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Mandrake, SuSE Ready New Releases
Anthony Boyd writes: "At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th. And of course, SuSE Linux 8.0 is going to be released in mid-April. Features for SuSE appear to include KDE 3.0 and a whole lot of games. Features for Mandrake appear to be a super small install and, well, stability. Sounds great to me."
Kinda offtopic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux. I've been playing LBreakout2 non-stop, but other than that (and of course Q2), I've yet to find any nice games that I like.
This isn't a troll or anything, I'm genuinely wondering if anyone has suggestions.
We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade.
I always download the source rpm's (I'm running a Redhat 7.2 box with a nonstandard Redhat kernel), run the command 'rpm --rebuild NVIDIA*.rpm' against them, and then install the new rpm's in the usual manner. They work great, but I don't a Windows box to compare them with.
At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th.
Glad slashdot got the scoop before the Washington Post or the New York Times.
I'm trying to be funny sarcastic, not mean sarcastic, so nobody get too upset.
I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release? I mean, you'd think people were waiting for the new mandrake like it was a necessary transplant organ...
Can anyone confirm/deny that it will be a later release? I have high hopes for using it as the daily OS on my iBook.
The best feature about Mandrake 8.1 is that it took about half the time to install as Windows 2000 and was probably the easiest install for linux. This may not seem like much for computer geeks (the slashdot crowd), but it is vital for getting linux on more personal desktops. If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft. I can only hope that Mandrake 8.2 continues the trend of the other Mandrakes before it.
Are there any status reports on Red Hat releases like a beta?
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Ricky, have you checked these two Web sites yet?
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Suse wouldnt boot? Or you couldnt boot Suse?
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
Buying the box means mandrake makes less money
if all you want is a free manual and a nice looking box, maybe you can find a printer
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
I guess the thing to remember is: if it works, don't fsck with it.ask urself if the upgrade is really worth it? sure, security upgrade are damn important, but otherwise, its often better to stick with what u'v tweaked to work properly and wait for a _major_ new release to upgrade (unless, of course, ur running debian, where upgrades are easy and painless)
"I think it would be a good idea" Gandhi, on Western Civilisation
I don't think you'll see any distribution (except maybe some of those crazy expert-oriented, source-based distributions I've been hearing about) using either of those by default so soon after release. Meanwhile my friend claims kde 3 beta is alread available through "cooker", if you really want it fast you will probably be able to get it.
"(Man) tries to live his own life as if he were telling a story. But you have to choose: live or tell." --Sartre
There is a reason why MandrakeSoft chose not to wait for KDE 3 and GNOME 2: stability. One of the primary reasons why Mandrake 8.2 is being released is to provide a more mature, refined and stable distribution than its immediate predecessors. And I'll say it does pretty well at that. Bleeding edge software like KDE 3 and GNOME 2 that will most certainly have a couple of significant bugs at their initial release will wait until the next major version number change, most likely (perhaps you want to wait for Mandrake 9.0 instead).
Am I a hipster-doofus?
One folk at one of the suse mailing lists once mentioned the fact that the cd producer they use needs roughly one month for that. Based on the assumption that they still use the same CD fab, this would mean that the 'kde3' they claim to use as default desktop in Suse8 will in fact be either kde3 beta2, or some spurious CVS snapshot. The gnome they put in suse8 is rc2.
Now is that a good idea? I don't think so, especially in the light of this previous article.
I normally are not a SuSE basher, but I won't touch that 8.0 with barbequeue thongs...
My Mandrake 8.1 installation has now lost the default "fixed" font for no apparent reason.
I guess your xfs service is not running.
Try turning xfs on inside drakconf, that should give you your fonts back.
Xfs is a fontserver which is listening on port 7100 i believe.
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
I have never tried Suse, and only installed Mandrake once on a laptop in hopes of getting it to recognize a pcmcia card (it didn't), so maybe I'm not making much sense here, but it seems to me that these two distros are battling each other for the "European KDE-leaning user-friendlyish financially-faltering" distro. Wouldn't closer collaboration on their parts be beneficial, to avoid redundancies in installers/configurators/packages/etc? I know their packaging schemes are different, and they probably have minor differences in their file system organization, but they may be able to achieve fairly substantial cost savings by cooperating more and each distributing their own "branded" versions.
Neither do those that made netscape communicator. Nor mozilla. Or of any other web browser (n.b.: exploder is not a browser...). I think that should settle the question "who's at fault".
Say no to software patents.
