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Commerce Department Cool to CBDTPA

L. J. Beauregard writes: "Wired reports that the Commerce Department is not too thrilled about S.2048. Commerce Secretary James Rogan claims that 'the DMCA carefully balances the interests of all stakeholders,' a claim that marks him for a corporate whore, but it seems that there are some things even whores won't do."

179 comments

  1. Zionist scheming by Ralph+JewHater+Nader · · Score: -1

    Commerce is the realm of the shadowy kike.

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    1. Re:Zionist scheming by Pr0n+K1ng · · Score: -1

      Congratz on the first post!

      Get it in you!

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      Oh well, back to dowloading pr0n...

      Pr0n K1ng

  2. first by StrandgecK · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    w00t!

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    1. Re:first by diaper_tales · · Score: -1

      get in the oven, you dumb jew.

    2. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      um, go fuck your grandma, beeyotch.

      while yer at it, choke the fucking life outta her... there's a good little pervert!

    3. Re:first by willki · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Time for a lesson on first posts, the /. way....

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      3) make sure you have a clever subject that will get by the Slashdot topic bots. ( "EFF PEE" works well).
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      5) Declare yourself as the greatest, simply on the fact that you have the first post.
      6) Give a count of how many FP's you have.
      7) make sure you include a link to goatse.cx
      Having followed these guidelines, a true first post would look like this:

      FiRsT P0sT!!!!! I rox0r! You all sux0r! This is my 36th FP! Cehck out this page[goatse.cx] I 0wn j00 all!!!!! First post!!!!!!!

    4. Re:first by diaper_tales · · Score: -1

      i love my grandmother. she's a wise and beautiful woman with so much experience, so many stories to share. she was taco_snotting back before television, cars, or mexico had been invented.

    5. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go fuck yourself

    6. Re:first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  3. Ten Rules of Anal Sex (GET IT IN YOU!@#) by diaper_tales · · Score: -1
    1. Anal intercourse is the least practiced form of anal sex.

    There are many ways to enjoy the anus erotically. The most common techniques include touching the anal opening while masturbating or stimulating a partner's anus during intercourse or oral sex.

    Some people enjoy the sensation of a finger - their own or a lover's - insinuated into their anal opening and gently rotated. Others may prefer the insertion of a dildo or vibrator beyond the anal opening and short anal canal into the larger rectum. Many men, including hetereosexuals, prefer this form of penetration.

    Oral-anal lovemaking is popularly known as rimming. The very idea disgusts some people. Others enjoy performing it or allowing themselves to be probed in this special way.

    2. Anal stimulation, including intercourse, is not painful if done properly.

    The belief that anal stimulation, especially intercourse, has to hurt is a persistent and dangerous myth. Just as pain anywhere in the body indicates that something is wrong, so is the same true of the anal area. With its high concentration of nerve endings, the anus can produce extreme agony when it is mistreated. Yet it can be a source of great pleasure.

    When a finger, object or penis is intorduced into the anus, the anal muscles go into spasm, as if fighting off an invasion. Pain will result if the partners do not wait for these muscles to relax. Under sufficient stress they will eventually collapse and the pain subside, unless further damage is done. But, any 'pleasure' afforded from this kind of activity derives mostly from the absence of discomfort.

    Maximum anal pleasure requires the elimination of all pain or physical trauma from the anal experience. Self-protection on the part of the passive partner involves being ready to say "no" until he or she is ready to proceed. Readiness is a combination of physical relaxation, usually helped along by plenty of leisurely anal touching, and desire.

    Occasionally the anal muscles are relaxes, but the passive partner is still not in the mood. Stimulation should mount only in proportion to the degree of receptivity.

    3. Anal sex can be enjoyed even if it has been consistently uncomfortable in the past.

    Sufficient desire alone does not necessarily guarantee pleasurable anal sex. Nor is an uncomfortable previous experience always the reason for a lack of interest in or desire for anal sex.

    Chronic anal tension is the most common cause of anal discomfort during sex. Hemorrhoids and constipation are usually a sign of this condition. Tension can be relieved by touching the anus and becoming more familiar with it. An ideal time to explore the anal opening is while taking a shower or bath. Deep breathing also affects the anal muscles. Tensing the anus and the letting go in another way of learning to relax it. Anyone who enjoys masturbation might want to experiment with some form of anal stimulation, though he or she should stop if any discomfort occurs.

    For many people the turning point in anal sex is when they allow a partner to massage the anus with the understanding that intercourse will not be attempted. Then the recipient of anal caresses can concentrate solely on the pleasure that this erogenous zone is capable of generating.

    4. Two muscle rings called sphincters surround the anal opening. Each functions independently.

    If you insert a finger about one half-inch into your anus and press your fingertip against the side, you can clearly feel the two sphincter muscles. There is less than a quarter-inch between them. The external sphincter is controlled by the central nervous system - just like the muscles of the hand, for example. You can readily tense and relax this sphincter whenever you want.

    The internal sphincter is quite different. This muscle is controlled by the involuntary or autonomic part of the nervous system, which governs such functions as heartbeat and stress response.

    The internal sphincter reflects and responds to fear and anxiety during anal sex. It will cause the anus to tense up automatically even if the passive partner is trying to relax. Thus, precautions about safety and comfort are essential here.

    Even if a person does feel comfortable during anal sex, he or she may still need to learn voluntary control over his or her internal sphincter in order to relax it at will. Doing so requires regularly inserting a finger, perhaps in the shower each day, and feeling the internal sphincter. The muscle changes spontaneously and in response to behavior. In this instance, simply paying attention is more important than trying to relax. Anyone can gradually learn to control the internal sphincter at will.

    5. Anal stimulation provides many kinds of pleasure

    The highest concentration of nerve endings is around the anal opening itself. A finger can focus on them especailly effectively. When an object or penis is inserted beyond the anal opening into the rectum, other pleasures are involved. The outer protion of the rectum, like the vagina, has several nerve endings. The inner portion responds mostly to pressure.

    Some people enjoy the feelings of pressure and fullness once they understand that these sensations do not presage an impending bowel movement. Rectal pressure is especially important to enthusiasts of "fisting," a form of anal sex in which several fingers or een the entire hand and forearm are inserted into the rectum and sometimes into the lower colon.

    In men, the protate - which is just beyond the rectal wall, a few inches in, towards the front of the body - can be a source of pleasure when massaged by a finger, an object, or a penis. Also, the lower end of the penis, or "bulb," is near the anal opening opening. It is stimulated indirectly by most types of anal sex.

    Anal pleasure can be psychological as well as physical. The anal taboo adds to the thrill of the forbidden. The most common anti-anal message (it's dirty!) sometimes returns as a source of raunchy, sleazy excitement. Rimming enthusiasts may enjoy the feeling that they are being disgustingly - and delightfully - perverse. Other people regard the anus as a secret, special place. Sharing it with a partner is an act of openness and giving.

    6. Anal stimulation can lead to orgasm

    A minority of men and women can respond orgasmically to anal sex without direct genital stimulation. Women probably do so through pelvic muscle contractions - and a small minority even though the sheer excitement of being anally penetrated. When men expereience an orgasm from anal stimulation, they tend to focus on the prostate. No doubt they are also responding to indirect stimulation of the penile bulb.

    Orgasms from anal stimulation are most likely to occur when the participants become thoroughly absorbed in their sensations and fantasies. An lmost certain way to prevent such an orgasm is to be become determined to have one. Seeking an anal orgasm will create new pressures and disrupt the pleasure.

    It must be remembered that most people require direct genital stimulation in order to climax. On the other hand, a few people have orgasms only with anal stimulation.

    7. Diet contributes to the enjoyment of anal sex

    Regular bowel movements are the major function of the anus and rectum. There must be sufficient fiber in a person's diet to make his or her feces soft, bulky and well formed. This allows a bowel movement to be produced without force or effort. Forced evacuations irritate anal tissues, causing discomfort and adding to muscular tensions. Fresh fruits, vegetables, whole grains or unprocessed bran are important sources of fiber.

    8. Different rules of hygiene apply to the vagina and rectum

    Since intercourse can be vaginal or rectal, many people assume the the same rules apply for the penetration of the vagina and rectum. Although both are lined with soft tissue and are capable of expanding, they are radically dissimilar.

    The rectum is not straight. After the short anal canal which connects the anal opening to the rectum, the rectum tilts toward the front of the body. A few inches in, it curves back - sometimes as much as 90 degrees. Then, after a few more inches, it swoops toward the front of the body once again. A person can learn about the shape of his or her rectum by gently inserting a soft object, trying different angles and body positions and concentrating on how it feels. Make sure the object has a flared base so that if you loose your grip, it won't slip into the rectum and become irretrievable.

    The rectum does not produce lubrication like the vagina but only a small amount of mucus. Therefore, rectal penetration always requires a lubricant. Chemical additives should be avoided. Water-based lubricants are latex-compatible.

    The main function of the rectum is to act as a passageway for feces. But feces are not normally stored in the rectum except just prior to a bowel movement. Yet small amounts may remain in the rectum, expecially if the feces are not well formed. Anal douching before lovemaking will help some people especailly concerned with cleanliness to relax. For others the idea of dirtiness heightens the joy of the forbidden; for them, douching is anti-erotic.

    9. Anal intercourse is not necessarily an act of dominance and submission.

    The top-bottom imagery associated with anal intercourse is widespread. No doubt the belief that anal sex has to hurt contributes to this notion. And in fact some people are intensely excited by top-bottom fantasies about anal sex. The thought that they are submitting to such a degrading act is a terrific thrill. However, actual, not fantasized, anal pain can lead to trouble.

    For others, the enjoyment of anal sex is inhibited by top-bottom imagery. The idea of surrendering control, and perhaps submitting to humiliation, causes immediate, protective tensing of the anal muscles. These individuals are more likely to relax and enjoy themselves if they can learn to regard anal sex as pleasurable rather than as an expression of power.

    10. Anal sex can be perfectly safe, even beneficial.

    The taboo against anal eroticism is perpetuated by the almost universal belief among physicians that anal sex is inevitably dangerous. No physical injury from anal stimulation results if both partners refuse to tolerate pain, never use force and avoid the use of drugs.

    All the other risks center on sexually transmitted diseases. Each of the common STDs - gonorrhea, syphillis, herpes - can affect the anus. Intestinal parasites, bacteria or tiny bugs are usually passed along when fecal matter finds its way into someone's mouth or vagina, most likely through rimming.

    AIDS has complicated the matter. The HIV virus can pass from the semen or blood of an infected person to the bloodstream of a partner through a tiny break in the rectal tissue during anal intercourse.

    To avoid this risk, anal intercourse and rimming should not be practiced casually. Those who do enjoy anal intercourse should always use a condom. Rimming should always be accomplished by a latex barrier. Of course, in a monogamous realtionship with two healthy people, the risk of disease transmitted anally is reduced.

    Thousands of men and women with chronic anal medical problems have restored their anal health by challenging their negative attitudes. This approach is indespensible for full erotic enjoyment of the anus.

  4. South Park Mexican-Live and in Concert! by YourMissionForToday · · Score: -1
    Now that the Spider-Man movie is coming to theaters, I'd like to take a moment to clarify a few of the myths that have surrounded the Spider-Man universe for the past few years. Specifically, I'd like to address the origin of pop-culture catchphrase "the Spider-Man boner," as in, "Weezer gives me a Spider-Man boner!," "Sorry, I can't go out tonight, I have a Spider-Man boner!," or, "That is like, so, Spider-Man boner."

    Myth:In Amazing Spider-Man #1 Peter Parker, or Spider-Man, coins the phrase "With great power comes great responibility," in reference to his super-powers and crimefighting.

    Spider-Man feels that his super-powers give him a greater civic responsibility than the rest of us, and because of this, he fights crime.

    Fact: Spider-Man actually said, "With great power, comes...Oh good god! I'm so fucking hard right now!"

    Being bitten by a radioactive spider didn't just give Peter Parker amazing spider-powers. Nope, it also kinked his brain in a very unique way: crimefighting became an aphrodisiac to him.

    Myth: Spider-Man's costume was designed to strike fear into the hearts of criminals.

    Admittedly, many people are afraid of spiders, but the blue and red tones don't exactly strike fear.

    Fact: Spider-Man's costume was designed to downplay the bulges in his crotchocological region.

    Notice the busy black "webbing" pattern that steers the eyes to the middle of the chest, and the gentle color sloping that brings the eyes down towards the boots without emphasizing the crotch. This is because Spidey's chronic ( and often painful) priapism is linked to his career as a costumed do-gooder. He doesn't want anyone to see his perpetual crime-fighting inspired erection, but there it is, poking out underneath his tights despite his greatest efforts. And thus, the expression "Spider-Man" boner was born.

    Myth: Spider-Man has sexual intercourse with his enemies.

    So, you see Spidey happily webslinging from building to building, just after trapping Doctor Octopus and saving the city. You see the erection, and perhaps even an unfortunate stain, and you think, "He and Doc Ock probably had some rough sex just like Michael Douglas!"

    Fact:Spider-Man is faithful to his wife.

    Besides some drunken, clumsy rooftop sex between he and Felicia Hardy (aka the Black Cat) after an office party in 1999, Spidey has always remained faithful to Mary Jane, his bride. While fighting crime remains an incredibly arousing experience for the wall-crawler, his outward expressions of lust remain limited to his marriage partner. Mary Jane herself has no problem with this-"As long as New York has muggers, we'll never need Viagra!" she quipped in a recent interview with Vogue.

    When you go to see the Spider-Man feature, remember that Spidey isn't completely altruistic-he does get quite a charge out of it. And if you ever get a chance to see him, be sure to tell him, "Great job fighting crime!" and let him know that you don't mind that he has a big boner-it's all part of God's plan.

    1. Re:South Park Mexican-Live and in Concert! by diaper_tales · · Score: -1

      what about his websauce? what's it really made out of?

    2. Re:South Park Mexican-Live and in Concert! by YourMissionForToday · · Score: -1

      Eat a dick, you cockloving hippie!

    3. Re:South Park Mexican-Live and in Concert! by diaper_tales · · Score: -1

      why are you treating me like this? i have feelings, you know.

  5. Oh yeah? by Kymermosst · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Look at CowboyNeal... now there's a whore who will do anything! (watch at the polls)

    On a side note, at least one arm of the executive branch doesn't like the CBDTPA... maybe that'll mean a veto if it gets to the Prez.

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    1. Re:Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      No kidding. When I told him to eat my shit he had no problems swallowing it all. That is one sick motherfucker.

    2. Re:Oh yeah? by jlt116 · · Score: 1

      Veto? I pray it doesn't get that far. There can't be that many Media Whores on the Hill... can there?

    3. Re:Oh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you -- but if it gets as far as the prez in the first place I get a feeling POTUS isn't going to veto it -- just my gut feeling.

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    4. Re:Oh yeah? by mikethegeek · · Score: 2

      " Veto? I pray it doesn't get that far. There can't be that many Media Whores on the Hill... can there?"

      Bush already signed an Unconstitutional campaign finance "reform" law, one that makes it a FELONY to buy any advertisement dissing one of your representatives 60 days before an election.

      This means, that you coudn't run any ads detailing what Sentator "Disney" Hollings has done TO the Constitution, in the time period where most people who will are paying attention...

      Guess who gets an exemption and gets to decide what is said about candidates? The MEDIA, largely owned by the IP cartel. Note that this law will be in full effect next time Senator Disney runs.

      This is also the same Congress that passed the DMCA by unanimous voice vote.

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  6. You forget one thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't understand just how far this government goes. It goes all the way to the president!

  7. OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    This is perhaps *the* most boring and lame post I have read on Slashdot.

