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Pentium Throws a Fastball

phillippaxton writes: "Abner Doubleday lives in the 21st century. Two mechanical engineers have gotten together and created what may be the perfect pitching machine, powered by a P3 850MHz computer. Using an eight-axis industrial robot, it has the ability to throw practically any pitch within the strike zone. Custom-built software enables you to choose the type of pitch by pointing at a touch-screen, setting the speed, location, handedness, as well as fastball, curveball, slider, slurve, changeup, cutter, sinker, splitfinger fastball or knuckleball. There's also a database of 2500 preset pitches in a database."

147 comments

  1. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    If the top one is faster, there will be top spin on the ball -- making it a curveball.

    Nope, that's a sinker. Curveball has lateral spin away from the pitching arm (slider is towards the pitching arm).

  2. Re:Great. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd still like to see how a machine gets a knuckleball in the strike zone every time ;)

  3. Re:Sorry, "pitching" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Pitching" is a baseball term. Unless you say "pitching a tent." Then it means you have a "woody." Unless, of course, you are talking about "camping." Then it means something else, entirely.

  4. Re:The real innovation here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    At a Microsoft PDC last year or the year before they demonstrated a file system implemented inside a SQL Server table. The BLOB contained a filesystem. Inside this filesystem, they created a SQL Server instance. Viola: A database in a database.

  5. Great. by Wakko+Warner · · Score: 5
    Until a floating-point error causes it to bean Mike Piazza.

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    1. Re:Great. by rnturn · · Score: 2
      ``Until a floating-point error causes it to bean Mike Piazza.''

      Seeing as how I generally root against any New York teams, I want to say ``You say that as though it would be a bad thing.''. But that wouldn't be very nice. Oops! Too late!

      On a more serious note, (assuming that pitching machines with `Intel Inside' can actually be serious) wouldn't it be interesting to be able to program this thing to pitch like whatever pitcher you would be facing that day? Batting practice would more interesting. By the time you faced the real pitcher, you'd have already ``virtually'' batted against him instead of some third string reliever. Heck you could bat against pitchers who've long retired (spend the morning batting against Nolan Ryan v1.3.1).
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    2. Re:Great. by BJTiso · · Score: 1

      both, i think ted nugent was in damn yankees

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    3. Re:Great. by schulzdogg · · Score: 2
      On a more serious note, (assuming that pitching machines with `Intel Inside' can actually be serious) wouldn't it be interesting to be able to program this thing to pitch like whatever pitcher you would be facing that day? Batting practice would more interesting. By the time you faced the real pitcher, you'd have already ``virtually'' batted against him instead of some third string reliever. Heck you could bat against pitchers who've long retired (spend the morning batting against Nolan Ryan v1.3.1).

      It's been done., read the article it's really cool.

    4. Re:Great. by Golias · · Score: 1

      For that matter, every beer-league ball player would really get a kick out of paying a couple bucks at the amusement park to see what hitting against somebody like Nomo would really be like. You could even program it to mix up the pitches according to who you want to have catching for him.

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    5. Re:Great. by Golias · · Score: 2

      And if you start hitting well against it after about 60 pitches, a robot Tom Kelly comes out, takes the ball away, and calls for the Eddie Guardado machine. :)

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    6. Re:Great. by dslbrian · · Score: 2

      and what the article forgot to mention was that in the machines third revision, they're going to add a couple more motors so it can spit tobacco and scratch itself... hey realism counts here!

  6. OMG by Have+Blue · · Score: 2

    throw obscure_reference

    I hope they name the prototype Spencer Talos.

  7. Re:Man vs. Machine by bluGill · · Score: 2

    First of all there is cost. Every carpenter I know owns a handsaw. For small cuts I will take a handsaw over a power saw anyday for speed, and thats even when the power saw is already pluged in! I've seen it over and over again: the handsaw is faster then the power saw. Of course there are two things to note: the hand saw user cannot do a second cut at near the speed, so the power saw wins in endurance. Also, not all cuts qualify, I'm thinking of very selected cuts where the fastest tool is a handsaw. (this applies to both metal and wood working)

    There are still farmers today who farm entiely without tractors in an area where tractors are avaiable. They love their horses (oxen, donkeys, ...) enough that the slow speed is worth it. I'm not talking about Amish or others who do it for religion reasons, there are normal people who's hobby is farming with animals.

    Baseball does not allow (or at least didn't) instant replys in the game. What the umpire sees is what is, even if the ump really is blind. Football allows them. Compare and you will soon notice that replays are a major factor in almost every play in football. I prefer baseball's approach even though it means teams have lost because of the umps error. Part of the game is the human error. I'm not claiming either way is better mind you, make your own decision.

  8. Re:Man vs. Machine by Jason+Earl · · Score: 2

    Fah! We might as well use a cannon instead of a pitcher as well. In fact, I am sure that with a little engineering we could get a supersonic fastball. We might need to replace the catcher, but that shouldn't be hard as you wouldn't need to worry about errant pitches. We should also consider arming the first basemen with battle-axes. That way if a hitter does manage to connect with the ball the first baseman can make sure that the poor fool doesn't make it to first base. Heck, why not just give all the players automatic weapons and see which team has the most players standing at the end of nine innings.

    This is precisely the reason why there are rules to baseball. Everyone knows that you could have better pitchers just by letting them spit on the ball. But the point is the competition. Someone somewhere along the way decided that spitting on the balls was illegal (for whatever reason), and so now hitters don't have to worry about "spitballs." The rules may be strange (and sometimes fairly arbitrary), but folks like to watch and play baseball, and the rules allow the game to proceed fairly. Mixing in a robot pitcher may be great for hitting practice, but it would almost certainly be against the rules for competition, and since it wouldn't really be that fun to watch it almost certainly won't ever become legal.

