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Wine is not under the GPL. It is under a permissive non-copyleft Free Software license. See here for details.

Yeah, it's a shameless plug, but there are some people interested in using Winamp's plugins in Linux. Well, that's the way to do it... Using Wine in Linux, Winamp uses even less cpu time than in Win 9x... Some of the plugins run just fine (see the screenshot for an example)

Cygwin isn't really an emulator. It is an implementation of the unix api on windows, in a windows dll. It's somewhat like wine (the windows api in unix), but the other way around.

This makes it possible to compile unix c source and link against this dll, to have the programs work on windows (almost) exactly as in unix.

So, you can have _any_ 'UNIX command line' you like. Just run the shell of your choice, compiled and linked in cygwin.

If you check the Linux Half-Life page you will find the HOWTO.

Full disclosure: I tried this once and I couldn't get it to work. However, I run a bleeding-edge Debian "unstable" system, and perhaps WINE was unstable that day. I plan to try this again soon.

By the way, Starcraft and other fun games run well under WINE. You can check the WINE app database to see if other people have had success running a particular game.

Good luck and happy gaming!

steveha

You can play Sorenson movies on Linux using the CrossOver plugin.

Granted, you have to pay for it (just $20 for the download version) but it is possible.
CrossOver will also let you use other plugins like Shockwave (also known as director!=flash) and the Word/Excel/Powerpoint viewers. Also you will have the satisfaction to have helped a company that contributes a lot to Wine (which is open-source).

You obviously have no grasp on the concept of Free Software.

It has nothing to do with getting software without paying for it. It has everything to do with being able to modify the source to fix bugs, extend functionality, etc. The software I posted a link to has source available here. The big difference is that Codeweavers, a major contributor to the Wine project, packaged it up nicely for me.

Hey, if you think programmers should work hard and not get paid, that's fine. That's your opinion, albeit childish. I'm a programmer at a Linux company and I like being able to eat. I pay for my Free Software and I get it packaged nicely, on a DVD, with books. Free Software developers end up getting paid this way, too.

I am totally convinced that you are either a troll, or less than 15 years old. Either way, people like you make the rest of us look like war3z fiends, which is not the case.

Can always use WINE instead.

This is the really sad part of the windows monopoly - Unix is far easier to program for than windows if you know what you're doing - and good programmers are drawn to the power of unix. The development tools are simply better thanks to Unix's long tradition of being the OS of the developers, by the developers, for the developers. But it's the problem that all platforms suffer from - "We'll build apps when people use it, we'll use it when there's software for it...."

I'm always amazed when I see kiosk-type systems (run only one specialized app) that are running Windows. I always wonder who in God's name approved paying for win2k licenses, win2k capable hardware, and windows development costs for a computer that only runs an app developed in-house.

There are two mailing lists, a developer's list and a very active user's mailing list. Users are encouraged to submit bug reports and requests for enhancement to the list, and we'll try to fix it as soon as possible.

There's a public CVS available so you can keep up with the latest version and somebody with write access will commit any good patches you submit.

This is a great project to get involved with, it's already in a usable state and it's actively worked on with new versions regulary released. I got involved because I wanted a Free alternative to Forte Agent (which works very well under Wine). Even if you can't program please use Pan and submit bug reports, any help is good.

The key and most critical difference being that it doesn't run win32 apps.

However, if you really want win32 apps, and in a cage even, try Win4Lin, although sometimes WINE is good enough.

Well there is long-lasting wine project that is capable of running windows apps. It has been developed for many years, but we're still far from running "most" windows apps on linux.

Here is a list from their "competitors" page:

• SolarMoon: site now blank
  
• Windows Replacement Project: I could not access their site
  
• Freedows: preliminary code no longer available
  
• ReactOS: preliminary code
  
• WinFree: dicontinued
  
• Wabi: sun's binary interface. site now registered by microsoft!
  
• AllOS: no longer interested in windows compatibility
  

There are also "alive" projects. One is twin, but it's slow. Another is odin which was former OS/2-WIN code. But I do not know much about that one.

