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Anthony Boyd writes: "At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th. And of course, SuSE Linux 8.0 is going to be released in mid-April. Features for SuSE appear to include KDE 3.0 and a whole lot of games. Features for Mandrake appear to be a super small install and, well, stability. Sounds great to me."
1)I will only support SEX if it is open source. The only sex I can get, however, is available by subscription, for $300/hour.
I guess I will have to give mandrake another try.. last time I tried a kernel upgrade it didn't like me too much, although I think that was more my fault than theirs... Well, good thing I don't actually keep stuff that I use long term only on one partition, since the new versions come out in two days, although with their current financial situation, I think I will buy 8.2 instead of my usual download
A Newsnight investigation raised the possibility that there was a secret CIA project to investigate methods of sending anthrax through the mail which went madly out of control.
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...and how to purify and how to dry
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...closely related to each other
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...some in less than classified company. During the course of our interview he told us several pieces of technical information which one expert said could help anyone intending to create an anthrax weapon.
....I did not...I'm an American patriot.
r ammes/newsnight/archive/newsid_1873000/1873368.stm
The shocking assertion is that a key member of the covert operation may have removed, refined and eventually posted weapons-grade anthrax which killed five people.
In the wake of Sept 11th, the anthrax attacks caused panic throughout the States and around the world. But has the FBI found the whole case too hot to handle? Our science editor Susan Watts reported from Washington.
SUSAN WATTS:
America's anthrax attack last autumn was second only to that on the Twin Towers in the degree of shock and anxiety it caused...Some even say the anthrax letters triggered sub-clinical hysteria in the American people...yet this, the first major act of biological terrorism the world has seen remains an unsolved crime...
Initially the investigation looked for a possible Al-Qaeda or Iraqi link, then to a domestic terrorist, then inwards to the US bio-defence programme itself. But in the last four or five weeks the investigation seems to have run into the sand...There have been several theories as to why
Three weeks ago Dr Barbara Rosenberg - an acknowledged authority on US bio-defence - claimed the FBI is dragging its feet because an arrest would be embarrassing to the US authorities. Tonight on Newsnight, she goes further...suggesting there could have been a secret CIA field project to test the practicalities of sending anthrax through the mail - whose top scientist went badly off the rails...
DR BARBARA ROSENBERG:
FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTISTS:
Some very expert field person would have been given this job and it would have been left to him to decide exactly how to carry it out. The result might have been a project gone badly awry if he decided to use it for his own purposes and target the media and the senate for his own motives as not intended by the govt project...but this is a possibility that I think needs to be considered
WATTS:
And another leading bio-defence analyst has already sketched out a similar profile for the kind of person likely to be behind the anthrax attacks...
MILTON LEITENBERG:
CENTRE FOR INTERNATIONAL & SECURITY STUDIES:
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND:
I would think it was somebody who had this kind of experience, and I think the word that I used for you was 'a cowboy' when we first spoke, that simply means in the United States someone who feels such bravura in his actions, he feels he's a free actor, he can decide what should be done and what shouldn't be done, and what the reason is.
WATTS:
In recent weeks, the focus of the investigation has been the US army medical research institute at Fort Detrick near Washington. Fort Detrick is the site at the centre of a web of military centres spread across the US and twilight private companies which work with these military sites hand- in-hand as contractors...
Colonel David Franz was in charge at Fort Detrick for eleven years - he's had hands-on experience with biological agents and has his own ideas about the kind of person the FBI should be looking for.
COLONEL DAVID FRANZ:
FORMER DETRICK MEDICAL RESEARCH PROG, 1987-98:
It's not someone who just got on the Internet or went to the library and got a book and held the book in one hand and a big wooden spoon in the other and stirred up batches. It's someone who has spent a significant amount of time I believe working with a spore former of some kind and knew how to grow
WATTS:
Inside accounts by former staff at Fort Detrick during the nineties reveal a research site in disarray with questionable security measures. We spoke to one former lab technician now working in Belize about unexplained night-time activities in the lab.
DR MARY BETH DOWNS:
ST MATTHEW'S UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE:
FORMER FORT DETRICK EMPLOYEE:
I came in developed my negatives and here they said anthrax and I looked at this little counter that would have been putting the sequential numbers on the film and there weren't any films missing and yet I knew that Friday I had used it and it hadn't said anthrax.
WATTS:
What did that suggest to you had been happening over the weekend?
