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Cracking Down on MP3s at the Office

jhaberman writes "News.com has a story about how corporations are now starting to crack down on networked MP3's, not necessarily for the reasons you might think." Talks about legal issues, as well as bandwidth issues, and the simple issue of employees wasting their employers time.

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  1. Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Nijika · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's no reason to have a fileserver full of MP3's on the company dime. These days it's tantamount to having porno on the corporate fileserver.

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    Luck favors the prepared, darling.
    1. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by usr122122121 · · Score: 2, Funny
      These days it's tantamount to having porno on the corporate fileserver.
      so, what if you work for a porn distribution corporation? are mp3s okay then?
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      -braxton
    2. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Shelled · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No reason? Well, I better remove the two servers I just installed that record the broadcast signals of three radio stations in MP3 form and make them network available by web browser. And maybe all the sound effects and music used by production.

      Sometimes there is a reason to keep MP3's on the server.

    3. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Yorrike · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I've got a little "secret" (ie, everyone knows about it unofficially), mp3 server sitting under my desk next to my workstation. It's a terribly low spec pentium that was going to be slide into storage.

      The reason? We're a pretty easy going company and having a dedicated server saves HDD space on everyone's machines. It also makes it ten times easier to wipe a machine and set it up again, without people complaining that you lost their gigs of MP3s.

      I'd say that listening to music allows for greater efficientcy in the workplace too. I know I work better with some funky beats being pumped into my ears.

      --

      Looks can be deceiving. Or CAN they?

    4. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by pedro · · Score: 2, Flamebait

      No shit!
      This sort of thing is just a small scale example of the corruption of values that brought Enron down, and will shortly end Worldcom.
      'MEMEMEMEME!' bullshit. Let's slap those puppies down. They're no better than spammers.
      d00dz!
      You HAVE TO HAVE AND EMBRACE A SET OF VALUES THAT ACTUALLY WORK!
      Otherwise this great place that we know as 'the Net' is gonna go away. The commons! We can't afford to lose that!
      Police your buds. Be relentless.
      I pray that made sense, as I have a buzz on...

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      Brak: What's THAT?
      Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
    5. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      US New & World Report recently reported (17 June 2002) that the Secret Service used to show Porn movies in their break room at the White House during the night shift. They even posted a lookout to watch if a female agent was passing by.

      And, of course, security camera operators may indulge certain voyeuristic pastimes.

    6. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by neuroticia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only if they contain loud moaning sounds.

      -Sara

    7. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Aceticon · · Score: 2

      Yeah you're right!

      It's much beter that each user has their own stash of MP3s on their hard-drives - that's a much more efficient use of resources!!!

    8. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      Firstly, it's illegal.

      Secondly, it is a myth that people work better with music playing. People often say "I work better with music playing" but what they really mean is "subjectively, it feels like I work better with music playing." My science teacher once did an experiment with the class that seemed to show that music is actually a distraction for a task that requires a high level of mental activity. When you think about it, that has to be the case: if you're listening to music you must be diverting some of your concentration towards it and away from the task in hand.

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      All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
    9. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually music playing by all studies decreases your ability to work. It does on the other hand raise morale, and allow people to be more motivated to actually do work, even if it's a tiny bit less efficient.

      Companies unfortunatly cannot condone the mp3 server as it's patently illegal. When workers have mp3s on their machines, companies can claim unknowing, and then only the employee gets in trouble.

    10. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      I think it was Bush II. I don't remember the details, and don't wish to pay the USNR archive fee.

    11. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by Nijika · · Score: 2

      Hey man, my MP3 collections usually have at least one nasty peice of porno for those boring shifts...

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      Luck favors the prepared, darling.
    12. Re:Bring your MP3's to work on CD-Rom... by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Actually music playing by all studies decreases your ability to work.
      How about if playing music IS your job? I think in that case the inverse would hold true...
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      A man who wants nothing is invincible
  2. But the best quote from the article... by chennes · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Some of these corporations, we are told, have their own little networks--that is very clearly illegal."
    --RIAA President Cary Sherman

    Man, I hope this one was taken out of context!!

    1. Re:But the best quote from the article... by Verizon+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why of course. We need to outlaw LANs, because just like Napster and WinMX and Kazaa etc... they have the capability of exchanging files and/or other data with other people.

      Clearly a travesty.

      --

      Aw, fuck it. Let's go bowling. - The Big Lebowski

    2. Re:But the best quote from the article... by wljones · · Score: 2

      I did read the article, and they are referring to companies that allow their employees to copy copyrighted songs over the company LAN. I am with the /. community. If they come trying to mess with my home network, two computers behind a firewall, they will be invited to use my guest chairs. Those chairs are sharp pointed iron spikes dipped in dog waste.

    3. Re:But the best quote from the article... by pne · · Score: 2

      Only if someone else can hear you, because that's a public performance which you have to pay fees on :)

      --
      Esli epei etot cumprenan, shris soa Sfaha.
  3. Re:'bots. by Sanity · · Score: 2
    Good. I can hardly wait for the "music wants to be free" and "find another job, man" commentary from the hordes of slashbots who've never had a job.
    There is something to be said for employers who give their employees some flexibility, and place some trust in them to know how to maxamize their own productivity. Many people, particularly software engineers, find that they can work more effectively with music.

    And before you accuse me of being a deadbeat "slashbot", I have been both an employee and an employer.

  4. Can have them just not download by Christianfreak · · Score: 2

    Where I work we're not allowed to download them but they don't care if we have them especially if we show they came from CDs we own.

    I can understand it, legal issues, bandwidth and a time waster. Makes sense to me.

  5. Re:'bots. by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

    But it's my God-given right to download pr0n and MP3s and warez onto my company provided computer! It's in the Constitution!

  6. uh, taco? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    from the but-i-need-those-tunes-to-live dept.

    CmdrTaco - I think you'll be fine. Last I checked, you're not a blonde female, and your mp3's arent repititions of "Breathe in .... Breathe out .... Breathe in .... Breathe out ...."

    1. Re:uh, taco? by JediTrainer · · Score: 2

      Have you heard Machinehead by Bush?

      Breathe in... Breathe out.... Breathe in.... Breathe out.... Breathe in

      --

      You can accomplish anything you set your mind to. The impossible just takes a little longer.
  7. Why are mp3's so bad? by cheinonen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have mp3's at work on my computer because I keep all my CD's at home in a 300 disc changer, and have ripped them all to my mp3 server at home. If I want to listen to an album, I'll download it from my FTP then listen to it for a few weeks before I delete it. It takes me no more time to queue up an album in Winamp than to swap between CD's like other people do at work for music. If I'm not pirating or sharing files, why can't I listen to mp3's?

    1. Re:Why are mp3's so bad? by ksheff · · Score: 2

      Time-shifting' (recording a tv show for later viewing) has been upheld as legit. What The Fuck's wrong with 'format-shifting'?!

      It denies extra profits from the media companies. They want you to keep buying copies instead of buying it once and replicating it for your own purposes. Want the CD at work? Carry it along on your commute or buy a copy for work. If it gets damaged or stolen? Buy another copy. A new media format is created, buy another copy. Ideally, they want you to pay every damn time you listen or watch something.

      Personally, I don't care what the RIAA considers legal. The US Supreme Court has ruled that that copying for fair use purposes (archival, backups, time shifting, etc.) is legal and that's the standard I'll stick to.

      --
      the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
  8. Sigh by buffer-overflowed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I read this, I didn't think it was news, pretty much anyone who has had a professional job can say, yea we aren't supposed to use our work computers for much besides work (Doesn't mean you do always use it for work, you always have some leeway.)

    Typically, the RIAA receives tips about alleged illegal file swapping through its anonymous tip line. It then threatens legal action and asks companies to stop. So far, the tactics may be working.

    That is what scared me... how BSA like the RIAA is. Anonymous file sharing tip line? So some disgruntled employee anonymously says they traded MP3s and they go after the company. That's just a new low for them.

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    The key to the enjoyment of pop music is to replace any instance of "love" with "C.H.U.D."
    1. Re:Sigh by Bouncings · · Score: 2
      That's just a new low for them.
      Dude, this is the RIAA we're talking about. No low is too low. They make Enron look like the ideal image for ethics.
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      -- Ken Kinder ken@_nospam_kenkinder.com http://kenkinder.com/
  9. My company's policy is to fire by seen2much · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My company takes a hardline view on anything to do with the computers. The IT guy who was running a pirate software and mp3 server was quickly dismissed. And even the few who have installed software have been fired. We don't have the MP3 problem because our computers sound drivers are disabled by admin. If someone was industrious enought to enable them it would be pretty obvious what you did and would quickly be without job.

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    "Beware the squirrels"
    1. Re:My company's policy is to fire by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      The IT guy who was running a pirate software and mp3 server was quickly dismissed.

      The other stuff you mentioned may be a bit stronger than the average, but firing someone running a warez site on a company computer is hardly "hardline"...

    2. Re:My company's policy is to fire by abe+ferlman · · Score: 5, Funny

      our company has installed special "anti-fun" headsets on all employee units. We called them "shit-colored glasses" for a while until Helen lost her job for saying it at a staff meeting; now we just call them "productivity goggles".

