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Iraqi soldiers wave white flag of surrender

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"No one has ever known a group of so-called soldiers surrender before a shot has been fired in anger"

Absolute proof that the French are giving Iraq help with military tactics!

Tell that to the families that have lost mothers, fathers, children, aunts, and uncles to US foriegn policy. Tell the hundreds of Americans who still have family in Iraq that "history" doesn't matter. Has the US ever made a public apology or offered real long term support to make up for past crimes?

Very well-- lets listen to those Iraqi families. Almost every last Iraqi exile will tell you that we must remove Saddam. That is how we begin to repay the Iraqis. That is how we apologize. We don't do it by leaving him there to kill millions more. You've proved my point for me.

Back this up with real proof. I'm sure the US has proof, but in the interest of maintaining an edge in spying, the president probably decided not to reveal the information.

The burden of proof isn't on me. I'll give you some links to get you started- but this murdering, torturing, genocidal, chemical-weapons using madman has given the world plenty of proof of what he's done. the burden of proof is on those who would protect him-- on YOU. Here's the links: One Two Three That is on the WTC alone. Saddam OPENLY pays families of suicide bombers. Here's one on Salman Pak: Four I could go on forever. Clearly it is you who has not done enough reading. I've fulfilled a burden that wasn't even mine. Now you think we should protect a madman. You present your evidence.

If he was convincing, wouldn't the European nations given their support?

Actually, they all do, with the exception of France and Germany, who are trying to dominate Europe. And instead of just listening to other people, why don't you analyze the facts? If those guys are right, prove it. Don't just base your opinion on their authority. That is no more valid than me basing my opinion on George W. Bush's opinion alone. Chirac, by the way, is the only major world leader to be personal friends with Saddam, dating back to the days when he helped sell Saddam two nuclear reactors. He's also being investigated for corruption, and is only not being prosecuted because of immunity afforded by his office. The argument at the UN isn't about Iraq. They all know he is in violation of the terms of the resolution. This is about constraining US power.

The best way to win the war is to win the hearts and minds of Muslims and have them turn Saddam and Bin Laden in themselves

How about starting by promoting democracy in the region, giving the people political power and economic hope? How about removing these dictators bent on regional domination through WMD, who brutalize their populations and then conveniently blame the US and Jews to deflect criticism from themselves? How about stopping the torture and genocide practiced by Saddam? But you're not really interested in the people, if you were you'd advocate saving them from this monster. Why don't YOU read something instead of telling other people that you're more well-read than them in "philosophy" and "history". And although I asked that we keep this debate civil, every respondent has taken a cheap shot at President Bush. I can't take you guys seriously unless you show that you're interested in whether war is right or wrong-- instead of whether you're more well-read, sophisticated, and "subtle" than the President.

Because two wrongs don't make a right.

Exactly. That's why we must do the right thing now. Getting rid of this tyrant who is a threat to his people and the world

Point 1: The UNSCOM inspectors did uncover and destroy liquid Anthrax and other nasty things during their first inspections. This was in the mid '90's, after the Gulf War. The bio agents that they had had a shelf life of 3 years. The UNSCOM inpectors themselves claim that they managed to find and deal with 95% of Iraq's chem and bio stockpiles.

Wrong, the inspectors had no idea about the extent of Iraqs bioweapons until the defection of Hussein Kamel, saddam's son-in-law and head of the weapons program.

Point Two: Hussein did not "kick out" the inspectors in 1998. They we told that they should get out before Desert Fox began. Their safety could not be guaranteed vis a vis the bombs that were about to drop. Iraq (and the U.N.) we also pretty upset that the U.S. was using the inspection data to develop air strike packages.

Wrong again. Saddam told the inspectors that they were no longer welcome and stopped cooperating with them. The inspectors reported this to the UN/US, at which point Clinton decided to start the bombs. Or do you think he just did that for fun?

WRT to Iraq and terrorism, has Saddam Hussein supported international terrorists? Yes, probably. So does Saudi Arabia (at fairly high levels, too.)

Saudi arabia has also started cooperating with us on terrorism after 9/11. The princes have already decided that after the Iraq war they will be moving towards democratic reform. I think we should make it clear that we expect them to cooperate fully, and punish them if they try and screw us. On the other hand Saddam has been openly screwing us. Like you said, two wrongs don't make a right. Even if we need Saudi support now to get rid of Saddam, we still ought to get rid of saddam.

