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Mandrake 8.2 Available
Jester998 writes "Linux Mandrake 8.2 is out! Check out the official
annoucement
or head off to your closest mirror to grab the ISO images.
The release is bound to be amazing, with the return of kernel-secure, a 65MB minimum install, hotplug device support, encrypted filesystems and more!"
not that redhat 7.2 is bad , it's nice .. but really dated... they still only allow up2date go to 4.2.9 while 4.2.17 was out for mostly forever and super stable, and now 4.2.18 is even better (I can use my internal Jaz scsi again!!!!) but no.. redhat users are still crippled with running 4.2.9.
I was very impressed with the 8.2 betas... time to throw this puppy into the production environment!
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
A portrait of the Mandrake user from a collection of Linux User Caricatures:
This chap (baby) is the new distro on the market(compared to the others anyway). He is always seen as a new lunix user hence the baby look, and the distro is regarded as one best for beginners to learn who might be migrating from windows to linux.
I was tinkering around and thought "Oh! MDK 8.2 should be available..." So I cruised over to /. and saw nothing there "Great!" methinks, I may be ahead of the flood.
/.?
/.'ing
So I started downloading. @ ~350KBPS, my usual best rate... This has been slowing and I can't figure why other than..... Did that @#$%!%! post something on
Yup, story is posted.... sites are
*sigh*
b
Why not wait a couple of hours before slashdotting it?
Mandrake is a very good distro for the beginner and advanced user alike. I have tried several and this is definitely my favorite. This install is really great and warns you if you are installing anything that is a potential security risk. If you haven't tried it, what are you waiting for?
"Da ist ein Technölüst in mein Unterpanten!"
You can also get your copy of Mandrake from the download site that is available to people belonging to the Mandrake club.
Its a fast download and there is additional software available there. i.e. commercial packages.
At $60.00 per year its a great value!
The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
Czech Republic
ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/ Mandrake/iso/
France
ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/ linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Lyon)
ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/iso/ (Nancy)
Germany
ftp:// ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mandrake/iso / (Esslingen)
Iceland
ftp://ftp.mbl.is/pub/mandrake/ iso/ (Reykjavik)
Italy
ftp://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)
http://bo.mirror. garr.it/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bologna)
Slovakia
ftp://hq. alert.sk/pub/linux/distributions/mandrake/iso/
ftp://spirit. profinet.sk/mirrors/Mandrake/iso/ (Bratislava)
Taiwan
ftp://mdk.linux.org.tw/ pub/mandrake/iso/
United States
ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/m andrake/Mandrake/iso/ (North Carolina)
ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributi ons/mandrake/iso/ (Georgia)
ftp://ftp.math. utah.edu/pub/linux/Mandrake/iso/ (Utah)
ftp://mirror.mcs.anl. gov/pub/Mandrake/iso/ (Illinois)
--
"Just believe everything I tell you, and it will all be very, very simple."
Buy them. Mandrake needs the cash.
I've decided to mispell one or more words in all my correspondence. If you don't like it then don't read it.
Since Mandrake is blocking the slashdot link in the story, here's a mirror.
Mandrake Linux 8.2: Solid server, Friendly desktop.
Altadena, CA - March 18th 2002 - MandrakeSoft is proud to introduce Mandrake Linux 8.2 as the most feature-rich, multi-purpose Linux operating system ever made available to the public. This new version of our flagship product combines the power and flexibility of a full-featured Linux server with the simplicity and elegance of well designed graphical user interfaces.
Mandrake Linux 8.2 is the best "all-in-one" solution for saving time and money with personal computers: installation couldn't be easier with our world-famous graphical installer, and no post-configuration hassles means that your Mandrake system is immediately ready for work. Depending on your requirements, Mandrake 8.2 can be installed either as a full-featured & powerful Linux server, or as a highly productive personal workstation.
New server features include the ability to use an encrypted filesystem for protecting sensitive data; "kernel-secure" adds important security features to the default Linux kernel; and an "Enterprise" kernel delivers SMP (Symmetric Multi Processing) and Hi-memory support (above 1024 MB) for high-end servers. Mandrake Linux 8.2 also introduces a quick and efficient way to set up printers and scanners; a new file sharing feature for easily sharing files and directories in a networked environment; and improved "hot-plug" support that lets users install new devices quickly and painlessly without having to reboot the system. A new remote desktop utility, RFBdrake, is extremely useful for controlling machines remotely within a LAN or securely through the Internet.