    And that is saying alot, because Slashdot is *REALLY* sucking lately.

    1. Re:OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "nooz fer turds, shit that splatters"

    2. Re:OMG by diaper_tales · · Score: -1

      m0d p4r3nt up!@
      +!1 OMG

  8. Technicalities by millisa · · Score: 1

    James Rogan is the Under Secretary of Commerce.
    A whore gets money for doing their master's bidding.
    A slut does stuff without monetary compensation.
    I propose his title be changed to Slutty UnderSecretary of Commerce or 'SUC' (ok, I'm reaching here) for short.
    Seeing as he is also the Director of the US Patent and Trademark Office, I'd also suggest his title to be extended to 'SUC US PTO'.

    1. Re:Technicalities by Tremo · · Score: 1

      Isn't Rogan also one of those Republican party hacks who was very active in the House's prosecution of Clinton's impeachment? He was almost as abrasive as Bob Barr.

    2. Re:Technicalities by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Isn't Rogan also one of those Republican party hacks who was very active in the House's prosecution of Clinton's impeachment?

      Before you get on your high horse, you would do well to remember that it was your pal Slick Willie who signed the DMCA into law. (I could crack a joke about how that ought to be justification enough for his impeachment, but that would be piling on.) Think about it for a minute...how beholden do you think an administration would be to a media elite that has pretty much nothing but hostility toward it?

      Left-wingers have never been known to let the truth get in the way of an argument, though...why do you think we had eight years of lies, quibbles, and equivocations?

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    3. Re:Technicalities by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      Here's more to think about when you wonder who your friends are...it was linked at the bottom of the article:

      http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,50754,00 . tml

      Selected paragraphs from the article:

      During a packed hearing before the Senate Commerce Committee, Democrats appeared far more eager for the government to intervene in what has become a highly visible tussle between Silicon Valley, which advocates a laissez-faire approach, and the Hollywood firms lobbying Congress to step in to prevent piracy....

      Republicans appeared much more skeptical of the SSSCA -- which is, after all, championed by a Democratic committee chairman -- and argued legislation would be too interventionist.

      In the 2000 election cycle, the entertainment industry gave Democrats a whopping $24.2 million in contributions compared to $13.3 million to Republicans, according to figures compiled by opensecrets.org....

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    4. Re:Technicalities by October_30th · · Score: -1
      Hello.

      I just wanted to point out that James Rogan sounds like James Grogan.

      Thank you for your attention.

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    5. Re:Technicalities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      left wingers wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the ass.

      Just look at anything that comes out of Daschle's or
      Gephardt's mouth. It's funny that anybody would believe anything they say.

    6. Re:Technicalities by idiotnot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't Rogan also one of those Republican party hacks who was very active in the House's prosecution of Clinton's impeachment?

      That's one way of putting it, but from everything I've seen/read/heard about Rogan, he's a reasonable fellow. If I remember correctly, he was involved in the impeachment process because of his qualifications as a lawyer. It cost him his seat in Congress, if it makes you feel any better. One of those principle/duty versus practicality things. Doesn't bode well for those who think he's paid for.

      Before you get on your high horse, you would do well to remember that it was your pal Slick Willie who signed the DMCA into law.

      And Senator Foghorn Leghorn (Fritzie Hollings, the junior senator from South Carolina) is a Democrat, too. That said, there are many Republicans who support this bill. Would the president sign it if it got to his desk? Probably, unfortunately. Bill's biggest opponent in Congress? Patrick Leahy, a Democrat.

      I think a big problem we've got here is that this isn't the kind of bill that's got the run-of-the mill congressman (like my undistinguished one) interested -- they'll vote whichever way the party leadership tells them to. Letters might help, but I think this is something that somebody important is going to have to pickup on, and sway quite a few votes. I'd focus on the senators whose states have the most to lose by open source development being hurt....

      John Edwards and Jesse Helms, North Carolina
      John Warner and George Allen, Virginia
      Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton, New York

      and so on....

      And I'm not a member of either party...I belong to one of those third, so-called unimportant ones. If you're interested....click here.

    7. Re:Technicalities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd also suggest his title to be extended to 'SUC US PTO'.

      A real whore whould be "SUC US GULP", none of this onomatopoetic spitting.

  9. Legislative Agenda by MrBrklyn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is really not as bad news as it might seems, and it gives those of us main stream advocates a chance to expose just how radical the position of the MPAA is.

    What we need to do is capitilize on this opportunity and expose the radical enemies of the public for the political radicals that they are. In addition, the MPAA is showing us exactly how to take the steps necessary to defend our fourth amemndment rights under the US Constitution in regard to digital media and privately owned digital devices.

    NY Fairuse is willing, with the help of it's sister organization, NYLXS, and with broad co-operation, it begin in Manhattan in May to gather together a broad coalition of IT Industry members, Librarians, Educators, Free Software Advocates, musicians, artisits, actors, and Internet Information Providers the Digital Property Protection Discussion Group.

    The purpose of forming this group is to draft and pass legislation which protects individuals 4th amendment rights with regard to their digital devices and media.

    The legislation to be drafted will accomplsih the following main stream objectives which all reasonable people can expect:

    All copyrights to individual scores, writings, and recordings will be returned to the original artist after a period of 10 years.

    No technology can be deployed which spies on, wiretaps or descloses privately owned information which is stored on digital devices by any government agency or private 3rd party without the issuance of a publically pronounced annd disclosed warrant l limited to a specific criminal investigation.

    All copyright cases must prove, prior to a judgement of guilt, proof that the actions in question did not infringe on Fair Use, and the individuals rights under the 4th and 1st ammendment of the Bill of rights US Constition.

    Ownership of all physical media and devices to read such media, is the sole property of the purchaser of the media, without an expressely negotiated and signed contract between both the copyright holder and the purchaser.

    No technological software or hardware method can be deployed in a digital product available for normal retail sale which inhibits in any way the full enjoyment of the property by the purchasers, regardless of any agreement between the designer of the hardware or software products. Such agreements are null, and not contractable.

    Copyright is an exception to Fair Use as it limited the ability for individuals to enjoy their private property and express themselves with the use of such copyrighted materials. Fair Use is a doctrin to be based on the 4th and 1st amendments of the Constitutions.

    Individuals have the right to express themselves to others about the means, mechanism and workings of all digital devices, including but not limited to discussion on how to make fair use of media, how to improve such devices, or to reverse engineer all such devices and the allgorithims which are used to help them display, copy or run media.

    We need to get as many big guns on this as possible and then relentlessly campaign, actively working to elect supporters and unelect opposition. In fact, we should look to defeat, not just the proposed spyware legistlation, but also defeat Senator Hollings

    WE CAN force him from office, because he's a radical.

    Ruben

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    1. Re:Legislative Agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well

      I just rattled everyone I could in DC.

      kevin.a.ryan@mail.house.gov is the Weiner Cheif of staff
      and they are going to send a representitive tomorrow to
      sit in on the committee, which is not their committee. Weiner is in
      the IP subcommittee in the house of the Judiciary Committee, and this
      committee in telecom of the commerce sub committtee.

      I'm sending him an email with our position on DRM.

      Our position on the Digital Rights Managment on the net is that

      First, the government should not mandate any technological means of
      assuring Digital Rights Management, and as INTEL said, this is the
      problem of the MPIAA, and Music Publishers, and not an issue of the internet.

      Secondly, all proposals of Rights management interfer with free competition in
      the computer industry, and is contributing to the economic downturn of the internet
      by preventing the use of Free Software and ordinary research and developement of
      software to expand the use of media in the public at large.

      Additionally, DRM, by it's nature, infringes on the 4th Amendment rights of the consumers who
      own the media which they buy, and prevent it's normal enjoyment. All DRM schemes require prior
      consent to use the property after a cpommon purchase. That is cpmpletely unexceptable.

      DRM is an assualt on the educational system and public libraries, by preventing the free
      disemination of information to the general public, stifling broad education, and further
      disenfranchisong minorities which depend on public education for advancement into the society
      at large.

      DRM is an extortion racket....PERIOD

      We have no use for it and will vote on this issue.
      It's destroying the economy, disenranchising our children, crippling our tax base, preventing
      competition, worsening the recesssion and targets Free Software, which was the engine which
      propelled our economy all throughout the 1990's by making the internet possible.

      If DRM is forced on us, and we can't use digital media for expression and education, and after
      buying something, you find you can't read something after a limited time, or without an approved
      hardware or software device, it is same as if someone banged down my door and stole my whole
      CD collection and my Newspaper archive. It prevents me from using MY property and it destroys MY
      business. My business is designing systems to read media and productively use information.

      Lastly, the Telecom subcommittee should not even be conducting this session since the proper place
      for this the IP subcommittee since this is an IP issue.

    2. Re:Legislative Agenda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      The legisitlative assitiants have their own club in DC and Lamar Robertson has been in constact with a number
      of the best people working on this agenda. We need to get people in DC to be available to testify at these
      conference meetings because what we've learned is that the participants have NO IDEA about details of Copyright
      Law and digital property rights, and they would LOVE to have our input, if it's done intelligently.

      We need to also campain to defeat Hollings and make an example of what what happens to elected officials
      who oppose private ownership of digital media and trample on our 4th Amendment rights.

    3. Re:Legislative Agenda by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Yes - but short of a massive public campaign against this - it's going to go through. The companies that have a vested interest in this make large donations - the parties/ senators wouldn't like to see that stream of revenue disappear. The best that can be hoped for is that it goes through in a modified form.

    4. Re:Legislative Agenda by Neolithic · · Score: 0
      Ownership of all physical media and devices to read such media, is the sole property of the purchaser of the media, without an expressely negotiated and signed contract between both the copyright holder and the purchaser.
      This is one of the key components to fair use along with item 6 from the Consumer Technology Bill of Rights.

      Users have the right to use technology in order to achieve the rights previously mentioned.
      One of the primary arguements on the side of the MPAA and RIAA for the strengthening and extending of IP laws and DRM is the importance of ownership and its protection. From John Locke's rights of "Life, Liberty, and Property" these industries have a basis for arguement. However, as seen through their efforts in placing a strangle hold on Fair Use and draconian Digital Rights Management schemes they are taking away these fundamental rights from the entire population of the United States and transferring it to themselves. The MPAA and RIAA wish to establish a communist regime and dole out entertainment only to those they feel need and deserve it.

      That association and accusation alone should stir up some blood in Congress regardless of party affiliation.

      Lets make the MPAA and RIAA the new "Red Scare".

      Are you or have you ever been a memeber of the Entertainment Industry Party?
    5. Re:Legislative Agenda by Fesh · · Score: 2

      Ok, maybe I'm being a little thickheaded, but why do we need more legislation to keep government from doing things that the Constitution says it can't do through legislation in the first place?

      *sigh* Although if I had to take a guess, it'd be that the folks on the Hill don't give a crap about constitutionality in the first place.

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      --Fesh
      Kill -9 'em all, let root@localhost sort 'em out.
    6. Re:Legislative Agenda by mikethegeek · · Score: 2

      " Yes - but short of a massive public campaign against this - it's going to go through. The companies that have a vested interest in this make large donations - the parties/ senators wouldn't like to see that stream of revenue disappear. The best that can be hoped for is that it goes through in a modified form."

      Which is what pisses me off about the so-called "campaign finance reform". It does nothing to address the existance of industry-wide "cartels" like the MPAA, RIAA, etc. Who even if not allowed to give money to a candidate, will still get their ear, BECAUSE they are an industry cartel.

      Maybe the MPAA/RIAA's memberships are of multiple companies, but when it comes to setting prices and policies, and lobbying, they act as ONE... That can't be legal under the Sherman act.

      Indeed, the RIAA has been found to be guilty of price fixing the cost of CD's... Punishment? none that matters.

      When such a group has been found to break the law in that way, it should be dissolved.

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      === The price of freedom is eternal vigilance
    7. Re:Legislative Agenda by MrBrklyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a good question.

      The reason for this istwo fold:

      First, the courts can not be depended upon to uphold
      the constitution.

      Secondly, the bulk of the common law and case law uses language which disadvantages the property rights of
      individuals in regard to copyright, and considers fair use
      ONLY as a defense against copyright violation. A statute
      which reverses this language will affect every court case
      by giving new language to work with.

      Ruben

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      http://www.mrbrklyn.com/amsterdam.html http://www.brooklyn-living.com
  10. S.2048 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hhmmm, 2048, multiple of 8... as in bits in a byte. Consipiracy or coincidence?

    1. Re:S.2048 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8? Try 2^11

    2. Re:S.2048 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lemme see, 8 x 256 is what again?

    3. Re:S.2048 by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2

      hhmmm, 2048, multiple of 8... as in bits in a byte. Consipiracy or coincidence?

      Yeah, I noticed it after I subtracted 1 and did an XOR with the result. :)

  11. "Beware of whores who say they don't want money.. by Dr_Marvin_Monroe · · Score: 1

    What the really want is MORE money, lots more...." William S Burroughs.

  12. Corporate whore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the use of that word shows more bias than any statements this guy possibly could have made.

    1. Re:Corporate whore? by howardjp · · Score: 1

      Mod this up. This post is pretty brilliant and it shows more insight than the submitter has.

    2. Re:Corporate whore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "nooz fer turds, shit that splatters"

      shut yer fuckin' whore mouth, bitch...

      thanks.

    3. Re:Corporate whore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey shitforbrains, that comment was that of the POSTER.

      it was NOT made by the fucktard editors of /.

      do you GET the DIFFERENCE, or are such subtleties lost on you?

    4. Re:Corporate whore? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      The slashdot editors aren't rich. How could they ever hope to win over this guy?

    5. Re:Corporate whore? by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      how do you know his comment wasn't directed at the poster?

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    6. Re:Corporate whore? by deverox · · Score: 1

      Read the definition of a whore:
      A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.
      Thus the definition is valid and you are an idiot. Enough said.

    7. Re:Corporate whore? by hettb · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      You are hereby urged to commit suicide.

    8. Re:Corporate whore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I have to urge you to commit suicide.

      Thank you.

    9. Re:Corporate whore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this down, this guy is a moron. Check out the definition of whore, the truth hurts. Don't wanna be called a whore? Then don't do what whores do. HEAR ME FRITZ?

    10. Re:Corporate whore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did that term hit close to home? lol...

    11. Re:Corporate whore? by aozilla · · Score: 2

      A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

      What makes you think the commerce secretary doesn't legitimately hold the values he's expressing?

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      ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
    12. Re:Corporate whore? by aozilla · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The scariest part:

      It's really scary tho- more then half of Slashdot's readers NEVER read a comment. - CmdrTaco

      Half the people who come here never read more than the crap on the front page.

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      ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
    13. Re:Corporate whore? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1
      No, but saying things like that helps divide the gap. So it ends up being us and them. Then we both just wage war becacuse they're the enemy, and not because we're trying to change something.
      Also, they will probably never win this guy over. But they could have put-off 100 other people who were still deciding where they stand.

      If you want to fight for a cause, you don't call people names and act like they are some evil enemy.

    14. Re:Corporate whore? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      Man, we're on the same side. Even if I am a sarcastic asshole.

      But honest to god, the gap was already there, if not quite public. Besides, for every person that was turned off by the namecalling, there was another person impressed by the truth in it. This is a situation where there aren't any rewards worth having forr pulling punches.

  13. Bout damn time by Brightest+Light · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Before Congress rushes into the imposition of a legislative solution," Rogan said, "I hope its members will grant more time for the free market to find its own middle ground."

    Thank the gods for that. Its about time somebody stands up and says "Hold on a second, lets give business the chance to make their own decisions,
    before we step in and legislate for them." I hope that more of this sort of thing happens in the future. I sincerely hope that those in congress decide
    to heed Mr.Rogan's words, and their voing reflects it.

