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About XMMS:
Source is available at http://www.xmms.org/ (http://www.xmms.org/download.php). They offer XMMS 1.2.11, which arguably is V1. Binaries appear to be missing though. Looks like the site has not been maintained for a while.

About XMMS:
Source is available at http://www.xmms.org/ (http://www.xmms.org/download.php). They offer XMMS 1.2.11, which arguably is V1. Binaries appear to be missing though. Looks like the site has not been maintained for a while.

Thanks to XMMS, Audacious and many other open-source projects, the Winamp legacy lives on!

[..] To this day, the only thing I find lacking is multimedia players (and I especially miss Winamp).

Did you try the Audacious audio player? It was once forked from XMMS, which was a pretty good Winamp clone (for me anyways, haven't seen any Winamp since the year 2000 :). I still have Audacious configured to start with the XMMS skin, which is pretty close to how Winamp looked in 2000. With regard to media players, there's quite a lot of stuff around. Mplayer is certainly the best-performing media player on Linux. If you prefer a nicer GUI, there's also VLC. When you need more codecs, install Ubuntu package ubuntu-restricted-extras, and/or add the medibuntu repository to your package sources.

Doesn't anyone else think of audacious as that fork of a fork of xmms?

Damn right I won't recognise the Internet if it's turned into a media player.

I think you forgot x11amp :)

• Want to listen to mp3s? XMMS or Songbird.
• Want to watch movies? VLC. Ports installs a heap of cd ripping software with VLC too, and I package managers for Linux do as well.
• Want to share files? KMLDonkey.
• Want to play some free games? Here.
• Want to do office stuff? OpenOffice.

have just started to learn bass. How can I strip out the low end in audacity?

Bug 21 in the XMMS Bugzilla, it was fixed in November 2002 by Håvard Kvålen. Not my patch but the general idea was kept. Ain't it a nice world we live in?

Please, stop using Linux as the operating system, as it makes your comment a balant lie. No, it is not well supported by Linux, neither wifi and other things, it may be supported by one or two distributions.

Isn't it true that most users install a distribution rather than doing some kind of Linux From Scratch thing? Ergo, the vast majority of users have these things available to them out of the box without needing the user to do anything.

The Linux Kernel is infinitely configurable. This is how the same basic piece of software can run everything from a watch to a PDA to a PC to an enormous cluster of PCs. Linux as distributed in every distribution I've used in the last few years supports both WiFi and sound mixing out of the box.

As usual, you seem to be one of those people who once tried Slackware 10 years ago and still spout opinions based on that experience. Linux has changed immeasurably even over the last 2-3 years. Try a recent version of a good Linux distro (I recommend Ubuntu) and you'll see all that Linux of today has to offer. Yes, that includes WiFi (my laptop works out of the box) and sound mixing (my motherboard's on-board sound can play XMMS and OpenTTD simultaneously). Try it.

already slashdotted.

Maybe this will work.

But really, the programs suggested have reasonable alternates that I know of (minus autoCAD, since I haven't used that since college).

Photoshop -- gimp
itunes -- there are multiple, but i'm still content with xmms
flash -- HTML web pages. i'm not the only one browsing with flashblock on, for good reason
dreamweaver -- vi & emacs -- nuf said

Not to troll or anything, but I like my program to be able to go fullscreen without having to spend $30 or whatever on a license, thank you very much.

My favourites? mplayer, VLC, XMMS (although XMMS2 is much-needed)

XMMS didn't like it

Not being at my desktop because I'm fair away in cube land, I can atleast attest that my XMMS player that came stock with Slackware seems to do just fine with the equalizer and ogg files. I'll test it out when I get back to the bat cave. This bug seems to be what you're dealing with. Here are some comments about it.

Not being at my desktop because I'm fair away in cube land, I can atleast attest that my XMMS player that came stock with Slackware seems to do just fine with the equalizer and ogg files. I'll test it out when I get back to the bat cave. This bug seems to be what you're dealing with. Here are some comments about it.

Maybe that depends on what features I need to be productive/satisfied. Personally, I don't need anything iTunes offers that I can't get from XMMS or Helix. Although I don't do music mixing, I would try Audacity as an alternative to GarageBand.