You question the links to terrorism, but not all of them. It was Iraqis who tried to assassinate former Pres. Bush. Saddam OPENLY pays suicide bombers. Yes, there are some terrorists operating out of Kurdish areas; but al Zarqawi is/was in Baghdad. Salman Pak is under Saddam's control (near baghdad.) And yes, Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent

Yousef carried an Iraqi passport, and prior to Iraq's Gulf War invasion of Kuwait, Kuwaiti government documents identified Yousef as an Iraqi secret agent (Iraq doctored the documents and eliminated the reference).

Sorry, you've been misinformed. I agree we should crack down on al Qaeda, help afghanistan. None of that has anything to do with Iraq. You point out that Saddam won't do anything now. That changes if the US military leaves (and they can't stay there indefinitely). It also changes when he develops a nuclear weapon, which he WILL do, given enough time. Intelligence estimates anywhere from 6 months to 2 years. Of course our nuclear intelligence is well known for underestimating our enemies. (See N. Korea, Pakistan). He is openly trying to acquire parts for nukes on the black market (see: aluminum tubes) And I guess you would just let the people of Iraq suffer in the meantime.

You'd be surprised by how the Iraqis *won't* appreciate their 'liberation'.

That is a flat-out lie. The Iraqis would love to get rid of Saddam. He has made their lives torture, in many cases literally. He's killed millions of his own people. They'd love to be rid of them. It's easy for you to say otherwise sitting behind a computer in a first-world country. I'd like to see your evidence. And no, a march in Iraq isn't proof. When you live in Iraq, they make you do certain things. If you don't, the security services come and threaten you and your family.

From my POV (I am in the UK) all american news media is right wing.

From my point of view, all UKers fall somewhere between socialist and communist. Then again, sweeping generalizations like mine and yours are not very helpful.

Fox news is so right wing it is like a parody.

Oh, it can get much worse than the Fox news channel. Take, for example, WorldNet Daily or Newsmax.com, which make a point of headlining stories about Christian persecution and how Darwinism is being refuted. Hell, it can even get worse than that. Perhaps check out the Hal Turner Show.

For that reason I am always amazed to see some people claim CNN is "liberal".

CNN is pretty fair, though I've never heard them criticize a government program. Dan Rather is a much better example of Leftist bias in American media.

Can you US guys get Euronews (satellite news tv channel)? I wonder what you make of it in comparison to your home grown news channels.

Let me guess: "America is the source of all the world's problems. The Government is the solution to all the world's problems. Individality must be suppressed. The Government is the source of morality. Capitalism is evil. There is nothing wrong with communism; the problems have only been in its implementations." Did I get it right?

You lost to the friggen Haitians! Were saved twice from Germany by in no small part the US (btw the second time we saved France we were also fighting a war against Japan). Yes we lost Vietnam (formerly know as French indo-china (with Kampuchea and Laos) who also booted out the French. You lost Quebec to the English, you won the 100 years war but burned alive the woman who led you to victory. Hmm Napoleon won a few but he was Corsican.

The US defeated England in our revolution (I will grant the French were there but we did most of the fighting) and the war of 1812, we defeated Mexico (another nation that kicked the crap out of France), Beat Spain in the late 1800's, helped save you in WW1, then again in WW2 (while fighting at the same time two very powerful nations), we fought to a stalemate soviet plans and Chinese troops in Korea, lost Vietnam because we did not play to win, then won a few minor wars with Panama, and Iraq (again France cant beat Haiti so it relevant), and most recently helped the NA removed the Taliban from Afghanistan (umm Karzai is still president of that nation and the taliban is shrinking more and more every day).

Now on to what you are not trying to hide from is France Socially superior to the US??

Literacy: both France and the US have over 90% literacy
Here . The french are a whopping 2% higher than the us here . When you take into account that nearly 4% of the US population are illegal immigrants (people who want to come to this land of misery as you call it)
here and documented imigrants are around 10% of our population
here we have a much harder task in front of us than the French. There are schools in our cities with kids who speak more than 30 languages doubt France has to deal with that.

Now onto "misery, insecurity and unhappiness are more present in the USA than in France." I would like to see how you quantified that? As it's not something you can measure but Ill give it a try.

