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Fox Explains Why SSSCA Is Bad

corbettw writes "Fox News is running an article that slams Sen. Fritz Hollings ("The Senator from Disney") and the Democrats (with the notable exception of Rick Boucher) as having betrayed their principles. More importantly, the article explains why the SSSCA is so bad, in language any American can understand. It's nice to see someone in the mainstream media taking this beast on before it becomes law."

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  1. The Senator from Disney by Mordain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would be really dissapointed if Hollings is ever re-elected. The point of an elected government is to get rid of those who want to lower our freedom, and this guy is definetly going down that road, and dragging everyone he can with him.

    We can rant and rave on /. all we want, but if we don't send the message in our ballots also, we have given up the battle.

    I sincerely hope that the people in his district are well aware of Sen. Holling's attrocities.

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    1. Re:The Senator from Disney by Eravau · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to the article, it doesn't matter whether we get rid of Hollings. There are plenty more in line behind him to take his place in the back pocket of the music and movie industries.

      We'll be lucky to ever get a "non-biased" politician in a position of power. To get elected takes a lot of money (to get your name out there in advertising, etc.). Real people don't have that kind of money. So where does the money come from? Big industries like these. After their elected, they can't stray from what these industries what because they'll need their money to be re-elected in a few more years. There is no forseeable end to the cycle.

      There is no "good guy" any more is there? A politician's a politician.

    2. Re:The Senator from Disney by Stonehand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If more "real" people gave a bit of money -- keep in mind that the per-candidate and total limits restrict how much any one company can contribute -- then Congressmen would be more free to ignore industry contributions.

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    3. Re:The Senator from Disney by crotherm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is why campain reform is a MUST if USA is ever to see a goverenment that really looks out for the good of the people, and not just the good of the rich and powerful.

      Write and phone your congresscritters NOW.

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    4. Re:The Senator from Disney by aronc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Problem is, how to get those people who are sitting fat an happy for this very reason to go and cut off their meal-ticket.

      "Sir, we would be much happier if you would make it where you can't get re-elected again, please?"

      Sure... they'll go for that.

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    5. Re:The Senator from Disney by HiThere · · Score: 2

      Insightful???

      In Athens the ratio between the income of the richest citizen and the poorest citizen was about 50. In the US it's closer to 50,000 (that's an underestimate, but I don't know how much) (income includes all income, not just what gets reported on the income tax form).

      Given that, it's a bit unrealistic to suggest that individual contributions from the lower 80% could even approximately equal the donations from the upper 20%. A better answer would be to reinstate the rule that the FCC used to have about equal time (though I guess that may have just been for equal donated time, and the stations just stopped donating). Still, if every minute bought by any candidate had to include the cost of 30 seconds for each of his top 5 opponents, this would be a solution, of sorts. But individual donations with the grossly disproportionate distribution of income, much less disposable income, are a unrealistic answer.
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    6. Re:The Senator from Disney by Stonehand · · Score: 2, Informative

      The individual limit is $1000 per donator per candidate per election cycle. There's also a total limit per election cycle, if memory serves. It doesn't matter that much if you're Bill Gates or not, however, if you're looking mostly at your own representatives (1 Fed rep, 2 state senators, and 1 Pres.).

      It does matter to a certain degree in that if you don't have that much discretionary spending, you may not fill the limit... but the limit is not THAT high(*). Somebody who is upper-middle-class could probably meet contribute on a fairly regular basis if he put politics at a high priority, compared to eating out less, being more discriminating with music and movies, and so forth. Or toys, like graphics cards (how much do the latest nVidia ones cost?) and digital cameras (which go into the thousands...).

      (*) The current version of McCain-Feingold will double it, to compensate for the complete removal of soft money donations to national political parties.

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    7. Re:The Senator from Disney by osgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But when you've got "real" people give money to both sides, you just have an escalated arms race.

      The only way to reduce the political dependence upon money is to reduce the power of the government. Reduce the power of the government, and you reduce the number of people (corporations) who want to control it. Reduce the people trying to conrol it, and you reduce the amount of money flowing to politicians.

      If the Federal government scaled back services to those specified by the constitution, a lot of the money-chasing and corruption problems would disappear.

    8. Re:The Senator from Disney by osgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder how much of /. would agree with that position?

      Afterall, a lot of people here equate "code" with "speech". If code can loosely be equated to speech, why can't money?

      Campaign finance reform amounts to government control of political speech (money). Government is at its worst when it tries to restrict political speech.

    9. Re:The Senator from Disney by smagruder · · Score: 2

      As long as overextended corporate power is reduced simultaneously, I will agree totally to reducing government power.

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    10. Re:The Senator from Disney by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because money isn't speech. If you can't tell the difference between saying something and handing out cash, then you've got real problems.

      The idea that giving money is a form of speech is the most ridiculous defense of the current corrupt system I can think of. After all, you are allowed to try to talk your way out of a speeding ticket - as soon as you've pulled out the wallet, you've gone into a completely different domain, which we call bribery.

    11. Re:The Senator from Disney by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tell me how you would regulate contributions and I'll tell you how it would just make matters worse. Go ahead be clever

    12. Re:The Senator from Disney by Danse · · Score: 2

      If you limit the money, they'll just work around the system. Instead of donating $50,000 to a campaign, you'll purchase a bunch of billboard space and plaster your favored candidate's face all over the place. In return, you'll get priveleged access to your congressperson. Are you gonna tell people they can't buy billboard space to promote a candidate they like? This is a bit closer to what people are worried about when they talk about campaign finance reform limiting free speech.

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    13. Re:The Senator from Disney by garyrich · · Score: 2

      A lot of people that support campaign finance reform in principle end up coming out against it in practice. It's blatantly unconstitutional as a limitation on speech. Money is speech, just like code is speech. What's the point of getting excited about passing a law that is just going to waste the court's time when they have to stricke it down.

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    14. Re:The Senator from Disney by WNight · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about if it giving any money to a politician, for any reason, was declared to be bribery, like we all know it is.

      Then the state funds everyone who gets a certain number of signatures at exactly the same level.

      Toss any politician who accepts bribes, and the heads of any company that offers them, into jail for a while.

      That'd really straighten things out.

    15. Re:The Senator from Disney by Stonehand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The difficulty with a signature-based system is that it favors a) incumbents, since they have the name recognition and existing machinery, b) ideologues with highly motivated power bases, c) the independently wealthy who can run on their own. A newcomer who's insufficiently fiery (or bizarre) to energize people might have trouble getting name recognition.

      The current matching-funds system isn't particularly great (it's still tough on newcomers) but they do have some chance at least. Of course, one might have separate rules for newcomers and for those running against the wealthy... hrm. I wonder if those would pass Constitutional muster.

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    16. Re:The Senator from Disney by osgeek · · Score: 2

      as soon as you've pulled out the wallet, you've gone into a completely different domain, which we call bribery

      And if you threaten the officer, it's called verbal assault -- so by your logic, talking shouldn't be a protected freedom either. Similarly, computer code can be used to set off bombs.

      So, speech, code, and money can all be illegal at some point.

      Free speech is about the government's limiting an individual's expression of ideas, including criticism of that government.

      If the government does something stupid, and I can't spend the million dollars I need to put a commercial on during the superbowl to tell people about it, the government is limiting my speech.

    17. Re:The Senator from Disney by elb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An interesting point, I think, is why corporations and businesses are allowed to make such large political contributions -- at the heart, why are corporations considered to be people in the eyes of the law? IANAL, but originally the courts held that corporations were people so that they could be named in lawsuits. Frankly, this led to a logical slippery slope that has gotten us into many present-day conundrums.

      Corporations and organizations are much different from individuals ("natural persons" as the law puts it). They have different lifespans (indefinite) and different primal motivations (fundamentally businesses are entities for creating wealth, generaly of the monetary kind, but sometimes also the social kind). People's actions are tempered by the fact that your life is finite and the demands of the human psyche for things like love, social contact, happiness, etc. We act towards our physical survival, but once that's taken care of, most act towards -- dare I say -- spiritual survival as well. Corporations don't.

      Why not just ban corporations from participating in political discourse at all? Corporations should get no say in how my government regulates my life; I chould have perfect free choice (using amount of money spent) about how much influence any corporation has over my life. The individuals making decisions at corporations will have as much of an opportunity to participate in the political process as anyone else, but they will have to do it as individuals.

      You could also play around with this idea and see where it takes you in the realm of copyright law. Should corporations be allowed to hold copyrights at all? Or perhaps we should have some fundamental notion that only the individual creator can be the ultimate holder of a copyright, and corporations are thus more limited in how much control they can have over your MP3s and computers and CDs. The creators of the work are legally protected from having to relinquish total control over their creations in order to merely do business with the rest of the public.

      "Corporation" is an entity different from "person"-- not an inherited class. Clearly corporations require certain rights and have certain obligations/responsibilities, but these should be assigned based on corporations' nature as wealth-creating entities rather than assigned just because human beings have those rights as well.

    18. Re:The Senator from Disney by osgeek · · Score: 2

      The biggest problem with corporate power is that they currently have a lot of ability to influence the creation/modification of laws. Politicians have to listen to them, since that's where they get all that money they need to finance their campaigns.

      Thus continues the vicious cycle. That's why I always vote for the guy that I think will reduce the size of government.

    19. Re:The Senator from Disney by msaavedra · · Score: 5, Insightful
      That is why campain reform is a MUST if USA is ever to see a goverenment that really looks out for the good of the people

      If we want a government that looks after the good of the people, we need citizens who take an active interest in the government and vote according to principle. After all, Disney, Microsoft, et al don't have a single vote in the elections, so who cares how much money they donate? The only reason they have any power over the politicians is because we the people are morons who don't vote, who simply toe the party line, who vote for the candidates with the best commercials, the fullest head of hair, the greatest height, the best-sounding name, etc, etc.

      We need to throw the politicians out on their asses when they put Disney's interests above the people's. Nothing will improve until we do this. Campaign finance reform will not help. There will always be loopholes, unless you are wiiling to completely eliminate the first amendment.

      I honestly think we get the quality of government that we deserve, and our current government doesn't say much about us as a society.

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    20. Re:The Senator from Disney by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      I'll answer all the 'soft money as speech' cases this way: there are already much more odious limits on speech placed by those interests who can afford billboards. The DCMA, for one, and the SSCA looks to be another. I'd rather be allowed to put nude bodies on a billboard and be prevented from promoting a candidate than vice versa. I'd rather be able to have fair use of copyrighted works, I'd rather not see culture put under lock and key, and I'd rather not see the Skylarovs of the world jailed.

      As far as I'm concerned, the system is so broken, that limiting the billboard-buying rights of a few isn't going to keep me up at nights.

    21. Re:The Senator from Disney by ahde · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but when the ballot box is dismissed because one party is afraid of losing, and then dismissed again when the other party is afraid of losing, there really isn't any point.

      You're right, only the sheep should be allowed to decide.

    22. Re:The Senator from Disney by WNight · · Score: 2

      You shouldn't need a lot of votes. Just enough to show you're serious.

      In fact, maybe it could be 5k votes to enter, 10k at a later date, and 20k to be in the finals.

      Scaled by state population, etc, of course. Someone in Alaska or RI might have a tougher time than someone in Calif, or NY.

      It'll always be a little hard to get rid of the incumbents. But perhaps term limits should be used in all branches of government.

    23. Re:The Senator from Disney by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 2

      garyrich writes:

      > It's blatantly unconstitutional as a limitation on speech. Money is
      > speech, just like code is speech.

      Wrong. Code may be speech, because it is saying something in a real (machine) language. Money is not speech, it is property.

      The constitution gives you a nice form of speech that you are to use to have your voice in government. It comes in two parts: first you elect someone by voting, then you let them know via some form of speech (letters, email, phone, fax) what you want from your representative. This is your right as a US citizen, and it is how the government of the people, by the people, for the people is supposed to work. This even provides for companies, since they are made up of individual employees who are citizens of a given area.

      Money is the unconstitutional wrecker of our representative form of government. Big, evil, nasty corporations come in and kindly offer to help pay the candidate's election expenses. Of course, the payback comes when the candidate is elected. They warp our representatives so they no longer represent us, the citizens, but them, the nasty corporations, who might not even be located in the representative's area or even this country. This isn't speech, this is bribery. And it impairs the ability of the government to protect our constitutional rights, including speech (just ask anyone who has been silenced by the DMCA).

      The SSSCA is a cruel joke. A small sector of industry is expecting to get a law to force a much larger sector (and every citizen who buys the products of either sector) to bend to their will. Just to further their greed. And they plan to succeed because they have paid more in bribes.

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    24. Re:The Senator from Disney by ahde · · Score: 2

      The solution is to open up the channels of speech. I'm not suggesting everyone has a right to be heard, but there are fewer than a dozen media distribution outlets in America. You can start up your own press, or make an audio or video recording, but you can't get it out to people without going door to door (illegal in many areas). You have no place to sell a book or cd or movie (most chain businesses have exclusive contracts with the major media producers -- Sam Goody or Barnes and Noble could've sell your stuff if they wanted to). You sure as hell better not try to broadcast it over the public airwaves (those are exclusively reserved for the same handful of companies that control retail distibution and content generation -- recording and publishing)

    25. Re:The Senator from Disney by BlaisePascal · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rule 1: Forbid for-profit and tax-exempt corporations from participation in the political process. Corporation may not contribute to political campaigns, lobby government officials (elected or appointed), or pay others to do so. This would mean that if Michael Eisner chose to testify before Congress, Disney would need to record that time against his vacation or paid sick time, or not pay him for that time at all.

      I think this would go a long way towards taking politicians out of corporate pockets.

    26. Re:The Senator from Disney by Koozie · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I think corporations have the right to make contributions to elected officals just as normal citizens.


      If corporations can not make donations, what about sole owner or LLC?


      I just think you are hampering free speech by making limits.


      Why not make it a requirement that ALL donors and their contributions are provided to the public? Maybe have a rule that elected officals, their political parties (soft money), and people running for office have to maintain lists of donors and their donations amounts.


      my two cents.

    27. Re:The Senator from Disney by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      Trying to selectively limit influence over people's votes is a hack fix that has a slim chance of working -- as a previous poster mentioned, people will find ways around just about any rules you can think of, and in the mean time your rules will start to limit "healthy" political speech.


      Thus, the only real solution is to educate the public to look beyond the spin and the TV ads. If the public is involved, interested, and aware of what the government is doing, and is thinking critically for themselves, then they won't vote for the whomever has the best hair/TV ads/etc, they will vote for the candidate that best represents their interestes.


      Yes, that's a tall order. It's also the only long term solution. You can't have a democracy without an informed, intelligent public.

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    28. Re:The Senator from Disney by ryanwright · · Score: 2

      A newcomer who's insufficiently fiery (or bizarre) to energize people might have trouble getting name recognition.

      And this is bad how? If you can't energize people, what business do you have being in office?

