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Re:Slashdotted after 3 comments
Personally, I prefer VirtualBox. It has all the features you expect of a professional VM (rootless desktop, 3D acceleration, drive passthrough, etc.) but is available for the low-low price of $0.
The situation looks a bit different if you're going to use it for business purposes, but for home use there is no better option than VirtualBox.
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Re:Too bad..
As of 2.0.2 release there was no support for SMP. Possible in the future though: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=1176
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If it really itches...
Download a free XP vmware image from the ususal places and run it on Vbox http://www.virtualbox.org/ under Linux - should work...
Aren't they (M$oft) asking for it?
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Re:Problems with Chrom in the x64 version
The virtualbox additions do not work well yet.
I had to mask the programs as Windows Vista to even install and when I tried to reboot, I am stuck with a screen telling me that windows is starting (until it times out and shuts down.)
I am not saying that is window 7's fault since the drivers are not made for it. This is more a heads up to anyone trying.
Of course, others have had better luck
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Re:Try before you buy
VirtualBox. They even added (experimental) hardware video acceleration to the latest release.
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Re:Zzzzzz
How about OpenSolaris for Christ's sake?
I'd add VirtualBox (virtualization software for Windows, OS X, Linux, and Solaris/OpenSolaris) as another Sun free and open source product that's more deserving than at least a few of the products mentioned in TFA. Version 2.1 now has OpenGL support, hardware support for Intel VT-x and AMD-V, 64-bit guests in 32-bit hosts, and other features/fixes.
Maybe TFAuthor has difficulty thinking anything from Sun can be "open source."
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Re:Zzzzzz
How about OpenSolaris for Christ's sake?
I'd add VirtualBox (virtualization software for Windows, OS X, Linux, and Solaris/OpenSolaris) as another Sun free and open source product that's more deserving than at least a few of the products mentioned in TFA. Version 2.1 now has OpenGL support, hardware support for Intel VT-x and AMD-V, 64-bit guests in 32-bit hosts, and other features/fixes.
Maybe TFAuthor has difficulty thinking anything from Sun can be "open source."
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Re:Good products
It's a known issue. Try to build world, or portsnap update and you are likely to see it. The bug was filed against 1.6 and was still reproducable with 2.0.6. I can't produce it on 2.1, because now my FreeBSD VM aborts during the boot process (as in, the VM aborts, not the OS - the window disappears and the VirtualBox GUI reports the VM state as 'aborted'). This is with an OS X (Core 2 Duo) host, but the eflags bug has also been reproduced on Linux.
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Re:Good products
VirtualBox can have the same kind of new kernel issues as VMWare. I went over tracking one of those down my blog (and this month went over working around the limitations in VirtualBox that prevent you from cloning a snapshot image).
I've found the stuff that VirtualBox has issues with straighforward to work around for the usual reason that makes open-source software easier to cope with: when I do run into a bug or limitation, it's sometimes possible to poke at the source code to figure out what's going on. In that snapshot cloning case, a quick read of CloneToImage and its associated code gave me a decent idea what was going on. That's why I run it instead of VMWare player: given anything close to feature parity, I'll take a slightly buggy program I can see the source code to over one that's closed.
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Re:TFM in Context
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Virtualization
Check this out, it is not a emulator.
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VirtualBox
Not sure why this wasn't mentioned.
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Re:doesn't sound too secure yet
This is not a good thing: by definition x86 code is not portable across platforms.
I think the article/download site may disagree with you, and I believe that VMWare and VirtualBox would also disagree.
FTA...
"1. Download the Native Client distribution for your development platform: Linux, Mac, or Windows."
Secure or not, it goes against the main founding principle of the web, which is portability.
How is this going against the principles? Having the same code, run on multiple platforms I would have sworn is the definition of portability...
All this is, is virtualization ported to the browsers - why wouldn't this be a good/cool thing?
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Re:Remote desktop
This won't solve everything, but as a tip to other readers who aren't having this many problems, using "ssh -XC" can greatly help over slow links. The capital C turns on compression. Ages ago, SSHing from work to home (home is DSL, 256k up), launching Bluefish dropped from 30 seconds to 10.
Alternately, if the performance of the Linux box isn't especially crucial, maybe the solution to all your problems is to RDC to a Windows box running Linux in a VM.
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Re:Another thought.I second that! Been using it on my Linux laptop for over a year to have an XP machine available for the few Windows only apps that I can't avoid.