      They are some pretty amazing technology- they filter out bright colors from your field of vision so you won't be distracted, and they give you a mild electrical shock (akin to the type of therapy used to treat homosexuality in the '50's) whenever you have a creative thought. It's pretty amazing, you can really focus on what you set out to do so long as it's mind-numbingly banal.

      But other than that working for the MPAA isn't too bad.

      --
      microsoftword.mp3 - it doesn't care that they're not words...
    3. Re:My company's policy is to fire by sharkey · · Score: 2

      mild electrical shock (akin to the type of therapy used to treat homosexuality in the '50's) whenever you have a creative thought

      Hmmm...two Independant Thought Alarms in one day. The employees are overstimulated. Willy! Remove all the colored white-board markers from the conference rooms.

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      --
      "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
  10. I've read the article by Juhaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And it's the two usual reasons again.

    1. Bandwidth Hogs

    2. RIAA on the arse.

    Where does it say it's some other reason?

  11. Thank jebus... by DigitalHammer · · Score: 5, Funny

    At my workplace, the woman in the cubicle neighboring mine plays Hanson and Bette Midler mp3s off of her personal server on open-air earphones for 5 hours straight. Everyone within a 10 foot radius hates her because of that. Even the boss tells her it's reducing our performance-ever since she set up that server, our productivity and innovation has gone down dramatically. The boss decided to shut down the server to get us back on track, but the RIAA got to him before he had the chance.

    We're probably the only people glad that the RIAA is cracking down on businesses with mp3 filled servers. :)

  12. ridiculous by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So the RIAA is intimidating companies into restricting mp3 traffic on their own networks and, at least in one case, paying them a handsome settlement. True, most companies have perfectly legitimate reasons for doing so (waste of time, bandwidth, etc.), and I wouldn't argue that they shouldn't restrict such traffic, but I don't like the RIAA sticking its nose into private businesses with legal threats. How long before they escalate to BSA-style tactics? Will they demand internal network audits or bandwidth usage reports from companies suspected of trading music? Will they ultimately demand the right to search hard drives for illegal copies of their precious new Eminem/Moby duet? Will they have offices raided in search of illegal data? And, finally, will they simply present suspected companies with a bill for each suspected download?

    Sigh. Why doesn't the RIAA just admit that they have found a new business model in the post-mp3 world: it's called extortion.

    1. Re:ridiculous by commodoresloat · · Score: 2
      Committing a crime is a crime. Abbetting one is also a crime. Prosecuting someone for a crime is not extortion.

      True, if you're a cop. If you're a business, and you're not prosecuting, but intimidating a company into giving you money, what else can an honest man call it?

      Fucking Idiot.

      Nice sig.

  13. gotta do something with those disks by Sabalon · · Score: 2

    Ordered a server today - was told not to scrimp. It has about 700GB of diskspace and needs about 50GB.

    1. Re:gotta do something with those disks by Sabalon · · Score: 2

      Actually, I would have it 1/7th filled as soon as it came in. If I brought my 500 CD's to work, it'd be even higher!

  14. nothing to do with the article by dboyles · · Score: 3

    Networked MP3s is the key here. If you're sharng your collection with people who don't own those CDs, that's illegal. Whether or not it's unethical is an exercise left to the reader, but I don't think anybody can logically debate the legality.

    I know the kneejerk reaction is to scream "But MP3 is just a file format!" If what you say is true, that you're not allowing others to access your music, then you have nothing to worry about - you're covered under fair use.

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    -- "Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage." -Naomi Littlebear
    1. Re:nothing to do with the article by Bake · · Score: 2

      So it's illegal for me to lend someone a CD? After all, they don't own said CD and I'm sharing said CD. If I do that, can I expect an RIAA agent coming in on a silent black helicopter landing on my rooftop and prosecute me for the simple and genourous act of, god forbid, doing what I was tought was nice back in kindergarten, and SHARE?

    2. Re:nothing to do with the article by dboyles · · Score: 2

      So it's illegal for me to lend someone a CD?

      No.

      But if you make a copy of that CD so that you can listen to it and still lend it out to friends, that is not fair use, and is illegal. In the same fashion, if you pay $1 to legally download an MP3, you can lend your computer to a friend and he can listen to said MP3. You can also transfer the MP3 to him and remove it from your computer. What you can't do is set up a server so that others can take possession of that MP3 without the consent of the copyright holder.

      Make sense?

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      -- "Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage." -Naomi Littlebear
    3. Re:nothing to do with the article by kurowski · · Score: 2

      if you make a copy of that CD so that you can listen to it and still lend it out to friends

      but it's legal for me to make a copy of the CD for backup purposes. so is i just not legal for me to make a backup AND share? i have to pick between the two? or can i make a backup and share, as long as only one version of the CD is played at a time? what if a leave a copy in my car and a copy in my apartment, that should be fine, right? but what about someone borrowing my car and listening to that CD... it should be perfectly legal, until I start listening to the copy in at home? hogwash.

      it's perfectly legal for me to make a copy of a CD and lend it out to friends.

      What you can't do is set up a server so that others can take possession of that MP3 without the consent of the copyright holder.

      how is that legally different from lending my computer to others, who can then take possession of that MP3 without the consent of the copyright holder?

    4. Re:nothing to do with the article by Eil · · Score: 2


      Way I understood it, the fair use laws stated[1] that you could give copies to friends and you could make as many backups as you liked... so long as you were making no profit from either action.

      1) I say "stated" because copying and/or reverse engineering anything now for any purpose is technically illegal.

  15. First hand story of music banned at work. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    About two years ago, my employer banned all music at work. I work in an automotive facility--not like where you get an oil change, but like where you get engine blocks bored and stuff. (To be more accurate, it's where prototypes of various machined parts are made for testing and stuff. Also, as a sort of side job, a lot of repair work is done, because there's big money in it. Think about it... make a hole a bit bigger and charge the poor shmoe $400 to do it.) You could say that prior to about two years ago, there were practically "no rules." This meant that in every corner of the facility, employees blasted their stereos with all their favorite music. In one corner of the shop, you heard Metallica, in another, Mozart, and in another yet, that stupid noise that some people call Pop. And there were about twenty other zones like this. At the various computers, which are all connected to the 'net through a LAN, employees downloaded countless songs through every system known to man, whether IRC or through web pages or whatever, and burned these on CDs to play everywhere in the shop. It was commonplace for someone with a computer-related request which takes one minute to fulfill to also ask for whatever songs, which would take about an hour of someone's paid time to find and download. People brought art projects into work--I am NOT kidding! The boss was always running around giving people instructions, because all the data was literally in his head and he didn't empower anybody to make decisions, so while one person had his attention (and twenty others were chasing him around for attention), everybody else was messing around. And somehow (don't even ask me how, because I can't explain this to this day), this company remained very profitable. Probably because a ton of work DID get done (though it was nearly all done in overtime, or by the boss in the middle of the night). The problem was that the company operated at perhaps 10% of the efficiency that it operates at now.

    Well, let me get to my story, yo. So the boss, one day, got pissed off because a bunch of jobs had been scrapped, due to errors made by his various employees (40 of them), so he got pissed and banned all music. It's been that way ever since. (Oh yeah, and about two years ago, around the same time as this ban, he brought in a professional management team that understands the business quite well, and this increased profits to nearly twenty times the original amounts. I won't say whether the lack of music had anything to do with it, but I'm trying to say that I can see where these bans on whatever in the workplace come from. Sometimes, you just gotta get shit done.)

  16. Those who have the gold... by m_chan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you pay close enough attention, it is possible to find many instances where an activity or behavior is not necessarily the most appropriate allocation of company resources. We could be facist about what activity we allow, though I think it would pollute/dilute the friendly attitude we want to encourage in our employees. I think that it comes down to the corporate environment those that hold purse strings are attempting to foster.

    We strictly deny music downloading/streaming/trading over the LAN. There is the legal perspective of licensing and outside pressure (we do pay ASCAP and BMI handsomely in our business) but the real reason is because of the impact it can have on our network and physical system resources (I can't afford to put CD-ROMs in everyone's box just for tunes). However, we encourage listening to whatever helps your specific style of working through a standalone deck so long as it doesn't distract your coworkers. I have some experience in the hospitality industry and I would relate an experience from our kitchens: we feed our employees from our overage in production. It is our experience that when we give to employees there have much less desire to take. Control your shrinkage proactively, so to say.

    We expect our employees to give their best effort for greater than one-third of their waking hours, and in return they deserve to be given our best effort to make their experience as positive as possible. I think that the same attitude can apply in many aspects of how you manage your staff, whether it "letting" them listen to music instead of the hum of an HVAC or any other corollary to their day that helps people feel better and accordingly, be better employees.

  17. IT workers are amazing by Sc00ter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So are office workers in general.. Try a labor job.. some guy that digs ditches all day, a janitor, pipe layers, factory workers.. I see people posting "people are not robots, they need downtime". For years people were, and still are robots, they work from 8am to 10am, get 15mins for a break, then it's back to work, at noon they get an hour, then it's work again until 5pm.. and unless they're taking a shit then they're working.. usually without headphones because they have to hear the other people they're working with..

    Go do anything besides sitting in a cube and you'll be lucky if you get to do any of this..

    1. Re:IT workers are amazing by another_twilight · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have worked in a wide variety of positions, only most recently IT. I have worked as a casual labourer, have dug ditches, hauled bricks etc. Yes you are right, it is hard work, but there are still comforts, still differences between foremen who work their people like robots and those who allow a little flexibility.

