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Extra Scenes in FotR Special Edition DVD
gdr writes "Lights Out Entertainment have an article on the extra scenes that will be in the Fellowship of the Ring special edition DVD. It will be nice to have the relationship between elves and dwarves fleshed out a bit. I'm not sure the final battle scene really needs to be any longer." There are quite a few bits mentioned for the extra 30
minutes of footage that I'm looking forward to seeing. Just be careful to
buy the November 12 release and not the august release if you want the extra
mojo. I'll be waiting.
Will they have more minute-long shots of them walking? I really don't think their was enough in the original version.
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He knows I won't be able to resist the lure of the August release, particularly when I see the display in the window of Sam Goody. Although I want to be strong, want to wait for the November release, we all know it's not going to happen. I'm going to buy both. And I'll hate myself for it.
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I heard the battlescene that was supposed to be extended was the battle with Sauron at the beginning. I heard it was to be, not only elongated, but a lot more gory, giving the movie an "R" rating.
This is just heresay, though.
Good quote, too many chars. Seriously, the slashdot 120 char limit sucks!
While some films benefit to an extent (Aliens being one), on the whole most of the "extra" material was usually cut because it adds nothing to the film anyway. If I like a film I'll buy the DVD regardless of the extra footage. I think behind-the-scenes material is often more important, although it's usually something you'll only watch once anyway.
Any DVDs that force me to watch adverts are taken straight back for a refund as "broken" by the way - hopefully other people do this as well...
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Waiting? Hell, I'm going to be buying both releases. Sure will beat the cheap divx ;) version running around the net.
I just can't wait for the protest rallies against the Two Towers!
I am glad this wasn't made into one of the inane, witless summer movies we in the U.S. have been subjected to all season. The book and material was treated with respect and dignity, with the core concepts and philosophy of Tolkien's works left intact. I, personally, would have watched (many times) a blow by blow, scene by scene translation of the book into film, but I don't think such a treatment would have been successful, commercially. All in all, PJ made the right decisions about what to keep, what to change, and what to discard entirely (Bombadil).
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Actually, all the extra stuff thats coming out on the first Lord of the Rings DVD is NOT going to be on the huge November one. So if you are a hardcore fan, you need to get both. Over on www.moviepoopshoot.com they interviewed the guy creating both DVDs, and he said that they are doing this for a reason. True hardcore fans will get both sets to view ALL the extras. In other words, they have a shitload of stuff that people can see, and they will milk all the money out of us fans as they can get.
You should have listened to what Homer said on The Simpsons DVD FAQ page... ;-)
"Versatile" discs are no different from a regular disc. They just put the word "versatile" on so they can charge more.
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I'm holding out for the 24-Disc box set of the trilogy when they release it in 2007. $395 might sound like a lot of money, but it will probably take a month to watch it all, so that's a lot of entertainment! I'm looking forward to the full 10-hour commentary tracks by each member of the Fellowship, Bilbo, Gollum, Mojo Jojo, Liv Tyler, Natalie Portman, the director, the producer, and the key grip. Wooooooooo!
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I was extremely glad they cut out the Tom Bombadil scenes from the book. It was the most boring and meaningless section of the entire trilogy and it would have died on screen. Seeing the hobbits get sucked in by the trees would be neat, but I can live without that.
I think I'll rent Fellowship when it comes out in August and then buy it in November. It's a great movie and one of the best book to movie adaptations I've ever seen.
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> It will be nice to have the relationship between elves and dwarves fleshed out a bit.
d00d! I don't think that's the kind of cut scenes they're talking about!
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I preordered them both. But it's ok, I can quit anytime.
Read the story to find out the difference. There is a url in the main story.
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It may take only one ring to rule them all, but it takes four disks to watch it.
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Man, I've spoken to crack fiends who sound more self-empowered with respect to their vices. :)
... I mean, shit, where's the self control?
.. I wanna hear how somebody can justify that kind of sentiment. And how does this factor into the power of the boycott when consumers themselves admit being unable to control their spending habits?
Personally, I have very little respect for the franchise slut. It's one thing to be a fan, but to flat out say, "I dont want to buy two, but I know I will cave and do it."
This isn't flamebait
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EXCLUSIVE: Fellowship Of The Ring Special Edition DVD pictures & info! Find out what's in that extra 30 minutes!!!