A better example for my situation is Visio; the only alternative I know of is Dia. It has a long way to go, but I am looking into helping out by designing icon sets. For me, I'm frustrated enough by the current state of Dia (added to my desire to be GNU/Linux only) that I'm willing to help to scratch my own itch. That's just how free software should be made, I suppose.

Linux kernel - 2.2.14 or higher with the following libraries or packages:

* glibc 2.3.2 or higher
* XFree86-3.3.6 or higher
* gtk+2.0 or higher
* fontconfig (also known as xft)
* libstdc++5

"Unlike with a unix window manager, the border and titlebar are part of the graphic context of the client."

See XMMS as an example of an X Window System app that handles it's titlebar itself. The app just needs to hint to the WM that it doesn't want a titlebar...

If you have a network, and a stack 'o PIII's then you have what you need. It doesn't really matter what kind of network, as long as everything connects via TCP and has enough bandwidth for your needs.
Setup a linux server, with enough disk space for your media collection and whatever else you want to store there. Install gnumpd3 from
here: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/
Install a desktop linux distro on the machines in each room. Aim a web browser from any machine at the URL of the gnump3d server and viola! you have music from your collection on demand in any room!
Streaming radio style music is easy as well. Install icecast from here:http://www.icecast.org/
and aim the xmms player from here: http://www.xmms.org/ and you have streaming media! woohoo!
If you want to control a distribution system that plays the same songs things get more complicated, you'll need Apple computer's RTSP server and some client software to get everything sync'd throughout the house.
I use secure shell from my zaurus wireless pda and mpg123 and aumix to operate this from a pocket sized device. For everything else I just browse the music library with gnump3d's web interface. FWIW, I use SuSE linux. It came with all the above except for the Darwin Stream Server (or whatever it is that Apple calls it these days). I had to download and compile the icecast source, but what the heck, it wasn't to hard to do either.

HTH

XMMS stocking?

"I just wish they had a version for Linux..."

"they" do!.

"I just wish they had a version for Linux..."

"they" do!.

what other MP3 players out there have the same functionality as winamp

Well, there is XMMS... Zinf... to name a couple... Zinf has a windows version...

I wonder what this means for people who paid for it?

In the beginning winamp was free, but you could pay for extras or support. Then it went completely freely distributable.

Now I notice that there is the Winamp 5 Pro which again becomes a paid piece of software.

I've not bought it, but I wonder what people paid for. More features? Upgrades? Support?

I'm still using Winamp 2.x which works well on my work desktop - at home I'm xmms all the way - even if there are a few irritations.

XMMS instead. It is compatible with Winamp skins and is Open Source. Hurrah!

http://www.xmms.org/

It's there, but it's not located anwyhere that is easily (or at all) found from the www.xmms.org page - the place I finally found it by searching on Google is on the site, but doesn't seem to actually be linked anywhere that I can see. And even then it's only for RH 8 & 9.

http://havardk.xmms.org/dist/xmms-1.2.7-rh8-rh9-rp m/

If you have a better link, feel free to share. Personally, this whole mp3 issue may be something silly, but it was annoying enough that i've already switched back to Mandrake (and Gentoo soon, hopefully) before finding this.

Yes, in fact they did.

Some of it comes with the base debian install:

GCC,G++
<flamewar>vim/emacs</flamewar>
links-ssl/curl-ssl-wget
ssh
Perl

Then a whole lotta debs for Gnome/KDE...

Then the actual desktop GUI:
GDM
IceWM
Idesk
Endeavour 2


Then the base apps
Anjuta (C++ IDE)
Gedit Notepad
Mplayer + plugins
XMMS + plugins
ALSA framework
Frozen Bubble!
the GIMP
Open Office
Thunderbird+Firefox
GAIM
Gnome-meeting

And the latest 2.6.x kernel

I've created a CD which will give you all the above in one disk. Automatic installations. Just create a linux/swap partition, and it will install to the largest available 'nix partition, also adding any windows partitions to the lilo.conf

ALSA Sound support is ready (though you must edit /etc/modules with whatever soundcard module you have)

X GUI starts in SVGA mode (best to xf86config and choose your GUI)
USB mouse support through /dev/input/mice

I'm considering putting it up online, but at about 620MB for the ISO I'd need some decent hosting space for that. So far we're using it at work to convert windows desktops to dual-boot... it's XP themes so the windows lusers can figure it out rather easily.

