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Trident Back From the Dead
FunkyMonkey writes "It seems that Trident is trying to pull a Matrox and resurrect themselves from
the 3D video card grave yard. AnandTech
posted a Trident
XP4 Preview today that has some interesting information on Trident's latest
stab at the graphics market. The company is claiming 80% the performance of the
GeForce 4 TI 4600 at a price tag of less than $100 USD including DX 9 support.
How? A 0.13 micron process and only 30 million transistors thanks to pipeline
resource sharing. "
Oh, goody. I can't wait to see some next generation products from Hercules, Cirrus Logic, and S3.
"Now Non-Shitty!"
--saint
fp, ham-hog
Please fuck me in the ass, for I have FP'd.
Thank you.
My firewall is blustering along using a ISA Trident 8900 : You can't fault them for making low quality products.
Having said that, this preview has no hardware, and hence no benchmarks or qualitative/quantitative reviews. This is nothing more than market fluff at this point.
another cheap videocard that promises a level of performance it cannot acheive.
The last time I saw trident was on a Packed Bell computer, if thats any indication of quality.
here it comes again...
Loser.
I would *not* recommend Trident to anybody who is in the market. It is sugary and rots your effing teeth right out of your god damn mouth. I would instead go with Wrigley's Extra instead. Also Wrigley is a very moral company and they named the baseball field in Chicago. Please to be thanking you.
We had a Trident card in the first 486 (SX33!) we had, and I remember thinking that I could probably get a faster display using Trident Gum...
Hope they've changed things a bit.
Karma: Marginal (mostly due to the border around the website)
Stay dead, you evil bastard! Stay dead!!!
*ahem*
Yes, sir. I ownded a Trident, too.
FWIW, the Trident I have/had (975 3D Image AGP) sucked big-time.
4MB RAM and lines at 1024?!?!? WTF?
But it came with my no-name machine and I'm about to pawn it off on my brother (poor bastard.)
Needless to say, this release is underwhelming.
The opposite of progress is congress
Node:Top, Next:Introduction, Previous:(dir), Up:(dir) #======= THIS IS THE JARGON FILE, VERSION 4.3.1, 29 JUN 2001 =======# This is the Jargon File, a comprehensive compendium of hacker slang illuminating many aspects of hackish tradition, folklore, and humor. This document (the Jargon File) is in the public domain, to be freely used, shared, and modified. There are (by intention) no legal restraints on what you can do with it, but there are traditions about its proper use to which many hackers are quite strongly attached. Please extend the courtesy of proper citation when you quote the File, ideally with a version number, as it will change and grow over time. (Examples of appropriate citation form: "Jargon File 4.3.1" or "The on-line hacker Jargon File, version 4.3.1, 29 JUN 2001".) The Jargon File is a common heritage of the hacker culture. 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The two `authorized' editions so far are described in the Revision History section; there may be more in the future. * Introduction: The purpose and scope of this File * A Few Terms: Of Slang, Jargon and Techspeak * Revision History: How the File came to be * Jargon Construction: How hackers invent jargon * Hacker Writing Style: How they write * Email Quotes: And the Inclusion Problem * Hacker Speech Style: How hackers talk * International Style: Some notes on usage outside the U.S. * Lamer-speak: Crackers, Phreaks, and Lamers * Pronunciation Guide: How to read the pronunciation keys * Other Lexicon Conventions: How to read lexicon entries * Format for New Entries: How to submit new entries for the File * The Jargon Lexicon: The lexicon itself * Appendix A: Hacker Folklore * Appendix B: A Portrait of J. Random Hacker * Appendix C: Helping Hacker Culture Grow * Bibliography: For your further enjoyment Node:Introduction, Next:A Few Terms, Previous:Top, Up:Top Introduction This document is a collection of slang terms used by various subcultures of computer hackers. Though some technical material is included for background and flavor, it is not a technical dictionary; what we describe here is the language hackers use among themselves for fun, social communication, and technical debate. The `hacker culture' is actually a loosely networked collection of subcultures that is nevertheless conscious of some important shared experiences, shared roots, and shared values. It has its own myths, heroes, villains, folk epics, in-jokes, taboos, and dreams. Because hackers as a group are particularly creative people who define themselves partly by rejection of `normal' values and working habits, it has unusually rich and conscious traditions for an intentional culture less than 40 years old. As usual with slang, the special vocabulary of hackers helps hold their culture together -- it helps hackers recognize each other's places in the community and expresses shared values and experiences. Also as usual, not knowing the slang (or using it inappropriately) defines one as an outsider, a mundane, or (worst of all in hackish vocabulary) possibly even a suit. All human cultures use slang in this threefold way -- as a tool of communication, and of inclusion, and of exclusion. Among hackers, though, slang has a subtler aspect, paralleled perhaps in the slang of jazz musicians and some kinds of fine artists but hard to detect in most technical or scientific cultures; parts of it are code for shared states of consciousness. There is a whole range of altered states and problem-solving mental stances basic to high-level hacking which don't fit into conventional linguistic reality any better than a Coltrane solo or one of Maurits Escher's `trompe l'oeil' compositions (Escher is a favorite of hackers), and hacker slang encodes these subtleties in many unobvious ways. As a simple example, take the distinction between a kluge and an elegant solution, and the differing connotations attached to each. The distinction is not only of engineering significance; it reaches right back into the nature of the generative processes in program design and asserts something important about two different kinds of relationship between the hacker and the hack. Hacker slang is unusually rich in implications of this kind, of overtones and undertones that illuminate the hackish psyche. But there is more. Hackers, as a rule, love wordplay and are very conscious and inventive in their use of language. These traits seem to be common in young children, but the conformity-enforcing machine we are pleased to call an educational system bludgeons them out of most of us before adolescence. Thus, linguistic invention in most subcultures of the modern West is a halting and largely unconscious process. Hackers, by contrast, regard slang formation and use as a game to be played for conscious pleasure. Their inventions thus display an almost unique combination of the neotenous enjoyment of language-play with the discrimination of educated and powerful intelligence. Further, the electronic media which knit them together are fluid, `hot' connections, well adapted to both the dissemination of new slang and the ruthless culling of weak and superannuated specimens. The results of this process give us perhaps a uniquely intense and accelerated view of linguistic evolution in action. Hacker slang also challenges some common linguistic and anthropological assumptions. For example, it has recently become fashionable to speak of `low-context' versus `high-context' communication, and to classify cultures by the preferred context level of their languages and art forms. It is usually claimed that low-context communication (characterized by precision, clarity, and completeness of self-contained utterances) is typical in cultures which value logic, objectivity, individualism, and competition; by contrast, high-context communication (elliptical, emotive, nuance-filled, multi-modal, heavily coded) is associated with cultures which value subjectivity, consensus, cooperation, and