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Comic Book Physics

hij writes "NANDO net has an article about a physics professor at the University of Minnesota is offering a class in Comic Book Physics. He looks into such things as the amount of calories that the Flash burns and the tension in spider-mans web."

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  1. The secret ingredient by MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM · · Score: 1, Funny

    Guns with infinite bullets. Oh, we are not talking about Hollywood movies, my bad.

    1. Re:The secret ingredient by mosch · · Score: 2
      nah, bullets aren't infinite, the clips have a drama detection unit, which allow bullets to pass into the chamber only in a fashion which will maximize the drama created by the insertion, or failure to insert a bullet.

      additionally, even top-notch shooters can't shoot worth a damn, the miss:hit ratio being even worse than the 10:1 real world ratio for urban combat.

    2. Re:The secret ingredient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Play "Feng Shui", it's a roleplaying game. Infinite ammo (and guns that never need reloading) are one of the special powers you can get.

  2. chaffing? by edrugtrader · · Score: 3, Funny

    i was always curious about what those tights would do to your crotch after a good fight with a super villian.

    also, did they figure out what supermans cape does? does it provide lift somehow?

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  3. Defeats the purpose by KeatonMill · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't know if this occurs to anyone else, but it seems to me that the POINT of comic book characters was that they could do things that defied the laws of physics. I mean, if they couldn't, what would we be left with?

    CUBICLE MAN: Able to ignore work at lightspeed

    1. Re:Defeats the purpose by Quikah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point is to get students interested in physics by using a novel approach.

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    2. Re:Defeats the purpose by Phokus · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, cubicle man. Wasn't he the star of "Office Space"? :]

    3. Re:Defeats the purpose by cscx · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe you have my stapler.

    4. Re:Defeats the purpose by bilbobuggins · · Score: 1
      CUBICLE MAN: Able to ignore work at lightspeed

      Shazbot! My secret identity is revealed!

    5. Re:Defeats the purpose by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

      Yes, but last time I did not receive any cake and I was told that this time, well, okay. But. The cake-to-people ratio is too low, too low!

      I...I could set the building on fire.

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    6. Re:Defeats the purpose by djocyko · · Score: 2
      The point is to get students interested in physics by using a novel approach.

      You meant a comicbook approach, right?

    7. Re:Defeats the purpose by sharkey · · Score: 2

      Cubicle Man, Cubicle Man,
      Does whatever a, well...
      Just sits on his can.

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  4. could be a good idea by Bandito · · Score: 1

    everyone knows that people learn better when they're actually interested in the material.

  5. how about tic? by RealisticWeb.com · · Score: 1

    I have two responses to this. 1) good job trying to make education fun, and interesting. 2) I hope he branches out to less traditional comic characters too.

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    1. Re:how about tic? by Gehenna_Gehenna · · Score: 1
      Excellent idea. Like how strong is that adhesive that Vampirella uses on her costume to keep it from falling off while fighting the bad guys?

      Or what gravity defying substace keeps Lady Deaths's size FFF breasts so firm?

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  6. Saw this site last year by huckda · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually invited a colleague's physics class
    into my lab for them to pick a hero and do a report on the different abilities. The kids(high-school) loved it!

    Now you know what your kids are being taught now days!

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  7. superman by apoKalypse · · Score: 1

    how fast does superman fly when he is having kryptonite thrown at him? :P

  8. Comic Physics indeed. by distributed.karma · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    Computer science major Eric Caron, 19, also worked a Flash problem. In one comic book, the Flash vibrated his molecules to melt ice that encased him. Caron tried to figure out how fast the hero would have had to vibrate. "It was close to 6,000 mph hour," Caron says. "It's not the most realistic thing. But hey, if he can run at light speed ..."

    But if you assume he can actually run at the speed of light, you can derive almost everything, even nonphysical things. In the same way, if you start by assuming that 1==2 then you can basically prove anything (even wrong things) mathematically.

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    1. Re:Comic Physics indeed. by cscx · · Score: 1

      Of course since the speed of light is about 670 million miles per hour, that guy is an idior and your assumption is wrong.

    2. Re:Comic Physics indeed. by carnageonline · · Score: 1

      Yeh, but we were supposed to figure out the MINIMUM speed he would need. If you're interested I also figured the odds of him escaping the ice using quantum tunneling... fyi,

      eric caron

  9. This is old, right? by Insightfill · · Score: 1
    Like so: http://funnies.paco.to/cartoon.html

    and so: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/09/051722 8&mode=thread

    and so: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/12/21/092121 2&mode=thread

    Ok, not exactly, but it all feels the same, you know?

  10. Only one more step... by dghcasp · · Score: 5, Funny
    Now all we have to do is find the school with the course on "Warner Brothers Animation Physics..."

    RoadRunner's 3rd Law: An object at rest will stay at rest, even if suspended in midair, as long as it doesn't look down.

    1. Re:Only one more step... by dalassa · · Score: 1

      Warner's First Rule:
      Guns, Explosives, and ACME Tornadoes never work right. They just don't/

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    2. Re:Only one more step... by stipe42 · · Score: 1

      We actually did this in High School physics. Our teacher always gave examples using Roadrunner, so our final project was to construct a sequence of events that might happen in a Roadrunner cartoon, along with a calculated breakdown with assumptions, etc, proving that it could happen. We had a list of twenty or so physical situations that we had studied, and had to use 15 of them in the project.

      stipe42

  11. Flash by daeley · · Score: 4, Funny

    All I know is that *I* burn lots of calories yelling at my browser trying loading yet another Flash page.

    Flash: Giving Electronica Music a Bad Name Since 1996. ;)

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  12. They finally did it.... by CmdrStallman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A movie about my daily life. Here's a review.

  13. I want one o' them old-skool Cyclops figures... by Bonker · · Score: 2

    Sweetness...

    These remind me of the 'There can't possibly be a Santa Clause because' document. Boils down to the fact that Santa, if he really did visit all the little good, Christian boys and girls would go through reindeer at an alarming rate. He'd lose them to explosions caused by atmospheric friction energy greater than a reentry burn.

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    1. Re:I want one o' them old-skool Cyclops figures... by peddrenth · · Score: 1
  14. Spiderman's Web and other guesses by MBCook · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I'm no scientist but it seems to me that if he went swinging around like that, it would litteraly rip his arm off. Does he have an exoskeleton I don't know about?

    The flash does burn alot of callories, but unfortunatly, he still eats way more than he needs. This is why he hasn't had a movie (at least not lately), he is now over 600 lbs and can only run at abou 100mph.

    Let's see, what other comic books are out there? Superman is just too easy to do (that or I can't think of any right now).

    The incredible hulk is actually a very buff man who simply put on some halloween makeup once that caused a skin rash. Unfortunatly, while the makeup washed off, his skin stayed green. I guess this doesn't have to do with physics, does it?

    Aquaman prevents his head from imploding when he dives deep because it is, in fact, filled with water and not a brain, as was previously thought. This allows him to equalize the pressure because he has holes in his ear drums. This explains why he spends his time with dolphins and tuna.

    Wolverine's system survived the adamantium bonding because he takes lots of Citrical (R), a vitamin that helps prevent ostioperosis and death while bonding rare metals to your skeleton. To do this though, he had to take 2 bottles per day. This added up to so much money that he was forced to join a traveling, crime-fighting circus. They later dropped the circus part and just became the X-Men.

    Of course, the last thing that I know is that the Silver Surfer is not actually silver but a rare form of mercury, which is why he is not only neutraly boyant in water, air, and anything else, but explains why anyone who touches him goes insane. I realize that this isn't in the comic books, but if they put that in, would you buy them?

    OK, so I got off topic. Yes I made it all up. Sure I've never read a comic book for any of the above heros. Yes, most of it doesn't have to do with physics. Sure you can mod me down. But I got a long post in as one of the first, doesn't that deserve me a +1 "Good Try" mod? Admit it, this was funny. It was also not meant to offend any 300 piple-faced fanboys who might come to my house and trivia me to death about the time when they drew Batman's head 0.01% too small for his body. Those are my nighmares you know. I did mean the first part seriously, but then I got off topic. Oh well.

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    1. Re:Spiderman's Web and other guesses by second+class+skygod · · Score: 1

      > The incredible hulk is actually a very buff man who simply put on some halloween makeup once that caused a skin rash. Unfortunatly, while the makeup washed off, his skin stayed green

      As for his voice, well that's pretty much how all body-builders talk. No mystery there.

    2. Re:Spiderman's Web and other guesses by sean23007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      if he went swinging around like that, it would litteraly rip his arm off.

      I tried to explain that to friend of mine who is really big on comic books. He was disappointed at how far away from the original comic books the new movie was. I tried to tell him that the centripetal acceleration on some of those swings would not only tear his arms off, but would send his one armed body into the ground fast enough to make a sizable crater. He didn't understand what I was getting at, and said it was quite obvious how it worked, at least in the comic books, because in the comic books he actually had to build the spider web machines himself, they didn't just "grow into his wrists." I don't see how that explains anything, but he was adamant on the subject, so I decided to leave well enough alone. These comic book fellows are not to be messed with.