Lets start with lenght of life
People in France live one year longer than Americansas a % that is 1.3% longer (that can probably be written off to a large immigrant population who may come from a nation with a poor health care system, but even if not that's statistically insignificant as the US and Germany are tied so they must be miserable too.

Now lets look at standard of living the US GDP per capita is nearly 30% higher in the US, same source as above and also here

The US has a higher quality of life according to UN data here .

We are also a Cleaner Nation here

Now while none of this prooves the US is a more happy, and secure place than the zoo between Germany and Spain it goes allot further than your post. If you care to get into a war of wits (again be careful about being French and in a war) at least come armed next time.

Finally about most of our genius coming from abroad if you speaking to our roots as a nation (being we are 70% of European decent) than I would put it to you that you have no point as they are educated and nurtured in America. If you are referring to the # of foreign students in our universities I would ask you why are they coming here rather than going to France? I would also put it to you that your culture was started when you lost a War to the Romans and had their culture put on you, Western Culture owes more to the Italians and Greeks than the French, English, and Americans put together. There is nothing to argue we are not perfect but we are better in most ways than the French.

Note: I consider an Immigrant who comes to this nation and becomes a citizen to be the most loyal and important kind of American one who made the choice

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That's right, gun control works. Australia is a very safe place to live, now that crimes like armed robbery are more common than before the 1996 ban/confiscation took effect. You sound brainwashed to me.

McVeigh - the dying gasp of the white supremacist movement... thought to have acted in conspiracy with Osama bin Laden and with a possible Iraqi connection according to an NBC affiliate reporter. And here's why the FBI missed the Islamic connection. Hint: It's knee-jerk political corrrectness. "What?? Arabs commit terrorism? Who's ever heard of such a thing? I bet it's those right-wing extremist Montana militia NRA gun nuts. Yeah, those guys are the real threat."

Muhammad and Malvo - close enough. Both are both Muslim and dark-skinned. Again, political correctness had us chasing after supposedly disgruntled, anti-government, white, middle-aged men as suspects in spite of evidence indicating otherwise.

Liberal dogma: White man evil. Colored man good. No matter what.

McVeigh - the dying gasp of the white supremacist movement... thought to have acted in conspiracy with Osama bin Laden and with a possible Iraqi connection according to an NBC affiliate reporter. And here's why the FBI missed the Islamic connection. Hint: It's knee-jerk political corrrectness. "What?? Arabs commit terrorism? Who's ever heard of such a thing? I bet it's those right-wing extremist Montana militia NRA gun nuts. Yeah, those guys are the real threat."

Muhammad and Malvo - close enough. Both are both Muslim and dark-skinned. Again, political correctness had us chasing after supposedly disgruntled, anti-government, white, middle-aged men as suspects in spite of evidence indicating otherwise.

Liberal dogma: White man evil. Colored man good. No matter what.

McVeigh - the dying gasp of the white supremacist movement... thought to have acted in conspiracy with Osama bin Laden and with a possible Iraqi connection according to an NBC affiliate reporter. And here's why the FBI missed the Islamic connection. Hint: It's knee-jerk political corrrectness. "What?? Arabs commit terrorism? Who's ever heard of such a thing? I bet it's those right-wing extremist Montana militia NRA gun nuts. Yeah, those guys are the real threat."

Muhammad and Malvo - close enough. Both are both Muslim and dark-skinned. Again, political correctness had us chasing after supposedly disgruntled, anti-government, white, middle-aged men as suspects in spite of evidence indicating otherwise.

Liberal dogma: White man evil. Colored man good. No matter what.

Then again it could just be another evil Chinese commy conspiracy - uh, yeah right.

Huh? You didn't just jump to that conclusion, dude. You called a cab, drove to the airport, stood in line for an hour, bought a ticket, and flew halfway around the world to that conclusion.

My conclusion flowed quite logically from what you wrote. Perhaps you don't see the logical consequences of the ideas you are esposing. I do.

Let me make this more clear. Let's say I were to make the statement that I believe I have a right to a free lunch one day per week. I'm being deliberately silly to make my point: I have a right to one free lunch per week.

That is not a right. That is a wish. In America it is called an entitlement. Like most Americans you are confused as to what a right is. Try this link:

article on rights

One, because it's written down in our founding document.

