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Computerized Betting System Proves Vulnerable

count3r writes "A front page article in today's New York Times reports that an employee of Autotote has been fired for (allegedly) hacking the system responsible for 65% of all horseracing bets in North America. The caper, if it is indeed a caper, resulted in a series of six bets that paid a total of $3,000,000 in last Saturday's Breeders' Cup."

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  1. dumbass. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    WHy not just hit them up for several thou a week? Like theyre not gonna notice a 3,000,000 blip.

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    1. Re:dumbass. by unicron · · Score: 2

      I think the temptation would be too great. Greed is a powerful thing, and perhaps that big score was just too hard to resist.

      On a side note, their are so many Office Space jokes running through my head right now that they're getting stuck, like two fat guys trying to go through an open door at the same time.

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    2. Re:dumbass. by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sounds debatable to me. On the one hand a huge payout will garner a lot of attention, but on the other hand committing a fraud over and over every week sounds quite high on the risk scale too.

      As a bit of background regarding this, these guys didn't transfer from one bank account to another, or some other thing that's caught "in the books": One purportedly made an electronic bet, and the other altered the electronic bet after the fact to match the winners. It really isn't that ridiculous of a scam as people do win every now and then. It isn't entirely inconceivable that someone one.

      Having said that, it is the duty of responsibility of the operators to exercise due diligence, and truly not trust anyone: i.e. all databases have multiple layers including audit logs, in this case catching his transaction as it occurs for future analysis. In this case I presume that exactly that happened, as they obviously caught him.

    3. Re:dumbass. by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      WHy not just hit them up for several thou a week?

      Maybe because it's not a simple matter of hacking into the system to change a ticket, assuming he actually did that?

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    4. Re:dumbass. by nolife · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know a guy that was arrested for a fraudulent 900 scam. I do not know the details of HOW it was done but.. He had a 1 900 Job Line provided by MCI. He rigged it to fake calls and rack up his payout from MCI. In one month MCI owed him almost $400,000 for some cheasy job line. Times were tough back then but not that bad! At the MCI office, an FBI undercover handed him a check and then immediately arrested him.

      I'm sure a smaller amount would not have been as obvious and he may have been able to sustain it. Of course these horse cheats in the story could have started small years ago and have just now got caught.

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    5. Re:dumbass. by why-is-it · · Score: 2
      On a side note, their are so many Office Space jokes running through my head right now that they're getting stuck, like two fat guys trying to go through an open door at the same time.

      A minimum secrutiy prision is no picnic. I have a client in there right now. He says the trick is, kick someone's ass the first day or become someone's bitch. Then everything will be alright.
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    6. Re:dumbass. by ACNeal · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is that betting is all pool driven.

      A lopsided payout will be noticed, not because someone one, people always win in a properly booked race/game/whatever, it is that the payout was disproportionate to the take.

      If you make your book properly, you aren't making money off of people losing their bets, you make money off of the vig. Your payouts and take should roughly be equal if you did your books right.

      A horse isn't a 100:1 long shot because the book maker thinks its a bad horse. The horse is a 100:1 long shot, because off all the betting dollars, only 1 out of every 100 dollars was bet on that horse.

      The only way the house wins is to avoid making stupid bets. How does the house avoid making stupid bets? By nt betting. If I make sure that the other 99 dollars are going to cover your 1 dollar bet, and I collect the 10% vig from the losers, I make money, and don't have to worry about the long shot.

      Legalized horse betting does the same thing, except since they can't charge a vig to the losers, they don't make a 100% payout. That way, no matter who wins, they have made sure they can cover the bets, and still make a profit. In this scenerio, the winner pays the vig in the shape of the odds aren't as high as they should have been, the winner didn't win as much as was proportionally alloted to him.

      The reason why this was a dumb scheme, and the reason why they got caught is pure math. The track paid out more money then they took in, and immediately knew something was amiss. If the systems worked properly, that can't happen. Long shots hit all the time, even 100:1 long shots, but if your computer system adjusted the odds according to the bets made before post, you won't lose money.