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    3. Re:Spiderman's Web and other guesses by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

      These comic book fellows are not to be messed with.

      "But Aquaman, you cannot marry a woman without gills! ...I've wasted my life."

      "CBG:Yes, finally. I would like to return your quote unquote, Ultimate Belt.

      Storekeeper: I see, do you have a receipt, quote unquote, sir?

      CBG: I do not have a receipt, I won it as a door prize at the Star Trek convention, although I find their choice of prize highly illogical as the average Trekker has no use for a medium-sized belt.

      Storekeeper: Whoa, whoa. A fat, sarcastic Star Trek fan. You must be a devil with the ladies.

      CBG: Hey, I... Huh... Tha... Oh...

      Storekeeper: Gee, I hate to let you down Casanova, but uh, no receipt, no return.

      Bart: I'll give you four bucks for it.

      CBG: Very well. I must hurry back to my comic book store, where I dispense the insults rather than absorb them."

      You mean that Comib Book Fellow?

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    4. Re:Spiderman's Web and other guesses by 19Buck · · Score: 1

      " because in the comic books he actually had to build the spider web machines himself, they didn't just "grow into his wrists." The web shooters have a special cutter built into them. they cut the strand after firing and he grabs it with his hand. I'd have to guess that a person with the proportional Strength of a spide probably has denser muscle mass which is more capable of handling the stresses being applies to his body during swinging.

  15. Batman and the vat of acid by jone_stone · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I once had a chemistry test in high school based on a Batman comic. Batman and Robin were falling into a vat of acid. It looked like the end for the dynamic duo. But after they fell in Robin was astonished to find that they didn't get burned.


    "Of course," said Batman. "The acid-neutralizing pills in my utility belt rendered the acid harmless before it was able to burn us."


    I don't remember the specific numbers of the question, but it was basically: if there were n gallons of 5 molar HCl in the vat and the pills were NaOH, how much must the pills have weighed? How much energy was released in the reaction, and are Batman and Robin likely to have survived?


    Batman would have needed something like two tons of NaOH in his belt, and the resulting explosion would have evaporated all the water and fried the dynamic duo to a crisp.

    1. Re:Batman and the vat of acid by Myco · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reminds me of a Batman problem I did in freshman calculus. Basically, they set up a situation where Batman is supposed to jump from one roof to another, given a certain physical configuration. You have to figure out whether he'll make it, and if you work out the numbers it looks like he won't. But the solution in the back of the book, while acknowledging that that's how the numbers work out, says "but he'll make it anyway, because he's Batman." Textbook authors can be really cool sometimes.

    2. Re:Batman and the vat of acid by ndinsil · · Score: 5, Funny

      I got a kick out of a freshman physics problem where you had to estimate the velocity of a student falling into the depths of hell by the doppler shift of his scream as heard by a stationary devil. Cool problems really make the boring math go down easier.

    3. Re:Batman and the vat of acid by zer0vector · · Score: 1

      I remember that exact problem, was the textbook by Paul A. Tipler?

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  16. Does this couse answers some.. by dmouritsendk · · Score: 1

    of the very relevant(->sarcasm) questions raised in Mallrats..

    Like when brodie meets stan lee(played by stan, kinda cool :) and asks:


    Do you think Mr. Fantastic can stretch his dinky also? And do you think The Thing is hard all over? I mean really all over.


    or even..

    T.S.: But they're engaged.
    Brodie: Doesn't matter, can't happen.
    T.S.: Why not? It's bound to come up.
    Brodie: It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle the sperm? I gurantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back. What about her womb? Do you think it's strong enough to carry her child?
    T.S.:Sure, why not?
    Brodie: He's an alien, for christ sake. His Kyrptonian biological makeup is enhanced by earth's yellow sun. If Lois gets a tan the kid could kick right through her stomach. Only someone like Wonder Woman has a strong enough uterus to carry his kid. The only way he could bang regular chicks is with a kryptonite condom. That would kill him!


    is brodie right or is he jumping to conclusions? I really NEED to take this class!

    1. Re:Does this couse answers some.. by SimplyCosmic · · Score: 2

      TOTAL GEEK MODE ON:

      It depends on how you want to interpret any of the gazillion "Origin of Superman" stories. In many of them he didn't start to manifest his powers to anywhere from a toddler to puberty.

      So, she could theoretically carry the child to term normally.

      Additionally, in many of the DC comics that have taken place in the future, such as the excellent Kingdom Come Lois dies a while back, and Supes ends up conceiving a child with Wonder Woman. The daughter is shown in the Dark Knight 2 that's out now, I believe.

    2. Re:Does this couse answers some.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a whole short story about this problem called "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" by Larry Niven.

    3. Re:Does this couse answers some.. by AJWM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While the sentiments were probably circulating in fandom circles for a long time, Brodie's question was preceded by Larry Niven's classic short story/essay, Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex which appeared in his collection All The Myriad Ways over thirty years ago (1971). (That link points to what is probably a flagrant copyright violation.) Brodie's question is Niven's point four and six.

      Sigh, some people just lack an education in the classics ;-)

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    4. Re:Does this couse answers some.. by biobogonics · · Score: 1

      It's impossible, Lois could never have Superman's baby. Do you think her fallopian tubes could handle the sperm?

      Larry Niven asks similar questions in a slightly more serious vein in his short story "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex".

  17. Anit-grav by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to know about the theory behind those anit-grav bras women in comics seems to be wearing.

  18. Missing the Point by TomHandy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I do understand that they are doing this basically to make some of these problems more interesting (I could understand it more if this was an elementary or high school class though....why would people taking college level physics courses need comic book subject matter as a motivation?) but it really does kind of miss the point. I.e. with that whole Flash question, it implies that Flash uses his own energy. My understanding of the Flash is that he accesses some mystical Speed Force that actually powers him, and it has nothing to do with burning any energy directly.

    1. Re:Missing the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      The goal is to get students to think scientifically when they usually don't. One of the best ways to support retention of material is to associate it with things they already know, or things they see a lot.


      As a bonus, the students may come away looking at stuff in real life and thinking about the forces involved whatever-it-is. Many people put their learning in compartments: they think about physics when they do physics problems, they think about math when they do math problems, and so on.


      One challenge facing all teachers is to get them to see the physics, and math, and chemistry, all around them all the time. Physics isn't just in a physics problem: it's in everything that moves.
      If we pretend that Spider-Man is real, then he
      becomes a swinging physics problem.

    2. Re:Missing the Point by FurryFeet · · Score: 2

      Wrong.
      Johnny Quick (and later his daughter, Libby) get superspeed from accessing some sort of weird zen potential through a mathematical formula that works as a mantra.
      The Flash, on the other hand, got his powers through a freak accident involving getting hit by lightning while soaked in a mixture of chemicals (don't try THAT one at home). Than altered his metabolism and gave him strictly physiology-related powers.
      Can I have my geek card now? :S

  19. To think... by NickRob · · Score: 1

    That I'm going to go to college to learn about American History and learn a trade when I could learn about comic books!

    Where's my transfer forms?

  20. He was my disscussion TA for honors physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prof Kakalios is a great guy. He always brought us doughnuts for our 8AM discussion section. Come to think of it, that was the only 8AM class I've ever consistently gone to...

    1. Re:He was my disscussion TA for honors physics by TheCubic · · Score: 1

      holy crap you must have been in my class. Too bad you're an anonymous coward...

  21. Humor - Cartoon Physics by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Take a look at Cartoon Physics, e.g.:

    Cartoon Law I

    Any body suspended in space will remain in space until made aware of its situation.

    Example

    Daffy Duck steps off a cliff, expecting further pastureland. He loiters in midair, soliloquizing flippantly, until he chances to look down. At this point, the familiar principle of 32 feet per second squared takes over.

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    1. Re:Humor - Cartoon Physics by blonde+rser · · Score: 2

      I checked out those rules and they appear incomplete. What about the fact that Gravity needs to be fueled by the falling object and if the falling object does not have the required level of fuel to continue to fall the decent will stop.

      This was clearly shown by Prof Bunny's experiment of the rapidly decending rocket ship.

    2. Re:Humor - Cartoon Physics by ZaMoose · · Score: 2

      'Twas a WW2 bomber, IIRC. It was sabotaged by the Air Gremlin (You remember Bugs' reaction, right? The classic "Eeeh! Ahhh! Ooooh! Ahhh!" repeated ad nauseum...)

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    3. Re:Humor - Cartoon Physics by sbaker · · Score: 1

      > At this point, the familiar principle of
      > 32 feet per second squared takes over.

      Actually, I think his velocity instantaneously
      increases to some fixed 'terminal' velocity.

      I also like the way that large magnets work
      in Cartoon Physics. A tiny mouse holding
      such a magnet can easily pull an entire car
      to him without the laws of equal and opposite
      reaction being applied...probably something
      to do with the little yellow lightning bolts
      that cartoon magnets emit when you point them
      at something metallic.