    1. Re:Bout damn time by martissimo · · Score: 3, Funny

      i really wish i saw more of a positive angle from this statement, however this line makes me wonder

      In a speech last week, Rogan said that "negotiations are presently underway among hardware manufacturers and content owners to develop improved means for protecting online content," and legislators should wait for results before voting on a proposal such as the Hollings bill.


      sounds to me basically like he's saying "it's too soon to pass it", lets just warn the hardware people that they better do something soon, before we do pass it.

      1 more session of Congress without it being passed is a start, it gives us more time to rally more support, but this certainly doesn't look like the time to back off on applying pressure on the lawmakers

    2. Re:Bout damn time by ealar+dlanvuli · · Score: 1

      I am moving to canada if it passes. DMCA tempted me, but this is just absurdity. I loose all respect for america if this actually is voted sucessfully.

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      I live in a giant bucket.
    3. Re:Bout damn time by Brightest+Light · · Score: 1
      sounds to me basically like he's saying "it's too soon to pass it", lets just warn the hardware people that they better do something soon, before we do pass it.

      youve got a good point there

  14. Fascism? by The+Original+Yama · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I hate to say this, but it seems as if the USA is becoming increasingly fascist every day. It has a deified leader (as is typical of US presidents) who was not democratically elected; a legislative body that passes laws to promote and protect big corporate interests over citizens, in total disregard of the constitution; belligerent, jingoistic politics that is focussed on an outside "threat" (which was actually created by them in the first place) in order to deflect interest away from problems at home; a Department of Juctice that capitulates to illegal monopolists despite having the upper hand; law enforcement agencies that spy on and censor people; a social policy that leaves people hungry, homeless, undereducated and in poor health; and a whole lot more.

    This doesn't sound any different from Nazi Germany. Oh wait... Hitler actually <i>created</i> jobs and <i>improved</i> the standard of living. I guess it's worse then.

    1. Re:Fascism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU, sir, are quite correct in your observations and remarks... Yes, and if this fucking country is the best country in the world, what does that say about the rest of this miserable planet?

      thank you.

    2. Re:Fascism? by Kymermosst · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Of course. We should have kept recounting the Florida election until it went the other way.

      I doubt anyone here sees President Bush as a god. Hate to burst your bubble.

      Now, you make an accusation that the legislative body is disregarding the Constitution by passing laws to promote and protect big corporate interests. While I don't disagree about the nature of the laws, I do question your assertion that they are violating the Constitution. Which part?

      I will only touch on one other thing you brought up, as I am tired. Social policy. Well, I'm a firm believer that there are plenty of charities out there, and the government doesn't need to be one of them.

      I can name a dozen charities that are successful and really help people. I can only name one government program that did the same, and it no longer exists. (the CCC.) I still haven't figured out where people like you get the idea that you should strongarm people like me into giving to beggars on the street like the one who sits at the stoplight a few blocks from here. I happen to know for a fact that he could go to Goodwill or the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and they would help, along with most churches, and many non-religious organizations. Why make the government responsible for a task that is already being done?

      Maybe we should just hand them money and make people like me do the work?

      You really touched a nerve in me tonight.

      You know, I've become unemployed in the past (living in the state with the top unemployment rate in the country right now) and you know what? I went back to school to make myself more qualified. The government is more than willing to loan almost anyone money to go to school. But then again, if you aren't motivated to work (or even try to get a job), why would you bother to put the time into school?

      Then again, why do anything at all when the government is making the people who actually do the work pay your way through life? Hey, spit out a few kids and get even more, right?
      Hey, why don't we make everyone equal by making a standard wage, no matter what kind of, or lack of work that they have? You know, $20/hour for everyone, both the college grads, and the people who dropped out in 9th grade.

      You sit here and cry "fasicsm" all the while insulting people like me who do the best we can in life, and telling us how inhumane we are for trying to be successful on our own accord. Here I am back in college trying to improve my employability so I can be successful, and you tell me that when I become successful, I have to support some drug-addicted high school dropout who fucked his own life up, as if I'm the one who told him not to get a job.

      Don't compare me and mine to Nazi Germany, asshole. (My family is from East Prussia, by the way.)

      You offend me.

      --
      "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    3. Re:Fascism? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You offend me.

      Ever try to see things from any view other than the one you have now? Hell, the original poster might be a twit, but he's not all wrong either. I don't want to support bums with my tax dollar either, but you make it sound like that's all welfare ever is.

      Hell, but then, with people like you in charge half the time, and people like the original poster in charge the other half, how could it ever be any different?

    4. Re:Fascism? by shepd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The original poster (before you) violated Godwin's law. If you want to continue the thread leave anything he said about Nazis out of it. That's just a red herring designed to piss everyone off.

      Now, ignoring all the BS about Hitler, I have a beef or two with what you've said:

      >While I don't disagree about the nature of the laws, I do question your assertion that they are violating the Constitution. Which part?

      I'm not totally up on American law, but I'm pretty certain that your constitution guarantees many freedoms (such as freedom of speech). If the CBDTPA is just an extension to the DMCA then it is anti free-speech. Isn't that your first amendment?

      >Social policy. Well, I'm a firm believer that there are plenty of charities out there, and the government doesn't need to be one of them.

      That certainly can be your opinion (and, fortunately for you and many others the majority disagrees with it), however you can't have it both ways.

      >You know, I've become unemployed in the past... I went back to school to make myself more qualified. The government is more than willing to loan almost anyone money to go to school.

      You can't have it both ways. You can't use the government acting as a charity (and handing out money for people to go to school without any guarantees they'll get it back is nothing more than a backhanded charity) and not want it being a charity.

      >I still haven't figured out where people like you get the idea that you should strongarm people like me into giving to beggars on the street like the one who sits at the stoplight a few blocks from here.

      Huh? Did he say for you to walk up to street beggars and give them money? You need a fixed residence to pick up a cheque from the gov't, so if there's anyone you should respect with your views, it would be a street beggar.

      Again, another contradiction in your ideas presents itself:

      >Then again, why do anything at all when the government is making the people who actually do the work pay your way through life?

      Ok.

      >Hey, why don't we make everyone equal by making a standard wage, no matter what kind of, or lack of work that they have? You know, $20/hour for everyone, both the college grads, and the people who dropped out in 9th grade.

      I am assuming you think the 9th grader has an easier life. Hate to break it to you but if he gets a job it will not be easy. People say all the time "Gas pumpers and golden arches flippers have it easy". Well, if so why not do their job?. I know why. Becuase the job sucks. Its physically demanding, or mentally annoying. Either way most everyone who graduates college is looking for the cushy, easy way out with a 9-5 desk job pushing paper.

      If you want, feel free to reply and clear up what you've just said. Maybe I'm reading you wrong?

      Perhaps you're just confused on the meaning of "fascism". It doesn't have anything to do with work, you know.

      Its:

      "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism"

      If you don't consider the president elect (I do consider him elected myself, but by a really thin thread) its easy to see how laws like the DMCA and CBDTPA causes socioeconomic controls (if you don't have the money, you can't participate in society), and suppression of opposition through censorship (DeCSS, anyone?). The other items (nationalism, racism, and terror) tend to be qualitative rather than quantitative, so these are the points that should be argued against the US being fascist. In my opinion the US is still far from it, but bills like this bring it closer and closer to the line.

      Wether or not a burger flipper has 10 or 20 babies doesn't really factor into the discussion.

      >I have to support some drug-addicted high school dropout who fucked his own life up, as if I'm the one who told him not to get a job.

      Where did that come from?

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    5. Re:Fascism? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      It's a little less miserable than the rest? God damn, that's certainly something to be proud of. Of all the shitty nations on earth, the good ole' USA is _slightly_ less shitty than the others. We need to write that into our pledge of allegiance or national anthem or something.

      It's days like these that make me weep for joy that I'm a citizen.

    6. Re:Fascism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your government loan is a form of welfare. Feel free to split hairs.

    7. Re:Fascism? by segfault_0 · · Score: 1

      If this isn't the closest thing to the government telling us what to "think" i dont know what is.

      Thats it lets firewall all outside traffic to the US, dont want any "propoganda" getting in from those anti-capitalist nations. And while we're at it lets make it so all software must be downloaded from the government servers or bought at government stores...and you thought the bread line was bad in the former USSR...

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      I was crazy back when being crazy really meant something. (Charles Manson)
    8. Re:Fascism? by Kymermosst · · Score: 2

      No, it isn't. It has to be paid back, with interest. If it is not paid back, they will send it to collections, which will be punishment. They will also take it back from any tax refund, and probably take it to court.

      That's not the same as money that does not need to be paid back.

      Furthermore, one could treat school, and becoming a better benefit to society, as an occupation. At least it's a form of work. It certainly isn't "free" money.

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      "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    9. Re:Fascism? by Kymermosst · · Score: 2

      I'm not totally up on American law, but I'm pretty certain that your constitution guarantees many freedoms (such as freedom of speech). If the CBDTPA is just an extension to the DMCA then it is anti free-speech. Isn't that your first amendment?

      I don't like the way the law is written, either, and I don't like governent regulation of technology, however... ARTISTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR!!!

      Believe it or not, it takes real thought and work to produce music and other artistic expressions. The creations are each unique. The bullshit argument that "the people who copy wouldn't have paid for it anyway" doesn't fly. Things distributed in limited quantity have value. The mere act of copying devalues music, just like a counterfeit painting devalues the original.

      ... acting as a charity (and handing out money for people to go to school without any guarantees they'll get it back is nothing more than a backhanded charity) and not want it being a charity.

      No, it is not a charity. Sure, there are some people that screw the system, but most do not. Like any other lender, the government expects to be paid back, with interest. They will do everything they can to get it back, including collections actions, witholding of tax refunds, and civil lawsuits. That's not the same as handing out the money for free.

      I am assuming you think the 9th grader has an easier life. Hate to break it to you but if he gets a job it will not be easy. People say all the time "Gas pumpers and golden arches flippers have it easy". Well, if so why not do their job? . I know why. Becuase the job sucks. Its physically demanding, or mentally annoying. Either way most everyone who graduates college is looking for the cushy, easy way out with a 9-5 desk job pushing paper.

      I NEVER said it was easy. I have been a burger flipper at McDonalds, and it paid the bills. Within six months I was a manager. When I decided I didn't want to do it anymore, I went into the Army. Partly so I could afford more education, and partly to gain more work experience. When I left the Army, I had a job within two weeks. It paid a lot less, but it was still honest wages. When I got laid off from that job, I got another job immediately, again, honest wages. When I became unemployed last year, and could NOT find a job, I went back to school.

      What I have a problem with, is that while there are people who genuinely need help, most people "out on the streets" CHOOSE to be there, because they aren't willing to do what it takes to make them successful. They won't go to places like Goodwill or the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, or any number of employment charities. (That I routinly give money to so they can continue to do so.) They won't go back to school, and they won't flip burgers. Not because they can't, because they won't.

      You can bring up the point that they might be physically or mentally disabled. My school employs about 250 people with varying problems like downs-syndrome, confinement to wheelchairs, and other disabilities. For people with acute sociopathic disorders that prevent them from working, there are institutions that can and will take care of them.
      The simple fact is, that the original post pissed me off by basically saying that people who are successful are directly responsible for people who fail, and made the implication that it is the government's responsibility to take from the successful and give to the unsuccessful.

      Perhaps you're just confused on the meaning of "fascism". It doesn't have anything to do with work, you know.

      I know damn well what fascism is. Our country is a far cry from it. My problem was, the original poster was calling the U.S. fascist, all the same advocating socialism-near-communism. The specific comment "a social policy that leaves people hungry, homeless, undereducated and in poor health" is what pissed me off.

      People are hungry because they choose to be, either by choosing not to work, or by choosing not to go to one of the established charities who would love to help them.

      People are homeless for the same reason. In the United States, if you are a high school graduate under age 35, I know someone who is constantly hiring. It's called the Army, and they have 212 ways for you to be a soldier. And I'm NOT a recruiter, just a happy customer. They'll give you a home, a job, and a paycheck.

      People are uneducated because they choose not to take advantage of the aforementioned student loans, or they drop out of high school.
      People are in poor health because they smoke, eat junk food all the time, and don't bother to plan for health care.
      All choices for most of those people. For the relatively few who need help, the help is available.

      The original poster was trying to imply that our "fascist" society forces them into the position they are in. For most of those people, they put themselves there.

      And that's where the last comment I made that you said you didn't know where it came from fits in, though I could have stated it better.

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      "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    10. Re:Fascism? by shepd · · Score: 1

      >ARTISTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR!!!

      I agree. I don't agree about your feelings on piracy (American satellite TV in canada, until this weekend, was absolute proof against your argument), but I agree artists have the right to control their labour.

      Unfortunately IIRC, part of the CBDTPA would control how free software can be given away (perhaps I'm confused on this). If so, how can you possibly say the CBDTPA allows for the freedom of will for artists? Perhaps some artists (actually, when one considers most non-commercial sites on the internet a work of art, one could say most people) would rather their work be used by everyone, rather than just everyone with money.

      It seems you're a nice person who gives to charities directly. I personally don't (again, a surprising majority of people, especially your friends up north, don't give much to charities). I'd rather (and most of us would rather -- again, if I could find the stats on the net I would, but I only have them on paper) the government worry about who needs my charity money most, and that's why I prefer the government to give it away for me.

      >The specific comment "a social policy that leaves people hungry, homeless, undereducated and in poor health" is what pissed me off.

      Well, you've got to consider the reason they never make it even close to #1 on the "World's best country to live in" is partly because when the judges see the slums there they are disgusted. [Thank God they haven't seen our Canadian Indian reserves yet]. I'm not an expert in social policy (but I play one on the internet) so I really don't know how to fix that problem.

      In most 1st world countries when you are broke, though, you can still get basic medicare, and you can still get a basic living allowance no matter what.

      What the guy should have said is "a social policy that leaves lazy people hungry, homeless, undereducated and in poor health". A lot of us feel that just because someone isn't interested in putting in an effort doesn't mean we should leave them in the street to die. You've part of that set of people who think that's wrong, its just your way of giving is diferent.

      My thinking has always been that there's a fine line between keeping someone alive and giving them a reason to be lazy. Our Indian reserves are exactly the second half of the problem -- too much money means people who don't care about their lives...

      (but anyways, this is probably way off topic now)

      >In the United States, if you are a high school graduate under age 35, I know someone who is constantly hiring. It's called the Army

      Well... where I am they aren't hiring, and there's a lot of people who take offence at being torn down as a person and built back up as a killer (again, try not to take offense at that, but as a pacifist that's how I see the situation). However, I do agree there's more than enough work out there for people willing to do it! [I've held as many as 3 jobs at a time on top of college when I wanted money, so if I can do that, why can't others?]

      >People are in poor health because they... ...don't bother to plan for health care.

      Well, I'd disagree with that. Yes, they don't plan for the worst (bad health) but that's the human condition, not to mention an aversion to paranoia. That's what stops a LOT of people already in 1st world countries emmigrating to the US [I know its what's stopping me!]. They just don't want to save $100,00 in the chance they'll need it for health care -- insurance doesn't work, I'm sure you've heard the many ways they squirm out of their policies when you need them.

      Anyways, I also strongly disagree that the US is Fascist in general. However, I would say that the US would be implementing a Fascist policy in the CBDTPA, and that's why it needs to be stopped!

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      If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
    11. Re:Fascism? by Kymermosst · · Score: 2

      Mostly I was just pissed off that anyone would dare call the U.S. fascist. My family is from East Prussia, and one of my relatives was Hitler's chief-of-staff for the military. (A soldier, not a Nazi... I've read his autobiography and other texts.) But, people don't make the distinction of oath of service one's country, and believing the national regime's propaganda. So, as a result, I grew up being called a "Nazi" as soon as that came to light in a class in grade school. So, you see the basis for being offended. After that, it was tirade.