Many of the founders were reluctant to enumerate any specific rights out of concern that our government, in some future age, would try to check our rights by denying us those which were not enumerated but clearly ours. Here is a link on that subject.

what some of our founders thought about this notion

And two, because we all agree that we have it

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't let the mob do my thinking for me. I can assure you that I (and you) require certain rights whether you or the mob choose to recognize them or not. The fact that one can be imprisoned or killed, in some countries, for exercising those rights in no way means I (and you) don't require them.

Why do we require them and how have I identified them? Because they are provably neccessary for our ability to survive and thrive as human beings. Their infringment by governments always leads to loss of life.

Our founding documents were the first attempts, even made by man, to found a government based on these principles. Unfortunately, for many reasons, our founders were not entirely successful in binding the government to its, arguably proper, very limited role.

It is evident that you don't understand what a right is. I also don't think you understand much about the nature of governments.

Read some Lysander Spooner Lysander Spooner

Also interesting is this little booklet on amazon
Hologram of Liberty

And of course all of the founding fathers writings, the philosophers who influenced them, as well as the prior history of England and English common law make for interesting and enlightening reading. And don't forget the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

But here I am in another pointless usenet discussion. Sort of like reading R.D. Laings' book Knots.

Good luck to you.

Huh? You didn't just jump to that conclusion, dude. You called a cab, drove to the airport, stood in line for an hour, bought a ticket, and flew halfway around the world to that conclusion.

My conclusion flowed quite logically from what you wrote. Perhaps you don't see the logical consequences of the ideas you are esposing. I do.

Let me make this more clear. Let's say I were to make the statement that I believe I have a right to a free lunch one day per week. I'm being deliberately silly to make my point: I have a right to one free lunch per week.

That is not a right. That is a wish. In America it is called an entitlement. Like most Americans you are confused as to what a right is. Try this link:

article on rights

One, because it's written down in our founding document.

Many of the founders were reluctant to enumerate any specific rights out of concern that our government, in some future age, would try to check our rights by denying us those which were not enumerated but clearly ours. Here is a link on that subject.

what some of our founders thought about this notion

And two, because we all agree that we have it

Thanks, but no thanks. I don't let the mob do my thinking for me. I can assure you that I (and you) require certain rights whether you or the mob choose to recognize them or not. The fact that one can be imprisoned or killed, in some countries, for exercising those rights in no way means I (and you) don't require them.

Why do we require them and how have I identified them? Because they are provably neccessary for our ability to survive and thrive as human beings. Their infringment by governments always leads to loss of life.

Our founding documents were the first attempts, even made by man, to found a government based on these principles. Unfortunately, for many reasons, our founders were not entirely successful in binding the government to its, arguably proper, very limited role.

It is evident that you don't understand what a right is. I also don't think you understand much about the nature of governments.

Read some Lysander Spooner Lysander Spooner

Also interesting is this little booklet on amazon
Hologram of Liberty

And of course all of the founding fathers writings, the philosophers who influenced them, as well as the prior history of England and English common law make for interesting and enlightening reading. And don't forget the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

But here I am in another pointless usenet discussion. Sort of like reading R.D. Laings' book Knots.

Good luck to you.

As far as your last point goes, do you have any data that backs this up?

I guess the way to create a surveillance state is to put a tax on any activity you want to track...that way anyone who protects their privacy can be nailed for tax evasion.

Has anyone ever thought of the security implications of allowing someone to have silent access to the rest of the world on an airplane? Let's set up the scenario: Some nutbag with a portable GPS device on his laptop is able to provide real-time coordinates to someone on the ground via AOL Instant messenger or some other chat program. With the elevated threat of surface to air shoulder-mounted rockets on the news lately, isn't this giving terrorists a new way to track planes? Call me paranoid, but as cool as it would be to be able to get an IRC fix at 40,000 feet, I just don't think its a very wise idea in these troubled times.

Canada certainly has much more of a monolithic culture than does America. I think much of what America terms as "problems" are simply the costs of having a truly heterogenous society. Every such society has these culture clashes, and that is the source of the violence. The guns are simply the implementation.

