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Mandrake, SuSE Ready New Releases
Anthony Boyd writes: "At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th. And of course, SuSE Linux 8.0 is going to be released in mid-April. Features for SuSE appear to include KDE 3.0 and a whole lot of games. Features for Mandrake appear to be a super small install and, well, stability. Sounds great to me."
I guess I will have to give mandrake another try.. last time I tried a kernel upgrade it didn't like me too much, although I think that was more my fault than theirs... Well, good thing I don't actually keep stuff that I use long term only on one partition, since the new versions come out in two days, although with their current financial situation, I think I will buy 8.2 instead of my usual download
Several folks where I work have been testing the Mandrake 8.2 beta releases, and they're uniformly reporting that things are much better than 8.1 release. Personally, I'd rather buy a Mandrake box than go the donation route, but either way, you should be getting great value for your money.
Kinda offtopic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any links to some nice games for Linux. I've been playing LBreakout2 non-stop, but other than that (and of course Q2), I've yet to find any nice games that I like.
This isn't a troll or anything, I'm genuinely wondering if anyone has suggestions.
We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade.
Im getting my new p4 system ready, i just trow to the trash my winmodem and got a new shiny one (56k crap anyway :\), so im ready to take off... It will be nice to start with new Mandrake and KDE3.
By the way, you are the experts, whats your experience with nvidia video cards on linux?, i have a geforce3.
Sigs are for morons... Wait a minute...
I don't know about that. I thought they were getting another Release Candidate ready because there were a few known bugs in RC1.
Well, check their changlog, you should know what they are doing now.
I rather be free in hell than a slave in heaven.
It still is the easier diestro for starters, its still free, still give they source away, still ask for help to the community and help the community, i dont think its evil on any way... Of course it has some errors but its the perfect linux desktop, if you want a server or a 99.99% runtime system then install OpenBSD, Mandrake is a great step on friendly linux.
Sigs are for morons... Wait a minute...
I have problem with GeForce 2 with View Sonic LCD monitor (connected with DVI input). Installed Mandrake 8.0, it even listed my monitor in settings. But it obviusly could not sync to my monitor. I did not even think DVI can have sync problem, after all it is DIGITAL! NVidia drivers did not help either. After spending a day I fixed this by removing XConfig-4, and tweaking old config file. Tried installing Mandrake 8.1 later - still not good.
So now I type this on XP, sorry.
But if you have non-LCD monitor, you should be safe.
MSDOS: 20+ years without remote hole in the default install
At pclinuxonline.com, they are running an uncomfirmed story that Mandrake 8.2 will be released on March 18th.
Glad slashdot got the scoop before the Washington Post or the New York Times.
I'm trying to be funny sarcastic, not mean sarcastic, so nobody get too upset.
I can see announcing new releases, though I think slashdot goes overboard on that, but announcing RUMORS of a possible release? I mean, you'd think people were waiting for the new mandrake like it was a necessary transplant organ...
Can anyone confirm/deny that it will be a later release? I have high hopes for using it as the daily OS on my iBook.
The best feature about Mandrake 8.1 is that it took about half the time to install as Windows 2000 and was probably the easiest install for linux. This may not seem like much for computer geeks (the slashdot crowd), but it is vital for getting linux on more personal desktops. If linux is ever going to survive in its current form, it needs to be a viable competitor with Microsoft. I can only hope that Mandrake 8.2 continues the trend of the other Mandrakes before it.
Are there any status reports on Red Hat releases like a beta?
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Ricky, have you checked these two Web sites yet?
Linux Games
The Linux Game Tone
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
Suse wouldnt boot? Or you couldnt boot Suse?
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
Buying the box means mandrake makes less money
if all you want is a free manual and a nice looking box, maybe you can find a printer
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
Why can't Mandrake wait another month for a release so it can include both KDE 3 and GNOME 2? Good thing about having a recent distro for me is it means less software to upgrade after a fresh install, but Mandrake 8.2 looks old before it's even out (Evolution 1.01, Apache 1.3.22, etc). True, a lot of the time it doesn't matter, but the bleeding edge is one reason why I enjoy Mandrake.
