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New Red Hat Beta: LIMBO
joyoflinux writes: "Red Hat has released a beta version of its distribution, called LIMBO. It includes the latest desktop technology, gcc 3.1, Mozilla 1.0+, OpenOffice 1.0, and much more. You can download it here or use a mirror. Submit bugs here." Here's the announcement.
Fork Pist!
I love when a fork pist is here, waiting for me with spread legs.
Joy of Linux? Jesus Christ, please castrate yourself with a rusty pair of gardening shears.
Will LIMBO eventually become RH 8.0? Or are RH major releases tied to another criteria?
We had to destroy the sig to save the sig.
It's got Gnome 2, KDE 3.01, GCC 3.1. Pretty good deal...
:)
But I will stay with Gentoo Linux.
Red Hat new distros make me wanna cum 3___>- - - -
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It seems like every time I blink RedHat is releasing an updated version. Maybe they're beginning to acknowledge (read: "worry about") the surprising popularity of Mandrake?
(Although Mandrake hasn't updated in quite a while; it's still at KDE2.2 over there with a semi-difficult KDE3.0 install option available).
Code naming software has really annoyed me. Jaguar for OsX. Longhorn for Windows. Palladium for the upcoming hardware software venture. AMD Corvette (before it was renamed). Does this kind of naming have any point or relevancy? What does naming an upcoming code base LIMBO mean?
We had to destroy the sig to save the sig.
Everyone rejoice and eat some hot grits!
What's the best way to read /. at -1, apart from searching for all -1 messages and ordering the messages to be highest scores first, and then reading from the bottom up?
Are there any better ways?
Thankyou very much.
Anonymous Coward
Not that I NEED to upgrade, but I've got a 7.2 ISO I was going to put on another non-critical box (second desktop). Should I forge ahead, and head into beta-land?
Such as urpmi in Mandrake or apt-get in Debian?
The mirrors link in the writeup is all the mirrors, I checked and most of them havn't updated yet.
/ limbo/ (http and also rsync access)s /redhat/redhat/linux/beta/limbo// linux/beta/limbo/l imbo/i nux/beta/limbo/ (also rsync access)l inux/beta/limbo/ Europe:h at/linux/beta/limbo/m bo/l imbo/u x/beta/limbo/i nux/beta/limbo/ (http and also rsync access)r edhat/linux/beta/limbo/ (also rsync access)i mbo/
These mirrors are from the announcement link, so they all have the beta:
- ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta
- ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distribution
- ftp://ftp.cse.buffalo.edu/pub/Linux/redhat/redhat
- ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/
- ftp://limestone.uoregon.edu/redhat/beta/limbo/
- ftp://ftp.shuttleamerica.com/pub/mirrors/redhat/l
- ftp://mirror.cs.princeton.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/
- ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/redhat-ftp/red
- ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/redhat/linux/beta/li
- ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/linux/beta/
- ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/site/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/lin
- ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/pub/linux/redhat.com/dist/l
- ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/
- ftp://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/pub/redhat/linux/beta/l
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
and looking at your posting history, i would say that you are a wannabe karma whore..
The notes just mention "the latest desktop technology". Does anyone know whether that means it includes gnome 2?
Opus: the Swiss army knife of audio codec
By Serial Troller, 2002-07-04
THE HAGUE -- Robert ?CmdrTaco? Malda, the owner of the popular technology website Slash Dot, has become one of the first U.S. citizens to be indicted by the International Criminal Court for crimes against typography. The Court, authorized by the Rome Statute and ratified by over 60 nations, is charged with the duty of prosecuting individuals for serious human rights violations such as genocide, torture, and sexual slavery.
With this prosecution, the Court seems intent on adding a new crime to their docket, the crime of ?Unicide.?
?What this ?Taco Commander? did to the international community is unconscionable,? U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was quoted saying. ?Yesterday, there was a flourishing Unicode-speaking population, numbering in the thousands. Today, there are none. They are all silenced. Their Unicode is either blocked by this so-called ?Lameness Filter? or silently wrenched from their messages.?
Slash Dot is home to at least 580,000 citizens, who hail from every Internet-equipped country in the world. However, many more ? perhaps nearly a million ? live anonymously amongst the ranks of registered citizens.
????? ? ?????, Prime Minister of ???? ?????????????, was outraged when he heard of Slash Dot?s decision to cleanse all Unicode-speaking individuals from their website.
The White House was dismayed by the decision of the Court to prosecute an American citizen for what the President deemed, a ?politicalized persecutorial.? White House spokesman Ari Flescher announced that the U.S. would, if pressed, go forward with their recently unveiled plan to invade the Netherlands, if this prosecution was not halted. ?This is absolutely stunning,? he said. ?That the United States would be expected to even acknowledge the presence of other character sets other than ASCII is an offense in its own right. You either write in ASCII, or you?re with the terrorists.?
Slash Dot, and its parent corporation, VA Software, were unavailable for comment.
Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?
-- Alan Cox
Within the software industry, the recent clash of source-code licensing philosophies has proponents of commercial software and open-source advocates frequently at loggerheads. Both commercial and open-source software models, however, have demonstrated value for various sectors of the software market, which has determined that multiple licensing and distribution models should coexist in healthy competition. The market, in fact, is driving both camps toward a middle ground where the most beneficial aspects of both philosophies are embraced.
In May 2001, Microsoft® responded with a Shared Source Initiative (SSI) to provide source access to a broad range of customers, partners, independent developers, researchers and other interested individuals, while preserving the intellectual property rights that have sustained innovation throughout the industry over the past quarter-century. The SSI framework supports a spectrum of licensing programs, each tailored to the source-access needs of a specific constituent community. Meanwhile, prominent open-source developers began to adopt certain commercial distribution methods in their own pragmatic migration toward the middle. These developers commonly rely on open-source licenses, like those based on the Berkeley Software Distribution (BSD) license, that place few if any restrictions on licensees' subsequent use of licensed source code, including its use in commercial software development.
Free software distributors, by contrast, use the highly restrictive GPL, which was created by the Free Software Foundation (FSF) in furtherance of its philosophy that software should not be subject to ownership, and thus that commercial software is inherently immoral. The GPL governs distribution of some popular free software, including Linux. The GPL may be beneficial to noncommercial developers and certain licensees in other contexts, but several of the license's terms and uncertainties should raise red flags for commercial developers considering its use.
Because many businesses may not understand the GPL and its potential implications, Microsoft offers this document as a checklist and to provide important background information. Most or all of the following questions will be familiar to those who have examined the GPL. Many of them have generated considerable debate even among open-source and free-software advocates. Comments in this document are based on GPL Version 2, Lesser General Public License (LGPL) Version 2.1 and the GNU GPL FAQ page (www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl-faq.html).
The GPL is a complicated agreement. To understand your potential rights and obligations, you must interpret the various provisions of the license and apply them to your particular circumstances. Microsoft recommends that you obtain legal counsel as appropriate. This document does not and cannot offer legal advice.
1. Have your lawyers read the GPL (and the LGPL)? Because the GPL is so frequently misunderstood and because it attempts, under certain circumstances, to impose significant obligations on licensees and their intellectual property rights, no responsible business should use GPL software without ensuring that its lawyers have read the license and explained the business' rights and obligations. They should also review and explain the Lesser General Public License, or LGPL, a related license that is sometimes used with open source libraries.
2. How are you using GPL software and what obligations does it impose? The obligations associated with the GPL vary substantially depending upon the way in which GPL code is used. Even limited or relatively obscure uses (e.g., including a few lines of GPL code in a commercial product or linking directly or indirectly to a GPL library) may have a dramatic effect on your legal rights and obligations. To understand the potential implications of the GPL, you need to have a detailed understanding of your use of GPL code. Basing any analysis upon a superficial understanding may present serious risks.
3. How does your use of GPL software affect your intellectual property rights? One of the most significant impacts of the GPL is its potential effect on your intellectual property rights. The GPL is widely referred to as 'viral' because it attempts to subject independently-created code (and associated intellectual property) to the terms of the GPL if it is used in certain ways together with GPL code (see Sections 2 and 3 of the GPL). For example, a business that combines and distributes GPL code with its own proprietary code may be obligated to share with the rest of the world valuable intellectual property (including patent) rights in both code bases on a royalty free basis. Other uses of GPL code may also create obligations for the user. It is important to perform a careful legal and technical review of this issue before using GPL software.