tradition. What then are we to make of hackerdom, which is themed around extremely low-context interaction with computers and exhibits primarily "low-context" values, but cultivates an almost absurdly high-context slang style? The intensity and consciousness of hackish invention make a compilation of hacker slang a particularly effective window into the surrounding culture -- and, in fact, this one is the latest version of an evolving compilation called the `Jargon File', maintained by hackers themselves since the early 1970s. This one (like its ancestors) is primarily a lexicon, but also includes topic entries which collect background or sidelight information on hacker culture that would be awkward to try to subsume under individual slang definitions. Though the format is that of a reference volume, it is intended that the material be enjoyable to browse. Even a complete outsider should find at least a chuckle on nearly every page, and much that is amusingly thought-provoking. But it is also true that hackers use humorous wordplay to make strong, sometimes combative statements about what they feel. Some of these entries reflect the views of opposing sides in disputes that have been genuinely passionate; this is deliberate. We have not tried to moderate or pretty up these disputes; rather we have attempted to ensure that everyone's sacred cows get gored, impartially. Compromise is not particularly a hackish virtue, but the honest presentation of divergent viewpoints is. The reader with minimal computer background who finds some references incomprehensibly technical can safely ignore them. We have not felt it either necessary or desirable to eliminate all such; they, too, contribute flavor, and one of this document's major intended audiences -- fledgling hackers already partway inside the culture -- will benefit from them. A selection of longer items of hacker folklore and humor is included in Appendix A. The `outside' reader's attention is particularly directed to the Portrait of J. Random Hacker in Appendix B. Appendix C, the Bibliography, lists some non-technical works which have either influenced or described the hacker culture. Because hackerdom is an intentional culture (one each individual must choose by action to join), one should not be surprised that the line between description and influence can become more than a little blurred. Earlier versions of the Jargon File have played a central role in spreading hacker language and the culture that goes with it to successively larger populations, and we hope and expect that this one will do likewise.
Penis is in your mouth.
Now you see it.
Now you don't.
Taste my salty man juice.
Bitch.
I was a victim of my own naivete, when, while extremely intoxicated, I walked into a tattoo/piercing parlor, horribly ignorant of the "we do surgery too!" sign above and to the left of me. An Overlooked detail and a bottle of Makers Mark; a cocktail of disaster when combined. Without hesitation, I, in a drunken stupor, mistakenly asked to have my LABIA pierced...now, given the fact that I am a male, the guy doing the piercing was understandibly concerned with my request. "You know, I am assuming that you're sure you REALLY want to go through with this procedure". "Just Do it, man!" I demanded. Now, first of all, It's one thing to go into his parlor drunk and mispronounce a simple word, but not knowing he was also a licensed plastic surgeon ....how could I possibly miss that little factoid? Well after I awakened from the anasthetics, the mirror I was facing reflected a dissappointing portrait of my lower half, exposing the unexpected, yet, terribly noticeable mutilation I had undergone. However, I was thrilled to know that I was still in posession of my previous anatomy, placed just so in a smuckers jar filled with ice and water. I apologized to the piercing guy and explained to him that it was a silly misunderstanding, and that I was in desperate need of my previous extremities. We laughed, and laughed. Afterward the doctor surgically replaced my reproductive organs. In a display of common hospitality, he let me keep the labia I briefly sported for good luck....I even got it to hang on my neclace for a while, just like a keepsake! I never did get around to piercing my labret, though.
"someone should make a hot air balloon that is shaped like a giant vagina" -- Bill Clinton
The Trident XP4 isn't a DirectX 9 part, as the headline says Trident claims that they have a DirectX 8.1 GPU. Anyway, even if it was DX9 compliant, it would only meet the Vertex Shader specs and not the pixel shader specs (2.0 is DX9, 1.4 for DX8.1).
For that matter, no current processor has the fill rate necessary to comply with the Pixel Shader 2.0 specs, except possibly the Radeon 9700, which isn't yet available for benchmarking.
And while the specs are good for an entry level part, count the number of launch partners-zero.
With ATI and Nvidia taking the lion's share of the market, but putting their main publicity on their top-end products, it wouldn't be unusual for a not-quite-so-high-end graphics chip to find its way into a lot of cheaper systems. If the performance is reasonable, I should think it'd be a welcome addition to the tiny Shuttle computers, for example.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error.
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And Trident is making cheap chips. They surely can talk.
I don't think they'll be able to live down the stigma associated with their company name. They probably should have come back under a different name to at least show that they've changed a little. It was such a disgrace having a trident card or built-in chipset in your computer back in the day.
The graphics market boils down to two major markets:
1) OEM's
2) Gamers
Gamers will likely pay the premimum to get that extra 20% of performance. Also, the NVIDIA name carries a certain assurance that it's all going to work well.
As for OEM's, harder to say. One the one hand you've got some systems where the goal is being cheap and you go for an integrated chipset. Then on others the goal is best performance and thus the premium for 20% becomes worthwhile. There's a middle there, but I don't know how wide that middle is.
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....is that they are so much fun
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Take your homosexuality elsewhere. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. People like you should be castrated.
1. Make card slower than competition 2. Charge less little for it 3. ....
4. Profit!
Our card is slower than theirs but you should use it anyway!
The taiwanese are very smart. Why spend billions on R&D when they can get 90% of the performance at 10% the cost? I believe the resurgence will be very noticeable this time, especially since companies like SiS (Xabre 400 chip - 90% performance of Ti 4200, 10% production cost) also make motherboard chipsets. Trident, being a long standing Taiwan chipmaker, probably has a natural advantage in striking deals to integrate their chip into m/b chipsets. This also explains why NVidia feels so compelled to make nForce. I think NVidia is smart enough to realize that these Taiwanese companies are a hell of a lot more stable and successful than they are, and that if they want to mirror tha success, they will have to also focus on integration to build product synergy and adoption.
This article has been up on /. for about two minutes, and almost every comment so far has been, "Well I had a card from them that sucked, so everything else they do will suck too."
Guess what? THOSE CARDS ARE YESTERDAY'S NEWS! Trident is making a different card with different chips and different circuits. They'll have different performance than the old cards!!!!
Now the new card is going to be cheap, which makes me suspicious of its performance/quality. However, discounting is out of hand because their last card (or even every card before this one) is completely pointless and wrong-headed. Look at the card, and then decide if it sucks. Amazing that so many of you have to be told that.
