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AMD Makes 10-Nanometer Transistor
Yorrike writes: "Reuters is reporting that AMD are about to reveal their smallest double-gate transistor to date. From the article: 'The gate of the transistor, across which electrical current flows to turn the switch on, measures 10 nanometers, or 10 billionths of a meter.' The article goes on to suggest that this may lead to a 1 billion transistor chip."
i wonder how many houses you could heat with ine of these?
first post?
but until they name their procs with undeceptive names, I'll still wonder what's going on there.
We now have confirmed reports from an informed Orange County minister that Ethel is still an active communist.
But how many of these transistors would fit on a single human hair?
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
pretty soon amd will be making little plastic jesii that sit on your dashboard and say "OOOOOH LOOK AT THE RACOOOONS" hehehehe
that's assuming that you live in a locality that has racoons
In a similar story M$ puts billion bugs per OS
Dr. Evil: "And I will design a chip with transistors... 1 MILLION transistors!"
#2: "Uh, Dr. Evil, we've already designed a chip with 1 million transistors, quite a few years ago in fact."
Dr. Evil: "How many is a lot then?"
#2: "1 billion would be very impressive. We're working on that right now."
Dr. Evil: "Alright then... 1 BILLION transistors."
I don't see Moore's law holding up for much longer.
The gate of the transistor, across which electrical current flows to turn the switch on...
You mean there's another type of transistor?
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I know that the Brits have a habit of pluralizing collective nouns (i.e., "AMD are working on their...") but frankly, it sounds completely inane. AMD is a company. It is only one company. It is to be used in the singular form, such as "AMD is working on its..." Furthermore, I don't see why Slashdot allows something foreign like that to get posted on 9/11, of all days.
No offense, but I would appreciate it if you Brits could keep your little grammatical peccadillos to yourself for just one day. On the anniversary for the Canary Wharf bombing, you can post whatever you want. Today, we'd just like a little bit of respect.
This is the same transistor that IBM was talking about. They are sharing (or stealing) this technology. Electron microscope pictures are of the same transistor.
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
What, where's not going to benchmark on Mhz cycles anymore?
I can already picture this:
"Buy Intel's new Pentra Plus 2004, the only processor with a billion transistors!!!" (yay, men in blue dance yadda yadda)
"Piter, too, is dead."
Today, we remember all the trolls who died.
We remember you mr goatse.
every year I can process my pr0n faster and faster.
The metric system is the tool of the devil. Us Americans are supposed to measure these things in 1/16777216th-of-an-inch, and you know it.
Is it just me or is the Itanium supposed to have 13 billion transistors . I'm new to this stuff so please some one show me where I'm not reading this right. I'm looking at their ad in Wired and I see Itanium two with 13 billion transistors. ????? one billion that big of a deal....??? HELP!!!!!! I'm IGNORANT!!!!!!!!
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We british put the day first not the month.
Great, but AMD needs to get their .13 micron process stable first.
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Imagine the mass confusion if something really horrible were to happen in UKia on November 9th!
"9/11" would have true international significance!
That's not a billionth, that's only a thousand millionth.
A billionth would be 10^-12
Silly americans.....
There are only two things in this world that smell like fish. And one of them's fish...
HAHAH! You love it Intel! Let's see your 10 nanometer transistor. Well we probably will soon, but whatever...
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Just think about all the DRM they can pack into that baby!
To ensure perfect aim, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target
The earlier press release talked, in a half assed way, about the performance benefits. This one talks, in a half assed way, about the reduced size.
Of course, this happens because whoever digests these things for us unwashed masses doesn't understand what the hell they're talking about.
And the gate length has much more to do with the performance, not the transistor density, as the transistor density is dominated by the via sizes and interconnect sizes.
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
.... this would be the "wee" size. "Not so wee" and "friggin' huge!" are now obsolete.
"So small that they power the palm pilot used by the angel dancing on the head of a pin?"