      How far do you think workplaces that prevent staff from using a welding rig on the weekend get? Or insist on telling you how many bricks per load you should be moving for optimum performance (OHS aside)? And while I did not wear earphones, it is a sad site that doesn't have a radio playing somewhere. The comparison you offer is not fair - different places have different perks and different managerial responses to them.

      At an office job, use of a few meg (or even gig) of memory is trivial and a nice way to say 'your work is appreciated' or even 'we trust you enough to believe that you will use your time efficiently'. If management do not have this level of trust in their staff then i think it a greater reflection on them than their employees.

    2. Re:IT workers are amazing by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I feel ya man.
      I work a labor job at a company called cintas.
      I roll mats all day, from 2:30pm to 11pm.
      I get a 15 minute break at 4:30 and 8:30 and lunch at 6:30. Before I started there they where aloud a stereo, and for about a week when I started we where. then the boss finally said no.
      We had to blare it to hear it over the machinery.
      people 20 feet away where pissed cause it was so loud, and people 100feet away where pissed cause it was to far away and to hard to hear.
      Then the women on the other side of the factory (and through a wall and set of doors) would get mad because they don't like our music (which I find redicoulas, they get A/C, chairs, and get to wear shorts, we don't). Then arguments would start about the station. Some people wanted WEBN, others wanted Hard rock, and don't get me started about the only black guy and his rap.

      I can see why companies are cracking down on this.

    3. Re:IT workers are amazing by Fastball · · Score: 2
      Some people wanted WEBN, others wanted Hard rock, and don't get me started about the only black guy and his rap.

      I see from your musical taste (WEBN, aka "The Frog") and overt racism (black guy and his rap) that you are from Cincinnati. Gosh, I miss my home...

    4. Re:IT workers are amazing by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      And people wonder why we had race riots...

      This is why I'm going far out of state for college, heh.

    5. Re:IT workers are amazing by GeorgeH · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I haven't worked real manual labor, but I've worked retail. Same thing only not as repetitive and without the exercise. As I sat in front of a computer at 2:00AM trying to fix a server I realized that I sure wish life were as simple as when I worked at a movie theater. All I needed to do was serve a queue of people or start the movies or clean a theater and I was done.

      No responsability, no 2:00AM pages. No 3 month self managed projects. Working in a non-cubicle environment breeds conversations, interactions. You set your body to a task and your mind is free to wander. In a cube job you need to keep your mind focused.

      People are not robots. They think, and sometimes they think better when they are listening to music (there are studies that show classical music to improve test scores).

      That all said, I've been in quite a few manufacturing shops and in every one the radio was on. Is that different from mp3s in terms of "music-comes-out-of-a-box-while-people-work"?

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    6. Re:IT workers are amazing by thales · · Score: 2

      "That all said, I've been in quite a few manufacturing shops and in every one the radio was on. Is that different from mp3s in terms of "music-comes-out-of-a-box-while-people-work"?"

      The RIAA isn't threatening to sue sue over listening to the radio, so the employees of those manufacturing shops aren't putting the company in the postion of having to spend a lot of money defending itself. The Radio dosen't slow down the forklifts, or the other machinary in the shop, something that can't be said about the effect downloading MP3s can have on the company's internet connection.

      My Company has a simple answer, you can listen to regular Audio CDs or MP3s IF you bring them in with you and use headphones or play music that others in your work area don't object to, but NO DOWNLOADING MP3s with the company's bandwidth.

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    7. Re:IT workers are amazing by krogoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ok, so we've established that IT workers are lucky. Should they now stop trying to improve their working conditions because of that?

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      They that quote Benjamin Franklin on liberty and safety deserve neither.
    8. Re:IT workers are amazing by plumby · · Score: 2

      Ooh. 3 years. Long-timer, eh? I've had "real" jobs in the IT industry for 15 years (from developer to enterprise architect), and I can tell you from experience that working long (50+) hours for any length of time is going to lower your productivity drastically. You may produce more lines of code, but they will be much lower quality lines of code, and in the long run won't get your project done any quicker. I've seen the results of youngsters (including myself, many moons ago) working 15+ hour days to get stuff out. You can often tell what time of day a particular piece of code is written by the deteriorating quality of it, and the amount of bugs that the test team (or users, if you skip testing to meet your deadlines) find in it.

      We've all had to work ridiculous hours on projects to meet stupid deadlines, but doing it for more than a couple of weeks at a time is going to numb your brain.

      Read up on things like Extreme Programming, for a more detailed discussion on why overtime is counter productive - you'll have time to read this kind of stuff if you're not working the entire day.

      As the advert used to say "Work Smarter, Not Harder", and become an IT professional.

    9. Re:IT workers are amazing by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Well I use to work in IT and now do retail. I was laid off and then had no choice but to take my current job after being unemployed so long. Anyway I miss the cubicle offices that I once dispised. I use to have an attitude about the office whenever a situation like listening to music or playing games during lunch ever came up.

      Well I miss those days alot since I am now a bot. My current boss can't let anyone really listen to music when customers are in the store and he worries about productivity when we are working after the store closes. Why? Because some jerk in upper management decided to get promoted by limiting our hours to 40 and cuting back our staff by %10 for all our stores and cancelling our health care. ( by law they have to provide health care if we work full time so we work 39 hours :-) ) So a typical 60 hour work week got compressed into 40 with a few staff being let go on top of this. This means any distractions at all including music can screw up the stores bottom line since were are understaffed. Basically If the isles are not stocked then the store losses money. Plain and simple. We are told when we use the toilet, how long we eat lunch and have to run around the store like monkeys just to not get in trouble by going over 39. This week one employee quit and another was fired and a third is on vacation so we are not even aloud to talk let alone listen to music. My isles alone cost the store at least a few hundred dollars and their is nothing I can do because I still have to work under 40 hours with or without the lost employees. I am probably going to get disciplined tomorrow for this but I am a bot and need to work as fast as 3 men for the same pay, with no music, no talking, no health care, and no decided how long I break.

      Anyway you guys in the office have lots of rights and do not know it. As well as much better pay, health insurance, etc. So what if your mean old boss won't let you setup a gnutella server. Go bring a discman and listen to your cd's from home at your desk or setup your own server at home. The lan belongs to your employer anyway. I believe the office today is the most liberal it has ever been. 40 years ago you had to wear a tie or an expensive suit to work, and a century ago their were mainly only factory or farming jobs. Office jobs were few in those days compared to today.

    10. Re:IT workers are amazing by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      And at the end of the day when the whistle blows, you go home, sit back, and drink a beer. Meanwhile alot of us are still fixing down servers, debugging code, and trying to keep everything running. Not everyone mind you, but some of us. We sometimes don't get weekends. We sometimes work all day just to find out we have to work all night to fix something.

      If it is outside labor that you do, you get fresh air (maybe), sunlight, a tan in the summer, and exercise. My current cubical has several firewalls to an anything that looks like sunlight, even then it is only these little tiny windows clear up at the top of the wall that would make basement windows look big.

      If it is inside work, you probably get to move around. See different things. I have pretty much the same view every hour I work.

      You chose your job. It was not decided at your birth. If you don't like doing manual labor, find a different job. Go back to school if you don't have a degree. Do rag on us because we chose this career for ourselves. Just as you think that our life is so easy doesn't mean it is. Just my $.02.

    11. Re:IT workers are amazing by bluebomber · · Score: 2

      Give me a break.

      I haven't worked real manual labor, but I've worked retail. Same thing only not as repetitive and without the exercise.

      If you haven't worked "real manual labor", then how do you know that it is the "same thing"? I worked for a construction company for two summers during college. Yes, labor jobs get you outside in the fresh air, they get your body moving, and you maybe get to interact with other people more. But when the fresh air is 90 degrees and 90% humidity and you're doing blacktop, trust me: you'll long for the office job.

      The grass is always greener...

    12. Re:IT workers are amazing by Wesley+Everest · · Score: 2
      Yeah, that's it. Let's race to the bottom. Ditch diggers shouldn't complain because there are vietnamese kids working in sweatshops, the sweatshop kids shouldn't complain because of the thai kids sold into prostitution, the thai kids shouldn't complain because china executes dissisents and sells their kidneys. blah blah blah.

      Or maybe we can try to improve all our lot. I'll support any ditch digger or factory worker trying to improve their working conditions, and they have no reason not to support me.

      Does anyone still work 8-5 anymore, though? I thought the average workweek in the U.S. was more like 45-50 hours.

    13. Re:IT workers are amazing by autechre · · Score: 2


      The summer before I started college, I worked in a screenprinting place. Sometimes I would print T-shirts, sometimes I would tag them and handle shipping orders. There was no AC in our part of the shop; in fact, it was _hotter_ than it was outside because of the large ink-drying machines. We got 30 minutes for lunch, and that was it. Had to take 2 busses each way, because it was in an area where my father felt the car would not be safe if parked all day.

      But since then, I've gotten progressively better jobs. Do I feel bad about this? No. Sorry if you have to work construction all day, but I don't; I've got the skills that, presently, allow me to not do that. I feel more complete for having done manual labor stuff in the past, but I don't really miss it now.