  9. Re:Man vs. Machine by arielb · · Score: 1

    ahahaha don't you know anything about baseball? The pitcher has to be able to _field_ the ball -not just throw the ball to the batter.

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  10. Re:Nope, Not Cartwright, Either by waldoj · · Score: 1

    Agreed. I'd like to hope that baseball isn't the sort of game where somebody sat down one day and came up with it. Didn't we all invent Calvinball-type games? The best ones involved hitting balls with sticks and running around, IMHO. Baseball seems like a natural occurrence.

    -Waldo

  11. Nope, Not Cartwright, Either by waldoj · · Score: 2

    Nope, not Cartwright, either. (Unless he came up with the rules as an infant. :) See this weekend's story on this topic, "Early Reference to Baseball Found."

    -Waldo

    1. Re:Nope, Not Cartwright, Either by Rupert · · Score: 2

      And "invented" is too strong of a term. The evolution from the childrens game of rounders is obvious to anyone who's ever seen both.

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  12. Re:Is it really a faithful reproduction? by general_re · · Score: 4

    We will not have the perfect pitching robot until it also scratchs itself for a minute and a half in between pitches.

    Come on. It's got to do much more than that to be the perfect pitching robot. It has to be able to show up at spring training 200 pounds overweight yet still bitch about "only" making $6 million a year. It has to be a named defendant in at least one paternity suit. It has to be able to snort cocaine for years, come close to blowing its entire career, and then suddenly find Jesus.

    This thing's still got a long way to go.

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  13. Re:The real innovation here... by rnturn · · Score: 5
    ``Viola: A database in a database.''

    I think you actually meant to say:

    ``Viola: The beefier cousin of the violin.''

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  14. Re:3/4 by Loligo · · Score: 1

    >How do do hit the ball and not smash the machine
    >throwing it?

    I'd assume it's somewhat like a regular batting machine and sits behind a shield of some kind.

    Not exactly rocket science...

    -l

  15. Re:hmmm.... by ethereal · · Score: 3

    See, robots could never replace real ballplayers, because mankind doesn't have the technology to build a robot as ugly as Randy Johnson :)

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  16. Actually a good challenge by swb · · Score: 1

    That'd be a great challenge -- who could outdo who and still stay within the "rules" of baseball, and maybe the limits of human ability/perception.

    It'd be interesting to know if a really good pitcher is always better than a really good batter, or vice-versa.

  17. Re:Specs by anomaly · · Score: 2

    Whatever the market will bear.

    Baseball is BIG business. The value of a product is determined by the perceived value to the one who has the funds.

    My guess is that they will sell quite a few of these. Good for them. I hope that they are very successful.

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  18. Makes the home run derby more interesting... by Jowey · · Score: 1

    I'm all for the purity of baseball; the homerun derby is simply eye-candy for all the rainy day fans. But anyone who watched the derby monday night who knew anything about baseball would have noticed that the pitching coaches made a huge difference in how it turned out. Sammy Sosa went with a pitching coach of his choice in the first round and barely moved on with only 3 homers. In the second round he chose to use someone else's coach and smacked 8 dingers. Obviously, the difference in pitching helped him out. With a machine like this, we could guarantee all the batters would be fairly pitched to.

  19. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by dar · · Score: 1
    "sediment"

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  20. Re:Newsradio? by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

    If by this you men the episode where Catherine convinces Bill to use a bunch of ridiculously fake "street-talk" in his racially offensive malt-liquor commercials, then no. This is not that episode, although this episode does reference that episode. Catherine tells Bill: "Wazzup, y'all" is seriously dated and that today's cool street people greet one another "Gazziza!" In the "Space" episode, Bill and Catherine greet one another: "Gazziza, Bill." "Gazizza, Catherine." Also very funny...

    Anyone know all the words to Bill's "misinformed" Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor ad? I remember it was hilarious. It had a line like "It has the zazzapy gazmossis that will keep your feet stinkin' all night long" or something like that. The mix of badly phony "hip" words with absurd variants of real "street" reinterpretations (think "keep your feet stinkin'" as being like "down with that," or "you bad") was just plain hilarious...

  21. Newsradio? by evilpenguin · · Score: 5

    I immediately thought of the Newsradio "Space" episode. Joe is thawed out in the far future and immediately asks who won the World Series since he went into hibernation. I forget the exact words, but it was something like "In 2021 it was the Yankees, 2022 the Braves, 2023 the Robots, '24 the Robots, Robots, Robots...."

    Made me laugh...

    1. Re:Newsradio? by dsfergus · · Score: 1
      Was this the 'gazunga my gadingas' episode?

      Man that was a great line.

      Phil Hartman was good.

    2. Re:Newsradio? by bartle · · Score: 1

      Beth: "Sure you can handle this? You have been frozen for a long time, technology has progressed a long way since then.

      Joe: "No problem. No matter how far technology gets, it's all just a bunch of wires connected to other wires.

      Beth: "Then what's taking you so long?"

      Joe: "Can't seem to find any wires."

      News Radio was such a fun show, it's a shame it started sucking in the end and got cancelled. It's also a shame NBC insisted on rotating it's timeslot every few weeks. But we'll have their bizarre quotes for the rest of time, no matter how imprecisely they're quoted.

  22. No 8-axis Industrial Robot! by FatSean · · Score: 2

    The abstract here intimated that it was a robot arm or something. I was all excited to see a robot arm and hand controlled to simulate a real pitcher's arm. What do I get? Same ol' auto-pitcher technology with a little extra control grafted on. Cool, yes, but seems a little like bait-and-switch to me. What do they pay the editors here for?!