Columnist Michael Medved makes the claim that if you isolate the gun crime among people like Canadians (i.e., whites), the numbers even out quite a bit. Without delving into the quagmire of why that might be, if it is indeed true, and I can't confirm or refute it quickly, it sort of makes the whole Canada vs. U.S. argument go up in smoke.

My personal resolution to the argument is simple the question: if you do not allow citizens to own firearms, how shall they protect themselves from criminals? Your answer cannot be "the cops". That's not what they are for. It's easy to sit in front of a computer in suburban America with a BMW in the garage and wonder why in the world anyone would need a handgun to protect themselves. Talk to my sister in law, who was attacked and beaten by her boyfriend, and you might get a different point of view.

Forgive me for seeming cynical, but where Microsoft gets to sit at a banquet does nothing to shatter my political illusions.

If anything in that article shocks you, then you haven't been keeping track. The Lippo group coal scandal of the 90's far exceeds anything mentioned in this article.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that Iraq is under very strict UN sanctions and that their computer technology is quite limited. So there probably aren't as many Iraqi computer geeks as you might imagine. Not to say that Saddam isn't trying to build up his computer tech any way he can. This article cites a classified military document that expresses concern over Iraq's attempt to import thousands of Playstation2 videogame consoles. Military officials fear that Saddam is trying to get around the UN sanctions on computer equipment by linking the videogame consoles together to form an ad-hoc parallel supercomputer. But the fact that they have to go to such extremes just goes to show you that their baseline computer capability is quite limited. Thus, computer access is probably also limited and there isn't enough free CPU cycles for Iraqi geeks to hone their cracking skills.

As for Al Queda, remember that they try to commit "spectacular attacks". Significant damage can be done via cyberattacks but those don't have the camera appeal of explosions. Remember these guys had the 9/11 attacks planned so that the second airplane would strike the twin towers long enough after the first so that reporters would already be on the scene and could witness the second explosion. And it would be hard for Al Queda to recruit new members simply by shuting down our stock exchange for a day or two.

GMD

It's a different world over there. The children are terrorists. It's a shame the Israelis didn't finish the job.

Or forcing people out of there own land because of their religion?

Excuse me, what Muslim countries is Israel attacking? Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, Sudan, Iraq, Iran, Quatar, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Morocco, Chad, Libya, Lebanon, Jordan, Indonesia, the Phillipines? Hmmm, there must be some other factor (Google News: 13 hours ago) that you're missing. Israel's not attacking any Muslim country. Just some Arab-Israeli ("Palestinian") misfits wanting an overthrow of Israel.

In other news, there was another suicide bombing this afternoon on the West Bank in the settlement of Tampa. "When I arrived I saw body parts lying on the road," said a woman who witnessed the blast. "I went into the shop and saw some remains covered in blood and nearby a severed leg which belonged to another body." The street was crowded with schoolchildren and shoppers on their way home from work.

The Spanish Authority has condemned the bombing. The Español Inquisition-Jihad is claiming responsibility for this attack, which is in protest of the illegal American settlements on the occupied territory owned by the Spaniards. Gov. Jeb Bush was unavailable for comment as he was attending a funeral of a victim of last week's suicide bomber.

Maybe not as sexy as this one, but they already exist. Lasers are believed to have been used by the Sovs against American pilots in an attempt to permanently blind them, see info here. Also, a big deal is dazzlers, which temporarily do the same thing, see some info here.

Dissent in the media is not tolerated in Canada, particularly on certain subjects.

and for those of you who get what i'm saying, let's secede!

Yeah, there's a little company named Akaima [akamai.com]

Not to nitpick or anything, but I think Akaima doesn't really exist ;). The website at akamai.com is named, interestingly enough, Akamai. ;)

As an Akamai aside, one of the founders, Daniel Lewin, was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 11, and was trained in anti-terrorist tactics by the IDF. Was he shot by the terrorists, as an apparent FAA memo indicates?

Indeed, wandering off-topic, but I've got karma to spare. :)

Of course, you have to make up your own mind on who's right, but it's always a good idea to get several conflicting and contrasting stories before you do. And here, I offer some contrast. First, a couple of hospital stories.

And, to top it off, a column by an Arab-American, quoting from Arabic newspapers. Think it was the Jews that forced the Palestinians into refugee camps? Read this. And another column on history by the same guy.