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    14. Re:IT workers are amazing by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      What was racist about this statement? To imply that there may be some correlation between skin color and tendency to be a fan of rap music?
      The racism is that the sole attribute to describe that individual in question was his skin color. He could have said "George and his rap" or "the guy from Chicago and his rap" or "the sys admin and his rap," but he chose to say "the black guy and his rap".
      Racism would be saying something like "all those pink guys are morons".
      Nope, racism does not have to be negative attitudes. "All Asians are smart" is a racist statement.
      Connecting black people and rap music is only acknowledging black culture.
      So how do you explain Enimem, a White guy? I don't see his connection with "black culture". As a matter of fact, rap is the perferred music of young Chicano males in the barrios of Houston, Texas.
      If the construction crew had been mostly black people who were into rap, they could've talked about the white guy and his classic rock. Same difference.
      So because he made a racist statement that lets you make a racist statement in return? Remember the primary attributes are "white guy" and "black people," not "Henry and his classic rock" and "the rest of the crew and their rap."

      I had wanted to say "you must be a White male because I have noticed that White males deny racism exists," but I decided against it because that would be racist!
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    15. Re:IT workers are amazing by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      btw i've still yet to see *anything* regarding an IT union
      Most IT types tend to be conservative. They believe that they have more power as an individual than in a group. Either that or they are too cheap to pay the union dues :->

      The liberals stay in school, get their Ph.Ds and become professors in those socialist hotbeds called universities. Either that or they become journalists and join the liberal media conspiracy!
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    16. Re:IT workers are amazing by Beowulf_Boy · · Score: 2

      LISTEN UP ASSHOLE!!!!
      I have a 3.7 gpa and an ACT score of 27, I am far from retarded, I tend to make spelling mistakes when typing.

      SECOND!!! look out your goddamned window you pasty assed IT worker, its summer, I'm out of fucking school for 3 months.

  18. Well, duh! by Vegeta99 · · Score: 2

    I work for PENNDOT. We are not allowed to browse for personal reasons, or listen to music, period. Why should I be allowed to? I'm at work to work, not to play. Jesus, I'm a teenager and I understand that.

    1. Re:Well, duh! by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      We are not allowed to browse for personal reasons, or listen to music, period.

      These are not the same thing. The first consumes bandwidth and -- perhaps more importantly -- attention. The second does not. I'm a teacher at a boarding school and we just went the other way: After decades of prohibition, students are allowed to listen to music during Study Hall (on earphones, of course). Rather than the predicted precipitous drop in performance, we've actually seen real (albeit weak) improvement.
    2. Re:Well, duh! by Jaeger · · Score: 2

      Better ban telephones for personal use, then. I understand employees waste billions of dollars of company money every day because they steal company resources for personal gain. "Honey, can you pick up a carton of milk on the way home?" is entirely responsible for our current economic slump.

    3. Re:Well, duh! by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

      This brings to mind, as so many /. posts do, a Dilbert strip. The PHB asks Dilbert to get the new secretary to cut down on the personal phone calls, esp. long distance ones. "...Just be a little more discreet. For example, you could try NOT wearing the traditional costume of the country you're calling...."

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  19. Come on.. by Tranvisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IT workers say the same thing--that the songs are already out of the proverbial jewel box. Like universities, companies may have to learn to live with a certain amount of media on their networks.

    For any but the biggest networks this is easy to stop. Institute a policy of NO filesharing programs and NO unauthorised MP3's and Movies's. Do random checks of company computers at night. If contraband is found write them up, and tell them that if found again, they will be fired. Check that employee's machine again after 2 weeks, and one month later. If they resumed doing it, they are an idiot and should be canned. I would imagine after the first employee got canned, this practice would have a tremendous effect. This isn't that hard of a problem to solve.

    You are dealing with a limited environment, in which you have physical access to all the machines involved. Every company should do it, if only to save money on bandwidth.

    1. Re:Come on.. by JohnA · · Score: 2
      Oh yeah... that's a great way to encourage productivity and creativity from a software development team. At the last company I worked out, we would blast MP3s through the entire dev team area... it really helped creativity, especially during the 80 hour weeks required right before RTM.

      Smart companies should look at the potential situation of an RIAA raid as a simple cost of employing creative types. I personally wouldn't work in an environment where I couldn't have MP3s on my PC, and many of the better programmers I know feel the same way.

    2. Re:Come on.. by Kris_J · · Score: 2
      You can combine canning with long boring lectures about how times are tough and resources are limited and there isn't any room on the servers or the network for MP3s and other unnecessary stuff.

      And so long as management haven't just voted themselves a pay rise or purchased a yacht everything should be fine.

      (Disclaimer: I'm currently cleaning MP3s and other assorted unwanted files off a student network. The little buggers have managed to consume half a Gig of storage during a four week non-teaching period. Our monthly Internet traffic exceeds 20Gig.)

    3. Re:Come on.. by Tim+C · · Score: 2

      Now, I know that you were thinking specifically of p2p software, but there are plenty of other types that can be used to share files.

      Almost any client/server software pair can be used. Examples include HTTP clients & servers, ftp, Samba/nfs/etc.

      If you really, really want to ban sharing files, you'd have to go as far as removing the CD drives, possibly even the floppies.

      Besides which, employee/employer relationships, like any other, are about give and take. If I want to have mp3 copies of songs that I own saved to my hard drive so that I can listen to them while I work, I should be allowed to do so. Offices are not safe places to leave CD collections. If you want me to be happy, and to work well and not mind too much about yet another stint of unpaid overtime, you're going to have to make a few concessions, or I'll start thinking about finding an employer that will.A blanket ban on mp3s will almost certainly be counter-productive.

      Cheers,

      Tim

    4. Re:Come on.. by Surak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For any but the biggest networks this is easy to stop. Institute a policy of NO filesharing programs and NO unauthorised MP3's and Movies's. Do random checks of company computers at night.

      Yeah, but ssh with an HTTPS tunneling proxy (such as TransConnect or Corkscrew can be SUCH a wonderful thing. Set up a Linux or *BSD box on DSL or cable or satellite. Download and compile gtk-gnutella or similar program. Setup ssh to run on a port you can get to from the company's firewall (port 22 is often blocked) and voila! You can download and share files with people out on the Internet, download them to your work machine via scp, and delete them at the end of the day. :)

      In fact, it wouldn't be hard to write a program that grabs files from the home box on demand so you don't have to even think about it. :)

      Not that I've uhhh...done any of this, no not at all..

    5. Re:Come on.. by Surak · · Score: 2

      And if you're the sysadmin of a small company, and in being so, the only person who is monitoring such data pipes? :-P

      Seriously, though, your scenario assumes that anyone monitoring the data can identify that. Honestly, it just looks like a nice big HTTPS stream to some webserver. Whoever was looking at the data would have to be clueful enough to know that most HTTPS streams aren't that long. :)

      Oh, and finally, as far as being fired goes or prosecuted goes, that depends. Whether or not you can get fired depends on the laws of the state you're working. Michigan is an at will state (most U.S. states actually are), so you can fired there for just about any reason (short of discrimination) or no reason.

      OTOH, as far as being prosecuted goes, in the United States, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. I don't have to be able to prove that I am not smuggling confidential documents out through the pipe, the prosecuting attorney has to prove that I am.

  20. Web-non-sense by graveyhead · · Score: 2
    The number of "peer-to-peer" Web sites has increased fivefold in the past year, according to Websense, a company that makes software to monitor and block employee Web usage.
    Jeez, someone must've re-invented the web while I wasn't looking! I thought P2P networks were a different type of network than plain old HTTP. Well, *thank goodness* these Websense folks were around to let me know the error of my ways. Thanks, Websense!
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    1. Re:Web-non-sense by ShaunC · · Score: 2

      >I'm not sure what you mean. Do you really think
      >P2P networks aren't just "plain old HTTP?"

      I think he's referring to the propensity of the masses to use the term "website" to describe anything internet related. When Napster was in the news, you'd always hear the media calling it a "music-swapping website" when they should have been calling it a music-swapping program. Napster's website didn't swap anything, it was the program that did the swapping.

      All that said, you're right; many P2P apps do use the HTTP protocol for file transfers (though that doesn't make "website" any less of a misnomer when referring to them). Gnutella file transfers, for example, are pure HTTP.

      Shaun

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    2. Re:Web-non-sense by topham · · Score: 2

      p2p has ment point to point, person to person and peer to peer at various points in time.

      typical computer oriented acronym, several, valid definitions.

  21. Are there any other reasons? by Speare · · Score: 4, Funny

    • [C]orporations are now starting to crack down on networked MP3's, not necessarily for the reasons you might think. [The article talks] about legal issues, as well as bandwidth issues, and the simple issue of employees wasting their employers time.

    Oh, well, I guess they would be cracking down for the reasons I might think.

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  22. Just bring them in... by Tranvisor · · Score: 2

    You are wasting the companies bandwidth by d/l them from home.

    Why not just reburn a couple of them and bring them in? CD's are only 10 to 20 cents right now. And it would be much nicer to the company network traffic.

    1. Re:Just bring them in... by Megane · · Score: 2
      And a CD can hold over 10 hours of MP3s, depending on bit rate. I've gotten into the habit of burning a new CD-R every couple of weeks with a newly tweaked assortment of tunes to listen to on the MP3 CD player that I keep on the car seat.

