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I find it a little disappointing that they couldn't fix bug #6971. That's a vast quantity of games that are unplayable because they won't warp the mouse from one side of the screen to another when it hits the edge. They won't even mark it as a high severity bug, even though it meets the qualifications (makes many applications unusable), it's one of the most duplicated bugs, and it's one of the most highly voted bugs.

it's just me or wine http://winehq.org/ and firefox http://www.firefox.com/ websites aren't loading??
Strange coincidence :)

So, if the source isn't available, we wine!

Team Fortress 2 is Gold rated and Half-Life 2 is Platinum rated (higher than gold) So running them on OS X shouldn't be a challenge. I might test them out on cider one of these days. The only issue is that (at least for cedega) transgaming uses an older wine build for cedega; i have no clue what build they use for cider.

Team Fortress 2 is Gold rated and Half-Life 2 is Platinum rated (higher than gold) So running them on OS X shouldn't be a challenge. I might test them out on cider one of these days. The only issue is that (at least for cedega) transgaming uses an older wine build for cedega; i have no clue what build they use for cider.

According to AppDB it has a platinum rating, which I would assume means it runs fairly well. Haven't tried it myself though.

Yes, that's the great thing about X - even if your software crashes X, the Unix underneath keeps running quite happily. So even though it's just lost all your work and everything you're doing, it hasn't crashed the SYSTEM. So that's all right then!

(Last night I crashed X by running the Wine 1.0rc conformance tests. Aieee.)

Wine 1.0 is not really going to be the messiah you are suggesting... wine 1.0 will be compatible 4 apps. Photoshop (as you said) but three MSOffice document viewers-not the Office suite, just the viewers.

For those wondering where the latest data is: in http://test.winehq.org, click on the "Last Modified" column twice, that will bring the latest data to the top.

Thanks to everyone who submitted data so far! We have enough reports for XP now, but any other version of Windows would be handy.

Be sure to run this again when wine-1.0-rc3 comes out next week.

Cheers,

Jeremy

For those wondering where the latest data is: in http://test.winehq.org, click on the "Last Modified" column twice, that will bring the latest data to the top.

Thanks to everyone who submitted data so far! We have enough reports for XP now, but any other version of Windows would be handy.

Be sure to run this again when wine-1.0-rc3 comes out next week.

Cheers,

Jeremy

For those wondering where the latest data is: in http://test.winehq.org, click on the "Last Modified" column twice, that will bring the latest data to the top.

Thanks to everyone who submitted data so far! We have enough reports for XP now, but any other version of Windows would be handy.

Be sure to run this again when wine-1.0-rc3 comes out next week.

Cheers,

Jeremy

http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1942 nope, sorry to ruin your evening. However, Sims 2 has a Mac OS X version, and with a little help You can run it on your PC. I was first a linux user, and when I studied up on the bsd backend of OS X, I became interested. OS X comes with X11, so you can compile most unix(ala linux included) apps on OS X. Anyway, hope this sortof helps

Look at http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/paulm/WRT/CrossBuilt/. See the the exe at the bottom. That's the latest one and the one I have linked to. Also, if you sort http://test.winehq.org/data/ to the "last modified" parameter, this one ends on top. Conclusive proof I reckon.

Nice link.. however... How do I know that's the latest build? Up top there is a link to go to the "Next Build" and it takes me to a new glob of numbers. How do we know we aren't giving them old data?

I mean, if you keep going, the last one that has a meaningful date in it is: http://test.winehq.org/data/200805201000/ from 4 days ago, I'm assuming.

If you have a Windows installation

Go to this page : http://test.winehq.org/data/3c1c6172779510a7ed693d922fb3061948999ea1/

Click on the big alphanumerical hyperlink and download the exe.

Give an alias and run it.

This will do conformance tests on your computer and it is very important to the wine project.

Don't try to do anything usefull while testing since it will do a wide range of things including directX tests which will make your screen display colorfields.

If you get errors or crashes, just click on OK or close. This is part of the testing. I'm sure the people working on the wine project will be very happy with it.