WTF are you talking about. If your accusations are true, please provide simple, clear, examples without the longwinded rant.
What did they do? Give Dates, Give Details, and reserve your long winded opinions...... Let us judge them on the evidence. If what you say is true, SHOW US!!!
&*(&$*(!&#@*!(#!@ Get to your frigging point! point to the exact things MandrakeSoft did, dates, specifics.
All you have done is rant about "how evil they are" and to justify you say "because they did bad stuff." Yet you don't define evil, or what bad stuff is...
This is a TOTAL TROLL. Redeem yourself, POST SOME ACTUAL INFORMATION rather than your ranting opinions. PLEASE. Or your will fall into an all time looser troll catagory.
I guess the thing to remember is: if it works, don't fsck with it.ask urself if the upgrade is really worth it? sure, security upgrade are damn important, but otherwise, its often better to stick with what u'v tweaked to work properly and wait for a _major_ new release to upgrade (unless, of course, ur running debian, where upgrades are easy and painless)
"I think it would be a good idea" Gandhi, on Western Civilisation
This is just how Linux works. The froddy Mandrugs and SuXe distro's may have managed to hide this fact from users because most of them were first time users anyway. Mandrugs and SuXe will have to come to terms with the rigor required to support their installed base. The underlying fragility of the Linux system lies ever more exposed.
Pushin' 'n dealin', shovin' 'n stealin'
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I have never tried Suse, and only installed Mandrake once on a laptop in hopes of getting it to recognize a pcmcia card (it didn't), so maybe I'm not making much sense here, but it seems to me that these two distros are battling each other for the "European KDE-leaning user-friendlyish financially-faltering" distro. Wouldn't closer collaboration on their parts be beneficial, to avoid redundancies in installers/configurators/packages/etc? I know their packaging schemes are different, and they probably have minor differences in their file system organization, but they may be able to achieve fairly substantial cost savings by cooperating more and each distributing their own "branded" versions.
Neither do those that made netscape communicator. Nor mozilla. Or of any other web browser (n.b.: exploder is not a browser...). I think that should settle the question "who's at fault".
Say no to software patents.
I don't have a credit card and I don't have a CD burner so I just buy from WalMart. Its actually conveniant that way. I get quality Free Software for like twenty bucks. Otherwise I would probably waste that money on five milk shakes in the course of a week.
Does it help Mandrake? I don't know what their situation is. I buy software because I like it.
Strange idea, isn't it?
I have been using SuSE since 5.3 and I guess I will buy this upgrade as well, better to have everything on my hard drive then need to download many upgrades over a dial up. I usually copythe SuSE distro cds to my hard drive and have everything available every time I use YaST.Yast2 doesn't like the installation from hard drive but YaST has no problems with it. However, I do want to see what packages have been updated, I guess one of these days I should start with a clean install rather than just upgrade.
>>>please remove "nospam" from email address
List: mandrake-cooker
Subject: [Cooker] 8.2
From: Warly <warly@mandrakesoft.com>
Date: 2002-03-15 18:07:56
[Download message RAW]
I am in the process of building the final 8.2 isos.
These isos will be tested this week-end, and released on Monday if OK.
As a consequence if you find some free minutes this week-end and test all the uploads that have been done today, and report any regression, that would be quite a great help.
--
Warly
The original can be found here.
"Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wuntime ewwors!" - Elmer Fudd
Frozen-bubble was written by Guillaume Cottenceau (spelling of that is almost certainly wrong), one of the Mandrake developers, and is surprisingly addictive. It's kind of like Snood, if you've played that.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
It's not. It went into beta some weeks after the x86 version. I guess they're planning an 8.2-for-Alpha as well, since there is currently an Alpha Cooker around.
If you want a version `optimised' for 386, 486, P3, P4 or Athlon, one of the things Mandrake carefully checked during this Cooker cycle was that Athlon optimisations worked properly, when selected. There is also a new package, rpm-rebuild, which will rebuild the entire distribution from source in one go.