Lets also not forget that Trident did extremely well selling 'shite' cards. At one point there were more 8900 chips than any other single video chip in PCs at the time! Cheap, slow, but great where you just need a screen. (like my console server and my firewall, for instance)
So get over the past.
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
Begs the question if it really is too late to get into the 3D graphics biz.
I was at a presentations about asynchronous logic by a company who did some research into the area.
They took the advantage of fast and fine grain asynchronous pipelines but by then nvidia was in the market and they claim they had no chance copeating with them.
If trident can come out of the blue and make a card %80 of the speed of a gforce4 then maybe they and others gave up too early.
Mouse powered Chips, Open source Processors and Lego
Usually in these situations, the marketing dept. designed the spec's for a less than wonderful implementation by the tech dept resulting in the usual h/w crud where we cringe at the mention of their name - cyrix, celeron, early AMD, Acer CDROM's, hellokitty, etc...
I just can't think of any good chewing gum jokes.
What's the matter, pal? Your pencil dick not pleasing the ladies? You need to become a real Aryan man, Mr. "Made in Taiwan."
The Hercules Monochromes are far from complaining of a whopping 2MB (?) video card they've got...
it may have arguably been a bad card, but it's lasted forever, and that's a good thing(tm)
I'd love to, but... . ... well, maybe.
1 I have to floss my cat.
2 I've dedicated my life to linguini.
3 I want to spend more time with my blender.
4 the President said he might drop in.
5 the man on television told me to say tuned.
6 I've been scheduled for a karma transplant.
7 I'm staying home to work on my cottage cheese sculpture.
8 it's my parakeet's bowling night.
9 it wouldn't be fair to the other Beautiful People.
10 I'm building a pig from a kit.
11 I did my own thing and now I've got to undo it.
12 I'm enrolled in aerobic scream therapy.
13 there's a disturbance in the Force.
14 I'm doing door-to-door collecting for static cling.
15 I have to go to the post office to see if I'm still wanted.
16 I'm teaching my ferret to yodel.
17 I have to check the freshness dates on my dairy products.
18 I'm going through cherry cheesecake withdrawl.
19 I'm planning to go downtown to try on gloves.
20 my crayons all melted together.
21 I'm trying to see how long I can go without saying yes.
22 I'm in training to be a household pest.
23 I'm getting my overalls overhauled.
24 my patent is pending.
25 I'm attending the opening of my garage door.
26 I'm sandblasting my oven.
27 I'm worried about my vertical hold.
28 I'm going down to the bakery to watch the buns rise.
29 I'm being deported.
30 the grunion are running.
31 I'll be looking for a parking space.
32 my Millard Filmore Fan Club meets then.
33 the monsters haven't turned blue yet, and I have to eat more dots.
34 I'm taking punk totem pole carving.
35 I have to fluff my shower cap.
36 I'm converting my calendar watch from Julian to Gregorian.
37 I've come down with a really horrible case of something or other.
38 I made an appointment with a cuticle specialist.
39 my plot to take over the world is thickening.
40 I have to fulfill my potential.
41 I don't want to leave my comfort zone.
42 it's too close to the turn of the century.
43 I have some real hard words to look up in the dictionary.
44 my subconscious says no.
45 I'm giving nuisance lessons at a convenience store.
46 I left my body in my other clothes.
47 the last time I went, I never came back.
48 I've got a Friends of Rutabaga meeting.
49 I have to answer all of my "occupant" letters.
50 none of my socks match.
51 I have to be on the next train to Bermuda.
52 I'm having all my plants neutered.
53 people are blaming me for the Spanish-American War.
54 I changed the lock on my door and now I can't get out.
55 I'm making a home movie called "The Thing That Grew in My
Refrigerator."
56 I'm attending a perfume convention as guest sniffer.
57 my yucca plant is feeling yucky.
58 I'm touring China with a wok band.
59 my chocolate-appreciation class meets that night.
60 I never go out on days that end in "Y."
61 my mother would never let me hear the end of it.
62 I'm running off to Yugoslavia with a foreign-exchange student named
Basil Metabolism.
63 I just picked up a book called "Glue in Many Lands" and I can't put
it down.
64 I'm too old/young for that stuff.
65 I have to wash/condition/perm/curl/tease/torment my hair.
66 I have too much guilt.
67 there are important world issues that need worrying about.
68 I have to draw "Cubby" for an art scholarship.
69 I'm uncomfortable when I'm alone or with others.
70 I promised to help a friend fold road maps.
71 I feel a song coming on.
72 I'm trying to be less popular.
73 my bathroom tiles need grouting.
74 I have to bleach my hare.
75 I'm waiting to see if I'm already a winner.
76 I'm writing a love letter to Richard Simmons.
77 you know how we psychos are.
78 my favorite commercial is on TV.
79 I have to study for a blood test.
80 I'm going to be old someday.
81 I've been traded to Cincinnati.
82 I'm observing National Apathy Week.
83 I have to rotate my crops.
84 my uncle escaped again.
85 I'm up to my elbows in waxy buildup.
86 I have to knit some dust bunnies for a charity bazaar.
87 I'm having my baby shoes bronzed.
88 I have to go to court for kitty littering.
89 I'm going to count the bristles in my toothbrush.
90 I have to thaw some karate chops for dinner.
91 having fun gives me prickly heat.
92 I'm going to the Missing Persons Bureau to see if anyone is looking
for me.
93 I have to jog my memory.
94 my palm reader advised against it.
95 my Dress For Obscurity class meets then.
96 I have to stay home and see if I snore.
97 I prefer to remain an enigma.
98 I think you want the OTHER [your name]
99 I have to sit up with a sick ant.
100 I'm trying to cut down.
101
YHBT. HTH. HAND.
p.s. - you are a fag.
Offtopic yes, but isn't it odd, what with the 'normal' banners that appeal to most of us that are on ./ that I just saw one for Microsoft Visual Studio .NET? Kinda odd with all the MSFT and .NET bashing here...
Tibbon
tibbon.com
I wish this ghost of the past would've stayed where it belongs.. Like, in the past, and inside one of my firewall machines.
..And miraculously, it still works! I mean, my first 3D-accelerated card, with a RIVA128 chip, went FUBAR in a couple of years. I've seen lots of other cards too, that haven't stayed for as long as this Trident not-quite-a-nuclear-missile did.
I, for one also, had a Trident 8900 board in my oldie 486 computer, and boy did it suck. It was so slow and disgusting and, and..
Perhaps it's the fact that it's a big and ugly ISA card, designed with no hurry in mind, unlike those overclocked and packed 3D-miracles we have today.. But I am still a bit astonished it's actually working without any errors, and the picture is still a solid square.