Sunday, July 7, 2002 2:37AM PDT - by Brian
We've got some exclusive pictures and information on what will be included on the special extended 4-disc edition of Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring DVD hitting store shelves November 12th!
Here's what we found out from our friends at Newline:
On November 12th, 2002 Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring will be released as a 4-disc special extended edition DVD which will integrate approximately 30 minutes of extra footage never-before seen, into the original theatrical release. Check out some exclusive info we found about about what's being included:
What can viewers expect from the 3 and a half hour immersion into Middle Earth??? WE'VE GOT THE ANSWERS!!! Here's what's to be expected...check out the stills!!! (Click to enlarge)
Galadriel's Gif-Giving Scene. As the elves prepare to leave Lothlorien, Elf Queen Galadriel bestows a special gift upon each of the nine members of the Fellowship.
Bilbo Baggins writing a journal entry entitled "Concerning Hobbits," which serves as a history of the Hobbits and their bucolic lifestyle.
A new introduction of loyal Hobbit Sam Gamgee.
More footage from the Green Dragon Inn, with Peregrin "Pippin" Took, and Meriadoc "Merry" Brandybuck happily singing Hobbit songs.
Sam & Frodo witnessing the stately Exodus of the Elves on the road to Bree.
Aragorn singing an Elvish ballad that adds back story to the implications of his love for Arwen
Aragorn beside his mother's grave in Rivendell.
An extended sequence of the Fellowship's departure from Rivendell.
Pre-battle scenes in the Mines Of Moria, explaining how the dwarves came to be in the mines.
Character material delving into the complicated relationship between elves and dwarves.
Additional footage from the Fellowship's climatic battle scene.
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Composer Howard Shore has returned with his Academy Award winning score and recorded 50 minutes of new music with the London Philharmonic for the special extended edition set!
Weta Digital has returned and contributed all new effects shots for the deleted scenes.
In addition to the 3 and a half hour feature, presented on 2 discs, the set will include 2 MORE discs packed with features not on the August release of the disc! This is includes production team commentaries, production documentaries, & interactive featurettes covering the film adaptation from "book to vision" and "from vision to reality"!
Probably 'suspended' because they didn't want to get spanked by the slashdot effect.
What?
Am I the only one who thinks they could have spent
2 more minutes talking about the 'Sword Of Elendil'? They show the sword in the preface cutting the hand of Sauron, and then they show Boromir doing his 'Still Sharp(e)' shtick. I think a quick scene with Elrond presenting the re-forged sword 'Anduril' to Aragorn would have been a worthy plot addition ('The sword that was broken goes to war'). To me, its part of the 'Aragorn claims his birthright' story within the story.
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Fortuitous that they call themselves "LightsOut Entertainment" only to suffer from a good slashdotting after posting a LOTR article.
Given the cost of renting movies at Blockbuster, that deal doesn't sound too bad anyways, even if you end up using the first dvd as a frisbee
It's stupid marketing tactics like this that help cause widespread piracy. Releasing "special editions" they will trigger a simple buyers tactic.
;-) rip.
Lots of people on this board are mentioning how they cannot resist the August release, and will likely buy both. On the otherhand, how many of these people will in fact say "fuck it" and not hit the stores to get the August release, but rather hit Gnutella? People don't want to double their costs to get 30 minutes of extra footage, so they will end up buying the movie once. That once will be the November release. In the meantime, they'll settle for a high quality DiVX
Then, the MPAA will bitch and moan about how they're so fucked by piracy. Meanwhile, they were the catalyst by teasing the consumers.
Why bother.
It will be nice to have the relationship between elves and dwarves fleshed out a bit Sure if you're into that kind of thing... Elves and dwarves in the flesh! Must be the scenes dropped to keep it from an R rating...
I've read reports that state that the extras found on the first (2-disc) release will not be available on the second (4-disc) release, and vice versa. Hell, the 4-disc version won't even contain the theatrical version of the movie, but (from what I've read) the 30-minute extended version only. So I'm planning on buying both anyway.
For those of you who see this as purely a money grab, it's not. Look at the other options New Line had:
New Line did their best to give its customers a choice and opportunity to get what they want.