DOWNS:
That someone had been in there working on anthrax....Anyone who did have access to the labs was not monitored in what they did, either in what they did in the lab that is the amount of agent they were growing, or in what they did with that agent, that is if they put it in their pocket and took it home
WATTS:
Such is the FBI's determination to establish if Fort Detrick is at the heart of this that it has turned to genomic analysis of the powder itself...The Inst for Genomic Research was founded by Craig Venter - the man who sped up the decoding of the Human Genome... their anthrax team has created a DNA "fingerprint" of anthrax taken from the body of the first person to be killed - a Florida-based newspaper man. They're looking for differences between this so-called Florida "strain" and stored samples from a number of US military sites
This is the first time genomic analysis has been used for microbial forensics...Tim Read is one of the world's leading authorities on the genetic make-up of anthrax . He compared the fingerprint of the Florida strain with that of samples originating at Fort Detrick. The results are not yet published - so he's being careful what he says:
DR TIMOTHY READ:
THE INSTITUTE OF GENOMIC RESEARCH:
They're definitely related to each other
WATTS:
Could they be so closely related that one could consider them to be one and the same thing?
READ:
I'm not commenting on that...
WATTS:
But the real answer may lie not just in where the anthrax came from, but who had access to it. Veterans of the 1960s US germ warfare programme were the obvious first thought. Early on in the investigation, there was one name that immediately came to many people, but few dared whisper it aloud. William Capers Patrick the third was part of the original US programme, which officially drew to a close in the 1960s...The New York Times claimed last December he was the author in 1998 of a secret paper study on the possible effects of anthrax sent through the mail, although he now denies that.
We went to see Bill Patrick to ask him if he might know the culprit...
Hello Susan Watts BBC
Patrick is an acknowledged showman...known for his startling demonstrations
WILLIAM CAPERS PATRICK III:
BIOLOGICAL WARFARE CONSULTANT:
I've prepared two harmless simulant powders... beautiful flow properties...
WATTS:
It's clear from what Bill Patrick told us that he's been a central figure in the bio-defence community for many years and that he may well have met or come across the person behind the attacks...
PATRICK:
Most of my discussions about the biological problem has been in secure conferences and meetings, and involve people with need to know, with security clearance and what have you. I don't talk about 'how to', I don't get into 'how to' with many people, no people other than the fact that those who really have a need to know.
WATTS:
Does it nag at you in the back of your mind that possibly you do know him?
PATRICK:
Possibly, possibly, I could have talked to these people. But it would have been within the context of their having a need to know.
WATTS:
He told me two FBI agents and an official from the attorney general's office interviewed him for 3 and a half hours two weeks ago. He says they told him he had been a suspect, but left him believing he was in the clear.
And just to put on record can I ask you did you perpetrate these attacks..
PATRICK:
my goodness I did not
WATTS:
Patrick was on the UN team that inspected Iraqi weapons facilities in the mid 1990s, and he WAS surprised the FBI didn't come to him straight after the attacks, simply because of his expertise. He acknowledges it was only logical to consider him a suspect, but for Patrick, the most likely explanation, or perhaps the most comfortable, is that the powder and the motive originated overseas - in some rogue state...
PATRICK:
I would hate to think that anyone in our country.. that would do this to our own people, if we ever find whoever does this I hope it comes from overseas, because that way I would.. well I don't want.. I want someone to be caught, I want the perpetrator to be caught, but I would rather think that it came from our enemies outside of our own country as opposed to our own people perpetrating this crime against our own
WATTS:
Bill Patrick is no longer seen as a suspect, but the net IS closing around someone at the heart of the US germ warfare programme.
We now know by piecing together information from well-placed sources that there's another individual. He's been interviewed by FBI agents, and remains under widespread suspicion...
But he's no loner. He's likely to have worked on a key government project in the past and to have a network of friends and colleagues he can rely on. The possibility that more than one person is involved may answer some of the perplexing geographical questions about where the attacks originated.
DR RONALD ATLAS:
AMERICAN SOCIETY OF MICROBIOLOGISTS:
I think that the significance of focussing on a group is that you can have one person with the expertise to produce this weaponised anthrax and someone else to actually deliver it to Trenton. I think that a large part of the investigation early on focused on AN individual. As such we would ask the question, could that individual have gotten to New Jersey. If you begin to think that it could have involved two or more, then the alibi of an individual that I was not near New Jersey may in fact fall apart and you could look at someone else delivering it...
WATTS:
The private contractor companies linked to the military and jokingly referred to as "beltway bandits" because they're sprinkled around the Washington beltway ring-road, is where individuals with the right mix of skills might be working. Some of these contractors are now known to have been involved in classified bio-defence projects. One of these secret projects, carried out in the Nevada desert, was part of a series of three In the first few days of September last year - immediately prior to the attacks of the 11th, the New York Times carried a major investigation which at any other time would have been a story of huge significance...It revealed three secret bio-defence projects at a time when the American people believed none was taking place. One - run by a contractor - Battelle - was to create genetically altered anthrax. The question now is - are there more such projects?
MILTON LEITENBERG:
UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND:
now we've discovered that the CIA is in this business too, though presumably only through contractors. But we don't know how many contractors. One contractor is now publicly disclosed, Battelle, that did one of those projects. There may be other contractors, so there was this whole story has not been clarified publicly, so that's the rest of your iceberg, in other words we don't know how many contractors, we don't know how many projects.