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Thats such a gay karma whore. "Lets use a calculator garf guh huh garsh. Geeze guys I can use a calculator!"
Oh, a human hair. That clears it all up! What's wrong with relativistic comparison to things that are SIMILAR? Is it not okay just to understand that the smaller the process, the better?
10nm. Smaller than 90nm good. 130nm too. Wheeee! Bigger better faster more. Nothing to do with human hairs.
Why not put it in terms of the diameter of a hair from a Pig's ass? Why a human hair? How does the human hair help anyone understand how small soemthing is when its on an atomic scale?
Oh, yes, and 25bn xistors fit in the diameter of your thumb! And there are billions of atoms at a pinhead. SHUT UP. If your fart's atoms were all transistors, you just fartred out a PENTIUM 4!
How about this one, chew on this, time goes on -forever. Thats fover human hairs wide! Thats forever big bangs, that an ulimited number of episodes of Star Trek.
Its more important to try and tell people the change in voltage, current, why more transistors would help, etc. You telling me there is MA out there that can use MORE right now? How about failure rates? Why is it hard? You don't know you whore.
NO!
Here on Slashcrap, to be insightful or informative or interesting, you don't have to say anything important - or even correct, or even relavent. You have to say something popular or something that the "stupid masses" get easily.
Imagine the size of the heatsink you'd need for a chip with 1 billion transistors.
...and with the new DRM capabilities, it'll be able to do so much less.
-- Even if a god did exist, why the fsck should I worship it?
>For its part, Intel INTC.O plans to detail its development and manufacture of triple-gate transistors in a paper it is delivering at a technical conference next week in Japan, Intel President and Chief Operating Officer Paul Otellini told an Intel conference on Monday.
I do research on double-gate transistors. I have no clue what they mean by a triple-gate transistor. I think that this is another lame intel PR attempt. It's probably like when they made up a new name for FDSOI and called it depleted-substrate or some BS like that and got laughed at. They must want to be one gate better.
What pisses me off is that al this is well and good..intel finds this..amd finds that... but i hate WAITING for the tech. to actually be used to some benefit to the end user.
Yea. this means smaller and faster chips for amd..but when...10 years from now?
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Yeah this sounds great and all, but what about practical uses? I mean, will this really help porn viewing *that* much?
i just wanted you to know that wasn't funny. your attempt at humor is shit.
What's the deal with heat in relation to size of transistor? Would a smaller bunch of transistors grouped more ferociously together create more heat? ??
When will AMD realize that people don't care how *fast* their PC is, but that it has a life affirming, penis enlarging number attached to it!
How does this sound; the AMD 10 GHZ noipcon. Sure, it has the IPC of an 8088, but 10 GHZ -- lets see Intel beat *that*!
It's been a long time.
to use a lame coinage from the bowels of AOL marketing, emoticon; you use them too much, it makes you look like a prancing, traipsing online flaming fag. please stop.
1) It's a basic idea in engineering that when you are dealing with something abstract (and these are so small that they qualify), then you have to relate it to something familiar.
2) (To quote from Billy Madison)
what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
To make laws that man cannot, and will not obey, serves to bring all law into contempt.
--E.C. Stanton
Hey,
/newtcp/ HTTP/1.1"3 "
I noticed that Slashdot has a nasty bug, which, I imagine is a fault of
Slashcode. On certain occassions, you can find a very interesting Referer
string for some visitiors of pages mentioned on this site. One of such
entries:
63.XXX.XXX.175 - - [11/Sep/2002:18:13:33 +0200] "GET
200 33541 "http://slashdot.org/?unickname=dXXg&passwd=rXXXX
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826"
[lcamtuf.coredump.cx]
Go figure. This does not seem to be a consistent pattern, of thousands
hits from Slashdot only about 15-20 were like that today, so it seems like
a specific condition have to be met, yet it's not that uncommon - I'd
guess it happens right after you login and click on the link. I did not
investigate it too much, but it seems to me that Slashcode is fairly
popular and used in quite a few places - and that's a nice example of why
GET shouldn't be used for forms. This is based exclusively on the real
world observation of this pattern.
