see a psychic's claim being backed by scientific observations.
Or, you could say that it's not at ALL interesting to see a scam artist selling his crap based on his dramafying of something that actual scientists have regularly pointed out. They're not backing HIM up, he's scamming intellectually stunted people out of money by vaguely pointing to something on the calendar that they can properly use as a fear focus. It's the oldest trick in the book... take a scrap of truthy info, wrap a bit of hokum around it, and propose a saving solution. When clowns like this are selling DVDs for $25, but don't take up Randi on his million-dollar offer, you know they're full of crap.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see. And come the morning of the next next day we can all start posting again on how wrong people were. Seriously, how many people think that mankind will be able to predict when the world is going to end? I may be wrong, but I don't expect many people on /. are Christians, and thats cool with me. God created us all with free will. We can choose to believe in him or not. As for me, I don't think God is the only one who knows when the world is going to end, and we'll all find out when it happens.
and to answer your question about the Mayan calendar, i'd say its just a coincidence. but thats my two cents.
"Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all sons of the light and sons of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be alert and self-controlled. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." --1 Thessalonians 5:1-11
nuf said
The millennialist had it off, because the counting was from the death & resurection, not the birth. Passover was on Thursday in 30CE and 33CE. The former fits age better according to most commentators.
:-) we did survive 1958 or is this a dream my parents had before they met and got married?
Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
Aren't you dead, or was the rest of the world in a mushroom trip for the last 7 years? I guess we'd better get out our timewave formulas.
Spork.
P.S. Spork.
Man is this idea played out - 5000+ years. Both the Hindu and Mayan calendars started at about the same time and both point to a time close to 2012 when a new cycle for the Earth begins - not the end of the world (EOTW)! http://hinduism.about.com/od/basics/a/goldenage.ht m
/ solar_max_sidebar_000131.html
Sure the power grid may be overloaded and transformers fried if this is what you mean by the EOTW then yes the current system is very fragile. "During the last maximum in 1989, a power surge triggered by solar energy damaged transformers of the Hydro-Quebec power system, leaving 6 million people in Canada and the northeast United States without power for more than nine hours. The event also knocked satellites out of orbit and disrupted radio communications." - http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem
What this actually may do is again wake people up to suppling their own basic electrical needs via wind and solar and to use the grid power less and less. "Among the innovations that could have the greatest impact in the next decade: a new generation of lightweight, quiet electric cars that can be re-fueled at home; the conversion of coal plants to efficient gas turbines; mass-produced wind and solar generators that are cost-competitive with the most advanced fossil plants; tiny fuel cells and rooftop solar panels that allow people to generate their own electricity." - http://www.worldwatch.org/node/1073
We'll all get to be Fantastic- um 6 billion!
What power will YOU get!
deadkevin
Before modding this guy up you might want to see his previous templated posts and refutations:
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I wonder how much he's getting paid to do this...or if he's really as demented as his posts seem to imply.
> Um, I think you mean "George W. Bush's impact".
What makes this joke especially funny is that, despite the fervent belief of most of the crazy elements on the left, George W, Bush CAN'T sign the Kyoto Treaty even if he wanted to. So their carping for him to sign only reveals their ignorance.
Huh? What can I possibly mean? Am I trolling? Nope. Shrubbie can't sign Kyoto because there is already a signature on it for the US. President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton has already signed the Kyoto Treaty. Knowing it wouldn't have a chance in the Senate of being ratified he simply tossed it in a desk drawer after the ceremony to avoid the humiliation of seeing it voted down. You see, the Senate had already passed a non-binding resolution condemning Kyoto by a 90+ overwhelming vote.
Democrat delenda est
Wasn't the earth's magnetic field dropping and going to switch poles.
What if both occur at the same time? No magnetic field, massive solar
storm...its all over but the crying.
Nope, just in time to knock off the invading aliens.
Mod Karma -1: I sed bad wurds. If I cep my mouf shut, I wud be at riyses.
Man, if you remove that 13 from the mayan date, that creates a quad zero ip.... we all know what that means.... we're DOOMEDEDED!
...and everything goes t*ts-up!
http://nathanlindsell.blogspot.com/
"Party like it's 2012"
As I understand it, the solar recession (er...did I spell that right?) ocurrs in a (roughly) 26000 year cycle, which is in keeping with the larger natural cycles also tracked by the Mayan calendar. So in a sense, this is exactly the kind of thing they were predicting. If you really want to geek out on it, check out "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Graham Hancock, who makes the argument that this sort of thing is why the ancients built big monuments: so that there would be long standing edifices to educate us in understanding these processes, even after their culture had gone. Also "The Mayan Factor" by Jose Arguelles, who references Carl Jung's ideas in synchronicity as well as the i-ching to make his point of what the whole Mayan calendar system means. Super fun compelling stuff. Peace.
"We need to separate those whose real agenda is socio-economic change from the environmental argument. They aren't really interested in the environment, anyway."