AJS
Didn't this happen in the book? Doesn't Frodo offer the ring to all three of the bearers of the elven (elvish?) rings even though he doesn't know that they are ring-bearers? Doesn't it seem like this is an important detail that has been left out? He certainly offers it to the other two in the movie. Some would argue that he offers it to Aragorn as well, though I think he was asking if Aragorn would take it by force. In any case it didn't strike me as an offer as much as a query.
The council of Elrond was the one part of the movie that I didn't care for. I am not sure why this was. Maybe because in the context of the movie you don't know who the participants are.
Anyhow, imagine Agent Smith with two rings of power! Both his own ring and the one ring. I am sure that he would beat up on Keanu if he had both of them.
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I'm really looking forward to the addition of the footage they shot of Steven Tyler and Aerosmith as the elf Gildor and his companions moving into the West....
I believe the scene was cut due to Tyler's complaining that in the end, it was "just too Zeppelin" for them.
Rumors also of a Gildor-singing-to-a-weeping-Arwen number ala the Armageddon music video... Wow, I mean I could barely control myself the first time, how am I supposed to even begin to do so now? Gonna make sure I've got plenty of tissues for that one...
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For the people complaining about Tom Bombadil, he wasn't really NEEDED in a movie version. The enigma of Tom is that he represented the *reader*. He was a safety net of sorts for the reader, a character of goodness who could remained unharmed by the evils in Middle-earth, even from Sauron et al.
Here is a great analysis of Tom
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Methinks you need a humor-o-meter, here.
Otherwise, Ms. Portman, naked and petrified, played bit parts in numerous scenes. Most notable was her 'falling rock' part in the stair scene during the Balrog attack. Some of her other scenes were largely covered by vegetation, so I guess they would only qualify as petrified.
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Pan and Scan? Ugh, the mere thought of watching the golden brainchild of PJ on the screen in a dibilitating format like Pan & Scan inspires my gastrointestinal track to display a scene of impressive disgust.
If you are thinking about buying this film and haven't seen it yet (what are the chances?), please, please.....make sure you get the Letterboxed format (widescreen). It's good for you, it's good for the world. This is not one of those movies that will look good any other way.br>
The Mines of Moria in P&S? I shudder.
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C'mon, people. Yell about the MPAA all week until they have a movie you want to watch and then you don't even ask why the "special edition" features aren't on the "regular" edition. SUCKERS!
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i disagree...i like option #3...under option #4, i have to buy 2 seperate packages to get everything...the "regular" release should be a sub-set of the "special" release...if you use option #3, there should be no bitching as long as you know *ahead of time* (as we do here) that there will be a regular and a special edition...that way, the people who just want the movie and aren't hard-core fans can just buy the regular theatrical version...meanwhile, those who are hardcore fans, can buy the more costly special edition, and not miss anything from the regular release...the way new line is doing is with different bonus material over the two sets is nothing more then a way to make more money off the movie...cause they know hard-core fans want everything, and will probably buy both sets...
so, basically let's see, if i want *everything* from the entire series i'll probably have to buy FOTR regular, FOTR special edition, TT regular, TT special ed., ROTK regular, ROTK special ed., then probably a box set special edition of all 3 movies...i'll end up having like 25+ lord of the rings DVDs by the time i'm through...jeez, that's out of hand...i'll need a special storage unit just for them..
atleast that's one thing Lucas is doing right with the original star wars trilogy...he could easily release eps 4,5,6 on DVD right now, just as they are...then re-release another DVD speical edition later...but instead they're gonna work on the DVD, and anything he wants to change, and any special feautres...that's the way to do it...not release version after version...
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For those of you who want to be "franchise sluts" but don't want to pay twice, go take a Kia for a test drive and get the theatrical copy for free!
KIA Partners With The Lord Of The Rings
"Individuals who test-drive the new Kia Sorento or any Kia model between August and October, 2002 will receive by mail a free copy of the "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring" home video or DVD courtesy of Kia."
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I have a feeling they may have been saving the Sword of Anduril bit for The Two Towers... you know, when he actually goes to war.
I could be wrong, it's just a hunch.
Doesn't this imply that the full "collection" will be at least 12 DVDs? . . . Is this set going to retail around $200 or so?