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  23. Re:Age of Spiritual Machines by hugg · · Score: 4


    They still haven't made a computer that can hit the ball... this requires significantly more smarts to do in the general case.

  24. Robotic Batter by sys$manager · · Score: 1

    Now all we need is a robotic batter. We could network the two together and eliminate humans all together.

    1. Re:Robotic Batter by kbeast · · Score: 1

      haven't you seen Terminator? Its coming soon...sooner than you think

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  25. Re:Is it really a faithful reproduction? by Basje · · Score: 1

    It has to be able to show up at spring training 200 pounds overweight ...

    Geeesh. And it already weighs 2,700 pounds.

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  26. Re:Specs by generic-man · · Score: 1

    So? People pay $7 million for pitchers who can't pitch anywhere near that consistently. Just look at the Mets. :)

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  27. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by MrCreosote · · Score: 1

    Padding in football? Oh, you mean that "sport" americans call football. Real football players (Aussie rules, Rugby League | Union) dont wear padding or helmets.

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  28. Re:Man vs. Machine by Flounder · · Score: 1
    I'm a die-hard baseball fan (GO TRIBE!) and I have no interest in seeing a robot pitcher. Being a pitcher is more than pitching exactly where you want the ball to go.

    It's intimidating the batter, being intimidated by the batter. It's watching a pitcher go 7 innings, after throwing 100+ pitches, tiring out but still throwing 95mph fastballs. It's Clemens throwing chunks of bat at Piazza. It's waiting for some batter to go after Pedro Martinez, bat in hand (God, I hate Pedro!)

    You can't compare baseball to plowing a field, or making crayons. Baseball is sports entertainment, not work. And Battlebots/Robot Wars/Robotica don't count. Those are not robots, they're glorified remote control cars.

    Now, the idea of human sized and shaped, fully automatic, non R/C robots fighting ala WWF, that might get my interest. But mostly for watching how the bots are built.

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  29. Re:Age of Spiritual Machines by pq · · Score: 2
    They still haven't made a computer that can hit the ball... this requires significantly more smarts to do in the general case.

    Oh come, come! If Rummy and Dick can get the Pentagon to produce a missile defence, how hard would it be to adapt the system to hitting fastballs? Who knows, this might even make missile defence against an imaginary adversary worthwhile! :-P

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  30. Re:The real innovation here... by jlowery · · Score: 1

    It's a metadatabase.

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  31. oof by woj · · Score: 1

    i'd hate to see it's fork ball...

    1. Re:oof by Issac_Hayes · · Score: 1

      That's funny!!

  32. Specs by pnatural · · Score: 4

    are here. note the $175,000 pricetag and the $18,000 maintenance fee. must be former IBM engineers. :)

  33. 3/4 by kajoob · · Score: 4

    I've batted against this thing at the Vet in Philly where they have one set up, and I must say that is extremely realistic in that if you can see the pitches hand and you can watch for the seams instead of the old goofy BP balls. The only complaint is every pitcher and ever pitch has the same release. Like the article says there is no 3/4 release and there are no sidearm or submariners, but on the whole it's an amazing device and mixes up the pitches well. If you're near a ballpark in your hometown, I recommend trying it.

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    1. Re:3/4 by psxndc · · Score: 1
      Cool. I'm glad someone has tried one of these. My question is: How do do hit the ball and not smash the machine throwing it? Seriously, you don't want to whack a ball 90 mph back at the thing's LCD. How does this aspect work?

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    2. Re:3/4 by psxndc · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought, I just didn't know if clear display of the pitcher and a large vertical opening would play a part in it. Conventional pitching machines have one hole the pitch comes out of. This on, though it has one hole, may need to move the initial location up and down depensding on the pitch. I guess two plexiglass shields would work... hmmm...

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    3. Re:3/4 by C.+Tengo+Hambre · · Score: 1

      The guy who did the assuming is not the guy who claimed to hit against it. Bonehead.

  34. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by aonifer · · Score: 5

    I have to disagree with the sediment. I think they mix quite well.

    That's not a very concrete response.

  35. Re:Futurama flashback... by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    OMG! What are you smoking? King of The Hill is the worst piece of animated trash I've ever seen! It makes Beavis and Butthead look intelectual!

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  36. Re:The real innovation here... by warpSpeed · · Score: 1

    hmmm, where is the the moderation option when I need it...

  37. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by AugstWest · · Score: 2

    padding? in baseball?

  38. NEWS FLASH! by -=[+SYRiNX+]=- · · Score: 1

    NEWS FLASH! Pentium Pitching Machine denied nomination to Hall of Fame after emery board found in power supply!

    The Pitching Machine denied comment, but said it planned to retire to a life of embittered interviews with Bob Costas and lousy commercial promotions.

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  39. Sorry, "pitching" ? by innit · · Score: 1

    It might help us off-worlders if you actually made at least one reference to the subject to which the term "pitching" is applicable.

    Is it that lame game that's like Rounders?

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  40. Futurama flashback... by szcx · · Score: 4

    Bender: Clem Johnson? That sack of skin wouldn't have lasted one pitch in the old Robot Leagues. Now, Wireless Joe Jackson, there was a blern-hitting machine.
    Leela: Exactly. He was a machine designed to hit blerns. I mean, come on, Wireless Joe was nothing but a programmable bat on wheels.
    Bender: Oh, and I suppose Pitch-O-Mat 5000 was just a modified Howitzer?
    Leela: Yep.
    Bender: You know, you humans are so scared of a little robot competition you won't even let us on the field.