It's also configured to build the base menu structure when a user logs in... and idesk will mount a CD+browse with endeavour on doubleclick, or unmount+eject on a right-click.

Yes, multimedia is certainly something we'd like the desktop to do well. However, it's not realistic to expect comprehensive multimedia support from a Linux desktop today with open source software. It's a very difficult and costly problem to solve comprehensively. There are some positive signs, such as helix community, but you don't really have a single piece of software that does it all as well as the Windows variants.

Ummm...I'm not sure how to respond to this. How about mplayer? That has to be the best movie player I have ever used. And didn't it receive some sort of award recently? Or how about Xine?

Let's see...what else? The GStreamer framework is coming along nicely and will probably mature before the end of the year. There are several audio players available, some more usable than others, though. There are also more specialized programs like the Bedevilled Audio System. So I would hardly say linux is deficient in multimedia software.

It gives you a FreeDB-driven web-based playlist manager and controls a running XMMS process. The XMMS Oddcast DSP plugin lets it shout to a local Icecast server so you can listen locally or remotely.

I also like the Crossfade plugin, for smooth transitions between songs.

It gives you a FreeDB-driven web-based playlist manager and controls a running XMMS process. The XMMS Oddcast DSP plugin lets it shout to a local Icecast server so you can listen locally or remotely.

I also like the Crossfade plugin, for smooth transitions between songs.

The commercial / non-commercial isn't the reason - it's that mp3 is a proprietary format, and Fedora is still backed by RedHat. Royalty issues for mp3 have been talked about before on slashdot, and I don't see RedHat giving the nod to distributing mp3 decoders in Fedora any more than in the RedHat Enterprise distributions. It's the same as distributing the NTFS modules. New Fedora releases shouldn't effect this decision.

Just grab XMMS RPMS for Fedora from their home page and let RedHat worry about what they distribute. NTFS module RPMS are available as well.

Anyone know where I can get WinAMP for OS X or Linux?

Here's a nearly perfect clone of Nullsoft's Winamp media player for *BSD and */Linux operating systems. It may work in Mac OS X under an X11 server.

Windows
You can rip to Ogg using CDex and play using Winamp.

Linux
You can rip to Ogg using Grip and playing using XMMS

What the hell? I couldn't bear using iTunes. It's bloated and featureless. Its sole purpose is to help me steal music over the school network with the assistance of MyTunes.

I use EphPod to put music on my iPod. When I'm using GNU/Linux, XMMS is my musical staple. If I'm booted into Windows, I'll use WinAMP 2.x to play my music over iTunes every time. iTunes has shitty encoding options - it doesn't even come close to EAC with LAME or whatever your encoder of choice is. However, my biggest complaint about iTunes is its insatiable hunger for resources and slow response. Plus, it takes up half my screen, has zero customisability and I can't find a half-decent visualisation for it anyway.

Good software, my eye.

The jukebox is killer, but the main reason I did all this was to permanently archive my CD collection. In the event it was destroyed or stolen, I would still have the master digital copies.

I don't think you need to use all that fancy database-driven jukebox software that he suggests in the article. I use plain old XMMS in random/repeat mode, usually with every song from every CD in the playlist (this is guaranteed to impress the guests). If you structure your directory tree by music category (rock, jazz, new age, etc) then you can easily select playlists by category.

Of course, you will need a large hard disk in order to do this. I have one 120GB main disk, and another one for backup (yes I know it's not the most reliable backup solution), but large disks are getting so cheap that I'll probably buy another one for redundancy.

Anyone want to buy a 5-disc CD changer?

Why in the world would you want WinAmp under Linux?

xmms is far better and has all the functionality of WinAmp through the dozens of plugins available.

xmms has amazing sound, works natively with all of the kernel sound routines and actively whips the llama's ass.