WATTS:
The 1998 paper study on anthrax in the mail was one secret project. Dr Rosenberg is making the astonishing suggestion that there may have been a deadly follow-up by somebody else. Last time she questioned the investigation, she was attacked by the FBI and the White House. But she says she's prepared to speak out again because she's so afraid of what might happen next.
DR BARBARA ROSENBERG:
FEDERATION OF AMERICAN SCIENTISTS:
This person is.. knows a lot about forensic matters, knows exactly what he can be prosecuted for and what he can get away with and I think he had some personal matters that he might have wanted to settle but I think in addition that he felt that biodefence was being under-emphasised for some time in the past
WATTS:
Rosenberg's claims are astonishing but she's an insider with good contacts. She thinks the FBI must act soon.
ROSENBERG:
I think the time is rapidly coming when it will be very important to bring him to trial, even if they don't think they have sufficient evidence. This might at least, if not result in a criminal conviction, make it possible to bring civil charges somewhat like what happened to OJ Simpson in the past. So I think it's time to start moving because it's very important from the point of view of deterrence of any possible future terrorist.
WATTS:
America's desire to protect its biodefense programme from scrutiny at all costs was part of why it walked away from an international agreement to control biological weapons last summer. Could its near obsessive secrecy have come home to roost? breeding a climate that allowed one of its experts to take a step too far and turn bio-terrorist against his own?
THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT WAS READ OUT AFTER THE BROADCAST : The CIA have told Newsnight they totally reject Dr Rosenberg's theory and say they were unaware of ANY project to assess the impact of anthrax sent through the mail.
This transcript was produced from the teletext subtitles that are generated live for Newsnight. It has been checked against the programme as broadcast, however Newsnight can accept no responsibility for any factual inaccuracies. We will be happy to correct serious errors.
Excerpted from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/low/english/audiovideo/prog
I am into the copy and paste.
Several folks where I work have been testing the Mandrake 8.2 beta releases, and they're uniformly reporting that things are much better than 8.1 release. Personally, I'd rather buy a Mandrake box than go the donation route, but either way, you should be getting great value for your money.
Kinda offtopic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux. I've been playing LBreakout2 non-stop, but other than that (and of course Q2), I've yet to find any nice games that I like.
This isn't a troll or anything, I'm genuinely wondering if anyone has suggestions.
We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade.
When is the next Windows version gonna be out?!?!?!? I mean I really want to do real work instead of tinkering with some Swedish piece of shit OS.
Don't mod me, bro'!!!!
They both still suck, and GNU/Itsucks is deader than *BSD. Hey, faggots, what's with the HP ads in the middle of the story text? Even if you popped-up ads like a pr0n site, you still have a nonexistant business model, and will be out on the street giving blowjobs for quarters as soon as Larry Augustin's rich dad realizes that he's a failure and stops burning VC in the garbage-fire that is VA Linux^H^H^H^H^HSoftware^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HFuckingbank rupt. To quote Nelson, "ha, ha!" Eighth post!
maybe in the next version they can get PONG working at 100%.
Me and lunchbox here are going to kick your ass.
anyone know whats up with slack? when is there going to be a new version?
Im getting my new p4 system ready, i just trow to the trash my winmodem and got a new shiny one (56k crap anyway :\), so im ready to take off... It will be nice to start with new Mandrake and KDE3.
By the way, you are the experts, whats your experience with nvidia video cards on linux?, i have a geforce3.
Sigs are for morons... Wait a minute...
I've reached a point where I feel the need to express my disappointment with MandrakeSoft. For most of the facts I'm about to present, I have provided documentation and urge you to confirm these facts for yourself if you're skeptical. I used a phrase a few moments ago. I referred to MandrakeSoft's factotums as "nettlesome shysters." You ought to memorize that phrase, because, frankly, if history follows its course, it should be evident that we must understand that we're all in this mess together. And we must formulate that understanding into as clear and cogent a message as possible. MandrakeSoft has been trying for some time to convince people that a richly evocative description of a problem automatically implies the correct solution to that problem. Don't believe its hype! MandrakeSoft has just been offering that line as a means to consign most of us to the role of its servants or slaves.
I don't normally want to expose anyone to rigorous sarcasm, satire and disdain, but MandrakeSoft deserves it. I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that MandrakeSoft is up to, the more shocking things, things like how it wants to weaken family ties. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but if you don't think that the final product of its blanket statements will be a dysfunctional society, wherein every natural self-defense mechanism has been short-circuited in some grotty effort to gain short-term financial benefits, then think again. Even though MandrakeSoft presents a public face that avoids overt paternalism, the space remaining in this letter will not suffice even to enumerate the ways in which it has tried to silence critical debate and squelch creative brainstorming.