'nuff said.

• quicktime for linux
• flash for linux
• Word for linux

Since it's a Netscape plugin, it will work with varying degrees of success with other browsers, like moz and konq. Remember, the Netscape plugin format is the one IE is abandoning, so there might not even be any plugins to use with CrossOver after a couple of years.

That said, it's pretty damn neat. And I can see why they're charging for it - it's kind of a way to get *any* windows plugin to work as native plugins would under Linux. Of course the functionality isn't perfect, but I can definitely see business customers being interested if they have a need for things like that. Could be the essential migration tool for some shop...

If you want a tight gaming OS i would not expect to find it on a PC, it would be way easier to target a console with fixed hardware and wide userbase of gamers. Transgaming + Wine + Linux + PS2 maybe?

3- And there is always WINE and its' DirectX and soon-to-come Direct3D support.

> ...but what about going to some more powerfuly software
> such as video editing, digital video production or audio editing
> and production - which is what i'm into myself.

If you've got high-end hardware and high-end video editing needs, and no Linux native applications fit the need, you might want to give Wine or VMWare a look. They are both very good at running Windows apps under Linux, and Wine at least is free.

Virg

I think there are a lot of Windows users out there that aren't afraid of the command prompt - some who even like it - but the Windows job market calls for Windows users in many areas. I know, not all areas, but up here in Wisconsin we don't see nearly as many Linux positions as NT/2000/UNIX (as far as I can tell).

Also, I don't think Windows users who are dabbling in Linux are necessarily looking for their hand to be held. I wasn't when I started the switch. However, they do need some help! Currently, most of the books out there aren't very good. Some only cover the GUI, which you don't need a book to learn. Others assume a bit too much about the reader, making it useless.

I think the best hope for a Windows -> Linux user is find a good Linux buddy or two, or find a that book that is a "diamond in the rough".

Oh yeah, and I think anyone who is interested in playing with Linux probably knows a little about their hardware settings. People who don't probably haven't heard of Linux anyway.

I'm waiting for WINE to be a little more stable, and I won't have a reason to use Windows anymore :) (except for Diablo II of course).

why don't you get started on a OpenWindows-3.1-project.

WINE is not an emulator. It's a compatibility layer that lets Win3.1 and Win32 apps run on BSD and Linux systems on x86 processors and X11 displays.

Then what the hell is it? An emulator?

Bochs is an emulator. TuxNES is an emulator. DGen is an emulator. SNES9x is an emulator. Transmeta's Crusoe uses Code Morphing, which is an emulator. But WINE is not an emulator but "an implementation of the Windows 3.x and Win32 APIs on top of X and Unix. Think of Wine as a Windows compatibility layer" for FreeBSD, Linux, and Solaris. It's also a complete Windows application server that uses thin clients called X11 terminals.

Wine's job is difficult because they have to reimplement the API - meaning rewrite all the Windows functions from scratch.

If there are any undocumented functions in Windows anymore, they are very likely obsolete functions that have since been replaced by something better. This doesn't help a project like Wine, which would like to run any software written for Windows - if there are older programs that make calls to obsolete functions, Wine somehow needs to know about these. Still, that in no way prevents you from writing competitive software for Windows.

I once argued with Jeremy Allison(lead Samba programmer) about this back when there was still an undocumented feature of Windows - single sign-on. Single sign-on was the only example Allison was able to give of undocumented functions. However, even this is now documented and anyone can write programs that use built in Windows authentication to authenticate their own programs.

Since that has been taken care of, I don't think there are any hidden functions in Windows. MS says there aren't and there are about 1,000 universities/companies who have the Windows source code who could come forth and refute this, but they haven't.

Consider using WINE . Nowadays, WINE really works for many applications.

Try the CodeWeavers release. CodeWeavers release packages WINE in a GUI installer-config application. It's easy to set up right first time.

Please, give it a try with that software. You will be nicely surprised.

I was.