      Don't get me started on the way that landing
      on a bouncy surface after a long fall will
      cause you to ascend to a height GREATER than
      you fell from...that's got to be something
      to do with gravity not being as strong when
      you are going upwards.

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  22. at least this illustrates interesting points by dario_moreno · · Score: 2, Flamebait


    as opposed, for instance, to Jon Katz who
    uses comics to push his "post 9/11" agenda
    and SW2 disappointment and discuss bullshit myths of nerds rejection (never saw that in Homer).

    I never see the Fab 4 discussed ; Mr Stretch or the Invisible look indeed far-fetched,
    but about the torch, one can indeed fly with jetpacks (as seen in Thunderball or Duke Nukem), and for the Thing, Mike Tyson pops to mind.

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  23. Why "elective"? Make it "standard". by skoda · · Score: 2

    I always enjoy seeing creative teaching methods. This sounds like a fun class. And while I've never had a "comic book class", I've seen superhero-type questions ("If Superman has X-Ray vision, what's the smallest object he can see?"), and all physics students like to play with the crazy "what if?" questions ("If centripetal force is constant for constant acceleration, what limits how fast I can drive in a circle?").

    It doesn't mention in the article, but I presume they tackle realistic problems along with their superheroic counterparts. That's necessary for developing intuition, and can help evaluate the realism or plausibility of the "Flash" cases.

    I also think doing rigorous work on unusual cases helps develop abstract thinking and problem solving skills. And those are very important when later dealing with problems (like at work), where the answer isn't in the back of the book.

  24. Marvel Universe & Who's Who by jeffehobbs · · Score: 2

    This reminds me of the two limited series that both Marvel and DC put out, called "Marvel Universe" & "Who's Who" respectively -- remember them? I used to love those -- they were alphabetically organized compendiums of every character, ship, and base in both of the comic book universes.

    The best part was when they used clever but blatant pseudo-science to try to explain away the smaller inconsistencies of the characters (i.e. Q: "How does Superman shave -- his beard must be super strong!" A: "He shaves using a small shard of super hard metal from the rocket he traveled on as an infant from Krypton"). You really got the sense that the writers were having a lot of fun with the characters. I'd love if these series were collected up in a bound/graphic novel format, as they contain a big chunk of my childhood.

    ~jeff

    1. Re:Marvel Universe & Who's Who by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      gonads and strife

    2. Re:Marvel Universe & Who's Who by scumdamn · · Score: 2

      I forget which one, but they coined the term "Class 100 Strength" which means the character could life at least 100 tons. There were a lot of them who could.
      I loved those comics (especially the Marvel ones). The DC ones had like 8 Batmans in it and all but one died in their little "Sweeps" they were having to battle the Secret Wars sagas going on over at Marvel.
      Hey, I was about 11 at the time! Cut me some slack!

    3. Re:Marvel Universe & Who's Who by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

      If you watched the superman cartoons, youd realise that he uses a mirror and his heat vision to shave.

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  25. cool by spectatorion · · Score: 1

    All I have to say to the nay-sayers who will say that it is ridiculous to teach a physics course based on comic books is that this is the coolest thing a physics department could do. I am a physics major at my school and am becoming increasingly disillusioned with how tedious and boring my physics classes are getting, and how little I learn about the real world from them. I am not saying that comics are the real world, but if the approach this course takes is to say "this is realistic, while this is not" then that does help people to understand the real world. I would take a course like this in a second. Done right, this could be one of the most fun courses one takes in college.

    There is however the probelm that you kind of ruin the coolness of comic book heroes who somewhat defy the laws of physics, by flying, shooting lasers from their eyes, moving things with their mind, etc. Although I know quite a bit of physics and know that many of these things are impossible, I still enjoy comics very much and am able to suspend my disbelief. I think that using a course like this to get people interested in physics is much better than the standard "Physics for Poets" my school offers which just go over the basics of many areas of physics in unsatisfactory depth and rigor, leaving the students frustrated and uninterested. I say that most anything that gets more people thinking from an analytical point of view is good.

  26. eh by tux-sucks · · Score: 1

    what a waste of your tuition. really.

  27. Already done by Fruny · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now all we have to do is find the school with the course on "Warner Brothers Animation Physics..."
    - Any body suspended in space will remain in space until made aware of its situation
    - Any body in motion will tend to remain in motion until solid matter intervenes suddenly.
    - Any body passing through solid matter will leave a perforation conforming to its perimeter.
    - All principles of gravity are negated by fear.
    - As speed increases, objects can be in several places at once.
    - Any violent rearrangement of feline matter is impermanent.
    - Everything falls faster than an anvil
    And more...

    1. Re:Already done by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

      there is the hannah barbara physics addendum:

      (fred flintstone/ scoody doo)

      when beginning to run, there is a 2 second delay between rapid leg movement and actual forward momentum. this is accompanied by a goofy xylophone noise.

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  28. How about... by LordSah · · Score: 1

    ...similarly related Star Wars physics and Dungeons & Dragons physics? My old character could do a 200ft standing jump. I'd like to know why :)

  29. physics of home alone by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
    In my high school physics class, we once watched "Home Alone" to identify physical impossibilities.

    It would have taken less time to point out the things that were based on physics.

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  30. But the question that will NEVER be answered... by Gunsmithy · · Score: 1

    Is how the flash could run at Faster than Light Speeds...and how the force made by his feet hitting the Earth doesn't make huge earthquakes.

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    1. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by ejaw5 · · Score: 1

      The more profound question is if the flash can run faster than the speed of light, how does TIME remain absolute? Theoretically, if he runs at the speed of light for 5 minutes, wouldn't we all age 100 years while he only ages 5 minutes?

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    2. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by Gunsmithy · · Score: 1

      Actually, his definition of time stays constant with the rest of the world...as evidenced a few times when he looked at his watch to time himself. It was constant with the other people around him.
      It's like asking if someone in a car going 60 miles per hour driving for five minutes ages five minutes while everyone else ages 60 minutes.

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    3. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by TheOnlyCoolTim · · Score: 2

      The guy in the car actually does age negligibly less than someone standing around.

      It has been proven with experiments. Two atomic clocks were synchronized, and one was kept on the ground while another was put into a plane and flown around at high speed for a while.

      Upon return to the ground the clock that had flown had an earlier time than the one that hadn't.

      When time flies you have fun!

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    4. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by bugg · · Score: 2
      how does TIME remain absolute?

      Einstein long ago said that time doesn't remain absolute. Time dilation. T = t/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2). Physics and whatnot. That's why you can't go faster than the speed of light- you can accelerate forever and always travel below the speed of light. To me, that statement in and of itself is beautiful.

      As for the effects of time dilation at real relativistic speeds (close to the speed of light), there are plenty of books, webpages, etc. that talk about it. But a word of advice- if you want to be able to understand it, you need to get the idea of simultaneous actions out of your head. The problem with what you said lies in one word- "while."

      I have a headache and further discussing relativity will only make it worse ;) If you want to talk about it later and/or privately, that will perhaps be best.

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    5. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by Odinson · · Score: 3, Funny

      "The guy in the car actually does age negligibly less than someone standing around."

      These experiments were obviously not performed anywhere near the Long Island Expressway during the rush hour starting Memorial day weekend.

    6. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to talk about it later and/or privately, that will perhaps be best.

      On any other website, that statement would be used to put off a sensitive issue such as teen sexual angst - better discussed privately. On slashdot, it's about whether The Flash can really run at the speed of light. That's why I like this place.

    7. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great incentive to study relativity. Get a migraine.

    8. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by bugg · · Score: 1
      Haha! Talking to you from the next day, my head is fine, and my headache from yesterday was *not* relativity related.

      But I would be lying to you if I said the first time I learned about relativity I didn't get a brainache ;)

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    9. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      > "The guy in the car actually does age negligibly less than someone standing around."

      > These experiments were obviously not performed anywhere near the Long Island Expressway during
      > the rush hour starting Memorial day weekend

      Well, it doesn't apply there; those people aren't actually *moving*.

      Chris Mattern

    10. Re:But the question that will NEVER be answered... by FurryFeet · · Score: 2

      OFFTOPIC
      You know, your sig lends itself to a lot of misunderstandings... like, when you say "destroy all intelligent life", do I destroy "tim.bolbrock"? If I do, I think the mail wouldn't work; if I don't, well, it seems vaguely insulting, if you catch my drift ;)
      Just some food for thought :S

  31. Everybody by NickisGod.com · · Score: 1

    Everybody's making money off that new movie...damnit!

  32. And don't forget by Salsaman · · Score: 4, Funny
    You only fall down when you look down.

    It's an obvious application of Quantum Gravity - when you go over a cliff, you have to look down to collapse the quantum gravity wavefunction, and thus you hit the bottom of the canyon.