MandrakeSoft is reluctant to resolve problems. It always just looks the other way and hopes no one will notice that it ignores the most basic ground rule of debate. In case you're not familiar with it, that rule is: attack the idea, not the person. Granted, MandrakeSoft clings to deconstructionism like a drowning man clings to a life preserver. But MandrakeSoft believes that it is a perpetual victim of injustice. Sorry, but I have to call foul on that one. Be forewarned: MandrakeSoft pompously claims that everything it says is thoroughly and entirely true. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Lastly, phallocentrism is classically a hodgepodge of ventures crafted for mass appeal.
I don't know about that. I thought they were getting another Release Candidate ready because there were a few known bugs in RC1.
I have problem with GeForce 2 with View Sonic LCD monitor (connected with DVI input). Installed Mandrake 8.0, it even listed my monitor in settings. But it obviusly could not sync to my monitor. I did not even think DVI can have sync problem, after all it is DIGITAL! NVidia drivers did not help either. After spending a day I fixed this by removing XConfig-4, and tweaking old config file. Tried installing Mandrake 8.1 later - still not good.
So now I type this on XP, sorry.
But if you have non-LCD monitor, you should be safe.
MSDOS: 20+ years without remote hole in the default install
At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th.
Glad slashdot got the scoop before the Washington Post or the New York Times.
I'm trying to be funny sarcastic, not mean sarcastic, so nobody get too upset.
I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release? I mean, you'd think people were waiting for the new mandrake like it was a necessary transplant organ...
Just placed my order for 8.0.
I've been using it since 6.2 and its been solid.
I love it because it contains EVERYTHING.
No need to go looking for an RPM (using rpmfind.net), its all on the CDs (or DVD)
:)
the key thing with suse, as with any install is to turn off the junk you dont need.
Can anyone confirm/deny that it will be a later release? I have high hopes for using it as the daily OS on my iBook.
The best feature about Mandrake 8.1 is that it took about half the time to install as Windows 2000 and was probably the easiest install for linux. This may not seem like much for computer geeks (the slashdot crowd), but it is vital for getting linux on more personal desktops. If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft. I can only hope that Mandrake 8.2 continues the trend of the other Mandrakes before it.
Are there any status reports on Red Hat releases like a beta?
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Ricky, have you checked these two Web sites yet?
Linux Games
The Linux Game Tone
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Suse wouldnt boot? Or you couldnt boot Suse?
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
Buying the box means mandrake makes less money
if all you want is a free manual and a nice looking box, maybe you can find a printer
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
But $#$!@#@!%, With Mandrake Running and configured, for X (GeForce2Go 32M), and 802.11b (internal Dell which is Orinoco based, plus PCMCIA Orinico Gold and Linksys WCP11 cards) I was happy. Running fine on my Dell Inspiron 8100 (1GHz, 20G, 512M RAM) and my Dell Inspiron 4100 (1.2GHz, 40G, 512M RAM). Happy dual boot camper.
So, I download Mandrake 8.2 RC 1. Burn the 3 CD's. Install. Install CRASHES on one, I recover (not an idiot, I know how to recover). Overwrote X configs and drivers (drivers are easy, any Linux Kernel change requires a recompile of the .src.rpm from Nvidia, I expected that), but rewrite my XF86Config??? Change my /etc/modules.conf? HELLO? WTF? Is this 1994 Linux?
Then, PCMCIA is TOTALLY non-functional. Of both laptops, it took me about 4 hours before I could get ONE of the PCMCIA wireless cards to work again. Not sure what the hell is going on here, but the Mandrake-User-Forum (now that I look too late) mentions Mandrake FUXERED UP the PCMCIA thing on RC1 even thought beta3 was even working ok.
Bottom Line. When upgrading your Linux distribution causes users ANY problems, is a day Linux takes another step backwards from being "end user friendly" and "mainstream" and "a desktop alternitive."
I have no doubt in my mind, Linux _IS_ more powerful at the core than MS products. But, if it can't be packaged and installed well, it just won't ever matter.
Why can't Mandrake wait another month for a release so it can include both KDE 3 and GNOME 2? Good thing about having a recent distro for me is it means less software to upgrade after a fresh install, but Mandrake 8.2 looks old before it's even out (Evolution 1.01, Apache 1.3.22, etc). True, a lot of the time it doesn't matter, but the bleeding edge is one reason why I enjoy Mandrake.
Nostradamous says these distributions will soon announce they are dead and everyone should run Red Hat.
Weren't these the guys who just said they were dying? Or was that SUSE?
WTF are you talking about. If your accusations are true, please provide simple, clear, examples without the longwinded rant.
What did they do? Give Dates, Give Details, and reserve your long winded opinions...... Let us judge them on the evidence. If what you say is true, SHOW US!!!
&*(&$*(!&#@*!(#!@ Get to your frigging point! point to the exact things MandrakeSoft did, dates, specifics.