      Except recently I got a PDA capable of playing MP3, and now I'm trying to cram my J-pop onto a 256MB flash card, at least until I can afford something bigger. The PDA even uses the same power plug as the MP3 CD player. I didn't think much of bringing the MP3 CD in when I got to work, but the PDA is a different matter.

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  23. Unconstitutional by Procrasturbator · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's unpatriotic. I'll never let them take away my MP3 of "Let the Eagle Soar".

  24. Webplay by wirefarm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check out Webplay.
    You can set up variable-bitrate streams from your home to your office - then you have no incriminating files left on your office's disks.
    For instance, you can listen at 48k during the week during high net usage times or at native bitrates at night or on the weekends.
    Even with my iPod, it seems that the song I want to hear is always at home on my server - this solves it nicely.

    Cheers,
    Jim in Tokyo

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    1. Re:Webplay by wirefarm · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've got it running from a Linux box right now - IIRC, I had to add a bunch of perl modules, but that wasn't a big deal. I never bothered with the Java applet, as the CGI front end works well, maybe that was the hangup.
      Other than that, it seemed to be just a collection of the standard command-line mp3 utilities.
      I also tried Darwin Streaming Server, but that didn't do the bitrate stuff either.

      Cheers,
      Jim in Tokyo

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    2. Re:Webplay by Eil · · Score: 2


      Erm, but then you have incriminating network logs which are not quite as easy to erase as a few MP3s and (at my workplace at least), will probably be noticed quicker by the admins...

  25. Re:Quoted from the article by dboyles · · Score: 2

    So corporate networks are illegal now thanks to the RIAA.

    Please. You and everybody else who read the article can clearly see that your quote about networks being illegal is taken out of context. Let's look at a relevant sentence in the preceeding paragraph:

    In April, the RIAA announced a settlement with an Arizona company that allegedly let employees trade MP3 files over an internal network.

    If you're ever involved in a debate about the ethics of the RIAA, please do us a favor and don't attempt to fabricate this sort of "evidence." Reasonable people see right through it. Besides, it's not as if you need to make up anything about the RIAA, there's plenty of stuff that they do right out in the open.

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  26. Re:We have a simple policy at work by Pfhor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At one point I found a female employee with lesbian porn in her home folder. She was fired.

    Wait a second! I hope there was more to that than just finding lesbian porn in a women's file space which were the grounds for her being fired.

  27. Why bother? by SHEENmaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just turned 16. I started my first job 3 weeks ago. I have admin access to every server where I work, and my workstation. I have root on the Linux system that I set up for the company. I simply FTPed to my system at home and downloaded all my oggs. I then installed WinAmp, and everything is fine. My bosses(I have two) are both complementing how hard I work.

    What employers need to realize is that things like a dress code, and crummy music hurt job performance. A friend of mine at work can do four times the productivity that he does, but as he says, "I'll give them better work when they treat me better." While I don't doodle and such during work, I do understand where he is coming from.

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    1. Re:Why bother? by neuroticia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately employers are going in the opposite direction.

      (keep in mind I'm talking mostly about the US, since I live here and it's what I know.)

      Fact 1 of life: The economy sucks. People of all vocations are hunting desperately for work.

      Fact 2 of life: Geeks are among those who are the most desperate for work. (translated: we no longer hold the cards.)

      Fact 3 of life: If the employer wants a monkey in a suit, the employer will find 10 or 15 guys who are willing to be the monkey in the suit. They've been hunting for a job for the past 10-12 months. They have rent, a mortage, a car if they're lucky, and various other expenses. If the employer also wants a monkey that does not listen to MP3's, by jove he'll find one.

      That said, I'm a big fan of the "Work at home wearing a big teeshirt and flip-flops at 2 AM while Massive Attack blasts from the stereo" attitude. Anyone know where I can find one of those bosses?

      -Sara

    2. Re:Why bother? by rikkards · · Score: 2, Informative

      Couple of things you should learn now rather than figuring it out as you go:
      1. Keep your nose clean. The larger the organization the more important this is especially as you move up the ladder. Some people will use anything they can to screw you over for the next promotion, your job, etc.

      2. If you do not know the policy on something (internet usage, mp3s, running linux servers rather than MS just to make your life easier cause MS is unreliable, etc.) ASK! It is always good to cover your ass. You assume if they have problems with something they will tell you. Not necessarily. See #1

      3. You are replaceable. The days of the network gods are over. I once interviewed for a place a year ago. They wanted someone to admin their UNIX(Sun, HP) and Windows boxes. I asked them what happened to the person who was there before. Ends up this guy is a real *NIX zealot who absolutely refused to touch a windows box as if it would give him leprosy or something and told them to get someone else to do them. Well they were taking his advice but rather than hiring a person to take care of the Windows box they were looking for a replacement for him. I didn't get it but last I heard the guy was working in a small computer store putting Windows ME on computers (talk about tragic irony!)

      4. Smart companies don't have a dress code but smart employees dress well. Ideal minimum is Gap khakis and golf shirts. Looks are everything. One company I worked at didn't have a dress code and there was one guy who would always show up wearing sweat pants or a metallica tshirt. He couldn't figure out how come people were always being promoted around him. It's like black plates; food doesn't look appetizing. It also gives you an edge over anyone else, including at raise time.

      These are some things I have picked up and I am sure there are a lot of others who can agree with this. It may suck for some of them, but it is common sense.

    3. Re:Why bother? by crucini · · Score: 2

      Good advice. Let me add: Have a box on the internet that is not associated with your employer. Any recreational internet activities should flow through ssh to this box. Be sparing of the employer's bandwidth, especially during business hours.

      As for clothes, I guess it varies from one area to another. Here in Silicon Valley the Gap look is a little too much, unless you're a vice president or something. Jeans and a t-shirt are fine. Just make sure you don't smell. I'm not sure about the impact of black t-shirts, but you could be right.

      Of course, I'm not looking for promotions. Neither are any of my peers, as far as I know. Everyone who has gone from programmer to manager seems very unhappy with the added stresses and reduced chance to architect and code.

      As for "network gods", I don't know what to think. I have continued to find rewarding work that does not involve Microsoft. It seems to me that if you're being asked to admin Unix and Windows, you're in too small a company. Larger companies have separate groups. As a programmer I have pursued the kind of work that interests me - I have never applied for or been offered a job that directly involves Microsoft software. I tend to think (knock on wood) that those accepting such compromises are limiting their job search in some other way - perhaps geographically.

    4. Re:Why bother? by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Keep your nose clean. The larger the organization the more important this is especially as you move up the ladder. Some people will use anything they can to screw you over for the next promotion, your job, etc.
      I think you also have to watch your employer just as much or maybe more. I have received a check from a former employer for overtime due me when the put me on salary illegally. Another company fired me on bogus charges after I brought up the fact that Hispanic representation in that company's IT dept was 5% in a an area that is > 40% Hispanic.

      I think what really got me fired was when I pointed out that IT management was composed of 100% White people. This is in Houston, Texas, a city with over 60% minority population and a diverse citizen population with people from all over the world...
      Ends up this guy is a real *NIX zealot... last I heard the guy was working in a small computer store putting Windows ME on computers (talk about tragic irony!)
      Ouch! Let's hope the poor guy didn't have a suicidal-type personality!

      I am pretty much a *NIX zealot myself but I got lucky -- I run Mandrake 8.2 on my desktop (KDE 3 is sweet!) and administer a Redhat server. I get to pick the software I get use in my projects, so I can use PHP and MySQL to work on some interesting stuff.

      But I must confess, I will work on Windows when I have to. I will be the first to admit 2000 has been pretty stable on our desktops, and the users seem pretty happy with it so who am I to argue? (My deepest, darkest secret: I have a Win 98 box mainly for Office 97 and to access PeopleSoft).

      My advice is to diversify IT-wise. You may make more money specializing in a particular product or technology, but that puts you more at the whims of market forces out of your control.
      Smart companies don't have a dress code but smart employees dress well. Ideal minimum is Gap khakis and golf shirts. Looks are everything.
      I agree that good companies don't have a dress code, but I feel that you don't need to adopt a minimum uniform. You only need to dress to the level of who you have to meet.

      I work for a community college and I have to meet students and instructors, so khakis and polo shirts would be overdressed. I am partial to black jeans and hawaiian shirts myself...
      One company I worked at didn't have a dress code and there was one guy who would always show up wearing sweat pants or a metallica tshirt. He couldn't figure out how come people were always being promoted around him.... It also gives you an edge over anyone else, including at raise time.
      I wouldn't want to work for a company who arbitarily gives out raises and promotions on the basis of discriminating on a person's appearance. One of the instructors I work with is originally from Africa and often wears native dress. What is better: to force him to wear a coat and tie or to respect his cultural background?

      Besides, if you are going to discriminate based on WHAT someone looks like, it is just slide down the old slippery slope to discriminating based on WHO someone is. Your company/superiors can claim a negative personnel action is based on how someone dresses, but how can you prove it is not really based on bias against that particular person due to their sex, race, ethnicity, or age?
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  28. Insanity by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    Taken only slightly out of context:

    he said. "Some of these corporations, we are told, have their own little networks--that is very clearly illegal."