New desktop features include a completely redesigned Mandrake Control Center that serves as a central location for Mandrake-specific tools and utilities, as well as many new configuration wizards. Desktop users will appreciate the task-oriented menus in GNOME and KDE which greatly simplify locating applications by categorizing them into common "tasks".
MandrakeFirstTime is an easy-to-use wizard that helps setup a desktop environment (KDE, GNOME, etc.), choose a theme and configure email settings. DrakNet, the Internet connection and network utility, efficiently helps users configure all types of network connections, from common dial-up modems to DSL and cable connections.
The reworked version of MSEC, a utility for configuring the security level of a machine (Standard, High, Highest, Paranoid) is more powerful than ever. Also included are the latest stable versions of KDE and GNOME which both offer some great new features and applications such as anti-aliased fonts and Evolution (an Outlook-like email client and personal information manager). StarOffice 6.0 is included with the ProSuite and PowerPack Editions.
"With version 8.2, Mandrake Linux proves that it is the ultimate Linux experience. This new release is the result of our four year commitment to providing the best operating system ever. Mandrake Linux has long been the preferred Linux distribution for individuals, but Mandrake 8.2 marks a new step in our penetration of the corporate environment. The features and unparalleled ease of use make 8.2 an incredibly efficient and affordable alternative to UNIX and Windows 2000" said Jacques Le Marois, CEO of MandrakeSoft.
Core System Components
* Kernel 2.4.18
* Improved Firewire support
* Support for USB2, ECC memory, i830 DRM, ATA133, Geforce3
* XFree86 4.2 provides 3D acceleration for many video cards previously only supported in 3.3.6
* Glibc 2.2.4
Software and Applications
* Apache 1.3.23
* PHP 4.1.2
* MySQL 3.23.47
* PostgreSQL 7.2
* Sendmail 8.12.1
* Postfix 20010228
* Staroffice 6.0 is the latest version of the famous Office Suite that boasts integrated creativity and productivity tools, improved interoperability with Microsoft Office files, support for XML file formats, and improved international support.
* Evolution 1.02 is a full-featured personal information manager and advanced E-mail client. Evolution provides the best features in its class.
* KDE 2.2.2 (KDE 3.0 RC2 is also provided as an alternative desktop for users who enjoy the bleeding edge) and GNOME 1.4.1 -- Enjoy the latest versions of these popular desktop environments. KDE 2.2.2 includes a new print system which has been integrated with PrinterDrake; GNOME 1.4.1 includes Evolution to closely match the features and look of MS-Outlook.
Mandrake Linux 8.2 is currently available for x86 processors, and will soon also be available for the PPC platform.
To find out more about Mandrake Linux 8.2, please visit
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/82.php3
Pre-orders are now being accepted for the Mandrake Linux 8.2 ProSuite and PowerPack Editions at
http://www.MandrakeStore.com
Or download your copy today at http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3
Mandrake Club members are entitled to download proprietary drivers and commercial software for 8.2:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/
About MandrakeSoft
MandrakeSoft provides a trusted interface between users of information technology and open source developers. The company offers its enterprise, government and educational customers a set of GNU Linux and Open-Source software and related services, and user-friendly and highly competitive information technologies. In addition, MandrakeSoft offers technologists committed to open software and courseware a trusted channel to offer their services.
The company has technologists in over 20 countries, and is traded on Paris Euronext Marché Libre (Euroclear code: 4477.PA; Reuters code: MAKE.PA) and the US OTC market (stock symbol MDKFF). "Born on the Internet" in late 1998, MandrakeSoft established headquarters in the U.S.A., Montreal, England, Germany and France. Please visit the Web site, http://www.mandrakesoft.com for more information.
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I have to say I'm really impressed by how MandrakeSoft, a small and rather fragile company, is keeping on going its own way. They prefer doing more efforts in building and improving a dream OS everyday, keeping the right open source software way, and they try to avoid laying offs by requesting financial contributions of its users (see the Mandrake Club announcement). I don't know what this company is going to become in the next ten years but really, Mandrake Linux and MandrakeSoft are more exciting product and company than Red Hat or SuSE!
uhm.... the release announcement mentions the inclusion of Star Office 6.0 in the "power pack" edition, but a glance at http://www.sun.com/staroffice seems to indicate that this hasn't even been released yet? I wonder if this means Sun will be doing the final release soon?
The Free desktop that Just Works
Nope - that directory had the rc1 files in it try this directory instead - it looks like the real deal.
