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New Nokia Phones - with Java
scrm writes: "Nokia just released a slew of new phones at CEBIT. Among them are two phones - a full-color phone and a cheap n' cheerful model - both of whose software can be upgraded with Java applications." And Haggis writes "Nokia are to use the Opera browser in the latest incarnation of their everything-plus-the-kitchen-sink mobile phone, the 9210i. Oh, and it will run Java applets too."
i wonder how long it will be before we are able to play multiplayer games via a PDA. that way they will really be nice to have. you could have deathmatches with just some people you meet on the train or so.
These are the things that are important to a geek. Not "snap on colours" and "colourful wallpapers". Gah. Fancy pandering to the mass market *again*.
It makes (at least) 6 months since SIM cards with java have been shipped to customer (in Europe).
So, it is already there in many phones and peoples already made some applets for them
#include "coucou.h"
I for one cannot wait for an application that makes Nokia phones auto-lock the keypad after a certain period of inactivity.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
I am going to put the 9210i on my Christmas Wish List!
Okay, so i might be waiting a while, but this baby is worth the wait.
Something decent to replace my crusty ancient 5110. *ashamed of owning it still*
D.
You can tell how powerful someone is by the magnitude of the crime they can commit and be able to get away with.
Beowulf cluster of these!!
;-)
err... sorry. Someone had to do it.
Also, did you know? It runs Linux
Time to increase my karma...
Don't Panic
Geeks will dump their cellphones in the trash and rush out to get a new phone because it has Java. Mindless droids trapped in the downward spiral of penis size compensation.
The phones out in Japan have large color screens, and the latest generation have cameras built in to them so you can take a picture and email it to someone! I believe you can also take stills and transmit them to the person on the other end of the call (something like once every 7 seconds). Also, take the train.. everyone is sitting there doing email (in Kanji none-the-less!). Still have yet to see that here as widespread as it is there.
And I thought I was so cool when I bought my new phone a few months ago..
Never hit your grandmother with a shovel, for it leaves a bad impression on her mind...
Like ease of use, or form follows function? Looks like a nice phone, but that keypad layout blows. I can't imagine dialing that thing without having to look at the phone while you dial. Annoying.
"If you're thinking what I'm thinking, you're right." -
Let's use 6 year old terminology shall we?
The Nokia 7210 and 3410 will both most likely be using Java 2 Micro Edition (J2ME) which is a subset of Java that runs on low power devices. They'll be able to run "midlets" which are like applets in the sense that they run in a sandbox, but don't derive from the Applet class and are made to run in low memory and be connected via wireless connections. It'll be good for small connected apps like stock quotes, email, and games. But with no support for multimedia now (sound) don't expect these games to be anything amazing.
The Nokia 9210i runs on Symbian which is a full-fledged 32 bit OS derived from the EPOC platform. The Java integration in Symbian is based on Personal Java, but the Symbian guys have integrated Java deeply in the OS, which means you can access all the same APIs and functionality as you can with C++ programming. These will run pretty much full-fledged Java apps (based on a modified JDK 1.1 spec) and can't be compared to applets at all.
-Russ
Me
The "From the Editor" section of the Feb. 2002 Java Developers Journal was just addressing the lack of Java-enabled Nokia phones in the U.S.
port text based pong to java and play it on my new mobile?
oh joy!
Why? Well, most phones I've ever tried have been poor. Poor build quality, particularly in regard to securing the battery connection. Average to poor interfaces (how long before someone finally adds 'Reply and erase' to their SMS options?). Poor damage resistance. Ill-thought out, unprotected keypads that are pressed by anything leaning against them whilst in your pocket, the synchronisation software that comes with them tends to be poor...
OK, so the 'lock keypad' function is used to get round one of those moans. But that's extra hassle - one more step for me to take to compensate for their poor designs.
I'm on my fourth, and best, mobile at the moment. It's one step back (possibly even two steps now) from Nokia's latest stuff - the 8850. Solves my annoyance with the keypad, but still the screen is too easily scratched, still the SMS side of things remains ill-thought out, and the PC Suite for it is hopelessly out of date and utterly useless.