      The fact that they changed the bet afterward means that the odds were wrong. Of course most people don't realize these subtelties to book making, so probably thought it wasn't a dumb mistake.

    7. Re:dumbass. by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      he reason why this was a dumb scheme, and the reason why they got caught is pure math. The track paid out more money then they took in, and immediately knew something was amiss. If the systems worked properly, that can't happen. Long shots hit all the time, even 100:1 long shots, but if your computer system adjusted the odds according to the bets made before post, you won't lose money.

      Obviously you understand horse racing. Having said that, I question your claim that it's entirely pool driven. Most tracks offer multiple win wins that are many multiples the win for a single race. i.e. If this guy changed a single $1 bet for #7 in the 3rd to be a $10000000 bet, then that seems obvious. If, on the other hand, he changed a $1 bet (so $6) for #7 in the 1st, #2 in the 2nd, #4 in the 3rd, etc, for $6 races, and the track offers a mega win for six successive wins, the difference that his bets make in the win is miniscule.

    8. Re:dumbass. by GMontag451 · · Score: 2

      I may be completely misunderstanding you as I have absolutely no gambling experience, but are you saying that the odds are set (or changed) *after* people place their bets? If so, isn't that fraud? If not, how do they know beforehand how much people will bet on each horse?

    9. Re:dumbass. by andynyc · · Score: 2, Informative

      are you saying that the odds are set (or changed) *after* people place their bets? If so, isn't that fraud? If not, how do they know beforehand how much people will bet on each horse?

      In horse racing, yes. The final odds are not known until after all the betting has ended, right at the start of the race. The track's computers tally up all the of the money bet on each horse, take out the vig (usually 18% or so on straight win bets, more on more exotic bets), and then determine how much to pay back to each winning ticket.

      It's not fraud at all, it's how pari-mutual betting works. Bettors understand that all the money bet will be placed in the same pool... the money I bet now joins money previously bet, and the money bet in the future will be added to that. It's common to bet a horse at 4-1 odds, and at post time the horse is only 3-1 or perhaps 6-1.

      Just as a simple example (no vig), I can make a bet a 10 minutes before post time, at which time $250 has been bet on Citation, and $750 has been bet on Secretariat. Thus, at this time, Citation pays 3-1. When the race goes off, a total of $1000 has been bet Citation, and $2000 on Secretariat. Now Citation is only 2-1. Doesn't matter that he was 3-1... only that in the final pool, he is 2-1. Sometimes it goes in your favor, sometimes the other way.

      In the end, this is the most fair... every player is betting against each other, not the house. No bookmaker is required to keep all the odds in line, the pool does it automatically. It also means that tracks aren't afraid of successful players, because they take a percentage of every dollar bet, win or lose. The track just wants to keep the total amount bet as high as possible.

    10. Re:dumbass. by andynyc · · Score: 3, Informative

      The reason why this was a dumb scheme, and the reason why they got caught is pure math. The track paid out more money then they took in

      No, the win did not pay out more than the track earned. Each winning ticket paid $428,392 from a pool of $4,569,515, which means that there were probably 8 or 9 winning tickets in total, nationwide. The guy they are investigating had 6 of them.

      Having 6 of only 9 winning tickets is obviously unusual. His betting strategy is even more unusual... making single selections for 4 races, then "wheeling" then entire field for the last 2, which means if the first four come in, he's guaranteed to win. Combined with the "flaw" in the system which doesn't report the ticket to the central database until after the fourth race, this is an obvious red flag. Finally, making the same bet 6 times is simply stupid. It's the same as buying 6 lottery tickets with all of the same numbers... the only justification is to increase your percentage of the winner's pool if you KNOW you are going to win.

      Think of recent Powerball lottery wins... if they announce there were 6 winners, and one guy shows up with 4 of the winning tickets, it's going to raise eyebrows.