Sorry,
Derek
between the chair and keyboard
"i can never say no to anyone but you"
Does anyone know how easy it is to replace a redhat install with a Mandrake one? I'm using Redhat (rawhide) at the moment, but would like to give Mandrake ago.
New Features
Including what will soon be my favorites:
New installation features include the ability to download and install updates at install time
new wizard-oriented rescue mode
redesigned and polished Mandrake Control Center
DiskDrake now supports an encrypted filesystem
Improved URPMI (apt-like package manager) and Software Manager
Rfbdrake - remotely control an X session.
New minimal (65 meg) installation mode, which installs nothing but the base system
Also mentions that StarOffice 6.0 is included, although It doesn't say, I'm sure it's probably the Beta.
Worth Mentioning:
Kernal 2.4.18
Improved Firewire, USB2, ATA133
Looking Good Mandrake!
Keep up the great work!
Please wait five or six hours before downloading it. I am already downloading it now, and I don't want all you pushing in before I have fininshed. Thanks everyone!
When are we going to get a nice little "cached" (ala Google) link under a story that takes us to a version cached locally on slashdot's servers. Items in the cache could easily expire after only a day(or even a couple hours). Salshdot's readers would appreciate this as would the poor IT people in charge of the oft-slashdotted servers...
Not that I can use the default one (I need LDAP built-in, which afaik the rpm doesn't have), but it would be nice for them to be running something newer, like, say Postfix 1.1 which came out in mid January. There's been a lot of refinements since then.
The one thing I never liked (don't know if they still do it, but it was done this way in 8.1) is the way that they take large pakages (such as KDE) and put all of the files in non-standard (according to KDE, I suppose) directories. There's no /opt/kde2, everything is dispersed around the system... /usr/share/kde2/lib, etc...
./configure --prefix=/usr/blah --bindir=blah blah. Does it have to be this way??
While I suppose that this is the "right" way to do it in one sense, it makes adding in other KDE software (whether compiling or what not) very difficult.
You've got to do some nasty configure black-magic like
I am very impressed with the tools that they are inlcuding in this release. The best is the ability to RIGHT-CLICK on a folder and then LEFT-CLICK on SHARE!!!
That is the greatest feature to add to Linux. The medium sized computer manufacturer that I work for is very interested in being able to use Linux in their Server products. Since most of their technical staff and clients have no interest in learning how to configure Samba, this will be a great help.
Now, all they will have to do is have me or a few of the other techs, go by the machines, or SSH into them to update them on occasion.
Mandrake is truly bringing Linux to the masses.
With this one feature, the market share and thus the potential number of commercial products for Linux can and hopefully will increase dramatically.
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.sig seperator
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If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
This is a good reason to have /home as a separate partition :) In any case, backing up home is easy if you have a place to stick the tarball. /home should give you a nice backup that preserves ownership and permissions to stick somehwere...
/opt, /home, and /usr/local are the key htings I keep around when I upgrade. I also have extra software installs and multimedia files, but I keep those on the file server, and there it is also kept separate from the partitions the distro gets to screw with (and on a RAID array).
tar czvf home.tar.gz
Don't need a GUI for something that straightforward...
I personally keep all data that I want persistant accross installs on non-root partitions:
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Yes, I know of several root/boot rescue disks,
but a disk made specifically for Mandrake might be more useful & user friendly.
Floppies are unreliable, slow, and don't hold much.
Include something like Symmantec Ghost for easy backups
Include CDRW support and USB2/firewire support for those new external burners and hard-drives.
Stupid idea? - I'd pay extra for it.
What's everybody else think?
So what's a big problem with Slashdotted ISO releases??? To quote MC Hammer: Hammer time. Those poor distros get nailed so hard that you can't get to an ISO at a reasonable speed for a week. And companies like Mandrake really need all the support they can get. It's great product and I'm sure they have to pay for massive bandwidth with ISO releases (even with all the mirrors from edu sites and the like). Looks like we need a p2p distribution system a la fasttrack network that allows multiple downloads from multiple hosts so that we can waterfall these ISO's. I just hope someday it will be implemented (and more importantly: used by the masses).
---- The geek shall inherit the Earth.
For all those saying how nice a product this is and how you are downloading the ISO's as you type, something to consider...
Right on Mandrake's site is what I would call a plea, and what otehrs would call begging for money.
"Mandrake Linux distribution's short-term future is in jeopardy due to a simple factor: money"
So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's to help support this company and make sure there is another release in the future.
I saw someone else say this earlier, but it got modded up to 2 as Funny... I don't know why buting the CD's to support a company in financial trouble is funny though.