    1. Re:And don't forget by EuroChild · · Score: 1

      I always thought that you had to throw yourself at the ground and miss to avoid gravity...

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    2. Re:And don't forget by chfleming · · Score: 1

      When you do not look down, what is beneath your feet is in a super position of land, water, and air, these are the quantum states.

      When you look down, you make a measurement. The wave function collapses.

      Also to note is that road runners can tunnel through paintings of tunnels.

      And LO, this is obvious evidence that the observer actually effects the physical system!!!

  33. One word: Spider strength by L-Train8 · · Score: 1

    At the risk of being a pimple-faced fanboy, Spiderman has "spider strength," the proportional strength of a spider. This allows him to lift many times his own body weight, and might explain how he keeps his arms from ripping off from the centripital force of his swinging.

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    1. Re:One word: Spider strength by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      If I recall from my younger days, Spidey could military press 80 imperial tons.

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    2. Re:One word: Spider strength by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
      "Spider strength" is two words, you geek!

      And here I am correcting him. Who's the geek now?

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    3. Re:One word: Spider strength by Arandir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Physics again. Spiders and other very tiny creatures have "super" strength simply because they are very tiny.

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    4. Re:One word: Spider strength by gewalker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, yeah physics again. You might at least reference the square-cube law, such as here for anatomy if you want to educate people on why ants and spiders are so strong. It is also a clue as to why you don't find realy big or tall land animals.

      There is also a significant problem with flying dinosaurs & even standing up because of square cube law arguments. Some have seriously proposed that oxygen content was higher for the dino's, other suggest that gravity was lower. Point is, that they are so big, square cube law is a problem for us to understand their existence. There are also huge forms of many modern animals in the fossil record that are a problem for us to understannd because of square-cube law (3 ft wingspan dragonflies, foot long cockroaches, sharks with a 12 ft wide jaw, etc.) Really some interesting problems, albeit somewhat off-topic.

      Square cube law is a problem in muscle strenth, bone strength, respiriration, reaction speed, heat dissipation, etc. Unfortunately don't know a really good godd/article to recommend.

    5. Re:One word: Spider strength by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1

      No, that would be "Spider-Strength." With a hyphen. Duh.

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    6. Re:One word: Spider strength by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      Um, no, not nearly. maybe a ton, maybe two. YMMV, they've upped him to ten tons lately, which I think is getting a bit silly.

      He can toss a car, not a bulldozer, and at that he can only toss the car a little way.

      But he's strong enough to keep his arms attached to his bod when he's pulling tens of G's.

      His passengers should be broken bags of protein, tho. I'd expect he'd take care to make really really short swings if he's carrying his girlfriend.

    7. Re:One word: Spider strength by SageLikeFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, Peter Parker is only like 5 foot 7 or so...

  34. Aargh, Grammar rant time... by AJWM · · Score: 2

    the amount of calories

    Since "calories" is obviously a plural noun, the phrase should be "the number of calories". Even though we can have fractional calories, the grammatical implication is that it's a countable or integer quantity. For those we use "number of" and, in comparisons, "fewer than" (not "less than").

    When we're talking about a measured (vs counted) quantity, that's more like a "real" or "float", then you would use "amount of" -- unless of course you mention the units of measure, which sort of integerizes the whole thing (the opposite of C type promotion rules).

    Sorry, but type mismatch in English is something that's been bugging me lately.

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    1. Re:Aargh, Grammar rant time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's about time to unclench your anus now...

  35. Ze point by RumbaFlex · · Score: 1

    Ze point is; how much physics does it require to defy the laws of physics?

    Oh, and what mind control technique superman uses to keep people from noticing that he is Clark Kent?

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    1. Re:Ze point by Repton · · Score: 2, Informative

      RumbaFlex asked: Oh, and what mind control technique superman uses to keep people from noticing that he is Clark Kent?

      He hypnotises them.

      In one of the very few Superman comics I have read, some super bad guy goes around creating massive illusions or causing mass hysteria or something like that. So Superman counters by using a giant flying television to Super-Hypnotise everyone to disbelieve any illusions / see what's really in front of their eyes.

      Superman spent most of the rest of the comic making excuses as to why he is pretending to be Clark Kent, and covering for where the "real" Clark Kent is, since no one believes his disguise any more.

      After the bad guy is caught and Superman un-hypnotises everyone, the comic ends with CK getting an artist to sketch his face. The sketch looks quite different from Superman's face, and Superman figures out that he has been unconsciously maintaining his disguise by hypnotising everyone he meets.

      HTH. HAND.

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    2. Re:Ze point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In one of the movies, he hypnotizes Lois Lane by kissing and sucking the air out of her lungs or something.

    3. Re:Ze point by Rob+Parkhill · · Score: 2

      I seem to recall an explination of this having something to do with Superman moving the muslces in his face very rapidly while he was being Superman, thus obscuring his identity.

      You'd think his mom would tell him that his face will stay like that if he keeps doing it...

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  36. More Comic Book Physics by DeadBugs · · Score: 2

    How does Wonder Woman fit into that outfit?

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    1. Re:More Comic Book Physics by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
      How does Wonder Woman fit into that outfit?

      That's not physics. That's engineering. And a damn fine job it was, too!

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  37. Superman's cape. by AJWM · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to the comic books I read, Superman's cape has a pouch/pocket in it where he stores his (highly compressed) Clark Kent clothes.

    That way they're always handy for him to change back into his secret identity (and I guess with super powers its easy to get the wrinkles out), and he doesn't have to worry about somebody ripping them off from the phone booth where he changed when he's off fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way.

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    1. Re:Superman's cape. by melatonin · · Score: 2
      I've always wondered why Superman's cape flows so nicely when he flies. I'd expect it to twist into a cord flying behind. I mean, does he fart a lot or something? That would explain how his flight works too. There is an official explanation for his flying ability, but it doesn't explain the cape thing.

      This is not intended as "fart humor." It's just the only plausible explanation that I can think of. Really.

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    2. Re:Superman's cape. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its explained somewhere as telekinetic powers. I'd love to know where it was explained comic book or movie or TV show?

    3. Re:Superman's cape. by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 4, Funny

      Presumably there is also a small sewing kit to mend his shirts after ripping all those buttons off...

    4. Re:Superman's cape. by SWTP · · Score: 1

      Actualy the description of super ccompression of his civies and his cape goes as this: Circa 1970 and before:

      His sute is treated with a special chemical as long as it blue color it will compress. That is the reason give { Really black is harder to create with the three pigmented ink they use for comics. ;) } for only wearing blue suits in the series.

      His cape is not made of earth fabric but from part of the blanket he was wraped in from Kripton. Same for his Superman suite, belt and boots. So it as supper as he is so it does not rip super stretches or get tosses into a ball.

      Actualy check the from 1970 through around 1980 for stories based on his cape and the civies. The main write did a great job of filling in details in a very intersting way. There was one on a creature that grab his civies and one based on some one stealing his cape. There is always the field he generates to handle mass and velosity that would be kind of like being in the ey of the storm so to speek.

      There was also a story in Jimmy Olsen about the Planet of the Capes { around 1967~1970 ] that cover a bit more on capes.

    5. Re:Superman's cape. by doctordoggie · · Score: 1

      Like a super-sewing-suzie!

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  38. amazing by fixed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    it's amazing to me how you can read a reply yesterday and post it as news today and get credit for it... heh

  39. I'm most interested in... by ilyag · · Score: 1

    how did Superman turn around time by turning around Earth's rotation? How did he reverse Earth's rotation around by flying around it in the wrong direction really-really fast?

    Oh, yes, how much energy do you need to circle around earth ~50 times in 1 second, or, assuming that he flies like a sattelite (and, therefore, exerts no force on the planet) accelerates to this velocity?

    Hmm... Radius of earth is ~40000 km. So, speed of 1 revolution/sec is 40000km/sec. Approximately 50 revolutions/2 sec= 25rev/sec = 1000000km/sec=10^6 km/sec, which is greater than speed of light. Still using Newtonian mechanics. He accelerates in something like a second, so the acceleration is 10^6km/sec^2=10^9m/sec^2. His mass is ~60 kg, so the force ma = 6*10^10N.

    That's a lot. Unfortuanetly, E=mc^2 doesn't provide for impressive enough mass of food. Still,...

    ;)

    1. Re:I'm most interested in... by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 1

      Well since as something approaches the speed of light, m->infinity, so we can assume he has infinite mass for traveling at 10^9m/s, approximately 3.333 times the speed of light. Therefore, the earth will start revolving around Superman until Spiderman throws a web into the air, which stops Superman. Assuming the web is unbreakable and does not stretch (I don't want to do Hooke's law!) Superman will have almost infinite negative acceleration, turning him into a bundle of dark matter. Intriguing, since theoretically he could only yield ~5.4x10^18 J (1.5x10^12 kWh) of energy.

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    2. Re:I'm most interested in... by lingqi · · Score: 1

      i would like to point out that there is no theory that indicate that to get to one velocity, you must travel through all the intermittent velocities (i.e. accelerate); for all we know the gentleman just bumped up on the speed ladder, inertia free...