    1. Re:Futurama flashback... by tmark · · Score: 2

      You know, I just cannot understand how people can find Futurama funny. I have watched it several times, most recently this past weekend (it was an episode with the Harlem Globetrotters), each time promising myself to give it a chance. Each time I found myself gagging and thinking Futurama made the Dilbert TV cartoon look good. Now 'King of the Hill', *that* show is funny.

  41. All strikes? by d-man · · Score: 2
    ...it has the ability to throw practically any pitch within the strike zone.

    If all this thing can throw is strikes, any half-decent batter should be able to smack the crap out of it. The reason good pitchers are good is because they get the batter to swing at stuff they just can't hit.

    The way this season is going, they'll probably get this robot into the Mets' bullpen. :(

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  42. So? by supabeast! · · Score: 2

    Ok, I admit, this is kind of cool. If I was a baseball player, I might even buy one to practice with. But what it really boils down to is this; baseball is boring enough as is, does anyone REALLY want to sit around watching a robot throw out pitches?

  43. Baseball? pah! by epeus · · Score: 2

    When they make one that can do leg-spin and offspin and throw a Googly they'll have something to show off about.

    1. Re:Baseball? pah! by e4 · · Score: 1
      > When they make one that can do leg-spin and offspin and throw a Googly they'll have something to show off about.

      I'd settle for seeing it throw an ephus pitch.

  44. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by lalas · · Score: 1
    I know it wasn't ACTUALLY steroids, but a nutritional supplement that has the same effect as steroids: it builds muscle mass and power

    They don't build muscle mass and power, the hours that McGwire puts into strength training do that. The supplements are no good if you are just sitting on the couch. By the way, not many of McGwires HRs would have been in play even if you took 10 feet off them.

  45. Every team should have one. by magicsquid · · Score: 1

    I heard about this machine right after spring training. The article specifically mentions the Cleveland Indians as having used the machine. Marty Cordova, an outfielder for the Indians, was a significant user of the machine before and after practice, and he attributes the machine to helping him get back into his prior form. With the help of the extra batting practive from this machine he was able to raise his batting average by 93 points so far over last year.

    What I don't understand is why every major league team doesn't have one of these machines. Why will they pay a player $20 Million per season, but won't invest in a $200 K machine that will help make EVERY one of their players better?

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    1. Re:Every team should have one. by krugdm · · Score: 1

      ESPN has a story about Marty Cordova here which has got some interesting stuff about "Abner" as well.

  46. Hand me a straw... by ThesQuid · · Score: 1

    Are they going to make available an accessory to inject some spit onto the ball?
    Perhaps they could experiment to find the best adulterant to create really wild pitches!

  47. Pitches included in the 2500 pitch database? by Fastball · · Score: 2
    Does this include the repetoire of those Triple-A pitchers posing as major leaguers on expansion team rosters? Hell, you can accomplish this with a rubber batting tee. Does the 2500 pitch database include the Rick Ankiel heave to the backstop? What about the Nuke Laloosh "hit the bull" pitch? Can it scuff the baseball a la Mike Scott?

    But seriously, what about the spitball?

  48. Newspaper clipping from the future... by Fastball · · Score: 2

    Cincinnati, OH- Two Reds pitchers were placed on this disabled list today. Johnny Johnson was placed on the 60-day DL with a blow tendon in his pitching elbow. Johnson is scheduled to undergo Tommy John surgery tomorrow. Linus Blazer, the phenom pitching robot, was placed on the 15-day DL to upgrade its repetoire. Blazer is scheduled to undergo a ./configure; make; make install Thursday.

  49. What about an umpire? by xTown · · Score: 1

    The thing is, it's not up to a computer to determine where the strike zone is. It's up to the umpire. Different umps call the zone more tightly or more loosely than other umps. What's going to happen when this thing throws a fastball to the outside corner and the ump calls it a ball? Who wins, computer or umpire?

    1. Re:What about an umpire? by benogod · · Score: 1

      Umpire

  50. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by e4 · · Score: 1

    In fact, aluminum bats are used all the way from t-ball to triple-A.

    I can't find any documentation to confirm or refute your claim, but I don't believe aluminum bats are used in MLB-affiliated minor leagues.

    High school, college and probably some independent pro/semi-pro leagues allow aluminum, but I'm pretty sure you won't find metal bats in the minors. And I know only wooden bats were allowed at the Sydney Olympics.

    But I could be wrong. Somebody back one of us up!

  51. Re:Man vs. Machine by BradleyUffner · · Score: 2

    I always thought the sport would be a lot more interesting if everyone had a bat, and was allowed to use it as they see fit.
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  52. All we need now is... by dsginter · · Score: 3

    All we need now is a robotic batter. Baseball has never been so much fun!

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      With genetic engineering, maybe they can make kryptonite garlic.

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  53. Re:P3 really? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 2
    Uhm...think about it. You are building a machine that is going to cost $175k and will have small total sales. Do you

    (a) pick the processor that supports OSes and tools you are familiar with and can easily get and that will let you do all your initial software development on your existing computers, or

    (b) try to save $200 per unit by going with a cheaper processor that requires tools you aren't familiar with, and new development systems?

  54. Re:Except For One Small Thing... by Jbrecken · · Score: 1

    If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading in American History class about Native Americans playing a form of baseball when European settlers began coming to the "New World". Playing with a stick as a bat and a ball made from some sort of filled leather "ball".

    That's lacrosse.
    Totally different sport.

  55. Re:P3 really? by KingAdrock · · Score: 1

    I'm sure for the actually pitching part of the machine an 850 Mhz machine isn't needed. But for the graphics and to reproduce the finger position of the pitcher you need a little bit more horsepower!

  56. Is it really a faithful reproduction? by Galvatron · · Score: 3
    We will not have the perfect pitching robot until it also scratchs itself for a minute and a half in between pitches.