Whilst Java phones sound nice (I'm a primarily Java-based developer by trade), I'd sacrifice the entire lot for an industrial design that works as a basic phone without falling apart.
Cheers,
Ian
It looks like the models are not for US. I don't know how much memory are in those phones, but I'm guessing it's less than 4megs. After you subtract the memory used by all the other applications, it might only be 600K. It should be fairly easy to write a real time mapping application that uses 60-80K of memory assuming the phone can calculate it's location based on the cell.
yeah its a troll....mod me down :)
I'm still working on a clever footer.
Is it just me, or is the woman on the FAQ page http://www.nokia.com/phones/7210/faq.html a little bit too excited about her new phone?
One of the original intentions for using Java, was to embed it in mobile devices... but it was adopted as a web toy before much else.
I remember, in Fall '97, at the South-Eastern US ACM Programming competition (which IBM sponsored), their speaker / representative went on about how wonderful Java was, and that it would be in our wristwatches. Some laughed... some said, "Yeah, right," but others, like myself were thinking, "Well hurry up already!"
Yes! they break all the "rules". Aren't you fed up with the boring and predictable keypad layout of ordinary flat beds... eh, cell phones? Well you're in luck because Nokia has reinvented the keypad for this phone! I hear that not to be outdone Apple has leaked word of the Uniphone which has only one button - press it once for 1, twice for 2, etc. [The really exciting piece is where you press it no times for 0.]
Actually there are some useful features on this phone but the marketing geeks seem enthralled with the wallpaper, "press-on" covers, polyphonic tones played through a "real speaker", and a built-in FM radio. Gee - all it needs is a "fashion suppository cover"** to be really useful.
** - For those who don't appreciate the fashion hipness of their fellow cell phone users!
When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras
Oh well, here's one link: you want one
it's in my head
I've been waiting for this for a while
:)
According to the site, the phones will be running J2ME (Micro Edition), and personal applications can be downloaded.
The best part is that they've reserved 150kb memory on the phones for these personal applications. Should definitely be fun to try.
I only wonder how decent the garbage collector is
You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
According to Nokia's website, both the 7210 and the 6310i are going to be tri-band GSM (900/1800/1900) phones. That would be a first for Nokia! And the 7210 will also get a colour screen. Guess they finally felt Ericsson breathing down their necks with the T68...
:-)
;-)
It's about time.
Now we Europeans can finally show off our cool phones in the US too...
(Yes, I know, the 8890 worked both in Europe and the US too, but my cellphone company operates on 1800MHz...)
I think cell phones have computer beat for disposable.
Hmm, I guess you don't care about GPRS then.
Granted, gprs service isn't that common yet, but for this kind of phone, you'd think it was one of the most important features.
Anyone find it ironic that most of these phones are available in Africa prior to the US? Now, I'll bet that basically means South Africa and maybe some of the horn-area urban centers, but still.
I for one, think it's heartening. In 100 years, the so-called "dark continent" could be a major center for tech, if they can get some decent leadership in place and stop all the civil wars.
Howard Dean for president
Its either that or they were high on something when they came up with those designs. They look horrific!
I've got a Ericsson T68 here and its so badly thought out (horrible menu system, slow, unintuiative) that it makes me realise why I like Nokia's so much. Oh and the joystick feels wonky and you can accidently select when you want to go up.
All the crapness of Ericsson with none of the hardware quality of Sony. Good partnership there SonyEricsson!
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Well I'm not actually claiming any relation to Java and viruses but, go check the slb.com link in the parent I'm replying to. Specifically check out the Bronze winner: "an advertisement platform that depends on peer-to-peer viral marketing to send SMS advertisement messages" Hopefully phone providers won't bundle such crap into the base phone's ROM.
A recent UK article about next-gen Java phones pointed out one major downside: you can expect to be paying for games. So not only will the phone come with genuine retro games, they'll also be equipped with a genuine credit facility. Except you won't be dropping quarters in a slot.
This is one big way the phone companies will get people to pay for content - they've been worried about how the Japanese IMode model of paying for pics etc would stack up in the west. But with pay-per-gameplay, they have every chance of making big bucks.