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    3. Re:I'm most interested in... by zer0vector · · Score: 1

      I wonder if this would involve "frame dragging" an occurence seen around black holes. As some massive black holes spin they tend to drag space with them, distorting it close to the event horizon. Assuming superman is approaching the speed of light, then his mass would be enormous and his speed would begin to drastically warp space around earth. While I can't work out how the extent of the warpage, there would definitely be some space-time changes on earth.

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  40. Different Webbing Question by tedrlord · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I always wondered is where all that webbing comes from in the first place. I mean, that web cartridge can only fit so much material inside. They do run out eventually, but it always seemed to me like he could get way too much out of each one. In the movie, he can just shoot webbing out of his hands. Where do the proteins come from? I'd think that after swinging through the city for a while, he'd starve to death.

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  41. Aaack, memories! by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 1
    This brings back memories for me. Anyone in high school physics, have you had these problems before?
    The INFAMOUS Doctor J Problems with the puns. e.g. Doctor J was going in circles trying to figure the angular velocity of the electron.
    Wile. E. Coyote problems -
    (a)Wile E. Coyote, mass 15kg, jumps upwards off a cliff with an initial velocity of 4 m/s. g=9.8 m/s^2. The cliff is 150m high. How fast does he hit?
    (b)He lands on a spring of k=15000 N/m. How much force is exerted by the spring at its maximum compression?
    (c)If the spring sticks and has a mass of 10kg, how fast does he leave the ground?
    (d)What is the probability that Wile E. Coyote runs into CowboyNeal and catches the Roadrunner?
    Express all answers in decimals with four significant figures

    (sorry folks, my AP Physics test is Tuesday...)

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    1. Re:Aaack, memories! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those Dr J. problems were great. They were very good questions to do more complex high school physics, plus all the bad puns.
      I've tried to find these problems online, but have only found like 2 or 3 of the problems.

  42. Re:How ridiculous by tedrlord · · Score: 1

    Wow. This is -wonderful- flamebait on so many levels. I wonder if DrBiscuit is even really a woman. I'm guessing not.

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  43. Starwars science by galaga79 · · Score: 2

    Continuing with the whole Star Wars verses Spiderman/comics thread established by JonKatz a few articles ago, it is interesting to note that Star Wars has also been studied scientifically.

    A astrophysics by the name of Jeanne Cavelos wrote book called The Science of Star Wars, where she talks about how Star Wars fuelled her interest in space exploration and discusses the whole science of Star Wars. You also have the online Star Wars Technical Commentaries that discuss the scientific plausability of the movies. It's good to know that imagination of others be it Stan Lee or George Lucas can help people think scientifically about both the real world and the imagined.

    1. Re:Starwars science by lingqi · · Score: 1

      there are also TONS of star-trek science people, you know... TLC runs a special once in a while =)

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    2. Re:Starwars science by RestiffBard · · Score: 2

      do any of those documents explain why you can hear the whooshing of starships in a vacuum?

      course this is a movie we're talking about so anyway... umm.. nevermind I'll jsut get back to waiting for the flash at Marvel to download.

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    3. Re:Starwars science by chfleming · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, why is the space so dusty that all of the laser blasts have sooo much side scattering that you can see them from all around.

  44. Burger Burn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " He'd lose them to explosions caused by atmospheric friction energy greater than a reentry burn."

    Yumm..reindeer burgers. Heh, and you thought falling satellites was the only thing you had to worry about.

  45. The article has a student saying: by dumbunny · · Score: 1

    "He would have been able to get the first burst of energy, but he would have sunk (in an ocean) after that."

    Hey, if the Flash is circling the globe in 80 seconds, he doesn't need to worry about sinking -- his biggest concern would be how to keep from flying into space.

    1. Re:The article has a student saying: by vinnythenose · · Score: 2

      He wouldn't fly into space if he's falling at a rate proportional to the curvature of the earth. Now I wonder how fast he'd have to fall...

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  46. Also: Cartoon Guide to [REAL] Physics... by Speare · · Score: 2

    We have three cases here.

    • A study of real physics as if cartoon heros were real (such as 'how many calories would the Flash emit'),
    • A study of stage physics used in comedy cartoons (such as 'nothing falls slower than an anvil'),
    • A study of real physics using a cartoon medium to explain them.

    There is an excellent book by Larry Gonick and Art Huffman to cover this last area. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062731009 It goes from understanding simple Newtonian and extended body stuff, magnetism and flux, electrical current, to quantum electro dynamics.

    It is from this book that I finally grokked *why* a gyroscope will precess or rotate its axis when the axis is not aligned against gravity.

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  47. Physics of Star Trek by TheAlmightyQ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Another fun excercise is looking at the physics behind Star Trek. Lawrence M. Krauss wrote a pretty good book on the subject.

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    1. Re:Physics of Star Trek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnest thing about startrek is physics is all the noise in outspace.

  48. Spider-Man catching falling Gwen Stacey by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 3, Informative
    Gwen is knocked from a bridge by the evil Green Goblin, but Spider-Man catches her with his webbing an instant before she hits the water. When Spider-Man pulls her up, he discovers to his horror that she is dead.

    While Spidey was shocked, Kakalios was not.

    The professor estimated Gwen's falling velocity, applied Newton's Second Law of Motion and calculated the G-forces exerted when she went from 95 mph to a standstill in an instant. "It's not surprising her neck broke," Kakalios says.

    This story-point has in been fact been subject to much, much debate and discussion by fans.

    The consensus seems to be that the sudden stop broke her neck, but that this was more a failed rescue attempt at someone who going to die anyway, than a problem totally unknown to Spidey. That is, he was shocked because he thought he'd been able to save her, and failed. Not that he didn't know that he could fail.

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    1. Re:Spider-Man catching falling Gwen Stacey by geekoid · · Score: 2

      within the context of that comic, GG says something like "anyone wuold die from a fall of that height - before they struck the water."
      however, the one thing that implies that spider-man killed her is the effect of 'snap'.
      The authors did a great job of not really saying what had killed her. That alone probablt increased the sales of thei issue by 20%

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  49. The Mighty Thor by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 3, Insightful
    He was probably my favorite as a kid, and is one of the more interesting in terms of physics.

    Thor can "fly" ballistically by throwing his hammer and then catching the leather thong on the end a small fraction of a second later. Class discussion: would this really work? Why or why not? If it did work and Thor routinely accellerates several hundred miles per hour in a fraction of a second, we may acribe the fact that his arm is not ripped from its socket to his godly constitution, but how does his helmet stay on his head? (We've seen it knocked off in fights, so we know it has no natural cranially adhesive properties.)

    How much energy must his hammer expend in order to generate a lightning flash? What are the potential sources for this energy?

    When Thor (or anyone else who is "worthy") holds his hammer, its weight appears to be negligible. For anyone else, the weight is infinite. (We know the mass remains constant. It does not become infinite because of the lack of the normal space-bending effects associated with an infinite mass, and it does not fall to zero because Thor can impart a great deal of momentum with it.) Use Schroedinger's equation to determine a probablity function describing the hammer's weight when nobody is holding it.

    I could go on, but I don't want to be more geeky than absolutely necessary.

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    1. Re:The Mighty Thor by Junta · · Score: 2

      I am not that familiar with Thor, but I'll give a go at some of these questions.

      As far as throwing the hammer and catching it to propel himself, it seems possible. Simple experiment, when bowling, throw the ball forward but don't let go, the moemntum you impart to the ball is sufficient to pull you forward. The question then becomes why do this, as it would be less efficient than jumping or if his legs aren't that strong, jumping with his hands? My guess is that his strength in throwing the hammer is provided by some patented technique that Thor had to license from the inventor, and a term of the license was that he couldn't use this strength to jump (presumably the license to do that would be more expensive), so he cheats the system by using a legal application (throwing the hammer) to accomplish the desired effect without technically violating his license. A clearly awesome hack that allows him to get the most of his money, to be sure. I am certain that since Thor's fragrant misuse of the "throwing" license, the inventor has since revised future license agreement to prevent its misuse.

      As far as his helmet falling off, he just needs to keep his feed pointed roughly in the direction of motion, no biggie.

      As to lightning flashes, I lack sufficient knowledge to make any thoroughly accurate claim, but my guess would be that before he goes to use this power he rubs his feet on some carpet a *lot* before heading out, thereby giving himself a lot of static electricity. Who knows, in his abode he may have a super secret material that is so electropostivie (or negative) it makes him able to build up an abnormally large charge, or maybe it is just your run of the mill rabbit fur. This possible material would very likely be purchased from the same guy who holds the super-strength patent.

      As far as this whole relative-mass thing depedning on worthiness, lighten up, it's just a comic :)

      My physics teacher loved discussing physics in comics and movies. Why is that superman looks just as strained stopping a comet from hitting the earth as he looks stopping a bus on the stree? Why do cars going over cliffs seem to inexplicably jump up before falling (i.e. Thelma & Louise) even when no ramp seems to exist before the jump?