X11Amp, now XMMS, probably because of some lawsuit.

Actually, I'd suggest that for a music playe with a good GUI you should look at Rhythmbox.

The current XMMS release is Gtk1 only (boo!) although it is being rewritten from the ground upwards. However, somebody has make a Gtk2 fork of the current XMMS codebase, named Beep which is looking pretty decent.

I would agree with the original post. JuK looks hideous. However, hideous is not unusable which I would say is the most important point. Still, we'd all be Gucci models if we could.

What makes Xmms simple is its plug-in arcitecture, not its features. I'm too lazy to count, but Xmms is complicated, its just well designed.

For a music player with a good GUI and lots of functionality XMMS is the Linux king. Unfortuantaly it doesn't do everything and I can't buy music through it, but its fast, supports more sound and image plugins then you can shake a stick at and has a sharp, skinnable GUI and works better then anything I've been able to use on my Windows pc here at work.

Xmms is a shining example of OSS quality software and like I'd imagine iTunes is, its a real pleasure to use.

MusicMatch sucks... Winamp for Windows and XMMS for Linux.

Everything else is worthless.

and for ripping CDs use CDex

and for burning... is it too fucking much to ask for you to use Nero? Is it too hard for you? At least EZCD? c'mon people.

FAQ Question 12

It's a little tricky but it will work

These are some of the free (speech or beer) software I'd install on a family, non-gaming machine:

• Web Browser: Mozilla or Mozilla Firebird
• E-mail: Mozilla (cross-platform), Mozilla Thunderbird (cross-platform), Evolution (Gnome), or KMail (KDE)
• Office Suite: OpenOffice.org
• Media Player: QuickTime (Windows), Zinf (cross-platform), RealPlayer (cross-platform), WinAmp (Windows), MPlayer (Windows), XMMS (Linux)
• Image Viewer: IrfanView (Windows)
• Instant Messaging: Gaim (cross-platform)
• Personal Information Management: Palm Desktop Software (great PIM suite even if you don't own a Palm)
• Other: Acrobat Reader (although I'm weary of their DRM), Java 2 Runtime Environment, Macromedia Flash and Shockwave players, Ad-Aware (spyware remover for Windows), ZoneAlarm, Sygate Personal Firewall (firewall, alternative to ZoneAlarm), Grisoft AVG Anti-Virus, FileZilla, WinRAR (not free, shareware with nag window), Ofoto desktop software (basic photo album and touch-ups, even if you don't use Ofoto's online services)

Some other software I'd install on my own desktop (dev), in decreasing order of importance:

• Cygwin, bascially all packages
• UltraEdit32 (45-day trial shareware)
• TightVNC
• Ghostscript and GSView
• Java 2 SDK
• Eclipse
• Borland JBuilder Personal
• ActiveState Perl, Python, Tcl/Tk (yes, even though they are in Cygwin), Jython
• GIMP
• POV-Ray
• At least one of Apache, Tomcat, or Plone (Zope)
• HTTrack (a website copier)

AOL allows you to get "content" that you wouldn't be able to get anywhere else.
Gator allows all sorts of useful searching and ads on your computer.
MSN explorer A very nice web browser that takes over your whole web experience.
Webshots is a very nice background rotator that hogs bandwidth and proccesor time and whaterver else it does.
Weatherbug is a handy little sys-tray app that shows the weather, and watches your every move.


So if you are willing to listen to all the "help" given here on /. You will have the buggiest bulkiest computer there is.

Although some essential programs include...
xmms,Mozilla (most incarnations are great), Gimp (The best FREE image editor)
Also check out Easy URPMI for obtaining linux software.

Outside of Office software, Audacity is a great free audio editor

SciTE or the java-based Jedit are good text editors.

The GIMP is a good image editor, available here for Windows.

Mozilla or one of its components for mail/web browsing

For media playing you might want to try Zinf (formerly FreeAmp), Foobar2000 (nice light weight music player), WinAMP for Windows. MPlayer is a good video player for Linux (and Windows) and XMMS is a capable music player for Linux.