All you have done is rant about "how evil they are" and to justify you say "because they did bad stuff." Yet you don't define evil, or what bad stuff is...
This is a TOTAL TROLL. Redeem yourself, POST SOME ACTUAL INFORMATION rather than your ranting opinions. PLEASE. Or your will fall into an all time looser troll catagory.
I use mandrake 8.1 as a server. It's done everything I've needed and has been plenty stable. My only company is installing anything with mandrake is a real.... It doesnt ever include anything you need to install stuff, Installing one minor thing includes 30 other things to install before it. With things like Slackware and RedHat I've never had such a hassle..
Can you read?
BSD is dying. Get it right.
I am into the copy and paste.
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I have never tried Suse, and only installed Mandrake once on a laptop in hopes of getting it to recognize a pcmcia card (it didn't), so maybe I'm not making much sense here, but it seems to me that these two distros are battling each other for the "European KDE-leaning user-friendlyish financially-faltering" distro. Wouldn't closer collaboration on their parts be beneficial, to avoid redundancies in installers/configurators/packages/etc? I know their packaging schemes are different, and they probably have minor differences in their file system organization, but they may be able to achieve fairly substantial cost savings by cooperating more and each distributing their own "branded" versions.
I currently run Red Flag Linux. Should I switch
over to Mandrake or SUSE? Actually, my friend
keeps telling me FreeBSD is superior. Maybe
I'll just run what my friend is running.
They (and esp. SUSE) are wasting version numbers just like Windows-Software is doing for years.
As they jump from 7.X to 8, there must have been great changes (hear me laugh?).
I think you should go on with versions like they do; SUSE is doing this to make people think they are better/... than RH or any Distro with lower numbers.
:-((
I don't have a credit card and I don't have a CD burner so I just buy from WalMart. Its actually conveniant that way. I get quality Free Software for like twenty bucks. Otherwise I would probably waste that money on five milk shakes in the course of a week.
Does it help Mandrake? I don't know what their situation is. I buy software because I like it.
Strange idea, isn't it?
The good news is that Transgaming (www.transgaming.com) is porting Direct X 8 to Linux. That project is called WineX. They have already got it partially working - native windows version of MAX PAYNE (the number one hit game) already works under Linux!
Any ladies here like to get eaten out during their period? Bloody snatch tastes best. The texture is like chunky spaghetti sauce, I slurp it down.
I have been using SuSE since 5.3 and I guess I will buy this upgrade as well, better to have everything on my hard drive then need to download many upgrades over a dial up. I usually copythe SuSE distro cds to my hard drive and have everything available every time I use YaST.Yast2 doesn't like the installation from hard drive but YaST has no problems with it. However, I do want to see what packages have been updated, I guess one of these days I should start with a clean install rather than just upgrade.
>>>please remove "nospam" from email address
List: mandrake-cooker
Subject: [Cooker] 8.2
From: Warly <warly@mandrakesoft.com>
Date: 2002-03-15 18:07:56
[Download message RAW]
I am in the process of building the final 8.2 isos.
These isos will be tested this week-end, and released on Monday if OK.
As a consequence if you find some free minutes this week-end and test all the uploads that have been done today, and report any regression, that would be quite a great help.
--
Warly
The original can be found here.
"Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wuntime ewwors!" - Elmer Fudd
I really recommend Mandrake for anyone who's new to
GNU/Linux and want's to use it as their desktop OS, although I've now replaced my two boxes with OpenBSD 3.0 and Debian Woody, I still love Mandrake, IMHO it
has to be the distro that's easiest to install, easiest to use and configure, and it's very focused on desktop use, it's the perfect distro for anyone who's just starting out with GNU/Linux, aswell as an experienced user.
Frozen-bubble was written by Guillaume Cottenceau (spelling of that is almost certainly wrong), one of the Mandrake developers, and is surprisingly addictive. It's kind of like Snood, if you've played that.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
It's not. It went into beta some weeks after the x86 version. I guess they're planning an 8.2-for-Alpha as well, since there is currently an Alpha Cooker around.
If you want a version `optimised' for 386, 486, P3, P4 or Athlon, one of the things Mandrake carefully checked during this Cooker cycle was that Athlon optimisations worked properly, when selected. There is also a new package, rpm-rebuild, which will rebuild the entire distribution from source in one go.
They also timed the release rather well, fielding and dealing with the PHP, OpenSSH and zlib bugs in the 11th hour. It should be one of their best releases, BoC I'm no prophet: only time will tell.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I believe you could mix Mandrake and Debian (urpmi, at heart, doesn't care whether it's based on RPM or PKG), or SuSE and Caldera (for a distro that knows Novell and displays well), and get a much better outcome.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
1. no matter what you do, Linux will not survive in it's current form, and that's a good thing. Linux is a living, growing beastie. It has no current form, at least not for more than a week.