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    29. Re:The Senator from Disney by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      I'm trying to do something about the "they."

    30. Re:The Senator from Disney by maxpublic · · Score: 2

      This isn't true. Corporations have the rights provided to them by law, but they are not protected by the Constitution. It's a fallacy to think so.

      Max

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    31. Re:The Senator from Disney by cosyne · · Score: 2

      But when you've got "real" people give money to both sides, you just have an escalated arms race.

      Not necessarily- if you think the only option is writing your check to the democrats or republicans, then yes, it's an escalating arms race. If you support a particular person, someone who isn't backed by one of the political machines, someone who supports your rights (or, even better, just makes decisions using good judgement and common sense, regardless of who paid for their campaign), someone who probably needs your support because they're not just a corporate whore, then you don't have to contribute to the "arms race." You can help the "resistance." Viva la resistance ;-)

    32. Re:The Senator from Disney by cosyne · · Score: 2

      Hey, i just thought of something- you can contribute to my campaign. I support people's rights. I make common sense decisions. I'm not a corporate whore (as long as the university of california isn't a corporation). Granted, it's still a good decade or so before i start campaigning seriously, but i'll take donations now ;-)

    33. Re:The Senator from Disney by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • If more "real" people gave a bit of money -- keep in mind that the per-candidate and total limits restrict how much any one company can contribute -- then Congressmen would be more free to ignore industry contributions

      By the same argument, we should pay thieves to persuade them not to steal. After all, there's such a thing as having too much money, right? I mean, once you've bought an island for yourself, and one for all of your family and friends, and that guy you met on the street, you stop aquiring wealth, right? Right?

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    34. Re:The Senator from Disney by garyrich · · Score: 2

      "Wrong. Code may be speech, because it is saying something in a real (machine) language. Money is not speech, it is property."

      Half right. In 1776 terms if I can't use my money to buy a printing press to print my pamphlets due to some law - you have limited my right to free speech in an unconstitutional manner. In more current terms, you cannot legally limit Ross Perot or Steve Forbes from spending their own cash on TV ads or whatever to further their political ambitions. You can *contractually* limit them by saying IF you want campain matching funds THEN you must follow these campaign spending limits, but that's about it.

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    35. Re:The Senator from Disney by crotherm · · Score: 2

      Campaining currently is expensive. And many politicians have to raise large sums of money to be competitive. Why not take money out of the equation? The airways are public domain which was licensed to comercial entities. I would like to see candadates have free and equal access to the airways. There should be manditory debates. Of course there would be lots of work to ensure only qualified people have access, but that is another story.

      Now the problem of having businesses paying for their own airtime in support of a candadate is tricky. You cannot stop that, but HONEST reporting of who is funding it is necessary.

      I would even take a closer look at term limits for all elected officials. Running the government was not meant to be a full time job, but rather a place where members of society can spend a few years helping run the country.

      You cannot and should not stop people from spending the way they want to, but we can make the process of running for office much much less expensive.

      OK, how would this make it worse?

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  2. A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand that Fox News likes to portray itself as the "alternative" news source, free of "liberal bias" (but only because they wouldn't be able to compete with other real news organizations if they didn't do something to distinguish themselves :) but did anybody else find this article more of a hatchet job than an intelligent article about the SSSCA?

    I mean, c'mon, linking to a Wired article and then speaking endlessly about "opportunities for Republicans" doesn't sound like an informative article about the evils of the SSSCA. Maybe they forgot about the other evil crap that John Ashcroft has brought us: the PATRIOT Act, monitoring of cable modems, what have you. It's clear that neither party is wholly clean of messing with our rights, but this article just skews the discussion into endless political ranting. Kind of like this topic will devolve into, I foresee. :)

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    1. Re:A little out there? by MindStalker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well Fox has hired many people from both sides of the spectrum and are basically told not to hide their feelings and say what they really think. So you do hear extremly right wing and left wing beliefs. As opposed to more news orginizations which tend to lean to the left but try their best to hide that fact.

    2. Re:A little out there? by Stonehand · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's because it's NOT an "article", it's an opinion piece. Look closely at the page; it's called "Straight Talk", and it's in the Views section, and it was submitted by a law professor.

      This is an opinion piece, not an article. They're not claiming journalistic objectivity here.

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    3. Re:A little out there? by tb3 · · Score: 2

      Exactly what I was thinking. There was one paragraph free of political rhetoric, but the rest was just dem-bashing. Which is great for the right-wing hard-liners, but does little to attract anyone else.
      In fact, it hurts the cause, because any democrats reading it will be so turned off by the ranting that they'll ignore the issue. I want the card-carrying democrats to kick Hollings out, and pieces like this ain't gonna do it.

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    4. Re:A little out there? by Enry · · Score: 2

      Pfft! Oh sure, make me spit my coffee.

      The "liberals" they bring on are just to the right-of-center. I have *never* seen a liberal slant on any Fox news reporting, counting the local dreck. Now, conservative slant, that's a different story.

      I take real issue with anyone that does this, then goes out of their way to advertise how balanced they are.

    5. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      ...and yet it on Slashdot it's presented as "Fox says SSSCA is bad." Nowhere do I say that Fox has to maintain "journalistic integrity" (if such an abstract notion of human nobility exists or has existed since Watergate) but I do take issue with the opinion piece being presented as a list of reasons why the SSSCA is bad.

      Maybe I should have clarified that by not using the word "article" in my post, but the gist of my idea is the same: we've been slipped an opinion piece under a headline that suggests otherwise. Just thought I'd point the incongruity of that out.

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    6. Re:A little out there? by medcalf · · Score: 3, Informative

      The article was not about "the evils of the SSSCA," but instead was about "opportunities for Republicans" to take advantage of a political position taken by the Democrats that goes against the Democrats' normal instincts. Given your tone, I wonder if you would consider the article a rant if the parties were reversed?

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    7. Re:A little out there? by rudedog · · Score: 2

      Nor did he mention the other Disney-sponsored copyright act, the Sony Bono [R-DeadNow] Copyright Extension Act. Both sides of the aisle have big problems with pandering to media giants.

    8. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Ahh, you see my point then. :) Don't get me wrong - the SSSCA is just one more of a laundry list of egregious affronts to our freedoms, but posting drivel op-ed pieces as fact does nothing to forward our cause, except mire it in the murky depths of political flamewars. I've already been flamed as a "liberal" (erroneously) in this thread twice, and I'm not even on my third cup of coffee yet. :)

      I just don't see how the Fox piece does anything to promote our rights in an intelligent manner.

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    9. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Watch the name-calling bucko - morons have already flamed me four times as a liberal, perhaps because they only see the world in black-and-white, and if I scoff at a pro-Republican hatchet job being presented as fact, then I must be a Democrat, right?

      Wrong. I'm pointing out that an opinion piece need not be an informed argument against the SSSCA, as this op-ed piece isn't. Were the parties switched, I'd say the exact same thing. You have some preconceptions that would better be left behind, it seems.

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    10. Re:A little out there? by swordboy · · Score: 2

      They're not claiming journalistic objectivity here.

      Or journalistic integrity, for that matter.

      As a side note, they left one of their affiliate sites unsecured. If you want to email all of their Regional VPs, then click here.

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    11. Re:A little out there? by flatrock · · Score: 2

      It's an opinion piece, and does do some dem-bashing. I'm just hoping that democratic voters realize that it's well justified bashing. I'm hoping they can look past the tone of the article, and realize that there seems to be a serious problem with some of thier elected officials trading their rights away for campain cash. I don't expect democrats to believe this to be true just because they heard it on FOX News. There's plenty of evidence of the facts out there for those who are willing to look.

      Just to state my rather obvious point of view here. I am a registered Republican, though I don't side with Republicans on all issues.

    12. Re:A little out there? by Lysander+Luddite · · Score: 2

      I felt lke I was reading Ed Anger in the Weekly World News. Yes, I realized the linked piece is an opinion. But it is a poorly written one doing little mroe than spreading FUD. The Slashdot summary suggests the article is a serious piece that would inform mainstream America.

    13. Re:A little out there? by flatrock · · Score: 2

      Actually, they did have an article on Rather being a guest at that fund raiser. The did present Rather's side of the issue which was that he didn't know it was a fund raiser until he got there.

    14. Re:A little out there? by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Ok. It's an editorial, not an article, granted. As general journalism is concerned (circulation measured in thousands) it's a rather fine hair to split.

      I just don't see how the Fox piece does anything to promote our rights in an intelligent manner.

      It may not, but one thing it will do is get the attention of people; a lot of people. There are a number of journalists who regularly appear on/watch Fox News. It would be nice if additional articles showed up in other political newsletters, magazines, Wall Street Journal, etc.

    15. Re:A little out there? by medcalf · · Score: 2

      Actually, it was an honest question. Your tone indicated a certain amount of partisanship. Frankly, I can't tell if Fox is a little right of center, or just looks that way because of how left of center CNN and the networks tend to be. My news source of choice is NPR, because it's the only really balanced, really fair and really deliberative news I can find. Second rank for me are Fox and the BBC, and everything else trails off from there.

      I don't live in a world where there are only two political opinions, each of which is based on saying the opposite of the other while doing the same thing. That may be what the political parties in the US have foisted on us, but that doesn't mean I have to fall for it hook, line and sinker, even if most everyone else seems to.

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    16. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Good, I'm glad we agree then. I too watch Fox News as a secondary source to my daily NPR (but I still look for liberal bias in my NPR, and sometimes I find it, too :) And I'm sorry that my post came across as partisan - although I wonder if the thoughtless "liberal-bashing" replies that immediately followed my post didn't help to create that impression - because I'm not a member of a political party, and despise those who blindly follow political agendas and theories as opposed to critically thinking about the world which surrounds them.

      But that's just a little bit of my (little l) libertarian views, so they're probably off-topic. :) Thanks for the replies!

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    17. Re:A little out there? by gowen · · Score: 2
      I've already been flamed as a "liberal" (erroneously) in this thread twice
      I love being called a liberal. According to oed.com it means "Free from narrow prejudice; open-minded", "open to the reception of new ideas" and "Favourable to constitutional changes and legal or administrative reforms tending in the direction of freedom or democracy."

      Who wouldn't want to be all those things?

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    18. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Only one reply to ACs per day, and congratulations, you're it! Log in next time, and risk some karma - it's kind of fun. :)

      Great job... but why did you bother "pointing out" than an opinion piece, which never claims or intends to be "an informed arguement against the SSSCA", was not "an informed arguement against the SSSCA"?

      Read the headline of the slashdot article: "Fox says SSSCA is Bad." Slashdot calls the op-ed piece an "article" in the description, too. I post "no, it's not so much an article as it is an op-ed piece, and as such, doesn't stick to the slashdot title" and thousands upon thousands of Captains Obvious reply "Hey, it's not an article!!!1! It's an opinion piece!!!1! RTFH!" :)

      Got it?

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    19. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Well, you have a point. :) I prefer the term "little-l libertarian" or simply "someone who thinks that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison had some pretty good ideas" because anytime you break it down into a one-word label, people are gonna screw it up.

      I do like to think the dictionary definition applies to me, however, so maybe I am a liberal. Something to chew on...thanks!

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    20. Re:A little out there? by tb3 · · Score: 2

      I'm just hoping that democratic voters realize that it's well justified bashing. I'm hoping they can look past the tone of the article, and realize that there seems to be a serious problem with some of thier elected officials trading their rights away for campain cash.

      I'd hope that would happen, too. Then again, what are the chances of Democrats reading Fox news? :)

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    21. Re:A little out there? by evilned · · Score: 2

      Uh, Sonny Bono was a republican, and he pretty much handed Disney what it wanted too with the most recent copyright extension. Face it, both parties are filled with whores. Liberal media likes to call the conservatives whores, and the conservatives like to call the liberals whores. The problem is, they are both right.

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    22. Re:A little out there? by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Ah. That might explain the "NPR is leftist" sentiment I've sometimes seen on this forum -- I pretty much only listen to their morning report when waking up, instead of their more artsy programs.

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    23. Re:A little out there? by alizard · · Score: 2
      I mean, c'mon, linking to a Wired article and then speaking endlessly about "opportunities for Republicans" doesn't sound like an informative article about the evils of the SSSCA.

      I don't think it was intended to be. This reads more like an subtle unofficial comment / warning shot from the owner of Fox intended to let Hollings know that Fox is NOT part of the content provider coalition backing SSSCA and that any further support from Fox either in terms of favorable coverage or campaign contributions is at risk if Hollings doesn't pull the bill.

      The most interesting thing about the article is that a major content provider allowed it to run, and probably went to a fair amount of trouble a writer with credentials who would be guaranteed to go after SSSCA and its author given the opportunity.

      Perhaps they're mad at Disney, perhaps they decided that the results would be so unpopular that they didn't want to be part of a group of multinationals facing a very angry public.

      Perhaps they read the SSSCA the same way as I do, as a bill mandating that all computers (including routers) carry crap components which will directly interfere with their usability, reliability, and stability AND with the functioning of the Internet.

      I could be reading too much into this, but as I said, the most interesting fact is that it ran at all.

    24. Re:A little out there? by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      I could be reading too much into this, but as I said, the most interesting fact is that it ran at all.

      ...on Slashdot, at least. Fox News can run whatever the heck they want to. I think if you'll go back and read my replies, you'll see that I was more concerned with the fact that this was posted to Slashdot as why Fox thinks the SSSCA is bad, as per the headline on the article, when it's really just an op-ed piece with a moderate buzzword quotient. I should have been more clear in making that statement (my use of the word 'article' in place of 'opinion' was most egregious :) and the fact that this is my first multiple-moderation post that ended up breaking even (there's a jinx...here come 50 '-1 Offtopics' :) shows me the error of my ways. *sigh*

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    25. Re:A little out there? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2
      Yeah, I know what you mean. Like all that classical music they play - leftist claptrap, that's what it is. And the jazz programs during the weekends? Obviously communist propaganda. Not to mention the local events programs, and little segments on pop-astronomy, ocean life, and other such clear liberal Marxism.

      Liberal bias = "That that only attacks Gary Condit 23 hours a day..."

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  3. "Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by CptNoSkill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "So championing the cause of the little guy only counts until the bidding gets high enough."
    "This partiality is a betrayal of principle."
    "Talk about screwing the little guy:"
    "denouncing the "spyware" already on Windows Media Player "
    {a few snips from the article} Can I get an AMEN! It is now offical, I am becoming a republican. ;).
    To bad there a 'cowboynealican' party...

  4. Correction.. by gergi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article only mentions Sen. Fritz Hollings ("The Senator from Disney") and two other Democrats, not the whole party as the article title seems to suggest. Then the article makes a blanket statement about how much money the entertainment industry gave to Democrats (which I will will admit is a little suspicious).

    On that note, I'm not defending these Democrats that are in the pockets of the MPAA, et al, but this article is a very left-ist piece of FUD.

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    1. Re:Correction.. by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...but this article is a very left-ist piece of FUD.