The Extended Edition can be pre-ordered on Amazon for $25.99. So I assume that you'll be able to get four disc sets of each film of th trilogy for a total just under $80.
Of course, if you really, really must have every edition available, you could get the Gift Set version of each film, plus a likely compendium complete trilogy gift pack edition, which at around $60 each for each film and maybe $100 plus for the trilogy could set you back over $300, but I expect there is a lot of repeated footage included and the only possible reason to buy all of them is for collecting and not actual viewing. For example the only additional footage available in the FotR gift set is on the National Geographic DVD which can be bought seperately for $21.49 the additional $11.50 cost is for figurines and gift cards. And since the National Geographic disc is in full screen format, I don't think it is for cinemaphiles. Just lots of pics of New Zealand.
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I will be purchasing both versions of the movie, if for no other reason than I want to see the version of Fellowship that I saw in the theater.
While I am glad there will be some extra footage and other good stuff added to the November disc, I have been disappointed by "special editions" in the past. The Phantom Menace DVD, for instance (save your wisecracks), adds a lot of footage that I don't care for -- and there's no way to see the version I saw in the theater, save watching it on VHS (which I shouldn't have to do after shelling out the cash I did for the DVD).
Similarly, the Aliens Special Edition adds a lot of footage that's cool, but I feel it mars the pacing of the film and isn't necessary -- but there's no option to get rid of it and watch the film in its original form. (Unlike, for example, the Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition, which has an option to watch both versions.)
I have very fond memories of watching Fellowship in the theater, and while I am excited about the prospect of new footage, I don't really know what it's going to entail or how good it's going to be. And I want to be able to recreate the theater experience if I want to -- so I will be purchasing both, just in case.
If it turns out I have no use for the first DVD after November, I can always give it away or sell it on the cheap. It's less than the cost of one evening dining out. No big deal.
I'll be buying all 12 edition that will eventually be released...
1. FotR standard issue (Aug 02)
2. FotR Deluxe issue (Dec 02)
3. FotR/TT standard issue (Aug 03)
4. FotR/TT Deluxe Box set (Dec 03)
5. 3DVD standard issue box set (Aug 04)
6. 6DVD Deluxe box set (Dec 04)
7. 8DVD Super Deluxe Box Anniversary edition with poster of Arwen in sexy pose (best seller). (Aug 05)
8. 10DVD Super Duper Deluxe Box Post Anniversary Christmas edition with plush Frodo and Sam as Santa and helper elf edition (other PC holiday editions available) (Dec 06)
9. The Hobbit DVD release (Aug 07)
10. The Whole Sebang (9&10) Platinum boxed edition with cloth map of Middle Earth. (Dec 07)
11. The Whole Sebang on the new Holographic Cellular media discs (they're right around the corner, right?) with special talking Gandalf christmas tree ornament (other PC friendly designs available)(Dec 08)
12. The Whole Shebang 20th Anniversary edition including new digitally created interview with Tolkien in holographic simulation and Arwen Poster reprint.(Aug 21)
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If you're going to buy both the theatrical and special editions, then you also need to buy The Fellowship of the Ring - Turnip Edition.
This consists of an entirely and lovingly blank DVD disc with "LotR - Turnip" carefully written on it in exquisite marker pen by a skilled writer (me). It is an extremely limited edition, there being only one - and it's YOURS for the bargain, once-only price of $500!
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Not MAKE any special features and just release the same movie in the theaters that they release on DVD. Because that's the latest craze, every DVD has to have special features. Wow a cast biography and behind the scenes photos. Uhm, how underwhelming.
I can't believe that they can't just allow the user to set an option to watch either the theatrical version or the extended version. We're talking about DVD here not VHS.
I'm watching my James Bond "The World is not Enough" DVD, a little icon flashes in the upper right hand corner, I press a button on my remote. Bingo, I get to see extra behind the scenes footage. Why not make the DVD with an option to turn on all the extra footage? Then release all the "Behind the scenes" extras on a separate DVD for $19.95 US? The people that want to watch the theatrical release can, the people that want to watch the full movie with the extras can.
Because they want to suck as much money out of us as they can. I doubt that, for me at least, there will be anything extra on the first release that I'll care about so now I'll be waiting for the 2nd one.