But please, for the love of 3D gamers, stay dead, will ya?
__
Zarathustra.fi
Modern man has no goal, no aim, no ideals.
Actually, I wish they would stay dead.
There was nothing less fun than having to find OEM Trident drivers for a crappy Windows 95A desktop.
Good lord how we hated on the board Trident video.
1) Tell him his armband is inside-out.
2) Re-arrange his golf club covers without telling him.
3) Tell him he has ring-around-the-collar on his brownshirt.
4) Insult his pit bull.
5) Shoot his pit bull.
6) Shoot him.
7) Slash the tires on his Porsche [note: proper Fascist auto maybe substituted
here.]
8) Riot.
9) Spraypaint FUCK CAPITALISM on his Porsche.
10) Spraypaint FUCK CAPITALISM AND FUCK COMMUNISM on his Porsche.
11) Spraypaint FUCK THE WORLD on his Pitt-bull.
12) Overthrow the government.
13) Wear a Chineese peasant's blue denim uniform with a button reading I
SUPPORT THE NATIONAL LIBERATION FRONT.
14) Learn Russian and speak only Rusian.
15) Learn Albanian and do like-wise.
16) Sing the following version of the Marines' Hymn:
From the balls of Montezuma
To the whores of Tripoli
We fight for cunt in battles
In the air, on land, and sea
First to fight for boobs and pussy
And we keep our penes clean
We are proud to claim the title
of Whore-Fucking States Marines.
17) Burn George Bush in effigy.
18) Burn George Bush in person.
19) Tattoo FUCK CAPITALISM (in Russian) on his wifes left breast when she isnt
looking.
20) Hand out pamphlets saying that says that Ronald Reagan is a Polish Jew and
the leader of the Communist conspiracy.
21) Cut his head off.
22) Assassinate The President.
23) Assassinate the Governor of New Jersey.
24) Assassinate Sununu.
24) Register as a Communist.
25) Organize an army and march on Washington.
26) Castrate him.
27) Castrate his pit-bull.
28) Castrate George Bush.
29) Attempt to overthrow the Government of the United States of America by
force and violence.
30) Organize you own country and declare war on South Africa.
31) Call him an anus.
32) Call him a gonad.
33) Call George Bush a gonad.
34) Blow up his Porsche.
35) Blow up his Pit-bull.
36) Blow up George Bush.
37) Give away copies of the Communist Manifesto.
38) Eat five pounds of beans and lock yourself in a small enclosed area with
him.
39) Defy Authority.
40) Destroy Authority.
41) Desecrate Hitlers Bunker.
42) Drop LSD in the Potomac.
43) Bomb Washington with Chia Pets.
44) Bomb Washington with SPAM.
45) Bomb Washington with registered Nurses.
46) Bomb Washington with a drug dealer named "vinnie".
47) Citizens arrest the president.
48) Board the Staten Island ferry, point a toy gun at the pilot and force him
to sail to Havana. If you are caught, explain that you wanted to just show
the passengers how bad Castro's Cuba really is.
49) Fart the pledge of allegiance.
50) Burn the flag.
51) Send George Bush a bar of soap and order him to wash his mouth out every
time he tells a lie.
52) Skip school.
53) Picket his house, holding a crucifix and mumbling "pax..pax...pax..."
54) Issue a public statement saying you hate mom, baseball, apple pie, and
the flag; but you love to fart.
55) Wear a t-shirt reading HITLER WAS A WEENIE.
56) Spray paint MAKE LOVE NOT WAR on his pit-bull.
57) Tell him to go fuck himself.
58) Tell him to go fuck himself with a limber dick.
59) Tell him you are a member of the John Birch Society and that you are i
investigating reports of him being a pinko.
60) Wear a t-shirt reading JOE MCARTHY WAS A WEENIE.
61) Stare him down.
62) Steal his SS epaulets.
63) Wear a sweatshirt with a big 69 on it reading THE BEST MIDNIGHT SNACK.
64) Ask him if he has any papers, because you want to roll a joint.
65) Set up a private Espionage organization and offer to sell your services to
the highest bidder. Solicit Bids from all the Communist countries. If the
FBI objects, respond with a long speech on the superiority of the
Capitalist system, where all goods and services are sold for the highest
price. Accuse the FBI agent of being a fuzzy-minded pinko.
66) Bury him in Lenins tomb.
67) Bury him in Stalins tomb.
68) Bury him in Grants tomb.
69) Simulataneously enroll in orginizations The Ukranian Workers Society, North
Yugoslav Peoples Assosciation, Hungarian Peasants Club, The John Birch
Society, and Jews for Jesus.
70) Ask him "who the hell cares if the trains run on time?".
71) Get yourself invited to his house for dinner. Bring a gun and a target. At
an appopriate moment lean the target against a wall and
start shooting at it, screaming: KILL THE COMMIES! KILL THE FUCKIN COMMIES!
72) Take a tour of the White House. Bring a defused hand grenade with you and
toss it on the floor in front of the highest ranking Bureaucrat you can
find. Run like hell the other way, shouting "Die, imperialist dog!".
73) Distribute copies of CHALLENGE
on Wall Street to anyone wearing a suit.
74) Alternately, try to sell it to them for 10 cents and when refused, reply
"Oh, your too cheap to spend a dime to find out the truth!"
75) Enter your local recruiting office. fart. leave.
76) Enter your local Recruiting office. Pull out a water pistol and spray all
Military personnel you meet as soon as they turn their backs. When they
take the pistol away from you (after a lecture) listen intently and
abashedly and say youre sorry. As soon as the lecturer turns his back on
you, pull out another water pistol from you pocket and shoot him in the
back, laughing hysterically.
77) Pass your own Selective Service Act and draft everyone you meet.
78) Sing at the top of your lungs:
Onward Christian soldiers,
Onward as to war.
Kill your Christian brothers
As you've done before.
79) Enter your local Marine Recruiting office. when asked why you want to join
the marines, reply "Ive been waiting for a long time for a chance to shoot
a motherfucken general!"
80) Take a tour of the White House and offer $1000 to any of the Marine honor
guards who will spit on the flag and say: "Fuck the imperialist United
States" three times. If any of them take you up on it, wait until they are
finished and then tell them that you cant pay him cause that would be
corrupting him.
81) Offer to sell the first official you meet your share of the country.
82) Whenever asked a question answer "FUCK THE WORLD", try to convince
the rest of the known universe to do the same.
83) Hang out in front of your local Navy recruiting center wearing a white
sailor cap and singing "Anchors Aweigh".