    God, I hate baseball.

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    1. Re:Is it really a faithful reproduction? by 2Bits · · Score: 1
      Yeah, must be able to chew two bags of gums in one mouthful and spit two yards too.

  57. Re:Man vs. Machine by ebh · · Score: 2
    What is the intrigue of seeing someone pitch a baseball, now, in a fashion that we know is not the best?

    It's not whether a pitcher is/isn't the best, but when.

    There's baseball as hitting and pitching, then there's baseball the game. Machines might make better pitchers or hitters, but they won't improve the game just by doing what they do better than any human could.

  58. Re:P3 really? by Uberminky · · Score: 1

    Or better yet a DSP. I'd like to see a GHz Pentium 3 that can smoke a DSP a quarter the clock speed. Obviously they're best at what they do, but it sounds like this is exactly what DSPs do best.

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  59. Ahem by maxxon · · Score: 1

    We all do understand that the functionality of the robot has nothing to do with the fact that it's running on a Pentium, right? It's about software, not hardware.

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  60. Apple came up with a competing product: by Mr_Icon · · Score: 2

    Their G4-powered iPitcher is oriented at minor league players and throws perfect goofballs, which come out in graphite, flower power, and blue dalmatian variety.

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    1. Re:Apple came up with a competing product: by Anomynous+Cowerd · · Score: 1

      No..... Apple's product throws cricket balls and nobody can remember when it was first developed.... They are suing Intel over stealing their idea.


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  61. Finally! by thouse6 · · Score: 1

    Finally I now have a reason to watch baseball. Look out for the blue screen of death changeup.

  62. The real innovation here... by jcoleman · · Score: 3
    ...is the database within a database:

    There's also a database of 2500 preset pitches in a database.

    I've been trying to figure out for years how to include a database as a field in another database. How'd they do it?

    1. Re:The real innovation here... by gowen · · Score: 2
      `Viola: The beefier cousin of the violin.'
      Surely he means:

      "Viola, Frank: Left handed starting pitcher who led the Twins to the 1987 World Series"

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    2. Re:The real innovation here... by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      I've been trying to figure out for years how to include a database as a field in another database. How'd they do it?

      Multidimensional databases have been getting close to this sort of thing for ages (I have a friend who is profoundly expert in these things, I am not) Considering that they were originally systems designed to be multiuser multitasking, etc with true real time queries; and there are versions of this that run on an XT with decent performance [shrug] So you tounge in cheek question has a semi serious answer.

      Check out the Vinny the Vampire comic strip

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    3. Re:The real innovation here... by onepoint · · Score: 1

      I think, the best way to picture the nesting ( i think that's the right word ) is to use this example.

      3 high file cabinet, place a safe withing that has a rolodex. You have 1 dimentions of the file cabinetS (top middle bottom) , within 1 cabinet another location that has a the rolodex 26 dimentions.

      the rolodex is a database
      the file cabinet is another database

      I hope this might help you

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    4. Re:The real innovation here... by micje · · Score: 1
      Anyway, the point here is that Microsoft does innovate!

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  63. Re:adequacy.org by broken77 · · Score: 1

    Hahahaha!!! I went to this site, and read one of the articles, and part of another. I was thinking "Holy crap, how could anyone be so stupid". Then I realized, the entire site is one big troll. Very funny! I bet they get a lot of misdirected hatemail... :-)

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  64. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by stpats · · Score: 1

    Padding is a weapon. It hurts a whole lot more to get smashed in your padded chest with a helmet, worn by someone on the other team who can run at full throttle without fear because they are "protected", than to simply be hit in the unprotected chest by another person's head. There are way more injuries in football (NFL, CFL, NCAA) than in Rugby or Australian Rules. How often do rugby players become parapa/quadripalegics?

    In hockey, lacrosse, and *especially* hurling, you have a stick in your hand to inflict lots of damage with. Hurling is a real "manly" sport, but Rugby or Aussie rules are no meaner than NFL football. The players in the NFL are much bigger and stronger too - you don't see many 350+ pounders in Rugby...

  65. Except For One Small Thing... by PingXao · · Score: 1

    Abner Doubleday did not invent baseball. They needed to ascribe the game to someone, but didn't know who the real inventor was so they basically picked Doubleday because he was a good guy. He had NOTHING to do with the invention of the game!

    This "Mr. Baseball" page will open your eyes if you've been under the long-held mistaken notion that Doubleday invented the great American pastime. The real inventor's name was Cartwright.

    Or was it Costanza?

    1. Re:Except For One Small Thing... by Iguana5-0 · · Score: 1

      If I'm not mistaken, I remember reading in American History class about Native Americans playing a form of baseball when European settlers began coming to the "New World". Playing with a stick as a bat and a ball made from some sort of filled leather "ball". Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. But I doubt it.

  66. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by uberdood · · Score: 1
    I'm only kidding but you saying we're wasting money on sports research is the same as those rednecks who say NASA is the black hole of money.

    Playing devil's advocate, there are many who theorize that the money spent on NASA/DOD programs that have commercial spin-offs would have gone further in the commercial sector in the first place due to NASA/DOD overhead and things like, oh, bombs, bullets, etc.

    OTOH, the fear of losing a war can be a great motivator to the ingenuity of the DOD crowd (or the loss of human life or desire to reach the moon first IRT NASA) that the commercial sector might be missing.
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  67. Re:Man vs. Machine by Tetsujin28 · · Score: 1

    The question is - why keep pitchers at all? When society realized that it was better to plow with a tractor than a bunch of oxen, we got rid of the oxen. When we realized that it was better to manufacture and box crayons with robotics than with third-world child labor, we did that, too.