Appdb Analysis:

Garbage
(but close to a working version)

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4494

I see this a hopeful. We aren't there yet, but I am confident that this will work in a not too large timespan.

http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/2005-January/016730.html Just limit wine to your ~/.wine/drive_c folder so. Should you catch a windows virus, it can't do anymore harm then messing up that one folder. I've purposefully tried to get my wine directory owned before - wine is getting pretty good, 'cuz I succeeded(ish) :D Don't know about fixing that kind of thing with some AV, I just deleted the folder and copied everything from backups, as one usually would with a VM.

1. Valve releases a Linux version of the Source engine
2. These two bugs are fixed in Wine.

1. Valve releases a Linux version of the Source engine
2. These two bugs are fixed in Wine.

Linux runs WinE and VMWare
WinE and VMWare let you run Windows Apps*
Therefore, Linux can run Windows Apps.
QED.

What was the problem, again?

*obviously, not ALL of them, but the typical ones you mentioned are supported.

You kid, but just about any significant bug is getting deferred. So yes, you might just have to wait until 1.2.0 before it's usable.

6971 was scheduled for 1.0, but they pushed it back to 1.2.0. It meets the requirements for a "Major" severity bug (Major loss of functionality for a wide range of applications), but they still have it classed as normal. It has more votes than any other bug on the bug tracker, save one bug that only affects Starcraft. Bug 6971 affects dozens of games that use dinput.

Fixing this one bug could make dozens of games usable in one fell swoop. It would be silly to release a 1.0 without fixing this bug.

Photoshop CS2 is usable in Linux now.
I still have a windows partition on my home computer , but I find myself really only using it for games. At work all our dev boxes are linux.

Remember when the biggest issue with Linux was the lack of drivers? Lack of applications is the next challenge, one that is getting closer to being solved all the time.

Alright guys, this release is 15 years in coming. I'm not aware of any other free software project that's taken 15 years to get to 1.0.

We know we've got some core architecture just right. That's taken a long time to get there. Now we have a lot of bug squashing to do and in many cases it's pretty amazing how quickly regressions can be found, bugs tracked, etc if we just have a few more eyes on this release.

So we put together a list of things you can do to help us out - check it out here:
1.0 regression hunting. And hey! We're giving out t-shirts to the folks who help us out the most.

Notice we didn't say anything about jumping in and writing code? You're certainly welcome to, and in some cases there might even be some low hanging fruit. However, without development experience on Wine's codebase your valuable time might best be spent regression testing your favorite game!

As always, thanks for all the support!

Just look at the list of applications supported by Wine and you'll understand why I say that. Basically, if I can run Civ IV, Heroes IV and other strategy games on Linux, and with Matlab having a Linux version, there's very little to justify my using Windows. OK, there's Fruityloops, but that's it!

Wine is nowhere near finished. I was recently pointed to Wine's API stats, where the current state of the API implementation is stated. They are currently at 63% of the targeted Windows APIs.

That said, quite a few apps are already working without problems in Wine. In order to be able to do a 1.0-release, they have selected a few (major) apps that have to be running flawlessly. I can't find a link for it now, but it's somewhat like:

- Adobe Photoshop CS2 (or CS4?)
- MS Office 2007 document viewers
- Google Picasa

That's a somewhat arbitrary list, and doesn't say anything about the 9765 application that are listed in the AppDB, many of which work without problems. I think the 1.0 release does not constitute a milestone in and of itself, but it may help to expand its userbase, and hopefully we'll start to see a more dependable release cycle than just the bi-weekly "snapshot" release they have been doing.

Wine is nowhere near finished. I was recently pointed to Wine's API stats, where the current state of the API implementation is stated. They are currently at 63% of the targeted Windows APIs.

That said, quite a few apps are already working without problems in Wine. In order to be able to do a 1.0-release, they have selected a few (major) apps that have to be running flawlessly. I can't find a link for it now, but it's somewhat like:

- Adobe Photoshop CS2 (or CS4?)
- MS Office 2007 document viewers
- Google Picasa

That's a somewhat arbitrary list, and doesn't say anything about the 9765 application that are listed in the AppDB, many of which work without problems. I think the 1.0 release does not constitute a milestone in and of itself, but it may help to expand its userbase, and hopefully we'll start to see a more dependable release cycle than just the bi-weekly "snapshot" release they have been doing.