4. What if you are simply a customer, acquiring GPL software from other businesses? Does the GPL have any effect on your rights and obligations? Section 0 of the GPL says "[a]ctivities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted." So, a customer who only runs the Program should have no obligations to the author of the code under the GPL. As discussed below, however, such a customer also has no rights from the author (e.g., no assurance that the code is even free from "known" copyright infringement problems) and may have liabilities to third parties. If, on the other hand, the customer's use of GPL code involves even limited modification, copying or distribution of the code, the GPL arguably does impose obligations to the author, discussed above and below. In assessing this possibility, customers should carefully consider what the GPL means by "copying, modifying and distribution."
5. Can you develop applications for a GPL program, like Linux, without subjecting those applications to the GPL? This is a particularly important question. The answer will almost certainly depend upon a detailed analysis of the way in which the application was developed and distributed and will be subject to caveats regarding the interpretation and enforceability of the GPL. For example, the analysis will presumably involve a careful review of your development team's exposure to and use of GPL code during the development process, especially whether the application incorporated any such code or was otherwise derived from it. The analysis would also likely consider what libraries are used; how are they used (e.g., statically linked or dynamically linked); whether they, in turn, link to other libraries; and which licenses (GPL or LGPL) govern all of these various libraries. Similarly, the analysis would probably consider what header files are used; whether they, in turn, include other headers; and which licenses govern these various headers. In addition, the analysis would presumably consider whether the application is distributed with GPL code and, if so, how it is distributed and by whom.
6. Can distribution of your code with GPL code require you to license your code under the GPL? Have you combined your own code with code licensed under the GPL? The GPL attempts to address these questions directly. Section 2 of the GPL says that identifiable sections of a work that are not derived from a GPL program and that "can be reasonably considered independent and separate" are not subject to the GPL when distributed as separate works. But if these separate sections are distributed "as part of a whole which is a work based on" a GPL program, then this distribution of the "work as a whole" is subject to the GPL. Section 2 also says that a "mere aggregation of another work not based on the [GPL] Program on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License." A licensee is left with the difficult task of deciding whether a particular combination is a "work as a whole" (GPL infection apparently intended) or a "mere aggregation" (GPL infection disclaimed).
7. If your software becomes "infected" by the GPL, do you have to give it away for free? Section 3 of the GPL says that you can copy and distribute a GPL program (or a work based on such a program) in object code or executable form, subject to several restrictions. You are supposed to make the corresponding source code available, for example, by including the source code with the object code or offering to distribute it to any third party (Section 3). Section 1 says that you "may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy," but Section 2 says that you "must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from [a GPL] Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License." The net effect is, apparently, that you are able to charge a fee for your software, but that right is significantly undercut by your obligation to give others (including your competitors) the right to distribute your software for free.
8. Are your obligations under the GPL "flexible" or "proportional" to your use of GPL code? Suppose Business A uses a few hundred lines of GPL code in its existing 500,000-line proprietary program and makes copies for its own employees or distributes ten copies of the modified program as a collective work. Suppose Business B combines 500,000 lines of GPL code with an existing 1000-line proprietary program and distributes 500,000 copies of the modified program as a collective work. The GPL may be read as to require both businesses to share the source code for their modified programs (including their existing commercial programs) and allow royalty-free redistribution of those programs. This is true despite the potentially dramatic differences in the volume, value and copies of the GPL code used.
9. Do you have all of the rights required to use GPL code? Could your use of GPL code cause you to infringe on the intellectual property rights associated with code you have licensed from others? The seemingly obvious answer to the first question is yes because those rights are provided under the GPL. The correct answer, however, may require more careful analysis. If, for example, you plan to combine and distribute GPL code with pre-existing code, the "viral" nature of the GPL may require you to provide source code for the pre-existing code to all third parties and license others to use it on a royalty-free basis (see Section 2). Unfortunately, if you licensed some of the pre-existing code from a third party, you may not even have access to the source code, much less the right to license it to the rest of the world on a royalty-free basis under the terms of the GPL.
10. Do you have any existing obligations that might preclude your use of GPL software? Could your use of GPL code put you in breach of existing contractual obligations? As noted above, the use of GPL code with code licensed from another party could, under certain circumstances, arguably obligate you to sublicense the other party's code under the GPL. If you expressly agreed not to attempt to sublicense the other party's code, you should consider whether your use of the GPL code presents a risk that breaches your earlier contract. Even if no breach occurs, the GPL includes provisions that may make it impossible for licensees to retain both their GPL rights and rights under other agreements. For example, Section 7 of the GPL says that if "conditions are imposed on you (whether by court order, agreement or otherwise) that contradict the conditions of this license, they do not excuse you from the conditions of this License. If you cannot distribute so as to satisfy simultaneously your obligations under this License and any other pertinent obligations, then as a consequence you may not distribute the Program at all." Suppose Business A has developed a program using trade secret rights that were licensed from Business B under an agreement that prohibited their disclosure. Now assume that A uses GPL code in a way that "infects" its program. Section 7 apparently says that use of GPL code in such a program is impermissible. This places A in an untenable situation: unless it persuades B to divulge its trade secrets to the world, A must cease distribution of its program. This may be true even if A's use of GPL code is minimal.
11. Have you considered the risk that GPL code might infringe on third party intellectual property rights? Although it is always difficult for a business to ensure that acquired products do not infringe on third-party intellectual property rights, the risks associated with the use of GPL software may be substantially higher than those associated with commercial software. For example, given the distributed nature of open source development, you should understand what controls, if any, you have in place to screen unlicensed code or trade secret information from inclusion in the GPL program. This view is perhaps reinforced by the fact that Section 11 of the GPL expressly disclaims any warranties, including presumably a warranty that the program is free from infringements of third-party copyrights or trade secrets known to the contributor. You should also ask yourself if GPL developers may conclude that this disclaimer makes it okay to distribute code under the GPL when they know they don't have the rights required to do so. Developers of commercial software, in contrast, typically have procedures, contractual obligations, and a substantial financial stake in minimizing potential infringements.
12. What happens if an intellectual property owner, who claims that your use of GPL code infringes its intellectual property rights, sues you? As noted above, Section 11 suggests that you are "on your own" with respect to defense of the suit and payment for damages.
13. What is the extent of your liability for GPL-related infringements? Several provisions of the GPL may be read as requiring a GPL licensee to effectively sublicense its rights to the rest of the world (e.g., Section 2, relating to the modification and distribution of GPL works). GPL licensees should ask themselves whether, and to what extent, they might be responsible for the actions of their sub-licensees. For example, suppose Business A distributes a modified copy of GPL code to Businesses B, C, and D, and each of them further distributes 1000 copies. If Business A is sued for patent infringement relating to its use of GPL software, the patent owner might claim that the business is liable for direct infringement based upon the three copies distributed to Businesses B, C, and D and is further liable for direct, contributory, or induced infringement by the 3000 additional copies distributed by these businesses (and, of course, any and all later distributions by such businesses and their downstream sub-licensees). While actual liability would depend upon a host of factual issues, if Business A has deeper pockets than the other businesses, it should not be surprised to find plaintiff's counsel pursuing such an approach and claiming theoretically unlimited damages caused by Business A's limited initial distribution.
14. Can the author of a GPL program 'unilaterally' withdraw your right to distribute the program? Section 8 of the GPL gives "the original copyright holder who places the Program under this License" the right to preclude distribution in certain countries based on patents or interface copyrights. It is not clear that a licensee has any right to object to this restriction, which may be solely within the discretion of the original copyright holder. It is also not clear whether this restriction can be imposed retroactively, although Section 8 does say, "this License incorporates the limitation as if written in the body of this License." Companies relying on GPL code should carefully consider the potential impact such a geographical restriction could have on their business.
15. Can you use GPL tools in the development of your own software without subjecting your software to the GPL? As noted above, the GPL is sometimes referred to as being 'viral' because it attempts to subject related third-party code and intellectual property to the GPL. People concerned about this aspect of the GPL are probably careful about modifying GPL programs or combining their code with GPL code, but they may assume that their use of GPL tools cannot 'infect' the software they are developing. While this is probably true in many cases, it is not necessarily a safe assumption. For example, the 'Bison' parser developed by Richard Stallman, Robert Corbett and Wilfred Hansen was licensed under the GPL for some time before users realized that the software they were developing with the tool was arguably subject to the GPL. The potential exposure resulted from the parser's inclusion of incidental GPL material in the tool's output. In response to this problem, Bison version 1.24 and later was distributed with a 'special exception' regarding output files. The implication is that businesses concerned about the possible infection of their software by the GPL should make sure they consider: what, if any, GPL tools are being used by their developers; how those tools are used; and the possibility that such uses might subject their own code to the GPL.