Don't take my word for it, though. And don't take the word of anyone else you read off of the 'net. Don't accept anything you learn as absolutely true unless you have researched it throughly, from every different angle and point of view there is, and you can integrate it, without contradiction, into the total sum of your existing knowledge.

Indeed, wandering off-topic, but I've got karma to spare. :)

Of course, you have to make up your own mind on who's right, but it's always a good idea to get several conflicting and contrasting stories before you do. And here, I offer some contrast. First, a couple of hospital stories.

And, to top it off, a column by an Arab-American, quoting from Arabic newspapers. Think it was the Jews that forced the Palestinians into refugee camps? Read this. And another column on history by the same guy.

Don't take my word for it, though. And don't take the word of anyone else you read off of the 'net. Don't accept anything you learn as absolutely true unless you have researched it throughly, from every different angle and point of view there is, and you can integrate it, without contradiction, into the total sum of your existing knowledge.

Gore happily talks of fighter jets with sidewinder missiles downing future hijacked planes, but God FORBID a .38 in the pilot's flight bag!

Offends me though. What the hell are pilots supposed to do with a gun? Fire it? And I assume this thing is, if it's to be remotely effective, going to be armed all of the time, creating the possibility that it'll go off by accident? Why not just install a spark generator in the fuel tanks, I mean, the result is pretty much the same, but at least the effects are more entertaining for someone watching on the ground. Poor bastards in the plane will not have to die of asphixiation and absurdly painful depressurisation sicknesses either that way on the way to their meeting with the ground.

Anyway, rant over.

Posted A/C because this is off-topic.

Regarding Iraq, I haven't seen a credible report of Iraqi involvement in 911, and if there has been such a report, the US Administration is doing an alarmingly nice job of keeping it quiet, which seems to be completely contrary to the desire to get some of our allies to support an invasion. The meetings with Atta have not been confirmed, and US officials don't even seem to believe them. About the WMD stuff, yeah, Iraq wants WMD, but the evidence of a real nuclear threat is severely lacking. But even if they were pursuing nukes -- get real. Iraq has as much right as any regime to pursue whatever policy its statecraft dictates. Why would we feel threatened by Iraqi nukes? They could never develop a capability that could seriously threaten American interests, not even indirectly; as self-aggrandizingly cruel as Saddam Hussein is, he is neither suicidal nor stupid. Keep in mind too his regime is secular - he has about as much reason to fear the al Qaeda types as we do; more in fact, since the Iraqi citizens are far more likely to take up his call to overthrow their government than American muslims, Chicago gangbangers and Marin county white kids included.

Finally, I don't know why you want to let Mr. binLaden dictate the terms of our conflict with him. Of course he says it's a "clash of civilizations" - but we don't have to buy into that; it only helps him. If we want to defeat him and his kind we need to make sure the rest of the Arab Muslim world doesn't believe it's a clash of civilizations. We won't be able to do that by bombing them to kingdom come.

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"Palestinian" my ass. Just another Jew-hating Jordanian, Egyptian, or Syrian.

There are no Palestinians.

No we don't.

Yes, you really do. Choosing not to distinguish between the two is just a way to hide behind nonsense and not fix what is wrong.

The idea for a national health figure did not come from Marx, it came from Nye Bevan, and was endorsed by Winston Churchill. The Labour manifesto that promised to establish the NHS was written by George Orwell, so before you try to conflate Socialism and Stalism go check your facts out.

Before flaming what was you think was written, you need to read the response. I never claimed that national health care came from Marx. I was simply pointing out that politically "correct" thought today is largely socialist in origin.

What right wing comentators complain of as 'political corectness' is most often rejection of bigotry. The fact is that these days the media is not exclusively white male protestants. So if a comentator wants to publish a piece that is racist, homophobic, mysogenistic, anti-semitic or contains some other type of bigotry the chances are pretty good that doing so is going to be a career limiting move since blacks, hispanics, gays, lesbians, women, catholics, jews etc now have positions of power in the media industry and are unlikely to look favorably on a bigot of any kind and especially a reporter whose bigotry is aimed at them.

I have no idea what the point of this babble is.

When Buchanan adopted an overtly racist platform in his second Presidential campaign it ended his CNN career.

Surprisingly, Buchanan has been doing quite well for himself writing editorial columns during the last year or so. He is often a featured writer on WorldNetDaily.