Actually they do say, what's their target for wine 1.0:
http://wiki.winehq.org/WineReleaseCriteria

I mean, I've been running Windows software under WINE for *years*. What's their definition of "1.0"? Does it really mean anything, or will we be getting 1.0.1, 1.0.2, etc monthly afterwards anyway just like before? Or is 1.0 some "complete feature set" release, suggesting that I can now run any windows software (I doubt that's true, considering that even MS Office is still a bit shaky).

http://www.winehq.org/?announce=1.0-rc1 pretty much has a list of bugfixes&features, just like any other release. Where's the beef in "1.0"?

Sounds like it's worth a try. Unfortunately, it apparently does not currently work under Wine. In fact, there is a specific bug for exactly that...not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but at least it appears to be a) known, and b) on the list of bugs to fix for 1.0 :-)

Dan Aris

That question doesn't strike me as particularly trollish, so I'll do my best at answering with my reasons.

Firstly, this page here http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11329 says that WoW will run just fine in OpenGL mode, so if that's your only main constraint, you're good for home.

Now as to why you'd want to. I have always seen one of the major advantages in the Linux way of doing things as being the system of packaging. When you use Ubuntu, you can forget about all the searching the internet for a program that may or may not work, and then trying to install it. When I want something, I can just start up Synaptic and type in a few words to search with. When the results come back, I click the checkbox next to the app I want, and it gets installed and set up for me automatically, and in all ordinary cases, can be expected to work perfectly right away.

Another traditional advantage of Linux is security. I've never personally had a problem either way with this, but I have noticed that it's a lot harder for some of my less technically inclined friends to screw up an Ubuntu system than a Windows one.

And my final item is updates. The entire software stack is continually being improved, and Ubuntu has a little taskbar notifier to automatically let you know when any piece of software on your system, no matter how small, can be made better.

Try it and decide for yourself (that's what the LiveCD is for). There are a million perfectly good reasons to switch to Ubuntu, and a million more to stick with Windows. It comes down to personal preference and needs.

Personally, I find Linux to be, overall, faster, more stable, more secure, and more open (ie, far easier to hack and customize). Of course, the price is right, too. And the vast universe of software freely available, right at my fingertips, means I spend more time using my computer, and less time hunting around for software to do what I need to do.

Incidentally, WoW is a platinum certified application for Wine, so you should be able to get it working quite nicely on the Linux side.

But wait! Wine 1.0 is coming soon! http://wiki.winehq.org/WineReleasePlan

We really need to work on getting Wine perfected. Games should be the obvious target for this, because they tend to push the APIs the hardest. I'd love to switch permanently but I also like to play older Windows only games like Planescape: Torment and Alpha Centauri, neither of which are playable under Wine because of DIB and ddraw bugs. Many other games still have major unresolved issues or work only with massive tweaking, yet are listed as "Gold" on the Wine AppDB. (Examples: Morrowind and the broken ragdoll, Oblivion and HDR/graphical issues, System Shock 2 and a cursor in the way.) If I could run all my older classic games and newer games on the same machine with as good or better performance, I'd be all over it. As it stands I still have to dual boot if I want to run Linux, and the reasons to quit my XP session and interrupt my workflow just aren't compelling enough. At this point I've got a Debian build on my laptop but I find I just don't boot into it that much.

When Linux can run Windows programs better than Windows itself, there will be no compelling reason NOT to switch! I'm waiting in anticipation, but it's not nearly close enough.

We really need to work on getting Wine perfected. Games should be the obvious target for this, because they tend to push the APIs the hardest. I'd love to switch permanently but I also like to play older Windows only games like Planescape: Torment and Alpha Centauri, neither of which are playable under Wine because of DIB and ddraw bugs. Many other games still have major unresolved issues or work only with massive tweaking, yet are listed as "Gold" on the Wine AppDB. (Examples: Morrowind and the broken ragdoll, Oblivion and HDR/graphical issues, System Shock 2 and a cursor in the way.) If I could run all my older classic games and newer games on the same machine with as good or better performance, I'd be all over it. As it stands I still have to dual boot if I want to run Linux, and the reasons to quit my XP session and interrupt my workflow just aren't compelling enough. At this point I've got a Debian build on my laptop but I find I just don't boot into it that much.