Celestia is a nice space exploration program.

Jabber is good for instant messaging or Trillian or GAIM if you need to chat on MSN, AIM, ICQ etc.

GNUCash is a capable accounting program.

Oh yeah, and for email, I suggest setting up an IMAP server on an old machine and using that to store your email. This can be quite difficult, though allows you to browse your email from Linux and Windows. Thunderbird is rock solid and good even though only in the early stages of development.

For the Linux side anyway, my apologies if you already know about some of these, just throwing them out there. Also some of these have windows versions (Mozilla, Open Office, GAIM, Thunderbird, Firebird, etc).

Email - Evolution, Mozilla Mail, or Thunderbird

If you want something that looks like Outlook (and even acts like it in most places) use Evolution. Mozilla Mail is included in Mozilla and Thunderbird is like Firebird, but for mail.

WWW - Mozilla or Firebird

These 2 you can't really go wrong with. Also for good measure make sure lynx is installed for console web browsing

IM - GAIM
THere's also Everybuddy, but I perfer GAIM

Office - Open Office or KOffice
Open Office is slightly more well rounded but KOffice is pretty slick IMHO.

Media - XMMS, mPlayer, Winamp
Everyone knows Winamp for MP3s on Windows. XMMS is a Winamp like program for Linux. mPlayer is for movies (and also audio) that plays MOST formats.

Use the following links to research
Mozilla, Firebird, and Thunderbird
GAIM
XMMS
mPlayer
Open Office
Evolution and other Ximian products

Hope this was helpful.

My Personal Opinions (Apps I can think of):

Mozilla Thunderbird: Email client that's still in Alpha but has never given me one problem.

Mozilla Firebird: Greatest web browser around today. Here are some reasons why.

Krusader/Windows Commander: Great file managers. Windows Commander is (obviously) the windows original and Krusader is the KDE based *nix one.

Open Office: You already mentioned this one

GAIM: Best IM client avaliable (I know this isn't exactly productivity software).

AVG Anti-Virus : Free non-commerical use anti-virus.

PuTTY: Telnet/SSH/Rlogin, everything you need for remote access.

XMMS/Winamp: Media Players

I am still looking for good financial software. Microsoft Money is the best I've found so far.
cuban

I completely agree with the above poster's advice. Add in:
OpenOffice 1.1
and
Winamp 2.x for audio/video usage in Windows, or
XMMS 1.8 for audio/video usage in Linux.

I've actually gotten my hands on the installable beta. The install seems pretty decent. It's easy, and it leaves your windows drives alone, unless you tell it otherwise. Everything is extremely simple, with a little "detailed" button you can click, if you are an experienced user.

I was surprised to see that the installation automatically detected and installed the wireless network adapter on my laptop, something I haven't seen any other distribution do (even though the driver is ready in the kernel).

The rest of the installation went flawless (except for a hitch with starsuite, which for some reason was in chinese, but I'll leave that to the beta-testers).

For some reason SUN has decided to provide the Java Media Player as the default media player. This would be just fine, if it in any way matched with the overall system design, or if it could play all media, but a simple test proved that it couldn't even play a standard (if such a thing exists) divx file. It worked fine with Ogg Vorbis and mpeg though. I wasn't able to find a dvd-player, xmms wasn't installed, and I could find no other media players besides the already mentioned java media player. If they want to win on the desktop, one thing SUN seriously needs is the capability to play media files using a pretty functional player (xmms for music is the obvious choice).

The entire desktop is seemingly a clone of the basic windows desktop with "this computer", "Documents", "Network Places" and "Trash". Exactly as I remember windows, just with slightly altered names. You even have a control panel (called preferences) in "This Computer".

Another problem I will leave to the beta testers is the fact that my DVD-drive is both mounted as cdrom and dvd, and thus also shown as two icons.

All in all a slick O/S, though with a few bumps which are hopefully straightened out through beta-testing, with a very bad choice of multimedia player (If anyone from SUN read this, go punch the guy who chose java media player in the stomache, and point him to xmms, mplayer and xine instead!).