      Let me clarify my stance on the CBDTPA:

      For the record, I agree with you about the CBDTPA. I don't like the law, and have written letters against it. I agree that there IS a problem with piracy, however.

      I used to be a pirate. To be honest, it was mostly because I couldn't afford the stuff I wanted. I would have paid for it otherwise. Then I discovered Linux. :)

      The main reason I brought up content control is that the original poster seemed to think that ANY copyright system of any nature was wrong, and limiting free speech. (freedom of speech and expression is already limited, and I don't have a problem with reasonable limitations... yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre, for instance.)
      I agree with a non-renewable copyright system. A shorter-time patent system that doesn't include software (reimplentation is fine for all things, and software is covered in copyright) or naturally-occuring substances (DNA).

      The big problem with patenting software and algorithms, is that with patents on physical objects, one generally has the chance to invent something that gets the same (or similar) result through different means, at least for processes. That is not true of software, and getting the same result violates the patent. That is just plain wrong.

      Anyway, thanks for listening to my point of view, and seeing past the way I put things. That makes you a lot more respectable than most people.

      --
      "Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives" should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    12. Re:Fascism? by matrix29 · · Score: 2

      I don't like the way the law is written, either, and I don't like government regulation of technology, however... ARTISTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR!!!

      Believe it or not, it takes real thought and work to produce music and other artistic expressions. The creations are each unique. The bullshit argument that "the people who copy wouldn't have paid for it anyway" doesn't fly. Things distributed in limited quantity have value. The mere act of copying devalues music, just like a counterfeit painting devalues the original.


      And the legitimate alternative is "This MONA LISA will self-destruct in 1 year unless you renew your viewing license! You are on day 364 of your viewing allowance! All attempts at photographing or redrawing this MONA LISA will immediately void your license regardless of your previous fee payments and also voids your right of refund!"

      Yeah... the no-copy society sure adds value. There is another way of regarding this mindset - EXTORTION. Pardon me if I will ignore all "ART" under these conceptual limitations. The mindset of science is "Publish or Perish". If you don't share your ideas they simply die when you die. Creative information unshared is WASTED and DESERVES TO PERISH.

      Imagine a social upheaval that destroys most of the original work and artists. If that work remains uncopyable then it is certain to be lost forever. There is another form of social upheaval that is always present - TIME. The art that has shaped our society remains in PUBLIC collections and not private homes (which can burn down more easily and destroy that art forever). Certainly well-maintained and loved private collections can become a wealth of public value only if they are later shared with the public.

      To make a living in the artist's lifetime there must be some copy control. However, in the public's interest the artist must release that copy control so as to ensure their work survives past their limited lifetime. No matter how great the artist the work will not survive their lifetime if they keep it under private control.

      The best example you can regard at this time is in the genre of computer games and emulators. Without rampant piracy from that era - EVERY SINGLE GAME AND PROGRAM OF THAT TIME WOULD BE LOST! Think about it. There may have been some financial loss to the artists of that time, but the cost is offset by the value given to later generations by these "concerned collectors". Private individuals will dispose of their old software and hardware when something better comes along at a reasonable price. Pirates will keep their collections intact and transfer it to the new media formats for the later generations regardless of whether they can get some immediate financial returns from the effort. Hell, I honestly feel bad when a software piracy ring gets busted purely because of the long-term value they provide as private archivers. Sure there are public archivers, but they do not keep copies of corporate software because of the fear of piracy. Which means the public archivers have most shareware, freeware, and really crappy freeware. Even though piracy is regarded as wrong it still provides value in the long term that the short term mindset NOCOPY CROWD PERISHES FROM.

      Think about it as we return to the age of DONGLES, KEY DISKS, COPY BLOCKS, and other archival-unfriendly methods which kill the joys of our day to future generations. You know what is even more sad? Games today are released with patches being released weeks afterward for obvious bugs. If our future generations want to play the games that thrilled us then, they most likely will not have the patches available that made the games tolerable and will see the bug-filled mess that we endured pre-patched.

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  15. typo in article by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 3, Funny
    the DMCA carefully balances the interests of all stakeholders
    I think that's a type. It should be shareholders, as in shareholdings in the stock of Sen. Ernst Hollings, which is going rather cheaply these days. It carefully balances the interests of shareholders such as Disney with those of the RIAA and MPAA, who hold many shares in other political conglomerations.
    1. Re:typo in article by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      New job title. Legislative broker. The stock market, the currency market, and yes, the legislative interest market.

      "And today at the NYSE opening, Sen. Hollings was trading at $17.55 per share, but sharply dropped after a Reuters poll indicates that his election campaign might not go as smoothly as he had hoped. Analysts feel however, that this is only a temporary downturn, and that the stock will rebound by the end of the week..."

      Hey, maybe we could use this for campaign finance reform.

      "In other news, every major mutual fund has downgraded Pres. Candidate Perot stocks to junk bond status...."

    2. Re:typo in article by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 2
      There really is such a market. See the Iowa Electronic Markets (link seems down, so try the Google cache link to Iowa Electronic Markets

      The Iowa Electronic Markets are real-money futures markets in which contract payoffs depend on economic and political events such as elections. These markets are operated by faculty at the University of Iowa Tippie College of Business as part of our research and teaching mission. We invite you to join us in this mission.
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    3. Re:typo in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is the right spelling afterall remembering that the user is being burnt at the stake in this case.

  16. The almighty dollar. by cyphixation · · Score: -1

    but it seems that there are some things even whores won't do.

    Just keep tacking zeroes on the end of the pricetag.....everyone has their price for everything.

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    1. Re:The almighty dollar. by YourMissionForToday · · Score: -1

      Do you remember that million-dollar freeplicious wrestler the Million Dollar Man? He was awesome. He had the Million Dollar Belt!

  17. SLURP by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1, Troll

    Well, fuck me in the ass with a 72" dildo!

    -- Mr. American Consumer

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  18. Corporate whores? Indeed. by AntiNorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Commerce Secretary James Rogan claims that 'the DMCA carefully balances the interests of all stakeholders,'

    Of course it carefully balances the interests of all stakeholders. Thing is, they don't see customers as stakeholders. An argument could be made that customers aren't stakeholders in this sense -- after all, they have no financial stake in whether most CBDTPA-protected works succeed or fail. Never mind the principles that are involved, it's all about money to corporations and to Congress.

    a claim that marks him for a corporate whore, but it seems that there are some things even whores won't do

    Like pay any attention to whether their customers care about what they're being exposed to? You could make some interesting comparisons here. The corporate whores are exposing their customers to CBDTPA; the rest of the analogy is left to the reader's imagination.

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  19. Wow! by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1, Troll

    I'd love to read this, but I'm too busy downloading pictures of strap-on anal action to care!! Wow, chicks with rubber dicks!!

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    1. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you should try to find the ones with the real dicks.

  20. Honest Politician by RWarrior(fobw) · · Score: 2

    Maybe he's honest. You know, an honest politician is one who, once bought, stays bought.

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  21. Wow... by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1, Troll

    Man sex... or MONKEY sex!?

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  22. Wow! by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

    Man fæces... or MONKEY fæces!?
    (CmdrTaco prefers Monkey. How about you?)

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  23. Still not safe... by NickRob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This isn't a time to rest on our laurels. Congress could still pass this thing. A simple majority wins, and Congress has passed many an unpopular act (USA Patriot anyone?) We still have to email and write letters and protest this thing and reach every single person we can.

    We keep recieving good news, but that doesn't mean we should slack off... it means that we should work harder and spread our message. Advocacy works.

    1. Re:Still not safe... by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      Actually the PATRIOT act was quite popular. Considering all the jingoistic fools were out for blood, they'd probably let something pass Congress even if it called for nuking the mid-east or arresting every Arab in the country.

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    2. Re:Still not safe... by martissimo · · Score: 2

      This isn't a time to rest on our laurels. Congress could still pass this thing. A simple majority wins, and Congress has passed many an unpopular act (USA Patriot anyone?) We still have to email and write letters and protest this thing and reach every single person we can.


      Not to be a nitpicker, but the USA Patriot Act was far from unpopular, the public swallowed up all the rhetoric of it, and it flew through congress like greased lightning. It's a poor example. The thing passed with like a 7-1 ratio in the house, and there was a grand total of one vote against it in the senate.

      I agree that now is not the time to back off on the Hollings bill, on the contrary i believe that now is the time to turn up the heat in every way we can... but frankly thoose of us who value personal freedoms were definitely in the minority in the immediate aftermath of 9-11 when the Patriot Act passed.

    3. Re:Still not safe... by mikethegeek · · Score: 2

      " This isn't a time to rest on our laurels. Congress could still pass this thing. A simple majority wins, and Congress has passed many an unpopular act (USA Patriot anyone?) We still have to email and write letters and protest this thing and reach every single person we can.

      We keep recieving good news, but that doesn't mean we should slack off... it means that we should work harder and spread our message. Advocacy works."

      We shouldn't feel SAFE at all... Remember, it was only 1998 when Congress, by a UNANIMOUS VOICE VOTE passed DMCA.

      I don't belive that 535 members of Congress have been replaced in the last 4 years. That means, obviously, there is still a huge majority, a Veto-proof majority, that is still there who voted in DMCA.

      Until people start changing their politicians like they do underwear (for the same reason), this kind of power and influence by industry cartels will continue to write the laws.

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    4. Re:Still not safe... by cow_licker · · Score: 0

      yeah, except for the fact that the US PATRIOT act was extrememly popular, supported by the vast majority of americans. That doesn't make it any less stupid, but practically everyone was behind it at the time it was proposed.

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  24. Restrictions on consumers OK, on business not-OK by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 4, Informative
    The view is that the DMCA is considered OK, because that's a restriction on comsumer's rights for the benefit of businesses. But S.2048 is a restriction on some businesses for the benefit of other businesses. That's another matter entirely.

    Take a look at:
    http://www.eff.org/IP/SSSCA_CBDTPA/20020322_eff_ao l-intel_critique.html
    [my comments in brackets]

    In his testimony before the Senate Commerce Committee, Intel Executive Vice President Leslie Vadasz courageously spoke out against the Hollywood moguls who are asking Congress make copy controls mandatory in all new technologies. Vadasz expressed skepticism of the demands of copyright industries, which he said "historically feared technology -- from the advent of sound recording, to the development of the VCR, the DVD, the PC, and other digital devices". He explained that innovation must not be sacrificed in an impossible quest to lock down every tool that might be used for infringement.

    [Note this is a restriction on some businesses for the benefit of OTHER BUSINESSES. The businesses who would be subject to this restriction obviously don't like that]

    By contrast, a March 19 joint statement by Intel Corporation and AOL Time Warner suggests a disappointing change of heart by Intel. The "AOL Time Warner -- Intel Joint Statement of Principles" envisions a world in which corporate negotiations decide consumers' rights, and government outlaws devices falling outside a "consensus" imposed by Hollywood at lawyer-point. According to the joint statement, "The goal of these efforts is to create an overall architecture for protecting digital content throughout its distribution life so that it does not 'leak' out in an unprotected manner" -- with the result that copyright holders shape the digital architecture of the future, retaining the power to control your use of the movies, music and books you buy.

    [Note this is a restriction on consumer's right for the benefit of businesses. The businesses love that.]

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  25. Little Excessive by ender81b · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a claim that marks him for a corporate whore, but it seems that there are some things even whores won't do

    Allright, now listen - I hate the CBBLAH & DMCA, etc like everyone else. But, come on now, is it REALLY necassary to call them whores when posting this news to the site? ATTENTION SLASHDOT EDITORS: it doesn't make you look very professional or worthy of respect when you result to cheap tactics like this.

    Leave it to people like ME to call them whores but please not on the main page. it just doesn't give us a very solid position to argue from if you result to name-calling on the main page.

    1. Re:Little Excessive by Finni · · Score: 1

      You should note that the 'whore' comment was, in fact, in italics. This indicates that it was written by the submitter, not the editor.

    2. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, let me take this opportunity to request that you should go fuck yourself with a baseball bat, preferably an aluminum one, and fresh from the freezer.

      Bye now!

    3. Re:Little Excessive by ender81b · · Score: 2

      Yes. But the editor was the one who decided to put that on the front page.

    4. Re:Little Excessive by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      Slashdot isn't a professional site. It's a bunch of pimply hax0rs that decided to throw together a website about their hobbyist OS and how "leet" it is to use it. Their only real "journalist" is a man named Jon Katz, whose stories get virtually no comments. The rest of the turds that run this site are... well, turds.

      There's Rob "Commander Taco" Malda, a blatant outspoken homosexual who engages in something known as "Taco" snotting with his friends, Jeff "Homos" Bates and Cowboy "Kneel" Pater. These fine specimens of all that's wrong with the world also get off on moderating down or outright deleting comments expressing opposing views, permanently marking offending users ("bitch" slapping them; I myself am a victim of this), and playing whore to the corporate marketeers that are quickly overwhelming this site -- for example, bigger, uglier banner ads that interrupt the website, "web bug" images from doubleclick including many spying cookies, and selling our email addresses to spammers.

      You want professional journalism, try Kuro5hin.org or Geekizoid.com.

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    5. Re:Little Excessive by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      OK, I tried that, and it felt good. Thanks for the suggestion! I'm bleeding quite profusely from my buttocks and look much like our beloved Mr. Goatse, but damn! Did I ever have a good orgasm! Do you have any other suggestions to enhance my sexual enjoyment of frozen metal sporting goods? I look forward to finding out what clever uses your colorful imagination can dream up!

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    6. Re:Little Excessive by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 2
      Well, I see your point.

      But would it be OK to call them "those who, for apparent compensation of fiscal cash contributions, perform in return a service, said service being analogized to that of a sexual nature, due to the presumed pleasure obtained by the servicee, and also in part due to the negative, dominance, connotation of the sale of the service"?

      I once was chastized using a phrase involving pimping for censorware. The objection was that this terminology was unfair to pimps :-).

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    7. Re:Little Excessive by xenoweeno · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The editors didn't call him a corporate whore. The person who submitted the story, L. J. Beauregard, did. Note the quotation marks.

    8. Re:Little Excessive by ender81b · · Score: 1

      But the editors are the ones who posted that on the front page. Ergo..

    9. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ergo, you should only go fuck yourself with a very large object. Perhaps a nice splintery telephone pole would suffice to fill your gaping anal orifice?

      Enjoy.

    10. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:Little Excessive by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1

      You do realise, that anyone of those people you hate so much, could print out these threads where people like to voice their oppinions and aim vulgarity at the people whos mind's we need to sway, and submit them during their hearings, to completely discredit us as raving lunatics in said hearings.. use your brain.. Vent all you want, but chose your words carefully, cos in then end they could just as easily come back and bite us all in the ass.

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    12. Re:Little Excessive by YourMissionForToday · · Score: -1

      You know what you're doing! Funny little dried up bastard!

    13. Re:Little Excessive by deverox · · Score: 1

      In regards to it doesn't make you look very professional or worthy of respect when you result to cheap tactics like this.
      If you checked the definition of whore you see that it is valid to represent a whore as:
      A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain. which is obviously what Sen. Hollings is out for with his bill.

      Ignorance is something stupid people use often

    14. Re:Little Excessive by Issue9mm · · Score: 2

      And you would prefer what? That the editor censored it because it wasn't a publicly accepted/acceptable viewpoint? Moved on to another post that didn't contain the offending remark?