84) Join the Amerikan Nazi Party. Arive in a tutu and slippers carrying a sub-
machine gun. open fire screaming "DIE DIE DIE!!!!"
85) Enroll at the School for Marxist Studies.
86) Enroll at Moscow University.
87) Just keep on doing what youre doing.
88) Tell the truth about the wars of the U.S. (i.e. make a speech explaining
the true character of America's involvement in Vietnam.
89) Convince him that Hitler is alive and living in the basement of the
Pentagon, then let his hopes down.
90) Tattoo FUCK FASCISTS on your chest in letters 6 inchs high.
91) Tell him your the Popes illegitimate son.
92) Surround the White House with paid mercenaries and take it over.
93) Own a Monarchy.
94) Claim to be a Bloshevik-Socialist-leftwing-jew.
95) Burn down the Reichstag.
96) Lead a profligate life: live with a negro; drink; gamble and also swear.
97) Commit an original sin.
98) Vote in a foreign election.
99) Bite him.
100) Send him a copy of this file.
101) All of the above.
I adjure you to stop, o Slashbot.
Smile. You're on candid camera.
I've got a low-cost laptop from HP (one of the 'build your own' from Circuit City); and it's got a Trident cyberBladeXP in it. I was going to wait a bit to hold out for a ATI chipset, but after doing some reading I figured I could make it work. It does. Sure, I had to throw X into vesa mode to use my whole screen, sure the default trident driver stinks up the room (badly), but Trident just opened the specs for the cyberbladeXP and there is now a "drop in" driver for X that is 2d accelerated (3d is being worked on); and it works great. It's "no frills," but then I wasn't getting this laptop to do serious gaming. Would I use a Trident Card in a gaming machine, only if I was taking some serious drugs that warped my mind, but for a simple workstation, sure; no prob. I too had a terrible card in the past from Trident, but they're trying to get better. Can we just give 'em a chance?
1. Lawnmower
2. Hold it by its tail, shake vigorously
3. Give it a bath in hydrochloric acid
4. Let it play with a ball of barbed wire
5. Teach it to jump through a flaming loop, then get it drunk and have it do it
6. Eat it, cough up a furball, then puke
7. Put it in a paper shredder, slowly (collect bits afterwars, glue and some assembly may be required)
8. Tie tongue to one car, tail to another, and have them dive in opposite directions
9. Flamethrower
10. Attach tail to fan, put it on high (the fan)
11. Get a pair of tweasers, pluck one hair at a time
12. Bury it, dig it up a few weeks later
13. Throw it at a fan (make sure it's on (the fan))
14. Stuff it in a mailbox with a quarterstick of dynamite
15. Throw catnip on the launching pad of the space shuttle just before takeoff
16. Have it roll in hot tar
17. Drop it off a building onto a sharpened sewer grate
18. Toss it in Boston Harbor
19. Use a tire pump to fill it with air, pop it
20. Shave "Saddam rules" on it and throw it to a pack of Kurds
21. Volunteer it for a documentary on pirranahs
22. Cover firecrackers with catnip (light them)
23. Use it as the bat in "mailbox baseball"
24. Throw it at the windshield of someone who annoys you (or just for fun)
25. Tie (or shave) a message on it and throw it through the window of an enemy
26. Use it as shark bait
27. Train an attack dog with it
28. Volunteer it for radiation testing
29. Volunteer it for Olympic training for the hammer throw
30. Use it as a train brake
31. Put a condom on its head and give it to a Bishop
32. Use it as printer paper
33. Use it as the "kindling" to burn down a billboard (for best results, douse in gasoline first)
34. Rub alcohol on it and chase it over hot coals
35. Cats love chasing moving things, cut some live electrical wires and watch them dance (bring your cat, twit)
36. Light its tail on fire and watch it chase it
37. Give the cat and some acid to Skeeve
38. Let it run The Works for a day
39. "Bowl" it over millions of shards of broken glass
40. Experiment with the explosive properties of cat hair
41. Turn on the car while the cat is getting warm in the engine
42. Check the read/write properties of cats in disk drives
43. Test out the hair club for men on it
44. Put plastic explosives in fake mice
45. Drop it off a cliff, repeat until it doesn't land on its feet
46. Feed it to a pack of raving Puce Armadillos
47. Have it figure out the previous entry
48. Wrap duct tape around it, peal off rapidly
49. Have it try to write a 101 (tm) text file
50. Feed it live grenades (and run)
51. Slide it quickly down a slide lined with brillo pads
52. Use it to smoothen the rusty parts on your car
53. Squeeze it through a pipe half its size
54. Chainsaw
55. Throw it at a velcro wall and rip it off
56. Use a cheese grater
57. Feed it cherry bombs
58. See how good it is at "eating fire"
59. Eat fire yourself, and use the cat as a target (great at parties)
60. Use sandpaper
61. Ask it the meaning of life
62. Have Skeeve explain the meaning of life to it
63. Use it in a game of "tethercat" (this entry courtosy of The Far Side comics inc.)
64. Have it piss off (or on) Cab the Nastie
65. Try to get it inside the computer to accomplish the preceding entry
66. Use hedge clippers
67. Test how good the properties of cats are for making spam
68. Scotch (tm) tape it to the exhaust pipe of a bus
69. Use its face as a guitar pick, gradually move to other parts of its body (Note to all you sex perverts: No, I didn't have a special entry just for this number, nyah nyah nyah!)
70. Get a giant, economy size electric pencil sharpener and...well, you know...um...ok...fine, so it was a bad idea
71. Use it as the lance (or shield) for a good clean game of joust
72. Test its electricity conductivity properties (in any manner you choose)
73. Put alcohol in its water bowl and release it into a mine field
74. Nail the pet door on your door closed, encourage it to run full speed into the house
75. Introduce it to Butch the pitbull next door
76. Pull its flea collar off, going from head to tail
77. Hang some catnip from the rear bumper of your car (near the tire) and have the cat chase it, then slam it (the car) into reverse (this can also be found in the soon to be released "101 (tm) ways to ruin your transmission")
78. Have it attempt to figure out "f00g and the art of Zen"
79. Severely hinder the existence of one of America's greatest evils, the trailer park (of course) by using the cat to link two of the park's power lines, thus shorting out the whole place
80. Use it as a place to stick Post-it (tm) notes
81. Put it on ther head of Raytheon's famous Patriot Missle
82. Put it 5 miles from the intended target of a Scud
83. Shave the American flag on it and sell it to a drunken football fan as a patriotic souvenir (ok, enough with the belated-gulf-war-patriotic-stereotypes)