2. Linux doesn't need or want to compete with Microsoft, certainly not head on. If you focus on beating your competitors, the best you can possibly do is slightly better than them, and who wants to aim so low?
3. What Linux wants to do is its own thing, and do it so well that Microsoft will die of natural causes. IRL, Linux doesn't care about Microsoft all that much. Linux will continue press on without publicity, without major funding, without lawyers, without distributors as such. That's how Linux was born, that's how Linux will live, and when its turn comes, that's how Linux will die.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I mean, it's something that would be of interest to most people on Slashdot.
And you have to admit, it can be hard finding good games for Linux.
Just make sure that you mention that yes, you know what [Rogue|Nethack|Adom]
is already. To attempt to cut down on those inevitable l33ter-than-thou,
text-is-god people.
Wow, this release will represent an important historical milestone for SUSE (pronounced "SOOS", not something faggy like "SOOSAY"), as it will be the very last release prior to SUSE going tits up.
Expected to be a (albeit worthless) collector's edition!
Mandrake was extremly buggy in 8.1 and euro support was fucked up! (IM A EUROPEAN USER, I NEED THE EURO!)
Bugs that really annoyed me were quiet sound, unable to connect to gnutella, a fucked up version of gnome, and a bit slow for 64 mbs of ram.
If they fixed it then im willing to fork up another £70 for a WORKING LINUX!
Do either of them include GCC 3.x?
I ask because it is especially difficult to upgrade from gcc 2.x, I don't want to recompile every C++ program...
I like being able to edit files to customize the compilation (no Gnome-core-libs-bloat? no problem. know I don't want kde/kdelibs? no problem.) and only installing what I want on my system - all of em in their cpu-optimized goodness.
I was using Sorcerer/Sorcery/Lunar-Penguin (aka, the "let's have a battle of egos and fork like there's no tomorrow" distros), until they factioned and started having all the stupid in-fighting; now I went with the solid, founded, Gentoo - a little extra time with set up and editing files, but worth the effort.
-- oodabadabaY
Looks like SUSE will stick with the old StarOffice 5.2 and not wait for 6.0. :) ..
This goes for Mandrake as well... Mandrake will not wait for KDE 3.0 Gnome 2.0 and other MAJOR updates. I will stick with my RedHat distro at least they will have all the new programs when they get around to updating again.
I must say the SUSE games did look nice
They should have added TuxRacer & Chromium to there list ): Oh well I guess they will be in there
Being an old SuSE user, I will have to assume that 8.0 will offer the usual high SuSE standards for stability that the previous versions have as well as the games.
I have rarely been disappointed with a SuSE distribution.
-- Many men would appreciate a woman's mind more if they could fondle it
Cooker is in deep freeze at the moment, so if you don't mind doing an ftp install, you can get 8.2 right now. You might have to update a few rpm's later. I'ts probably more than my life's worth to say *where* you can get it on /. though. BTW, KDE in 8.2 is *much* faster than in 8.1.
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
My company has different billing and shipping addresses and yet, unlike other companies, they only have room for one address. I emailed them, they said enter the shipping address, which doesn't work because then the credit card authorization will fail. I gave up.
Saturday the file sizes and dates changed on some of the mirrors for Mandrake RC1. Upon downloading, and installing, it appears that this is the final. I grabbed mine here here
btw: It looks great!
Select a spaceship and travel to places where no man has ever been: the exciting real-time simulation shows you the planets and other objects of our solar system in high resolution and from any angle.
Wow, so it takes years to go see Pluto? I'm not sure I have that kind of dedication.
Sorry to say this, but it is totally irrelevant that these two are releasing new editions.
/etc/modules.conf) from other distros (sometimes it's hard to find info how to get around problems on SuSE).
First, don't be a fool and fall prey to Windows-style ugprade marketing. They could have called that free upgrades, they call it new releases instead.
I'm running SuSE 7.2 now and Mandrake 8.2 RC1 on the other machine.
o SuSE new release: some client-side programs that I don't use anyway. Otherwise, SuSE is very solid but different (less
o Mandrake: likewise. I hope the new release fixes major bugs from 8.1. Some things seem better (especialy wizards, which I don't need), but nothing major.
o RH: of course they're not releasing anything new when selling OS isn't profitable.
So now it's time for these three to start learning from Caldera and Turbolinux, ahhahaha...
I've got new Mozilla on SuSE 7.2, that's about all the upgrades I planned in to perform till Q4/02...
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One of the games with SuSE is Open Universe. Boy, those open-source zealots are really thinking big these days... what's next after the universe?
There has got to be some payola going on here, because I can't imagine any other reason for abusing the readership in this way. Maybe it really is time to discard the "News For Nerds. Stuff That Matters" tagline, because, while I have no problem with a company or community changing directions naturally over time, I also do not need to have my ear pissed in while being told it is raining.