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    2. Re:The Mighty Thor by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2
      My guess is that his strength in throwing the hammer is provided by some patented technique that Thor had to license from the inventor

      It's been many years, but I seem to recall that Thor often twirled the hammer around before taking off. Doing this could conceivably store more energy in the hammer, after the nature of a flywheel, than he could impart with a simple jump.

      As far as this whole relative-mass thing depedning on worthiness, lighten up, it's just a comic

      Actually, the problem as stated is almost solvable, lacking only a potential function. You'd probably have to ask Odin about it.

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    3. Re:The Mighty Thor by am+2k · · Score: 1
      Why do cars going over cliffs seem to inexplicably jump up before falling (i.e. Thelma & Louise) even when no ramp seems to exist before the jump?

      Erm, same thing happend in Speed, and that wasn't even a comic. Maybe someone should test it, any volunteers?

    4. Re:The Mighty Thor by chfleming · · Score: 1

      I am afraid that storing the energy into angular kinetic energy would only cause you to miss fire. The momentum of the hammer would cause Thor to lift off of the ground early or lose his footing.

      For this to work properly, Thor would have to hold the hammer out and spin around the center of mass. However this would look like Thor is dancing with the hammer, and that would look gay.

      Any how, the hammer is magic, so physics doesn't have to apply.

    5. Re:The Mighty Thor by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 2, Funny
      However this would look like Thor is dancing with the hammer, and that would look gay.

      We're talking about a guy around 6'6" or so, muscled as all-get-out, with long blond hair, tights, a sleeveless tunic-thingy, knee-high flared golden boots, and a helmet with wings on it. As far as looking gay goes, I think it's far too late for him.

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    6. Re:The Mighty Thor by markmoss · · Score: 2

      The hammer must be self-propelled in some magical manner. That is, when Thor or someone else "worthy" picks it up, it provides part of the lift; for the "unworthy" it uses it's propulsion to stay right where it is. For flying, "throwing" it signals the speed and direction, then it takes off, dragging Thor after it...

    7. Re:The Mighty Thor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you all for this thread about Thor. I havent had a good laugh in a while.

  50. Where does spiderman get all that stuff from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What i want to know is where spiderman gets all his webbing from. Like, in that scene in the movie where Parker is standing on top of a building shooting his load over and over trying to hit the crane successfully, i had to wonder.. doesn't he get, uh, tired eventually? Is his supply inexaustible? where are the glands that's allowing him to store all that stuff in his arm?

    In the comic strip i seem to remember something about "web fluid".. but they seemed to imply he was shooting the stuff from a little device. am i remembering wrong? (Of course, the comic strip also implied that his sticky-hands-and-feet thing even worked when he was wearing gloves and shoes.. so i dunno how much you can trust it.)

    I'm just thinking, either some process i'm unaware of is going on, or that guy just has an inexaustible supply, if he's able to swing all the way across new york. And if he really is able to shoot fluid in those quantities over and over without breaks getting tired, well, all i have to say is i hope that Parker gets the girl (MJ) in the end of the next movie. For her sake, anyway.

    1. Re:Where does spiderman get all that stuff from? by spectatorion · · Score: 1

      in the movie the webs were part of the mutation, caused by glands in his arms. in the comics, he gained the ability to create web fluid and used his science know-how to make wrist bands that would shoot the webs out. thus, in the comics his web supply was very finite (and in fact ran out many times) but in the movie, it was natural and hence effectively limitless. basically, you were right on both accounts and just failed to realize that the movie and comic are different. hope this helps.

  51. willful suspension of disbelief by Rashan · · Score: 1

    It's kinda cool to know, whether it was intentional or not, that some of the things in comic books are possible, according to the laws of physics as we know them. It adds a bit of plausibility to them.

    But one shouldn't be bound to them by any stretch... by reading comic books you enter into a willful suspension of disbelief. Kind of like when you go see a live play. Everyone knows it's not real, but we turn a blind eye to the unlikely or impossible because it makes the experience more enjoyable.

    Just so with comic books and the like. Is it physically possible for Spider-man to climb walls? Eh... who cares? It's cool stuff.

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  52. Good ol' Acme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We add rockets... to everything.

  53. Iron Man by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    With an early (like at 9yrs old) exposure to electronics I was lost trying to figure out how Iron Man "charged up" power transistors. I would have suggested they change that to capacitors or something, but once you start applying logic to comic book physics it's time to find a different comic book where the illusion isn't so easily shattered. Probably this has much to do with why I dumped comics and moved straight over to MAD. Hasn't affected me adversely at all %)

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  54. "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" not right by Seth+Finkelstein · · Score: 2
    I don't think it would be a smart idea to get too deep into this on Slashdot, but the physics of "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" aren't DC-universe-correct in several places.

    For example, it's pretty well established in the DC unverse that humans can receive a blood transfusion from Superman, and they don't die of hemorrhage from super blood cells perforating their arteries and veins.

    So every Kryptonian cell is not "super"-harmful.

    Also, Superman is not a total idiot, so he'll undoubtedly be watching a pregnant wife very closely for possible complications from a super-fetus (X-ray vision's better than ultra-sound!). And take action at the first sign of a problem. It's not like they don't have an inkling that it's a high-risk pregnancy.

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    1. Re:"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" not right by Catbeller · · Score: 2

      "Also, Superman is not a total idiot, so he'll undoubtedly be watching a pregnant wife very closely for possible complications from a super-fetus (X-ray vision's better than ultra-sound!). And take action at the first sign of a problem. It's not like they don't have an inkling that it's a high-risk pregnancy. "

      I have this vision of Supes shrinking himself to about half a centimeter in size, and... taking action. Does he tell Lois to lie back, then flies his mini-self into her uterus? Hand to hand with the fetus until it calms down? He's gonna be a busy hero for nine months.

      I gotta draw this...

    2. Re:"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" not right by geekoid · · Score: 2

      of course, it assumes he has a penis, and that Superman isn't the baby carring gender, that there sperm is similiar to ours, and that Kryptonians find as much pleasure in sex as we do.
      and that superman isn't gay, and that he's not sterile, etc,etc,etc...

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  55. Revised estimate by ilyag · · Score: 1

    I basically messed up everything above. First, I treated Newtons like Jewels. Then, with this speed radius of Superman's orbit will be very close to 0 (speed decreases with radius, and at Earth's surface the speed is 8m/s). Yes, 40000km is the circumference of Earth.

    So, now I'm ignoring the acceleration. When Superman flies at R~6000km @ 10^9m/s, his acceleration outwards (that produces the centrifugal force) will be v^2/R=10^18/6*10^6=1.66*10^12m/s^2. We have to subtract g, which acts the other way, but it's negligibely small. OK, now the force is F = ma = 60kg*1.66*10^12m/s^2=10^14N. The work he had done, W=Fs=10^14N * 4*10^7m * 50revolutions = 2*10^24J

    OK, now E=mc^2
    m = 2*10^24J/(3*10^8m/s)^2 = 2*10^24/9*10^16~10^8kg. That's a lot of food, even if all of it's mass converts to energy (Superman has a matter-antimatter engine?).

    Then, imagine the mechanical consequence of such a thing - tidal waves, hurricanes, etc...

    Yes, maybe the cause-effect is backwards? If time goes backwards, Earth would go in the other direction by itself. But then, what is flying for?

  56. no amount of physics by bite.me · · Score: 1

    Can explain Spiderman turning down Mary Jane.

    1. Re:no amount of physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spiderman is obviously gay

  57. Wild Cards books w/ real world physics by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    Was kinda surprised that there was no mentrion of this series by George R. Martin, Roger Zelazny, etc. (it's a shared universe series)

    Nifty series, but only just now coming back into print (and I still need to lay my hands on the last book...)

    William

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  58. Anything to get the students excited by evilpenguin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the biggest issues I think our society faces is a lack of basic science. I don't mean a knowledge of facts. We've got plenty of that. Ignorance of the methods of science -- how to do science -- makes us uncritical acceptors of media manipulation.

    Anyone who can get someone to learn and do basic physics deserves respect and thanks. I had a teacher like this. He didn't use something so consistently systematic as comic book physics, but we did have a lot of fun doing calulations of pointlessly impossible experiments. I remember going over the calculations for the conversion of velocity to heat in a collision by calculating how fast you would have to throw a tomato at a brick wall to have it fully cooked on impact (never mind that you wouldn't be able to scrape enough of the result together to make a milliliter).

    I remember calculating if you spontaneously destructed the sun how much oatmeal you could cook (in cups).

    We also did some real physics, like designing a balsa wood bridge (everone got the same materials with no rules on how you could use the materials) to take the greatest load. We did our vector math, we did our elastic collisions, we did our statics. We also did a lot of "frictionless monkey" problems.

    I loved physics and even though I ended up a programmer with a history major, I took away a love for and a basic knowledge of science.