Um, I think you'll find the Green movement has *always* been interested in both socio-economic change *and* in the environment. It's a holistic worldview. Maybe they push the connections a little bluntly sometimes, and seize on Big Events like climat change as 'teaching tools' because they're really, really frustrated with how many people don't see what are the, to a Green, pervasive but very deep and sometimes non-obvious links between everything.
Not that hard to understand, really.
What I find hard to understand is why people who are opposed to Green views somehow thinking that merely saying "but you want to CHANGE our SOCIO-ECONOMIC BASE!" as if that automatically damns the cause beyond redemption.
Well, yeah. Duh. Of course. And do you have a specific criticism *of* that change?
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
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The Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints Thinks they did. Read the Book of Mormon sometime you might find it interesting as it relates to this topic. In a nut shell it says that a small group of Jews left Israel shortly before it was conquered and sailed to the Americas. The book is much more involved than that so I recommend the reading if you'd like the full story. P.S. It would also explain Pyramids on two separate continents because they had the record of the Jews that left Egypt.
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No. The total energy of charged particles impacting the upper atmosphere is tiny compared with the solar light energy Compare for example, the intensity of the aurora with the intensity of sunlight. Now add in the fact that the aurora covers a tiny fraction of the earths surface while sunlight blankets half of the earth at any time.
Even if it were a significant amount of energy, this energy is entirely absorbed by the atmosphere at altitudes above 60km. You would need to come up with a plausible mechanism for transporting this radiation down into the lower atmosphere without increasing the temperature of the stratosphere.
No, it isn't. The change on Jupiter is regional, not global. There is no indication that it is related to any solar phenomenon.
No, it isn't. Mars is losing CO2 ice near its South Pole. The most likely explanation is that large dust storms from recent years dumped some dust on the ice causing it to absorb sunlight and sublime. This sublimation may cause warming by increasing the CO2 and H2O content of the Martian atmosphere. This might feedback into causing more ice to evaporate. Since there isn't an active carbonate silicate cycle on Mars due to lack of liquid water, there is nothing to prevent this from occurring. So it's likely that the Martian climate experiences warming of this type in a cyclical manner, and that the warming will continue until something else stops it. For example the reduction in the temperature difference between the poles and the equatorial regions might slow the winds enough that the dust storms stop allowing increased precipitaion of CO2 onto the poles. There is no equivalent mechanism at work on Earth. However the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere is more than 20 times longer than the residence time of methane. But wait officer, there were forest fires before there were people. Therefore it couldn't have been my campfire that started it.But wait officer, people can die without being murdered. Therefore it doesn't matter whether my fingerprints are on the gun.
Point 1 you could have gotten wrong just because you don't know anything about atmospheric science. The rest just puts you in the denial camp. Drop the political agenda for a while and see reality.Support SETI@home
Same year as the forthcoming alien invasion. Coincidence? I think not.
No. Clearly the Mayans were fully aware that there'd be a slightly-more-powerful-than-normal solar maximum in the year 2012! The implications of this are, well, quite trivial actually.
Also, I've noticed that Nostradamus and many of the popular television 'psychics' are quite good at predicting things after they've already happened! Coincidence? I think not.
no seriously .... instant tan :)
oooor maybe its the big guy taking a picture of us all ... say cheeeeeeeeeese !!!
We should all wear our Sunday best for those years juuust in case :)
Obviously it's a coincidence, if it's accurate. But it'd be nice to kill such a rumor with historical information anyway. Seems like it would be difficult to accurately compare our current calendar with the Mayan one and pinpoint down to the day.
Anybody know if that measurement is wrong given the disparity between the Julian/Gregorian calendars in the West (or the history of our current calendar system in general)? Maybe that date is really November 24th (or whatever) in the earliest "modern" European calendar system. I remember reading somewhere that there's only been a unified calendar in Europe/the British colonies for about 250 years.
I'm not interested enough to research, but maybe there are slashdotters out there who know a lot about this subject...
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12 21 2012 / 13 baktun marks an alignment involved in the 26,000 year precession of the equinoxes "a platonic year" or world age, aeon, etc...
its possible jesus and his fellow essene initiates were aware of this as the egyptians were (and well his people were "out of egypt")
that is where Plato learned it from the priests themselves
http://exodus2006.com/plato.htm
From Timaeus by Plato - the text records a conversation that took place between a Greek named Solon and an Egyptian priest possibly named Sonchis. The Egyptian tells how the movement of bodies in the heavens leads to the destruction of the earth at long intervals and how all knowledge is lost at these times.
"Phaethon, son of Helios, yoked his father's chariot and, because he was unable to drive it along the course taken by his father burnt up all that was upon the earth, and himself perished by a thunderbolt - that story, as it is told, has the fashion of a legend, but the truth of it lies in the occurrence of a shift of the bodies in the heavens which move round the earth and a destruction of the things on the earth by fierce fire, which recurs at long intervals. "
and also the hindus knew of the yugas cycles of time
where is JOHN MAJOR JENKINS? lol he has two books on the topic...
no one has even mentioned this... so i had to post something
THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO
ST MATTHEW
CHAPTER 24
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the asign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I'm listening, Go on...