Slashdot isn't about news for nerds, it's about Linux politicking. If that's the case, then fine, those of us who don't belong will get lost. Just stop pretending that nothing has changed.
The current Red Hat beta is Pensacola. Most recent update was about a week ago.
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ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/pens
Be kind and use a local mirror site.
Check your local full Red Hat mirror for Pensacola, the most recent Red Hat beta. Roswell is what became 7.2. Pensacola is what will become either 7.3 or 8.0.
ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/pensacola
Be kind and use a mirror.
I have a .ac.uk connection and would really like SUSE linux 8.0 when it arrives but I cannot really afford to buy it. Why can't i download the full cd set? I dont need the extra support from buying it
That's their business model: No downloadable iso images. That doesn't violate the GPL btw.
I donated some money a while back when I downloaded mandrake 8.1. As a consequence I was made a member of their club. I didn't have to do anything beyond donate the money.
So now they have a drive for people to subscribe to the club in order to get money from donations. However, since I am already in the club, and I do not want to donate the $60 a year for the lowest donation bracket, I was looking for another way to donate. (I'm a cheap student.)
Last time I donated I had the ability to say "I want my money to be applied towards project X," where project X was things like i18n, KDE, etc. I haven't been able to find a place on their web pages where I can donate in this same way, an amount that I want to. Can somebody point me to where I can donate without re-signing up for their club?
Thanks.
this is beros second reply to the second incarnation of misinformation. the man knows what he's talking about, mod his post up (or alternatively the other one, two pageups away).
Mandrake will not try and release Gnome2 and KDE3, since they have learnt from their mistake with shipping KDE2 with 7.2. This instead will be a rock-solid release, and since Star Office 6.0 will only be released in late April/early May, there is not point in waiting for it. Instead, however, you can get an OpenOffice 641c build (but better than the SUN-compiled versions since it is compiled with gcc 3.0.4, ie the Insert->Frame bug is not there in the Mandrake RPMs), working out-the-box (no ./setup -net to do) with multi-lingual builds and multi-lingual spell-checking (see the myspell-(lang) RPMs.
long live the HURD!!!!!
oh wait....
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
C'mon... unless they're marking the price up 10x in the U.K. compared to U.S. prices, I can't believe you can't scrape up the equivalent of $29 to buy a boxed set to support the company when you can afford a broadband connection. That's pathetic.
You don't use science to show that you're right, you use science to become right.
Is there *any* clear way to install rawhide via FTP? I know that it's not guaranteed, it may blow up my machine etc. etc., but it would be nice to have a way to do a fresh install of it (I tried using the hdinstall.img from 7.2 & making my own FTP directory, that doesn't seem to work). Any ideas?
Setting up Linux on my laptop was kind of a bear. A few releases ago, I tried to upgrade (update? I can't remember what it's called) from a previous version of Mandrake, and my whole system was trashed so badly I had to reinstall from scratch.
Anybody had any luck with this recently, or should I just reinstall from scratch again?
Instead of being so smug, perhaps you should help 'enlighten' we non-Debian and non-Slackware users as to WHY you're so strong in your support? Rather than just look down your nose at us, _tell us_ *WHY* you use Debian or Slackware.
Your attitude is precisely what keeps people away from Linux. Like that of a petulant 12 year old who won't share his toys. "Mine's better, and no, you can't play with it, and no, I won't tell you why it's better."
Sheesh.
"If there's hope, it lies in the proles..."
ArmageTron rocks. IT's a multi-player 3D tron game. It's like snake running as a kernel module. I did an lsmod and found this:
Module Size Used by Tainted: P
keybdev 1856 0 (unused)
mousedev 4160 1
ac97_codec 9568 0 [maestro3]
snakeengine 2317 0 (armagetrondev)
armagetrondev 2317 0 (unused)
lp 6464 0
usb-uhci 21668 0 (unused)
usbcore 51232 1 [hid usbmouse usb-uhci]
ne2k-pci 5120 1 (autoclean)
8390 6416 0 (autoclean) [ne2k-pci]
tuner 8580 1 (autoclean)
tvaudio 10080 0 (autoclean) (unused)
bttv 59776 0
videodev 4896 3 [bttv]
i2c-algo-bit 7244 1 [bttv]
i2c-core 13568 0 [tuner tvaudio bttv i2c-algo-bit]
ide-scsi 8032 0
scsi_mod 92488 3 [sd_mod sr_mod ide-scsi]
rtc 5912 0 (autoclean)
I'm using Mandrake 8.2 beta3 now, and I'm buying the box set at Walmart if its there. I'll never open it, but I'll probably never throw it away.
Everyone should go to Walmart on the release date of these distros and request that Walmart has enough copies in stock for you and all your friends.