    The purpose of plowing with oxen was to hget the plowing done, not to exercise the oxen. The purpose of manufacturing and boxing crayons is to have boxes of crayons to sell. The purpose of Paul Bunyan's lumberjacking was to get trees cut down so they could be used as wood. Etcetera.

    The purpose of baseball isn't to get pitches thrown, or to get home runs hit. The world has no independent need for well-thrown pitches or home runs, outside the context of baseball. (When we do need similar activities performed outside of baseball, we already do use machines -- see, for example, the grenade launcher.)

    The purpose of baseball, if it has one, is to experience and observe competition among teams of human beings. Therefore, replacing the human beings with robots necessarily undermines the point of the activity.

    I'd be delighted to see a seprate league for robot-vs-robot baseball games, but it doesn't make sense to replace human athletes because the machines perform the tasks "better." By that standard, the dawn of auto racing should have meant the end of track & field sports. After all, cars are "better" than runners at getting from Point A to Point B quickly, aren't they?

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  68. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by nycdewd · · Score: 1

    Yanks: best team that money can buy... and killing off baseball in MOST of the rest of this country (and oh yes, Canada too) pitch? profitsharing in baseball like the other big sports leagues (NFL, NBA), there's yer damn pitch! Hey George, can you put a Yankee uniform on one of these machines? Give it a shot, old boy! (sheesh)

  69. Hmm. Not what I would have done by Iguana5-0 · · Score: 1

    talk about a good use for a PIII 850. I was thinking a game server. I guess you could use it to throw a couple of balls.

  70. machine? by Meech · · Score: 1

    Will this machine use Crisco and sandpaper as it starts to age?

    "Are you trying to say that Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

  71. I'll only be impressed when... by EraseEraseMe · · Score: 1

    The targetting systems are accurate enough to track a dove flying in front of home plate a la Randy Johnson

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  72. Man vs. Machine by Chiasmus_ · · Score: 2

    Remember all those industrial revolution fables of man versus machine, like Paul Bunyan and John Henry? If I recall correctly, the moral of the stories was that even the best of any field were eventually beaten by machines that anyone could wield, and that the old-fashioned way of doing things eventually died out.

    So, now we have a machine that can theoretically pitch better than any pitcher, living or dead - that will always place the ball wherever it wants, and that can keep a database on each player's weak pitches and patterns that screw them up.
    The question is - why keep pitchers at all? When society realized that it was better to plow with a tractor than a bunch of oxen, we got rid of the oxen. When we realized that it was better to manufacture and box crayons with robotics than with third-world child labor, we did that, too. So -

    What is the intrigue of seeing someone pitch a baseball, now, in a fashion that we know is not the best?

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    1. Re:Man vs. Machine by (H)elix1 · · Score: 1

      Of course, any power tool will do as a sander if used improperly...

    2. Re:Man vs. Machine by bare_naked_linux · · Score: 1
      Obviously, you are not one of those fans in the bleachers at Comedy Central's Battlebots competitions.

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    3. Re:Man vs. Machine by CrackElf · · Score: 2

      Because the point of baseball is not to hit the ball. It is to create icons that are idolized to distract the population from the real problems of the era. A kind of hero worship if you will. Even if you do not see it that way, the fact remains that people need to be able to identify with the players and teams. If people could identify with the machine then there might be some reason to predict the end of a need for pitchers.
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    4. Re:Man vs. Machine by CrackElf · · Score: 2

      Are you trying to tell me that those people do not personally identify with the machines? the ones holding up the signs that say 'grendel' or whatever?

      The robots are distinct and their behavior is not dictated by an algorithm (well, and artificial algorithm anyway) it is dictated by humans. And when the announcers talk about the robots they tend to attribute human characteristics to them.

      I doubt very much that if you stuck a couple of preprogrammed bots that looked identical in the center and never showed the human teams if it would draw the same crowd. Analyze what it is that makes the experience something that people get involved with. I believe that one of the strongest factors is identification with the robot.

      -CrackElf
      (and no, I am not one of those ppl)

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  73. Say it with me.... by Ho-Lee-Cow! · · Score: 1
    Some engineers have WAY too much time on their hands.

    And let's not get into Pentium floating point error issues. The mere thought of broken bones and bruises from that make me cringe.

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  74. Re:Good news ... by Golias · · Score: 1

    Then the Twins will find one just as good for 1/10 of the price. :)

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  75. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by Golias · · Score: 2
    There are several reasons why MLB insists on good ol' wood bats, too.

    1. Tradition
    2. "The crack of the bat" is a much more elegant thing to say than "the dink of the bat"
    3. Tradition
    4. Guys like Sosa and Griffey could potentially kill a pitcher or third-base coach if you let them hit with metal bats
    5. Tradition
    6. It's absolutely hillarious entertainment when a good pitch breaks the bat of a cheater, and we see shards of cork fly all over the field.
    7. Tradition

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  76. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by Golias · · Score: 3
    McGwire does have a huge set of guns on his shoulders, but the timing of the swing, accuracy of the hit, and position of the torso all have a much greater impact on the distance and direction of a baseball than arm strength does.

    Besides, it's kind of cheap to start by saying "he took steroids" only to parenthetically acknowledge that actually, he did not. Let me cut the redundant text by rephrasing your second sentence:

    Mark McGwire was not takeing steroids the year he set the home-run record.

    Much shorter, much more accurate.

    Carefully chosing the right foods would have had the exact same effect as McGwire's daily clump of nutrient powder. That crap is really just a quick-n-dirty alternative to eating the same health-food entree every damn day. It's not at all the same thing as taking artificial hormone pills.