So many people believed the Onion story was true that Snopes had to debunk it!

There will always be the few extrordinary circumstances <snip inflammatory example> which is why the judicial system exists. Not to interpret.

What do you think "judge" means? It is to exercise judgement. Opinions like yours are why:

• 14-year-olds are suspended from school for taking a knife away from a suicidal classmate -- "He was in posession of it."
• 10-year-old girls are suspended for sexual harassment for asking boys on the playground, "Do you like me?"
• 6-year-olds are suspended from school for giving a friend a lemon drop -- "It looked like a drug!"

The courts are the last check against the enforcement of bad laws. (This should be the place of a jury, but appeals courts have taken the activity on for themselves.)

I submitted this as a story back when it first came out, but Slashdot janitors, being the liberal fascists that they sometimes are, rejected it - and my guess is simply because WND is considered a "conservative" website. I'd say my comments above scream "YRO!" more than a dispute between disgruntled customers of an aquarium store and the owner of said store.

I submitted this as a story back when it first came out, but Slashdot janitors, being the liberal fascists that they sometimes are, rejected it - and my guess is simply because WND is considered a "conservative" website. I'd say my comments above scream "YRO!" more than a dispute between disgruntled customers of an aquarium store and the owner of said store.

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Lapin pointed out that according to published reports, the film's director, Ron Howard, did this at least partly because he hoped to garner Academy Award recognition.

"Given that the Hollywood establishment indeed includes a considerably greater proportion of people of Jewish ancestry than does the American populace as a whole, Mr. Howard was concerned that the Academy would justifiably spurn a film that lionized an anti-Semite," Lapin explained. "To call that a 'stranglehold' may not be polite, but it is no lie, either."

Lapin says he cannot understand why it is acceptable for Howard to "acknowledge this reality, however implicitly; but when Billy Graham did so, long ago and in private, it was somehow different 'chilling and frightening,' in Mr. Foxman's words."

Why would www.FreeOccident.org proclaim to the world the righteous actof someone who is obviously a prominent Jew if the objective of www.FreeOccident.org is biased against Jews?

No, the hard facts of the situation are that I ama personraised to have no bias against Jews nor any group except perhaps "sinners" as defined quite strictly within the text of the Bible. Outgrowing that training and adopting the typical counter-culture lifestyle of the boomer generation, I encountered other sources of equally noxious indoctrination. Sensitized to fundamentalist indoctrination I recognized the tell-tale signs of dogma. Unfortunately for those not raised in as easily-debunked a tradition as fundamentalist religion, the pseudo-intellectual pronouncements of Boasian political correctness took root in their young minds via the crytpo-theocracies of media and academia. Both are de facto organs of state religious beliefs as they receive large amounts of direct support from the government. In the case of the media, that support extends back at least to the Telecommunications act of 1934 and its "public benefit" provisions ajudicated by the Federal Communications Commission.

Beyond outgrowing that early training and watching, in horror, as highly intelligent childhood friends slowly disintigrated into Boasian droids, additional life experiences combined with relentlessly independent inquiry as an adult, to trigger my old rural Quaker heritage of "Speaking truth to power." You deny Jewish power exists and is under-discussed by mainstream media over which Jews have self-admitted disproportionate influence? How is that possible for you to do with a straight face without virtually schizoid self-deception?

A person who spent a good deal of time in national politics and, having gotten twolaws placed on the Federal books,comes to the emotionally wrenching conclusion that media bias washeavily and unethically biased toward Jewish nepotism and therefore against the public -- specifically the aspects of the public that represented the most enfranchised of prior generations.

This is not the stuff of "bias" or "discrimination" except insofar as knowledge and experience in combination with perception and cognition lead to "bias" and "discrimination".

If my experience had taught me the hard reality that any other entity, including, for example,those of my ownQuaker background, were similarly entrusted with the public interest under the Telecommunications Act of 1934, and hadself-servingly failed in the ethical, if not legal,obligations of that trust, I would have appear "bias" against them. When individuals act as a group, it becomes unreasonable to demand that oneaddress them as individuals unless they are exceptional individuals such as Rabbi Labin.