      The editor was submitted a story that should appeal to the editor's intended audience. The submitter made statements that the editor may or may not disagree with. The editor approved the story as it was, as opposed to censoring it in any way.

      It's my humble opinion that the editor did right by the submitter, and right by the audience.

      -9mm-

    15. Re:Little Excessive by vvikram · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i totally agree with you. it IS excessive.

      when i read it first i was pretty shocked as to whether this was slashdot or some other web-crap.

      1) let another person be in the wrong. i think it doesnt behoove us [submitter, editor , whoever] to react like that.

      2) dont put yourself in the slime just because the other party is slime.

      3) also remember responsibility is something that is proportional to the number of people involved. when you have thousands of people it really isnt nice to air sentiments like this publically.

      4) it also dilutes the point. here we are discussing something totally different from the actual post which was relevant, important and DOES constitute news but delivered wrong.

      5) i say my share of swear words but yes it _is_ relative and idealism doesnt hold water here. imagine the president standing up and swearing like hell in the speech or your parents doing that while they talk. you have to look a little further than your freedom if its going to turn a public nuisance

      my sincere opinion. thanks.

      V

    16. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seth, this is your dead mom, give me back my dildo.

    17. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Consider how many of us are capable of poltieness, get our submissions rejected, your opinion is just add odds with reality. Do you think such a noteworthy story would not make it to the Front Page? If this little foul-mouthed poster did not get a post, others would not?


      Consider reality.

    18. Re:Little Excessive by acceleriter · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the people using those vulgar words are shills for the other side? Since this is for all intents and purposes an anonymous forum, that's exactly the argument I'd make if the threads were printed out and presented in the manner you describe. There are lots of ways to astroturf--just reading some of the shills for the intellectual property lobby and Microsoft make it pretty obvious that's happening right now.

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    19. Re:Little Excessive by truesaer · · Score: 1

      There are tons of duplicate submissions for things like this. The editor could use a little common sense and pick one that is reasonable.

    20. Re:Little Excessive by aozilla · · Score: 1

      And you would prefer what? That the editor censored it because it wasn't a publicly accepted/acceptable viewpoint? Moved on to another post that didn't contain the offending remark?

      It's not that it was offensive, it's that it was childish and useless. What would be preferred is someone like timothy actually putting a little work into his job, and maybe writing his own summary if there were none handy.

      But why bother? Ultimately as long as we keep bringing in the ad revenue, slashdot doesn't have any incentive to grow the fuck up.

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    21. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I liked it and so did a bunch of other people. I can't believe people whine so much about the articles that get/don't get posted, when they get posted (oh, that's OLD news, *whimper*), and the wording of it.

      YOU HAVE TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS IF YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT SOMETHING THIS MINOR.

    22. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really should've taken the 10 seconds to look the word up in the dictionary before posting and looking like a complete self-righteous, bible-thumping idiot.

    23. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finni writes "You should note that the 'whore' comment was, in fact, in italics. This indicates that it was written by the submitter, not the editor."

    24. Re:Little Excessive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? You forget you're not at the Economist's site - this is ./ and it's not supposed to be objective.

    25. Re:Little Excessive by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

      ... I know what I'm doing, but I refuse to take off every zig.

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  26. Don't hate me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, don't hate me just because you're stupid.

    Hate me because I am always right and YOU are always wrong.

  27. Stand by for shaft aft. by eyegor · · Score: 1

    It's becoming very fashionable to bash Senator Hollings "brain"-child. It's was so outragous a proposal that anything less(no matter how badly it bodes for us) would seem "reasonable" by comparison.

    I wouldn't fear the current legislation, I'd watch out for the seemingly more moderate bills that are sure to follow. If our beloved under-secretary of commerce (or whatever) thinks the DMCA is well-balanced, then we're sure to see more of the same in coming days.

    Be on your toes and don't let down your guard.

    Remember: when they want you to "comprimise" it really means they want you to give up half of what you have. All they need is a few cycles of that, and pretty soon, you have nothing.

    The anti-gun crowd has been using that tact for quite a while and painting those who refuse to play the game as unreasonable. Expect the same treatment.

    They'll get my Linux Distro when they pry it from my cold, dead disk drive!

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  28. Re:Fascism my ass by dammy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Fascism is a brand of socialism. If you want to fear Fascism, go fear your nearest socialist getting any more power then they already have.

    The Pres is NEVER voted in by popular vote. To become POTUS, the delegates of the Electorial College have to elected the person. Nixon could have been a soar loser to JFK, but he bowed out of it in an honorable method. No demanding recounts in Chicago which could have thrown Ill back Nixon because Nixon didn't want to look like a soar loser. Pity Gore didn't have that type of style.

    The whole issue of IE intergration is a red hearring. Dual Boot issue should have been the main charge of monopolistic practices. IMO, I really don't care if M$ walks cleanly away. I have Linux, what the hell do I need M$ for?

    As far as the other charges of homeless, hunger, health, you better look at the previous administration cuz Bush hasn't changed a damn thing yet as he is continuing Clinton/Gore's policies. That's right, Clinton signed all the above into law. After 8 years of Cliton, the US has nothing to show for it, and that is real shame.

    Dammy

  29. Re:Corporate whores? Indeed. by ChadN · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Replace "customers" with "citizens". The DMCA is not just anti-consumer (which some could legitimately debate), but removes rights that citizens previously had (reverse engineering, study, personal use, etc.) You can infringe and be guilty, even without ever having a "customer" relationship with the sellers (you may just be curious).

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  30. diaper_tales! by diaper_tales · · Score: -1

    Tammy woke me up and was changing my diaper before I was fully aware of my surroundings. "Wake up sleepy head." I yawned and Tammy carried me to the kitchen and put me in my highchair. Tammy fed me some oatmeal and orange juice in my baby bottle. Mom said good morning to me and gave me a hug. Dad was home from work today. He had some extra vacation time and so he took off so He could work on a few things around the house.

    After I was done eating I got my backpack and walked down the street to the bus stop. When I got their I saw Laura standing their. "Hi Laura. How are you? Where is Emily?" "I'm good. I don't know where she is." "Oh here she comes." "Hi Emily." I shouted. "Hi Laura, Hi Tiffany." We talked for a while and the bus came and we got on and took our seats.

    "Hey you know what Tiffany?" "What Laura?" "Halloween is this Friday. What are you going to dress up as?" I thought for a second. "Oh, I know, I will dress up as a baby. I mean I will wear my diaper and plastic pants with nothing over it, I will wear my baby clothes, and have my bib on and my pacifier around my neck. I will even put my hair up in pig tails." "Hey that sounds so cute. Maybe all three of us can be babies for Halloween." "Yeah that'd be so cool!"

    When we got to school we went to our class and sat down. Our teacher took attendance and then began teaching. We went to recess and then back to class. Before lunch our teacher talked to us about something special we were going to do this week. "As you all know, Friday is Halloween. I thought it would be nice if we had a Halloween party on Friday afternoon after recess. A lot of the other classes are going to have parties too. We will dress up in our Halloween costumes the whole day and I will even read a ghost story to the class after lunch before recess, and before the Halloween party. So how does this sound to you all?" The whole class was excited and we all agreed that'd be really fun!"

    Soon it was lunch. Laura, and Emily and I all three had wet diapers and so we went to the nurse's office before going to lunch. When we got there Mrs. Peters was back. "Hi Mrs. Peters, we missed you a lot. I am glad you are better." "Well thank you Tiffany. I missed you all. What is this? There is a third person to be changed?" "Um yeah, this is my Friend Laura. She was sick for a few days and her mom let her be in diapers because it was easier for her to go in her diapers than to get up and go to the potty when she wasn't feeling well. Now she likes them and her mom said she could be in diapers along with Emily and I." "Well welcome aboard Laura!" "Thanks Mrs. Peters." So why don't you three come back here and I will change you. As usual we lined up, Laura, then Emily, then me. I don't know why I was always last. Probably because I was in diapers the longest, and Emily second longest, and Laura was new at it. Sometimes we'd line up depending on who had poopy diapers and who just had wet diapers. But anyway we got changed and went to lunch.

    When we got to the cafeteria there was no line. So we went right through and got our food and found an empty table in the corner. After we were eating a while some kid threw a French fry at Laura. "Hey stop that!" "No you big baby, come over here and make me." "Just ignore him Laura, he's a jerk!" Just then a french-fry hit me in the back of the head. "Ok, I've had it. You people always make fun of me and my friends just because we are different. Well no body is perfect. Everyone has differences. So stop being such a jerk!" The boy got up and pushed me down and I fell on the floor. "Oh hell no you don't!" Emily yelled as she got up and threw her roll at the boy and then came up and hit him. "ALRGIGHT! That will be enough of that. Go to the office, and NOW!"

    I was crying and Emily was really mad. They sent Laura down there too and the boy that started the fight. When we were in the principals office I kept crying. "So what happened here?" Laura spoke up. "We were sitting at our table and he threw a french-fry at me. I told him to stop. Then he threw one at Tiffany. Then tiffany got upset and yelled at him and his friends. Then the boy pushed her. She fell down and started crying and then Emily got up and threw a roll at him and punched him in the face." "Ok thank you Laura. You and Tiffany may go outside and wait for Emily. I need to have a talk with her." "Yes sir." We both left. I was still sobbing.

    We sat in the secretary's office and Laura held me as I was sobbing and laying my head on her shoulder. She comforted me and I started to feel better. "That boy was mean. I hope Emily doesn't get in trouble for hitting him, because he started it first." "Yeah I know."

    A few minutes later Emily came out of the office. She had tears coming down her face. "Come here Emily." I said as I walked up to her and gave her a hug and held her. Laura came to the side and put her arms around both of us. "Everything will be ok. Don't cry Emily." "So what happened?" "He told me that I have to stay after school today and write an apology to that boy." "No way! He started it." I said. Emily was still crying. "Ok look, let's just go back to class. It will be ok Emily. If your mommy asks what happened, we will tell her. Ok?" I hugged Emily and we both walked to class. By this time lunch was over.

    At afternoon recess Emily was still mad. "Hey Emily, you know what?" "What Tiffany?" "You need to forgive him for getting you into trouble. Because that's what I learned in Sunday school. Jesus wants us to forgive our enemies and to do good to those that hurt us. I have forgiven him for being mean to me, and now you should let it go to. It will make you feel better, I promise." "Yeah, maybe you're right, but I'm still mad though." "I know, it's not easy, but you can do it." I gave her a hug. When we were on our way back to class Emily came over to him and said that she forgave him. "I didn't apologize you dork, go away." He said. "Well either way, I am not gonna get upset over someone like you. But just leave me and my friends alone. We don't bother you, so don't bother us ok?" "Yeah I guess so. Ok fine." "Thank you." "Yeah whatever."

    "Well that didn't' really go as well as I hoped but at least I forgave him and it's not my problem anymore." "Yep, see, I told you." "Thanks Tiffany, for everything." "Aww, you are welcome." We finished our class work and went home. Emily stayed and went to the office. As Laura and I boarded the bus we both realized that our diapers were pretty soaked but it was to late to go for a change or we'd miss the bus.

    So we sat down and as the bus started going, so did we! We both wet our diapers more and they felt so squishy. We kept checking our bottom's to see if it leaked. Laura was a little bit wet on her tushie. I told her I'd walk behind her when we got off the bus so no one could see. Finally we got off.

    We walked to my house and Laura wet again and this time her diaper leaked and she got soaked. I did the same. Now we both stood there on the side of the road with soaked diapers and wet pants. We both said by and hurried home before anyone noticed us.

    I came in the door and mom was on the couch. "My goodness, what happened to you?" "I peed my diaper so much that it leaked." "Well I see that. Why didn't you go to the nurses office and get changed?" "We had just got on the bus and it was to late to go back. Laura leaked too." "Oh my. Well come on then let's go get you changed into a dry dipee." "Otay mommy." "So how was your day?" "it was ok accept for lunch time. Some kid started a fight with us and Emily punched him in the mouth and had to stay after school. He deserved it too because he threw food at Laura and I. He pushed me and I fell on the floor too mommy." "Oh my goodness, what a terrible day, you poor baby. Come here let mommy cuddle with you and make it all better ok?" "Otay mommy, me like that.

    I cuddled in her arms and she held me and rocked me to sleep and put me in my crib for a nice nap. Tammy came in and woke me before dinner. "Hey I heard about your day. I'm sorry you got picked on. How's Emily?" "I guess she's ok. She was mad at him and hit him. But I told her to forgive him like Jesus taught us to in the Bible." "Well good. I am glad. She needs a friend like you. I am glad you didn't hit him when he pushed you. That really made me proud, and also God too." "Aww thanks Tam Tam. I love you." "OH baby, I love you too." She gave me a kiss and a hug and then took me out to the living room and sat on the couch with me and waited for dinner to be ready.

    Mom called us a few minutes later. Tammy put me in my highchair and we ate. It was so yummy! After a while I began to squirm around in my highchair. "I bet I know what you're doing." Tammy said while feeding me my peaches. I blushed and looked down at the tray. "Oh honey, are you gonna make poo in your diaper at the dinner table?" "Yes mommy." I leaned back and pushed on my tray with my hands and made faces as I pushed and finally loaded my diaper. "You're gonna have to sit in that messy diaper until after dinner because I'm not changing that or I'll lose my appetite." Tammy said. "Oh yucky, but ok I don't really mind. Sometimes me like to sit in it for a lil bit but not too long though ok?" "We'll be done soon honey." Mom said.

    We had desert and then Tammy got me out of the highchair and took me to my room and took off the yucky diaper and wiped me and then carried me into the bathroom and sat me on the floor while she drew my bath water. Once it was just right I hopped in the tub. "Now there will be no splashing me this time you hear me?" I grinned at her. She gave me my bath and then dried me off and diapered me. She put me in my jammies and then went to finish some of her homework.

    I called Emily to see how she was doing. Her mom answered and I explained everything that happened. Her mom was sort of upset with Emily but I told her that Emily defended me because that boy was pushing me and I fell on the floor." "Well I can understand that. I am not really mad, I just don't like to see Emily get into trouble." "I know." "Well anyway here is Emily, you can talk to her. She is doing ok now, but she was upset that she had to stay after school today." Her mom thanked me for talking to her and then handed the phone to Emily.

    Emily and I talked and then mom told me I needed to get ready for bed. Tammy stopped working on her work for a while and got my teeth brushed and made sure I was dry and ready for bed. I told her that I needed a hug. She held me and rocked me a while and hummed softly to me and then put me in my crib. I fell right to sleep.

    The next day went by very slowly because we were anticipating Halloween and the party at school and also the party that I was going to after school. Emily and Laura were excited too. After school that day we all met at my house and with my mom's help we got our costumes ready for school and for the party tomorrow. We ordered pizza and watched a movie too. When it got dark my mom piled us all in the car and took Laura and Emily to their houses. They each had their costume in a paper bag so they could get ready the next morning.

    After dropping them off, we got home. Tammy gave me a bath and got me ready for bed. "You're going to have to get up a little earlier tomorrow so we can get you in your costume." I smiled and I could hardly wait. After Tammy tucked me in I couldn't fall asleep. She read me 2 stories and hummed to me. "Well I see you won't go to sleep so why don't you just come over to my room and lay in bed with me and watch TV for a little while. Then we can just fall asleep and I'll wake you up when I get up. That way you can get ready for your big day ok?"

    So off we went to Tammy's room. I watched TV and fell asleep by 10 o'clock. The next morning I woke up and Tammy changed my diaper and mom came in to the room and they both got my costume on me. Then I had breakfast. Tammy left for school and I left early too. I went to Laura's house and she was ready early so we both went to Emily's house. We waited for her for a couple minutes while her mom was getting her costume on. "You girls will be the cutest in the whole school today." We smiled and thanked her.