    I was told somewhere that some companys have their own big networks too. It's amazing how companies set up networks that allow users to share data and increase their productivity. Since there is a potential for them to share mp3 files accross those networks, they must be illegal.

    At what point did having a computer at your home or office with a networked connection suddenly make you suspect of illegal activites.

    My company already pays the RIAA in various capacitys untold 'royalties' (or whatever they are called) every time we buy CD-Rs for that oh so potentially illegal copying of important business related files for backup purposes. (The fact that we don't use work machines for mp3s has nothing to do with it.. we are suspect).

    Now, aparently, if somebody on our work network happens to download and distribute mp3s, we'll get charged again.

    Who gave these jokers that kind of power? And what can we do to take it away from them.

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    1. Re:Insanity by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Seemed apposite.
      You made me run to the dictionary to look up apposite. Always good to learn another word.

      You would have gotten double word credit for apropos/ apropos :->
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  29. Re:We have a simple policy at work by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe a bit nitpicky, but you didn't fire the men with heterosexual porn in their home folders? Isn't that a bit biased?

  30. I have Have been on Noth Sides of the Coin! by puto · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As an employee I have snatched my fair share of MP3's from the web while at work. Needed something to do waiting for the tech calls to come in and while on the calls :).

    The funny thing is that my boss at the time was a funny guy. The first day I went to work and was being processed thorugh HR yada yada, I was sent to the sysadmin(this was at an ISP). He sat me down and handed me what he cooled my toolkit. An employee manual for the techs and an IDE removable drive bay with a five gig drive in and mount brackets.

    The drive I was informed was so I could transfer large amounts of data between work and home with ease.

    After getting to know him he explained to me it was easier buying a five gigger for every tech to keep his leeched WaRez/Mp3,p0rN, collection on instead of on the company servers. We each had to sign a waiver that the use of the drive was only for business use.... It was an intresting work around. A pretty cool boss. He loved music.

    On the other hand as a sysadmin I agree with the legal issues. Keep it off my network. If you listen to music, you better have a job that doesn't recquire you to answer the phone or recquire any aural cues for your post.

    I had another boss that didnt mind us listening to music but we all had to pool the cds and vote on them and only listen to one. Good policy.

    But if anyone runs in an office with 200 workstations all with labtec speakers grunting out tinny tunes, Garth Brooks, Goo Dolls, Bare Naked, and a hodgepodge of others, is truly a virgin in an industry.

    Puto

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  31. Re:umm okay by karnal · · Score: 2

    I brought in my own speakers (set of altec lansings), and since I'm in my own little area, I do get the opportunity to turn it up when I feel the need.

    Also, I use a minidisc player for my music source. No sense in leaving traces on company equipment -- just use my own property. And, if they ask me to leave it at home, I'd respect that.

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  32. Re:Fascist bastards! by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Informative

    It does when they put about 4Gb of them in their home directories, you know the ones that get backed up at night and are generally less than 200Mb. And don't say to get more backup capacity, it was the extra length of time required as opposed to storage space that was the problem.

    Jaysyn

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  33. Re:We have a simple policy at work by Steve+B · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I found plenty of porn. Including some very sick stuff. I just deleted all the files.... At one point I found a female employee with lesbian porn in her home folder. She was fired.

    You really should have posted this anonymously, if you insisted upon posting it at all. If the company's legal department finds out, they'll almost certainly recommend firing you before you get the company's lungs ripped out through its nose with a discrimination lawsuit.

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  34. No Playing MP3 by totallygeek · · Score: 2
    At my work we came up with a good way to stop this. We simply added a bunch of registry edits to the login script (one locks down the Netware client so you cannot bypass the scripts). One sets a corporate-accepted background for the desktop. One shuts down file access types for MP3, MPG, AVI, etc. One removes winamp, ICQ, AIM and Bonzai Buddy if found. Lastly, group policies don't allow non-admins to introduce new programs. It works fairly well -- problems arrise when a user attempts to load Acrobat Reader (which we now add as part of a default install) or some other needed software.

    1. Re:No Playing MP3 by el_chicano · · Score: 2
      Wow, I bet that sent profits through the roof.
      Well, he said "registry" so his company was probably using Windows. I think the formula goes something like this:
      1.Pay huge Windows licensing fees
      2.?
      3.Profit!
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  35. Don't Complain. by Renraku · · Score: 2

    Complaining about being yelled at or fired for wasting the company's money and time is like complaining about having to say the pledge of alliegence when your public education is paid for by the government. If you want to listen to and download MP3s on the job, start your own business. While I agree that being able to listen to music while you're working is a good comfort, its not the end of the world if your company bans it. When I went to high school, it was perfectly all right for 20 students in a classroom to watch streaming rap videos in RM format, which choked our measly T3, but it wasn't alright for me to download MP3s and listen to them.

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    1. Re:Don't Complain. by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Complaining about being yelled at or fired for wasting the company's money and time is like complaining about having to say the pledge of alliegence when your public education is paid for by the government.

      Well, apparently, you can win by complaining about the Pledge of Allegiance.
      :)


      And I'm no slash-and-burn libertarian, but isn't public education paid for by, well, the public ? It might be provided by the government but it's paid for through taxes... ie., by you and me.

    2. Re:Don't Complain. by gerardrj · · Score: 2
      ...complaining about having to say the pledge of alliegence when your public education is paid for by the government


      Well, when the government (the people actually) pay for public education, the government also mandates that education take place. If they require me to be educated, it's hardly a favor that they pay for the education.
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  36. Alarming! by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A female employee was FIRED for having "lesbian porn in her home folder"?! While everyone else's porn was just deleted? I really hope this is way out of context, because otherwise your company are assholes, and sue-able assholes at that. In fact, if you found the lesbian porn and set this all in motion, rather than just deleting it, you are an asshole too. Well, actually I suspect you're just a troll, but the point needs to be made.

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  37. Gong policy by jcsehak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was the unofficial DJ at my last workplace. We all (12 people) sat in a large room, and I'd usually play whatever I was into at the time, trying to mix it up as much as possible, unless someone else brought in a CD for me to play, which took precendence. What made it work so well was that we had a gong policy. Anyone at any time could "gong" a song or album, for whatever reason. It could be a one-time gong (say you're simply not in the mood for it) or a permanent one (if you can't stand the song/CD ). For instance, I played a Johnny Cash CD once, and a coworker came back the next day and said he had "Tennesse Stud" stuck in his head the rest of the day and put a permanent gong on Johnny Cash. So I never played it anymore while he was around.

    Basically, music in the workplace can be a double-edged sword. A well-chosen CD can make a hour of hardcore coding at 9 pm go by like nothing. A CD like Hanson can prevent you from doing any work at all, for lack of any spare brain cycles (they're all used up saying "this sucks, this sucks, etc.).

    A little goddam common courtesy for your fellow workmates goes a long way. Failing that, "shut that crap off, woman" isn't such a bad idea. Or if you feel like being more polite, just suggest people take turns DJing. Not playing music at all is, IMHO, a poor and counter-productive solution.

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    1. Re:Gong policy by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I work in a large office that houses around 50 people, and noise can, at times, be a real problem.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm all for letting people chat, or listen to music, or whatever helps them get their work done and to stay happy. However, I am dead set against having music playing "over the air" as it were.

      I have two reasons for this, one purely selfish, the other more practical. The selfish reason is that I have a somewhat unusual taste in music, and so would almost be guaranteed to not like whatever was played, or to be very popular with regards to what I wanted to be played.

      The practical reason is that, as a programmer, there are times when I need peace and quiet in order to concentrate. I may be trying to track down a particularly elusive bug, or work out some convoluted piece of code, or just figure out the best solution to a customer's requirements (I do speccing and estimation, and team leading, as well as coding). Whatever the reason, if I need quiet, and there's music playing (or other noise), I can't have it. On the other hand, if I need music, and there isn't any, I have headphones. Same goes for everyone else - let them choose to have music.

      If the stereo thing works for your group, then fine - but one group we had here a while back that tried that almost came to blows over it (mostly because one guy took some sort of pleasure out of annoying another with the music he played)

      As for the original poster's problem, I agree with you - just ask the woman to please be a little more considerate. Failing that, her boss really should just *tell* her to cut it out - that's one of the things he's there for.

      Cheers,

      Tim

  38. Re:umm okay by Maserati · · Score: 2
    Yup. Users find out that the office has a T1 line and set their streaming speed to that. Then they get an irritated visit from me and the lecture on "WE have a T1 line, YOU share it with 100 other people. Even at 56k, you and 23 others would FILL our T1" Then their settings get changed WAY down (modem speeds), and a reminder that a followup visit to check the settings again is mentioned. I love what I can do to my users when my boss is agonizing over bandwidth costs. The one nitwit who was streaming their NannyCam at maximum... with the window minimized so she couldn't watch it .. and with no one home anyway.. she caught hell for that.


    Our rule was "if you don't understand it, don't mess with it". Except for executives, HR and Finance of course.

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  39. Yes, please save us from ourselves by smcavoy · · Score: 3, Funny

    "What you really want to do is protect people from themselves," --Frank Gillman (Guy who works at company that makes web filters for adults at work).

    Bring on the straight jackets, and urine testing.