A lot of applications that run on kde2 are not yet ported to kde3. It is nice to have a newer release of kde, but the major improvements are maybe just a better khtml and kjs, and maybe it is a bit faster.
But you want to run your applications too.
I believe you cannot run kde2 and kde3 apps at the same time. Here it complained that dcopserver was already running, and after killing kde2 processes kde3 apps woud start.
But if you want kde3, you have to wait for the final release of kde3. It will then be packaged for Mandrake 8.2 and I believe also for 8.0 and 8.1, and it will be available as a download.
For Gnome2; I do not know much about it, but it might still be a release for developers. And most gnome developers will run gnome from cvs I assume. Most gnome apps run fine on Gnome 1.4
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
I don't have a credit card and I don't have a CD burner so I just buy from WalMart. Its actually conveniant that way. I get quality Free Software for like twenty bucks. Otherwise I would probably waste that money on five milk shakes in the course of a week.
Does it help Mandrake? I don't know what their situation is. I buy software because I like it.
Strange idea, isn't it?
List: mandrake-cooker
Subject: [Cooker] 8.2
From: Warly <warly@mandrakesoft.com>
Date: 2002-03-15 18:07:56
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I am in the process of building the final 8.2 isos.
These isos will be tested this week-end, and released on Monday if OK.
As a consequence if you find some free minutes this week-end and test all the uploads that have been done today, and report any regression, that would be quite a great help.
--
Warly
The original can be found here.
"Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wuntime ewwors!" - Elmer Fudd
Then you have to wait until next (probably 9.0) release. mdk8.2 has KDE 2.2.2, not 3
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Frozen-bubble was written by Guillaume Cottenceau (spelling of that is almost certainly wrong), one of the Mandrake developers, and is surprisingly addictive. It's kind of like Snood, if you've played that.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
It's not. It went into beta some weeks after the x86 version. I guess they're planning an 8.2-for-Alpha as well, since there is currently an Alpha Cooker around.
If you want a version `optimised' for 386, 486, P3, P4 or Athlon, one of the things Mandrake carefully checked during this Cooker cycle was that Athlon optimisations worked properly, when selected. There is also a new package, rpm-rebuild, which will rebuild the entire distribution from source in one go.
They also timed the release rather well, fielding and dealing with the PHP, OpenSSH and zlib bugs in the 11th hour. It should be one of their best releases, BoC I'm no prophet: only time will tell.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I believe you could mix Mandrake and Debian (urpmi, at heart, doesn't care whether it's based on RPM or PKG), or SuSE and Caldera (for a distro that knows Novell and displays well), and get a much better outcome.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
1. no matter what you do, Linux will not survive in it's current form, and that's a good thing. Linux is a living, growing beastie. It has no current form, at least not for more than a week.
2. Linux doesn't need or want to compete with Microsoft, certainly not head on. If you focus on beating your competitors, the best you can possibly do is slightly better than them, and who wants to aim so low?
3. What Linux wants to do is its own thing, and do it so well that Microsoft will die of natural causes. IRL, Linux doesn't care about Microsoft all that much. Linux will continue press on without publicity, without major funding, without lawyers, without distributors as such. That's how Linux was born, that's how Linux will live, and when its turn comes, that's how Linux will die.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I like being able to edit files to customize the compilation (no Gnome-core-libs-bloat? no problem. know I don't want kde/kdelibs? no problem.) and only installing what I want on my system - all of em in their cpu-optimized goodness.
I was using Sorcerer/Sorcery/Lunar-Penguin (aka, the "let's have a battle of egos and fork like there's no tomorrow" distros), until they factioned and started having all the stupid in-fighting; now I went with the solid, founded, Gentoo - a little extra time with set up and editing files, but worth the effort.
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Cooker is in deep freeze at the moment, so if you don't mind doing an ftp install, you can get 8.2 right now. You might have to update a few rpm's later. I'ts probably more than my life's worth to say *where* you can get it on /. though. BTW, KDE in 8.2 is *much* faster than in 8.1.
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
BTW, SuSE has vowed that YaST2 now supports 100% of YaST1 functionality.
Mandrake offers it as an optional package. However, the entire distro was compiled with 2.96 (because of Mandrake's Red Hat compatibility policy), so 2.96 is the preferred compiler.
Check your local full Red Hat mirror for Pensacola, the most recent Red Hat beta. Roswell is what became 7.2. Pensacola is what will become either 7.3 or 8.0.
ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/pensacola
Be kind and use a mirror.