• a modified version of the VirtuaDub DLLs
• their own proprietary software that dynamically links with the VirtuaDub DLLs

WINE runs 80% of Win32 apps. Check it out WineHQ

Most people I know who are thinking about switching to Linux always start by dual-booting between Windows and Linux. And since they're so used to doing things the Windows way, they more often than not continue to use Windows as opposed to using Linux, and therefore never learn the Linux apps. Since more often then not they wind up going back to Windows to do some important task (like, say, write a paper for a college course, balance a checkbook, what have you) they then often remain in Windows for the duration of the day since rebooting really is a pain. (Unless Windows crashes and forces them to reboot :))

Before someone suggests it, WINE is not the solution since using WINE is hardly intuitive (in Windows, you double-click on the executable - being forced to wine --managed /mnt/winC/Program\ Files/Microsoft\ Office\word.exe in a terminal is not intuitive - unless the various File Browser programs can run Windows apps out-of-the-box via WINE).

If, on the other hand, you could use these free software alternatives in Windows, you could then try them out while running in Windows. You could learn them while keeping those applications you Absolutely Need. I think this could help people learn what they'd need to know in order to use the Linux desktops. They might be starting out on Windows, but when they learn all that apps they need to do their daily work, and eventually learn enough to just switch into Linux full-time.

Helps if you actually read the article/press release. IBM isn't releasing any client software for Linux--just Notes/Domino Server, WebSphere and DB2.

Unfortunately, IBM/Lotus dropped support for Solaris with the 5.x series of the Notes client, so it is unlikely that they will now port to Linux. Anyway, I have the 5.04 Notes client running quite well under Linux with WINE. It's pretty feature-complete--the only problem I have at this point is launching URL's, since it tries to launch either IE, or a Windows version fo Netscape. A "real" ported client would be great (even better performance and integrated/launchable web browser), but I'm pretty happy with what I have right now...

I am, for one, a gamer who runs Linux on my desktop. I hate running Windoze for games because the networking downright sucks. I have to lug my Windoze box to the LAN parties because I just don't have any of the games for my Linux box. I went out and bought QIII for Windoze as soon as it was on the shelf, figuring that I would play it until the Linux version came available for download. They then made a statement on their website stating that the Linux binary would not be available for download for the Windoze version of the program. That got me so mad I haven't played the game but twice since then, have since become hooked on Unreal Tourney, and haven't looked back. Many of the games I really play with have linux based servers, which is nice. I just want to be able to play Unreal Tourney on my Linux box. As well as Need For Speed 5. I would go out and buy both of these in a heartbeat if I saw them available for Linux.

I am playing with the latest versions of Wine and Trans-Gaming's version of wine. Haven't been playing with it too long, but it sounds like that would be a great solution for many of these problems. I will keep evaluating Wine and, until it works for my games, will keep running Windoze on one workstation just for my games.

It specifically says that the code is generated based on the hardware in your system. Unless you swapped out hardware as part of your format-and-reinstall

What if the format-and-reinstall was because you swapped out hardware? What if you are installing Windows onto the new hard drive you just bought? Luckily, there's a better way: Generic Windows. It's Wine running on top of Linux or BSD. And as long as developers continue to support Windows 9x, Wine will be fine.

Actually with WINE you can. It's similar to the old win32 stuff we used to see on Win3.11. Check out WineHQ for more info.

I'd love to see more of my fave games released for Linux, esp. Half Life.

The Linux Half-Life HOWTO will show you how to play Half-Life flawlessly using WINE. Now, if only I could get my graphics libraries in order under Debian, perhaps I could actually get their WINE package to work and actually play Half-Life, which I bought on Saturday!

But...

If you're not running Linux, you should be able to build Wine on your platform. As far as I know, Wine will properly do international fonts & formatting if the copy of Windows installed on the box is configured properly.

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azeem

www.winehq.com
has a database of what applications have been tested and what results they got.


The Tick - "Spoon!"

NEO - "There is no spoon."

www.winehq.com
has a database of what applications have been tested and what results they got.