  40. Well, let's face it . . . by jhylkema · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The job market's tight. Those who haven't been fired outright (like 16,000 WorldCommers were today) are looking at being replaced by H1Bs or having their jobs outsourced to India or China or God-only-knows where. So of course the PHBs are going to stick it to the workers.

  41. Its the crap you get with Windows... by crovira · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is no justification for loading a company PC with speakers, a web-cam, a ridiculously oversized drive and a 21" monitor.

    The software should all be on one server. The data files should all be on another. These are company assets. They should be treated as such.

    Files should be checked-out and only to the user that should be authorized to use/modify them, checked-in again, journaled stored for check-out again and backed up.

    What the hell are we doing with multi-media capable machines in an accounting department? Singing spread sheets announcing how deep you're in the red?

    What's with all these CD-ROM drives? The files should be on the company server. If they aren't, you don't need them. If you do have IT put 'em there.

    NOBODY needs diskette drives anymore.
    The PC should consist on one CPU, only enough RAM as required to run the permissible apps, a NIC, a sensible flat screen monitor so it doesn't eat up all the desk space.

    Printing, faxing, communication connection, storage are all shared corporate resources and should reside on networked servers.

    Who needs Windows with all the damn bells and whistles?

    A bare-bones geegaw-less Linux distro with OpenOffice or StarOffice and whatever specialized software tools the each user really needs to do their job, pulled off the LAN, should be all a business allows.

    The rest is expensive distractions and productivity sinks.

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    1. Re:Its the crap you get with Windows... by avdp · · Score: 3

      Hmmm. No. Productivity sinks when your employees are unhappy. It's all about finding the right balance. You do want to ban MP3 servers on your lans because you don't want to be sued out of existence by the RIAA & co. but banning (or making it technically impossible) the use of the work computer for a reasonably small amount of non-business related activity is simply stupid.

    2. Re:Its the crap you get with Windows... by avdp · · Score: 2

      Sure... But we're not talking about quitting here. Just productivity. If my company does not make a reasonable attempt at keeping me somewhat happy (or at least not get out of their way to piss me off), then I am not as likely to give my 100% or do anything above and beyond.

  42. Some really bad reporting? by gerardrj · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article:
    Some studies have estimated that as many as one in five work computers contains file-swapping software.

    Really the percentage is probably more like 99%. Any computer that has a web browser or FTP client has file-swapping software on it.

    Again from the article:
    RIAA President Cary Sherman.: "Some of these corporations, we are told, have their own little networks--that is very clearly illegal."

    And some corporations have large networks. I guess that is even more illegal. Everyone! Disconnect the Ethernet cable, and step away from the computer. Networking computers has been declared illegal by the RIAA.

    All that aside, they have a point. Most people do use the network at the office for personal use. This is of course the fault of the IT department. If they lay down a policy that the network is for company business, they should set up equipment and software that enforces those rules.
    At Bank One in AZ, they have such a policy (network and Internet acesss for company business only), but the restrictions are applied haphazardly. Joke sites are filtered by the proxy along with sites like Dilbert, The Onion, etc. Software downloads are disallowed, but they allow FTP connections and do not block sites like versiontracker.com or download.com. *shrug*. Perhaps a few settlements/suits will cause companies like this to suddenly crack down and actuall impliment their stated policies. Until that time, I know the employees take the view that if the company where really serious about the policies that the IT department would limit/control the offending behaviour/sites.

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  43. Re:We have a simple policy at work by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Redundant
    Fire the lesbians? No!! Encourage them to dance for me!

    Dance For Me, My Naughty Lesbians! I have your oils and feathers over here, on this ottoman....

  44. Re:Don't bite the hand that feeds you! by Tackhead · · Score: 2
    > I was at a client's the other day (large multi-national), and they had a 50GB server full of mp3s and the like. They're safe because the admin who put them there can hide behind a screen of anonymity in a company that has enough $$ to buy a continent.

    So that's where Worldcom's $3.6 gigabucks went!

  45. Interesting quirk in Kazaa... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    I noticed an interesting quirk in Kazaa after using it for a couple of weeks. I turned off Kazaa so I could play Quake. After I connected, I noticed that my ping went from 150 to 230, and that my connection was getting intermittently lagged every few seconds.

    I did a little sniffing around and noticed that even though Kazaa was off, lots... and I mean LOTS of people were trying to talk to the port that Kazaa was using. It took about a day for that to calm down.

    I can't believe it, I was getting so many people trying to talk to Kazaa that it was affecting my connection! If that happened at work, the network manager would hunt me down. One thing that really sucks (at least where I work...) is that if the connection acts wacky, the bigwigs that sign my check think that it's a failure on my part. Go fig. For some reason I'm supposed to be able to fix the ISP's probs before they notice.

    I'm not endorsing music trading being banned, but I do understand why a sysadmin would like to avoid use of such programs. That's before getting into the legality of it. Execs act like not being able to get their email is worse than their car not starting.

    Piece of advice to those of you tempted to use Kazaa at work: There's a very good chance that the network admin will come to your desk and ask what you're doing. heh. :)

    I'm curious if anybody has any insight into what's happening here and if it happens on other P2P progs.

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  46. you are all wasting the corporate dime... by edrugtrader · · Score: 5, Funny

    by reading this article!

    back to work!

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  47. wasting money on "solutions" by darksaber · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is it just me or are they spending a ridiculous amount on these boxes that do the bandwidth limiting? Don't most of the Cisco boxes they're probably using already have most of those capabilities (e.g. limit traffic for this port) anyway.

    It seems like someone could whip up a linux box with the same capabilities for $3-5K (including some sort of smart NIC that could filter faster). Up to $49K seems ridiculous. On the other hand, maybe that's what they're doing.

  48. BS by Srin+Tuar · · Score: 2


    The companies know full well that the machines are multimedia capable: music/porn/jokes/trailers etc enhance productivity; people work better when they have a little fun. So long as its not officially endorsed, and lip service is given to cracking down from time to time, then everybody is happy.


    So whats the big deal?

  49. legality of sharing music by David+Jao · · Score: 2
    If you're sharng your collection with people who don't own those CDs, that's illegal.

    Suppose I am with my roommate in my room and I play a CD on the boom box. My roommate does not own this CD; yet he is able to "share" in the listening of this CD as I play it. Is this illegal?

    Suppose my roommate is in another room and I run a speaker wire from my boom box in my room to the speakers in his room. I then play my CD on my boom box. I hear it on the boom box; he hears it on his speakers in his room. Is this illegal?

    Suppose I replace the boom box with a 300 disc CD changer that is capable of playing two discs simultaneously. I play one disc on my speakers and I play another disc on his speakers. Is this illegal?

    Suppose I replace the 300 disc CD changer with an mp3 server and the speaker wire with a network cable. I play one mp3 on my speakers and another mp3 on his speakers. Is this illegal?

    Where do you draw the line of legality? I don't think it's such an open and shut case that local area sharing of mp3s is illegal, especially in light of the provisions in the Audio Home Recording Act that permit noncommercial copying of recorded material in exchange for RIAA taxes on blank media.

    1. Re:legality of sharing music by RatFink100 · · Score: 2

      If your roommate is listening to your music there's no illegality. If he makes a copy of it - or you make one for him then it's illegal. If you make one for yourself you're covered by fair use.

      Now making an mp3 and putting it on a networked server could be considered just making a copy for yourself. What then becomes the issue is contributory infringement - whether you in effect encouraged breaking of copyright. I am uncertain as to the precise legal test for contributory infringement - but based on precedent - Napster amongst others - putting mp3s on a network and advertising the fact could fall within that.

    2. Re:legality of sharing music by Diamon · · Score: 2
      Suppose I am with my roommate in my room and I play a CD on the boom box. My roommate does not own this CD; yet he is able to "share" in the listening of this CD as I play it. Is this illegal?
      Yes, you are only using one copy
      Suppose my roommate is in another room and I run a speaker wire from my boom box in my room to the speakers in his room. I then play my CD on my boom box. I hear it on the boom box; he hears it on his speakers in his room. Is this illegal?
      Yes, you are only using one copy
      Suppose I replace the boom box with a 300 disc CD changer that is capable of playing two discs simultaneously. I play one disc on my speakers and I play another disc on his speakers. Is this illegal?
      Yes, you are only using one copy of each
      Suppose I replace the 300 disc CD changer with an mp3 server and the speaker wire with a network cable. I play one mp3 on my speakers and another mp3 on his speakers. Is this illegal?
      No, since you can your roomie can be playing two different tracks off the same album you could in essence be using two copies.

      It's not that hard of a concept, you purchase one copy, you can do with is as you see fit provided you do not make copies and distribute it. Putting it on a server as MP3 is distribution.

      Having said that, all my CD's are ripped to MP3 at home and shared so my wife can use them from her machine. But the distribution scale is small enough that I'm not what the RIAA is targeting in this case.
    3. Re:legality of sharing music by Diamon · · Score: 2

      Awww..... dammit

      s/Yes/No/g

    4. Re:legality of sharing music by einTier · · Score: 2
      No, since you can your roomie can be playing two different tracks off the same album you could in essence be using two copies.


      So, what if I use a file access program, such that each file can only be accessed by one user at any given time (requiring the file to be checked out and locked to listen to it)? If I share that across my company, am I infringing? What if I upload my entire 500 disc collection and keep said discs in a vault next to the computer?