      Funny, sounded kinda right-wing to me. :)

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    2. Re:Correction.. by MadAhab · · Score: 2
      Leftist? Have you ever *seen* fox news? Also, I would have to say it's not traditional left-ist tactics to smash the Democrats' policies while giving Republicans tips on how to exploit them to win votes.

      I do wish there were a more vivid description of what the SSSCA is trying to do - legislate that every computer and operating system and piece of software be engineered to prevent illegal copying of every bucket of bits, even though it would prevent much legal copying as well. This would also require that Linux and other free OSes be outlawed and require massive re-engineering of nearly every piece of consumer software, thus greatly increasing the cost to the consumer, while simultaneously giving record companies and movie studios a number of interesting ways to squeeze more dollars out of consumers for the privilege of enjoying goods they already bought.

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    3. Re:Correction.. by gergi · · Score: 2

      oops... too much mtn dew... i meant right, left but thanks to all the people who rubbed it in that i'm a moron :)

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    4. Re:Correction.. by 1010011010 · · Score: 2
      From that author's website:

      Posted 3/7/2002 07:34:46 AM by Glenn Reynolds
      HOLLINGS-O-RAMA: My FoxNews Column is up, and it's about . . . what a corporate-lackey bozo Fritz Hollings is! Imagine that. Actually, it's about the huge political opportunity that the Democrats' water-carrying for Big Media offers for the Republicans, if they're smart enough to take it.

      Democrat Rick Boucher (D-Va) is smart enough to realize this, but it's not clear that any other Democrats -- or Republicans -- are.

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  5. This is a first... by PenguinX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Few journalists will get the chance to report on the SSSCA - even fewer will understand what it is like this reporter. I often find myself being overly cynical about journalism for a number of reasons, but this article hits the issue right on the head.

    1. Re:This is a first... by PenguinX · · Score: 2

      Which is why it was so good...

  6. Ok, a real reply, from Fritz' state by DarthWiggle · · Score: 3, Interesting
    You know, it used to be that Fritz was just a nice old man. And he really is. He's a smart guy, too. But I'm beginning to wonder if the pressure of being the World's Oldest Junior Senator (Strom is ahead of him) is beginning to make him bitter.

    Frankly, I'm not so worried about the implications of this legislation. If it passes (unlikely), it'll just get attacked in the House or defeated in the courts if it somehow makes it past Dubya's desk.

    It's more that SC (and the US in general) has a gentleman like this steering legislative policy on something that didn't even exist when he was celebrating his 60th birthday. I'm not saying older folks can't learn, but in this case, I think it's safe to say that SC is not going to become a technology center (nor will the United States remain one) as long as its legislators insist on kissing up to interests that have less consideration for the proper deployment of technology than they do for the protection of their short-term revenue streams.

    Anyway, God help us all. Fritz is a nice man, but he should be ignored on this issue.

    1. Re:Ok, a real reply, from Fritz' state by Phanatic1a · · Score: 2

      Frankly, I'm not so worried about the implications of this legislation. If it passes (unlikely), it'll just get attacked in the House or defeated in the courts if it somehow makes it past Dubya's desk.



      I find that a worrying attitude. The point of the whole checks'n'balances dance is so that the Constitution has three lines of defense against unconstitutional laws. Saying "I'm not too worried about Congress passing an unconstitutional law, because the other branches of government'll take care of it," indicates that, fundamentally, you feel comfortable with only having two lines of defense for the Constitutional rights we all enjoy.

      And, of course, there's others who say will say the same thing, but instead proclaim their apathy about the President's willingness to sign unconsitutional bills. Well, with the combined apathy of both groups, the sole remaining defense is the Supreme Court.

      And I don't trust them alone to do the job.

    2. Re:Ok, a real reply, from Fritz' state by Zoop · · Score: 2

      The Japanese thought he was really nice.

      Quote from Fritzy: "Yeah, American workers are lazy and inefficient, but we make a heck of a bomb!"

      Made front page news in Japan. Even Dubya can handle his mouth better than that.

  7. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by Tebriel · · Score: 2

    "Keep your grubby laws off my computer"

    Anyone want to make bumperstickers of this?

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  8. Opinions, opinions by Frater+219 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Please note that the linked article is a partisan opinion piece by a law professor. It isn't the work of a Fox columnist; it doesn't necessarily represent the opinions of Fox or its affiliates. Nonetheless, it is quite refreshing to see cogent arguments for freedom in the "mainstream" media.

    FWIW, the "partisan opinion" in question is small-"L" libertarian Republican. What the author is arguing isn't just that the SSSCA is bad. It's that Republicans should take advantage of the fact that Democrats' support for the SSSCA makes Democrats look to be in bed with Big Business. I, for one, find it nice when either of the duopolistic parties adopt pro-freedom positions. It gives me hope that someday they might do so out of principle rather than just because it makes them look good. Is a pretense to virtue a possible antecedent to true virtue? I don't know.

    1. Re:Opinions, opinions by OneClearLight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "a pretense to virtue a possible antecedent to true virtue? I don't know." A US Representative, Barney Frank (D), was recently quoted during the campaign finance debates as saying: "Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue." Neither party's hands are clean when it comes to the current Orwellian state of affairs in the US. It's a shame that people are ready to throw away 200 years of hard fought battles defending civil liberties, all because of fears of terrorism and a digital economy. The framers of the consitution were defining guiding principles, not specifics. They must be "rolling over" in their graves.

    2. Re:Opinions, opinions by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Please note that the linked article is a partisan opinion piece by a law professor. It isn't the work of a Fox columnist; it doesn't necessarily represent the opinions of Fox or its affiliates.

      Really? I saw no such disclaimer on the Fox site. Are they no longer supporting editorials? If so, why was the article run in the first place?

    3. Re:Opinions, opinions by flatrock · · Score: 2

      I'm a republican, and I have to agree that this article is leaning pretty hard to the right. The bill is co-sponsored by a Republican, which was completely left out. FOX News has to feel the view has some merit, or they wouldn't post it, at least not without an opposing view to balance it. In my opinion, FOX News usually only leans a little to the right, and some articles even lean a little left. I do however think this article is accurate. It just leaves out that there are some Republicans who are also vulnerable on this issue.

    4. Re:Opinions, opinions by Hard_Code · · Score: 3, Funny

      With the amount that our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves, you would figure we could hook up a renewable energy generator to them...but NOOOooo...

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    5. Re:Opinions, opinions by MattXVI · · Score: 2
      The author of the article, Professor Glenn Reynolds of the University of Tennessee, is not a Republican. Nor is he even a conservative.

      He'd be the first to point this out. He is a Libertarian.

      Now, contrary to the tone of your comment, there are Republican law professors. More than you'd think. Certainly not a majority.

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  9. Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by Latent+IT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Take from the article, for instance:

    Despite being illegal, payola is rife, keeping interesting artists off the air in favor of the manufactured hitmaker of the week.

    Okay, assume that statement is fully true, and major labels pay radio stations big bucks to play their manufactured hitmaker of the week. This is keeping the interesting artists off the air?

    Wrong.

    Somebody listens to it. Someone buys the albums. N'Sync didn't get big because of major label payola, they got big because some clown looked at a shelf in a record store, and said, 'I want THIS one!'

    The same with Hanson, Britney, 98, blah-de-freakin'-blah. Someone's listening to this crap. And you know what? It's trendy to call it crap. But when a radio station, that makes money off ad revenue, has to choose what to play, it's either going to choose the mainstream 'crap', or the indie 'interesting' stuff. The rest of what will happen is left as an exercise for the reader.

    Other things pointed out in the article are just plain criminal, however:

    Record companies regularly deduct 15 percent off the top of sales as an allowance for "breakage" -- a survival from the days of shellac records that now simply serves to reduce artist royalties by that amount

    and

    And now, record companies -- who have allied themselves with the just-as-bad motion picture industry - want to make it a felony for you to own a computer that is capable of copying music from a CD to your portable player without paying them money, even though courts have held that such copying is entirely legal.

    Blame the MPAA for a lot - the DMCA, copy protected CD's, starving artists that sell more than 50,000 records, but not for the bad taste of the little girl down the block.

    1. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by jsprat · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Which came first, the chicken or the egg?


      People buy what they hear, whether they heard it on the radio or on MTV or in their best friend's car. Studies have suggested (I wish I could find a reference now;-) that with the first listen to a song, a person may not like it - but with each subsequent listening, the chance that they will like the song actually goes up. What is played on popular stations will become popular. If "payola" gets it played often enough CDs will sell, arenas will sell out, posters, paraphernalia, etc...


      Fact is, payola is still a part of the business. It won't make people love crap, but it gives a new group a chance.

      Now breakage charges - someone deserves to be beaten!

    2. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by Evangelion · · Score: 5, Insightful


      What you are ignoring is the simple fact that the MPAA members, and everyone else in the music industry, learned a long, long time ago -- what people hear on the radio (and later, see on video channels) is what they buy. That's the truth -- you can argue how it's not strictly true in some ideal, controlled circumstance, but that's irrelavent. In the real world, what people hear on the radio, is what they buy.

      (Again, whether it's directly true is irrelevant -- alot of kids might listen to stuff because thier friends do. But somewhere along the line, someone is influenced by all the radio play and promotions that the record companies pay for.)

      The system of payloa that is currently in use right now is kind of fucked, because payola is strictly illegal -- a record company can't just send a check to the radio stations for airplay. They have to go through an inderect level of "independant" promoters who decide what music to push, and get paid based on whether or not "thier" radio stations play any of "thier" music. So by adding a layer of indirection, the system avoids the old payloa laws (which are there, because it was recognized that paying to get stuff on the air makes people want to buy it -- this is an observed fact.)

      This is one of the reasons why the MPAA doesn't like mp3's at all. Because it puts the power of what to listen to into the hands of the consumers. If people can just sit down at thier computer, and listen to whatever-the-hell they want to, from all the music in the world, that shoots the record company's biggest weapon -- control of what's played on the radio -- down. If people want to listen to Cool Indie Band, and they start passing around Cool Indie Band's track, this means that they're more likely to go out and buy Cool Indie Band's album rather than an album made by an MPAA artist.

      That is why the MPAA is attacking mp3's and p2p file sharing systems, not because of the arguable amount of revenue they loose because people get thier music for free -- but because it takes control of what people listen to, and what influences people's purchasing decisions, away from them, and puts it back in the hands of the consumers.

      This is a huge factor in the equation, and brushing it off by saying "people buy what they want" is simply ignoring the reality that people, en masse, are manipulated into wanting what the MPAA wants to sell to them, via radio.

    3. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by jsprat · · Score: 4, Informative
      Here is a quote from a Kelly Research study:

      Radio Play Plays a Big Role in Music-Purchasing Habits

      A new study by the Philadelphia-based Kelly Research shows radio has the greatest impact on rock music purchase decisions among listeners ages 16-39.

      The nationwide survey of music buying habits surveyed 428 rock music listeners. Sixty-one percent rated radio airplay as "very important" in determining what they will buy. Videos were cited as very important by 37%, concerts were cited by 32%, and 7% cited critics reviews.

      Radio is also influential as a music advertising medium, according to the study. Fifty percent of survey respondents cite radio spots as influential in their buying decisions. Television spots are important to only 39% of those surveyed, and print ads influence 30%.

      According to the study, 49% of males ages 16-24 first hear of music they buy "from friends" more than any other source. In the male 25-49 category, that figure drops to 16%. Among females 16-24, 35% first hear of music they buy "from friends," but only 14% of women ages 25-39 cite friends as a source.
    4. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by Drachemorder · · Score: 2
      "Studies have suggested (I wish I could find a reference now;-) that with the first listen to a song, a person may not like it - but with each subsequent listening, the chance that they will like the song actually goes up."

      You need a study to figure that out? My own listening habits tend to reflect that principle very closely. Heck, I just bought the latest Jars of Clay CD Tuesday and didn't like it very much the first two or three times through, but it's really starting to grow on me now. Same thing's happened for an awful lot of music I've heard. Heck yeah the industry exploits that. They'd have to be complete idiots not to (although a good argument could be made that they are, in fact, complete idiots anyway...)

      About the breakage charges ... I think a good way to settle it would be to take 15% percent of the CDs they press and break them over the heads of the record executives. That'll justify the 15% fast enough.

    5. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      This is keeping the interesting artists off the air?

      Wrong.

      Somebody listens to it. Someone buys the albums. N'Sync didn't get big because of major label payola, they got big because some clown looked at a shelf in a record store, and said, 'I want THIS one!'


      What makes you think they aren't buying shelf space too? It works with computer games, why not records?

    6. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just for the record, the MPAA is the Motion Picture Association of America. Their product is not usually distributed on the radio or by mp3.

      The RIAA, the Recording Industry Associaton of America, is who you're talking about.

      They both, as oligopolies in copyright based businesses, support SSSCA and contributory copyright infringement lawsuits against P2P networks that allow the sharing of copyrighted material.

    7. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obvious point about MPAA vs RIAA asside, this is an excellent overview of the problem vis. radio. The article that Slashdot references here also point out some others in the retail area.

      However, I think you're ignoring the number one problem in the music marketing industry today: the labels are free to pay MTV as much as they like. They're also free to pay the teenie show of the week on WB as much as they like. So they do, in exchange for featuring their bands.

      This leads us down the road where there's a constant assualt on TV viewers with paid ads (videos, interviews, guest appearances). This gives the labels huge power to invent fads. N'Sync (you UNIX types may know them as XNSync()), Brittany, Christina, Spice Girls, etc, etc were created this way. I find Brittany to be the most illuminating example. Most young girls are attracted to her as a role model because she's famous and seems happy and comfortable with her fame. Try to find someone who will say "I was a Brittany fan before she was famous" (and doesn't just mean they saw her on TV before their friends) and you'll be looking for a long time. Why? Because she was introduced with a massive media blitz that was designed to make her seem "already famous".

      So, the payola situation in the Radio industry is silly (even more silly because of the very tiny number of independant stations), but TV makes it look like an honest day's work.

    8. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by flatrock · · Score: 2

      Okay, assume that statement is fully true, and major labels pay radio stations big bucks to play their manufactured hitmaker of the week. This is keeping the interesting artists off the air?

      Wrong.

      Somebody listens to it. Someone buys the albums. N'Sync didn't get big because of major label payola, they got big because some clown looked at a shelf in a record store, and said, 'I want THIS one!'


      Yes and no. These groups are selling albums because people do like their music. I have no problem with that. If I don't like the music, I just don't listen to it.