I'm new to the whole Linux thing. I've been downloading the latest iso's of the various distros. Once I find one that suits me, I plan to pay.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Uh, I think that's supposed to be OpenOffice. Oops.
Of course, Mandrake needs the cash...
But when you buy a box, specially in stores, there's only a small portion of your cash that goes to the developers. Manufacturing, packaging, shipping, support, distributor's and retailer's margins take the major part of the revenue.
When you subscribe to the Club, you make sure the cash will be spent directly on the Mandrake Linux open-source development, you have access to all the software, including commercial applications, and a lot of Club privileges.
Besides, the boxes won't be available until a few weeks, so join the club and you can download everything today.
"mainly because alternate OSs are cool."
oh no, please God no.
I hate the people who only like bands because they're underground. I was talking to a guy about the Strokes the other day and he said "yeah I saw 'em a few times and I really liked them, but then vanity fair started writing about them, so forget that."
you should like something or use something because *it works for you* not because it is "alternative" or "underground" or anything else. If windows is working for you, then don't switch to Linux because it's "cool." switch to Linux because it's a better product.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
IMHO of course. Actually Mandrake is great. There's no such thing as the "best" distro, whatever works for you. I think SuSE is getting limited acknowledgment 'cause you can't download the ISO's. It is free to copy and you can install via ftp if you'd like. SuSE's YOU (Yast Online Update) and Yast package manager seem far easier to newbie's than Mandrake's equivalent. (haven't tried urpmi, which looks good). You can get SuSE Pro version for $49 bucks including the full DVD and 8 CD's if you buy the "update" version (full without manuals). Some may still prefer Mandrake, but really TRY SuSE. It'll surprise you. I know quite a few Windows "power user" discussion boards where people try Mandrake (as of 8.1) and come back swearing off linux for good. These are the same people that change winXP themes twice a day. SuSE is just easier to get going in 3D gaming (if you've got nvidia at least), make online system updates (as easy as windows updating) and 8.0 comes with KDE3. I've been running KDE3 beta 2 on my 7.3 PC since its release and I'm amazed at how quick and stable it is. If SuSE actually tries to start requiring licenses (mentioned online somewhere today) than I'll be bailing the distro pretty quickly though. Until then I've found my linux distro.
OK, I'm already known for being a guy who tells it ilke it is.
.rc's.
I've been a linux user since 1995, cutting my teeth on Slackware 2. Since then I have seen linux evolve, grow, change directions and broaden it's horizons.
Here's the lowdown on Mandrake: I thoroughly believe that Mandrake Linux is the single most balanced distrubution available. I have used it for enterprise-scale web servers, for applications development, and even for an experimental wireless data-retrieval system in peru (the very complete internationalization of the Mandrake distro made it the ideal candidate, as well as it's ability to scale down MUCH smaller that I could ever get a red-hat system)
It's also dandy as a day-to-day desktop workstation.
However, It has it's caveats, like any distro. It's still too large. I'd like to see what you get with a 65 meg install. If it's got internationalization and a functional x-server as well as some basic ncurses-type config tools, I may end up switching from my own LFS system (weighing in at about 90 megs right now.) Also, like redhat, the configuration tools are a little too complex. If they decide to switch to ONE config manager and ONE only, that doesen't mess with your own customizations, I'll finally start using them. As it is, I don't install any of them, and I edit all files by hand, a-la slackware. However, if you're a newbie, all the drak* tools are VERY well done and perform in a fairly straightforward manner, as long as you're not getting jiggy with the
I must admit, I have a soft spot for Debian, especially as it's going to inherit the HURD, and apt is soooo schweet, but give rpm-drak a try. I hope you won't be disappointed.
Other than that, well, I'd encourage anybody who believes in supporting an excellent distro to go out and buy a copy, or Subscribe. It's going to be worth the money.
I'm done with sigs. Sigs are lame.
What is this obsession with downloading and burning these huge ISO's? All that bandwidth that gets consumed, yet how many of the programs in the image sit idle and never used? Since I recently converted from Mandrake to Debian, I've got to say, I've turned against the idea of having ISOs. With a fast internet connection, it's so much easier and quicker to just download the boot disk and then just download during setup what you really need. The only useful purpose that I see to ISO's is for creating CDs for people without a good connection, or if you're going to have multiple installs.
(Slightly OT) The problem with the i830M often lies in the vendor bios. A good summary of a potential solution (and further problems) is the linux w/ the dell c400:
http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/linux/c400.html
Hope this helps.