84. Paint it white and bring it to a sheep shearing contest
85. Toss it into the street after it (the street) has been newly tarred, get some popcorn and wait for the steam roller
86. Treat it like you would a balloon animal
87. Shave signs of the devil on it and give it to Mother Theresa as a gift
88. Teach it to surf
89. Have it fight a big armadillo
90. Ask it why armadillos are such a favorite topic of mine (cats HATE even the mention of the word)
91. Let it play with your favorite samarai sword (did I spell it right?)
92. Have it use a razor sharp spork (they're so common...) to eat from its food bowl
93. Stuff its nose and mouth full of sawdust and watch it flip out (place any desirable sharp objects near it)
94. Feed it green eggs and spam
95. Introduce it to the wonderful world of narcotics (Note: This was put here in a mood of jest and merriment only, Psychotic Alliance would like to stress that drugs are of no use, except when writing text files)
96. Use a utility knife (anyone who accomplishes this, please contact me)
97. Poke it with a pen all over its body, let the scabs heal and then pick all of them off
98. Put it in a time capsule
99. Push it through a screen
100. Just use a razor blade...
101. Give it some swiss cheese (YOU figure it out, hehehe)
I'd actually *like* to be able to buy a whipping cool card for $100. And it's quite plausible that Trident will be able to deliver (after all, they've stopped doing ISA cards ages ago).
The real potential problems with this: driver compatilibity and Linux support. If their drivers turn out sucky, well, *DUH*. And if they remain tight-lipped about their 'intellectual property', they'd better release decently performing DRI drivers.
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The newer "blade" series of trident cards support OpenGL, have Linux drivers, are relatively responsive, and CHEAP.
I've always liked Tridents, especially in comparison to S3; they work.
Not the power gaming card, but good for general performance on a budget.
Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
...Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
Churchill
Are there fatal flaws with NVidia and ATI's offerings? Why else the resurrection of these other companies? Is it because NVidia and ATI are getting monopoly rents?
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
For me, the stigma is not with the name but their support. I got a company laptop with a trident card. need i say more? i will anyway, no driver support under linux. so no X. no more trident for me. what's even worse is that there is a third part driver but has a small quirk (intermittantly types in multiple chars when i hit a key) trident could have just helped this guy fix the driver. but guess not. they want to keep their IP to themselves. they can keep their video cards to themselves too.
I don't know - hard core gamers, granted, spend all the money they make working at Taco Bell on a new $450 vid card every 4 months.
However, there are a lot of the rest of us who don't want to drop that kind of cash, who cant tell the difference between 100 fps and 140 fps, and who would have to look a while to tell the difference between 24 bit and 32 bit graphics. We are NOT the people who buy games at midnight the day they come out, dressed up as a damned orc (yeah, you WC III freaks, that's you) or some Jedi retard for Outcast. We even wait until the games come down from $50 to buy them.
There are a lot of people like that. Check it out - NVIDIA is still selling the shit out of the Ti 4200, and even GF III's. There is a market there, and while I don't trust Trident, I will be buying a $150-$200 GeForce in a few months - to replace my, ahem, TNT2. *duck*
-Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat
On a GeForce 4 4600 Quake 3 in 1024x768 32bit High Quality runs at 220 fps. (Source: Tom's Hardware VGA Charts.) Now, 80% of 220 = 176. A Geforce 3 (standard) runs the same benchmark at 173.8 - roughly 80%. A GeForce 3 can be had for $91 according to pricewatch. Granted, it may not have the same "DX9" support, but I'm sure it will run without any problems with DX9. In fact, I'm sure it will run any game on your local computer retailer's shelf. It will also run under Linux. It will also have new drivers released next year. It also works with your choice of virtually any AGP slotted motherboard being sold today. It will not cause random lockups because you bought a cheap NIC. It has flawless OpenGL AND Direct3D support. And any game manufacturer that produces a game that doesn't run under it will go out of business.
Don't get me wrong, I love market competition as much as anyone. I hope Trident can compete with Nvidia and ATI, but even if this PR bullshit proves true, they're still behind the curve as far as I can tell.
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." -Voltaire
The company is claiming 80% the performance of the GeForce 4 TI 4600 at a price tag of less than $100 USD including DX 9 support.
:)
Let me guess, the other 20% will be critical bugs in their drivers. Nice try Trident
Seriously, you just proved his point.
Companies aren't genetically pre-disposed toward a course of action. They weren't abused when they were young and are therefore more likely to settle into that same pattern.
Companies have not been subjected to rigorous Pavlovian testing (hear the bell ring and produce a low-end graphics chipset!). While they may occasionally be stricken with poor management, they can, and do, change.
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That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
It is an autobiographical account of how a straight man like me, to whom the very idea of homosexuality was utterily repulsive, was slowly brainwashed by countless Taco-snotting, goatse.cx and Linux Gay Conspiracy posts into thinking that I could, in fact, engage in homosexual activity and perhaps even like it one day. The last straw was the dream I had last knight in which I willingly did a handjob on a total stranger.
The truth must be told so that the others can avoid my fate!! Stop reading Slashdot now unless you want to turn into a fagort!
Hercules makes crap cards. Their GeForce2 Ultra (they called it the Prophet Ultra or something like that) had uninsulated pins on the SVideo out. Thus making the card exteremly succeptable to interference and useless for PC->TV applicatoins. Their tech support is good though, it didn't take much for customer support to start forwarding me to R&D.
"I bet I'll get blamed for this." --Mayor Quimby
Well, everybody seems to be bashing the snot out of Trident the company, so I'll probably just get buried in the noise. But... a few years back, when sound cards were a genuine pain in the ass to support under Linux, Trident Microsystems was one of the few to release complete details of their chipset (4DWave DX/NX), and even wrote and donated an open source driver to the ALSA project. So, maybe their video cards weren't as perfect as you all seem to want, but you need to quit slamming the company. Because in fact, they were one of the early "good guys" with Linux.
Based on that experience, I'll probably buy the video card. So long as it includes a Linux driver.
Now that several companies are producing OpenGL hardware that is somewhat comparable to NVIDIA's, all it's going to take for me to switch is for one of them to have a completely open-source driver. I am tired of recompiling NVIDIA's driver manually for every kernel update, waiting for updates from them, and forget any platforms other than x86 and ia64...
Cards are so fast these days, I'd gladly sacrifice a 25-50% performance edge for the portability and reliability advantages of an open-source driver. ATI, Matrox, Trident - I'm waiting...