    Five minutes later we left and went to the bus stop. When the bus pulled up and we boarded, the kids laughed at us. "Wow Is this the pre-school stop or the elementary?" the bus driver said jokingly. We smiled. We took our seats. A lot of kids had costumes. Some were princesses, some were animals and different cartoon characters and so on. A lot of the girls commented on how cute we looked when we dressed as babies.

    We got off the buss and as we were walking to our class many teachers and students gave us compliments on our outfits. Some kids made fun of us but it was Halloween so we got away with this. "Don't you wish we could dress like this all the time Tiffany?" "Yeah Laura, this is great!" Emily smiled and agreed with us. As class started the teacher was looking at all of us in our various costumes. "Wow you three girls really look cute!" our teacher said to us.

    We had classes as normal, then recess and more classes then lunch time. Of course as usual we went to get our diapers changed. Laura did number two in her diaper as I was on the changing table and Emily was already changed and standing there. "Um Laura? You're going poo aren't you?" She blushed. Mrs. Peters overheard her and said, "Oh my goodness, I better get some more wipies for those poopoo dipees." We all giggled. Finally, we were all changed and went to lunch and ate.

    After lunch our teacher read us some ghost stories and stuff. It was pretty neat. We even had the lights turned off and had some pumpkins lighting up the room. Later we went to recess and when we came back in the room was rearranged and we had all our desks put into a long table with a table cloth and candles and decorations. The teacher and some other people from the office got all the rooms ready for their different Halloween parties.

    We all sat down and they gave us some candy and some cupcakes and we even had some prizes for different games we played. We had lots of punch and I wet my diaper several times as did Emily and Laura. The bell rang and we left and went to our bus. Again we forgot to go get changed and it was to late. This time we all three leaked even while on the bus. And since we were just in diapers and rubber pants you could see the yellow area where our pee was in the bottom of the diaper. As we got off the bus a lot of kids were like "Eww, your diapers are soaked and leaking!" We even had wet areas on our seat. We giggled and tinkled our diapers some more. By the time we got home, pee was running down our legs. We stopped at my house and my mom saw us. "OH my gosh! You girls are soaking dripping wet in your diapers! Come in here and Ill change you." She had us all three lay down at the entrance because it was tile and she didn't want us to leak on the carpet. It was cold laying on the tile. Tammy came over to us and took off our diapers and mom came back out with more and they diapered us again. "Wow you girls need to make sure you stop at the nurse's office before you come home when your diapers are already wet." "Yeah we will mom." "Thanks for changing us." Laura said. "Yeah thanks." Emily said. Emily and Laura left and I took a nap because I was going to go to a party after dinner. I fell right to sleep.

    Tammy came in and got me up from my nap. We had dinner and Tammy put me in double diapers and my pink plastic pants. This way if I wet or messied in my diaper it wouldn't be as noticeable. I even carried a diaper bag with me in addition to my other baby stuff. Emily was going the same way. Laura was also in diapers but she didn't have a diaper bag. We said we'd share ours with her.

    Mom dropped us off at the party. All the parents and kids thought we were so cute. We even one prizes for our costumes being original. We had a lot of fun hanging out and playing games. Towards the end of the party we all had our diapers pretty soaked. We went into a room off to the side and were playing spin the bottle. We made up a rule that if the bottle pointed to Laura, Emily or me, that that person would have to change our diaper, and then give us a kiss. It was so funny because this one boy that gave us a hard time the other day had to change Emily's soaking wet diaper. We all laughed at him and he was embarrassed. "I bet he'll never mess with us again." I whispered in Laura's ear. She nodded.

    Finally we all went home. Emily's mom came to pick us all up and we went to get some ice cream and then went home. I had lots of candy and prizes from today. Tammy tucked me in for bed. I was so tired I didn't even want a bath. Since I was in double diapers I talked Tammy into letting me stay in my soaking wet diapers over night so I could enjoy them more.

    She finally got me to go to sleep which was amazing because of all the sugar in my system. I woke back up in the middle of the night and had to go poo really bad. I held it a while and then totally messy din my diapers. I was tinkling a lot too from all the soda and punch I had the day before. My inner diaper was totally soaked through and my second diaper was beginning to swell up to. I felt the huge thick bulge of the diapers between my legs. Not to mention having my whole bottom loaded with mushy poo and soaked with my warm pee trapped in those thick diapers. For the first time that night I felt some sensations in my diapers that I never had felt before. My body was shaking. I moved my legs apart and then together. I finally went back to sleep.

    By the time I woke up Saturday morning I couldn't even close my legs because the diapers were swelled up. I had poo all up my back and it came out of the diaper and onto my jammies. I felt all itchy and yucky. I smelted so terrible too. "Mommy! Help me! I got really gross diapers!"

    Shortly after that mom came in. "Oh my, does it smell in here! YUCK! Honey you really loaded your diaper didn't you?" I was blushing. "What are you still doing in your diapers from last night?" "I wanted to keep both of them on." "They were already wet though before you went to bed." "I know but I liked it mommy and I wanted them to get thick and soaked over night."

    She picked me up and saw that I had poop all over my back and my shirt and in the crib. "Oh my! Tammy!!!! Tammy!!! Come in here I need help. Your sister has a horrible mess in her diapers and in her crib!" Tammy came in the room and smelled the smell like mom did. "Eww! Tiffy, you are yucky. "You get the bedding off of her crib and I'm gonna take her outside and take off the diaper and take the hose all over her and then I will come in and you can bathe her while I treat these sheets to get the stains out." "Ok mom." Tammy was half asleep still but she went ahead and did as mom asked her to.

    Mom held me away from her as she carried me to the back door. We went out behind the porch. She took the hose out. "Ok Tiffany, I want you to turn around as I soak you down and get you cleaned up. She turned the hose on and wet my shirt and put the hose down the front of my diaper. "mommy this is cold!" "I know honey, I'm sorry, but you are so messy."

    Then mom sat the hose down and pulled off my shirt. Then she slid off my jammies and my rubber pants. She took the hose and squirted them off. "Ok honey now I want you to squat down over here in the flower bed." She then unpinned my loaded diapers and they fell to the ground. She sprayed my hiney with the hose. It felt weird being naked in the backyard getting sprayed with the hose. "Ok now lay down on your tummy on the grass honey." I laid down she took the hose all over from my back down to my legs making sure she washed away all the yucky poo. "Ok now turn over on your back and spread your legs. This is gonna feel weird but it'll get you clean." "Ok mommy." I rolled over and she took the hose and sprayed from my chest down to my tummy and then between my legs. I giggled because it tickled me a lot and I started to squirm around. "You're ticklish there aren't you honey?" mom said teasingly.

    She had me stand up and she gave me a good soaking from head to toe. Tammy came out with a towel and dried me and wrapped me up and carried me inside to get re-diapered. Tammy then put new sheets on the crib while mom prepared to wash the messy ones. Tammy fed me breakfast and we watched cartoons together. "Honey, I think that was the yuckiest diaper you've ever had." I blushed. "Yeah it was. I sowwy." "It's ok. Not your fault. I mean when you gotta go, you gotta go. Right?" "Yeppers."

    Tammy put me down for a nap. I slept great. She came in and changed my diaper. "Did you sleep well baby?" "Yes I did." "Very good. Well it's din din time." "Otay Tam Tam." We Sat down at the table and I was in my highchair. We had a yummy dinner and desert was yummy too.

    After dinner I went to Emily's house. I talked to her about my day and she talked to me about hers also. I went home later and Tammy got me ready for bed. She tucked me in and we talked for a little bit. "Well you'd better get some sleep. We have church tomorrow." "Ok. Goodie. "Ok sweetie, now go to sleep." She gave me a kiss and left the room.

  31. Re:Fascism my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You RAGING moron. Fascism has no relation whatsoever to socialism. Missed out on PoliSci 101, did you?

    Do please go kill yourself and do the world a favor.

  32. Corporate whore? by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, I see, anyone who doesn't agree with you is a whore. That's a great way to win over people's minds. yup.

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  33. Ermm.. anyone else notice this part of the story.. by bleh-of-the-huns · · Score: 1
    Club Fed for life: A vote on life imprisonment for malicious hackers has been postponed. The House Judiciary committee was supposed to consider the Cyber Security Enhancement Act this week, but postponed a vote until next week because of a full schedule. A subcommittee has already approved the bill, after rewriting it to cover more types of computer intrusions.
    Err.. This seems a little bit on the harsh side.. what so they plan on doing with said criminals... put em in with the murderers and rapists in a maximum security prison.. hell while there at it.. why not go for the death penalty... This really does suck.. and people wonder why I.. as an American, and sometimes proud to be one, am applying for my citizenship in a European country. Uggg
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  34. Such great timing. by Peridriga · · Score: 2

    The comic strip User Friendly has a great strip today about the DMCA..

    Spoiler: It is 'violate the DMCA' sung to the theme song of YMCA...(Muh haw-hahaha) :-P

    1. Re:Such great timing. by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Ah, great.. now look what you've made me do. I should really have left for work by now. Instread I'm reading user friendly backwards.

  35. Poop! by Serial+Troller · · Score: -1

    Poop!

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  36. Pixel of Ralph JewHater Nader's GOTHIC white wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good lord, no wonder Ralph JewHater Nader reads slashdot so much. With a wife like this, who can't blame him! Everyday, i'm sure it feels like: HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM...

  37. Go and fuck yourselves! by Bitter+Old+Man · · Score: -1
    Eat shit and die, every last one of you!

    Goodnight!

  38. CBDTPA is a strawman. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has to be. Hollywood and RIAA flunkys end up
    looking good to their masters, everyone else can
    vote against it and claim to be watching out for
    consumers.

    Is this just a bit of theater for our benefit?

  39. I wanna be a big ol' corporate ho bag... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But not in this country when all taxes originate @ their doorstep. I'm going to log an objection simply because I believe that the investment in said legislation will cost MUCH more than any benefits gained by supposed resultant increases in security. The government is simply too far behind the curve to craft a document that might possibly have a deterring effect, and are attempting to make up for being technically illiterate via creative writing. I'm really happy to see you guys flapping your arms around, but the vast majority who get their nuts cut off by these efforts are overwhelmingly law abiding, tax paying citizens. *RING* - oh wait, satan just called and said it's a groovy idea, but can we add FTP, rcp, scp and the entire UDP protocol to the list of illegal online activities, right after ping and any response which can be interpreted as ACK? So what the hell, I resind the above comment...

  40. Re:Ermm.. anyone else notice this part of the stor by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just wait till the apply it to portscans. But hey, there's a war against terror! You can be an Enron exec and squander the life savings of thousands of employees away, but I doubt that there will be more than 10 years of jail time done between the lot of them. However, a 19 year old script-kiddie gets a little full of beans and brings down a couple Exchange servers, and it's a lifetime of forced sodomy for him. Yet people still believe in the "justice" system - why the hell not, we get the best justice money can buy!

  41. DMCA /is/ a product of whoredom. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now maybe not too polite to call the guy a whore but it's not really stretching the truth either.

  42. Nothing to get excited about by inkswamp · · Score: 1

    This just strikes me as more of the predictable political stances we've come to expect over the last two decades or so. Let's see... a Republican president/administration voicing concern about a bill that is headed up by a Democrat.

    I don't give any single politician points for standing on principle here or an iota of credibility. IMO, it's more of the standard attitude, that "it's coming from the other guys so we're suspicious of it" posturing that is so typical.

    Just be thankful for now that a Democrat is the one behind this bill (gah... never thought I'd hear myself say that!) If this were a bill being pushed by a Republican, we'd be in deep shit right now.

    --Rick

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    1. Re:Nothing to get excited about by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since when are we not in deep shit? The democrats are more than willing to trade some pork barrel tax dollars to get it passed.

    2. Re:Nothing to get excited about by October_30th · · Score: -1
      If this were a bill being pushed by a Republican, we'd be in deep shit right now.

      Could it be that the Republicans are trashing this "Democrat" bill just in order to introduce a similar bill later on? That way they get to snub the Democrats and still get the industry's gratitude for introducing the bill.

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  43. Scary, but slightly relevant omen. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    I loaded up slashdot, and at the top it said...

    This page was generated by a Squad of RIAA Goons for NoMoreNicksLeft (516230).

    It's too late, they've already taken over.

  44. Unreal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the CSEA passes, all Americans should start worrying. It would indicate our government composed of unreasonable men. Or sufficiently ignorant to be a threat to the way of life we are accustomed to living.

    Maybe this will turn out to be just another strawman law, that will be knocked down to
    create the appearance of moderate thinking.

  45. Something à la Blue Ribbon Campaign by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If this sort of thing of thing was taken up by someone like the EFF and then if the fair use equivalent of the 'blue-ribbon' campaign was started, then it would show how people felt about things.

    This time though we should be producing 'stickers' , 't-shirts' and stuff that people can show and wear in the real world where it will get off-line people taking notice.

    Any ideas for a mascot or a logo?

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  46. Hitler was elected into office. by silentbozo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Check your history books. Your fascist example, Hitler, was democratically elected by the people of Wiemar Germany. Whether a leader was elected by a majority of the people or not has little or no bearing on whether that government or leader is considered fascist. Instead, consider the actions and the policies of that government.

    As far as I'm concerned, with the exception of environmental and science issues, the current government is better than life under Clinton. Having to deal with the likes of Boxer and Feinsten in the Senate is enough - no need to give them free access to the White House!

    1. Re:Hitler was elected into office. by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Um, we have a shiny new 100 billion dollar deficit, a neverending "war" on a common noun that gives an administration carte blanc to imprison whomever they want for eternity, a destroyed retirement system, annihilated environmental oversight, corporate takeover of every significant oversight agency, the Christian Right trying for its final takedown of our culture, a President who's predicating his foreign policy on Armaggedon after Israel's ascendancy, a thorough takeover of the most influential popular press by the same people who brought us Whitewater, Foster, Travelgate, and all the other lies, a White House press corps who will not do their job, a "war" where more journalists than soldiers are dying because the administration is openly hostile to their operations and are refusing transport and succor -- hell, let's just call it a little private war, no records allowed, a president who has sealed his own records and all other presidential records (except Clinton's -- of course!) for all eternity, an Attorney General who 1) breaks the law by pronouncing guilt on Walker, ruining the case 2) decides God triumps the voters in Oregon, and 3) is running his own Biblical agenda on America, and last but not least, a president who was selected by Federalist Society judges who are running a very active war to change America into their own concept of a Christian conservative state. And no, Bush was not elected. The NYT story and most of the others that reported that Bush won the recount were extremely erroneous. Frankly, if you exclude the military vote illegally cast after the election was over, Gore would have won. In the majority of the scenarios, Gore won. If the election officials had been allowed to do their job in Florida, the overvotes would have been counted, and those alone would have overwhelmed the "undervotes" and given Gore the election.

      So, to sum up; 8 years of prosperity and peace, with a healed Social Security system, gone. Presently, a President selected into office by a dirty network of far-right wingers, including 4 on the SCOTUS, has declared the Forever War, knocked out at least three articles of the Bill of Rights, sealed his records so no one can see what he's done, and give the foxes the keys to the henhouse corporatewise. And to top it off, he's a bloody idiot who can't even speak without a speech written by his handlers. We're governed by a fool controlled by smart amoral men.

      And we're better off? HOW???

    2. Re:Hitler was elected into office. by bnenning · · Score: 2
      You aren't Paul Begala, are you?


      Um, we have a shiny new 100 billion dollar deficit, a neverending "war" on a common noun that gives an administration carte blanc to imprison whomever they want for eternity


      All of which have full bipartisan support. In fact, most of the complaints about the Patriot Act I hear come from conservatives who are rightly concerned with what someone like Hillary could do with that expanded power.