They also timed the release rather well, fielding and dealing with the PHP, OpenSSH and zlib bugs in the 11th hour. It should be one of their best releases, BoC I'm no prophet: only time will tell.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I believe you could mix Mandrake and Debian (urpmi, at heart, doesn't care whether it's based on RPM or PKG), or SuSE and Caldera (for a distro that knows Novell and displays well), and get a much better outcome.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
1. no matter what you do, Linux will not survive in it's current form, and that's a good thing. Linux is a living, growing beastie. It has no current form, at least not for more than a week.
2. Linux doesn't need or want to compete with Microsoft, certainly not head on. If you focus on beating your competitors, the best you can possibly do is slightly better than them, and who wants to aim so low?
3. What Linux wants to do is its own thing, and do it so well that Microsoft will die of natural causes. IRL, Linux doesn't care about Microsoft all that much. Linux will continue press on without publicity, without major funding, without lawyers, without distributors as such. That's how Linux was born, that's how Linux will live, and when its turn comes, that's how Linux will die.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Do either of them include GCC 3.x?
I ask because it is especially difficult to upgrade from gcc 2.x, I don't want to recompile every C++ program...
I like being able to edit files to customize the compilation (no Gnome-core-libs-bloat? no problem. know I don't want kde/kdelibs? no problem.) and only installing what I want on my system - all of em in their cpu-optimized goodness.
I was using Sorcerer/Sorcery/Lunar-Penguin (aka, the "let's have a battle of egos and fork like there's no tomorrow" distros), until they factioned and started having all the stupid in-fighting; now I went with the solid, founded, Gentoo - a little extra time with set up and editing files, but worth the effort.
-- oodabadabaY
its called dependencies
Cooker is in deep freeze at the moment, so if you don't mind doing an ftp install, you can get 8.2 right now. You might have to update a few rpm's later. I'ts probably more than my life's worth to say *where* you can get it on /. though. BTW, KDE in 8.2 is *much* faster than in 8.1.
Full plate and packing steel! -Minsc
ummm.... Slack who ?
My company has different billing and shipping addresses and yet, unlike other companies, they only have room for one address. I emailed them, they said enter the shipping address, which doesn't work because then the credit card authorization will fail. I gave up.
Saturday the file sizes and dates changed on some of the mirrors for Mandrake RC1. Upon downloading, and installing, it appears that this is the final. I grabbed mine here here
btw: It looks great!
Select a spaceship and travel to places where no man has ever been: the exciting real-time simulation shows you the planets and other objects of our solar system in high resolution and from any angle.
Wow, so it takes years to go see Pluto? I'm not sure I have that kind of dedication.
One of the games with SuSE is Open Universe. Boy, those open-source zealots are really thinking big these days... what's next after the universe?
The current Red Hat beta is Pensacola. Most recent update was about a week ago.
a co la
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/pens
Be kind and use a local mirror site.
Check your local full Red Hat mirror for Pensacola, the most recent Red Hat beta. Roswell is what became 7.2. Pensacola is what will become either 7.3 or 8.0.
ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/pensacola
Be kind and use a mirror.
I have a .ac.uk connection and would really like SUSE linux 8.0 when it arrives but I cannot really afford to buy it. Why can't i download the full cd set? I dont need the extra support from buying it
I donated some money a while back when I downloaded mandrake 8.1. As a consequence I was made a member of their club. I didn't have to do anything beyond donate the money.
So now they have a drive for people to subscribe to the club in order to get money from donations. However, since I am already in the club, and I do not want to donate the $60 a year for the lowest donation bracket, I was looking for another way to donate. (I'm a cheap student.)
Last time I donated I had the ability to say "I want my money to be applied towards project X," where project X was things like i18n, KDE, etc. I haven't been able to find a place on their web pages where I can donate in this same way, an amount that I want to. Can somebody point me to where I can donate without re-signing up for their club?
Thanks.
FYI SuSE has been a profitable business in Germany since about when Mandrake was only an idea in it's creators heads...
check their website for information.
If only one linux distro survives, I'll place my bets on them...