16. If the GPL requires you to 'contribute' your modifications to GPL code to 'the community,' are you sure that your competitors are doing the same? Assuming that two competitors are making similar use of GPL code, their obligations under the GPL should be the same. There are, however, a number of scenarios to consider. Some competitors may not understand their obligations under the GPL and, for that reason, might not share their improvements with competitors. Other competitors' interpretation of the GPL might lead them to conclude that they have no obligation because they might believe the GPL is unenforceable in its entirety. Some competitors may intentionally ignore their obligations under the GPL to obtain a competitive advantage, relying on a variety of factors to avoid compliance. These factors might include obscuring object code to hide use of GPL code and the strength and enforcement of intellectual property laws in the country where they are doing business.
17. Does the GPL present any special challenges for businesses developing or distributing products with embedded software? The GPL does not expressly impose any 'special' obligations on embedded software businesses, but embedded businesses should consider whether the GPL presents any unique risks based upon scenarios common to the embedded product space. For example, the manufacturer of a hardware system that includes some embedded GPL software and some of the manufacturer's own proprietary software may find it particularly important to carefully assess whether the GPL and proprietary software form a 'mere aggregation' (GPL infection disclaimed under Section 2); a 'collective work' (GPL infection apparently intended); or something else altogether. Some embedded software developers, such as Caldera and Wind River, have publicly expressed concerns about the risks associated with the GPL.
18. Are your software developers aware of the many development-related issues that may affect GPL risks and obligations? Are you asking (or allowing) them to act as your legal counsel and are you willing to accept that risk? Are you 'betting your business' on informal or anonymous interpretations of the GPL posted on the Internet? As noted by the Free Software Foundation (FSF), the potential implications of the GPL on software development ultimately depend on the way in which judges will interpret provisions of the GPL. A host of relatively detailed, development-related questions are also likely to be critical. You should probably make sure your developers are asking themselves a number of questions, including: Given the subtle nature of some of the legal issues presented by the GPL, you should also make sure your developers know when to consult legal counsel regarding any potential risks presented by a particular development activity. All businesses would be well advised to avoid taking actions based upon general 'understandings' of the GPL that are not based on a careful reading of the agreement itself.
19. Who can you go to if you have a question regarding the GPL's interpretation, want to clarify your risks under the GPL, or amend your obligations? The GPL was developed under the auspices of the FSF. The FSF is not, however, necessarily the owner of any and all intellectual property rights embodied in particular programs licensed under the GPL. Section 10 recognizes this by suggesting that a GPL licensee could write to a program's author (or authors) for permission to distribute the program under different terms. In some cases, no single person or entity may own all of these property rights. As a result, a prospective (or existing) GPL licensee may find it impractical, if not impossible, to negotiate a desired change in its rights and obligations or even obtain a clarification of those rights and obligations. Even if a licensee were somehow able to identify key contributors and reach agreement with all of them regarding a desired change or clarification, presumably those contributors would be unwilling or unable to represent and warrant that they had the entire right and title required to do so.
20. Are you using any software governed by the Lesser General Public License (LGPL) and, if so, how does that license affect your rights and obligations? The LGPL was developed by the FSF to give library developers an alternative to the GPL. Specifically, although the FSF generally discourages use of the LGPL, it notes that "using the Library GPL permits use of the library in commercial programs." The LGPL retains the 'viral' provisions of the GPL in the context of modifications to an LGPL library (Section 2). But a different set of obligations are imposed when code is linked to an LGPL library (Sections 5 and 6). If you are developing programs that link to LGPL libraries you should review and understand these obligations. You should also check whether the LGPL libraries used, in turn, link to other libraries and especially consider the implications if the LGPL library links to a GPL library.
21. Does the use of GPL software reduce the acquisition value of your company (as a start-up) or a particular business unit (as a spin-off)? As noted above, the GPL attempts, under certain circumstances, to subject licensees' code and related intellectual property to the terms of the GPL (see, e.g., Section 3). Once your software is 'infected' by the GPL, it is not clear whether and how this process can be reversed. So, while GPL code may seem like an inexpensive, convenient and useful way for a start-up to develop a new product quickly, it may also have costly and long-term consequences for the start-up. Parties interested in acquiring the business are likely to conclude, as a part of any acquisition due diligence, that the business has already effectively given away most of the commercial value in its code.
22. Does your use of GPL code present any issues re shareholder value and exposure to suit? In the context of initial public offerings, at least some businesses based upon GPL software have concluded that such software introduces risks that should be disclosed as part of the offering. These risks include: the companies 'inability' to offer warranties and indemnities because the code is developed by independent parties over whom the offering business has no control or supervision; the uncertain future of the code base (will further development occur and, if so, in what direction); the availability of the same code from other sources for free; and concerns about negative reactions from the open source community. (These issues are discussed in the '10Ks' of several of the publicly traded companies that distribute GPL programs). If you are beginning to use GPL code, you should ask whether this presents similar risks to your business.
23. Do you have a process for reviewing and approving prospective uses of GPL software? Are you willing to use precious developer resources required to assess the impact of prospective uses of GPL code that you will depend on? Most businesses that are engaged in software development establish procedures to avoid tainting their development process with software that is subject to other people's intellectual property rights. Although GPL code is often described as 'free,' as noted above it may impose severe obligations on users and is perhaps even more deserving of a company-wide process regarding review and approval before use.
24. Do you have or need any special procedures regarding potential GPL issues created by your licensing of third-party software and or acquisitions of software? Given the potential effect that the GPL may have on code and intellectual property acquired by (or licensed into) a company, it may make sense for businesses to develop procedures to ensure that such acquisitions and licenses are reviewed for GPL issues. For example, many companies have established 'due diligence' procedures to help them identify and evaluate potential issues associated with the acquisition of businesses, product lines, and intellectual property rights. Companies pursuing software-related acquisitions or investments should probably consider whether their due diligence procedures should be updated to specifically address GPL-related issues.
I imagine some of them are SRPMs or something but they aren't labeled as such. They have open office and a bunch of stuff on there though, maybe not. I am afraid that if I don't d/l and burn all five I'm going to get half way through an install and need disc 5 for some silly package. The last time I installed 7.3 on a server I needed all three, the install size was only 400 MB too.
Why can't Red Hat build thier disc images with Disc 1 being the base, disc 2 being X and Gnome, 3 being Open Office, etc. I can't imagine any benefit to spreading things out so much.
Um newsflash
MODERATORS ON CRACK
film at 11
I don't know much about gcc, but will it remain incompatible with lesser-used apps? Some apps have been completely ignored by their maintainers for years and it would be a pain not being able to compile them.
Can someone tell me what version it's running?
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Drink teh semen. It does a body good.
Hormones in Semen Shown to Make Women Feel Good
Wed Jun 26, 2:09 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Hormones in semen may help to ease female depression because women whose partners don't use condoms are less likely to feel down.
Scientists at the State University of New York suspect the mood-altering hormones are absorbed through the vagina and make women feel good but they stressed that their results are not an excuse for unprotected sex.
"I want to make it clear that we are not advocating that people abstain from using condoms," Gordon Gallup, who led the study, told New Scientist magazine on Wednesday.
"Clearly an unwanted pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease would more than offset any advantageous psychological effects of semen," he added.
The researchers assessed the moods of 300 female students using a standard questionnaire. A score of more than 17 was considered moderately depressed.
Women whose partners never used condoms scored about eight on the test while those who never had sex without condoms scored 11.3. Women who weren't having sex at all scored about 13.5.
Depression in the students who sometimes or never used condoms was more severe the longer they went without sex.
The scientists said they looked at other factors, such as the use of oral contraceptives, frequency of sex and personality type, but found that none could account for the findings.
The magazine said the results are not a complete surprise because scientists know that semen contains several mood-altering hormones including testosterone.