      The NYT story and most of the others that reported that Bush won the recount were extremely erroneous. Frankly, if you exclude the military vote illegally cast after the election was over, Gore would have won.


      Ok, I'll trust your obviously impartial opinion over the detailed studies of several left-leaning newspapers. Or not. If all the legal military votes had been counted, Bush would have won by even more. I'm really not interested in getting into the whole postmark/consent decree thing again, but everyone except those completely blinded by their hatred of Republicans has accepted the repeatedly verified results and moved on.


      8 years of prosperity and peace, with a healed Social Security system, gone.


      Those are some impressive drugs you have. Clinton inherited a good economy from GHWB (yes, we were well out of recession before the 1992 elections), managed not to screw it up too badly thanks to Republicans blocking his more destructive plans (i.e. HillaryCare), and handed W a failing economy which is now largely turned around. Regarding peace, Clinton repeatedly failed to deal effectively with terrorism, unless blowing up asprin factories is an innovative military strategy I'm unfamiliar with. Social Security was never financially sound (you don't really believe there's a "trust fund", do you?), and never will be until it is shifted from a pay-as-you-go Ponzi scheme into an actual investement program. Of course liberals can't allow that since it means fewer retired people dependent on government, and thus fewer Democrat votes.


      Presently, a President selected into office by a dirty network of far-right wingers, including 4 on the SCOTUS


      Hmm, since the relevant SCOTUS ruling was 7-2, does that mean that 3 of the noble and pure left-wingers were in on the plot as well?


      give the foxes the keys to the henhouse corporatewise


      The best you guys can come up with is Enron, which is instructive because there is no indication whatsoever that they received any assistance from the Bush administration. And even if they did, I'd much prefer that our politicians are bought by American corporations than the Chinese military.


      Keeping this vaguely on topic, it has to be really annoying for you that virtually all the support for the CBDTPA comes from Democrats. I'd expect nothing less; since liberals acknowledge no limits on government power, when their campaign contributers tell them to destroy another industry for their own benefit, they will do so without hesitation. I'm disappointed that conservatives didn't stand up for the Constitution and oppose the DMCA, but at least they're standing up for free enterprise and opposing Hollings's abomination.

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  47. Yet another unenforcable attempt? by segfault_0 · · Score: 1

    Supposing that this legislation did pass, how the hell would you enforce it. Obviously it would push many legitimate programmers "underground" but isn't the underground big enough already?

    An whats to stop someone from opening a shell account offshore and building their software on that server. Can they legally restrict telecommunications to such a server? If not maybe I should invest in off shore shell accounts for development...

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  48. Re:Ermm.. anyone else notice this part of the stor by eyegor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Don't threaten doing a "Alec Balwin" and move away without fighting. At the risk of sounding like a rah-rah flag-waver, this is still the best country on the planet(although there might be an intelligent civilization elsewhere in the galaxy).

    Running away means you're taking yourself out of the fight (sheep-like behavior at best).

    The only way to beat these idiots and corporate whores is to become very vocal and present a well-reasoned arguement against these encroachments.

    If we act like immature jerks, we invalidate our own arguements and give the win to them.

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    Don't anthropomorphize computers, they don't like it.
  49. How bad is the DMCA? Getting around the DMCA? by MrMeanie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    /me prepares to get modded to -infinity....

    I should start by saying that I loathe the idea of the SSSCA/CBDTPA totally, since it would kill open source, and grant MS a monopoly as they
    own the patent on DRM tech in computers. Well, more of a monopoly than they already have =)

    But really, how bad is the DMCA (not CBDTPA)? Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that the DMCA affects me personally, and
    doesn't have to affect most GNU/Linux users.

    It seems to me that most posters here talk of the DMCA as if it is something which is impossible to escape. Its not. No one here relies
    on DVD movies, or the latest tasteless music from the record companies FOR THEIR SURVIVAL. There are alternatives. There is genuinely
    free music from the 'net (mp3.com, etc), or an indie movie festival. Maybe ifilm.com. You can avoid being affected by the DMCA simply
    by refusing to make use of protected content.

    So, the movie studios and recording industry want the DMCA to protect their content.... Blizzard wants to protected their game server....
    So what? Don't like it? Don't buy it, don't pirate it, and DON'T LISTEN TO/WATCH IT. You DO have a choice. Yes, that may mean not having
    Tron 2 (when its out) or LOTR, or Warcraft 3 or whatever the latest fad is, but if you really want to take the moral high ground with
    these people (media industry), simply crying "I like shiny things" wont help.

    For the record, I do think changes need to be made to the DMCA to prevent future cases like the Skyralov case or the Felten case. These
    are quite franly sickening; you should not be on dodgy legal ground just for doing encryption research. Some provisions need to be made
    for this.

    Otherwise, let them keep their stupid DMCA. =) It doesn't affect me, and it WONT AFFECT YOU IF YOU DON'T LET IT. =) The DMCA can ONLY be
    applied to specific works, unlike say software patents for instance.

    - MrMeanie

    P.S. Personally, I use GNU/Linux almost exclusively. I am currently coding an open source program. (not affected at all) I don't have
    any illegal MP3s on my system. (I like to take the moral highground and criticise the music recording industry :-P, and I think it
    would be hypocritical of me to complain about their efforts to 'protect' their content if I had illegal music on my system) Despite
    having a DVD drive in my computer, the only DVDs I have are cover discs from Linux format magazine. I have no DVD movies, because of
    the DMCA and lack of fair use rights; to play a DVD any way I want (ie on Linux) I would have to break the law, therefore I boycott
    them. I will continue to boycott any medium which disallows what is commonly called fair use. As far as I can see, I make use of NO
    protected content, therefore the DMCA has NO effect.

  50. The Hollings Bill is Alive and Well by mouthbeef · · Score: 1
    More evidence that the Hollings Bill (CBDTPA: Consume, But Don't Try Programming Anything) isn't going to pass this year, if at all. As I suspected, this bill is a smokescreen for the Broadcast Protection Discussion Group in Hollywood. Check this out:


    In a speech last week, [Commerce Department undersecretary for intellectual property] Rogan said that "negotiations are presently underway among hardware manufacturers and content owners to develop improved means for protecting online content," and legislators should wait for results before voting on a proposal such as the Hollings bill.


    "Before Congress rushes into the imposition of a legislative solution," Rogan said, "I hope its members will grant more time for the free market to find its own middle ground."



    Those negotiations are the BPDG, a consipiracy of 15-some tech and entertainment companies. They're writing a "standard" that they've asked Hollings to give the FCC the power to give the force of law to. It will be illegal to manufacture or distribute any device or software that can access digital broadcast TV if it doesn't meet the "standard."


    And what will the "standard" require? Well, for starters, all tech will have to be "tamper-resistant," which means that you won't be able to tinker with the hardware and software you own. Open source will be illegal.


    Those devices that are allowed will only be permitted to incorporate cables and media that limit copying. And new technologies will only be added to the list of permitted tech if Hollywood says so (the standard that the studios have proposed for evaluating new tech is "We'll know it when we see it").


    Imagine it: HDTV devices and computers that interface with them will only be allowed to incorporate broken technologies that Hollywood permits. If your computer monitor doesn't include the "approved" inputs, it will be against the law for your computer to output a digital video stream to it. The manufacturer will have two choices:

    1. Add a second input that uses a "protected" method (you'll need two wires to connect your computer to your monitor)
    2. Take away the "unprotected" input and just use one, "protected" wire, which means that you won't be able to buy a computer that allows you to do anything you want with the video that you make on your own

    We all got upset about the Hollings Bill because it would use the force of law to control how a computer could be made. The BPDG will do exactly that -- it's not a "free market middle-ground," it's Hollywood's absolute dominion over your machine.


    Don't let 'em fool you -- CBDTPA is just another way of spelling BPDG, and it's a-comin' soon. The BPDG says it'll have its standard finalized by May 17, and no one's even noticing. The BPDG meetings are public (though they cost $100 to attend). There's one coming up in LA on Monday, and wouldn't it be sweet if a couple hundred of us showed up to tell 'em what we think?

  51. DMCA Balanced? That says a lot by mikethegeek · · Score: 2

    If they think the DMCA is "balanced" and that CBDTPA isn't...

    Actually, there IS some balance in the DMCA, at least in the text (such as it's reverse-engineer for interoperability clause), but unfortunately, in the DeCSS case, Hillary Rosen and her merry bunch of IP cartel mangates were able to get the DMCA rewritten to not include that.

    The CBDTPA doesn't even have any pro-forma acknowlegement of ANY existance of "fair use". But, again, as the DMCA has been enforced so far, there has been NO balance.

    Why the commerce department is concerned, is very simple. This law would put the USA at a SERIOUS disadvantage in the world IT marketplace. It would with a stroke of a pen, put the slide rule makers in charge of the computer industry.

    It would make open source and free software as we know it illegal. And OSS is where much of the world's software marketshare growth has been occurring...

    It's also an incredibly dumb and bad law, one which will likely be almost universally disobeyed. Joe Consumer, who may not yet have been affected by the DMCA will be totally pissed by this.

    Indeed, even AFTER CBDTPA OS's and hardware comes out, it should be possible for an OS like Linux to completely bypass any such restrictions, as it is the OS, after all, that controls the hardware.

    Frankly, I'm amazed that this thing is even being introduced. There is already a lot of resistance to the DMCA, that is already opposed to this law. Also, academia is starting to get involved. The DMCA has already caused:

    1. A respected professor (Felten) to fear presenting an ACADEMIC PAPER.

    2. A whole application (DeCSS) to be banned simply because it COULD be used to break CSS encryption for the purpose of burning DVD's without it, ignoring the fact that *EVERY* DVD player ever sold does just this, and the fact that it's purpose was to allow the creation of an open source OS DVD player...

    Indeed, the introduction of DVD-R drives to the market, and the ease of copying DVD's on them pretty much destroys the circular logic used to convince "judge" Kaplan (who needed little convincing, he rather was looking for an excuse) to ban DeCSS.

    3. Has resulted in LINKS to sites not liked by the IP cartel being banned. This despite there is no legal precedent, and nothing in the DMCA that specifies this. This is by far the weakest part of so-called "judge" Kaplan's ruling.

    The Commerce department is more concerned with the market implications. No matter how much the US strongarms, there will be some place that doesn't have this law, and that country will have the chance to surpass ALL countrys with CBDTPA in IT, the largest growth industry in the world.

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  52. Re: Problem is (US economy...) by fferreres · · Score: 2

    This is highly speculative and relates to economic science, so please disregard the comment if you don't see my point. Here it is...

    I think the US economy needs it's people to pay $20 for 1 or 2 songs on each almbum that they like. They need you to spent $600 on office. In fact, they need you to spend most of your money on high profit consumer goods.

    Why? You that you can earn such a high income as a society. Because they can sell you 100^20 copies of office, 100^20 madonna CDs, and 100^20 CPUs without pushing the real sources much. On the other hand, real resources (food, houses, cars) can't grow much easily. They have a lower profit and really limited resources.

    So you can earn $20.000 a month, but if you don't spend much of it in stupid stuff (high profit = low marginal cost) then prices of real stuff would LIKE IT OR NOT, skyrocket. And you'll find you are all poor guys like in many countries. So to be rich, you need to HAVE TO PAY $20 a CD, $600 for office, $500 for photoshop and $20 a DVD. Then that money goes back to some coporations that buy REAL resources aboard. And you can then dominate.

    So my conclusion is that people in the US are better off buying CDs at $15 or $20 a piece, and paying a lot for software and anything that has huge profit margins. That dilutes the REAL spendings (low profit stuff, pushing resource limits) and allows the dolar and the US to "_expect_ this and that" from the rest of the world "or face the consecuences".

    Bottom line: don't complain, it's in your best interest to pay a lot for what IS CHEAP.

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  53. Too bad... by mikethegeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That the Founders weren't wise enough to end the Bill of Rights as it started:

    "Congress shall make no law"...

    Every law passed (and there are thousands every year), at the state, local, and federal level creates a new crime and takes away some freedom. And people wonder why we are becoming a Lawyerocracy?

    With the million or so laws on the books nationwide, it's IMPOSSIBLE for even the most law abiding citizen to go though any given day, week, month, or year without breaking many...

    Which is slavery. The law should be simple, and understandable by all.

    We are supposed to be a Republic, based on majority rule through representatives, with civil rights protected by a Constitution. Tell me, anyone, how the DMCA or CBDTPA serves the majority interest, or isn't contrary to the Constitution?

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    1. Re:Too bad... by ruheling · · Score: 1
      So when are you starting your own grass-roots lobbying organization? Or when are you running for Congress or a legislature ? Like it or not, laws are created in response to requests, these typically come from interest groups and lobbyists. If counter-requests and information aren't available to legislators in a format they can understand, they aren't going to know that there is another set of needs out there.

      Furthermore, not all laws "create crimes." Some laws are there to protect my (and your) rights - like those that prevent the government from prosecuting me just because I think the DMCA is bad legislation.

  54. Re: Problem is (US economy...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know if i understand this well. You mean, for example, that any country could (as an example) grow it's nation per capita income in $20, provided everyone in their society buys one more CD that previusly they previously bought?

    Then what matters next beign what the companies selling those CDs do with their money (taxes, pushing patent laws in other countries, etc?).

    Seems like a nice point i have never seen before...

  55. 3400+ Slashdotters Can't Be Wrong... by cybrpnk · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Do yourself a favor and check out a new month-old internet site called Serence. Since April 2002 they have had a free / no ads / no spyware download for your Windows desktop called Klipfolio and this thing is great. According to the site statistics 3400+ slashdotters have already downloaded the Slashdot Klip and after joining them today, I can see why. (No, I don't have any personal vested interest in this, I just think it's cool.) The Slashdot Klip stays on your desktop and downloads the XML feed from Andover/Slashdot containing current article headlines, alerting you when there is a new one. Klips from a few dozen other founding news sources with XML newsfeeds are also available in a scrolling, dockable, resizable, skinnable package. In the lower left corner of the previous link you can suggest a new klip feed to Serence you'd like to see - a great thing for you to do, the more sites that use this, the better for all of us. You can even start up your own personal Klip feed! Rack up your favorite sites in one desktop package and you are really in control...click on a headline, up comes the article, click on the site symbol, up comes the home page. Like any dot-com, Serence's success depends on market penetration and this is one idea I think deserves to be slashdotted so it has a shot at succeeding...

    Offtopic? Not really, the article I'm posting under went out as a Slashdot Klip headline. And what good is maxed out karma if not to risk it in spreading the word about a cool new Slashdot feature?

    1. Re:3400+ Slashdotters Can't Be Wrong... by bnenning · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Mac OS X users should check out SlashDock, which is also free and has similar functionality. It sits in the dock and polls the XML feeds of the sites you select (you can add new ones too), and flashes the icons of new stories when they appear.