Nextel's i90c has ability to run java apps & download new apps. Yesterday I had minesweeper on my phone, then I installed paddleball onto my phone, with a quick download on my phone. The "cooler" games you actually have to purchase. They keep track of what you have purchased online, so if you had to uninstall something because you ran out of space, you can allways re-install it later, all via your phone.
s ht ml
http://www.nextel.com/kjavaapps/javaapps_index.
Not a bad little phone, needs a bit longer standy time though
This is kool and the gang (esp. since I'm a java developer), but according to the website only the 6310i and the 7210 claim to actually work in America. They are GSM-only to boot, which means you'll have to find a GSM carrier in your area that has roaming partners where you travel. GSM is just getting a foothold in the US while in other parts of the world it's the dominant network infrastructure.
Now I know how folks that had a clost full of Laserdisc movies felt when DVD finally came out.
it's not going to stop until you wise up, no it's not going to stop. so just give up.
Sweet, that'll save me a trip to Starbucks every morning.
Not only are these phones going to probably have the wait you mention, they are probably not going to hit US shores for a long long time (if ever).
IMHO, Samsung and Sanyo actually release phones that are cool without too much hype. Nokia has become a "designer brand" that people in the US pay for just to have, even if the technology is outdated by the time they get to the US.
Now how do you get emacs running on it?
Not that vi wouldn't be enough but...
The new RIM Blackberry already does this (ie, has java built in)... they tout it as Java-Based BlackBerry Handheld With Integrated Phone for GSM/GPRS Networks in North America, which is great because Nokia usually starts a launch of products in Europe/Asia, and living in North America I can get my hand on one of these java-based babies sooner.
===> An eye for an eye makes everyone blind - MG
I've had 3 Nokia phones (1631, 3310, 3330) and each one of them has had many bugs. First two lasted about one year (no warranty left...) and then just suddenly stopped working.
The 3330 still works but occasionally it just shuts itself down without a reason. And one time it did it when it was attached to a battery charger.
So, no new Nokia phones for me.
I figured this is EXACTLY what you need.
:o)
http://www.nokia.com/phones/6250/index.html
Enjoy
Sigged!
It's very slick, speed is good, but getting your own apps onto the phone is like pulling teeth. I've read many pages of info at nextel.com and motorola.com to figure out how to get stuff onto the i85s with very little luck.
The Java api was pretty well adapted, the record store stuff is nice, but the http connections are a bit more awkward than the normal url handling in J2SE. The CLDC/MIDP spec did make one omission, lack of https transport. The motorola phones do offer it, but only for Verisign certificates. ugh.
"Appplets"? Will they be sandboxed to only be able to send data to the phone number they came from? :0
Seriously, I just saw someone above mention 'stock quotes' and 'email'. Do we not already have enough devices to do this? Can no one come up with any other app besides 'stock quotes'?
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Weird, isn't it?
The society with the greatest lust for cellphones is still stuck with old technology. So, what that means is geeks like me living in the US who desperately want to ditch their crappy Audiovox cellies for something that I can develop on (like the Nokia Java phones) have to wait because the big cellular providers/FCC/government spooks/whoever won't go GSM like the rest of the world.
Oh well--I guess that still provides me with an opportunity to ask: Are there any US-capable cell phones (not Nextel--those guys are evil) that are developer friendly? I'd love to spend time writing little phone apps, and I remember seeing an article in Game Developer magazine about the coming craze of mobile gaming. Is there a phone which will let me get in on this here?
Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
No, just no.
A horrable choice of style over usabiliy !
Why nobody told anything about Opera being browser on Nokia? Just because it isn't Mozilla and/or Opensource?
Just watch how much MS tries to conquer the PDA world, now think again...
Check out MDoom.
Keep in mind it's not a full doom replacement. But it's a start.
Looks like it fits my durability bill. Keyboard moan still stands, and having owned a 6210 I imagine that the SMS and synchronisation moans remain too.
Looks heavy too. And ugly. Ah well - trade offs, trade offs...