I gave Slashdot a short notice because it does not really matter how fast
you patch it - once public, people can grep their webserver logs for past
entries anyway.
--
Michal Zalewski
I wasn't trying to be funny. They DO run all over!
I think you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
Is this a SF story about a men who do not have two legs and two arms?
Could be.
Once the RIAA gets news of this I'm sure they'll find some hack think-tank that will make the proclamation that according to their data, there is a direct correlation over time between "Transistors Per CPU" and "Music Piracy". Lawyer parties will follow.
(When I started typing this, I was making a joke. But now that I've read it back a few times, this looks more probable than improbable.)
"A microprocessor... is a terrible thing to waste." --
GeneralEmergency
... (snaps suspenders)
I've got a 9 nm transmitter right here in my pocket I just whipped up the other day.
This space for rent.
Where on earth am I going to find a motherboard for a CMOS processor?
First CMOS, then Silicon, then Gallium (what ever happened GaAs anyway?), then Coppermine, and now back to CMOS with a silicon fin.....
Mmmrrrppphh, full circle you have come young Jedi.
-Yoda
Could you even see a Beowolf cluster of these?
So you, the pseudo academic loser quotes Adam Sandler to prove a point?
A testament to your moronic m.o.
You are like that crazy dutchman from Austin Powers 3, Goldmember. Do you eat your skin too?
You, an engineer? HAHAHAHHAHA. I would't trust you to engineer a McDonald's plastic toy.
And then, Mr. Scientist Engineer quotes someone talking about God laying mercy on someone's soul.
You've been reading Mary Shelly or some shit, talking all this crap with God and science.
[Rasta Voice]You want voilence, get yourself a gun. You want knowledge, get yourself a SCIENTIST. Your scarin' me now, Miistah Scientist!
Now I'm wondering if I should concern myself with getting a hold of a clawhammer or wait until they re-engineer them on a 0.01 micron process :) And since AMD acquired Alchemy Corp. imagine what kind of power you could pack in a PDA... say a really low power duron at 1GHz with some DDR chips (not modules of course) soldered on the PDA's board and maybe a mobile GeForce chipset...
Ah but that's probably 10 years down the road anyways... Sometimes it's painful to know about future technologies, but not be able to get em yet :)
It seems the real question of relevance rests in the new technology they're using to build these devices. The FinFETs have a nice writeup here. They can be built just with the defects from plateaus in normal photo-lithographic processes, thus using the nicely developed techniques usually limited to 125 nm structures to build 10 nm structures. This still means the overall transistor size will be on the order of a a few hundred nm, to deal with contacts, etc, but it is a sight better than standard 0.13 micron transistors, and much easier to use in mass production than e-beam lithography. (Just think about those old vector displays -- that's ebeam lithography for you). Seems like a fine idea for nanoscale structure building, and not one of these technologies may have impacts far beyond just standard IC circuit technology; with 10 nm devices, all sorts of quantum coherent processes become accessible, if you work for them.
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A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
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Try to suck less, please
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The Constitution poses no threat to our current form of government. (Death to those who defile the root documents of a free nation to make economic freedom Supercede Freedom! Freedom First! Free market Second!)
Occam's Razor "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily." "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" "Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora" "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" Translation: " "Simple explanations are preferred to complex ones" Modern fucking translation "JUST DO IT."
Reading Slashdot at anything above -1 is like trying to put a shit filter on your ass.
Get busy moderating this down, you little pack of obedient prefects of the corrupt state! You are the vanguards of purity, and dissent is not allowed!
... I would have expected tail fins measuring a little bit more than a measly 10nm !
'The gate of the transistor ... measures 10 nanometers, or 10 billionths of a meter.' The article goes on to suggest that this may lead to a 1 billion transistor chip." :(
Does this mean the new chip would be 1/10th of a meter. Man, I thought chip size would shrink with time
10 Nanometer you say? Whats that in Thickness of Human Hair?
..There's a-dooin's a-transpirin'
And were OFF!