Quentin
Mandrake will not try and release Gnome2 and KDE3, since they have learnt from their mistake with shipping KDE2 with 7.2. This instead will be a rock-solid release, and since Star Office 6.0 will only be released in late April/early May, there is not point in waiting for it. Instead, however, you can get an OpenOffice 641c build (but better than the SUN-compiled versions since it is compiled with gcc 3.0.4, ie the Insert->Frame bug is not there in the Mandrake RPMs), working out-the-box (no ./setup -net to do) with multi-lingual builds and multi-lingual spell-checking (see the myspell-(lang) RPMs.
silly user, TuxRacer and Chromium have been in the games package since 7.2.
long live the HURD!!!!!
oh wait....
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms,
C'mon... unless they're marking the price up 10x in the U.K. compared to U.S. prices, I can't believe you can't scrape up the equivalent of $29 to buy a boxed set to support the company when you can afford a broadband connection. That's pathetic.
You don't use science to show that you're right, you use science to become right.
Is there *any* clear way to install rawhide via FTP? I know that it's not guaranteed, it may blow up my machine etc. etc., but it would be nice to have a way to do a fresh install of it (I tried using the hdinstall.img from 7.2 & making my own FTP directory, that doesn't seem to work). Any ideas?
Setting up Linux on my laptop was kind of a bear. A few releases ago, I tried to upgrade (update? I can't remember what it's called) from a previous version of Mandrake, and my whole system was trashed so badly I had to reinstall from scratch.
Anybody had any luck with this recently, or should I just reinstall from scratch again?
Instead of being so smug, perhaps you should help 'enlighten' we non-Debian and non-Slackware users as to WHY you're so strong in your support? Rather than just look down your nose at us, _tell us_ *WHY* you use Debian or Slackware.
Your attitude is precisely what keeps people away from Linux. Like that of a petulant 12 year old who won't share his toys. "Mine's better, and no, you can't play with it, and no, I won't tell you why it's better."
Sheesh.
"If there's hope, it lies in the proles..."
ArmageTron rocks. IT's a multi-player 3D tron game. It's like snake running as a kernel module. I did an lsmod and found this:
Module Size Used by Tainted: P
keybdev 1856 0 (unused)
mousedev 4160 1
ac97_codec 9568 0 [maestro3]
snakeengine 2317 0 (armagetrondev)
armagetrondev 2317 0 (unused)
lp 6464 0
usb-uhci 21668 0 (unused)
usbcore 51232 1 [hid usbmouse usb-uhci]
ne2k-pci 5120 1 (autoclean)
8390 6416 0 (autoclean) [ne2k-pci]
tuner 8580 1 (autoclean)
tvaudio 10080 0 (autoclean) (unused)
bttv 59776 0
videodev 4896 3 [bttv]
i2c-algo-bit 7244 1 [bttv]
i2c-core 13568 0 [tuner tvaudio bttv i2c-algo-bit]
ide-scsi 8032 0
scsi_mod 92488 3 [sd_mod sr_mod ide-scsi]
rtc 5912 0 (autoclean)
I'm using Mandrake 8.2 beta3 now, and I'm buying the box set at Walmart if its there. I'll never open it, but I'll probably never throw it away.
Everyone should go to Walmart on the release date of these distros and request that Walmart has enough copies in stock for you and all your friends.
Actually, there's no KDE 3 beta there, just KDE-2.2.2. But there's quite a bit more than what's on ftp.slackware.com that I'm testing, but that hasn't quite gelled enough for public beta release. That's coming though, and pretty much everything has gotten a complete overhaul. Expect good things soon.
Take care,
Pat
Except you can play with both Debian and Slackware to find out for yourself. Debian and Slackware are more stable because of the standards set by developers on themselves, etc. There's no real reason to explain "why" they're stable, that's not the point. They just /are/ stable.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
I do my install only once in a while (usually when I get a new system, every two years.)
So for me, it's not important if I spend 1, 2, 3 hours to get the bits and pieces moved from one medium to the other. Beside the install usually goes smoothly without me sitting in front of the machine (I start it before calling a friend and chatting for 3 hours.) The longest part is to download the iso images so what it is I would gain if it installed in half the time if the files are up to 20 hours to download?