Cheers,
Ian
Currently, you can't download the developer kit for 9210 from Nokia's site. You need to sign up and give them a postal address. They will send you a free CD.
I'm personally very interested in the 9210 because of its JTAPI implementation. I assume that the other models lack that.
Are there any other Java developers out there who have written code for the 9210 and would like to share tips or resources?
This is one of those examples of why its great to have a cell phone in the US. Since every carrier uses a different signal setup, Nokia, and every other phone maker can't just make one phone and sell it everywhere. Since they have to enter into agreements with the wireless carriers (!) and make phones especially for a particular carrier we'll get these phones years after the rest of the world. Oh, and it will be more expensive to boot! So take a long look, and start waiting.
Anyone know when these will be available in the US?
the nokia 7650 is exaclty the kind of phone you're talking about, and it'll be available in the 2nd quarter of 2002 in Europe, Asia Pacific and Africa.
and the Ericsson P800 is the same thing too, but will be available in the 3rd quarter of 2002, but on all of the 5 continents!
So, we're not so behind the Japan... for now.
Should have called the portable Java VM "Cupholder".
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Let's not stir that bag of worms...
It's already ported for this phone. I've play on my Nokia 9210 phone, and it's supposed to work on a lot of EPOC/SymbianOS device. You can see screenshot here and here too.
He didn't say he wanted them to use his game, he just said he wanted to write Java stuff for a phone. Are you really that fucking stupid? Hell, I've got sperm that have a higher IQ than you. Fuck off and die, you toilet-licking sparrow humper.
They had Java enabled cell phones last year in Japan with 16-bit color screens too. My friend even had Dance Dance Revolution on his phone! But they had bugs too, including one that made the recipients of a specially formatted email's phones dial the Japanese equivalent of 911...
Man, if you think Windows XP is Listening wait until these things get out. Java ... Opera ... Applets. Before you know it, you'll have stuff being delivered to your front door that you didn't even know you ordered.
So what it has java. Whats the big deal?
;)
There are benefits to embedded java, but its not you being able to load your random applet...
This is most likely Java ME (micro edition). However, its not there so you can run various applets. Its there for Nokia. So they can add features and benefits and have a modular platform. It doesen't hurt them to be able to say "we do Java", but to the end user I hardly see the benefit.
This is the same Junk I went through last week. I attended the SAE show(society of automotive engineers). M$, Sun, IBM, were all there pusing their (non automotive related) gadjets into cars, and since its within the confines of the car, they call it automotive.
We only care about stuff like memory seat modules, alarms, airbag modules, powertrain controllers, power window/mirrors/lock modules, etc...Java I had hoped would ease our programming of these modules. We can use the same code on multiple processors without having to do a damn near complete rewrite. But when they came at me with 2MB RAM requirement, and 32bit processor, I just got sick to my stomach. They are holding all these bluetooth and other libraries in the JVM that we don't even use.
So they did not make me happy. the KVM which is about 50K is more like it. But theres not much you can hype up with a 50K JVM
Yep.
;)
But also 'traditionnal' P2P applications (like sharing
and hopefully, there's an option (at least on my phone) which makes that any action on/with the SIM card has to be acknowledged manually.
#include "coucou.h"
considering my ancient 9110i has 8MB (4 for OS) onboard and 64MB MMC RAM, 4 would probably be an underestimate. even the old one is pretty cool, you can boot it to freedos, have on board c compiler, assembler, some intrepreters, and i hear you could even start linux with loadlin and a small initrd.
What Java phones can I get in the US now? The Motorola i85?
Do any US Java phones let me send my own custom packets? Meaning, could I write a wireless tic-tac-toe game once I learn midlet programming?
My god, Java applets are slow and download intensive even on my 750MHZ/512MB/Geforce desktop.
Can you imagine any useful appletrs for a phone?????
I think 16-bit poliphonic MIDI sound synth. ( in new Nokia phones ) is more important than J2ME support...
since microsoft is going to try to be nokia's competitor in the mobile phone market.
i surely hope ms will fail by the way, since IMHO no mobile phone is more "usable" than a nokia. imagine: "welcome to M$ PhoneWindows, please wait while the system is booting". and when you finally get to contact the other end: "this mobile phone is currently rebooting, please leave a message after the tone..."
at least you will be able to know for sure who is calling, because everyone who uses an M$ phone will have to sign up for a passport account before being able to use it...
oops, i'm getting carried away...