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Whacko cults are fun to mock, but Mormons just make it too freaking easy.
There is no "open-minded" way in which the verses I linked to are acceptable.
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
Um...to be clear, radiation includes "light", IR and UV components as well.
There has been some large concern over an increasing ozone-size and the fact that it may be decades before pollutants (CFC's and such), released decades ago, decline enough to reverse the lowering ozone density.
That lowered ozone and growing lack of ozone (ozone holes, mainly over south, but with some effects noticed over north pole (!side question, why are most pollution heavy cultures (western) in northern hemisphere and ozone hole is largest in southern hemisphere?!)) is allowing significantly larger amounts of high energy radiation (UV light is higher energy/photon than visible or Infrared spectrum) through to the surface. It isn't being filtered out in the upper atmosphere. There is some concern, beside growing skin cancer cases (especially in southern hemisphere areas of Australia and New Zealand), of it causing damage to animal and plant life, planet-wide.
Second, related to the magnetic field decline, the earth would gradually lose its current level of shielding from the solar wind. This, in turn would appear to cause an increase of nitrogen oxide in the upper atmosphere, especially during proton-heavy coronal mass ejections. This leads to the same effect as is theorized for CRC's -- ozone depletion.
Problem example: Outside on sunny day, clouds move over your location -- it is virtually guaranteed, that the temperature will go down. On the other hand -- on a fully overcast day, we are warned that UV radiation is nearly as intense as on a sunny day. Supposedly UV radiation is much better at penetrating cloud cover.
Seems like decrease of magnetic field --> leads to decrease ozone layer protection --> leads to increase of higher energy photons (that tends to stunt plant growth and thereby slow down the CO2->O2 cycle) hitting the earth's surface.
I don't know the full effects of increased higher-energy photon radiation hitting earth's surface would be, but it seems like most would be converted to lower-energy IR upon hitting the ground. I.e. -- it should, cause some rise in temperature. Whether or not it is significant, I can't say, but I don't believe it to be inconsequential.
I'm sure that CO2 has some effect on global warming, but there are other factors in play here that may be as much as or of greater effect than man's CO2 output. I sometimes wonder -- with just all the *heat* output produced by "mankind" (even in summer we are running our heat pumps, to make our inside spaces cooler). Might that not have some added effect?
There is nothing but a bad understanding of Maya calendarics to coincide
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People get paid for spreading IPCC man-made climate change FUD.
If there were anybody paying for discounting and debunking
pseudoscientific fear-mongering I'd like to know because I
would love to be doing the right thing _and_ getting paid
for it at the same time.
So where he might not get paid he might get laid more often.
Spreading lies for a salary or speaking the truth and feeling
good about what you're doing, it's a personality thing, you know.
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What you people don't understand is it is damn cold up here in the north. We need solar warming to reduce our winter heating load. That in turn will cut pollution which will cut global CO2 product. It will also extend our growing season. Global warming is good. Repeat that ten times...
"Anyone familiar with the Mayan Calendar? December 21, 2012 (13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan Calendar) Coincidence?"
The Mayan calendar runs on IPv5?
Ceci n'est pas un sig.
What could be the impact on storage ? Should I expect restoring from DVDs (BlueRays/HDDVDs) in 2012 :-) ?
Lets assume that the atmosphere becomes transparent to UV and the UV albedo is zero. Now the fraction of the sunlight hitting the earth is 56.5%. So the temperature will increase by about the 1/4 power of 56.5/55.5 which is 0.45%. Multiply by the average temperature of the earth (about 275K) and you get 1.2C.
That's definitely not inconsequential. It's also definitely not what's happening. (Sorry to get your hopes up) That's because the ozone hole only covers a small fraction of the lighted area of the earth and even under the hole the atmosphere isn't UV transparent. Looking around at some resources I see that at its worst, atmospheric transmission between 2000 and 2500 angstroms increased by 5%. So the absorbed flux didn't go from 55.5% to 56.5%, it went from 55.5% to 55.54%. Unfortunately that only translates to a mere 0.05C, which is inconsequential.
I won't repeat the calculation for man's power usage. Let's just say 0.04% of the sunlight hitting the earth is enormous compared to how much power people use.
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Uh, the global warming deniers are running rampant. This might make for some nice Northern Lights. (I miss Fairbanks) Maybe we will see some Northern Lights here in TN
Cultivation of livestock? Just how deep does one plant a cow anyway? ;)
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I am left to wonder if increases in charged particles could result in increases in cloud formation and thus affect the climate via things such as IR reflection issues.
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I am not a banner waving advocate of either camp on the GW/CO2 issue at this time. This should not to be taken to mean that I am disinterested in the related issues or possible consequences.
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