    Teachers like this are the greatest resource in the world.

    1. Re:Anything to get the students excited by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
      We also did some real physics, like designing a balsa wood bridge (everone got the same materials with no rules on how you could use the materials) to take the greatest load.

      When I was in engineering school, the final exam in statics for mechanical engineers consisted of designing a flat link, out of a specified grade of aluminum plate, to connect two pins and go around some obstacles. Several hours at a drafting table were allowed. No computer access. No talking to anybody. A scaled drawing had to be turned in.

      Each student's link was then machined, by a machinist following the drawing, out of aluminum plate as specified. The link was then placed in a hydraulic testing machine and the specified load was applied.

      If the link broke, the student failed the course.

      If the link didn't break, the link was weighed, and the grade depended on the weight, lighter weights yielding higher grades.

      That's what engineering is about.

    2. Re:Anything to get the students excited by evilpenguin · · Score: 2

      I agree. The class I'm talking about was more of a freshman physics survey class. We did these little engineering problems because the goal was to introduce physics and engineering. The only math prereq was pre-calculus. I was in no way operating at the level you're talking about.

      My point is that even people going for liberal arts degrees should be able to handle any basic application of F=ma. They should also understand the principles of experimental science (quantifiable, repeatable, controlled for variables, etc.). There is so much flim-flam out there and people buy it.

      Feynman's speech on "Cargo Cult Science" pegs the issues for me. We live in a scientific age in the sense that the science professionals have made staggering progress in understanding the universe, but the rest of us (and I guess I'm part of the rest of us) accept these discoveries as facts in exactly the same way we accepted the pronouncements of any other priesthood in history. When you are ignorant of the methods of science you can't do anything else. Since I am not so ignorant, I have some chance of judging claims of scientific fact. Not that I have a superconducting super-collider in my basement...

    3. Re:Anything to get the students excited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A superconducting quantum interference device would be cool though.

    4. Re:Anything to get the students excited by geekoid · · Score: 2

      "That's what engineering is about."
      engineering is about making people afraid to take risks?

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  59. Everything I Know of Science... by hybridpi · · Score: 0

    ...I Learned from Reading Comic Books.

    Thats what the course is called, I attend the University of Minnesota (or actually attened...I just got back from graduation ceremonieis), and this course is pretty well know among most of us in the tech majors. This course is insanely popular...and it isn't offered every semester. It is actually less a course, than it is a seminar. A freshman seminar, no less. So I personally didn't get a chance to take it...but I wish I did.

    From what I understand this course is incredibly fun, especially for those of us who found physics to be slightly dry freshman year

    In any case, yes, this course exists. And yes, it is indeed very popular with the students (like that would be hard to guess).

  60. Cartoon Physics PhD by cymraeg · · Score: 3, Funny

    I already got mine from ACME University.

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  61. Superman's cape... by bje2 · · Score: 1

    i dunno if it provides lift...but i do know that as Jim Croce would say... "You don't tug on Superman's cape "...

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  62. Ultimate cartoon physics by Storm · · Score: 1

    Yes, but does he cover Wil-E-Coyote's portable hole that the Roadrunner can run over but he always falls in to? Inquiring minds want to know...

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  63. Jean-Pierre Petit Les Aventures d'Anselme Lanturlu by gotan · · Score: 2

    The subject "comic book physics" reminded me of the books by Jean-Piere Petite. He wrote some really nice and interesting comic books, and i think he really managed to illustrate some (advanced) physics/mathematics concepts (relativity, black holes, magneto-hydrodynamics, topology, ...) in his books without confusing his audience with mathematical formulae.

    I read the books when i was about two years into studying physics (and they were still interesting), and i wished i'd have read them earlier (maybe about the age of 14 or so). The best thing about the books was, that they would teach you to be curious about nature/mathematics (provided some interest in the subject), and to play with your imagination and new concepts.

    There's this website about the book, but apparently it isn't very forthcoming (yet) if you aren't interested in french versions of Anselms adventures. I know there is a german translation of the (originally french) comics (which you can still order at amazon), but couldn't find an english one (maybe there is no one, or the main characters first name isn't "anselm").

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  64. Obligatory i-know-the-guy by TheCubic · · Score: 1

    Kakalios was my freshman physics (non-comic) TA.

    We did do the gwen stacy problem and several other comic-book problems.

    Interesting guy, always gave us donuts to reward us for showing up to his 8AM class :)

  65. Here's one I'd like to see answered... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Okay, if vulgarity offends you, please stop reading.

    How the hell can Clark and Lois possibly have sex? I mean, wouldn't his cum shot just blow her head clean off? I'd be willing to transfer to U of M to take that course, so long as they answer that question...

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  66. Comic book physics is more than meets the eye by WEFUNK · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps the inhabitants of Krypton enjoy similar laws of physics as those of Cybertron.

    According to the Transformers FAQ the commonly accepted answer to the question "Where does [Optimus] Prime's trailer go when he transforms?" is that each Transformer has access to a personal "subspace" in another dimension that they can use for storage and teleport objects from. The subspace is also used to store weapons and the changes in mass that occur when massive robots change size and weight, into tiny cassette tapes for instance.

    So, true believer, perhaps there is some universal consistency in Comic Book Physics - even across different comic book universes (DC vs. Marvel).

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  67. I have come to the conclusion... by Rhinobird · · Score: 1

    If you read the Green Lantern Bible that Niven wrote, then you come to realize that all humaniod creatures in the universe are descended from the Oans. The Oans are, of course, the gaurdians of the universe and founded the Green Lantern core. The Oans' guard power is a super powerful psycic power.

    What does this have to do with Superman? Well, since all humaoid life is descended from Oans, then all humanoid life has latent guard power. All of Superman's abilities are psycic in nature. He has heat vision, a primitive form of the kind of thing that was going on in firestarter. He can fly. Many spiritual disiplines say that with practice a person can fly. He can see through things. This is more of a clairavoyance than actuall xray vision. Also Superman is vulnerable to magic.

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    1. Re:I have come to the conclusion... by raistlinne · · Score: 2

      Can you give a citation for that quote? It's really cool

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  68. Next: Pr0n Biology by I+didn't · · Score: 1

    or Pr0n Info. Sci.

    Oh, wait, Pr0n Human Nutrition...

    Also Pr0n Comic Anthropology(so this post is in-topic!)

  69. Pfft, this is a college course?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    History major Kristin Barbieri, 19, tried to figure out how much caloric energy the Flash would need to circle the globe in 80 seconds, as he did in one comic book. She concluded that the superhero simply could not have eaten enough to do it.

    Duh, he eats at the speed of light too!

  70. What a way with words... by On+Lawn · · Score: 1

    The professor estimated Gwen's falling velocity, applied Newton's Second Law of Motion and calculated the G-forces exerted when she went from 95 mph to a standstill in an instant. "It's not surprising her neck broke," Kakalios says.

    Kakalios made Gwen's death an exam problem during the course's first semester last fall.


    That has got to be one of the most uniquely staged sentences I have ever read. I can stare at it for hours. Somewhere in there is a pun waiting to happen I think. Maybe more.

  71. Anything to make a buck, right? by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    Whatever pays the bills, and all that. At least it's better than the story of a college professor using school funds to go to strip bars to not only enjoy the scenery, but partake of it as well, then show his sex ed class the videos he took of the excursion... Really, I ain't lyin.

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  72. The author speaks by heinzkeinz · · Score: 1



    Prof. Kakalios himself wrote an op-ed piece for the Minnesota Star-Tribune here

    There's a bit more info here.

    The course description:

    Science in Comic Books
    James Kakalios, Physics
    Phys 1905, section 4 (#28788)
    2 credits
    T 2:30 - 4:25 p.m., FordH 155

    How much energy is required to cause the planet Krypton to explode? If you were born on a more massive planet, would you be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound here on Earth? Using concepts and characters from comic books, this class will explore basic notions of physics, chemistry, and biology. In addition to identifying scientific bloopers, we will discuss those cases where the comic creators got the science right. Requires high school algebra and geometry.


    </karma whore>

    Two hours a week. Seems pretty easy to me, and that's coming from an artsy-type who took a course at the University of Toronto called "The Magic of Physics". I like easy credits.

  73. Reminds me of a problem set in Physics 4A by SonOfFlubber · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I was a freshman at the U of California we had a problem set assigned to our freshman physics class (classical mechanics) that was something along these lines:

    "Superman: Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Calculate reasonable estimates of the kinetic energy, power, and impulse, respectively, of these feats; show your work."

    As we got back our graded papers the professor remarked that we all pretty were much in the ballpark with our calculations, but one student's numbers were considerably greater. That's when the student said, "Well I used a greater mass than everybody else did since I remembered that Superman is the Man of Steel." He got full credit.

  74. Lets talk ecnomics. by Faux_Pseudo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hmm. According to current theory there are 13 dimensions. We exist
    in 4 of them so that leaves 9 left over for all the rest. I think the
    Star Trek comics have easily surpassed 9 dimensions. Lets not even
    consider the number of dimensions an plains that The Sandman goes to.