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I'm debating on putting off buying EITHER of the upcoming releases. I can't help but believe that once all three movies have come out that there will be the "Complete Lord Of The Rings Boxed Set" with all the stuff you'll already have plus 2-4 dics of never-before-seen footage and extras and such, along with a collector's box, 100-page booklet, etc, etc... making any earlier purchases a waste of my money.
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I'm really looking forward to the full three movies shown as a whole, with extra material thrown in. Maybe in 2004-5. This is doable because all most of the human filming was done at one time. Jackson has already taken some liberties with re-arranging the books chronology for better dramatic filming. He could also make a "kosher cut" to follow the books as closely as possible with the film material. I'd expect the combined cut to be a 12 hout miniseries.
Jackson has reportedly altered the Anduril plotline in order to extend the "Aragorn's birthright' subplot more evenly through the films. From what I've seen in various rumor reports, Narsil will be reforged in TTT or RoTK, most likely at Arwen's insistence. This plot change would provide a plausible reason for Arwen's character to appear in the second movie if it happens in TTT (some of the brief scenes in the TTT trailer seem to reinforce this). My guess is that it will be delivered to him before the battle of Helm's Deep. A group of Elves from Lorien take part (and sacrifice their lives) in the battle. I would hazard another guess that they're the ones who deliver Anduril to Aragorn, possibly replacing the sons of Elrond and the Rangers who arrive after the battle in the book.
Here's a question, how is Jackson going to get rid of Gandalf so that the Hobbits have to deal with "The Scouring of the Shire" on their own . . . ?
huh? not sure what you mean here...in the book Gandalf basically just tells them that he won't be going back to the Shire with them...and i believe he makes some reference to the fact that the they'll have to deal with anything that's going on there themselves...why would it be any different in the movie???
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What the hell would she be doing giving commentary for LotR?
Dude, same reason for the Britney Spears commentary on disc 22 - because she's h0t!
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I think there's tons of stuff you just wouldn't understand if you didn't read the book.
My Mom borrowed my copy of the Hobbit, just for background information, before seeing the movie. She won't take on the LOTR, but it was a good introduction for the movie.
At least she understood that LOTS of time was passing. What in the movie seemed to take a month or so was like six or seven. You just didn't get that from the movie, but she understood it having read the Hobbit.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
the fallacy here is that he's considering slashdot a single entity. are the people that say "i'm never buying a dvd again" the same people that drool over the latest dvds in these threads? doubtful.
if you find somebody who contradicts themselves like that, then rather than accusing all of slashdot of hiporcisy, respond to the specific post, and cite the previous post. don't assume that everybody thinks the same way, and accuse these mythical thought patters of self-contradiction.
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According to IMDB, the original cut "ran four hours and thirty minutes." If this is truely the case, I'd like to get my hands on all of that extra footage and see what else we missed. Sure would be nice if Tom Bombadil was in there somewhere.
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you're right...i had forgotten about the "Digitally Remastered" versions"...i was only thinking about the "original" and the "special edition" when i posted...yeah, so i guess they did milk some with eps 4,5,6 already...atleast they were only VHS, and didn't cost as much as DVD...
which brings up another good point...did Lucas start all this "special edition" insanity when he re-released eps 4,5,6 to the theaters, and in VHS form as the "sepcial edition"...i can't remember it being widespread before that...
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Well whoopty fucking do.
So there I was in Blockbuster Friday, preordering a copy of the August release. I was a happy guy, I even got a cool poster with it.
Now I see this! Damn you evil movie studio! You were watching weren't you? You know I just spent $28 on the first release and you are also probably just as secure in the knowledge that I will spend the money again on the SE. BASTARDS!
The Extended Edition can be pre-ordered on Amazon for $25.99. So I assume that you'll be able to get four disc sets of each film of the trilogy for a total just under $80.
Of course, if you really, really must have every edition available, you could get the Gift Set version of each film, plus a likely compendium complete trilogy gift pack edition, which at around $60 each for each film and maybe $100 plus for the trilogy could set you back over $300, but I expect there is a lot of repeated footage included and the only possible reason to buy all of them is for collecting and not actual viewing. For example the only additional footage available in the FotR gift set is on the National Geographic DVD which can be bought separately for $21.49 the additional $11.50 cost is for
figurines and gift cards. And since the National Geographic disc is in full screen format, I don't think it is for cinemaphiles. Just lots of pics of New Zealand.