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/. puts the smack down, he breaks a chair over his head, and beats the gay Raul within an inch of his life.
./, the news reports Raul won, and marks any and all reports that are true, reporting FREEDOM from moronacy on /. WON, are squelched - marked as troll, or flame bait. (More like flamer bait)
The mental midget comes flying out of the pink corner with a gay attempt at a full-ass-nelson!
Combatant for justice quickly dodges Raul's homo attack.
Raul, liking the fact his pink wrestling bikini is now wedged up his ass, reckons he can beat the superior fighter against retardation on
Raul, prances around the ring like a light-on-your-feet homosexual, trying to elicit some response from the crown. A deluge of eggs and tomatoes quickly make this gay snark realize he needs to reach down in his belly, past the pond of cum his gay lover just squirted in his mouth, and reach down deep for the strength to beat the FREEDOM from moronacy on
He does a flying butt-plug drop kick, and FREEDOM from moronacy on
Of course, this being
Raul still feels good. He is battered, and bruised. But he gets to go home to daddy. And all his gay friends tell him he is a superstar, and that was just wonderful.
But Raul, the rest of the world KNOWS you are a fag, and you can pretend its normal, but its not. You are a mental midget, cum-licking asshole rimmer.
The ultimate system, in my opinion, would use a multistate transistor with ON, OFF, and a dimmer function for everything in between.
Check out the reviews of the 2400/2600+. A lot will actually overclock to ~2.5 GHz now. They've got headroom again. Get over it.
Is there a preference setting where I can filter out total bullshit rants posted by Anonymous Cowards?
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Hey, write an inline proxy, and filter the HTML inline yourself. Oh, I forgot, you are too fucking stupid to do that. Why don't YOU come up with an expert system to filter out "crap"?
You see, asshole, since "opinions" are SUBJECTIVE, "crap" is subjctive. I happen to fing that rant more true than not, and I would want the said filter to remove YOUR shit.
See, thats why choice is imperative. if you dont like it, dont look, much less reply to it. IDIOT.
Is there a button I can press to kill communist shitheads like yourself?
Is there a preference to remove fucktards?
Bless you, AC. I love reading at -1. I like the idea of deciding for myself what is interesting and what is not.
Writers imply. Readers infer.
Hmmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
billion = 32K x 32K (2D) 32 trillion = 32K x 32K x 32K (3D)
The article goes on to suggest that this may lead to a 1 billion transistor chip.
Does it require a radiator to stay cool?
I guess it's good that you weren't then, because I don't think you could haul a worse joke out of your ass without help.
The gate of the transistor . . .measures . . . 10 billionths of a meter. The article goes on to suggest that this may lead to a 1 billion transistor chip."
So then, wouldn't the chip need to be at least 10 meters across? (10E-9 * 1E9)
It's rather funny to watch AMD and Intel battle it out in the R&D departments, arguing over whose silicon dick is smaller.
The opinions stated herein do not necessarily represent those of anybody at all. Deal with it.
a beowolf cluster of these?
You get the AC's with something good to say, but cut out a lot of bullshit rants and crappy trolls. Have fun.
IBM makes the chips for amd,thats how amd lowers
there cost.outsourceing fabrication.
Insanely Large Scale Intergrated Circuits?
Ridiculously Large Scale Integration
The two naming conventions were in fact devised at different times by the Frenchmen Chuquet (1B=10e12) and De la Roche (1B=10e9). The De la Roche system was in vogue at the time of the revolutionary war (or the colonial rebellion take your pick) and that usage has remained current in America ever since.
This is similar to the changed spelling and pronounciation of aluminum (=> aluminium) in an attempt to systematize its naming. This only occured after the industrial revolution made the once rare metal commonplace and hence the original naming has been preserved in America.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.