      If the record companies are actually bribeing radio stations to only play artists represented by them, then there's a serious problem. People buy albums because they heard songs on the radio, not because the went to the record store and though the album cover looked interesting. If the RIAA can control what gets on the air, they can force artists to sign with them. This means that they get a huge cut and have the ability to control how most all music is distributed. They're using that power to maintain their monopoly. They aren't willing to allow the market to evolve, because it would mean that artists don't need them and they wouldn't get to take their huge cut of the revenues to pay for out dated distribution methods and promotion fees that are used to maintain the status quo. The methods they use appear to be agains a wide variety of laws, but the media is such a strong backer of the Dems that they aren't willing to push the issue, and it appears that most Republicans aren't willing to step up and point fingers at these big businesses either. Maybe most of these politicians are actually blind to what the RIAA is doing, and believe that they are only protecting themselves against piracy. If they are that stupid, they need to be replaced, if they aren't stupid, they're corrupt and need replaced. The problem is finding replacements that aren't just as bad.

    9. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by Aexia · · Score: 2

      Salon.com had a brilliant series of articles on the modern day payola system. They mostly focused on Clear Channel which is buying up these promoter companies(so you pay a middleman which is owned by the station) and penalizing artists(by not airing their songs) who don't use their promoters.

      The articles aren't on Premium so y'all should be able to read them just fine.

    10. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      Further, "passing around" copyrighted material is stealing and has nothing to due with fair use.


      This is what conventional wisdom and the law state. However, I disagree. In my opinion, "passing around" copyrighted material should be legal, as long as you do not attempt to make a profit from doing so. It is merely another type of speech, and an important one at that.


      That said, I think it is unethical behaviour to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labour without compensating them -- hence my .sig. But I think the right to say what I like to whom I like (as specified in my previous paragraph) is more important than someone else's right to get paid for their work -- if they really didn't want people distributing it, they should have kept it to themselves.


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    11. Re:Not *everything* is the fault of the MPAA. by ajs · · Score: 2

      Yes, you're right.

      My example was flawed, but I do not agree that her popularity as a Bunny^H^H^H^H^HMousketeer had anything to do with her overnight rise from no one to MTV sensation.

      Really, that was because she had a video that MTV spent countless hours playing over and over.

      And THAT was my point.

  10. More Political than Factual by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    FOX has a rep for being to the right and this tends to back up that perception.

    Many here will love the article because they agree with the conclusion that the law is a bad one but overall the article has little to do with copy right protection.

    The author is merely reflecting on poliitical ramifications for the Republicans and Democrats. In the process we see that Washington no longer worries about right vs. wrong- but rather solely on what will bring in votes and or money. Here the democrats have a bit of a pickle because they may have to choose rather than have both.

    I remain confident that the American people will be screwed regardless-- while the parties fight over their little kingdoms.

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  11. Interesting Political trend. by Penguinoflight · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Slashdot, as can be found out by looking at the Presidental poll from the 2000 election, is mostly democrat. Yet, the bad guy in SSSCA is a democrat, and the Republicans for the most part think the bill would wrong the American public.

    Republicans help big business! Democrats help the common man! Perhaps we should re-evaluate their views.

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    1. Re:Interesting Political trend. by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Unlikely that it's just that. Clinton argued in favor of decency/censorship laws for the Internet, if memory serves. Admittedly, he wasn't a traditional Democrat -- being willing to buck his party on issues like free trade and so forth -- but I don't remember a significant Democratic revolt on that issue. Sen. Lieberman and Tipper Gore also supported mandatory content-based ratings for movies and music on similar grounds.

      If it's an alliance on censorship, it's a shaky one -- just to keep the Democrats from allying briefly with the unusually motivated Christian core of the GOP (not a majority of the party, but they ARE unusually politically active) -- and not based on years of mutual friendship.

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    2. Re:Interesting Political trend. by rudedog · · Score: 2

      Name one Republican who has gone on record as saying that this bill would be wrong.

    3. Re:Interesting Political trend. by swb · · Score: 2

      You called it. The Democratic party is consistantly and strongly supported by Hollywood interests, although it would be wrong to assume Hollywood's corporate parents don't also pad the Republican party.

      I do think, though, that the Republicans wouldn't mind seeing Hollywood taken down a notch, even if it does involve potentially limiting the profit machine of a business interest.

    4. Re:Interesting Political trend. by nomadic · · Score: 2

      Slashdot, as can be found out by looking at the Presidental poll from the 2000 election, is mostly democrat.

      Where did THAT come from? Slashdot readers (or at least people who post) tend to be mainly right-wing; anti-environment, anti-regulation, anti-social spending.

      the Republicans for the most part think the bill would wrong the American public.

      The Republicans resent the fact that the bill is being introduced by a Democrat, and that the entertainment industry gives the Democrats more money.

      Republicans help big business! Democrats help the common man! Perhaps we should re-evaluate their views.

      Fine, re-evaluate their views. The evaluation will come out to the same thing; Republicans are overwhelmingly in favor of corporations and the rich. Just because on one issue they're right doesn't mean they don't shill for corporations a lot more than the Democrats.

    5. Re:Interesting Political trend. by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Name one concrete instance of how the GOP helped either Lay or Arthur Andersen cook the books, or conceal it. As far as I can tell, the WH staffers decided that it was too hot of a potato and didn't even dare forward it to the Pres., because of the bad press that his involvement would cause (no matter how justified, considering the impact on investor confidence in the overall market and accounting system).

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    6. Re:Interesting Political trend. by Drachemorder · · Score: 2
      Actually, from what I've read of comments here, I'd say that the Slashdot community tends to have more of a libertarian bent than anything, with perhaps a liberal bent in some issues.

      Really, it's very difficult to pigeonhole people into just "liberal" and "conservative" camps. People's ideologies just aren't that easy to label because each person brings different beliefs and philosophies to the table. Personally, I find myself siding with the Republicans on most issues, but I also nearly always disagree with them on "big business" issues. If I had to categorize myself, I'd have to say I'm a right-leaning libertarian.

    7. Re:Interesting Political trend. by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2
      Where did THAT come from? Slashdot readers (or at least people who post) tend to be mainly right-wing; anti-environment, anti-regulation, anti-social spending.

      I highly doubt the laid-off /.ers are anti-social spending. I think the predominant attitude here is one of independent thinking, not right-wing or left-wing. I, myself, am left-wing and I can't really say I feel uncomfortable here...

    8. Re:Interesting Political trend. by the+gnat · · Score: 2

      John McCain. Sam Brownback.

      Read it on Politech.

      Not that I think the Republican party sucks any less for this. McCain is a badass, though. Wish we had more of him and fewer like Lott.

    9. Re:Interesting Political trend. by rudedog · · Score: 2

      Agreed on McCain. He is an honorable man, and probably the only Republican I would ever vote for (assuming I could vote as a non-US citizen :-).

    10. Re:Interesting Political trend. by the+gnat · · Score: 2

      That's because McCain is a Democrat in Republican clothing.

      He's anti-abortion, bullish on the military, and opposes big government. Hardly Democratic ideals. McCain appears more Democratic because he tends to oppose some of his party's wilder ideas and their knee-jerk ideology, but don't make the mistake of thinking he's liberal. The American Conservative Union and Christian Coalition both rate him quite highly (at least last time I checked). Even when I disagree with him, though (I agree with very few things the Christian Coalition espouses), I'm pretty confident he's acting on principle. I can think of very few in either party I'd say the same for.

    11. Re:Interesting Political trend. by sheldon · · Score: 2

      Well you are mistaken on a great number of things.

      The music and movie industry does tend to favor the Democrats because the party tends to favor the 1st amendment moreso. As such they lobby the Democrats more, and so it is not surprising to see legislation supporting their industry being proposed by Democrats.

      It's not that the Republicans don't also support this legislation, they do. But they oppose the music and movie industry because they donate money to the Democrats.

      Which explains this article. Fox News is heavily biased in favor of Republicans, thus they have placed a political slant on this to make it look like the Democrats are bad. It's an interesting tactic because I'm sure they favor the bill, but this way they can help the GOP get positive press on it's good merits, and turn the Dems into scapegoats for it's bad merits.

    12. Re:Interesting Political trend. by LMCBoy · · Score: 2

      "That's because McCain is a Democrat in Republican clothing."

      Ah ha! No wonder I don't hate him...

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    13. Re:Interesting Political trend. by MattXVI · · Score: 2
      Well, that quote doesn't show how any actual policy decisions by the Republican administration helped Enron.

      In fact, most news accounts have pointed out that when Ken Lay came calling for help, pre-collapse, the administration told him to get lost. The only guy who lifted a finger for him was Robert Rubin, former Treasury Sec. for Clinton.

      As for the Energy policy Panel, it did have Enron advisement, among many others. But, for example, one of the biggest requests of the Enron guys - support for the Kyoto "anti-global warming" Treaty - was refused by the Bush Admin.

      So really, you have no point.

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    14. Re:Interesting Political trend. by MattXVI · · Score: 2

      Only in the latest election cycle. In fact, big corporations usually fund both parties, but favor the one they expect to win the next election cycle.

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    15. Re:Interesting Political trend. by flatrock · · Score: 2

      Republicans help big business! Democrats help the common man! Perhaps we should re-evaluate their views.

      Another way of looking at it is that is that Democrats and Republicans take different approaches to helping the common man. If a Democrat sees a group of homeless people, he tries to get them direct aid, such as food and shelter. If a republican sees the same group. He tries to get a business to open up in the area and provide them with jobs so that they can get their own food and shelter. In reality, a combination of both approaches usually meets the needs best, and Republicans and Democrats are usually arguing about which type of aid has more priority.

      Of course there are Republicans that abuse the power their influence gives them with big business, and there are Democrats that just want to buy votes with taxpayer money even if it doesn't solve any problems long term and just makes people dependent on the govenment.

      What makes this case different is that the media is involved. Democrats' power is with the common man, and you can't sway the opinion of the common man without the media on your side.

      What always get to me is that both the Democrats and the Media seem to have a really low opinion of the common man. They provide bogus statistics and propoganda to sway opinion. It seems like many of them do it because they honestly believe that the common man can be relied upon to make a good decision on their own. This is why I'm a republican and have a low opinion of the media. I don't believe everything I'm told by either party, and try and look at both sides of things before I make up my own mind on issues. The democrats claim to be for the common man, but it's usually the republican's that show more faith in the common man.

      There's Republicans who abuse the power this gives them with business

    16. Re:Interesting Political trend. by bnenning · · Score: 2
      The music and movie industry does tend to favor the Democrats because the party tends to favor the 1st amendment moreso.


      More accurately, the Democrats favor the same kind of free speech that Hollywood does. On the other hand, they are eager to prohibit speech when it suits their purposes, campus speech codes and encryption controls being prominent examples.


      It's not that the Republicans don't also support this legislation, they do.


      Can you substantiate this claim at all? Republicans don't like excessive government regulation of industry, which is exactly what the SSSCA does.

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    17. Re:Interesting Political trend. by Chops · · Score: 2
      From the CNet story on SSSCA from a while back:
      Hollings and Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, are co-sponsoring [SSSCA]...

      Vote the [wo]man, not the party.
    18. Re:Interesting Political trend. by sheldon · · Score: 2

      "Can you substantiate this claim at all? Republicans don't like excessive government regulation of industry, which is exactly what the SSSCA does."

      Sorry, that's another myth.

      Most regulations, such as say telecom or auto industry, etc. all work to form a barrier of entry into the market. That is, in order to sell product you have to meet the regulatory requirements, which means you need some substantial capital initially.

      Businesses tend to lobby against the regulations when the market is small and they see high growth potential(see Enron). But once the market matures, they lobby for regulations to keep competition out(see Telecom).

      It's quite enlightening to watch C-Span, you should do it some day.

      Oh, back to the Republicans. Again, follow the money... they are very much against regulations which are demanded by industries which support the Democrats financially, but are all for them when lobbied by their pet favorites.

  12. Don't forget Kelly by slugfro · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article also mentions Hollings teaming up with Democratic Senator John Kerry (CA) who has plans to run for President in 2004:
    Hollings was joined by Democratic Senators Barbara Boxer of California and John Kerry of Massachusetts, both of whom are heavily reliant on entertainment-industry money (with Kerry sure to become even more so if he runs for President in 2004, as expected).
    Sending a message via our ballots will become even more important if he really does run for president!
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  13. "Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by WinPimp2K · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is indeed a good slogan. But they could draft Charlton Heston as a spokeman too.

    How about:

    "Keep your stinking laws off my computer you filthy apes!" (the real "Planet Of the Apes")

    "Pop culture is people!" ("Soylent Green")

    There have to be some good possibilities from "the Ten Commandments" and "The Omega Man", but I just can't think of them...

    It's a pity those quotes couldn't be used while playing the clips from the movie they almost came from - it wouldn't quite make the fiar use criteria. :(

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  14. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by marcop · · Score: 2

    "So championing the cause of the little guy only counts until the bidding gets high enough."

    That's my favorite quote. It made me laugh, then cry. I am glad to see mainstream media ridicule these puppets we call leaders so blatantly. For a second I thought I was reading The UK Register.

  15. Re:coming of age for Fox? by Brandeissansoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not fox(x-files, family guy), it's Fox News. They've been doing a lot of very excellent journalism lately, especially with programs like The Oreilly Factor. They were the first to bring up the fact that the Red Cross, united way, and other charitable organizations were misusing donations from the money they collected under the guise of helping sept 11th victims. They carried the gary condit scandal before anyone. Fair and balanced, Fox News takes on both the democrats and republicans, and holds them accountable for their actions.

  16. Bought and paid for by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 3, Insightful
    To paraphrase Gore Vidal, the Democrats and the Republicans are both branches of the property party. The only difference is each party has different industries providing core corporate sponsorship.

    This is all great news anyway - the best way to stay away from corporate ownership of your computer and data is to stop buying their crappy content, which will have the beneficial side-effect of promoting indie artists.

  17. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by commonchaos · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bumper stickers would be awesome, I'm intrested!

  18. The spin of FoxNews by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 2

    While there's no doubt that the Democrats mentioned in the article are hardly acting with consumers' best interests in mind, it's laughable to believe that Republicans are going to lead the charge in the other direction as the author seems to suggest. Both parties are so in bed with big business that the difference between the two is is like vanilla vs. french vanilla.

    1. Re:The spin of FoxNews by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      *shrug*

      Unless you can convince somebody that it's a major political issue worth votes, or funding... why should they? They're merely representing the public views (mostly apathy and ignorance, except from the active participants on any given issue -- interest groups and issue-related companies).

      The author suggests that the GOP capitalize on this as going against the populist image that the Dems. like to cultivate, but given that the GOP isn't exactly a populist party either, I'm not convinced that it would sway anybody.

      Well, maybe the idealists in the Dems. who might consider abandoning the conventional parties and go towards... hrm, maybe Nader. But that probably wouldn't be THAT many, since most leftists realize that, at least at the state (most states, anyway) or Federal level, Naderite candidates have minimal electoral chances. So they'll compromise, just like unions largely supported Clinton regardless of NAFTA because the odds were that if Clinton wasn't re-elected, they'd get somebody whom they felt was even worse for their interests.