I am sending you to my amazon.com affiliate account in order to have your cash.
see you later, thanks.
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I can't wait that long.
Besides, Blockbuster has this kickass promo right now. for $25 you get 10 free rentals plus FOTR on DVD (that's for you to keep). Hell, 10 rentals plus the DVD would normally costs about $60.
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You are selling your time (they'll keep you in the showroom about the same amount of time than it takes to watch the movie =) and they will of course have your mailing address to bombard you with KIA ads and probably to sell to other marketing slime.
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Granted. I agree I was oversimplifying a bit. What I was more driving at were differences in prices between VHS and DVD (and cassettes vs. CD, too); if they can afford to sell a movie on VHS for however much, they can certainly afford to sell a DVD for less. And I'm guessing that the VHS releases are going to cost significantly less than the DVD versions. Which is where the "artificial price gouging" comes in.
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Right now, Amazon is offering the first one at $17.97, the second at $25.99. So you can buy either one at a very reasonable price, or all six disks for $44.00.
Let me repeat that for all of you whiners who didn't understand it:
You can buy all six disks, including two full cuts, for only $44.00.
Damn, do I feel ripped off. Especially when the six-disk set of 'The Godfather', "remastered" for the umpteenth time, is $75. Or the single, no-specials, no-restoration DVS of 'Harold and Maude' is $25.50.
Get a clue. Jackson et. al. had to make a decision as to how to package it. They made their decision. As far as I can tell, they decided that they would not force folks to buy duplicate material if they wanted everything, and kept it all *very very cheap*. Looks to me like a damned fine choice.
And if you don't like it, don't buy it.
Actually there are several films out that are very long. I think your point should be that you can't make a commercially sucessful film 12 hours long. I know I personally would see a full LotR, but my girlfriend would look at my like I was crazy, she thought it was too long as it was.
There are also several plays that are quite long- some extending into he 18 hour range, and many of them are quite good. It's just that most Amercians don't find it that entertaining to watch anything past 2.5 hours long (which was the main complaint I heard about the film anyway..).
I have personally thought about trying to write a musical about LotR (I would have to get licenscing etc..
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There are many theories about who Tom really is, and one is that Tom is an Ainur, Valar, or Ao himself.
Being a Valar doesn't make sense, because he doesn't care about the ring, and the Ents say that he has been around since before the stars, as well as that he is the oldest thing in the world.
Leaving him out of the movie, is like leaving God out of a Charles Heston movie (religous movie). Just because God doesn't make a Cameo appearance in it, or doesn't fight all the battles and fix everything himself, but rather sits and watches his children- doesn't mean that he isn't important or should be removed in total.
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I guess I'm tending to be pessemistic here, but I have to believe it's a money grab. Really. At best, it's an attempt to balance their fan base with a very lucritive release. Why you couldn't create 2 edits with seamless branching (effectively one movie with bonus material "spliced" in) all under one title is beyond me. And DVDs routinely sell with behind the scenes crap all the time for a negligable increase in price.
I'm betting what they did was the easiest, most profitable thing to do without totally alinating both the passive and hardcore fans. And before I recieve a single fan-boy flame, know that the above is not nessisarily a diss, just that I doubt that they had our best intrests at heart as much as they (or some people here) claim to. When it's all said and done, they have a right to make money and they will... It was an outstanding movie.
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To some extent, I view a director as a conductor. I would not be very happy if I went to an orchestral performance of a Beethoven symphony and discovered that the conductor took it upon himself to cut out major portions of the work.
I know what you're saying, but this happens all the time. Just an example: George Szell and Otto Klemperer both cut a lot out of their (quite famous and popular) recordings of Bruchner's 8th symphony.... In fact, Klemperer said something along the lines that "Bruchner was getting carried away with himself"!
The fact of the matter is that PJ just couldn't fit everything in. My favourite part of the FOTR (A Conspiracy Unmasked) was cut, and I was disapointed. PJ needed to get the plot moving along, and skimming and cutting his way to Rivendell was the only way he could do it without tacking another hour onto the movie (not that many of us would complain....) At least PJ was respectful of the material, unlike Klemperer was. I think since TTT and ROTK have more meat on 'em, we'll see less cutting in the next movies.