When Linux can run Windows programs better than Windows itself, there will be no compelling reason NOT to switch! I'm waiting in anticipation, but it's not nearly close enough.

P.S.-Since I don't have much experience with Macs, maybe someone could tell me-Is there something similar to Crossover on Linux for Macs? It would be nice if I could play Return to Castle Wolfenstein and a few other games while I killed time between classes. I'll probably keep a frankensteined XP gamer rig offline just for gaming, but Wolfenstein plays better on my laptop under Linux than it does on Windows so I was just curious if there was anything similar. Thanks and have a great weekend!!!

There is crossover for OS X http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/

As well as a port of wine for OS X http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX

I would assume the crossover product is at least in part based on the OS X port of wine. I have not used either of these so I have no idea how stable they are or if either will work with the game you mentioned. I am just aware that they exist.

Thank you for your predictions, oh wise seer. Though I'm not sure if any of them will come true. However, I appreciate your unique interpretation of free software philosophy.

It would have been much easier to download and run an installer.

With the example you gave, yes. Let me give you another example:

sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - && sudo apt-get update

Consider, also, that this is not for a single app. It's for a repository -- Medibuntu has dozens of apps. But even for a single app:

wget -q http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/387EE263.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
sudo wget http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list

What you described just shows that AWN's install procedure sucks.

This isn't always true. Firefox 2.0.0.13 for Windows is 5.8MB while the same version for Linux weighs in (compressed) at 9.2MB.

That is true. It is again an example of where this has gone wrong -- Firefox 3.0 for Linux is about a meg, because it splits things into smaller packages (xulrunner probably being a big one).

When apps come bundled in installers with everything they need, it's easy to keep them around or move them from machine to machine without re-downloading them.

Not as large an issue when re-downloading is so quick. I suppose it makes more sense for a proprietary app, though.

It's a tremendous advantage not to be dependent on an Internet connection or a developer to package his or her app for the particular Linux install I happen to be using this hour.

I only very rarely run into apps which don't already have an Ubuntu package in some form -- could probably count them on one hand. In such situations, the procedure really isn't good -- usually involving compiling from source -- but this is easier now, and these are also not necessarily the kind of apps that a normal user needs.

That said, I do think that a package manager could be built to combine the best of both worlds. It's on my long list of things to do Real Soon Now.

Also, I don't have to worry about the windows taskbar or system tray jumping around on me.

Because it's impossible to move. But then, most Linux GUIs start out with these things "locked", forcing me to be a bit more explicit to end up with the taskbar in the wrong place.

Anyway, my point was that it's about on par with modern GNOME and KDE, but other shells are available, work well, and tend not to break apps. And KDE can be customized even more than GNOME, which is already ahead of Windows. So the only good thing about the Windows GUI is that, precisely because you can't customize it very much, it's very easy to find your way around a new Windows system -- as you said, consistency. But ultimately, that's only superficial, and they seem to be breaking it with every major new version of Windows...

It's also an interesting observation, given that most Microsoft applications can be customized to an absurd level. By clicking and dragging, you could accidentally move the Explorer location bar out of place, make it tiny, etc. I actually appreciate this (and see a bit of it in KDE), but if it's good in their apps, why not in the OS? (And vice versa -- if it's bad in the OS, why not in their apps?)

I should note one more thing: Power almost necessarily provides a way to shoot yourself in the foot. Take the web browser. If the homepage could not be changed, and there was no address bar -- if you totally kiosk-ified it -- it would be more user-friendly, and less prone to the user screwing it up in weird ways. But that would defeat the whole point of having th

Reminds me of http://www.winehq.org/?issue=311#Microsoft%20WGA%20&%20Wine ... expect this is not microsoft.com isn't it?

Photoshop CS1, CS2 both work in Wine. CS3 is installable.

^_^ Google is paying Wine to works specifically on Photoshop, so yeah!