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  19. I'm shocked... (sarcasm) by jhaberman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    C'mon folks... you absolutely have to "follow the money" when looking
    for political motivation. From Enron to SSSCA. Nobody should be shocked when
    they hear something like this. Its just an extension of the old golden rule...
    he who has the gold, makes the rules. Unless the people (perhaps with help from
    the hardware manufacturers) vehemently make their views known, there will be
    people like this who try to run through legislation designed to screw the little
    guy.


    We obviously don't count as much in the process. Voters are needed to be elected...
    but MONEY is needed to get voters to vote for you. They don't get money from
    the voters. Besides... they figure we'll forget and just vote for the incumbent
    anyway.


    I'm babbling...


    Jason

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    He's totally creeping out the Great One, eh...
  20. Best part of the article by PaxTech · · Score: 2
    I mentioned the vulnerability of the record industry to racketeering charges a few months ago at an entertainment-law panel discussion that I was moderating, in the hopes of stirring up a hot dispute between lawyers who represent artists and those who represent record companies. But, strikingly, everyone there agreed that the record companies were vulnerable on this ground.

    Come on, DOJ, let's have some RICO investigations of the MPAA and RIAA! Here's a chance to make up for dropping the ball in the MS case..

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  21. One of which may run for President by slugfro · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I see your point but dont't forget that the article mentions that one of those two other Democrats that you mention is planning on running for President in 2004.
    Hollings was joined by Democratic Senators Barbara Boxer of California and John Kerry of Massachusetts, both of whom are heavily reliant on entertainment-industry money (with Kerry sure to become even more so if he runs for President in 2004, as expected).
    Then the fact that John Kerry is backed by the entertainment industry will become very important indeed.
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  22. And for those of us who have figured that out by loosenut · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do something about it!

    Visit the EFF:
    http://www.eff.org/alerts/20010921_eff_sssca_alert .html

    I used that page to send a few emails to my Congresspeople. And they are listening!! I got this reply from Senator Maria Cantwell:

    Dear ---:
    Thank you for contacting me about the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA). I appreciate hearing your concerns.

    The SSSCA has not yet been introduced in the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives, nor does it exist in final form. My staff has been in contact with the Senator Hollings' office, one of the authors of the SSSCA along with Senator Stevens. I was informed that the SSSCA is yet to be completed, and the timeline for the introduction of the SSSCA is uncertain at this point. The early draft that was made publicly available on the Internet, to which your comments are likely directed, may be significantly different from the legislation that may be introduced by Senators Hollings and Stevens. You may be interested to know that Sen. Hollings held a hearing in the Senate Commerce Committee to address this issue on February 28 (To view statements and testimony from this hearing, see: http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/hearings.htm)

    I understand your concern that we must work to achieve the right balance between protecting copyrights and remunerating the creators of those works and reasonable consumer use of copyrighted works. Indeed, the pace of innovation requires a diligent consideration of both of these interests. I believe that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) passed in 1998 helps to accomplish this goal. I feel we need to continue to encourage innovation in technology while protecting the intellectual property rights of inventors, artists, authors and musicians. The DMCA prohibits circumvention of technological protection measures and the trafficking of such technology. Thus, the law facilitates legitimate distribution of copyrighted work by allowing for the use of technological measures by the copyright holder and providing legal protections for those measures. However, you should know that I will not be supportive of legislation that unduly limits technological innovation or consumers' rights.

    At this relatively early point in the development of digital distribution of copyrighted works, the U.S. Copyright Office has recommended that Congress make no significant changes to copyright law right now. As a member of the Judiciary Committee, which has jurisdiction over copyright law, I will be actively considering these issues. Please be assured that should the SSSCA come before the Senate, I will keep your concerns in mind.

    Again, thank you for contacting me, and please do not hesitate to do so in the future if I can be of further assistance.

    Sincerely,

    Maria Cantwell United States Senator

    1. Re:And for those of us who have figured that out by lunenburg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "I believe that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DCMA) passed in 1998 helps to accomplish this goal. I feel we need to continue to encourage innovation in technology while protecting the intellectual property rights of inventors, artists, authors and musicians."

      Warning! Contradiction encountered! Dumping core...

      Well, maybe not. She didn't mention anything about the rights of the citizens...

    2. Re:And for those of us who have figured that out by mikeboone · · Score: 5, Informative

      If I remember correctly, Maria Cantwell used to work for Real Networks. So I could see her siding with the DMCA since "secure" content transmission is part of her former employer's business.

    3. Re:And for those of us who have figured that out by Drachemorder · · Score: 2
      Do my eyes deceive me, or does the Senator's reply actually seem relevant to the topic you wrote to her about?

      Help! The world is ending!!

    4. Re:And for those of us who have figured that out by HiThere · · Score: 2

      And I got a reply from Senator Feinstein. She promissed to take my opinions into consideration. It was quite polite, and left me feeling optomistic. But she didn't really commit herself. So I remain a bit dubious.
      .

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    5. Re:And for those of us who have figured that out by RAVasquez · · Score: 2

      I got the same reply from Sen. Cantwell. For the record, she's also a Democrat, though more aligned with the Washington State tech industry than the entertainment cartels.

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  23. Fair and balanced? ROFTL.. by PaxTech · · Score: 2

    Not that any of the other bug news channels are either, but Fox News' idea of fair and balanced just means that they tilt right as far
    as CNN tilts left.

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  24. Foxed? by QuantumG · · Score: 2

    What's that? They gunna put lots of soft porn around the article?

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    1. Re:Foxed? by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Boxing, bouncing bikini-clad Playmates delivering news commentary, perhaps?

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  25. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't it be:

    "Get your laws off my computer, you d*mned dirty CongressApe"!!!!

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  26. Who is Glenn Reynolds? by rtos · · Score: 5, Informative
    The article was written by Glenn Reynolds. He also maintains a rather cool weblog at Instapundit.com. More information about him can be found here, from which I will blockquote:
    " WHO IS GLENN REYNOLDS? I'm a law professor at the University of Tennessee. I write various law review articles, opeds, and other stuff. My most recent book is The Appearance of Impropriety: How the Ethics Wars Have Undermined American Government, Business and Society, (The Free Press, 1997) coauthored with Peter W. Morgan. For something completely different, see Environmental Regulation of Nanotechnology: Some Preliminary Observations, from the April, 2001 Environmental Law Reporter. (Sorry, but most law review articles aren't on the Web).

    I'm interested in everything, but my chief interest is in the intersection between advanced technologies and individual liberty. The vast majority of my writing touches on this in one way or another.

    I'm also very interested in music. I produce, write for, or perform with a number of bands (but not "Pachyderm Party" -- that's a different Glenn Reynolds), including Mobius Dick, The Nebraska Guitar Militia, and the Defenders of the Faith. I own a small record company (it's not organized as a nonprofit, but it might as well be) with my brother and another guy, called WonderDog Records. Some of my favorite acts are Cecilia Noel and the Wild Clams, BT, The Supreme Beings of Leisure, and, of course, Creedence Clearwater Revival."


    And he may be one of the few columnists out there that hates the RIAA as much as the Slashdot crowd.


    I thought a little background on him would be appropriate since all the claims of conservative bias and such started being flung around.

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  27. More RIAA insanity by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    This is a new one for me:

    Record companies regularly deduct 15 percent off the top of sales as an allowance for "breakage" -- a survival from the days of shellac records that now simply serves to reduce artist royalties by that amount.

    Ok, I guess I can understand if they're shipping fragile records. (Still wouldn't you take better precautions?) But CDs? If 15% of the CDs you ship are defective when they reach the consumer's CD player, something in the chain from CD press to consumer needs to be re-examined. Of course, the RIAA isn't *really* claiming that 15% of the sales are of "broken" merchandise, it's just a good way to say: "Hey Mr. Artist, we're only paying you for 85% of the royalties we owe you."

    Then again, if they introduce copy-protected CDs in wide release, this breakage number might just skyrocket.

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  28. Chicken or egg? by PhilMills · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You assert:

    Okay, assume that statement is fully true, and major labels pay radio stations big bucks to play their manufactured hitmaker of the week. This is keeping the interesting artists off the air?
    Wrong.
    Somebody listens to it. Someone buys the albums. N'Sync didn't get big because of major label payola, they got big because some clown looked at a shelf in a record store, and said, 'I want THIS one!'

    Wrong.
    Think about this: why do people say "I want THIS one!"? I don't know of anyone who trolls the local music shop buying albums because the cover art is keen or because the band has some uber-cool name like "59 Pink Wallabies". People buy records from music stores because they say "Hey - I recognize the name of that band. I heard them on the radio on the way to work yesterday." Give the local "interesting" stuff some air time and their albums (assuming they aren't crap) will go flying off the shelves, too!


    philmills

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    1. Re:Chicken or egg? by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      But it still has to be reasonably acceptable, quality-wise, to the buyer. "New Coke", for instance, was not. More related to the topic, NKOTB didn't last that long, either, IIRC. Many heavily-advertised movies have fallen flat. "Blair Witch" -- perhaps the movie epitome of the "spend oodles money on advertising how little was spent on content" philosophy -- faded reasonably quickly, and AFAICT the sequels faded even faster.

      Advertising and air-time can increase recognition, but it takes a certain degree of minimum acceptability to generate return sales.

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  29. Re:money talks by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    Thanks for the stereotyping. I don't know about gessel, but I live in Los Angeles. I must be an ultra-liberal Dem, right?

    Wrong, I'm a registered Libertarian.

    To use your logic, based on your postm you obviously must be a sister-marrying beer-drinking redneck from the South.

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  30. Re:coming of age for Fox? by sqlrob · · Score: 2, Interesting
    They've been doing a lot of very excellent journalism lately

    They have?

  31. Re:Wait a second... by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 3

    quoting so, those not at -1 can see:

    You Americans think that CNN is on the left?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Is this some kind of joke? Do you really believe that?


    The scary part is in America right now, it IS on the left. Really.

  32. Magic word: "unduly" by sulli · · Score: 2
    I will not be supportive of legislation that unduly limits technological innovation or consumers' rights.

    You're screwed.

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    sulli
    RTFJ.
  33. Democrats usually are on the right side...not here by bief · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a staunch Democrat and always have been, but on this issue I must agree with the "fair and balanced" Fox news and I bet that most other Democrats would also. On most issues Democrats consistently come out in favor of consumer's rights. You only have to look at historical examples ranging from automobile safety to the breakup of AT&T to realize that the precedent strongly favors the Dems. For the most part we are in favor of government assistance in balancing the playing field (mostly by trying to check the interests of big corporations). The Microsoft trial is a great example. The case was vigorously pursued by the Clinton administration and it looks like the Bush administration is basically giving up on it.

    That's why the SSSCA is such an interesting case. It looks and smells very bad indeed when you have prominent Democratic leaders like Hollings, Boxer and Kerry falling in line with the people who gave them huge amounts of money.

    The author also tries to compare this to the Enron debacle--please...how many people lost their life savings here... But I do think that they have one thing in common. They are both fabulous examples of why we need meaningful campaign finance reform.

  34. Some numbers that are in the actual SSSCA document by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Being Caught with 1 "illegal" copyright work: $25,000
    Being Caught 3 years later with an "illegal" copyright work: $75,000
    Total: $100,000

    For 1000 mp3s: $100,000,000 (100 million)

    And according to the SSSCA, an illegal work would be an mp3 of a song on a CD that you yourself bought. Or when the "secure content checker" written about in the SSSCA is on all computers, an illegal work is a work it doesn't recognize, such as a term paper you wrote 5 years ago.

    $100,000 for trying to read your own paper.

  35. An analogy for the SSSCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Original SSSCA.

    Statement of Yakval Enti, spokesman of the MPAA (Mnemonists, Praise-singers, and Anthemists Association) to His Highness Hammurabi, King of Sumeria:

    Your Majesty: I wish to call you attention to a severe threat to the security of your kingdom, and the livelihoods of thousands of your subjects.

    After Shamash sets and the people kick back after a long day of growing millet, they desire entertainment. Their favorite forms are stories, tales, and sagas, told by the members of the MPAA. Talented boys spend up to 12 years learning the tales by heart at the feet of the masters. Any evening MPAA members can be found in the taverns singing the old tales, praising the praiseworthy, and creating new tales from the old.
    This system has worked well since the beginning of time - there were storytellers at your coronation, there were storytellers at your father's coronation, and there were storytellers in the caves of our ancestors.

    This natural arrangement is now threatened from an unexpected direction - the scribes and accountants. The geeks' system of recording numbers and quantities has been perverted to freeze speech onto clay.

    Understand the threat to our business model. At the moment, if someone wants to hear 'The Tale of the Ox, the Ass and the Sumerian', they find an MPAA member, pay him, and sit back to listen to the whole four hour saga. While anyone could recall and tell others the general outline, only MPAA members know every detail and can give the listener the whole story. If you want to hear it again, you pay again. Thousands of MPAA members rely on this fact for their livelihoods.

    With the recent invention of "writing" the system is in danger of collapse. We've found that some scribes are actually "recording" entire sagas onto clay. Any scribe can "read" these out to people for free or for money, complete and word-for-word, without being a member of or paying the MPAA! A scribe who has obtained a set of tablets of an story can even read it an unlimited number of times, or (worst of all) make copies. This is starting to have an economic impact on our membership. Consider Rimat-Ninsun, whose masterwork "The Epic of Gilgamesh" took him three years to create, and who looked to it to put bread on his table into his old age, as he told it for money, or let others tell it under paid license after learning it from him. 'Gilgamesh' is now circulating on 12 clay tablets, and Rimat is starving. Who will bother to create new tales if they are just going to be written down?

    "Writing" presents insidious dangers to your kingdom as well. It can be anonymous. Before writing, any message arrived with a person to speak it, who could be held accountable for their speech. With writing, it is impossible to tell what scribe "wrote" a message. Anonymous threats, kidnap notes, and untraceable sedition are now possible. Clearly "writing" carries with it far greater problems for our civilization than it does advantages.

    However, scribes, accountants, and their skills are essential to business, contracts, laws, and the collection of taxes. We just need to make sure that they are controlled properly.

    I therefore propose the Scribal Stylus Safety Control Act. (SSSCA). This requires every scribe to have an MPAA approved, "literate" slave with him at all times, peering over his shoulder. If a scribe is seen to be "writing' something other then accounting information, for example a story (stories are the province of MPAA storytellers), or a message (which should have been given to a paid mnenomist for delivery), or anything seditious, then the slave will take away the scribe's stylus and call the authorities. I ask you to have this Act "written" into your Code of Law.

    Is this difficult? Yes. Is it expensive? Yes. However, it is clear that without strict controls, widespread "writing" will not only destroy the entertainment industry, it will threaten civilisation itself!

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    Disclaimer:
    The above are strictly the personal opinions of myself, and I'd be astonished if my employer had any official position on the matter (so don't pretend otherwise).

    Feel free to copy this document in its entirety, with proper attribution.

    Peter Trei
    ptrei@rsasecurity.com

  36. Something to note... by StevenMaurer · · Score: 2, Troll

    For all the typical Democrat bashing in the Fox "news" article, it doesn't mention a single Republican who is actually against this POS bill. In fact, the only one who is actually against it is another Democrat.