-Sean
Have a look at the latest Netcraft survey, and look for Apache-AdvancedExtranetServer.
That's Mandrake's optimized version of Apache, in use by more than 75,000 web servers, more than Domino or Stronghold (Redhat's secure server).
So it might be the best one for beginners, but it's used on a lot of servers too.
If you have RC1 just use cooker and don't download the ISOs. For the next few weeks I guess it will be just bug fixes, not new features that might break so you are probably better off with cooker anyway.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
aahh the catch 22
How many people would of look at Linux at all if it wasn't for the fact that it was "underground"?
Don't get me wrong I agree with you. Sadly, we're in the minority. which to these people makes us cool.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Just last night, I updated the to the 2802 nVidia drivers... and to Mozilla 0.9.8! I could have waited a day... At least I didn't download the 8.1 ISOs last night :-P
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
But, but..
Linux was designed from the beginning, and still is, to be run on lousy hardware. I'm about to set up a Pentium 60MHz firewall/router/log-in-terminal, and I've seen people running that on 386's. By speaking like you, we only get bloatier, bigger and slower software, because "hey, I've got the hardware for it!" But have you ever tried running DOS with Windows 3.11 on a Athlon 1200? Blazingly fast! People knew how to work in Windows 3.11 as well, they just didn't have that kindergarden-look of WinXP. Keep the software small and fast, and the computers will run faster! Linux should run (and does) on Pentium 200s. It even runs fast, if you set it up correctly or use a small, fast distro (think Blackbox, few services - boots in 10 seconds). My favourite server distro in that matter is Trustix - small, fast and it works.
MHO, anyway..
OpenOffice version numbering does not follow this pattern (current OpenOffice version is build 641C).
And StarOffice 6.0 is about to be officially launched (this week or the next). So I think it is really SO 6.0.
Or will that ever happen? HPNA might suck when you compare it to ethernet, but for those of us living in an apartment and having the only widspread outlets being phone outlets, HPNA is perfect. Yes we could run ethernet cable all over the place, but that would be more inconvenience than it's worth. This Mandrake stuff, supposed to be Linux for the home user, should really support Home PNA if they do in fact care about us lowly convenience people...
~ now you know
Uh, running Sid right here with XFree 4.1. Works perfectly. In fact, Sid is a hell of a lot more 'stable' than Mandrake 8.1. I've had several broken packages in 8.1 (especially when I enabled cooker) but I've been using Sid as long as I've used Debian, and not a single problem yet.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
ls -l red* && more mandrake-release
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 16 15:36 redhat-release -> mandrake-release
Mandrake Linux release 8.2 (Bluebird) for i586
A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.
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Guilty
Besides, the boxes won't be available until a few weeks, so join the club and you can download everything today.
Do both. Moving boxes adds to counts of users. Club membership supports development. Support for Mandrake is what counts. Millions support Microsoft and right now, Mandrake poses one of the few threats to the Evil Empire (TM). We need to support them or once again, we'll have no choice.
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.
I think the announcment is a bit misleading...
There is NO Star Office 6.0 officially available - there is open office - without tons of fonts (only the free fonts), no dictionary (not the gnu old dictionary!), and tons of other stuff which is not there. So I think that they bundled a snapshot of Open Office..
Star office 6.0 WILL cost you money! How much? good question, but it won't be available freely for Linux (although you could use Open Office with the limitations I mentioned above).
FYI.
Hetz (Heunique)
During testing, I discovered a bug that's related to the ATA133 patch including in Mandrake's version of the 2.4.18 kernel. If you attempt to install 8.2 with a Promise Ultra TX2 card (the ones packaged with Maxtor ATA133 drives), it will not successfully complete and will destroy your existing installation. I reported this bug on the cooker mailing list and to Mandrake's bugzilla site. It was not fixed before release. Be forewarned and wait for an updated kernel with this bug fixed. Cheers.
I pre-ordered Mandrake 8.2 PowerPack, with manuals this last Sunday.
I just can't wait!
Those are my (more than) 2 cents (to help Mandrake)
Speak for yourself. I'm running RH 7.2 on my production boxes, and am very happy with the overall performance.
:P
Of course, you have to compare the stock 2.4.18 kernel with the highly tweaked 2.4.9 kernel from RH.
P.S. I don't think that the kernel is at 4.x.x yet
FreeBSD beats Mandrake for ease of software upgrades and packages due to the Ports Collection and CVSup.
/etc directory shows Mandrake to be very complicated compared to FreeBSD. Complicated translates to more potential problems and security risks.