Yes, your $25 Generic webcam will work on Linux thanks to that one guy who added all those drivers in one go ( http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/30/209201 )

Desktop Media creation is kind of vague, but you can edit audio, make movies, etc. It is also REALLY easy to turn almost all video into a format that plays in dvd players (Try devede, it works great)

Yes you can connect your 360 to linux, and you can use the controler in linux, and you can stream to the PS3 in linux, and you can use the ps3 controller in linux, and you can use the wii controller in linux.

Google is a better resource than Comcast. Comcast can't trouble shoot WINDOWS much less linux. 'Restart' does not count as troubleshooting.

Crysis can be played on Linux at the bronze level, which is better than it can run on my computer anywho: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=5880 , but this seems like an unfair requirement.

Sims City 4 runs like a champ: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=4088 But Sims in general is a huge category of games...

Let me ask you a question.
Can you run Windows for a year without restarting, slowing down, or crashing? How about 3 months?
Can you install 50 programs while uninstalling 32, while also installing/uninstalling all dependencies at the same time?
Can you (^_^ With pulse audio) plug in as many sound cards as you want, have them auto detected and added, and stream your audio to all computers in the house with indivdual volume controls for each item using it (Browser plugins, vlc, etc)
Can you quickly and easily change your wallpaper, window edges, icons, mouse, and all animations with little effort, in such a way that all applications reflect those changes?
Can you backup all your settings by copying one folder?
Can you share it legally with your friends/family?

Come back with "Yes" and I will reconsider Windows. And if you keep using windows, try out PowerMenu ( http://www.majorgeeks.com/PowerMenu_d87.html ), which allows window's to minimize to try, keep always on top, and other stuff.

Photoshop CS1, CS2 both work in Wine. CS3 is installable.

^_^ Google is paying Wine to works specifically on Photoshop, so yeah!

Yes, your $25 Generic webcam will work on Linux thanks to that one guy who added all those drivers in one go ( http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/30/209201 )

Desktop Media creation is kind of vague, but you can edit audio, make movies, etc. It is also REALLY easy to turn almost all video into a format that plays in dvd players (Try devede, it works great)

Yes you can connect your 360 to linux, and you can use the controler in linux, and you can stream to the PS3 in linux, and you can use the ps3 controller in linux, and you can use the wii controller in linux.

Google is a better resource than Comcast. Comcast can't trouble shoot WINDOWS much less linux. 'Restart' does not count as troubleshooting.

Crysis can be played on Linux at the bronze level, which is better than it can run on my computer anywho: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=5880 , but this seems like an unfair requirement.

Sims City 4 runs like a champ: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=4088 But Sims in general is a huge category of games...

Let me ask you a question.
Can you run Windows for a year without restarting, slowing down, or crashing? How about 3 months?
Can you install 50 programs while uninstalling 32, while also installing/uninstalling all dependencies at the same time?
Can you (^_^ With pulse audio) plug in as many sound cards as you want, have them auto detected and added, and stream your audio to all computers in the house with indivdual volume controls for each item using it (Browser plugins, vlc, etc)
Can you quickly and easily change your wallpaper, window edges, icons, mouse, and all animations with little effort, in such a way that all applications reflect those changes?
Can you backup all your settings by copying one folder?
Can you share it legally with your friends/family?

Come back with "Yes" and I will reconsider Windows. And if you keep using windows, try out PowerMenu ( http://www.majorgeeks.com/PowerMenu_d87.html ), which allows window's to minimize to try, keep always on top, and other stuff.

Last time I checked, only Photoshop up to v 7.0 worked reliably in WINE. Otherwise the installer wouldn't work (but if you installed it in Windows and moved that install over to Linux/WINE it would work, apparently).

Last time I checked, only Photoshop up to v 7.0 worked reliably in WINE. Otherwise the installer wouldn't work (but if you installed it in Windows and moved that install over to Linux/WINE it would work, apparently).

Last time I checked, only Photoshop up to v 7.0 worked reliably in WINE. Otherwise the installer wouldn't work (but if you installed it in Windows and moved that install over to Linux/WINE it would work, apparently).