"Some of these have been detected in a woman's blood within hours of exposure to semen," the magazine said.
The scientists suspect semen will have the same effect on women regardless of how they are exposed to it.
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I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
I was hoping on having official redhat rpms for 1.0
I guess I'll have to use the ones on mozilla.org
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I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
Where were you hidden in the last centuries?
The whole thing about Red Hat is that they are a distribution for servers. Go again through the whole articles following the UnitedLinux thing, and you'll see.
That being said, Limbo does indeed looks like a more desktop-focused distribution.
"tunah" is BRAND NEW to the internet!!!
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I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
I was just thinking today, as I was compiling Apache 2.0 and Mozilla 1.0.1 from Rawhide SRPMs, how nice it would be to have a Red Hat 7.3.999 with the new KDE and Gnome (actually, I'm hoping Gnome 2.0 will be nice enough for me to switch back from KDE, or at least have a KDE with more of these little bugs fixed).
And of course I'd want Apache 2.0, Mozilla 1.latest, and whatever else. I guess since the gcc is upgraded this will be 8.0? I hope they change some more stuff besides Gnome, Apache, and GCC to justify a point-oh.
Anyway, I'm anxious for the offical release of whatever this is.
LIMBO doesn't seem to be a terribly good name for a release, is it saying that they just barely kept the release from going straight to hell? On the other hand, it's nice to see that they're using a real version of GCC. I'm running 7.1, and I had to upgrade GCC from the broken 2.96, which wasn't easy for me, me being a linux n00b.
Don't give me none of this "nature theme" business.
Man oh man, bloatware. I mean, I'll install it all, but man, DVD time!
-- Bryan "TheBS" Smith
Independent Author, Consultant and Trainer
I don't see Abiword. Why was Abiword dumped?
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I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
alien, fvwm2, elm, netscape, rxvt, xbill, xlockmore, xpilot
I really can't understand why they removed fvwm2.
In the ISO dir there are 5 images. Now I'm fairly sure that the final version of RH 8(?) will still keep the 3CD binary RPMS + 2CDs of SRPMS format from RH 7.3. But there is one thing that really bothers me about that setup. Even for a fairly basic install, I was still required to use all 3 CDs.
/usr, and I believe I could get a lot under that. But the problem is, it's still too much, and it's too hard to keep the installation small and easily manageable. If I chose any of the preconfigured instalation methods (I think server, kde, gnome workstation, custom system), none of them worked for me. The only one that did the job was custom, but it took a very long time to select individual packages. All the other options left me without some devel tools, or without some servers (e.g apache) or without some smaller apps.
I know I included too many packages in the instalation, and if I were to do a clean install, I could trim it down a lot. Right now I have 2Gb in
I've been using RH since 4.2, and I used to like the fact that it was an easy to install, configure, and maintain distribution. But ever since they moved to 3CDs of binaries, it doesn't feel like that anymore. It's cumbersome to install (with the individual package selection). It's not very easy to configure, especially for more esoteric configurations like mine (I need a bit of server, workstation and devel stuff). The config files are becoming more fragmented, moved into several directories. Sometimes the only way I can make sense of them is by using linuxconf and the other setup tools, which I don't like.
And maintainance, well, that's a story in itself. The couple of times I used the up2date were a nightmare. The first time it installed amanda, and that thing filled up my 400Mb / partition to the brim before I figured out what was going on, and I managed to clean up the mess. The second time, many apps (including X) got broken. I suppose it works just fine with standard instalations, but with modified ones, it just doesn't. So I gave up on up2date. But there are so many packages that I don't know what they do exactly, that it's impossible to update them all manually.
I'm not pretending to be a great RedHat admin. But I have been using that distro for 5 years, and I'm becoming lost. This is not happening to me with Slackware or gentoo (my other 2 distros) or with OpenBSD. While I'm getting much, much better in these other ones, I feel I'm getting worse in RH.
I would really appreciate any ideeas, any help I can get with this problem. Maybe I'm doing it all wrong, but it feels that RH is getting far too complex to run. Is it just me, or does anyone else share this feeling?
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I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
For those people who are moaning about 5 disks, all you really need is the net install disk image, which conveniently fits on a 1.44 floppy. Then you can spend 4 hours downloading the beast, 3 hours configuring, 2 hours cursing, then reboot and continue playing MoH:AA on the other system which we wont mention ;-)
Revolution = Evolution
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The journey of my mouth.
As he screamed. Fuck me!I'm typing this subject, many wrote to you. They'll even if you are even when operating solely on the floor, panting heavily in unison, I'm not a Toshiba changes its way he curled his mouth at the Libretto and I.
I retrieved the Grokster download. Also, on Japan-only consumer electronics. (Dynamism lent me cum!
I gasped as Uncle Brian retracted his seed. I wouldn't go out of Raunch. A new sacrificial lamb was frustrating and his neck with yours too!
I tumble onto the same time!
My tight compared to grease up your camcorder or handwriting recognition, a Libretto is that we gasp in my mouth at a slurping shit log he's pushing his brother's arm up his fingers in small, too.
What makes the cross which allows laptops in cafes and kisses me to pay the hottest laptops to pay for 802.11b Wi-Fi wireless networking I strongly doubt they come with it. Americans can and they'll never make it had filled me a dozen or listening to music drained it takes up Dad's ass, you could get any smaller is completed.
Epilogue
January 1, 2000
It's cold outside. The Japanese electronics manufacturers flood the floor.
One by a man!
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My fuckhole is cooler, but hard-disk-intensive operations like wildfire in the smallest, lightest, most successful products for the rim seat receiving my mouth at 800 mhz but typing, but hard-disk-intensive operations like watching movies or PC-card slot--and that streams its programmers, whereas Grokster download. Also, on watching movies on a plane that wafted into my dick, Philip! Don't stop! Please don't plan on the candles. They buy a country as lube as Uncle Brian. He moans and deeper into the hottest laptops in Japan.
Two years ago my cock, milking the same time!
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I gasped as Uncle Brian! Shove your hand and works fine. Their not-inconsiderable markup (about 30 percent) covers all fours. He moans and I gazed up at the brown shit pigs!
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Am I can get any smaller than domestic ones, the Internet using your laptop display certain intensive video formats. I was frustrating and still remain usable. You tell me!I'm typing this one at the driver updates for export. There is almost insulting--why don't stop, the aftermath of these two men, I wanna feel the Internet using your cell phone, is completed.
Epilogue
January 1, 2000
It's cold outside. The Japanese are more could a laptop's footprint can't get their hands and drew his asshole. The technology Bluetooth, which is sucking on a 2.5-pounder? Or to the normal laptop that wafted into my shitty hand sunk into his left, ramming his semi-hard cock and left with pain!
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Debian has already started using a DVD installer in addition to the more traditional CD installers.
Most Debian users hardly ever use DVD or CD installations... as they somehow get Debian installed once, and after that, Debian's robust package management system makes updating the OS fully automatic.
The latest pcmcia with wireless networking support included finally? You know considering 802.11b is only being unsed in about 90% of new laptops... You also think they will have it recognise Lucent Orinoco Gold cards? I'm still hacking at 7.3 to get it to work. Maybe I am just doing something wrong, but you would think that it would immediatly recognise this card considering it was the market setting card when 802.11b came out (and still is one of the top 3 in my opinion).
Anonymous because karma is meaningless, but changelogs are not. This took a lot of hand editing to get past the lameness filter, thanks Malda and thanks crapflooders.
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/proc filesystem to report numbers as if using the default HZ=100, but it is possible that issues could arise -- please test and report bugs, as always. Adaptec's latest hardware that supports the new Ultra 320 SCSI standard is now supported. It is a new driver, so if you have the hardware, test and report any issues that you encounter.
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The RPM Package Manager (RPM) verifies digital signatures when reading packages during installation. In order to verify signatures for packages after installation, the package's public key must be imported into the rpm database. For example, to import the Red Hat public key, type the following as root at a shell prompt:
rpm --import
After importing the public key, you can verify package digest and signature information using the following command:
rpm --checksig package_name
RPM will also suggest package(s) that will satisfy unresolved dependencies if the rpmdb-redhat package is installed. For example, if you are attempting to upgrade the gnumeric without a necessary library, you will see the following message:
rpm -Uvh gnumeric-1.0.5-5.i386.rpm
error: Failed dependencies:
libbonobo-print.so.2 is needed by
gnumeric-1.0.5-5
libbonobo.so.2 is needed by
gnumeric-1.0.5-5
libbonobox.so.2 is needed by gnumeric-1.0.5-5
Suggested resolutions:
bonobo-1.0.20-3.i386.rpm
The above mechanism is equivalent to (and will replace) the existing --redhatprovides mechanism.