Mandrake, though, had an easier install that even Forrest Gump could do.
However, a look at the
I'm a member and they definetely DON'T have it for download.
Go ahead prove me wrong.
..........FULL STOP.
'nuff said
..........FULL STOP.
/. mirroring sites and inserting its own ads would no doubt result in a world of trouble.
Hmmm... perhaps I am wrong, but, /sbin?
/lib and /bin as well.
Isn't init in
Could be a bit hard to run mandrake's init scripts, if init is in a partition that isn't mounted until after init runs and kicks in all the rest.
Probably the same sort of conclusion could be drawn with
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
I've been holding off grabbing any of the release
:/
candiates hoping the zlib, OpenSSH and other
recent security fixes would be incorporated.
I can't find mention of these updates for 8.2 on
the Mandrake announcement site, or forums.
Anyone know if zlib and the gang have been fixed?
My query about this on the Mdk forums was
immediately marked as "-1: Offtopic" suggesting
to me the fixes are not there.
SIGLOST && SIGUNUSED && SIGQUIT
If all of you send me, say, 50 bucks, I will happily give you a collection of free software other people wrote as well...
What about the stuff that you wrote? Or that stuff that you paid to be released as free software? Or how about the hours of packaging and bug testing?
The important thing to reconize is that mandrake FUNDS the software they use in their distro. They fund many programmers to work full time on open source software. They are not a distro that just takes your money for themselves, they help the community.
Doesnt anyone remember their donation to debian also?
Yes, but I said built-in support. When I had 8.1 I had to download things to make it work. When I installed the 8.2BETA I had to click a button and it was (almost) setup. In the 8.2 release, I assume they have the problem fixed and you can just click the button and be done. Hence "built in." If you don't have a dictionary, you can use this one. Or you could actually pay attention to what I wrote before popping off at the mouth. And who says "Fool" anymore, what you think you are Mr. T or something?
"Da ist ein Technölüst in mein Unterpanten!"
Uh.... did you ever bother to realize that several important system utilities are in /bin and /lib? Like... say, /bin/sh - to load your init scripts. or /bin/mount, which happens to mount your partitions?
/lib/ld-linux.so.2....
not to mention that these programs also happen to be dynamically linked (in some cases) to stuff like
It's not "No, no, you don't want to do that!"; it's "Uh... you can't do that." Which is damned right.
-clee
The GPL only means they have to provide source to you (at reasonable media cost) IF YOU BUY their product.
Cheap fucks like you may WISH the GPL guaranteed you a free ride, but it doesn't. They're being nice.
What happened to the download edition that you can buy? That one only cost me about 30 bucks in the store. Now I see that their lowest cost edition cost 60. Are they that low on cash?
Mandrake is the easiest distro there is, if you think Mandrake is hard, you need to upgrade your brain!!!
I mean Mandrake is point and click, if you want to learn a command, man command
If you cant use KDE you most likely cant use Windows therefore you shouldnt be using Linux.
If you use Linux, please help development of Autopac
And no, I am not trolling, this is a serious question.
No, we didn't "broke" Ximian.. Ximian is doing a repackaging of GNOME based on specific version releases.. It is up to them to upgrade to new versions of the distro, not Mandrake..
Considering the fact I'm running the MandrakeClub, how come I don't know anything about it? .-)
No, there are no ISO downloads for users (yet?), we simply don't have enough servers to survive that. MandrakeClub members can download the applications which aren't in the "downlaod edition" from MandrakeClub site, but they have to get the ISOs from the same places as everyone else.
you should like something or use something because *it works for you* not because it is "alternative" or "underground" or anything else.
"Why is 'alternative' the largest section in every record store?"
Wish I could remember where I heard that.
--saint
I'm reminded of an Onion editorial:
"I'm not afraid to try new and popular things"
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Yes, I did have to download the firmware IN ADDITION TO SOME OTHER FILES. You were not there, you do not know what happened. Also, you have COMPLETELY missed the whole point of this conversation. When I (me, my experience, not yours) tried to get it to work in previous distros, it was not a single step procedure. It was a little more involved. Now, with 8.2 it IS a very simple procedure, that will have you up in seconds. I'm not implying that you never got it working in a previous version, I'm sure it could be done. Hell, if I took the time and effort, I could probably make it work on a solar calcuator. My whole point was: Before 8.2 - not so simple an infant could do it; After 8.2 - so simple an infant could do it. I know it was a licensing issue, I had to read that to download it! Now it is more simple, that's all.
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