      There is essentially, only one copy. Any given song may be accessed by one person at one time -- and no more. Since the CDs are locked next to the computer, one cannot even make the argument that I can listen to the CDs in the car while my co-workers are listening to them at work.

      Is this a way around the "mp3 server" problem?

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    5. Re:legality of sharing music by David+Jao · · Score: 2
      No, since you can your roomie can be playing two different tracks off the same album you could in essence be using two copies.

      There exist devices called "dual CD players" that are capable of independently playing two different tracks simultaneously off of one disc. For example http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM02/Content/De non/PR/DN-D9000.html.

      Are these devices inherently illegal?

  50. My boss made me do it! by VisorGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I work with a consulting firm, but the office I'm in is down stairs in a suite of our own away from the suits.

    For many months we had all gotten used to having tunes playing on the speakers connected to my box (myself and two others split the cost of some cheap Altec Lansing speakers). At first I acquired some mp3s from a coworker upstairs, then later I ripped a bunch of our CDs to OGG and shuttled them to work on CD-RW...

    Recently we reorganized our seating arrangement and it left me and another coworker in a room to ourselves. I took the speakers with me since they were connected to the box I was using...

    Well, no more than two weeks and my supervisor was franticly trying to come up with a way that he and the ladies in his area could have some music again!

    I told him to simply buy some cheap speakers, but he didn't want to at first... Two days later, he gave me $20 to go to the local computer store and get some more cheap speakers for him!

    They're happy now! :)

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  51. Stream it by Little+Dave · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've discovered that its far preferable to run a Shoutcast server from home and stream 128kbit MP3s to my station at work. With a little bit of SSH jiggery and pokery I can get over the blocked port and have access to my full collection of 300+ albums. No need to sully the corporate machines at all.

    On the time wasting issue - yesterday, for some unfathomable reason, I couldn't connect to the Stream. Rather than increasing productivity, I found that the absence of music in my working life caused me to become a jibbering wreck. I spent most of the morning frantically trying to debug the problem, and the afternoon planning how I would investigate it when I got home. Music helps me to shut out the monotony and concentrate on the work.

    In the immortal words of the Tavares - Don't Take Away The Music!

  52. Re:Quoted from the article by scott1853 · · Score: 2

    Let me apologize for making a sarcastic comment you were too stupid to identify. Next time I'll use tags to help you out.

  53. Re:We have a simple policy at work by zbuffered · · Score: 2

    Probably not that kind of lesbian. The girls you're referring to are the sexually confused, so-called bisexuals. Those are the ones you want. Lesbians are the ones you see on ESPN2 playing pool. The ones you're looking for, you'll only find in Girls Gone Wild commercials on TV.
    So you should be looking for lesbian porn as well as straight porn on the HD, then it's go time.

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  54. I might waste bit of my time.... by HowlinMad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I bring or transfer my own MP3's to work. I might waste sometime playing around with them, but it does not bother me one bit. You see, I am not a smoker, and until they stop taking a ten minute break every half hour, then no body has any right to complain to me about five miuntes of fooling around with some music.

  55. This is absurd, music HELPS productivity by websensei · · Score: 2

    I'm a software developer in a free-range (read: sans-cubicle) environment -- and headphones allow for a lower interrupt level and fewer distractions. About a dozen of us pitched in for a 60GB drive a year ago and have been filling it with our favorite tunes. We paid for the drive, the bandwidth usage is reasonable, we're all happier and more productive, and everybody wins.
    Fortunately mgmt understands this here...

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  56. on the contrary... by psych031337 · · Score: 2

    I do some admin stuff for a 300 employee company in Hamburg, Germany. Ironically, at that location mp3's are welcome.

    This is easily explained as follows - there was a general ban on radio receivers. First reason was that it might cause conflicts when people can't agree on a station or two individuals share an office, with one being a person that needs silence to concentrate. The other reason was the simple that fact, that any radio receiver and tv receiver has to be properly registered with out GEZ, an organisation funding the public radio/tv and therefore collecting bucks with anyone owning a receiver. So technically, the cheap receiver in the office might not be registered and therefore illegal. To prevent the general ban was in place.

    Then people started to bring in discman's and headphones (the cd drives are config-locked in all boxes, so nothing to gain there). Some employees started bothering management for a solution. Instaling and registering radios for all offices was way out of question. The solution was setting up an old server, equipping it with some employee-sponsoreg large hard disk, and throw that sucker into the server room. Each user got a quote on those networked drives, just for mp3. So the employees could bring in their fav CD from home, have them ripped by the IT dep (cheap scipt utilising FreeCDDB, nearly no manual work) and then stream the files into their OS-supplied media players (although we installed Winamp as well to get rid of the exploit-ridden and memory hungry Redmond products). Sharing of mp3 between users is possible of course, or would you deny lending a co-worker your new CD? The pretty low costs for cheap loudspeakers (where they were not already installed) is a mere fragment of the cost radio receivers would have totaled.

    Is that copyright infringement? I think not. And even if it was, it's in the users hands. We made it clear that they had to physically own the CD to have mp3 imported, and that we would not just copy a mp3-filled compact to their folders. So, these people own the CD, but can leave it at home because they have a copy at work. Same thing as having a CD in the living room shelf and car CD changer at the same time - technically it is a rip, legally it is your fair use.

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  57. Re:Next.... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

    Insofar as the problems with the economy have virtually nothing to do with productivity, I'd say very little. One of the reasons why so many of us have so much slack time is that productivity remains ridiculously high, but people (or at least the middle-class and higher people for whom goods and services are being produced) just aren't buying goods and services.

  58. Justified Music by tarsi210 · · Score: 2
    At my workplace, we have one of the workstations with about 2800 MP3s on it. I had the discussion with my boss about our music collection and successfully argued for it for productive reasons. My reasoning was something of the following:
    1. Both myself and my coworkers work better with music.
    2. To get music, we either have to bring in CDs or listen to MP3s.
    3. CDs require changing them in the drive, whereas MP3s are automatic as long as you have a playlist.
    4. Therefore, MP3s are more productive because you don't have to stop to switch the CD in the drive.
    She bought it, and so we're allowed to continue. Luckily, myself and my coworker have very similar tastes to music, so it works out nicely.
  59. Bullshit. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2

    There are many types of IT jobs.

    I sit here 9 to 5, never travel, enviable salary and perks.

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  60. Work? by Snafoo · · Score: 2

    I'm supposed to use this computer for *work*?

    Dammit, all I do all day is hit 'reload' on
    the Slashdot Explorer program.

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  61. I have had a labor job. by Some+guy+named+Chris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Labor jobs are tough, no doubt. When I was younger, I worked a couple of summers for an electrical contractor. Much of the time I was actually digging the ditches you mention. In the summer. In south Georgia with nats and 90% humidity.

    Absolutely, it sucked. One thing about it, though, my brain never got so overwhelmed with mind numbing details that it wanted to climb out of my skull. When programming it often does.

    An article just this morning talks about how IT work sucks the soul right out of a person. At the end of a day digging ditches, you feel good. Tired, yes, but you have whole endorphin rush thing from the exercise, as well as a real feeling of acomplishment. The ditch is dug. You can see it is dug. Nobody is going to come along later and ask you can also make it an email sending ditch with instant messaging. It's a ditch. You know where you stand.

  62. Re:We have a simple policy at work by waldeaux · · Score: 2

    Actually - in 40 states, a lesbian (or any other non-heterosexual) can be fired "just because" they're non-heterosexual, even if they obey every company policy to the letter (well, except for the one marked "all employees must be heterosexual").

    I've been wondering: I know Cracker Barrel has such a policy, yet I've seen them in Massachusetts where it would be illegal to discriminate on the basis of orientation... how do they get around that?

  63. How I figure one third by m_chan · · Score: 2

    For the several replies that questioned the 1/3 waking statement, my thinking was along these lines:

    Total hours/year: 8760
    Total waking hours/year (as two-thirds of total hours): 5840
    Workhours/year: 2000
    Ratio, workhours/waking: 0.342465753

  64. Saturation point by crucini · · Score: 2
    The less money a company spends to keep track of what its employees are wasting, the more money they have to remain solvent.

    Exactly. Sometimes the tracking becomes more expensive than the resource being consumed. A manufacturing company was experiencing shrinkage of certain parts, like screws, nuts and electrical connectors. They gradually increased the level of control of parts issue, until the assembling employee had to request and sign for a "kit of parts" from a warehouse clerk. Their cost of production increased, and the shrinkage only decreased a little. No matter how tight they made the controls, some parts were being stolen. There must have been collusion between different employees.

    Then they tried a completely different system. They put 55 gallon steel drums in the manufacturing area and filled each one to the brim with one part. They abolished all tracking and controls. In the first week, some of the drums went down to 50%. Over time, however, the shrinkage (measured on a coarse scale now) has decreased nearly to zero.

    I'm not sure if or how this can be applied to corporate bandwidth usage.
  65. Re:Quit Crying by Vegeta99 · · Score: 2

    Amen to that, brotha. I work both the same job you have AND an office job. Young geek. I can't listen to MP3s or surf the net on my computer at work, but wtf would I want to? I'm at work to work.

  66. Re:It really is time for a crackdown. We need it. by Tranvisor · · Score: 2

    lol, I apologise, Mr. English teacher... :) I was in the wrong.