    The author states the Republicans have an "opportunity" here because they're fed up with Democrats occasionally failing to live up to their "for the little guy" rhetoric. He thinks the public prefers Republicans who are quite forthright about selling laws to the highest corporate bidder.

    It's kind of like saying people weren't mad at Clinton for cheating on his wife - they were mad at him for not divorcing her afterwards - like all the holier-than-thou Republican politicians do to their first-wives.

    In my darker moments I wonder if he's right. But we'll see come election time.

  37. +2 Informative? by Fourier · · Score: 2

    Come on now, how about "Redundant"? It appears that FOX News is perfectly capable of handling a little slashdotting. Aside from the copyright issues, no need to screw them out of ad revenue.

    There has got to be a better comment to blow some modpoints on...

  38. Fair and balanced BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.fair.org/extra/0108/fox-main.html

    Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting talks about how Fair and Balanced Fox News is.

  39. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by sharkey · · Score: 2

    Omega Man: Hi Big Brother, how's your owner, The Mouse?

    Ten Commandments: Let my PCs go!

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  40. I hate to opine for Fox "News'... by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Interesting to see them run Op-Ed from a lawyer witha grasp on the issue. Of course, Republicans can stand to capitalize on ubiquitous, enencumbered digital media as "Bread and Circuses", while pursuing the corporate agendas of Big oil, etc...

    Vote Repulsocrat!

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  41. To bad... by atheos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To bad fox is only printing this article to bash Democrats. They don't care about the SSSCA nearly as bad as the fact that a key Democrat supports it. If it was the other way around, fox would be talking about something else.

  42. SSSCA by maxwells+daemon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA), a version of which is posted at http://216.110.42.179/docs/hollings.090701.html Think of your reader.

  43. simple language, poor explanation by Paolomania · · Score: 2, Insightful
    the article explains why the SSSCA is so bad, in language any American can understand

    ummm ... the language may be easy to understand, but it hardly serves as an explanation. here are all sentences contained in the article which could be surmised as being descriptive of the SSSCA:
    • would mandate the inclusion of copy-protection in every digital device and every computer operating system

    • record companies ... want to make it a felony for you to own a computer that is capable of copying music from a CD to your portable player without paying them money
    looks like slashdot has been trolled by FOX news!
  44. Republicans not leading the charge? by GMontag · · Score: 2

    Actuallt, the Republicans ARE leading the charge in the House against this bill. House Cool to Copy Protection.

    This story is from 4 March 2002. Not complaining that my submission was rejected then, I probably detracted from the facts too much when I submitted.

    Anyway, the information is there, cheers!

    1. Re:Republicans not leading the charge? by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 2

      In that very article it says:

      "We agree with Sen. Hollings that a solution to this problem has to be found," Johnson said, adding that committee chairman Billy Tauzin (R-Louisiana) supports the concept of the SSSCA.

      Sounds like their objections are less philosophical than political.

    2. Re:Republicans not leading the charge? by The+Cat · · Score: 2

      Whoops! No House version. Oh, well. Guess it's time to amend the Constitution so only the Senate has to vote to pass laws regarding copyright. Oh, wait, that needs the House too...

      GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY!!!

    3. Re:Republicans not leading the charge? by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 2

      Whether this happens because of this particular bill being passed, a future bill down the road, or industry implementing its own system, the end result is the same. That quote is relevant because if the Republican leadership involved is in favor of what the SSSCA is about in principle, we're screwed one way or another.

  45. Write Your Senators! (nicely, please) by amacbride · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is the text of a submission I just made to Barbara Boxer's website.

    (If you're going to write, PLEASE be a grownup: typical Slashdot flaming gets us nowhere.)

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    Dear Senator Boxer,

    I was a bit surprised to hear that you are favoring Senator Hollings' SSSCA bill. While there are real concerns about illegal file-sharing, an overly-broad and intrusive bill like the SSSCA is absolutely not the way to go about it.

    As a technical professional (software architect, security and database systems), I strongly believe that putting hardware copy-control devices into general consumer PCs is a terrible idea, one that will help stifle creativity in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Code is speech, and there are many people who are quite passionate about this issue, and others having to do with free and open access to technology. I, for one, am made very uncomfortable about mysterious black boxes, legislated into hardware, over which I have no control.

    The problem is that the PC is a very general device, and requiring "certification" for every operating system/hardware combination will merely enrich the mainstream at the expense of the cutting edge. This sort of legislation is very dangerous to the continued health of Silicon Valley innovation. Our neighbors to the south in Hollywood have legitimate concerns, but harming one signature California industry to help another strikes me as the wrong approach.

    Thank you for your attention,

    Andrew MacBride

  46. Isn't this basically corruption? by eggstasy · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm sorry if this sounds ignorant or something, but... Isn't taking a boatload of money in exchange for making a law basically corruption?

    You may call it "campaign contributions" but it's fairly obvious to anyone what the real purpose of the money is. Hell I wouldnt be surprised if the (RI/MP)AA was writing up the laws and having Hollings just sign on the dotted line.

    If it's so bloody obvious that the guy is "bought" why on earth is no one raising an awful ruckus about it? Well shit if the guy was getting a BJ from some intern (which doesnt hurt anyone) all hell would break loose, but since he is "just" getting money from Big Business in order to make a law for them, I guess it's all ok!?!?

    I'm from Portugal and AFAIK there isn't anything like that here, if some politician was caught receiving money from a big company in exchange for trying to make a law that favours it, well it would be an enormous scandal!

    Why isn't anyone arresting that Hollings idiot?
    What on earth are your laws like, that they permit your politicians to be so obviously and openly corrupt??

    1. Re:Isn't this basically corruption? by freeweed · · Score: 2
      Since corps. and businesses can't vote per se, the thinking is that they should be able to help get politicans who agree with them elected.

      And this is precisely what is the problem with campaign finances as they stand today. If a corporation wants to influence who gets elected, well guess what: there is a CEO. A CFO. A board of directors. Thousands of employees. You name it. If these people want their livelyhood protected, let THEM vote. Seeing as they already can, why should even more political pressure be allowed by a corporation?

      Oh wait, that would make sense; I forgot we were talking about politics :)

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  47. Barbara Boxer of California implicated by nbahi15 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just got off the phone with the Technology affairs guy in Barbara Boxer's Washington office. He is denying any support of SSSCA by Barbara Boxer at this time. I read him the accusation from the article and gave him the info. He was less than happy.

  48. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by gamgee5273 · · Score: 2

    Wait, wait, wait! Hollings is a Southern Democrat, son. Anybody with an inkling of politics will tell you that some Southern Dems are even more conservative than some Southern Repulicans. Making statements like "Can I get an AMEN! It is now offical, I am becoming a republican" is as silly as it is ignorant. Are you going to tow the Republican Party line when it comes to support of the DMCA? Vote for the people who make the most sense, for chrissakes! Don't vote for a blasted party!

  49. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Insightful

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  50. Will the Republicans lead the charge? by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While there's no doubt that the Democrats mentioned in the article are hardly acting with consumers' best interests in mind, it's laughable to believe that Republicans are going to lead the charge in the other direction as the author seems to suggest.

    Sure they will. If it will help them garner more votes in the next election, they will use this as a club to beat down the Democrats. Though, you are right, neither side is really any better than the other. All our polictical system really is, is an attempt by the people to play the two sides against the middle, and hope that we end up with something at least palatable, if not good. And that is exactly where politictal commentary like this comes in (it is really a political piece). It helps to set public opinion against something that is disagreeable, and at the same time helps to present the Republicans with a perfect opportunity to slam the Democrats with it. This makes it more likely the that Republicans will take up arms on this one and probably kill it. Was either side really more moral or better than the other? No, but in the end the people won on this count because the bad bill was killed, and that is what we are after.
    Ya, its a screwed up system, but its all we have at the moment, so we'd better make the best of it. The only power "We the People" have is our vote. It may not seem like much, but en masse they can be very convincing to a carrer politician.

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  51. Re:Democrats usually are on the right side...not h by Stonehand · · Score: 2

    Incidentally, both national parties are racing to collect as much soft money as they can before McCain-Feingold has any chance of kicking in. If it's passed and signed as-is, then that's the end of the road, and that money will instead be going to state parties and interest groups.

    I wonder if that's a factor in the timing of trying to push this particular legislation.

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  52. Re:Ignorant by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

    Senators have been doing terribly in recent presidential races. Governors/VPs seem to have a much better shot in national elections.

    This seems to be the Dem's biggest concern in 2004: lack of decent, available gubenatorial candidates to face GWB.

    He (Kerry) may win a primary or two; my bet is on the Dems tring to fashion Al Gore into a "second-time-arounder". Don't think it will work, though.

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  53. NEVER listen to Fox News. by Triv · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check this out: FAIR Special Report: The Most Biased Name in News. Fox has a history of misrepresenting the facts.

    Triv

    1. Re:NEVER listen to Fox News. by kawaichan · · Score: 2

      What do you expect from the channel that "explain" that we never landed on the moon so they can get ratings?

      What about killing off futurma???

      This network is pretty crappy IMO, I know CNN is pretty bias these days but at least it beats anything else out there.

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    2. Re:NEVER listen to Fox News. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Um, the unfairness of Fox is incredibly apparent to anyone who is not right wing to begin with.

      FAIR is left wing? What the hell is left wing? Let me define it for you:

      Left wing: (adjective) Non-representative of the views of hard core conservative white men. Example: "FAIR indicates that 90+ percent of commentators and guests on the FOX NEWS network are far right wing. Q.E.D.: FAIR is left wing because they do not pretend that this is fair. And probably made up of left-leaning Kennedy-loving commie-pinko terrorist-making tax-and-spend fag-coddlin' LIBERALS!!! And Bush is a God! Hail Bush!"

      I'm not very far off the mark here.

    3. Re:NEVER listen to Fox News. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      FAIR, at least, can count on their fingers. And they document extensively that FOX NEWS is a right-wing site dedicated soley to destroying the credibility of anyone who does not agree with their beliefs.

      Hell, Murdoch created the network basically to destroy Clinton. Every man jack on board that network needs cult deprogramming. They are STILL running reports on Monica Lewinsky. Still trying to nail Clinton for SOMEthing. Parenthetically, it's pathetic that after all these years and Scaife's millions, they couldn't find anything on a governor of Arkasas, for God's sake, one of the most politically corrupt states in the nation. It just might be because he kept his nose miraculously clean. The other explantion is that his political persecutors are incompetents.

      A blowjob, for all of that. 200 FBI agents and 70 million dollars. And they only got the testimony on Lewinsky into the court by lying to the judge about it's relevance to the Paula Jones deposition. Starr's boy's should have had some sort of reprimand from the judge, but that was overwhelmed by fun dirty sex secret stories.

      And FOX the mighty is still implying that the entire Clinton admin was lousy with pinko liberal criminals. Um, listen. There were no indictments of anyone working for Clinton. No convictions. And this is with rightwing near-psychopathic human hounds trying to get ANYthing.

      Bush and Reagan had dozens of convictions of their people. Jail time. Lying. Dealing with terrorists. And a lot of those people are now in the current administration -- hence Boy George's permanent lockup of all of Reagan/Bush's daily records. No that he extended such "privacy" to Clinton, of course.

      FAIR at least can count and present evidence that the deck not only is stacked cold at FOX, it is dripping liquid helium. Dispute their counting abilities; don't ad hominem them for being "liberal" (GASP!) which only impresses the rightwingers among us anyway.

  54. Free speech or intellectual-property? by Dick+Tracy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think Fox News is very good at presenting the facts. It is also very good at presenting eloquent opinions about tough subjects. Further, Fox is a real news organization contrary to other opinions here, if you count CNN as a real news organization anyway. Fox has put a big dent in CNN's ratings, and has in fact beat CNN on many occasions in the ratings game.

    Ironically, Fox News' parent company News Corp had its senior executives testifying to Senator Ernest Hollings' committee that high-tech companies were hypocritical for suing others for intellectual-property violations while failing to develop software or hardware to protect entertainment.

    Looks to me that Fox News enjoys the freedom to tell the truth, even if the business end of the company seeks political intervention as a solution to a market problem. I cannot say I feel the same for other so called Networks who lean left and don't admit it.

    I do have to say that our industry would do itself a huge favor by developing technologies that allow for better protection of intellectual-property for all types of electronic content. Not only will it move us towards wider consumer use of technology, but will protect intellectual-property from misuse which leads to high costs for all of us.

    Question is: How do we protect free speech and the rights of intellectual-property owners? That is the next billion dollar high-tech industry!

  55. Warning: political ideas ahead! by uigrad_2000 · · Score: 2
    This might seem odd for a senior member of the Democratic Party, which usually styles itself a friend of the little guy, and it can?t simply be explained away as an eccentricity his - Hollings was joined by Democratic Senators Barbara Boxer of California and John Kerry of Massachusetts, both of whom are heavily reliant on entertainment-industry money (with Kerry sure to become even more so if he runs for President in 2004, as expected).

    How is this surprising for the democratic party? Generally, they are the ones that think that a free market can't solve its own problems.

    Creating more laws and restrictions is the way that business is done, for him and his colleauges.

    Moderation totals: +5 troll

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  56. Time for Galt's Gulch? by Arandir · · Score: 2

    Is it time to pull a Galt's Gulch? The trouble with this bill is that no one outside of geekdom really understands it. It took me about a half hour to explain to my mother, so thirty second sound bites just won't work to get our message out.

    But there's another way to get their attention. The result of this bill will be to criminalize all free operating systems. So let's just talke all those free operating systems offline for one day and see how the world copes. On one particular day everyone who runs a Linux or BSD machine takes them off the net. Let's see how well the world can cope without these illegal and unethical machines.

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  57. Con artist's advice by michael_cain · · Score: 2
    I once had the interesting experience of spending some time with a small time con man and got to discuss his line of work. He said that the first rule to remember is "Don't be too greedy." That so long as you didn't gouge too many people too often or too deeply, you could get away with cheating them practically forever. You got caught and punished when you got "too greedy."

    I think the members of the RIAA and MPAA have forgotten the rule, and decided that they can get away with cheating everyone all the time.

  58. Re:Can I get some opinion from other countries? by rudedog · · Score: 2

    What exactly is the phrase "fair and balanced" supposed to imply if it doesn't imply unbiased? Faux News chants that mantra over and over again. As for the idiot Bernie Goldberg, try these URLs for kicks: here, and here. There's plenty more on that site as well. Not that I actually expect a Faux sheep be willing to accept an alternate viewpoint.

  59. Re:Surprising by rudedog · · Score: 2

    It doesn't matter anyway. By Republican logic, it doesn't matter how much you get, it only matters if you got any at all. At least that's the stance they're taking with respect to Enron contributions, where the Republicans got ~70% of the total, but Democrats and Republicans are equally guilty.