Even the closed source version (added USB support?) is available for free to anyone who is willing to install it themselves. From the licensing FAQ;Personal use is when you install the product on one or more PCs yourself and you make use of it (or even your friend, sister and grandmother). It doesn't matter whether you just use it for fun or run your multi-million euro business with it. Also, if you install it on your work PC at some large company, this is still personal use.
I like those terms;-)
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Another thought.
Since it's a dev environment, check out Virtual box.
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Re:Strategy
The post above has already highlighted some advantages, so this is just to point out how easy it is to try out.
Just download the OpenSolaris ISO (the last one was 2008.05, with 2008.11 imminent): OpenSolaris
If you're a little masochistic, try running it as a live CD.
A better way is to download VirtualBox (another Sun open-source product, although there is a more-complete non-open-source version that is also free (of charge)): VirtualBox
Just install OpenSolaris as a guest OS and try it - no need to re-partition or dual-boot, and no problems with unsupported PC hardware either.Of course, you'll be limited in your ability to try out some of its more advanced features with this approach, but for just trying it out and kicking the tyres a bit, it's very simple.
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Re:Ok, but only because you asked.
Dual boot is for people with commitment issues. It's not worth the hassle, nor the Doubt of knowing if the second install is going to hash the first. If you need both, buy another PC or install one in a VM. It's not like a good Linux box costs more than $220 and virtualbox is free.
But pen boot is cool. The version of Ubuntu that does it is only a couple days old. I haven't tried it yet. Maybe tomorrow. I'm pretty hot about it. I pen boot Clonezilla at work a couple hundred times a day. It's slick.
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My ExperienceI would like to add my 0.02. I installed Ubuntu 8.10 about a month ago due to getting a new pc with an intel ich - 10 (or whatever) chipset where hardy (the great stable one) wouldn't recognise my hard drive (pain in the arse).
So I installed intrepid and in the beginning there were constant application crashes, nvidia issues, then my wireless card stopped working and I couldn't even compile serialmonkey's drivers!
But now I am siting pretty, new vlc, new gnome, new gimp, open office 3.0 (from a ppa repo), new deluge ... its all great. Nvidia drivers work flawlessly and I even got 2 screens working (a 22 inch samsung and a CRT TV) without manually editting xorg.conf!! (amazing!). Virtualbox runs in seamless mode so I can use the few windows apps I can't live without (mostly for Uni) and ... its really great!So in conclusion, if you want the latest and greatest free software then I highly recommend that you try Ubuntu 8.10, it works fabulously for me. If you want a super stable free software OS then use 8.04.1.
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Re:Still no VM host...
Wake me when you can run VMware or VirtualBox under BSD. Until then, it's useless to me.
The source is available for VirtualBox's "OSE" version. If someone felt so inclined, they could port the *BSD-specific bits to work. I'm assuming the major work would be in the kernel module, but if you want it done badly enough, you could do it.
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Re:Stupid
Not bad, if you have Windows and IE. Does browser ID-spoofing work?
No, but this does the trick.
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Already a well-supported guest on VirtualBox
Although I appreciate that I'm likely missing the point, isn't the fact that OS/2 already well supported on VirtualBox good enough? Isn't it sufficient for your application needs to run it as a guest on a Linux or Windows host?
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Re:Lenovo disappointments
VirtualBox runs nicely on MacBooks. (Posted Anon since I've already moderated the hell out of this thread.)
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Re:what do you expect?
As far as I understood it, VirtualBox does support USB in the binary distribution you can download here. VirtualBox's "Open Source Edition (OSE)" doesn't support USB, see here. But if you're running VMWare Player (a closed-source product) anyway, the non-Free/Open aspect of it must not be a hangup for you (nor is it for me). So what's your holdup for running the "closed" distribution of VirtualBox. You'd have USB and, unlike VMware Player, could actually create new virtual machines.
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Re:what do you expect?
As far as I understood it, VirtualBox does support USB in the binary distribution you can download here. VirtualBox's "Open Source Edition (OSE)" doesn't support USB, see here. But if you're running VMWare Player (a closed-source product) anyway, the non-Free/Open aspect of it must not be a hangup for you (nor is it for me). So what's your holdup for running the "closed" distribution of VirtualBox. You'd have USB and, unlike VMware Player, could actually create new virtual machines.