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  56. View from the average American by Dunkalis · · Score: 1

    The CBDTPA essentially says: The RIAA and MPAA are good entities, and are being ripped off by the Internet, that was solely created for piracy. So, the only real solution is to turn the computer in to an expensive TV, and making anything that COULD be used for piracy, but probably isn't, illegal. Sad, but thats how the bill reads to me. THe average American would probably say the same thing. But guess what? Most don't even know what the CBDTPA is. FoxNEWS, CNN, and ABC are all owned by companies that back the CBDTPA. Its not going to get reported, and when geeks like us blast this bill after it passes(God Forbid), the news will tell people that piracy is a massive problem and that this bill doesn't do anything but eliminate it. If it passes, I'm convincing all my friends and family to buy brand-new state of the art systems that will last for many years and installing all the software I can get my hands on on these PCs. They can't take away those rights, can they? Then, when the bill becomes active, I'm sitting pretty with high-tech hardware, a DVD burner, Linux and many bits of software that the CBDTPA would outlaw. Of course, it may effect OSS, but since the code is available, you can just remove the offending code. Is it even enforcable? There are thousands of programs available at Sourceforge alone. Come on, the CBDTPA would require TETRIS games to have copy protection inside. If the bill passes, stock up on software and hardware. I mean, get a 1/2 terabyte RAID 0 array. Use Sorcerer/Gentoo and make a 100% updated version of Linux. Buy hundreds of CD-Rs. Build/Buy an MP3 Player. Get Filesharing programs, and share like mad. Buy any commercial software you need/want. Move, do whatever it takes to avoid the bill. Don't buy CDs. Don't buy movies. Go to concerts, and record your music live. There is NO way I want my computer to become an expensive TV. That can't record content. Send your senators mail, telling them to vote against it, or lose their jobs. It isn't the tech industry's job to solve another industry's problem. This bill would give them full rein over OUR computers and technology. Imagine going into a store, buying a CD, going home, putting it in your PC, and your PC tells you that you can only listen to it on a $200 CBDTPA CD Player. You can't rip the songs, and burn them to custom mixes or anything. And you can't play a DVD on your computer, but they have DVD-ROM content. Go figure. FIGHT THIS BILL, SINCE IT TURNS PCS INTO EXPENSIVE TVS!

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  57. Re:Something � la Blue Ribbon Campaign by MrBrklyn · · Score: 1
    The EFF is COMPLETELY inadequate for doing this, and has proven so time and time again....Let the EFF do what the EFF does, which is defending cases and being laywers.

    And let the PEOPLE do the PEOPLE's business, which is passing laws. We need a Tammany Hall like operation

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  58. Re:Restrictions on consumers OK, on business not-O by famazza · · Score: 2

    This shows (again) that the political system called by Americans as Democracy is not that democratic. Where is the statement "From the people, for the people"?

    The representatie system the way it is implemented today only represents big corporations and business associations, both capable of keeping expensive lobbies so the legislators can legislate as their will, not as the people needs.

    The status quo are supported including for those who controls the media. Ideas like this will never become popular. Don't let them control your opinion, think for yourselves.

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  59. CBDTPA a rouse to distract from the DMCA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, the CBDTPA, so ridiculous it has me wondering whether it's nothing more than a distraction from
    focusing on the DMCA. I mean, it seamed as things were starting to move or focus on the validity of the DMCA and then the CBDTPA came along... and then comments like this guy made proclaiming the DMCA as 'middle ground'. ugh.

  60. What's really happening here? by drok · · Score: 1
    We have heard that all the Congress Critters have heard from their constituents are negative comments about this bill. Thus, were the supporters actually to take it to a vote, it would die, and MPAA, et al would have practically zero negotiating power remaining when talking with the hardware manufacturers.

    So, instead, paying attention to this comment:

    In a speech last week, Rogan said that "negotiations are presently underway among hardware manufacturers and content owners to develop improved means for protecting online content," and legislators should wait for results before voting on a proposal such as the Hollings bill.

    We see that the Bush administration instead wants this settled out of public view, in secret negotiations.

    Yes, that would technically leave hardware manufacturers free to produce unencumbered devices, but that won't do any good when the mainstream media has copyright protections in the path of accessibility. Then it just becomes the whole deCSS case to view DVD's on unencumbered Linux all over again.

    As long as so-called content providers (MPAA, et al) can get a reasonable majority of the mainstream manufacturers to go along, there will be insufficient public outcry to stop them and those who don't wish to give up their fair use liberties will be left out in the cold.

    -Robert

  61. Idiot. by supabeast! · · Score: 2

    "...a claim that marks him for a corporate whore, but it seems that there are some things even whores won't do."

    Nice way to earn allies, asshole.

    "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

  62. Rogan is worse than CBDTPA by skidrash · · Score: 1

    Do you people not read Lawyerpoint? Rogan is working in the background to get most of CBDTPA accepted without passing CBDTPA (through voluntary standards-setting, but with that legislation hanging around in the air, how much of the tech industry's involvement is 'voluntary' and how much is 'I will participate to prevent a worse disaster')

  63. Yeah, it's sexist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sex workers provide a valuable service to their clients, harming nobody else in the process. A site like Slashdot shouldn't insult them by comparing them to the scum that run corporations and the government.

  64. Howard Chaykin beat you to this idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    See: American Flagg

  65. Moderators... by Micah · · Score: 2

    (I don't normally post this kind of thing so bare with me this time...)

    That's the most intelligent piece of political commentary I've ever seen on the Net. Send it to 5!

    Especially: The law should be simple, and understandable by all. Is that not the truth?

  66. Then go somewhere else... by Nanite · · Score: 0

    If you don't like the bias here, it's simple, go somewhere else. Slashdot has always had an anti-corporate stance, so if you like being a whore, why don't you visit imacorprateshill.com instead, fatboy?

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    1. Re:Then go somewhere else... by ender81b · · Score: 1

      I don't know why i am replying to a troll but.. oh well. I don't care about the Bias. That is why I come here as a matter of fact. What I care about is a somewhat professional job by the editors.

  67. Some things even whores won't do? by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Go to DC. Find yourself a Sentator. 'Nuff said.

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  68. Digital media software by jdkincad · · Score: 1

    From the actual text of the bill:
    (3) DIGITAL MEDIA DEVICE. -- The term "digital media device" means any hardware or software that -- (A) reproduces copyrighted works in digital form; (B) converts copyrighted works in digital form into a form whereby the images and sounds are visible or audible; or (C) retrieves or accesses copyrighted works in digital form and transfers or makes available for transfer such works to hardware or software described in subparagraph (B).
    Seems to me the only software that would be effected would be CD/DVD writers, media players, web/mail servers, ftp and napster like stuff, mails clients, web browsers, and possibly other stuff I'll think of once I hit the sumbit button.

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  69. Re:Ermm.. anyone else notice this part of the stor by demo9orgon · · Score: 1
    Actually, it goes something like this...if you have enough $$$ in the US, then you can enjoy such elite privledges as free-speech, a vaction once a year, and maybe even pay off your own home before you die. However, if you're one of the working-poor, doing a "hand-to-mouth" monthly shuffle and clinging to a lower-middle-class life with the wife and kids then activism is a fantasy.

    Refugees exist because smart people know when to get the hell out of the way. You don't call a smart pesant a coward because they managed to get out while the rest of the village has been neatly killed and buried. You call them smart. Smart AND lucky.

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  70. Re:Legislative Agenda METAL AND WOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Metal and Wood

    It is a rare person who does not attach some sort of value or emotion to some physical object or to an event. A home becomes more than a building. A statue of the Virgin Mary, a crucifix, a flag or a song, or even a photograph can stir emotions greater than the value of the material item.

    I have a piece of paper showing I served in the military until I was discharged honorably. But, oh, the memories that piece of paper conjures up. The friends, the fun times. The bad times. The times when we were bound closer to strangers than to our own families and, in frightening chaos, our lives hung by a thread. Many of our friends died far from home. Ask us about the feeling of "American soil" upon returning to the land we loved. Ask those returning soldiers about America.

    Remember the old, faintly humorous band of American Legionnaires, wearing out-dated military uniforms straining at the buttons. But, God how proudly they marched. Grinning, waving to friends and families, and always, always "The Flag!" Ask them if the flag is mere cloth, I dare you.

    See the elderly lady sitting in a lawn chair watching the fourth of July parade. Three flags carefully folded some forty years ago into triangles now rest in her lap - one for each lost son. Ask her if those flags are mere cloth, I dare you.

    Look at the old man quietly crying, leaning against the Iwo Jiima Memorial at Arlington Cemetery. As he turns to you, smiles with some embarrassment, and says in a choked whisper, "I was there." Ask him, "Is it just metal and clay?" Ask him. I dare you.

    The Wall. My God, the Wall. See the young man lightly tracing the name of his father there inscribed. Ask him if its just rock. Ask him. I dare you.

    My guns? They're of little real value compared to my family and my home. They are toys, or tools, or both. But what those guns represent to me is greater than all of us, greater than myself, my family, indeed greater than our entire generation. What could be of such value?

    The freedom of man to live within civil, self-imposed limitations rather than under restrictions placed upon him by a ruler or a ruling class.

    Imagine the daring, the bravery of a few men to declare they intended to create a new country, independent of the burden of their established Rulers!

    Those men we call our forefathers were brilliant men. They could have maneuvered themselves into positions of influence within the structure of the times, but they did not. They struggled to free themselves from tyranny. They wrote the Declaration of Independence. And they backed up their words and ideals with metal and wood.

    They knew the dangers of such dreams and actions. They knew it was a frightening and dangerous venture into the unknown when they dared reach beyond their grasp for a vision - for an ideal. But they dared to dedicate themselves to achieve Liberty and Freedom for their children, and their children's children, through the generations.

    Imagine the dreams and yearnings of centuries finally being reduced to the written word. The Rights of "We the People!" instead of the "Powers of the Monarchy."

    Our forefathers dared to create a new government - a new form of government. And they knew that any organization has, as its first and foremost goal, its continued existence. Second only to that it strives to increase its power. It plots, it devises, it maneuvers to achieve control over its environment - over its subjects.

    Our Forefathers decided to make America different from any country, anywhere, at any time in the entire history of the entire world. This country, this new nation of immigrants, would be based upon the concept that people could rule themselves better than any single person or small group of persons could rule them.

    Other countries have had outstanding documents with guarantees for its citizens - but the citizens have become enslaved. How, these great men pondered, can we ensure this new government will remain subject to the will of the People?

    They wanted limits upon this new government. Therefore, our forefathers wrote limitations into the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And one of those Rights was that metal and wood, as the final power of the people, would secure this country for the future generations.

    Metal and wood were the means by which we won our freedom.
    Metal and wood were the means by which we kept our freedom.
    Metal and wood may be the means by which we regain our freedom.

    Metal and wood are the final power of the people. Take away the metal and wood and the people become powerless - they can only beg, they supplicate for favors.

    We are unique in our ability to rule ourselves but we are letting it slip away. Today we compromise. We try to appease man's insatiable appetite for power by throwing him bits of our freedoms. But the insatiable appetite for power can not be appeased. The freedoms we feed him only make us weaker and him stronger.

    We must conquer him and again ensure the "Blessings of Liberty" won for us by our forefathers.

    We must be ready to use metal and wood again, for if we are ready, truly ready, we may be able to conquer the monster with words - for in its heart it is a coward. But if we continue to feed the monster our freedoms, we will become too weak to win, to weak even to fight, and we will become a conquered people. We will have sold ourselves and our future generations into servitude.

    If words fail us, we will use metal and wood, we will regain what we have lost, we will achieve what we seek, we will guarantee the America of our forefathers for the future generations.

    So you see, our guns are more than metal and wood. They are our heritage of freedom. They are the universally understood symbol that the government, no matter how big and strong it may be, answers to us! They are the tools we will use to prevent tyranny in the land of our forefathers and our children. So, ask me what my guns mean to me. Ask my children what our guns mean to them. Ask us. I dare you.

    Dennis Bateman

  71. Re:Ermm.. anyone else notice this part of the stor by eyegor · · Score: 1

    Nice try, thanks for playing.

    I wasn't born with privledge, nor was my family wealthy. I earned my own way. In this country such things are possible and happen every day.

    All that it takes is the will and to refuse to play the victim. With your defeatist attitude, you've lost before you even begin to compete. Don't think like a sheep. Be a wolf. survive. win. sheesh.

    And on that note, Welcome to /., Mr. Baldwin.

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  72. Better then the Clintoon administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Delivery boys for the DMCA as bought and paid for by the MPAA and RIAA. You think it's no coincidence that Hollywood gives about 10 times as much money to Democrats than Republicans?

  73. You missed one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Robert Reich (yes, the Robert Reich who was Clinton's much lauded Treasury Secretary) was *deep* in allowing Enron to become what it was.

    And when the shit was about to hit the fan, Enron called Reich and got him to try and call off the dogs since he worked at one of the banks Enron owed a lot of $$$$ to.

    That doesn't seem to be in the NYT. But then again neither does the DNC chairman's affiliation with the Global Crossing bankruptcy get much press, either.

  74. Divided and Conquered, You are Both Their Bitches by FreeUser · · Score: 2

    Before you get on your high horse, you would do well to remember that it was your pal Slick Willie who signed the DMCA into law. [...] Left-wingers have never been known to let the truth get in the way of an argument, though...why do you think we had eight years of lies, quibbles, and equivocations?

    For the same reason we had 12 years of lies, quibbles, and equivocations before that [Reagan-Bush Sr] (including the sale of what were likely CIA drugs on American streets, Iran-Contra, and a war in the middle-east that was either engineered or a result of amazingly incompetent diplomacy), 4 years of the same before that [Carter], Eight years of the same before that [Nixon-Ford], etc. ad nauseum, back to probably within a generation or two of the founding of the Republic.

    The draconian controls Copyright Cartels enjoy under the current legal regime over our popular culture, the draconian laws being enacted to impose an unnatural economic regime (capitalism as envisioned through monopolistic intellectual property regimes) on a domain with no inherent scarcity (electronic media and, specifically the internet) that will likely make the old Soviet attempt at doing something similiar (trying to impose an unrealistic communisim on a world of natural scarcity) look postively liberal in comparison, and the unconstitutional precedence copyright is taking over freedom of speech (despite the fact that virtually every constitutional scholar will point out that Amendmensts, even the first one, always take precedence over their antecedents when they conflict, and thus freedom of speech should constitutionally trump copyright every time) are neither a democratic or republican issue, and attempts to argue this in those terms are bound to result in failure.

    Both parties have colluded in passing numerous extentions to the duration of copyright since the 1970s, legislatively robbing the public domain of its constitutionally guaranteed material.

    Both parties passed the Sony Bono copyright extention act, which retroactively and unconstitutionally removed material from the public domain.

    Both parties passed the DMCA, criminalizing copyright violation for the first time in American history (though not for the first time in western history ... one man was even drawn and quartered for copyright violation in merry old England back in the 17th century IIRC).

    Both parties have been in bed with the Moghuls of Old Guard Media, be they recording companies, Hollywood Studios, or television networks stealing billions in public airways for a pittance.

    Both parties have blatently accepted legalized bribes and allowed their respective interests to purchase legislation in flagrant contradiction to the public interest, and with open scorn for the same.

    In short, politicians in both parties have earned the moniker of "whore" quite publicly, and the only real criticism of the term that is warrented is the lack of the adjective "cheap." How else can one describe selling out one's multi-trillion dollar nation, and multi-billion dollar growth industries, for a few hundred thousand in campagin donations (a total of a few tens of millions for the party, including all soft monies). These people, democrats and republicans alike, are not just whores, nor are they just "corporate" whores, they are cheap whores, who have sold every American man, woman, and child down the river for a pittance.

    That all having been said, may I suggest you concentrate on fighting together to prevent further ravagement of our freedoms by both parties. The struggle for freedom of thought and expression, against the copyright and intellectual property regimes being forced down our throats by a particular, concentrated special interest, is a non-partison one, and the enemies to the same are most emphatically non-partison, for they encompass many in BOTH parties. This partisan bickering of conservatives vs. liberals misses the whole point, is divisive and hell, and quite frankly undermines your ability to act effectively in countering these attacks.

    In other words, if you remain partisan and distracted from the issues you will have not only been divided, but very effectively conquered, before the battle is even joined.

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    The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
  75. Re:Restrictions on consumers OK, on business not-O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. Restrictions on people are OK but restrictions on non-natural entities are BAD? Please!