  60. Re:Can I get some opinion from other countries? by Stonehand · · Score: 2

    Fox News Channel does claim to be even-handed, if memory serves, even while some of their commentators were were all-Condit-all-the-time (I mean, *extreme* overkill clearly trying to nail him. Sure, he deserved to be nailed, but beyond his constituents and those who knew Levy, was it really that important? *shrug*)

    On the other hand, their broadcast program (Fox News Sunday) is actually pretty decent. Their interviewers seem capable of noticing dodgy, uninformative answers and asking direct questions, even of GOPers like Rumsfeld or Lott. Likewise, one week they might interview an Israeli official, the next a Palestinian Authority spokeswoman.

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  61. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by the+gnat · · Score: 2

    It is now offical, I am becoming a republican. ;).

    Yeah, they've done a great job looking out for our freedom. Republican politicians pander to American voters' xenophobia, homophobia, religous bigotry, greed, and self-righteousness. I'm not a liberal- I think the Democratic party promotes class warfare, race-baiting, and paranoia among every conceivable minority group- but I despise the intolerant views and phony free-market obsession that the GOP stands for. Either party is willing to drop any illusion of having principles in order to wring the last bit of cash out of special interest groups and corporations.

    We're pretty much screwed here. Reform Party? Puh-leaze. Greens? Hippy communists. The only hope is to reform the existing parties from within. Let's see how many Republicans vote for McCain-Feingold, and then talk about switching affilitations.

  62. Re:money talks by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2
    sister-marrying beer-drinking redneck...

    Come on, be fair. More marry their cousins and some of 'em even drink cheap wine when they're out on a date with 'em.

    And they all watch Fox News when Pro Wrestlin' ain't on...

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  63. The more interesting story by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is how the article touches on corruption in the recording industry.

    If a big deal was made about how record companies were not only exploitive, but participating in illegal activities, it would cut the legs out from under their arguments.

    Payola and 'breakage' are just the tip of the iceberg. Lets hope a more credible news source picks this up and turns the big labels into the next Enron.

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  64. G.A.S. by smagruder · · Score: 2

    Did you know that Olestra causes Greasy Arse Syndrome? So much so that Depends is about to ship their new "G.A.S. diapers" to Walmart stores.

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  65. Re:Surprising by Stonehand · · Score: 2

    Hmmmmm. I seem to remember that the RIAA was once investigated for price-fixing with regards to CDs, but I don't recall the results.

    With financing... unless you can show explicit bribery, rather than merely "we're contributing to your campaign because we like your record, or we hate your opponents", or another violation of campaign laws like exceeding hard money contribution limits via the use of straw donors... not really.

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  66. Re:coming of age for Fox? by the+gnat · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    Bill O'Reilly brought a USF CS professor of Arabic descent onto his show and accused him of supporting known terrorists- a charge proven false some time ago by numerous other news organizations and federal agencies. O'Reilly said (roughly) "If I were the FBI, I wouldn't let you out of my sight for a moment." The poor prof- who made an ill-advised remark about Israel more than a decade ago and has since recanted- barely got a chance to respond. I used to like O'Reilly, but this episode was sickening. It's as shoddy as Geraldo, and far more damaging. Shame on Fox.

  67. Re:Wait a second... by Moridineas · · Score: 2

    I would say that the scary part is the CNN would be on the right in Europe!!

    Btw, I'm also curious if the post knocking the US gets modded up, and this one gets modded down.

  68. Record industry nastiness by swillden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One paragraph of the article said:

    Talk about screwing the little guy: audits of record companies routinely indicate "errors" that are always in the companies' favor. (Recording artist Peggy Lee just won a big judgment, and many other artists' lawsuits are pending)

    This brought back some memories of conversations I had while consulting for one of the major record companies. Not only is the slanting of "errors" in the favor of the companies common, it's completely intentional and so common that the industry has a name and an acronym for it.

    The term is "settle on audit" and the acronym, obviously, SOA. What it means is that if a particular clause in an artists contract is too much of a pain to apply correctly, or even if the company just feels like it, they deliberately choose to err in their own favor, with the idea that when (or if!) the artist chooses to pay a third party auditor to come look at the books, they'll just negotiate a settlement.

    In some cases, the contract clauses are so bizarre and impossible to apply that this actually makes a twisted sort of sense (what would really make sense is to write contracts that can actually be executed), but the record companies apply this technique in lots of other situations as well.

    And, if that weren't enough, they also make absolutely no effort beyond the minimum required by the contract language to facilitate these audits. One common practice is that when the auditors request sales records, rather than giving them the information in a nice, easily-manipulable electronic format (which is what the companies use to look at and process the data themselves), they print it all out and provide it in paper format, sorted in some less than ideal way. For a major artist that has sold millions of CDs these paper records can fill dozens of large boxes -- truckloads of paper. And the auditor is paid by the artist, typically by the hour.

    I guess in one way all this chicanery is actually in the artists' favor: The artist never has to wonder whether it's worth it to pay an auditor, because however much the auditor charges, they can always be sure that the record company has screwed them for worse, so they'll come out ahead in the end. I pointed this out and the folks I was talking to said that there was some debate over that point, that maybe they'd be better off playing it a little closer so that some sizeable percentage of audits showed no underpayments. But they're pretty sure they get to keep more of the artists' money this way.

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  69. Enron Boy Scouts? by justin+sane · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what a load of BS, Enron did far more damage but sicne *they* gave money to Republicans, Fox calls them Boy Scouts compared to Entertainment Industry. As far as I can tell, the ET hasn't been shredding documents, wiping out retirements accounts, pleading the Fifth, and holding secret metings with the Vice President. What balanced objective reproting--NOT!

    1. Re:Enron Boy Scouts? by Steve+B · · Score: 2
      Enron did far more damage


      Enron did no damage -- everybody they approached for special favors turned them down. Cash-and-carry Hollings, on the other hand, is a political prostitute willing to sell his vote.

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  70. Cantwell & RealNetworks by JWhiton · · Score: 2

    Yeah, Cantwell used to own a ton of stock in RealNetworks, as I recall. I imagine she still does. She was with the company when it began becoming successful.

    Because of Real's success, she used a large part of her personal cash to fund her election campaign against Republican Senator Slade Gorton. She had to take out a ton of loans from the Democratic Party, but she was elected in the end, albiet by a very, very small majority. Nearly all of her support came from Seattle and outlying areas, Slade won nearly all of the votes in rural Washington.

    I'd rather see her in office than Slade, but I worry about how much she'll defend companies like MS, because, well...they're her constituents.

    1. Re:Cantwell & RealNetworks by donutello · · Score: 2

      Real is a competitor to Microsoft.

      Any senator representing Washington will naturally defend Microsoft - after all a large section of their constituents depend on the company for their livelihood. Maria is probably less pro-Microsoft than anyone else who would have been elected, though.

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    2. Re:Cantwell & RealNetworks by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 2

      She won by a very small plurality, not a majority (she got less than 60%), and had it not been for third party candidates, she likely would have lost. See here for a Flash demo on the Green Party's proposal that would prevent spoiler candidates like the one in Washington and Nader from affecting these things (and an actual good use of Flash!).

      I preferred her over Slade Gordon, who was "The Senator From Microsoft," but I would rather she had actually won by having more people want her in office than Gordon.

    3. Re:Cantwell & RealNetworks by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 2
      (she got less than 60%)
      That's a typo, I meant that she got less than 50%.
  71. Re:"Keep your grubby laws off my computer" by LMCBoy · · Score: 2

    heh...feeling a bit prescient after changing my sig yesterday. :)

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  72. fucking idiot by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2
    You fucking idiot. This is an opinion piece, it's not even supposed to be "fair and balanced".

    And let me tell you something else, there is NO SUCH THING as "fair and balanced".

    If you want "fair and balanced", your going to have to read both liberal and conservative opinions and information sources and come to your own conclusions without letting any silly rhetoric of any kind influence your opinion.

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  73. oh dear God you are dumb! by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Please take not of the fact that this is an OPINION PIECE!

    Did you even RTFA?

    Maybe you should also consider that fair.org is biased as well?

    But that thought probably didn't cross your mind... you probably just pick a side and close your mind...

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  74. The music industry isn't stupid. by schon · · Score: 2

    The flaw in your argument is that most people don't download music from unknown artists. They download music from artists that they have heard on the radio so the MPAA still has control.

    It's not a flaw.. the music industry isn't stupid - they're not reacting to how things are NOW, they're reacting to how things might be in the future.

    Think about it: 10 years ago, you're in a band, playing local clubs, and an A&R man comes to see you between sets. He promises you fame and fortune, all you have to do is sign. You read the contract, and note the following:

    You pay all costs to record your albums (although the record company floats you a loan first)
    You pay all costs to promote your albums
    You get 5% of the Album sales (after you've paid off the marketing and recording costs.)
    But the record company can get thousands of people to listen to your music.
    So you say "umm, no", the A&R man goes away, gets replaced by an A&R man from a different record company who (essentially) offers you the same deal. If you want to "make it big", you have no choice.

    Now, fast forward to 2005. You're starting a band, playing local clubs.

    The internet is everywhere. Everyone has an MP3 player, and everyone downloads and listens to MP3's.

    You're approached by Mr A&R man, and he offers you the same deal he did before.

    You look at it, and think:

    I'm paying the recording fees myself.
    I'm paying the marketing fees myself.
    If I do it myself, I can take 100% of the sale.
    And I can use the internet to make my music available to millions of people.

    Now, which would you choose?

    The Record companies aren't stupid. They recognize internet-based distribution as the end of their era. It used to be that they made their money because "they were the only caterer in town." That's not the case anymore.

    1. Re:The music industry isn't stupid. by Nerds · · Score: 2

      I'm trying to figure out if you're actually this stupid or if you just feel like typing.

      These people are already on the internet. Maybe they're into heavy metal. So they find the slashdot of heavy metal (good lord) and the editors there who have nothing to do but download and listen to new music post reviews and make recommendations. For every music taste there are already communities in existence, and someone there will be bold enough to try new things and tell others. Sooner or later your average web surfer is going to find out about this and start passing it along to their friends. Before you know it anyone can visit twenty different web sites that cater to his/her tastes and find new bands that they wouldn't have before. Why are we still explaining the internet to people on Slashdot?

      I didn't find out about these guys or these guys because they were on the radio. It won't be long before more people catch on.

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    2. Re:The music industry isn't stupid. by Jeremi · · Score: 2
      People do searches on titles and artists that they know. How do they know these titles and artists? They hear the song on the radio first.


      OTOH, don't underestimate the power of word-of-mouth. Plenty of the music I listen to I have because a friend of mine, or an on-line aquaintance recommended it to me. Of course, word-of-mouth only works if people actually like your music....

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    3. Re:The music industry isn't stupid. by Nerds · · Score: 2

      I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. Apparently you really are that stupid. Sorry, no more time for you.

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  75. I'm disappointed in Slashdot by maetenloch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm disappointed in Slashdot's readership.

    A lot of the comments so far are just reactions to where it appeared - not what it says.

    Whatever you think of FoxNews, try to read the article without projecting on it what you think it's going to say. Note that it's really an opinion piece, apparently part of Fox's Straight Talk feature - corbettw mislabelled it in his summary.

    The article in my view is really just analyzing the political risks and possibilities for both parties here. The reality is that both the Democrats and Republicans support constituencies at times that are at odds with the philosphies they publicly profess. In this case it's the support that several heavyweight Democrats have been giving to the recording and movie industries for the SSSCA. Glenn Reynolds (the author) really would like to see the SSSCA buried and all he's really doing here is pointing out is that the Republicans could help kill it AND potentially score political points for doing so.

    Glenn Reynolds also produces music in his spare time when he's not teaching law. He also runs a 'blogger' website with nearly hourly comments. He's also a Slashdot reader and poster (which is how I first heard about his web site InstaPundit). I've been reading his site since just before 9/11 and he's been consistent in criticizing the record industry for its corruptness and sneaky ploys to take advantage of the consumer. He's hardly a ideological Republican. Mostly he's libertarian and anti-Idiotarian in his viewpoints. In this, I don't think he's that far off from most Slashdot readers. That is, if they can overlook their media outlet biases.

    1. Re:I'm disappointed in Slashdot by Catbeller · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The anger is not about the article. The anger is caused by why FOX is running it -- to smear Democrats, and to provide ideas for smearing Democrats. FOX taints any article it runs merely because IT is running it.

      FOX NEWS is not a news network. It is the media branch of far-right wingers, created to destroy Clinton, and now existing to elect Republicans.

      Not that it is a Republican network -- it is not. It is a reactionary network, composed of radical political ideologues, neo-conservative economic libertians, religious fundementalists, objectivists, and assorted people who are only there to ride the money train.

      They demonify Democrats and court Republicans in order to spread their view of religion, economics, media, and social order. The minute a Republican turns against them in any way, it's fire-up-the-stake time. No prisoners taken. No logic taken, either.

      It is a machine for grinding right wing knives. A propaganda outlet which proclaims the grandest lie of all as you turn it on for the first time: "Fair and Balanced". Heavens to Orwell.

  76. Tshirts are now available! by gosand · · Score: 2

    I put these up on my cafepress store, at no profit to myself. I put them at the bottom cost that cafepress charges, so I don't get any commission! http://www.cafepress.com/grubbylaws or you can get there from my Tshirt website Poundingsand.com , and I have other "freedom" type tees as well.

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  77. Forest Gump & Hollywood Accounting by rlp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I recall reading an article about Winston Groom - the author of Forest Gump. He had cut a deal with the studio for a percentage of the profit from the movie. The movie generated revenue of over $600 million, but according to the studio, did not make a profit. So, when Valenti states that only 2 out of 10 movies generate a profit that's probably true. Hollywood's accountants may well be the most creative people in the entertainment industry.

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  78. Not enough information for the general public. by _bug_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I enjoyed reading an article from mainstream media that, for once, gets it almost right when it comes to the entertainment industry's attempts to manipulate and encroach on the rights of consumers.

    I say "almost" because I don't feel turning the story into an angle for the Republicans is the correct way to go about this. I think this approach gives the appearance that Republicans should approach this case with an eye for strengthening their political power rather than to show their concerns for the consumers (the "little guys"). This article would probably turn away a significant number of readers who would invalidate the article in their minds as some sort of Republican "propaganda".

    Also, I don't think enough information was conveyed regarding what exactly the SSSCA does, except that it has something to do with "computer laws". By putting such a broad generalization on the SSSCA you water down the effect the article has on the readers. In the past several laws have come to pass which many individuals and organizations within the technology industry have vehemently fought against and lost when the safety of children or safety from terrorism was made as a major point behind the bill. This is not happening with the SSSCA, however there's been such a saturation of computer laws dealing with terrorism and child safety in the past that the general public will probably gloss over any new story on the subject. To most individuals it's just another story on their local news to ignore.