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Re:Sony Hater
I rip the whole disc to the HDD via AnyDVD HD in a Windows XP VirtualBox envrionment.
I then just delete all files (.m2ts or what-have-you) except the largest file (generally 20GB or so) and play in an SVN build of Mplayer.
All is well on my end. AnyDVD HD can take every disc I've thrown at it so far.
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Re:Binaries not Free
If I'm not mistaken, the source you are provided does not provide every feature found in the pre-built binaries. See http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions#Closed-sourcefeatures for more details.
So you're not just paying for the convenience of having somebody compile it for you...
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Re:Binaries not Free
From the Virtual Box Licensing FAQ
Personal use is when you install the product on one or more PCs yourself and you make use of it (or even your friend, sister and grandmother). It doesn't matter whether you just use it for fun or run your multi-million euro business with it. Also, if you install it on your work PC at some large company, this is still personal use. However, if you are an administrator and want to deploy it to the 500 desktops in your company, this would not qualify as personal use. Well, you could ask each of your 500 employees to install VirtualBox but don't you think we deserve some money in this case? We'd even assist you with any issue you might have.
So you can use it personally in a corporation for O/S testing, image development and more! Seems pretty fair to me.
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Re:Binaries not Free
This is not quite correct - in the FAQ they state that you can use it on work machines and still have it count as personal use (even if it is used for buisiness purposes). However, if you make an install image and roll out to 1000 users, that would count as an enterprise install. See Virtual Box FAQ, point 6.
Overall, I think this is quite a fair license and restriction.
Cheers
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VMware still wins.
VirtualBox's greatest failing is that in using QEMU's I/O and networking code, they've made it a royal pain to set up bridged-mode networking on Linux hosts. You get to write two scripts, to add and remove a TAP device from a host-side bridge, and get to set up said bridge on the host yourself. Not only this, since the 2.6.18 kernel you need to run VirtualBox VMs as root (or set up sudo with
/etc/sudoers not to prompt for a password and use it within your scripts), because only the superuser can manipulate the TAP/TUN devices; chmodding them writable by a particular privileged group is insufficient.Compare to VMware, which handles all the bridging etc. by itself—much more convenient to use.
Then there are VirtualBox's "Guru meditations", obscure ERROR_MESSAGES_THAT_LOOK_LIKE_THIS and provide minimal information, often requiring perusal of the source code to figure out what's wrong. This is entirely unsuitable for end users as well as people whose time is valuable.
Finally, I tend to run a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace. VirtualBox does not support this combination—it's either 32-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace or 64-bit kernel with 64-bit userspace. (VMware on the other hand does support 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace; its failing is that [as far as I know] there is no non-beta 64-bit userspace for VMware yet, though this will change with the release of VMware Server 2.0 and VMware Workstation 6.5.) This is only really a problem on Debian and Debian-derived distributions like Ubuntu, whose package manager (dpkg) is too incompetent to handle multiarch properly, despite work ongoing for about four years now, so the user has to set up a 64-bit chroot environment. (Fedora, RHEL and CentOS get this right; rpm can handle multiarch properly, so it's only a matter of installing the appropriate libraries there.)
VMware also supports 64-bit guests on certain processors. VirtualBox doesn't support 64-bit guests at all.
So in my view, between the two, VMware still wins, open source or no open source.
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Re:VirtualBox?
VirtualBox has some issues with FreeBSD.
I tried to install a recent release of FreeBSD which ended up in frequent hangs related to the network adapter.
Changing the network adapter type seems to fix the problem.
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KDE
I binded my Winkeys for K's Start Menu in the past, but it caused problems with VirtualBox with Windows XP Pro. SP2 guest. KDE and it fought. One time, it made my X not respond correctly. Killing failed to fix it. I had to reboot Linux/Debian.
:(I had no problems with VMware Workstation v5 with Windows 2000 SP4 guest.
Has anyone had this problem before or know how to fix it?
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Re:I'm sure I'm not the only one
Or better, use VMware, VirtualBox, dual boot, etc. Clean and easier to maintain.
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Re:What about the small unique apps?
If it ran under Win98 you will probably get decent performance out of a virtualized Win98 in VirtualBox.
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Re:GPL zfs
Their big mistake has been ignoring commodity hardware
Not really sure what you mean here. I was rather surprised when I decided to do some Solaris development that the primary focus has moved from Solaris/SPARC to Solaris/x86. Half the cool stuff in OpenSolaris is designed around the x86 platform.Similarly, the primary focus of the Java codebase is the x86 platform first, remaining platforms later.