I hardly think Matrox comparing Matrox to Trident is very fair. Matrox did not "come back from the dead" with the Parhelia, they just attempted to compete in the gaming market. While they did not release a Ti4600 killer, the Parhelia did introduce a number of innovative features. But G-series cards have been quite successful for the past few years in the workstation and financial markets with Matrox's excellent dual-head capabilities. Trident on the otherhand hasn't released a competitive card on any level in many years, so this announcement is in fact a resurrection of sorts.
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In my laptop, a toshiba tecra 8200 is a trident cyberblade xp gfx chipset. Trident has not beeing willing to provide specs. or anything else so that the Xfree people can provide us with drivers. I feel very bad about Trident and will never buy another product from them again. Please do not support such companies and buy products like Ati, which have a good relationship with the Xfree people.
when'ln fucking vida sell their shit at 30 bucks out of spite?
I'd fork over 30 for a ISA and 40 for AGP not 140 just 40
I can't help but laugh as I read all of the "Stay dead Trident! Stay dead!!!" messages on the board here. Um, if you hate Trident cards so much don't buy one. :)
:D
Yes, the ones they've made in the past have always been a bit lower grade, but they HAVE worked haven't they? My daughter helped me put together a server just a few months ago and the Trident video card that she put into it was older than SHE was. And still working like a charm. I don't want to play Doom 3 on the thing, I want to check on my server. The one meg card works great for this, and it is the oldest piece of hardware that I own. This translates to RELIABILITY. Now, if they are able to produce new cards that are inexpensive AND capable of putting out decent performance without losing Trident's reputation for reliability, what's the problem? I can't wait to see the final product myself!
A Trident spokesperson had this to say:
"BRRAAAIIINNNNSSSSSSS....."
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Especially over ATi and nVidia offerings. Maybe the Same OEMs that offer computers built with Cyrix CPUs, yea. :)
Even with 100% the performance of the GeForce 4 TI 4600, Morrowind still runs at 12fps...
It makes me sick that instead of being made to take advantage of existing hardware, many new games only run well on hardware that wont be available until 1-2 years in the future. Anarchy Online anyone?
I've been looking for a video card that doesn't put out more heat than the rest of the computer.
At 0.13 micron and with the low transistor count they advertise, maybe this will be it.
If it's 90% as fast as a GeForce4, and puts out a lot less heat, I'm there.
I'll wait for reviews and drivers to see.
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
Linux - ISA Trident card
Amiga - (Paula, Fat Agnus and Denise - OCS)
Win311 - PCI Trident Card (1 meg memory, yes!)
Win95 - S3 Virge (de-cellerator, Came with OEMed Decent)
Win98 - Nvidia TNT 8 megs (Diamond MM)
Win98SE - Dual Voodoo2's and Nvidia TNT (DMM)
Win98SE - Dual Voodoo2's and Nvidia TNT2 (DMM)
Win98SE - Geforce 1 (DMM)
Win2K - Geforce 256 (Asus)
Win2K - Geforce 2MX (Asus)
WinXP - Geforce 3 Ti500 (Asus)
Linux Box - PCI Trident (8 meg)
Linux Box2 - S3 Savage AGP (16 meg)
I remember looking at video cards for some unix boxes, the 2 choices for a cheap card for a long time was Jaton branded pci cards(Trident chips) or Cirus video cards. I tried to go with jaton, the trident chips always had good opensource drivers. I still try to get trident videos card for linux boxes I build, but they are harder to find at local wholesale stores.
The only card I never used, which I heard had great linux support was any Matrox cards, the prices were just to high, and always slower than the others for games.
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The anand benchmarks were generated by taking the claimed performance percentage comparisons to a known part ("47% more foo than bar") and using the known part's performance to make the numbers. In other words, it's a pudding of guesswork with a few raisens of numbers.
First of all back in the 486 days all of the BTO mom and pop shops bought Trident cards like they were going out of style. Then along came PCI and they continued that but the cards were relatively the same performamce. Then along came AGP and the Trident 3DImage. We used to sell those because they had TV out. Well I'll tell you one thing.. Such atrocities done to 3D should not be expanded to 52" for all to see! That was the last I had heard of Trident until the IOpener came along and people were hacking them to load Linux. Cyberblade... Sounded cool until I found out it was basically a reworked 3DImage chipset. Yet for whatever reason HP and Compaq were all over it like flies on..... It seemed to be a popular choice in their laptops. Especially their K6 and mobile Athlon/Duron models.
Now lets look at the compeditors at the time. 1998 had seen the introdcution of the Intel i740 low cost graphics chip. We could get these things in bulk for about $35-40 with 8MB ram. And compared to the 3DImage and the other option, the VirgeGX they kicked ass. (My boss was a cheapo and always wanted the cheapest card possible in his systems). At the time the video card options were basically Nvidia RivaZX, Rage Pro Turbo, and Permedia2. The high end market was served by the just introduced TNT and the Voodoo2. The i740 offered better graphics quality as the Rage Pro cards but cheaper. Trident didn't have a chance, so they slowly pulled back into their turtle shell.
Personally I'm hoping that this card will be everything it was hyped to be. It will force everyone to be bigger/better and cheaper. So I say "Good luck, and God speed!"
I liked the Trident 8900 ISA and 9200/9400 VLB cards -- they weren't the fastest but they were rock-stable and the drivers were well-behaved, AND they have a really nice legible screen font, ideal for console use. They're still my card of choice for ISA/VLB systems (yes, I still support some and even own some).
But I've been gravely disappointed by every PCI/AGP Trident-based card I've seen. Slow as molasses, and the AGP cards have a shit screen font (apparently pilfered from an old Diamond chip). OTOH they do still get along with everything, and they're VERY cheap ($8.00!!), so I use 'em for testing hardware and for "anything that outputs a video signal will do" situations.
In short -- good points: cheap, stable, well-behaved, drivers always available, PCIs and earlier have a really good screen font; bad points: PCI and AGP are both slow as mud (MUCH slower than the claims typically printed on the box), *no* VESA 2.0 support in hardware (so can't do hires outside of Win32), AGP models have a horrible screen font.
But when I went to Trident's site to get information on one of the newer cards, I was presented with a long disclaimer which boiled down to: "Trident only makes CHIPS. Trident has NEVER made *video cards*, ever, period. We only supply drivers as a convenience to you. Don't ask us about any video cards, they're not our fault, we didn't make them, and we don't support them!!"
After reading that, I wrote Trident sales and tech support to this effect: "In that case, you'd better keep an eye on who you supply chips to, because these uniformly-awful recent Trident-based cards are giving Trident a bad name." (No response.)