Except you can play with both Debian and Slackware to find out for yourself. Debian and Slackware are more stable because of the standards set by developers on themselves, etc. There's no real reason to explain "why" they're stable, that's not the point. They just /are/ stable.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
I do my install only once in a while (usually when I get a new system, every two years.)
So for me, it's not important if I spend 1, 2, 3 hours to get the bits and pieces moved from one medium to the other. Beside the install usually goes smoothly without me sitting in front of the machine (I start it before calling a friend and chatting for 3 hours.) The longest part is to download the iso images so what it is I would gain if it installed in half the time if the files are up to 20 hours to download?
-- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
Why is everyone so set on useing Redhat, Mandrake, or SuSE? Have we forgotten the old ways of slackware or other "old-school" distributions? What about freeBSD? One of the things us linux users are against is the way microsoft makes everything so easy... But thats exactally what we are allowing ourselvs to use when we choose Redhat, Mandreake, or SuSE... Just something to think about...
Should I try something different? I'd hate to relearn the boot system (/etc/rc.d) AGAIN, I already did that once when I switched from Slackware to Redhat. I might be a programmer, but I ain't no sysadmin and it would be nice not to have to f*ck with 99% of the system just to get things the way I want them...
It's ease of use, simple installation and friendly package system. I compile almost every application from sources, and I use Slackware's base A B and N packages on my system, then I go a head and install anything else I need.
You may be surprised but I'm actually a very helpful person when the new user comes in with his Red Hat or Mandrake problems. I do my part in the community, I hang out on dal.net in #linux (nickname: notaku) and help people who don't know how to mount their vfat partition, see their IP address, enable IP MASQ, and encourage people to compile their own programs.
I help people use fdisk
The abundance of users that come in and ask questions are Mandrake or red hat users, they wait until KDE 3.9.4 is released with the new version of Mandrake because they either:
can't download and install it their self
or is unfamiliar on how to compile a program.
My major gripes with Mandrake are these recent "give me money" talks. What do they need money for? To make their software more easy? Many projects out there do just this and never ask for donations. What are they doing wrong? Why can they not be like red hat who is currently not following Loki's route.
Slackware is however, a prime example of this. Slackware lost funding to it's project, and asked for donations, I would of donated but I felt the 39$ I spent back in 1997 covered my cost. I did my part in the community, I don't depend on Slackware to release a new version every time some Core program gets updated, and I hope others stop to put a burden on their Distributors as well.
Why do I like Slackware?
Slackware is Great.
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
updated my redhat 7.2 with kde 3.0 (rc1) and kernel 2.4.18-0.4 from rawhide. a few problems but not sure how much this has to do with forcing this and that during the install. not much difference between kde 2.2 and 3.0, does things noticeably faster in most cases.
waiting eagerly for a beta to come out.
There's no mention on it's details webpage about the release... anyone know?
So tell them. They're the kind of company which is prone to fixing things like that; they're not Microsoft. When the donate link first went up, it was on the front page. They moved it to a more obscure location at the request of their business partners. They've turned to the community before calling it quits, which takes more guts and frankness than 99% of corporations have. Would you rather see that attitude perish, or the ``nothing to see folks, business as usual, oh shit'' approach die?
Funny, I seem to recall something about free downloads, something else about paying their developers to fix code used by you (and in other distros), and lots of other generous moves, including that their base distro is (except for Navigator) 100% Open Source and nearly 100% GPL.
They did. It was one of the calculated risks that they took. They didn't say ``let's make a buck out of Linux'', they said ``let's produce a good Linux distro and if we make a buck as well, great!'' They're only in trouble now because their previous management team ignored the corporate spirit and started pushing them towards standard DotCom stupidity. And were fired for it. I say support them not because they're a business venture but because they do so much for Linux in perticular, and Free software in general; and because they're a flagship of sorts. If they go down, it will cause some serious finger-pointing among the enemies of Free software and Linux.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I haven't done this yet (I don't have an NVidia card), but yast2 allows you to install the drivers off the nvidia site while running YOU (YaST Online Update).
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A friend of mine got Counter-Strike to work under his Mandrake 8.1. You need to compile wine with openGL, as explained on http://lhl.linuxgames.com/howto.shtml. (second howto) Hope it works for you (I didn't try it myself).
I think Mandrake is the best Linux distro than Ever.
SuSE is a flawfull German Distro : It sticks, like Redhat or Slackware because they are American distros (Everybody knows that American are stupids and Mindless).
French brought culture, revolution and good food.
So I thin Mandrake will bring a real OS. SuSE , Redhat Sux. Enjoy Mandrake...
It did not work at all for me (couldn't find the network card or CD ROM), and I know I wasn't the only person to have had this experience.
Two things have given me the push to nuke Win2k and install 8.2 when it comes out. First is Crossover plugin which lets me read Word documents and run Windows Media Player. The second is my friend has installed Counter-Strike directly onto ext2 and has it running full speed under WINE. Here is how it is done.
Phillip.
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