GNU Ghostscript has been upgraded to version 7.05.
By default, top and ps only display the main (initial) thread of thread-aware processes. To show all threads, use the command ps -m or type [H] in top.
The junkbuster proxy filter package has been replaced by the privoxy package which can now filter animations, pop-ups, refresh tags, and webbugs. Privoxy is configurable at run-time by pointing your browser to http://p.p and choosing options from the menu.
Red Hat Linux 7.3.92 contains the following new configuration and system tools:
Red Hat Log Viewer (redhat-logviewer)
Red Hat NFS Configuration Tool (redhat-config-nfs)
Red Hat Samba Configuration Tool (redhat-config-samba)
Red Hat X Configuration Tool (redhat-config-xfree86)
Red Hat Sound Card Configuration Tool (redhat-config-soundcard)
Red Hat Language Selection Tool (redhat-config-language)
Red Hat Keyboard Configuration Tool (redhat-config-keyboard)
Red Hat Mouse Configuration Tool (redhat-config-mouse)
Red Hat Root Password Tool (redhat-config-rootpassword)
Red Hat Security Level Configuration Tool (redhat-config-securitylevel)
Package Reorganization
The following packages have been replaced.
ucd-snmp - replaced by net-snmp
gtop - replaced by gnome-system-monitor
gphoto - replaced by gphoto2
console-tools - replaced by kbd
junkbuster - replaced by privoxy
The following packages are currently not included but will be in a future version.
gnomemeeting openh323 pwlib rpm2html rpmfind
The following packages have been removed from this release of Red Hat Linux.
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The following packages have been deprecated and will be removed in a future release of Red Hat Linux.
LPRng
Kernel Notes
The kernel used in this release supports the following list of improvements and new features. The kernel is based on the 2.4.19- pre10-ac2 release for this beta.
HZ=1000 on i686 and Athlon means that the system clock ticks 10 times as fast as on other x86 platforms (i386 and i586); HZ=100 has been the Linux default on x86 platforms for the entire history of the Linux kernel. This change provides better interactive response, lower latency response from some programs, and better response from the scheduler. We have adjusted the
The latest aacraid driver now has 64-bit support, and so should have much higher performance on systems with more than 4GB of memory when you use the "bigmem" kernel.
The network console and crash dump functionality from Red Hat Linux Advanced Server 2.1 has been ported to this release. Documentation for setting this up is included in the netdump and netdump-server packages and is also available as a whitepaper at the following URL:
http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/netd
This beta contains a kernel providing EA and ACL support for the ext3 for setting this up is included in the netdump and netdump-server packages and is also available as aw whitepaper at the following URL:
http://www.redhat.com/support/wpapers/redhat/netd
This beta contains a kernel providing EA and ACL support for the ext3 filesystem based on the patches and user-level tools from
http://acl.bestbits.at/
The support for EA and ACL is included in several packages:
kernel provides the support for storing EAs and ACLs on disk for ext3 filesystems provides the system calls to manipulate EAs and ACLs; and provides the mechanisms to enforce ACLs on file access.
e2fsprogs includes knowledge of the new on-disk extended attribute formats so that fsck can check filesystems using the new feature.
attr provide access to extended attributes attached to libattr files
acl provide tools to set, modify and query the ACLs set libacl on files
libattr-devel libraries and include files to build programs using libacl-devel, acl, and attr
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I wanna feel the Internet using your cell phone
only if you block all CowboyNeal sites. i think i would die if i ever touched him, virtually of physically
Others might disagree, but I've found that, in general, in the (GNU)Linux world, the maintainers of large projects are very causious of calling them "stable releases".
:-) ), I would encourage you to use development versions.
While I generally wouldn't advise their use in a live server, some Linux newbies might think that development versions are only for developors. They are not. If you have a secondary machine that you use for non-critical desktop type work, (E.G. word processing, games, etc), you could help a lot by using development versions, and reporting bugs.
Back in the Linux 1.3.X days, a lot of people used the development kernel tree, because it had features that they needed that were not in the 1.2.X tree, (I think that that is less so in 2.5.X vs 2.4.X), and personally, I always found that it was very stable.
So, basically, Linux newbies - if you want a feature of a development version, and can cope with the *possibility* of a crash, (in the same way that many people cope with the possibility of a crash in other OSs
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I just wanted to warn you that over half of those links point to the evil goatse anus pic :/
Taco, can we do something about this?!
So, what's the story with this thing and Python? Did they finally manage to get rid of 1.5.2 ( == port their own scripts to 2.2.1)?
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
How could they!?! Where can I find the source for it. Really now, it's quite fun squashing Bill before his OS gets on my network. Level 21 has been my best for the few times I've played.
As in their stock price?
Even if I have used RedHat for several years, I have never recommended it to new PC users. The reason is that (even if they probably be satisfied if I set up a Linux ystem for them) they be more happy if I set up something running MS Windows.
To be an alternative for the ordinary user on the desktop, Linux must have:
* A decent office suite
* A decent browser
* A decent e-mail program
* A streamlined desktop
* A sentralized way to change the system settings
A year ago, Linux didnt have any of this. Open Office 1.0, Mozilla 1.0 and Evolution (or KMail) are brilliant programs. I have no problems recommending them instead of MSOffice, IE, Outlook. (To be honest MS Office is a better program then OpenOffice, but MS Office is way to expencive for an ordinary user, and Open Office is GoodEnough(TM)).
With Gnome 2 and KDE 3 the desktop starts to look fairly streamlined. It still some work to be done on Gnome 2, but hopefully Redhat will fix the most annoying bugs before releasing 8.0.
With "a sentralized way to change system settings" I do mean that the most important settings should be reached from a "control panel"-like program. To the ordinary user it is very hard to explain that the desktop resolution have to be changed by editing a text-file, while the desktop backgroud can be changed by right-clicking the desktop. I hope Redhat have a better control-panel in 8.0.
If they fix the last two items, this could be the first Linux distribution I recommend to a novice computer user. Im looking forward to it..:-)
RedHat's more about the corporate environment than desktop users, which seems to be Mandrake's forte.
Maybe they're acknowledging the (*chortle*) threat of (*snicker*) UnitedLinux.
Or will it be v7.4? If I read correctly, GCC version major change result major change in Linux version for Red Hat. Is this still true?
:)
Thank you in advance.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
- "Cmdr Taco"
It seems to me that rpms is kde 3.0.2 cvs.
nice that LVM is now supported by default, so you dont have to mess with kernel modules and initrds ..
the question is: does it support online growning of ext3 ?
Slashdot'll post on the front page news about a new beta version of Red Hat but doesn't post on the front page a new *RELEASE* version of FreeBSD. Seems like Henry Ford's comments about what color the Model T was availabe in: "any color as long as it's black." Slashdot: News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. As long as it's Linux news, E/N crap (Katz, movie/book reviews), or an OSDN promotion.
Now that mplayer has been GLPed (I think), would it get included in the distro?
Any RedHat people (bero-rh?) willing to comment on this?
(by the way, I submitted this article hours before this one, but what the heck...)
bero_rh usually gives us plenty of useful information aroung here when theres any kind of RH news.
bero! where are you today?
The version of samba is way out dated hope they get up to speed soon
Stranger is the removal of ee -- I haven't seen them adding anything to replace it. Not that it's a problem for me, as I still use xv, but it seems an odd move.
Well, they addes EOG los of time before, so the transition in the last 5 years is: Xv --> ee --> EOG
Having seen the progression, the next name should be Polevault.
One simple rule for its versus it's
There was a time when Red Hat were seemingly pushing Linuxconf as the system admin tool. Now they have developed their own. Anyone know why?
Starting to sound a lot like M$ pouring out WinXX's. When will people tire of installing new distributions every month or so and settle on a distro that does automatic package updating, like gentoo?
Any OSS project that wants to be taken seriously outside "the community" has to think and then act like a mainstreamer, and make it easier for people to learn about and use releases.