-- I feel better now. Thanks for asking.
Why is everyone so set on useing Redhat, Mandrake, or SuSE? Have we forgotten the old ways of slackware or other "old-school" distributions? What about freeBSD? One of the things us linux users are against is the way microsoft makes everything so easy... But thats exactally what we are allowing ourselvs to use when we choose Redhat, Mandreake, or SuSE... Just something to think about...
Should I try something different? I'd hate to relearn the boot system (/etc/rc.d) AGAIN, I already did that once when I switched from Slackware to Redhat. I might be a programmer, but I ain't no sysadmin and it would be nice not to have to f*ck with 99% of the system just to get things the way I want them...
It's ease of use, simple installation and friendly package system. I compile almost every application from sources, and I use Slackware's base A B and N packages on my system, then I go a head and install anything else I need.
You may be surprised but I'm actually a very helpful person when the new user comes in with his Red Hat or Mandrake problems. I do my part in the community, I hang out on dal.net in #linux (nickname: notaku) and help people who don't know how to mount their vfat partition, see their IP address, enable IP MASQ, and encourage people to compile their own programs.
I help people use fdisk
The abundance of users that come in and ask questions are Mandrake or red hat users, they wait until KDE 3.9.4 is released with the new version of Mandrake because they either:
can't download and install it their self
or is unfamiliar on how to compile a program.
My major gripes with Mandrake are these recent "give me money" talks. What do they need money for? To make their software more easy? Many projects out there do just this and never ask for donations. What are they doing wrong? Why can they not be like red hat who is currently not following Loki's route.
Slackware is however, a prime example of this. Slackware lost funding to it's project, and asked for donations, I would of donated but I felt the 39$ I spent back in 1997 covered my cost. I did my part in the community, I don't depend on Slackware to release a new version every time some Core program gets updated, and I hope others stop to put a burden on their Distributors as well.
Why do I like Slackware?
Slackware is Great.
I'm a big retard who forgot to log out of Slashdot on Mike's computer! LOOK AT ME.
There's no mention on it's details webpage about the release... anyone know?
So tell them. They're the kind of company which is prone to fixing things like that; they're not Microsoft. When the donate link first went up, it was on the front page. They moved it to a more obscure location at the request of their business partners. They've turned to the community before calling it quits, which takes more guts and frankness than 99% of corporations have. Would you rather see that attitude perish, or the ``nothing to see folks, business as usual, oh shit'' approach die?
Funny, I seem to recall something about free downloads, something else about paying their developers to fix code used by you (and in other distros), and lots of other generous moves, including that their base distro is (except for Navigator) 100% Open Source and nearly 100% GPL.
They did. It was one of the calculated risks that they took. They didn't say ``let's make a buck out of Linux'', they said ``let's produce a good Linux distro and if we make a buck as well, great!'' They're only in trouble now because their previous management team ignored the corporate spirit and started pushing them towards standard DotCom stupidity. And were fired for it. I say support them not because they're a business venture but because they do so much for Linux in perticular, and Free software in general; and because they're a flagship of sorts. If they go down, it will cause some serious finger-pointing among the enemies of Free software and Linux.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I haven't done this yet (I don't have an NVidia card), but yast2 allows you to install the drivers off the nvidia site while running YOU (YaST Online Update).
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A friend of mine got Counter-Strike to work under his Mandrake 8.1. You need to compile wine with openGL, as explained on http://lhl.linuxgames.com/howto.shtml. (second howto) Hope it works for you (I didn't try it myself).
It did not work at all for me (couldn't find the network card or CD ROM), and I know I wasn't the only person to have had this experience.
Two things have given me the push to nuke Win2k and install 8.2 when it comes out. First is Crossover plugin which lets me read Word documents and run Windows Media Player. The second is my friend has installed Counter-Strike directly onto ext2 and has it running full speed under WINE. Here is how it is done.
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
Haven't seen this here so...e .php
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/82announc