I have a .ac.uk connection and would really like SUSE linux 8.0 when it arrives but I cannot really afford to buy it. Why can't i download the full cd set? I dont need the extra support from buying it
Please note that Pensacola is NOT a beta of the upcoming release of Red Hat Linux. It's a beta of the Red Hat Linux 7.2-based Enterprise product, tuned for high-end hardware and high load. It's not what you want to try on your home box and won't install on anything smaller than an i686.
A beta of the upcoming release of Red Hat Linux will be released when it's ready (we don't preannounce releases).
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A lot of applications that run on kde2 are not yet ported to kde3.
This is true, but it's also trivial to do. On the API side, the differences between KDE 2.x and 3.x are minor.
For Gnome2; I do not know much about it, but it might still be a release for developers.
It totally breaks the old API, so expect to wait for a long time until applications have been ported.
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Hehe, thanks for the link, I read a couple of lines into the first paragraph trying to make sense of it before I started wondering if it was the Chomskybot. Of course their styles are quite distinct.
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See, you can go to Pluto (Charon too). What's really incredible is that they figured out what they look like...
Everything is mainstream now.
Mandrake will not try and release Gnome2 and KDE3, since they have learnt from their mistake with shipping KDE2 with 7.2. This instead will be a rock-solid release, and since Star Office 6.0 will only be released in late April/early May, there is not point in waiting for it. Instead, however, you can get an OpenOffice 641c build (but better than the SUN-compiled versions since it is compiled with gcc 3.0.4, ie the Insert->Frame bug is not there in the Mandrake RPMs), working out-the-box (no ./setup -net to do) with multi-lingual builds and multi-lingual spell-checking (see the myspell-(lang) RPMs.
Is there *any* clear way to install rawhide via FTP? I know that it's not guaranteed, it may blow up my machine etc. etc., but it would be nice to have a way to do a fresh install of it (I tried using the hdinstall.img from 7.2 & making my own FTP directory, that doesn't seem to work). Any ideas?
I was wondering how it inserted a kernel module, since I run it as a normal user, and neither armagetron or armagetron-server are suid. I ran it and did a lsmod and didn't come up with anything related to snake or armagetron. Odd.
At any rate, I'm not a gamer, but Armagetron is one of the few games I actually enjoy. It's worth the download and giving it a shot.
--
Evan
"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
I do my install only once in a while (usually when I get a new system, every two years.)
So for me, it's not important if I spend 1, 2, 3 hours to get the bits and pieces moved from one medium to the other. Beside the install usually goes smoothly without me sitting in front of the machine (I start it before calling a friend and chatting for 3 hours.) The longest part is to download the iso images so what it is I would gain if it installed in half the time if the files are up to 20 hours to download?
-- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
Should I try something different? I'd hate to relearn the boot system (/etc/rc.d) AGAIN, I already did that once when I switched from Slackware to Redhat. I might be a programmer, but I ain't no sysadmin and it would be nice not to have to f*ck with 99% of the system just to get things the way I want them...
Yah I know SuSE is my favorite for desktops.
It's definitely the BEST kde in distro too.
I know I'm going to hell, I'm just trying to get good seats.
There's no mention on it's details webpage about the release... anyone know?
So tell them. They're the kind of company which is prone to fixing things like that; they're not Microsoft. When the donate link first went up, it was on the front page. They moved it to a more obscure location at the request of their business partners. They've turned to the community before calling it quits, which takes more guts and frankness than 99% of corporations have. Would you rather see that attitude perish, or the ``nothing to see folks, business as usual, oh shit'' approach die?
Funny, I seem to recall something about free downloads, something else about paying their developers to fix code used by you (and in other distros), and lots of other generous moves, including that their base distro is (except for Navigator) 100% Open Source and nearly 100% GPL.
They did. It was one of the calculated risks that they took. They didn't say ``let's make a buck out of Linux'', they said ``let's produce a good Linux distro and if we make a buck as well, great!'' They're only in trouble now because their previous management team ignored the corporate spirit and started pushing them towards standard DotCom stupidity. And were fired for it. I say support them not because they're a business venture but because they do so much for Linux in perticular, and Free software in general; and because they're a flagship of sorts. If they go down, it will cause some serious finger-pointing among the enemies of Free software and Linux.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
It did not work at all for me (couldn't find the network card or CD ROM), and I know I wasn't the only person to have had this experience.
Two things have given me the push to nuke Win2k and install 8.2 when it comes out. First is Crossover plugin which lets me read Word documents and run Windows Media Player. The second is my friend has installed Counter-Strike directly onto ext2 and has it running full speed under WINE. Here is how it is done.
Phillip.
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