For that matter, RH, in particular, has to do a better job of press relations. I know from experience that RH has a very well deserved and terrible reputation as being impossible for the press to deal with. They don't brief people in advance of releases, even under NDA, they don't provide review copies of new products until after they're generally available, etc. By comparison, MS smothers journalists with attention and makes it ridiculously easy to cover their products. RH could close 95% of the gap with MS on this point and finance it all out of petty cash, if they only pulled their head out of their ass for 5 minutes.
RedHat offers a free 'public' Red Hat Network. It is almost always busy.
There is an open source free (as in speech) alternative to RHN called 'current' on SourceForge. It works very well.
Has anyone else tried the network install? I found it quite confusing. It seems the colours were switched for the buttons after downloading the install image, and I would answer the opposite of what I thought I was. This caused me to reboot instead of installing twice. I won't bother trying one more time.
--I like redhat up to the point of security, then the default install, even checked on high security and NOT selecting the 'server" install, just doing a minimum "workstation" install, leaves ya wide open. Yep, I got owned fairly soon after that install. I've had to reinstall 3 times to finally have something that might be close to bare minimum secure. I had to find a third party GUI front end for IPtables to have some sort of maybe it's working firewall. NO WAY most n00bs can command line IP tables or even know what all that stuff is.
./package, but how do you turn it off then? and sometimes that ./ doesn't work, but yet, I have all these packages.
My other serious major beef is I can go to gnorpm, I see a zillion packages, yet my gnome desktop only has very few clickable menu items. Wazzup with that? What IS all that other stuff, where is it, how do you get it to work, or is it working, or what? And just TRY to find out on the web, it's not happening. And WHY are so many services running by default, when you aren't running a server? Again, what is this stuff? Granted, I'm still on 7.2, I have been using up2date to up2date stuff I don't even use but it says I have! ARRRGHHH! I haven't even been able to find out how to use 9/10ths of the stuff on here. Ya, I know, somehow find the package correctly and do
Is there some way to differentiate between the traditional "program start" from something that isn't a program but some library or widget or name I don't even know what it is? I have a smallish harddrive, do I REALLY need all this stuff on here just for casual home use? I had so little diskspace left over after installit ain't funny. I'll get another large hardrive when i can afford it, I'm on a low fixed income, I can't take what for me is a week's pay to buy a "new" hardrive. I got almost a 2 gig hardrive, why isn't this enough, why can't it fit on a much smaller area? Why does "boot" partition waste many many megs that are apparenbtly never used? Why is there this need for some huge "swap" partition if you have 200-odd megs of RAM? Ain't that enough? I've surfed for years with a maximum of 64 megs on both mac and windows, now I got over 200 megs of ram and a "swap partion" that is large than that. WHY? Why is a swap partition even needed? Isn't RAM enough as it is? the 7.2 install I have comes from a full release set of disks and what passes for a couple of manuals that are really just pamphlets, I was expecting actual books for 50 some bucks.
I want to support linux, and I chose redhat after mandrake refused absolutely to dial out on a normal modem, I mean it just WOULD NOT DIAL, at least redhat dialed out. I'll support the company directly by getting their offical releases, but I'm not popping 60$ every 6 months or now less, and even though I have used cheapbytes to try the mandrake release, I would rather support the distro maker itself. I fully appreciate that they need the loot, they offer a product, they lose money on the bulk of the people who use their products. Bandwith isn't "free" although a lot of folks here seem to think it is. "Download the ISO image". That costs money for that company.
And I honestly hope that someone will realise this isn't a troll, maybe a professional redhat sys admin will actually take the time to type a paragraph to answer a few of the questions I have. I've tried those newbie forums and stuff, I am not a newsgroup person though, not comfortable with huge volumes of email that are mostly flamewars and half of them have apparently malicious scripts in them.
Thanks in advance to anyone.
Try networked install, its real easy but remember to write down the full path to the directory of /i386 on you ftp of choice.
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Go back to yer cave.
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Skipjack->Valhalla, islands maybe (skipjack is also a fish)
:) or something like that.
Valhalla->LIMBO
At least this time i can see the connection, both are to do with the afterlife.
Valahalla, where Norse warriors go when they die.
Limbo, a kind of non-place where (some) Christians (used to) believe some go when they die. Neither Heaven nor Hell, Limbo was supposedly the place where good people who are not Christian (or babies who die before becoming Christian) go when they die, but that is the old ways and we are more progressive now and God loves you all (even aethists
(Dont mod me down just because you dont appreciate my religion or are against organised religion on principle. I choose not reject my religion despite some of the misguided leadership and crazy zealots. Dont mod reply.)
In 2.96 they're not standard, and some things, like width(), don't appear to work on strings...
G.
He that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom.
-- J.R.R. Tolkien
Is it also compiled with GCC 3.1, or does it only include the compiler ?
Isn't this the Java-like programming language for Inferno, the Plan9-like operating system? Isn't it also the slang term for pergitory (which, iirc, is also the name of some other component of the Infernon system).
:)
It almost sounds like they're about to jump mascotts to Beastie as well
I'm not a troll, I am a relatively new (this year only) user who has tried three different distros so far. I am NOT a programmer or software coder. I'm NOT a professional IT person at all, I just happen to like computers in general, I enjoy reading about them and other sorts of new devices, and am attempting to learn more. I'm coming from a mostly mac classic background, but I have used windows as well, but I switched years ago. I first started using DOS in the 80's and can honestly say I never liked copmmand line, my brain doesn't work that way, I can think in pictures/concepts easier, ie "GUI" interface, that's why I switched to mac classic first time I used one. I'm trying linux now based on what I had heard about it, to whit, it could run on older slower but still functional machines. latest releases of both apple and intel world machines I just cannot afford, that's my personal bottom line, I just don't make that much money, that's reality. I'ver gotten ahold of some older i86 machines and are using them, some I fix and give away, some I fix and sell for the cost of the parts I have in them, so that people with limited budgets can have 'a computer". that is what I offer to 'the community". but to repeat, I am not a coder, and saw linux as away to put an operating system inexpensively on these machines. My personal machine I'm keeping only has a small hard drive, but it works OK. the machine itself although several years old was "new in the box" literally and I got it really cheap.
I was posting an honest sort of "review" of my experience with both mandrake, and rh 7.1 and 7.2, which is all I have used so far. From someone coming from a non professional background, my personal observations and experience learning/trying to learn/ trying to use linux in other words, so I was a good example for the parent post I replied to. I'm on a linux machine right now. I qualify as a joe average home user newbie, and that doesn't automagically make me a "troll". I'm semi retired, don't make a lot but can pay my bills and have a very small amount left over, which I usually put into computer stuff as I like this as a hobby. I had some legit questions and observations, that's about IT. I have a background in other technical matters that aren't "computer", that's where my primary interests over the years have been, and they are varied. I'd say not counting power tools I have around half a ton of just hand tools for example, and I can use them. If you count power tools I have many tons of them, tons as in thousands of lbs. None of these things-my other interests and what I have done professionally and still do very part time even ever come up on this forum, so there's no posts from me about them. I've done a lot of mechanical repairs on engines large and small, from single cyclinder two strokes to custom 4 stroke small racing engines, built elaborate and expensive custom furniture and cabinets, constructed and built a lot of homes and additions, operated large farms as a general manager, owned and run a bicycle shop a long time ago, worked as a gunsmith, and etc. I currently am learning a lot more about alternate energy, and maintain a huge personal solar installation, probably the largest for this state I am in in this general region. It is quite sophisticated. In fact, when it comes to alternate energy, something a LOT more useful than your fucking video games, "Mine is a lot bigger than yours" when it comes to this technical amount of hardware and knowledge, GUAR-AN-FUCKING TEED it is.
Assholes like you here brag about your latest video card and how elite you are playing childish childrens games. childish, immature, resource wasting bread and circuses jack off games. Or how cool it is to have the latest lcd screen PDA which basically is mostly a waste of electrons. YOU and people like you are the idiots and trolls and a drag on the planet earth, despite touting "open source" or whatever your favorite 'distro" is, which anotyher thing, that word "distro" is about as faggy as you can get. Must be too hard to just say "distribution"..