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Nokia of Finland
- Opera of Norway
- I bastun bor vi allihopa (The Swedish codename of GNOME)
- Hej, det här är Linus Torvalds och jag uttalar Linux 'Linux'. (He is from Finland and Swedish is his mother tongue)
Anyone else see a Nordic conspiracy here?fnord ... f+nordic. Think about it.
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How many colors does the Nokia 7210's color screen support and what is the size of the display?
The high-resolution color screen supports 4096 colors within 128x128 pixels.
A month ago, I browsed the web with Opera on a Nokia 9210. I didn't realise the browser wasn't even released yet. Come to think of it, he who owned the 9210 was an Opera employee...
Anyway, a beta version of Opera for the 9210 (the old model, not the new 9210i) is available from this news group: news://news.my-communicator.com/My-9210.binaries.e nglish
I can't believe AT&T wireless spent all that money on the mlife campaign without releasing any new phones. I've been an AT&T customer for many years now; their flagship phone is the nokia 8260 which has been available for over 2 years! You think AT&T's marketing department would have enough sense to introduce new phones during the campaign, especially since the 8260 is what drove a lot of consumers their way since everyone wants to have the smallest phone. Look at a company like Nextel, people switch to Nextel specifically for the phones and features.
The Kyocera smartphone has a full pilot OS and functionality in it, so you can develop on your phone now!
I have one of these goodies and like it (only have to carry one widget instead of two) but the phone/pilot integration is not as good as it should be.
The only good weather is bad weather.
Damn the US phone companies and their non-standard technologies!
DAMN THEM TO HELL!!!
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
They do move around.
That tri-band, color screen 7210 looks like the shit. But if it's tri-band (GSM 800/1800/1900MHz), why aren't they releasing it in the States? I guess I'll just have to mail order it and ditch my 8290.
Or have they removed the audio functions to make room for more memory?
How much extra would it cost me to get a cell phone that is not programmable, does not do SMS, and, if possible, has no screen?
I do not presently have a cell phone, but I have been thinking about getting one. This stuff makes me wonder if I really want one at all.
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These kind of features are the reason I don't own a cell phone, and make my friends turn them off around me.
Great. I can't wait to get killed because some moron is blowing down the highway and can't be bothered to look up because he's on a hot streak after getting a double-railing. "(Sarcasm) Where can I sign up?"
Really. I would like to take my E-mail with me. Good idea. Sell me that. Make it small so people can't read it while driving.
It bothers the heck out of me when I see someone having a long, loud, boring conversation in the open air about his personal business all around me. Slowing down the grocery line, yammering about god knows what, making it impossible to reach for their wallet or purse, screeching away at the top of their lungs and ignoring everyone around them. Nowadays, even friends have no sense of priority. I take the time to visit a friend, then some jacksmack calls and hijacks their time for a half-hour while I stare at the ceiling. Why? Because in this society the cell phone is more importanst than any person sitting in front of you. Cell phones are the death of gentility and manners. Every personal cell phone call is more important than anything else. Period.
I carry a pager. I don't have to answer. I still get to friends and parties. They can even let me know if it is an emergency.
I drive professionally for about half of my day. I would say that a good 95% of the people that don't let me in traffic while my on-ramp is quickly ending on me are on phones. They can't be bothered to watch for other drivers... 'they' have a conversation to attend to, which is obviously much more important than that tractor-trailer next to you.
I actually saw a woman a month ago doing seventy on a city interstate bridge ramp dictating legal documents over a cell phone while changing lanes. For the first time ever... I actually wanted to see her vault off of the ramp and disappear into the river before she caused negligent homicide.
I like Darwin just fine. But I didn't choose to yack at someone in the middle of traffic. I expect to not die for these kinds of selfish mistakes.
New York has it right. Knowing New Yorkers and the way they are to their fellow man, you had to pass a law or risk EVERYONE getting killed on the highway.