The Tick - "Spoon!"

NEO - "There is no spoon."

The client works fine for the most part using wine. (Running wine 20001222 and firstclass 5.623)

The client works fine for the most part using wine. (Running wine 20001222 and firstclass 5.623)

Did you know IE comes standard on an Ipaq?

I guess the reason that they do not want to use IE on iPaq-Linux is because it has to be pretty hard to run WINE with it!

Well, if it can run, it will look like this.

Have a nice Week-end!

At 7:49 pm EST I cannot browse or ping www.winehq.com, the WINE project's Corel-hosted webserver.

Coincidence...? Or has Corel just pulled the plug?

Corel was a major contributor to the WINE project. It was a good business plan when they had applications to port to Linux (WordPerfect, etc.) but now that they're splitting the linux group from the applications, the business case to continue development (and certainly the resource availability) is severely diminished.

My e-mail app just started running on WINE, and now I see no reason to run Windows at all. I suspect many others are realizing the same thing. What would WordPerfect for Linux do to the demand for Word for Linux? Somebody tell me there's no conspiracy.

Cocoa, on the other hand.. cocoa/nextstep is being reimplemented for UNIXlike operating systems in a project called "GNUStep". Go look for it. Large parts of the API are already finished, but it's still buggy and unstable. However, even if this is finished, these will still be simply libraries-- not really anything like Wine. So you'd still need a recompile. Meaning MS would have to purposefully decide to *use* the gnustep libraries *to* port to linux/bsd, something that would be simple to do but which they woud be highly unlikely to do even were the gnustep libraries usable and complete. It would be technically possible for all this to happen, but i don't see it happening unless the GNUStep people make big strides very quickly and the justice department opensources MSOffice (ha!)

• What ?
  The cantonal government said police reinforcements would be drafted in from all Swiss cantons and neighbouring Liechtenstein for "the biggest challenge" faced by Graubünden police since the force was founded in 1804.
• To which exremity ?
  Local authorities said in a statement released on Wednesday that it would not be possible to seal off Davos.
  Instead, attempts will be made to speak to demonstrators who have threatened to launch protests during the five-day summit, which brings together leading political and business leaders from around the world.
• Why ?
  The cantonal government has already rejected permission for a demonstration by anti-globalisation protestors during the summit.
• Why (2) ?
  Unauthorised protests turned violent last year when President Clinton visited the summit. The demonstrators were, however, prevented from reaching the congress centre where the summit is held.
  The local authorities said the increased police presence was justified by the violent demonstrations during the summit last year, as well as disruption at other international economic meetings over the past year.
• How much ?
  The federal government will pay 80 per cent of the policing costs.
• Conclusion ?
  Sorry, this sound like a good way to protect Davos'inhabitants quietness. They even say who'll pay for this and why they prefer avoiding this as they don't want a similar anterior event to occur again.
  I say "Bravo!"

• Alexandre Julliard directs the Wine Project
• Velcro ("Hook-and-loop fastener", 1948, G. de Mestral)
• High-temperature super-conductors (1986, J. Georg Bednorz - German and Karl A. Muller - Swiss )
• Euler
• Bernouilli
• Jean-Jacques Rousseau
• Paracelsus
• Horace Benedict de Saussure
• Le Corbusier
• Henri Dunant, founder of the Red Cross
• Carl Gustav Jung

.deb files can be found at http://www.winehq.com/~ovek/ The libwine-dev is older because that hasn't been changed in a little bit.

.rpm files can be found at http://wine.dataparty.no/

Have fun!

Try the iBiblio archive for the latest Wine source releases. If you really want binary builds, check out WineHQ. They have a page with a list of different packages linked off the main page.
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First, a big thank you for making Plex86 possible.

Now the question...

One thing that I find cumbersome with VMWare and Win4Lin (and the plex86 screenshot that I saw) is that you have to display the entire Windows9x desktop to run even a single application.