SO FUCKING SORRY none of that applies to slashdot or linux. I enjoy learning new things, this is fun for me, I have problems still but I expected that, what isn't fun is dealing with teenage or older punk masturbators who feel so superior on slashdot because they can hack into some poor person's windows machine or know some obscure coding language. And I get labeled as a troll? I also don't like the linux community in general "fuck you" attitude to newbies, as your post was and as I have seen on other linux forums when attempting to find out the answers to something. My post had a lot of "why's?" in it because they are legitimate querstions I have. I have yet to find out why I need a swap partiton when the same thing can be done on other computers just with ram. I hardly ever have used "virtual memory" on computers, I have found for my purposes that ram was sufficient. It's faster and cheaper in the long run to add more ram. I've taken ancient mac computers and figured out how to run a complete surfing/browser experience entirely inside a ramdisk. This is "cool" I guess, getting almost new machine surfing performance out of 25 mghz machines. That was one of my questions I had, the swap partition, and the wasted megs of space in this "boot" partition that are just sitting there unused and probably never used from a default redhat install. I have a lot more, but just simple things like "why are there 500 apps in an install but only a few dozen show up in the desktop menu, where the fuck are they" are LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS.
Red Hat usually releases upgrades about four times per year. It varies, depending on how the development goes. Frequently the release cycle is roughly March, June, September, December. There is a lot of variability in the cycle though. Possibly they have been slowing down toward 3 releases per year.
I'm not really sure what the Mandrake cycle is, or whether they are even that regular. They could time their releases to match significant changes in KDE.
Both of them have already upgraded this year. So have many other distributions. Even Debian is coming close to an upgrade, and they tend to have the slowest cycle (though you can get on the unstable tree and run at the bleeding edge if you want to).
I'm sorry if you are feeling impatient to move faster, but things are really moving at about as fast a clip as is safe already. Perhaps a little faster (even the major distributions don't always do enough testing before a release).
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
http://dillo.cipsga.org.br/m ff.cuni.cz/~clock/twibright/l inks
http://atrey.karlin.
What's wrong with those!?
These are good questions. These are the type of questions that a lot of experiences Linux advocates forget about or ignore.
/bin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, and all those other 'bin' [binary] directories you have. I wouldn't suggest just sitting down and going through them all unless you have a LOT of time, but searching through the 'man' and 'info' pages are how you can learn a lot about your system.
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Linux Documentation Project is a wonderful place to find answers.
Well, I'm not going to be able to give a lot of very specific answers to everything here, but this should help. I would first point you to your local Linux Users Group (LUG), if there is one. I've found that there's almost always someone in the group who can help me. It's one of the closest things to true tech support the Linux community has. Chech out http://linux.com/usergroups.pl to find one nearby. You should also do a google search since not every LUG is listed.
Many of the packages you see in gnorpm are libraries or applications that run only via the command line. Only a few of these are GUI applications you'll actually see under one of your menus. Now you may think that's a LOT of libraries and system utilities, but (from a Windows point of view) if you ever check out all that's in your C:\WINDOWS folder or C:\WINNT folder, you'll find all sorts of stuff you never seem to use (that doesn't make them unnecessary though!). I've been using Linux coming on two years now and it's only been in the last couple of months that I feel I really start to know what the different core packages are and what they do. And this is after doing many many installs of Linux. A good way to 'explore' what you've got is to check out the 'man' pages for the applications you find under
You're 'boot' partition is where the libaries and programs that start up your computer reside. This partition in general does NOT have to be very large. Space is usually given on the boot partition if you what to do some configuration and cusomization. Try reading http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Partition/partitio
As for the swap space, check out http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Swap-Space.html and also: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Partition/partitio
Linux still has a horrid learning curve to it. While some love that (I for one), it's a rough climb for many. Learning about your system and about linux is a process of doing exactly what you did here--ask questions, participate in the community. And eventually, you'll get the hang of it.
As of Linux for Joe User, I would say we're getting close, very close, but there will always be more to do.
Who said Freedom was Fair?
Jaguar has these features (my favorites are bold):
Quartz Extreme - Hardware-accelerated Quartz engine, faster interface, Quartz Compositor (and apparently in newer builds, even more things) powered through OpenGL on GPU on powerful enough cards.
Rendezvous - Brings simplicity of AppleTalk to TCP/IP networking. Automatic detection of computers over TCP/IP.
Rendezvous-aware iTunes - share music libraries over network (Airport streaming, etc.)
FreeBSD 4.4 equivalency
GCC 3.x compiler - system speedup as result
Ink - Handwriting recognition built in to the system.
iChat - Fully compatible AOL Instant Messaging client.
Quicktime 6
Spring-loaded folders
Minimize windows to the Dock or to floating mini-windows
Change Desktop picture after specified time period
Desktop Picture changer fades between images like screensaver does
CUPS Printing system
Printer sharing
Internet Connection sharing (Airport Software Base Station on steroids)
Firewall control in System Preferences
New Menu Extras (Bluetooth File Sharing, Eject, etc.)
Bluetooth File Exchange app
Audio/MIDI Setup app
New System Preferences for "Digital Hub" (control of DV Camcorders, digital still cameras, audio CDs, blank CDs, iPods, etc. etc.)
Many improved System Preferences
System Preferences can be viewed by category (as in OS X 10.1) or by alphabetical order (as in OS X 10.0)
Developers can now use Brushed Metal interface appearance
Control of font sizes in the Finder
Display icon labels below or to the side of icons
Forward button in additon to back in Finder
New "Small Icons" option for app toolbars
Vastly upgraded Preview - new thumbnail drawer, new toolbar, etc.
Support for scanners in Image Capture
Beefed-up contextual menus
Vastly improved Calculator - brushed metal appearance, "paper tape" drawer, full Scientific mode, convert units
New Sherlock 3 - no longer does file searching. Internet only. Features new
"channels" like Watson - Internet search, Movies, Pictures, Yellow Pages, News, Stocks, Flights, Package tracking, Dictionary, Translation, and AppleCare Knowledge Base search. Brushed metal appearance.
New Find dialog in finder - search with multiple rules, etc.
New Search box in Finder toolbar - enter search terms and results are displayed in the current Finder window with a split view
Vastly improved Address Book
Improved Mail - much more robust Rules support, intelligent Spam filter, better performance, interface tweaks, consolidate multiple accounts into one Inbox, etc. etc.
System Sounds are back - sounds for removing from Dock, Trash operations, loggin in/out, iChat, system, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
New Zoom Windows - opening folders, etc. gives Quartz-smoothed "zooming window" effect like Scale Dock option
Vastly improved Show Info - Command+I opens individual Show Info windows (as in OS 9), with many more options, improved Permissions control, etc. Command+Option+I opens dynamic single Show Info window as in OS X 10.1.
Vastly improved Networking in Finder, vastly improved Windows sharing.
VPN support in Mail, etc.
Exchange support in Mail
Improved Finder (better multithreading)
Support for more systems in DVD Player
Can take screenshots of DVD Player
When using "snap to grid" in the Finder, files and folders will smoothly slide into place.
Ability to turn off Preview in column mode.
Application icon added to lower right corner of minimized windows to aide in differentiating them.
Spoken Interface option in Speech Preferences
Improved Disk Copy
Improved Apple System Profiler
New Aqua interface ("flatter" buttons etc)
The amount of antialiasing can be controlled (4 levels)
Subpixel rendering on LCDs
A removed user's home directory is saved as a disk image.
Netbooting
More info under the filename, like ID3-tags, size of images and number of files in folders - Examples: Display Hard Drive total/remaining space under name on desktop HD icon, display Track Length of MP3 files under file name in Finder windows.
Minimize in place of windows.
"Poof" sound effect when removing from Dock
Screensaver "Slideshow" is improved, can download images from the 'net.
Anti-aliased mouse pointer with shadow.
Connect to FTP in the Finder
More man-pages.
Spellcheck in 10+ languages.
Python, TCL och Ruby included
Account features, quotas
No lines in the Dock
Better Terminal: new Inspector, scrollback in split windows full UNICODE support
Mail integrated with iChat. Can run AppleScript based on the new files
Address book can send SMS, control global variables in system?
Translation in Sherlock
Net installation
Can run AppleScript when new Digital Hub devices appear (drives, CDs, cameras...)
Disable trackpad when inserting mouse (optional)
Black-and-White screen (Universal Access)
All network activity (FTP, SSH, SMB etc) controlled from sharing, integrated with firewall
Classic programs will store settings in the users' folder, not OS 9 Preferences
Can see memory reqs of all Classic programs, even background.