Sun is also a massive seller of AMD64 and Intel Xeon based servers and workstations. Amazingly, Sun's prices have even come out of the stratosphere and are extremely competitive with other manufacturers like Dell.
Sun is even working to virtualize these "commodity platforms" with their surprisingly good OpenxVM project. I actually passed on a free copy of Parallels because Sun's VirtualBox was working so well for me.
I know Sun has the stigma of selling only overpriced iron, but the truth is that they're fairly well in tune with their customers and are working hard to provide them with the products and services they need. Along the way, the Open Source community is benefiting greatly.
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Re:As a proud supporter of open source:
From what I understand, you can do all of that stuff with VirtualBox (virtual machine), DOSBox (x86 emulator w/ DOS) and Wine (cross-platform implementation of the Windows API).
DOSBox takes care of basically every vintage game I've ever played and even though VirtualBox needs Windows installed in the virtual machine, it has a 'seamless' mode that allows you to have the Windows apps running 'outside' of the virtual machine. That's a sucky explanation and it'd be easier to explain if I had a pencil and paper.
Wine recently reached version 1.0 and, as I believe a sibling post pointed out, it should be able to run Photoshop perfectly well. The open source Windows project you mentioned, ReactOS, shares some of its code with Wine (which is how the two projects have managed to make some great advances in certain areas), so there's a nice little tie-in.
ReactOS is currently at about version 0.3.5, so we'll probably have to wait a while for a fully stable version to come out. The day it does will be a good day. A very good day. -
Re:Slightly offtopic questionLast time I checked, a virtual Windows under Linux couldn't access USB
/firewire devices. FWIW, the closed-source edition of VirtualBox can use USB devices. -
Re:Slightly offtopic question
The free (as in beer) version of VirtualBox can access USB devices. There's also a GPL'ed version, but it's missing that feature, among a few others.
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Re:I Spend Three Weeks..
Yeah that drove me nuts too, I though Ubuntu was a piece of shit but it turns out Virtual PC was the problem.
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Re:Desktop Linux
Hey, check into VirtualBox. Of all the desktop VM managers, it's my favorite. It's free, lightweight, and has more features than parallels or VMware, at least as far as I've seen.
I run XP in it on my linux desktop, and it's great. -
Re:I am not trying to obnoxious.Try http://www.virtualbox.org/, if you want free and open source virtualisation software. Yeah, and uses Intel VT-x or AMD-V processor extensions. Runs very fast on my Turion X2.
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Re:I am not trying to obnoxious.
Try http://www.virtualbox.org/, if you want free and open source virtualisation software.
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Alternative : LiveUSB
In addition to what other
/.ers said about WUBI, there's also the possibility to use Live USB distribution.
PenDrive Linux has a lot of resources about this kind of distributions.
I've been using their Quick and easy Pendrivelinux for quite some time.
You can buy commercial preinstalled ones from companies like Mandriva Flash.
It works to a very similar way to WUBI, but on a flash drive.
Essentially it puts 2* big files that contain the file system on the USB drive, and make the USB stick bootable using "syslinux". You start it by hitting F12 when the BIOS starts and choose to boot on the USB drive instead of your hard drive.
(whereas WUBI puts a big file with the partition /on the windows drive/ and adds a new entry to the Windows boot loader to make the system. So you boot you hard drive normally and then use Windows XP's boot menu to select Linux instead of WinXP).
So in that solution, your hard drive is virtually untouched (not that creating a file and adding an entry are *that* much big change) so it may please more the paranoid admins at your company.
Last-but-not-least there's also the running-Linux-inside-Virtualbox (or some other virtual machines that have native-speed performance) solution. It's a bit complicated, but has the benefit of letting you run your Linux apps along side the Windows desktop (with possibilities for native integration, either using a X-Window server for Win32, or using the virtual machine's client tools).
* - most Live USB solutions tend to use 2 files : one is a big read-only file containing the live system, the other is read-writeable and used to store and remember modification (newly installed software, upgrades, user settings, user's home, etc.) between session.
This is because most Live USB distribution are descendant of Live CD distribution (where the CD-Rom is read only and holds the live distro and a RAM-disk holds the modification, using a UNIONFS to bridge the 2 together).