    Besides, why get worked up over a record that Bonds is probably going to shatter this year anyway?

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  77. P3 really? by Teflon+Coating · · Score: 1

    Why does it need a P3 @ 850mhz? I would think that at most a 50mhz machine would do fine. Sounds like a waste of money to me

    1. Re:P3 really? by 11223 · · Score: 2
      Actually, the MMX and SSE extensions in the PIII, if they're used appropriately, can provide DSP-level performance on Pentium computers, and the Altivec unit is as fast as any DSP. However, this is only if they can write their own assembly, which very few people can these days. I would suspect that's the reason they picked the PIII.

      P.S. Why do you give out your call on your Slashdot posts? There's a lot of kids here who I wouldn't want to know that much of my personal information if I could help it.

    2. Re:P3 really? by neurovish · · Score: 1

      Have you ever seen a fluid dynamics equation? I'm surprised they only used one processor

  78. Hey ... by Wordsmith · · Score: 1

    Can we overclock it for faster fastballs?

  79. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by gdchinacat · · Score: 1

    ......Where do you think Astro-Glide got its name (and no, I don't know the real reason they invented this product, but I have some ideas)

  80. Good news ... by mc2Kleen · · Score: 1

    I say the Indians draft it right away.

  81. Re:The Best Pitches Aren't Always In The Zone by xmutex · · Score: 1

    Yeah, or it has Jason Kendall dropping routine fly balls out in left :)

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  82. I don't think so... by xmutex · · Score: 2

    Coming from a baseball fan, I don't see how an 8-axis robot is going to imitate real MLB pitchers, considering that there's much more than the simple location and velocity of a given pitch.

    I can't see a robot imitating the movement of a Tim Wakefield knuckler, or the movement on a Hideo Nomo split-finger.

    There are just too many variables, I would think, for this truly be of signifcant use for a hitter.

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    1. Re:I don't think so... by kesinger · · Score: 1

      What everybody else seems to have forgotten is that there's more to being a pitcher than tossing balls to the catcher. How's this thing going to cover first? What's it going to do in case of a bunt up towards the mound? ==Jake

    2. Re:I don't think so... by krugdm · · Score: 3

      It's not going to perfectly replace a real pitcher, but it will give batters a chance to hit against something more akin to real pitching than either the 50 mph softballs they get during batting practice, or a one pitch only pitching machine. Plus, you can hit against 90 mph pitches all day without having to wear out some poor sap's arm

  83. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by CraigoFL · · Score: 2
    padding? in baseball?

    Yup... think catchers' mitts, batting helmets, and the suit of armor that the catcher and umpire wear. Padding in baseball isn't as prevalent as it is in some other sports (football, hockey) but it certainly plays a role.

  84. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by CraigoFL · · Score: 2
    Well, there is actually a lot of real scientific research being done in the name of sports, and these things can be spun off to give us benefits in our everyday lives.

    Much like the space program, in fact...

  85. then we get the REAL man vs machine -- by pezpunk · · Score: 2

    when he charges the mound.

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  86. Pitching Machines are cool, but... by glebite · · Score: 2

    A perfect batting machine would be cool too for pitchers who need some practice! Also, use it to train the whole team - you could have perfect pops and setups for the team to practice with.

    The machine could be height adjusted, etc...

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  87. I want to mount one of these on my car. by Gannoc · · Score: 4
    Anyone tries to cut me off, they get a 90mph chunk of American culture through their windshield with an accuracy of up to 5.00000001 decimal places...

    This is how the terrifing future depicted in Death Race 2000 began. Will we all just sit by idly while it happens?

    I blame Intel.

  88. Age of Spiritual Machines by iReflect · · Score: 3

    This reminds me of a cartoon in Ray Kurzwiel's Book "Age of Spiritual Machines" where a guy representing the human race is in a room with papers. Written on each paper is a task that was once thought to be doable only by a human. The guy keeps discarding them as computers prove to be able to do the tasks.

    "Only humans can play baseball"

    right....

    1. Re:Age of Spiritual Machines by ishark · · Score: 1
      Oh come, come! If Rummy and Dick can get the Pentagon to produce a missile defence, how hard would it be to adapt the system to hitting fastballs? Who knows, this might even make missile defence against an imaginary adversary worthwhile! :-P

      Are you proposing an anti-missile system composed of a big big bat or what? :)

    2. Re:Age of Spiritual Machines by neurovish · · Score: 1

      bah, you just need to program the batter to hack into the pitcher and replace all the pitches so it only throws fastballs down the center...basically baseball would turn into a game run by scr1pt k1dd135

  89. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by The+Troll+Catcher · · Score: 1

    Not to mention that you must not know how to pronounce it either - there are TWO n's in sentiment - or are you some hick who actually pronounces it sediment? ;)

  90. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by bmongar · · Score: 1

    Doh. Never could spell.

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  91. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by bmongar · · Score: 2

    I have to disagree with the sediment. I think they mix quite well. I think improvements in sports medicine have added to games, keeping some of the greats in the game longer, allowing people to get familiar.
    It also does something else, it allows geeks to compete in professional sports, though not directly, I could see it as a source of pride to have designed the exercise program that made your team the forth quarter terrors. Or to develope a machine that helps some player recover and extend his career.

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  92. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by Fatal0E · · Score: 1

    You know, that argument is really a bunch of shit. How do you explain that the Orioles spend almost as much and get no results (~$115 Mil)? What about the Mets (~$110)? With a couple of exceptions like Mussina and Knobs, some of their best players came up through the Yankee farm system (Soriano, Pettite, Jeter). They use their money to bring in names, but they use more of their money to keep the players that are producing.