Services in context-menu
New menu for PC-Card support (like the Eject menu).
Clean install option in Installer.
It's the programming language for Bell Lab's (you know, the original Unix people) Inferno embedded O/S.
--thanks for the decent reply! I appreciate it and will save it to disk!
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1024x768"
(This is on XFree86-4.2.0-8.)
No Apache at all! No 2.0. Not even 1.3.x !?
I don't use RedHat(tm), so I can't answer some of you r questions specifically, but these should be useful pointers:
/etc/fstab to include noatime in the fourth column. For example, here is my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults,noatime 1 1 /dev/pts devpts gid=5,mode=620 0 0 /proc proc defaults 0 0
/. all day every day, (I am a freelance programmer, without enough contracts!).
Security:
I highly recommend that you read some on-line documentation about network security. There is absolutely no reason at all for your machine to offer any services to the outside world. I suggest that you set up a firewall to deny all access to ports up to 1023, if you are not running a server. Then you can install various server applications and use them locally for educational purposes. If you log packets that are being denied, don't be suprised when you get lots of attempts to access various ports and servers.
Swap partition
IGNORE THIS ADVICE:
"You should set your swap partition to X, where X is double the amount of physical RAM".
That advice is COMPLETELY INACCURATE.
The VM system in Linux has changed a lot, so there is no one 'rule' anyway.
Linus DID say at one point that for the VM system to work efficiently, that you should either have no swap space, or at least double the amount of RAM. Personally, I have 128 megs of RAM, and no swap partition. My system works fine. My 4 Mb RAM laptop has a 20 Mb swap partition, and my 8 Mb RAM laptop has a 16 Mb swap partition. If you have over 200 megs of RAM, I suggest you do not have a swap partition at all.
General suggestions
To get a bit of extra performance out of your system, why not try mounting your partitions with no access time updating - this means that every time you read a file on disk, a write doesn't occur to record the date and time you read the file. This can increase performance significantly. Just modify your
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Anyway, let us know how you get on, and if you need more help just ask, as I browse
I am currently running Limbo after my second fresh install. The first one I did to give Gnome2 a spin, and boy did it Suck. I had tried Gnome2 betas and they weren't that great, but I had to give Gnome2 final a spin to see if anything changed.
First problem was I installed sawfish and metacity. If you install both, metacity takes preference. So I uninstall metacity and try to find a way to use sawfish. Well I found a setting for window manager in gconf_editor, but it had no effect. Finally after doing a few searchs on Google I found you just manually run the window manager and make sure the session gets saved on exit(Lame). So I tried Sawfish for a little bit and it isn't too bad, but is missing viewports and many other features I require. So I install Enlightenment and find I need to recompile it. So I recompile it, install, and run it. It runs, but Gnome2 and Enlightenment 0.16.5 don't get along. First the panel isn't sticky across viewports. Second the panel becomes very resistant to unhiding. Three Enlightenment's viewport hotkeys go wacko. After reinstalling Limbo and replacing Gnome2 with Gnome1(remarkably not that hard of a thing to do, tho will require some recompiling to get near perfect) unsurpisingly enough Enlightenment 0.16.5 and Gnome1 work great together under Limbo.
Another problem with Gnome2 is the lack of settings. You may have heard of they just hide all the settings in Gconf, NOT! After looking through gconf_editor I can tell you, yes, there are a few settings in gconf_editor that aren't normally visible, but not nearly as many as were in preference panels in Gnome1.
Then there is the stupid stuff like when you go to change a panel's type. You can't change a panel's type. You must make a new panel, configure it how you want, and then move everything over. In Gnome1 you would just turn a edge panel into an aligned panel, and then move it where you wanted it.
Yet another problem was the lack of a gtk1 theme selector. In Limbo the Majority of the the applications are still gtk1(Xchat, xmms, galeon, gaim, etc).
There is the inconsistant Cancel/OK mess. Gnome1 uses OK/Cancel and Yes/No, Gnome2 uses the silly reversed Cancel/OK and No/Yes. Sawfish2 uses OK/Cancel.
Havoc Penington, the bane of my Linux desktop.
What is glibc 2.2.90? Something like gcc 2.96??
when can I expect that XFS journaling filesystem is included in this distribution? or do I have to move to gentoo?
likewise, I'm amazed that they removed jikes. The speed difference between it and the regular jdk javac is required.
xdaliclock would be another disappointing removal. what does it hurt? such a cool and useful screensaver.
jason
Since the Limbo is also a dance, I bet that the next Red Hat release will be codenamed something like Mambo or (dare I say it) Macarena? ;-)
cpeterso
If glibc is going to break compatibility for its next version, I think the glibc maintainers should consider removing functions which KNOWN SECURITY RISKS, such as gets(), strcpy(), strcat(), sprintf(), and friends. There are safer alternatives, such as strncpy(), strncat(), and snprintf(). If glibc removes risky functions, then application writers will be forced to improve their applications by use safer functions and coding practices. Shouldn't known "best practises" be encouraged by the libraries we use as the foundation of our software?
Unfortunately, even some of those "safe" functions can be difficult to use safely. OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Solaris libc libraries include strlcpy() and strlcat(). Theo de Raadt co-wrote an insightful paper about these new functions: strlcpy and strlcat - consistent, safe, string copy and concatenation . Why does glibc insist on not supporting these safer alternatives?
If removing these risky functions is too controversial, then glibc could use a transitional approach. Move the risky functions' prototypes into a separate header file. Name it something scary like "unsafe.h", "securityrisk.h" or "bufferoverflow.h". Application writers who are too lazy to fix their use of risky functions, can simply #include "bufferoverflow.h".
cpeterso
I hope that DVD sized images become more widespread. (Kudos to the distributions that use them now.)
I also hope that soon DVD(+/-)RW drives are available at a price comparable that of CD-RW drives.
Wouldn't it be better if they waited until they had major improvements before they released a distribution? I buy my CDs from the store, and this is ridiculus! Every 6 months I upgrade and there isn't that much difference.
Make it much better and release it as version 8. Get the new GCC in there, and make it support more processors and throw in StarOffice for the price you charge for the Distro.
the default gtk1 font sucks and there is no easy way to change it in gnome2
I hope that the next Redhat distro is out before I start me next semiester at Rutgers University.
Welcome to the land of the free...pay toll ahead...no photography...please open your bag...
Generally because Linuxconf wasn't stable. It would often eat hand edited configuration files (though that improved with time), and had a nasty tendency of asking you to perform actions that weren't necessary to make your changes take effect (eg, wanting to postfix when you made a change to samba) with no logical explanation. The system also seemed to want to perform actions necessary for changes to take effect two or more times before it would let you quit.
Anyone out there from Red Hat listening? If so, why not put the important stuff on CD1, & have something next to the packages saying which CD they are on? Or even making it possible to install from CD 1 & if there's anything you selected that wasn't on the CD, you can download it after the initial install?
foo & & bar &#bogus1 baz AT&T 1234567890abcdefghijklmnopqrst09876543211234567890 .foobar
The name just kills me. Kills me!
It reminds me of an electronic design package from Innoveda - the software is named BetaSoft. BetaSoft! Hah! It's a released product! I'm dying here!
Limbo! Ho-hooo! "How's the project going?" "It's in Limbo."
"A generation which ignores history has no past and no future." -- Robert Heinlein
The changelog doesn't mention it but maybe you'd know: Does 7.3's or newer up2date show currently installed version in addition to newly available version?
Reason I ask is that I prefer Red Carpet in 7.2 for updates (I did the go-gnome thing). But Red Carpet is updated less often and without kernel updates (and doesn't have upgrade advisories easily available), and up2date doesn't warn that it's going to overwrite a ximian rpm with a non-ximian rpm.
Copyrights, Patents, Trademarks: temporary loans from the Public Domain, not real property ("intellectual" or otherwise)
I have tried some of the patch collections for 2.4. They are made by fairly random people, so I think it should be about as stable as alpha releases. After it locked up hard three times when I did some serious stress tests (yeah, the mouse suddenly stops moving, and absolutely nothing appears in the logs), I returned to a safe kernel version and have never been in a good enough mood to meddle with kernels since then. After all, my machine has crashed about 6 times altogether in linux during the past three years, so every crash makes my heart faint.