The big advantage of this system is that in case of a big fuckup, you can still reboot using only the original live system (just like a LiveCD) and fix/rebuild/create a new read-write big file.
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Re:Updates? Ha!
Took out a student loan for mine
translation: sold my soul to Sallie Mae.
I'm joking, but just so I don't get sued for slander - it's an analogy for it seemed like a good deal at the time, but the deal doesn't seem so good in the long run (and I did exactly this - 3 years of use, paid for it over 10 years).
If I had an Intel Mac, I'd probably run the now Sun owned VirtualBox because it's GPL, and therefore no stealing required. The beta in mid-February still had some major open issues, however (broken USB, audio in, and virtualized networking), but I would hope it has progressed since then. -
Re:Vista is slower than XP even when XP is *Virtua
http://www.virtualbox.org/
Best VM control software I've used. Sun seems to agree as they just bought them out. -
Links
It would have been nice to have a link to Innotek and their product: VirtualBox. Which I am pretty sure is not associated with the dog training products that Google ranks at the top of its search.
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Re:Another issue is security (Or how to sell UbuntI showed Ubuntu to a non-computer literate friend the other day. He wants me to install it for him, which scare me a little bit, but I will probably do it. How did I sell it to him? I showed him Firefox and then told him there was no spyware, no viruses, no virus scanners, no spyware scanners...and he was sold instantly, because he is sick to death of that on Windows. For one thing, you should download several of the Ubuntu Screencasts and let him watch them. If you install Ubuntu for him, put a few there and optionally subscribe him to it in Miro. Those go over many things, such as installing applications, installing printers, playing video, etc. Very helpful for introducing someone to Ubuntu.
Something else is if he has a valid Windows license consider installing it in VirtualBox (Gutsy has a package). With seamless mode* the apps will appear on the desktop. This is a better option than Wine since it always works, and no tweaking.
*Two issues: 1) Seamless mode doesn't work correctly with Compiz. Windowed mode still works fine. 2) Ubuntu doesn't ship the Windows driver iso (licensing). That's needed for mouse integration, clipboard support, decent video, seamless mode, etc. The fix is easy, just download the iso and place it in "/usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso". -
Re:It's called a consensus opinion.still looking for a decent, free, VM server for Linuxy things and to use as a home for a XP install, just in case http://www.virtualbox.org/
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Re:Why does someone pay this guy?
More to the point: Why did the parent poster get a five when (s)he misses the main point by a million miles?
It's not "... just aren't rich enough to provide computers for their students". It is "...just aren't rich enough to provide books for their students".
Let me add to the chorus: It's an education project, not a computer project. The little green computers are just terminals to enable the kids to turn the information presented thereon into knowledge in their brains.
If J. Dvorak had the wit to be able to do so, he would have at least experimented with the software by downloading an emulator from http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads/ and the OLPC software from http://dev.laptop.org/pub/virtualbox/. The build OLPC-625.zip works for me. If J. Dvorak had actually installed it, he would have discovered that the said little green box is the work of a team of top level geniuses, instead he just confirms the fact that he is just an ignorant shill squeaking mindlessly for that (in)famous Harvard dropout.
Had he spent just a couple of hours doing that he would have discovered that Nicholas Negroponte et all really do deserve a Nobel Prize.
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What about VirtualBox?
Many people (myself included) would love nothing more than to move away from M$ products but, sadly, are trapped in them because of the applications we use.
There is a solution. Linux + (Windows inside VirtualBox).
Haven't tested it yet because I've come to hate windows so much that I don't want ANY of it installed in my system. But I've read a couple of VirtualBox reviews, and they're all positive. -
Re:Pretty bold.And if part of the 'bribe' is ifnorming Nigeria about all the software that -won't- run on Mandriva but will run on Windows? Maybe they've already GOT some of that software, and they don't want to have to spend money replacing it as well.
One of the unexpected bennies of going all Linux at our household was discovering that a bunch of Windows 3.1 and Dos software that no longer runs on modern Windows (games and educational) suddenly works again. The kids are delighted. JETPACK.EXE might not have 3D graphics, but the gameplay is great. For modern Windows software, I think you'll find that Virtual Box will run any XP software that wine doesn't handle. Or buy VMware and run just about anything that doesn't require high-performance video. Or buy win4lin (paravirtualized Windows for Linux) to run multi-media Windows software better than Windows.