This is not to say that Google is demanding that web pages to which ads link should address people as individuals, of course. They state that "bias against" "people" as well as "groups" or other entitites are to be disallowed. This is an untennable policy as stated since they are now required to disallow all opinions if those opinions contain any negative connotations.

Quite simply, the fact that FreeOccident.org was singled out in this manner proves the urgent necessity, not only for its existence, but for wider exposure of fora of this nature.

Let's set aside whether we should have the right to back-up or trade intellectual property. Admittedly it's important, but I have some bigger concerns.

The universal implementation of digital rights protection would be enormously dangerous to free speech as a whole.

Let's just say, years in the future, World Net Daily publishes an article containing information that is very embarassing to the government. Officials want the story squelched.

So, just register a signature for the page in the Digital Rights MAnagement system, and call it proprietary. Pooft! No one can access it. No one can email it. It's gone, for all intents and purposes, excepting for those who have broken the protection system on their hardware.

You're right. I'd say that the mass media are more "democratic" today than they've ever been in the last two centuries. William Randolph Hearst and pals controlled everything you read a hundred years ago, and through most of the twentieth century, you had three TV networks or nothing.

Today we've got any number of socialist news sites, right-wing commentary, plus access to everything AP and Reuters put out. Every think tank has the means to get their message to a worldwide audience.

And yet, with all this, people still complain that the media aren't state-controlled enough. And these are the same people who complain that the state is run by Big Evil Corporations. (I'm not saying it isn't.) But if the state runs the media, and the BEC's run the state, how is that a good thing?

A site I frequent is WorldNetDaily.com, and they have ads for stuff sprinkled all over there front page implying sometimes that they are news items, when really they're just another advertisement for the newest book they're selling on their site. It's definitely not a new scheme, but certainly annoying when done the wrong way. Some of Yahoo's advertisements have gotten really annoying. There's no way to 'block' flash ads in Mozilla yet, and Yahoo keeps throwing up this damn huge Oracle/IBM ad on the my.yahoo.com page I have. Pretty annoying because it makes me unable to see any pertinent info until halfway down the page, and my.yahoo.com is quite important to me for quick snapshots of stock quotes, weather, and world news. :(

Racist? It's the fucking truth. Check this out.

Maybe it's because they are the only news organization on the fucking planet that isn't owned by AOL/Time Warner, Fox, Belo or Clear Channel?
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I am a liberal. This means I read books and have opposable thumbs.

Oh wait, they are (relatively) conservative papers, so you can't possibly trust their reporting.

IfI want a leftist viewpoint, I read Salon. When I want to see what the extreme right wing is saying, I read WorldNetDaily. Slashdot tends to lean about as far to the left as Salon, but doesn't have as much porn, which I suspect is the real reason many people subscribe.

No, honestly, I just read it for the articles!

You see, their goal is not to kill as many of us as they can. Their goal is to cause is to hurt ourselves through our fear of them. You are mistaken. They are irrational. They want you dead and me dead. This article discusses it. It is their desire for America to cease to exist. Nevertheless, America will outlast them. This means, WE WIN -- THEY LOSE. simple.

If I had to give up my internet access for the next 10 years (this is reducing to ridiculous extreme) in order to destroy them so that I could live in free America, then I would gladly do so. This of course is not necessary and it won't be necessary for Somolia to do without for very long.
However, for a short time, in order to disrupt enemy communications, it is necessary to disrupt Internet traffic to Somolia. It is unfortunate, but it will aid in winning the war faster. The sooner we win the war, the less innocent people die on both sides.
Again, Human Life > Internet Access.

Yeah, this must be the new craze. Magnify your low res display to huge proportions with a simple snap-on 'radically new' monitor add-on! Please. I saw a similar add for a long time on www.worldnetdaily.com a while back, but it seems to have recently been removed from their front page listings of 'Special Offers' which is usually just a bunch of junk.

A friend pointed me at this. Very basically: they're looking at the use of nukes. Dear God I hope you people are talking to your congressmen and senators.

Here is a convincing article as to how the US involvement in WWI ultimately helped to lay the foundation for the current political climate we find ourselves in.

The basic premise is, had not the US intervened in Europe, the Germans would not have been so thoroughly punished setting the stage for a Hitler. No Holocaust. No 'moral-imperative' for the world to support the formation of the state of Israel. No current US support of Israel.. well read it for yourself. Something to think about. endersdad