    What I have always wondered about is the economics of comic books. Who
    read the death of Superman? Did you see all of the damage they caused
    in the final fight between the two of them in a downtown area? I have
    seen whole urban areas reduced to ruble but I never see any reference
    to insurances policies against mutants. I never here about how the
    stock market took a dive while waiting to find out if the world was
    going to be destroyed. Do sales of tabloids go up if some one claims
    to be caring $super_hero's baby? Where are all of these headlines?
    Where are do these Evil_Super_Weapons manufactures get their funding
    from? How does a contractor hide the one million dollars that it
    earned from doing a upgrade to the Bat Cave from the IRS without them
    asking questions? How does Bruce Wayne write off a million here or
    there for replacement BatMobils?
    Its things like this that caused me a long time ago to stop reading
    Super Hero comics. I much prefer the mental drama comics instead of
    the physical drama ones.

    I mentioned The Sandman above. This is a prime example of the way
    things should be done. When the moon is brought down to earth by one
    a which for a spell involving the moon goddess, Gaiman makes a
    point of mentioning that a hurricane altered its course as a result.
    When Dream goes traveling on earth he uses a old Babylonian god that
    is an expert at handling transportation issues like customs and knows
    how to work the system. When Dr. Dee makes the whole world go insane
    you see bits on TV letting you know that the whole world is indeed
    going insane and not just the people in the diner. These things
    aren't hidden in the background never to thought of like they are in
    most comics for fear that it will ruin suspension of disbelief.

    I love comics. I just wish that they didn't exist in a vacuum where
    not just the rules of physics don't apply but the rules of economics
    and media aren't even mentioned.

    1. Re:Lets talk ecnomics. by beertopia · · Score: 1

      You know, I was going to just agree with you here, and maybe point to The Watchmen, Allan Moore's classic take on the damage that superheroes can do. I also liked Marvels, the non-canonical take on the Marvel universe, photorealistically illustrated by Alex Ross, that focuses in a very consistent way on the human impact of having all those superlative beings around.

      But then I started thinking... how do we know that, say, Larry Ellison isn't using some of his unimaginably huge fortune to build monstrous evil superweapons? The man flies fighter planes for a hobby... you think he can't write off, say, the odd space-based laser? Yeah, that's what he wants us to think. We'll all be sorry when he finally takes over the world.

      I could give you plenty of other real-world examples, but I've just realized that not only am I posting stuff about comics, on slashdot, at 4 am on a Saturday, but that it's barely even on-topic, so maybe I'll just kill myself instead.

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    2. Re:Lets talk ecnomics. by huginOGmunin · · Score: 1

      geek_mode

      in the Marvel Universe, there is a company called Damage Inc. that goes around repairing superhero/villain damage.

      They're paid by insurance companies who of course have SuperHero Damage Insurance Policies for sale in all major cities.

      /geek_mode

    3. Re:Lets talk ecnomics. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      > geek_mode

      > in the Marvel Universe, there is a company called Damage Inc. that goes around repairing
      > superhero/villain damage.

      ubergeek_mode

      It was Damage Control. That was a pretty damn funny couple of mini-series, too. How would *you* like to try and collect Victor Von Doom's overdue bills? (Actually, he paid. He is, after all, *lawful* evil...)

      /ubergeek_mode

      > They're paid by insurance companies who of course have SuperHero Damage Insurance Policies
      > for sale in all major cities.

      > /geek_mode

      Chris Mattern

  75. Aargh, Number rant time... by chfleming · · Score: 1

    A calorie is a unit of energy, there are 1000 calories in a dietary calorie.

    As far as gross structure of the physical universe is concerned (sizes much larger than the plank scale), the calories of food required is a "real" number and is not countable.

    As far as reading food labels is concerned, the calories of food eaten is an "integer" number and is countable.

    And considering the context, a physics class, there is no grammatical error in using the word "amount". It only seems akward, because you are thinking of the word "calorie" in a different sense.

    1. Re:Aargh, Number rant time... by AJWM · · Score: 2

      Even in this context, it's an error. "Calorie" is a unit of measurement (see earlier post). It would, however, be quite correct to refer to an "amount of energy" or "amount of heat", and just as wrong to say "a number of heat".

      Or, in a complete sentence: "the amount of heat is indicated by the number of calories". ;-)

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  76. listen carefully by chfleming · · Score: 1

    To understand special relativity you must think clearly.

    1) If Flash runs at the speed of light for 5 minutes STOP

    5 minutes in whose frame of reference?
    a) In 5 minutes in the earth's frame of reference, the Flash would age 0 minutes.
    b) In the frame of reference traveling at the speed of light, time does not progress. You can't spend 5 minutes traveling at the speed of light!!!

    This makes no sense, so perhaps you mean this question.

    2) If Flash runs near the speed of light for 5 minutes (by his watch), how much time would have passed when he is finished?

    The answer is that any amount of time between 5 minutes and infinity could have passed depending on how close the Flash was to the speed of light.

    However, there is no where on earth that would take 5 minutes traveling near the speed of light, only seconds. That length of time is on the order of traveling to the Sun.

    1. Re:listen carefully by t · · Score: 2
      It is obviously not 5 minutes on the Flash's watch since at the speed he is traveling (whatever it is) one quick glance at his watch and ker-splat!! I have enough trouble driving at 80mph while looking at a gps.

      I think it would be cool to rewrite various comics, but do so with more realistic physics, e.g., watch the flash erupt into flames when he runs too fast.

      t.

    2. Re:listen carefully by geekoid · · Score: 2

      I don't mind if normal phsics don't apply to superhero's but I would be nice if it applied to the things they touched.
      There is a tv episode of the flash, where he takes a car a part in about 5 seconds. It would have been cool if all the pieces where red hot.

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  77. Spidermans Spider Sense by n4zgl · · Score: 1

    you know, the black squiggly lines around his head, that sixth sense that says 'danger danger!' This is a quantum effect, that was handed down by the comics god (hereafter referred to as "Stan, the Excelsior") so that THIS superhero will not suffer the same fat as that damn catman, that just had to hide in the box... nuff said!

  78. ignore by n4zgl · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    just a test.. see if this os works :>

  79. Imagine a failed student's evaluation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you imagine what a student he'd fail would write in the evaluation? "THE WORST CLASS, EVER!"

  80. A bigger problem with spidey, by Apuleius · · Score: 2

    is that when he swings, the web he hangs
    by is so long that the pendulum frequency
    is ludicrously low. That is why the old
    live action Spider Man show only rarely
    showed him trying to propell himself that
    way: it was slower than molasses in January.

    1. Re:A bigger problem with spidey, by FurryFeet · · Score: 2

      You are assuming that he starts with a velocity of zero on the horizontal.
      I always pictured him taking off with a huge horizontal kickoff, so that he starts with a very large speed on the x-axis. He only has to mantain it.
      If he just jumped off a building and depended on the pendulum to get his x-axis speed, I'd agree with you.

    2. Re:A bigger problem with spidey, by astroboscope · · Score: 0
      But the frequency (f = sqrt(g/l)) isn't the same as the speed (v = lf = sqrt(lg)), so the speed does go up with length (l). I only checked this with dimensional analysis, so I am probably missing a pi/2, but it doesn't matter.

      Also Spidey can and does usually start each swing with an initial velocity, and doesn't always stick to small angles.

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  81. Superman's psychic powers... by Thornae · · Score: 1

    Dammit, I should be going to sleep, but I can't resist chipping in here.

    Firstly, the Oans reference is new to me, and a lovely little piece of derivation too. I'm going to have to go and look that one up. (Aside - Niven's one of my personal geek-type heroes, and not just for Ringworld, either.)

    The main thing, however, is that I concluded many years ago that the basis of Supe's powers had to be psychic from one single picture. Said image was of the boy from Krypton flying out of the sea, holding a large battle-ship over his head. Now, I followed the chain of logic that, as most of DC's physics were reasonably faithful, lifting a battle ship up with no more support that two hand size areas was impossible (he'd just punch a neat hole thru' the ship). He possibly could have been using his super-breath to create an air-cushion to support the whole of the ship, but he was looking down, plus which super breath wasn't inferred from the drawing (no puffed cheeks, lines from mouth, etc). Thus, the large area of support needed to lift the ship was being provided by some other agency, ergo Superman must have psychic powers.

    Now, it's quite possible that DC had some much better explanation, or have already covered all this, but I've never been more than an occasional reader, and this satisfied me (I was young at the time..).

    Much later, this little episode made me realise how odd the mechanism of suspension of disbelief is - we'll accept some hugely outrageous things, and choke on one tiny detail, without even noticing another equally implausible but unimportant thing. Still, it's what works that counts...

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  82. AND by masterkool · · Score: 0

    some will refute that it is impossible to fall until the subject raises a picket with the word "YIKES" painted on it. This tends to catylize the gravitons into a collective downward movement.

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