Anyway.. since Trident disclaims making anything but chips -- my question is WHO IS MAKING THE "TRIDENT" CARDS??
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
I seem to remember a few hacks to programs running on C64s that would do exactly that...they would borrow the video memory and use it as system memory if you didn't have enough to run whatever it was you wanted to run.
If you could deal with the bottom or top third of video fscked up, you just scored a few K of free memory.
Geek used to be a four letter word. Now it's a six-figure one.
but ati is canadian originally, though they do a lot of manufacturing in taiwan.
get your facts straight next time seriously.
No silicon, no stats, no numbers, no real world testing... bah. Claims are claims, but if they are like the Parhelia debacle, it's not even a blip on the radar for Nvidia and ATI.
Also, by the time it comes out (if), the Ti4600 will have dropped to the sub 200 dollar level new or less thanks to the 9700. Tried and true hardware and drivers versus untried hardware and a recent history of crappy drivers with the last blade release. No contest.
I notice a lot of discussion about DirectX 8.1 and DX9 support (or lack thereof), but what about OpenGL? What version of OpenGL is Trident buying into with this new chip (1.2/3/4 2.0)? Which shader programmer will they support? Will they have their own extensions? If they are trying to get into the sub-$100 market, OpenGL becomes important since many low-end systems are used for non-Windows OSes.
More than once reading through the comments here I was on verge of puking.
You guys are so 133t.. At least you think you are.
Just face it. You are not the target of Trident, continue to spend $450 on card just so you can get a zillion fps in the newest, hottest game. The rest of us don't care.
If you read the article on Anandtech, you will see that it is not geared towards the high end gaming market. It is aimed towards Joe User who buys a couple of games a year, who like to see a couple of pr0n movies in high quality (or pictures). The only platform they really need to have a driver for is Windows. Linux (or rather XFree86) is unimportant. The market volumes are not in Linux, it is in OEM manufactured PC's running Windows Xp Home edition. Like it or not, but that is the cold, hard facts.
I have actually emailed Trident today to ask about drivers for XFree86 because it is a card I would consider putting into my Linux box to replace my old Voodoo 3dfx. I also need a new card for my Windows box, but I haven't decided what or when to buy yet, as I have a feeling we will see even more new high-end cards later this year. Given the right price/performance, I might buy a high-end card even though I do not need it. All the games I play work very well with my current hardware, but I see it is starting to show it's age, hence plans to buy a new card. (But then again, I also want to buy a new PC, bigger hard drive (200GB), DVD burner...)
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It's good that Trident is still trying to compete in the 3D graphics market, but all of their past 3D accelerated cards (at least all the ones I've read about) have had horrible support. It seems standard for Trident to release 1 driver set for each OS the card works with and then never touch it again. Disappointing really, as that means we'll probably never see the full potential of this card... I know it was that way for my Blade3D that I had at least.
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I have a Trident Cyberblade/XP in my laptop. The 2D acceleration is decent, but I haven't been able to find any 3D acceleration. It's also a little disappointing that the 2D acceleration is closed-source/NDA. If I could swap out a laptop video card, I would have long ago.
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my first graphics card was a trident! cheap computer parts rule
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hopefully, they'll focus on Linux compatibility. I don't need a bunch of flashy crap, i need an affordable card that can handle WindowMaker or KDE at 1024 or higher without being unstable if I swap back and forth to my virtual consoles. Riva TNT2 Ultra, as nice as it is for Half-Life on Win98, just doesn't offer me the same stability that my tried-and-true ISA Trident cards do (and that I still use in most of my boxes). And when it comes to servers, give me an antique Trident any day. Fortunately, affordability seems to be something they do have in mind...I just wish they'd come out with something that isn't trying to compete and put it out at sub-$50 levels so I can use a more stable card in my non-ISA boxen. Especially with how NVidia cards are with AMD's processors...
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Look, for someone like me, this would be a nice thing. I right now have a 32 meg Diamond Viper II card...it barely runs Unreal Tournament. hell, it wont even run most other things, This card is cheap as hell and promises basically a Ti card. I'd buy it. I sure as hell would.
If trident didn't have such a bad reputation for reliability (they stink fyo), gamers would probably get it, we're talking $200-300 for 20% performance. We all know Athlons are basically a better processor than P4, and they're less expencive, but P4's are slightly better in games. OEMs will probably just stick with their Nvidia TNT2, or maybe even a VANTA. So pathetic...
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
While Trident may have come up with a low-cost 3-D graphics card breakthrough of sorts, that's what SiS claimed with the 305 and 315 chipset cards, which proved to be a bit disappointing in 3-D performance.
I'm not sure if OEM's here in the USA want to install cards using the new Trident XP4 chipset, especially when you consider that for slightly more money OEM's can install cards with the ATI RV250 chipset, which will likely offer much better overall 3-D performance, especially for DirectX 9.0. Indeed, the ATI RV250 chipset cards are definitely aimed for the various small computer assemblers, and because of the cachet of the ATI brand name will likely be quite popular, too.
This is all purely anecdotal, but in 2000 I worked at a startup for about six months that was ultra-shoestring (even by the standards of most startups). Our developer workstations used these super7 motherboards with everything integrated on them (sound, modem, etc. pretty much everything but an ethernet card, for those we had $7 realtek cards). The graphics subsystem was by SiS (I want to say 635?), using 8mb of shared memory. *That was the crappiest system and video performance I have ever seen.* Hands down. How bad? Baaaaad. Like, move a window and it'd pick up blitting errors as it moved across the screen bad. Scroll text in a browser and the sound stream off the cd drive skips caliber-of-suck. To this day I'll travel miles out of my way to avoid shared memory video. Ever since then I've mentally expanded SiS to "Shitty, intensely Shitty".
Then, in the past three months or so, I've actually run across some pretty nice bits of hardware than were SiS-branded (one was a SiS 6236 (or was it 6326?) 8m pci card in a server, I was impressed that it's x11 performance didn't compeletely suck; the other is the SiS 735 chipset that gave a computer I built for somebody decent/good athlon performance and an integrated nic for the price of an expensive dinner). I was very suprised. Not that the products in question were earth shattering on an absolute scale, but when you compare them to what they'd been producing a few years back, the difference was just night and day. Sort of like running into the wastoid stoner dude you knew in high school, only now he's a high school physics teacher...
So I guess the moral of this is that past performance is not a reliable indicator of future behavior. (c.f. any mutual fund prospectus to see a graphic illustration of that ;-p)
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Hopefully I can pawn off this very capable but proprietary GeForce2 GTS onto my brother who uses Windows and get myself a well supported Radeon (of similar speed and without chip-fan possibly).