No we are not going to change the world. We are living here. Technology is what you want. Nokia is in it. It is "shit" as I see it but this is how it goes. Linux is another thing and it is not only up to Linus. There are so many nerds outside who can make it happen. You have to read a book: "Just for fun". It is written by Linus Turvalds. It helps you to understand.
eh... what??? no gprs ... how can it be... well of course high-speed-cellular-data is faster bitrate ... but more expensive ... btw does it have a serial ... ... heh
cable for communicating with a computer system
then you can hook grps phone to this system
Good comment.... We shall see how it will go in future. There will be interesting units in future. We shall see if they use Linux inside...;-)
It's true, most phones are really badly designed, and not too well made. I've tried many, but keep going back to my old Star-Tac. I'm also a Java developer, and a usability specialist.
Forget all this Java/web stuff. What I really want is a pocketable phone that's waterproof!
sorry about the last post it has gprs after all... alteast if this wwwpage has any facts right one page in swedish... bye again ;)
ehh... my final mistake .... the nokia page doesn't mention gprs so this must be some swedish joke... toobad ...
I saw quake running on a pocket pc phone. It sucks on my iPaq with the interface issues, but MP on a cell phone I might go for. They just need pressure sensitive buttons and I think it might work. I just found the link... Quake on a mobile phone. The entire phone looks good in my opinion; I'd like to have it over my iPaq considering I only really use my iPaq to sync to outlook.
People want to have these new "toys" to play games, send email, surf and maybe also use them as a phone. I feel it is stupid because you do not actually NEED them. If you need to surf and email it is much better to have small notebook and some cardmodem. Cellular phone is a different thing. You can always call if you need to. But as we have seen some people will buy these "toys" just to say: "I have one". It is nonsense but this is how it goes...
My phone has some very basic PDA features as well - a simple appointment reminder. They work very well. I see no reason why more elaborate features wouldn't be even more useful.
Finally, tetris is *always* useful :)
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
--Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
I have heard that SIM cards don't exist in the phones in the US. Is that the case for the GSM phones as well?
I'm considering buying a tri-band phone here in Australia, so that I can use it when I am in the US. But I don't want to use roaming and pay the huge $$$/minute. If I was going to Europe, I could buy a $20 prepaid SIM card at the airport and get a temporary phone number, with reasonable call rates.
Is this possible in the US using a tri-band phone? Is there any way to get short-term local service?
-Bruce
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It is not a beta for the 9210, it is an early leaked beta version of Opera for the 9210i. It doesn't even run properly on the 9210, apparently.
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Part of mobile ICT is just common sense. These phones all come with an on/off button and most if not all service providers give you voice mail and caller ID as part of the basic package. If you go to a movie, cafe or meeting, turn of the *&@#$% phone. If you are expecting a particular phone call, tell those present at the start.
Some of the temptation is caused by countries which lack public transportation -- on the train, if I am not in a phone-free wagon, I can yack, dictate or program all I want without being a traffic hazard.
If I lived in the States or one of the other countries where cell phone misuse is a problem, I'd carry one of those highly illegal phone zappers everywhere I went.
Beta is broken and the link to classic doesn't work. Stop wasting our time or there won't be anybody left here.
... as is...
And has midlets, of course...
Well, I was going to reply to everyone with Nextel comments, but most people got the info right. We launched J2ME phones in March of 2001, so we've been "doing Java" for a while. Network-Aware application capability was only launched in October of 2001 however, so that isn't quite as old.
:)
As an insider, I'll also admit that we make developers of applications that send/recieve traffic on our network jump through hoops to be "certified". I think this is inevitable until carriers are comfortable with the risk associated with relinquishing control of data transmissions.
Personally, I went through the process in about 20 minutes and got my developer access in 2 days.
Keep in mind that games are not the most impressive things being done with this technology. I currently have a network-aware java app on my phone that can access national and state criminal information databases for liscense plate, firearm and property registration and other various lookups. (Of course, I have fake data, only validated officers/etc can get the real stuff)
Developers in our program are working on some really cool stuff.
Come play Moral Decay!
All of these
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