    Perhaps that this article appears on FOXNews.com is something like preaching to the converted? At any rate, I think this story could have focused more on what the SSSCA is and why it's bad for consumers, rather than just telling the reader that it's so.

    I think getting more information out to the general public, in terms they can understand, is really the only way to approach the SSSCA and other such acts.

  79. campaign contributiion caps by BigBir3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They make a lot more sense now, don't they?

    Should be some sort of limits as the maximum amount of money that can be used, as well as maximums from any one source, as well as industry. Of course, industries will collude together, and offer contributions that "have no monetary value."

    It could be a start though.

    Of course, it is hard to find enough Republicans and Democrats that would be willing to give themselves such cuts...

    Heck, we might even get ourselves into a position where there is more than two major, influential, political parties in the United States!

  80. Re:Write Your Senators! (nicely, please) by Chemical · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I dunno. The movie industry is pretty worthless to California compared to the tech industry. If the tech industry went under California would suffer a lot more than if the movie industry went under. Also the tech industry is a LOT richer (i.e. more donations). If Boxer had two IQ points to rub together, she wouldn't give a flying fuck about what the movie industry wants.

  81. How hypocritical! by cozimek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I couldn't believe this when I read it. I'm a public policy student doing major research on high tech's influence in DC. The Digital Rights Management (DRM) debate was brought to Hollings not by Disney alone, but by News Corp. as well (FOX)! News Corp, and its movie production studios stand to win equally as much as Disney in this debate. I've spoken with hardware makers government affairs spokesmen, and they're ready to fight this to the hilt...and they have DEMOCRATS supporting them!

    Talk about bad journalism...

    -Ozzy

  82. Re:coming of age for Fox? by sheldon · · Score: 2

    Oh please.

    Fox news is one of the most unethical, biased examples of crap journalism on the US airwaves. They have to keep telling you they are "fair and balanced" because if you had any criticle thinking skills you'd realize they were not.

    I don't know if they were the first to talk about Condit, but they were certainly the last. Well after every other news agency realized there wasn't a story there, Fox News was still beating the horse. Right up until 9/11 they were giving hourly updates to let us know nothing had changed, but Fox News still thinks he is scum.

    And don't even get me started on O'Reilly. He's not a journalist, he is a bully. Brings people on the show, makes wild accusations and then doesn't let them respond. If they don't accept his invite to the show, then he bashes them constantly claiming they are afraid of him.

    What a joke. Fox News is just an extension of Fox with Cops, When Animals Attack, and Alien Autopsy.

  83. Re:Fair and balanced? ROFTL.. by blkros · · Score: 2

    It doesn't matter if they're fair and balanced--as long as you know their biases.

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  84. Re:Fair and balanced? ROFTL.. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

    CNN is not "left". Last I heard, they weren't editorializing for creating a socialist workers' paradise in the U.S.

    "Left" does not mean "not-far-right-wing". Not agreeing with Murdoch, Rev. Moon, or Limbaugh does not make me a liberal. It just makes me not-stupid.

    CNN was an network of intelligent reporters. Not "left". If being intelligent locks one out of the right-wing clubhouse, so be it.

    Sigh. But now CNN is actively creating a right-wing slant on its network to grab those ratings.

    This is why news operations should be loss leaders, not profit centers. Once you become a vendor of junk, all journalistic pretensions are gone.

  85. Re:Write Your Senators! (nicely, please) by Winged+Cat · · Score: 2

    Do you seriously think they'll listen? Their staffs just tally up "yes" vs. "no" letters, no matter how well informed and eloquent each letter is...and then, on issues like this where the senators are paid sufficiently, even that won't change their opinions.

    Now, if someone would bring up this hypocrisy when it came re-election time and got them voted out, maybe the rest would start caring. But they know their actual legislative record matters little come re-election time.

  86. Re:Some numbers that are in the actual SSSCA docum by ender81b · · Score: 2

    Hmmm. Ok let's do some (quick) math here. Assume that roughly 1 million copyrighted works are (succesfully) downloaded every day - not too high of a figure I believe. OK now let's apply these fines to them:

    1 million x 25,000 = $25,000,000,000
    Wow! 25 billion dollars a day in fines! 25tril x 365 = 9,125,000,000,000. 9.125 trillion dollars a year in fines. Or, the govt's budget for the next 9 years. I understand now - quick way to kill that pesky 'ol national debt.

    And more fun! Assume 60 million people have 100 downloaded copyright works liable for prosecution. 2.5$ million per person. I, personally, have 2,326 'copyrighted' works: 58 million in fines.

    Perfect, these fines some perfectly reasonable and just - not extortion no sir.

  87. The "Entertainment" Industry... by Robber+Baron · · Score: 2

    (Note: I have posted this in another discussion so before you go accusing me of karma-whoring...I don't care if this gets modded up.)

    entertainment
    Pronunciation: "en-t&r-'tAn-m&nt
    Function: noun
    Date: 15th century
    1 : the act of entertaining
    2 a archaic : MAINTENANCE, PROVISION b obsolete : EMPLOYMENT
    3 : something diverting or engaging: as a : a public performance b : a usually light comic or adventure novel

    Somebody needs to remind the ENTERTAINMENT industry just what exactly their place is in the grand scheme of things! They've bent and twisted copyright laws and now they want to cripple every digital device under the sun, and for what? To protect Mickey Mouse cartoons and a few lousy movies??? NO! It's ENTERTAINMENT! It isn't something that actually matters that much! Yeesh, You'd think that it was a "national security" issue...like protecting nuclear secrets or something!

    No Disney, you can't cripple all the computers. People use them to do things that are more important than a stupid cartoon mouse...like helping to treat the sick!

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  88. What's important to keep in mind.. by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2

    Is that even some of the media companies are balking at this thing. A lot of tech companies (Intel has been vocal on this front) really don't want this thing to happen, because (from what I've read about the bill, I could be wrong) it requires anything with a digital display to have copy protection. This includes things which have absolutely no need or want for it, including medical devices and pocket calculators. It seems to me like Senator Hollings is trying to further his own political career by trying to impress the media companies with some sweeping legislation, maybe hoping to get some large campaign donations, but I doubt he has any real concept of the wide-reaching implications of this bill. It's kind of backfired on him, a lot of major players in the arena have come out as against this, as it's unnecessary and too far reaching. This is an issue that IMO, and apparently that of the industry as well, should be solved by technology, not legislation. Congress should leave this issue alone and let the industry figure it out themselves. Anyway, IANAL, so I could be totally wrong. $0.02 applies.

  89. Two AC replies in a day? What's wrong with me? :) by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

    I understand that some /. users, like Mr_Matt, like to portray themselves as intellectually superior, or at least more so than those technophobe "lusers", (but only because if it came right down to it, they wouldn't be able to compete with folks who actually use factual information and reasoning to form opinions, before blurting them out.), but did anyone else find this particular post a little more stupifying than usual?

    Since I don't know your name, you flaming coward, I'll just call you "Strawman" since you're very good about constructing strawman arguments that suit your purposes, without ever requiring the inconvenience of engaging your brain.

    Maybe you've read the thread by now, and have since changed your mind, but in case you missed it (hint: you missed it) the point of my post was that since this was an op-ed piece, and did not contain any specific arguments against the SSSCA, it wasn't really what the Slashdot headline said it was. RTFH (that's read the fucking headline): Fox Explains Why SSSCA Is Bad. And the op-ed piece didn't do this. But thanks for pointing out the obvious. At least you posess some cognitive skills. :)

    And as for not being able to compete with people who use factual information and reasoning - you're free to your opinion, but if it's not worth putting your name to it, then I'll take it for what it really is: the rantings of a coward, the words of someone whose image is more important than their ideas. Sam Adams had some words about people who prefer quiet prosperity to the animating contest of freedom, and if you're too chicken to participate in that contest, then frankly, shut up.

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    But what does my opinion matter, I just vote here. It's not like I have any money or anything.
  90. Re:um explain by jedidiah · · Score: 2

    If anything is "knee jerk", it is your own response.

    Papa Kennedy worked specifically to AVOID his sons entering the "family businesss". Furthermore, Papa Kennedy's trade was bootleging not extortion and racketeering. If JFK wanted to "fall not far from the tree", he could have just opened a distillery.

    OTOH, Bush II does seem to be rather a clone of his father who was also president less than a decade before. Also, Bush II makes no attempt to distinguish himself politically or ideologically from his father.

    When has Bush II ever shown himself to be his own man? Why should we expect him NOT to pander to the fundie xian elements of his own party (like his dad)?

    Perhaps if there was some elected office that papa kennedy held we might infer from that what his sons would eventually do.

    Otherwise, you're trying to compare apples and battleships.

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  91. Re:Smaller government as a solution? by osgeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All right, finally we have a good debate. Ok, you've stated how libertarians see it. Now socialists, like me, say "Without a strong government, the strong are free to hurt the weak and the weak have no way to defend themselves."

    Who are these strong you're talking about? Who are these weak?

    I'm sure you'd agree that the bill of rights is valuable, and having some way to enforce that is necessary.

    The Constitution allows for its own enforcement. The Federal government was strong enough to stand up to Standard Oil at the turn of the century and break it up, so I don't see how expanding the Federal budget by so much over the past hundred years to continue to stand up to the strong is really necessary.

    Furthermore, I suspect most people would agree that some amount of government will always be necessary. I.e. we will always need a military to protect ourselves and a police force to stop the occasional nut. Y'know, traffic lights so we can drive the streets in safety. Garbage collection so the streets aren't full of trash.

    The items you mention (apart from the military) are local issues, best handled by local governments. This decentralization of government business acts both to be more responsive to localities and to reduce the amount of cash flowing through the Federal government (which is a good thing).

    So in other words, there's a limit to this "small government" thing. Yes, going back to services specified by the constitution as you propose would be a smaller, but it would not be better. For example, there was no concept of an Air Force in the original constitution. No internet. No kiddie porn. Hell, blacks were considered 2/3 of a person and women couldn't vote!

    Nice straw man. 1. No one said anything about the "original Constitution", just the Constitution as it now stands, which allows for womens' voting and the equality of blacks (btw, they were counted as 3/5ths a person). 2. Of course there's a limit to this "small government thing", of course we have to allow for modern things like the Air Force.


    No, that's no solution. What we need is to remove the power of money in the government, not less government.
    Here are some ideas that make sense to me:
    1)Let's pass some legitimate campaign finance reform legislation. Maybe McCain-Feingold is a start.


    The soft money problem and the dramatic escalation of money needed by politicians was caused by their mucking with the system in the first place.

    I have a significant problem with the government restricting political speech by controling how people spend their money on political advertisements and campaigns. I'd be happier if they removed restrictions, but mandated the strictest of reporting, so that you could know who gave what to which parties/candidates.

    2)Let's open the debates up to any candidate that has gotten on the ballot in >50% of the states. Ok, so maybe they won't win, but at least we can find out what they have to say.

    So, the government will now be in charge of the debating process? I think that a little government intervention in the political process goes a long way. I don't vehemently oppose your suggestion, but don't really embrace the idea, either.

  92. partisanship and america by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Well, I suppose it's a good thing that this has finaly turned into a partisan issue, rather thern simply a non-issue on most politictians minds (copyright control? great!). We get the whole conservative thing backing us up, ergo the FOX news artical which disses democrats because thats what fox news does. The SSSCA is just another issue for them to do it on.

    I'm not a big fan of republicans in general. I'm all for fiscal responsiblity, but socialy I'm a liberal. I guess that would make me more liberatarian in outlook, but I don't have a problem with taxes and social welfare as long as their resonable and effective.

    What would be really nice would be to beable to choose individual issues rather then just two groups, so someone could choose to vote for "pro-choice/anti-copyright/anti-deathpenalty/lower taxes/anti-war-on-on-drugs/etc" without being bound to things they don't want.

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  93. Re:Can I get some opinion from other countries? by squiggleslash · · Score: 2
    And to provide the counterpoint:

    FoxNews use the slogan "Fair and balanced" (not to mention "We report, YOU decide!".) So, yeah, they do deny that they have a conservative slant.

    The NYT may occasionally dare to criticise Bush (apparently), but they're also the people who reported the results of the 2001 Florida recount as being that Bush would have won anyway, going so far as to lie about what one of the judges intended to do concerning going for a state-wide recount at the time of the election. There's a campaign over at Media-Whores Online to have the NYT print a retraction.

    They're certainly "middle of the road" in the sense that they'll prostitute themselves to whoever/whatever's in power, regardless of political affiliation.

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  94. Re:coming of age for Fox? by sheldon · · Score: 2

    If you are seriously claiming Fox News isn't worse scum than Condit you have some serious mental problems.

  95. No movie makes a profit, really by bee · · Score: 2

    This is 3rd-hand info, but I was told once how actually no movies make a profit. Anything that would be a profit gets moved into partnership companies, etc. That's why no one asks for percentages of the profit any more.

    These folks have been playing creative accounting games for decades. Enron and Arthur Andersen are bush-league compared to Hollywood. Their support of politicians (mainly Democrats, the number of significant actors, producers, directors etc. in Hollywood that are active Republicans can be counted on one hand) combined with using their fame is what has kept them from being investigated and prosecuted six ways from Sunday.

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  96. Labels to lose the fight? by SysKoll · · Score: 2
    This article here has an interesting insight:

    If you're Sony, and you're making $4.6 billion in music sales but taking in $40 billion in sales from electronics, who are you going to listen to: the music industry complaining about people downloading music without authorization, or the electronics executives trying to make better, more expensive CD burners and MP3 players?

    If Senators keep selling off to Disney and the RIAA, and with the help of unbribed-but-clueless Representatives that can be brainwashed by any well-produced snowjob, the SSSCA can actually get voted.

    If this danger materializes, Intel and other electronics giants could see their income squashed by this law that demands the death of the PC and of all digital electronics as we know it. So instead of letting this happen, the electronics company could buy a few major studios. After all, all the movies's box-office revenue for 2001 amount to less than a quarter of sales for Intel.

    Let's hope it comes down to a pissing match between the electronics and the media industries. IBM or Intel can buy a blocking share in Disney with their paperclip budget, and the MPAA seems to have forgotten it. Or maybe they are trying to extort some money from the electronic industry? Afer all, it worked in Europe, where a tax is now levied on CD writers and blank media.

    -- SysKoll
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  97. Only because nobody makes it matter... by Svartalf · · Score: 2

    And, that's because they don't want it done to them when they're running for re-election. It's going to boil down to someone other than a person running for office or acting on their behalf to make this work. I, for one, would do so.

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    1. Re:Only because nobody makes it matter... by Winged+Cat · · Score: 2

      It's going to boil down to someone other than a person running for office or acting on their behalf to make this work. I, for one, would do so.

      As would and do others. Who wind up having remarkably little effect on how the public actually votes. Is because the public is genuinely apathetic and/or dumb enough not to believe that a person's prior voting record is a better predictor of in-office behavior than any campaign promises, or is this because the politicians just know how to distract the public from such things by drowning them out with massive media spending to direct their attention to other issues?