Even back in the days of OS/2 2.1, they had a way of displaying Windows application along with OS/2 applications in the same (OS/2) desktop. They did this with a special Windows video-driver which would "burn a hole" in the OS/2 desktop to reveal applications running on the Windows desktop "running behind" the OS/2 desktop.

Here is an example of a Win32 application running inside the OS/2 desktop, and another example. It's sorta like running Exceed (or WinXfree86) and having an X application display over your Windows desktop.

What I'm talking about is (IMO) different than running a Windows application through WINE, because (with plex86) the Windows application is running inside a (logically separate) virtualized machine.

Would you consider offering such a feature, or at least an I/O hook in plex86 so that it could happen?

Thanks

Hotmail has finally limited it's number of blocked addresses and Yahoo will likely do the same thing soon. You got Wine to work with Outlook? oh right, Win9X/2K/etc. :{)

If you don't want that happening, please support the GCC/MingW/CygWin, ReactOS and WinE open source projects.

• Install your favorite Linux distribution (I used Red Hat Linux 7 + fixes)
• Install KDE 2.0 (download RPMs)
• Install autologin so they don't need to handle users and permissions
• Install StarOffice - anyone who has used M$ office before can learn to use it quickly, they're not that different UI-wise
• Create a link to StarOffice on the desktop
• Install wine and set up binfmt_misc to execute .exe files out of the box for some Windows applications they want to use

• Lack of Productivity Software: What exactly are you missing? StarOffice is at least as good as Word for normal use, KMail is at least as good as Outlook (and not vulnerable to VBS viruses)
• Lack of fonts: Linux can use the exact same TrueType fonts Windows can use. At least any modern distribution can. XFree86 4.0 has TrueType support by default, Red Hat and Mandrake (and probably others) have shipped patched XFree86 3.x servers to handle TrueType fonts before that, SuSE has shipped xfstt (an alternate TrueType fontserver).
• Lack of popular games: There are currently more Windoze games than Linux games, yes. But a lot of very good games ARE available for Linux. For the others, there's always wine and dual boot.
• Lack of drive support: Such as??? I've never had a problem with my drives on Linux
• No easy way of doing things: What's hard about KDE 2.0? And what functionality do beginners need that KDE 2.0 doesn't provide?

• They can't mess up their system anymore (thanks to the fact that, unlinke Windows 9x, you don't work as root all the time in Linux)
• Stability. No more bluescreens.
• Much better net access (Last time I checked, Windoze couldn't share an ISDN connection between 2 computers. Did they fix this in ME?)
• Easy way to get things fixed up - if they have a problem, I can just ssh in and fix it. Show me a way to do that with Windows without spending a lot of money on extra software.
• It's free as in $0 - no need to waste money on buying updates to the OS and Office suite

unless you think microsoft might port it's window's APIs

This, in a thread whose subject is one letter away from WINE? The WINE project has been creating a free reference implementation of WinAPI that will be very useful for creating .NET class libraries.

Wine plus an x86 VM where needed.

(Well, not that it will happen in many places, but you did ask!)

You need to copy the registry entries and maps from a windows install over to wine. Without windows, theres no IE on wine.
Even when you do get it running, there are serious bugs. Go do some research or better yet try it yourself.
The WINE developers have done an excellent job but there is still no substitute for 100% native applications, especially in something as heavily used as your web browser.
Trust me, if an IE/Linux port would be anything like the Solaris port you don't want it.

Any project started within the last 3 months may be potentially vulnerable to a legal Denial of Service attack, yes.

I refuse, however, to believe that there's a Court of Law in the world that's bone-headed enough to believe that project X, running for Y years and fully documented in that time as an open project (cf WINE), has benefited from the unrelated, unadvertised and recent breaking out of MS source code.

Come on.. Doom-saying is all fun and games, but please do try and stay within the bounds of reality...

But who are the competitors?

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Another interesting tid-bit in the latest changes report is support for Red Hat 7's GCC "v2.96." It seems that previously, RH7's compiler taken from the developers CVS had some problems with correctly creating WINE binary.