  93. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by Fatal0E · · Score: 4

    Your post is awfully narrow minded. If not for the content of it then for the Go Red Sox part! :) Go Yanks BTW!!!

    I'm only kidding but you saying we're wasting money on sports research is the same as those rednecks who say NASA is the black hole of money. Why do I say that? Well, my sister-in-law had to have arthroscopic surgery on her knee after a skiing snafu and she is 100% back after only 6 months. Where do you think they perfected that technique? Why are those sneakers you wear into work everyday so comfy? When we send food to Africa how do you think we know how to pack as much nutrition into as small a package as possible? Those are only the tip of the ice berg (thats my excuse for being unable to come up with anything else :) ) but sports research does have a realistic ROI in at least some cases.

  94. More Features for all! by ipinkus · · Score: 1

    Let's forget practical applications for a second. Even more interesting are the things this baby can do which a regular pitcher can't. Take your regular curveball, but increase the speed of spin by oh, let's say a factor of 100 and then make a contest to see who can hit it. Imagine a pitch breaking the sound-barrier. I'm sure that would have some fairly interesting instant-replay effects. Aside: ... 3D graphics eh? Would be interesting to get beaned by DoomGuy or QuakeGuy or some swimsuit model.

  95. Usefulness by uvasmith · · Score: 1

    The article makes an excellent point that mlb batters used it for two pitches more than any others. It seems that for this machine to be a useful training device it would have to behave more like a real pitcher. Evaluate the batter and control its own pitch selection within some predefined bounds.

    That would be interesting AI programming.

  96. Science and sports don't mix. by perdida · · Score: 3

    Have you ever heard the story of the old baseball, when the fields were huge and irregular, people wore little to no padding, and most importantly there were not ten zillion geeks roaming like ants over the fields of sports medicine and sports technology in order to ramp up everything to the conceivable maximum?

    You know, we draw the line on steroids and such for some reason, but allow other drugs; we outlaw aluminum bats for Little Leaguers but we let people invest millions in designing a better nutrient regimen for sports teams.

    The bigger baseball biz gets, the more home run races we will want to see and the farther and farther science will push baseball from the sport that you can see played each weekend at Little League and weekender team fields around the world.

    I don't think that a computer can do any thing except put coaches into comeptition with each other for the best equipment and force pitching, hitting and coaching into a computer-determined standardization.

    Fuck a bunch of that.

    P.S. GO RED SOX!

    1. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by dlkf · · Score: 1
      Not to be too nit-picky, but MLB is the only league that has outlawed aluminum bats. In fact, aluminum bats are used all the way from t-ball to triple-A. The only time I've seen an aluminum bat outlawed from a game was when it had a crack in it.

      Can you be more specific on which Little League you are referring to because its sounds to me like you are either mis-spoken or making this up.

    2. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by dlkf · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. Though they dont really say that the minors and majors use the same rules, the "Official Playing Rules for Professional Baseball" link on www.minorleaguebaseball.com takes you to the rule book on www.mlb.com. Next time I wont be so trusting of how well ESPN columnists know the rules. Thanks for the correction.

    3. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by ez76 · · Score: 1
      Baseball isn't getting more scientific -- it's getting more American.

      There's nothing more American than trying to build a better mousetrap, and that's all these folks are aiming to do: improve the players and improve the game.

    4. Re:Science and sports don't mix. by blang · · Score: 1

      I cad say sediment whed I god this nasty cod. No reason to be pigging on me for that.

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  97. maybe, but does it have Curt Schilling's charm? by tewwetruggur · · Score: 1
    and can it get the runner out at first?

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  98. Someone has to ask.. by CrazyLegs · · Score: 5

    Does their code throw exceptions?

    That's not even funny.

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  99. Have you no Soul? by espo812 · · Score: 1

    I'm a runner. I enjoy watching track meets. I know that there is an easier to get from point A to point B than running. I'm not much of a fan of NASCAR.

    I enjoy watching (and doing myself) the human element of an athletic event. The screw ups, the over compensation, or under compensation. Sure, a pitching machine could do all the work - but where's the fun in that?

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  100. What about.. by TigerBaer · · Score: 1

    .. the AMD "I am rapidly stealing your market share" fastball?

  101. Hook it up! by bay43270 · · Score: 1

    Who else wants to hook this thing up to Triple Play 2001?
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  102. Robo-Mullet by Smegma4U · · Score: 1

    The better question is, when will we see the robo-mullet? It's something that's been overlooked for years...

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  103. The Best Pitches Aren't Always In The Zone by phantumstranger · · Score: 2
    ". . . it has the ability to throw practically any pitch within the strike zone.

    The best pitches are the ones that make the batter reach or hit into a predetermined part of the field. If the robots AI were to have the ability to choose which pitches where and when then it may be a "smart robot" but it'll get taken for yard every pitch. Unless it has Jason Kendall calling the shots for it :o)

    No, I'm from Chicago.

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    1. Re:The Best Pitches Aren't Always In The Zone by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The robot does not have an "AI"...it is completely controlled by a human operator. Even if at some point it were programmed to throw random pitches, it still would be leagues away from being an "AI", a better description would be a "programmed opponent".

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  104. oh, good. by Johnny5000 · · Score: 1

    strap a mullet and a bad mustache to this thing and you've got yourself a relief pitcher.

    I think the 4th robot rule should be:
    A robot shall not have a mullet.

    -J5K

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  105. hmmm.... by jeffy124 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how long until Randy Johnson gets control of the machine, and John Kruk to step into the batter's box .... a la '93 All-Star Game.

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  106. Awesome. by cyberia625 · · Score: 1

    For a company like Intel that's used to throwing huge curveballs at its customers and other developers, it's good to see that they can finally vary it up a bit.