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Frodo dropped his at Weathertop when he was stabbed the Nazgul Lord. At some point it was broken (can't remember when) which is one reason Bilbo gave him Sting when the Company set off from Imladris.
My pet peeves from FOTR were
1. Gandalf bumping his head at Bag End - No Way.
2. Belittling Frodo by some of his brave acts being performed by others e.g. Arwens defiance at the Ford (but I don't mind cutting Glorfindel for a better movie).
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Am I the only one who finds it interesting that November 12th is the same day book 10 in The Wheel of Time Series is being released?
no... because Robert Jordan began by blatantly ripping off JRRT, and then turned his story into a neverending sequel franchise. Only that not only did he just make his story longwinded, its also boring and shallow.
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Every action taken by a business is done in order to increase profits. I'm sure the execs at New Line would not let an opportunity like this slip past them; so of course releasing two different editions is a money grab. What else could it possibly be? When Jackson defends releasing two distinct editions, he is merely trying to say that he thinks they did a good job on making two separate editions that will appeal to two separate demographics. I don't think anybody is so naive of American business practices to think that this plan is anything but an obvious (and maybe acceptable) method of increasing profits for New Line.
Obviously, I am a biased, Slashdot-reading LotR geek. I dont pretend to be impartial, as these are some of my favorite books, and I am not trying to say that they are immune to criticism; I have some complaints of my own about the books. But aside from possibly some complaints about pacing, I think the criticsm you have thrown at the books are entirely off base.
You're sufferring from years of Gary Gygax trying to pretend he didn't "borrow" AD&D elements from Tolkien.
Orcs are twisted, degenerate Elves, and the film is a much more accurate portrait.
I'm afraid they aren't.. the Scouring is gonna be cut. Saruman gets killed on a spiky wheel somewhere. I think the rationale was that the long build-down after the climax wouldn't suit the movie format.
but the literary part of me's got to correct your grammar.
"Me's" is not a word. You cannot form a contraction with "has" by simply adding "'s" to the word that should preceed "has."
Sorry, my wife makes the same grammatical mess up all the time, and I'm trying to cure her of the bad colloquial habits which cause other people to not instantly respect her intellect, which (understandibly) ticks her off.
What ticks her off? Your attempts to "cure her" or that people do "not instantly resprect her intellect"?
Perhaps this is what was meant: The pen is mightier than the sword and he who lives by the pen shall die by the pen.
The way the ring is destroyed in the end is, in my opinion, one of the best aspects of the books. The entire point of that scene is to show that no living being could have the willpower to throw the ring into the fire, so great was its powers of temptation and treachery. (Spoiler ahead, watch yourself folks.) Having Gollum seize the ring from Frodo and then fall into the pit amidst his excitement over being reunited with his precious further refutes your claim about foreshadowing, as it fulfills the predictions Gandalf made way back in the Fellowship of the Ring. Gandalf specifically wanrs Frodo not to kill Gollum, both out of pity and because Gandalf felt that Gollum still had some purpose to fulfill. If Frodo had ignored that advice and killed Gollum, ironically, he would have doomed all of existance to defeat at the hands of Sauron. In my opinion, that scene was very, very well done.
You missed the great irony that makes that scene even more delicious: It is the power of the One Ring that causes Gollum to throw himself into the fire!
If you remember, sometime previously Gollum promised to be good and help the hobbits, and Frodo made him swear on the One Ring. Frodo warned Gollum that the Ring would hold him to his oath, though it would try and twist it, and he later promised, by the power of the One Ring, that he, Frodo, would use the ring to order Gollum to cast himself into the fire if Gollum betrayed them--and Gollum would be helpless to disobey the Ring. It seems clear to me that the One Ring carried out Frodo's command when Gollum attacked Frodo in the pits of Summauth Naur, even though Frodo was no longer wearing the ring--perhaps because of Gollum's oath on the Ring.
---dragoness
Hey, you're a consumer. That means you have a moral obligation to consume. That's why everythings -- software, electronic gadgets, cars, whatever -- goes through umpteen pointless revisions. So just do your part and buy every revision, "necessary" or not. THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS!!!!