      Had this guy never made these wagers, most likely there would have been 2 legit winners, each of whom would have won about $1.8 million (or maybe 3 winners each getting $1.2 mil). Instead, since there were a lot more winning tickets, the payout on each was reduced to only $428 thousand.

      Again, the track didn't lose anything, and if they disqualify his tickets, the money will get paid to the legit winners. That's how pari-mutual wagering works... the total pool is calculated, the house percenatge is taken out, and everything left is split among the winning tickets. When there are 9 winning tickets, each one gets paid less than if there were 3 winning tickets. The racetrack is unaffected. The legitimate winners are the victims.

  2. Pallidum would have solved this. by _LORAX_ · · Score: 5, Funny


    DRM will be our savior.....

    Oh wait, he required that kind of access to do his job? So DRM wouldn't have helped. What do you mean that most hacks are inside jobs? .... nothing to see, please move along.

  3. What happened to the old days by nogoodmonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    when people used to give horses steroids so that they would win their bets. All this new technology is confusing!

  4. No registration by DeadSea · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or why don't we look at one of the many articles that don't require registration. Darn NYTimes.

    1. Re:No registration by aridhol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey...I have an idea (not that it will be accepted). Why don't we stop allowing registration-required links on the front page? Including free-registration. We can now find many sources for the same story with Google News, so there's no reason to keep linking to NYT.

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    2. Re:No registration by jimand · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Note that if you follow this link, there is a link to the NYT story that you can see without registration. The URL ends with "&partner=GOOGLE" so it seems that if you are a partner of the NYT, you can access articles without registration. Could /. apply to the Times for partnership status?

    3. Re:No registration by 1984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have another idea. Why don't you presume to never pay for anything, ever? To live in a fantasy world where all you have to do is consume.

      (Or perhaps you don't mean that, in which case I apologise. But I'm getting sick of seeing people here with the attitude, "We're all for 'Free'. And look, we can just take shit! Stick it to the man! Yeah!")

    4. Re:No registration by bwdunn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Replace GOOGLE with SLASHDOT and you are in.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/29/sports/othersp or ts/29RACI.html?ex=1036472400&en=51e22b7df3931513&e i=5062&partner=SLASHDOT

      Linked to Partner "Slashdot"

    5. Re:No registration by elmegil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      it's even simpler than that. You don't need the ex, en, ei values. And it doesn't care what partner is set to: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/01/sports/otherspor ts/01RACI.html?partner=YOMAMA works just fine. Brilliant coding, I must say.

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    6. Re:No registration by mblase · · Score: 2

      Why don't we stop allowing registration-required links on the front page? Including free-registration.

      Slashdot itself requires a free registration to post even off-topic comments like that one, so besides being needlessly elitist, it would be just a bit hypocritical.

    7. Re:No registration by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      not a good point. The newspapers and news organizations make money off of advertising. in all likelyhood they got this story from another source (which is why we see it from other sources)

      they make tons of money off advertising - and requiring readers to register for their stories is rediculous.

      I cant stand all the people who try to argue for the registration on a site that is just going to give you a story that is available from other sources without such restrictions.

      Do you pay for a subscription to slashdot? i doubt it - and if it was required from the first day, i doubt you would even be here....

      News is information that is meant to be free. If I want opinionated biased *stories* I will pay for it. If I want news about whats happening in the world around me - I will get it from traditional news sources with a very long history of subsidizing the cost of production through advertising. The model has been like that for a very long time - and by the amounts that most major news anchors make, I dont think they are hurting - or even would be hurting from our wanting of free access to the "news" they are offering.

    8. Re:No registration by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

      Another option:

      Go through the free registration. Is your time really that valuable? You're reading Slashdot, aren't you?

      Tell them that you're a 90 year old high school dropout millionaire from Afganistan (which is usually the first country on the alphabatized list). Give your email address as Fake@AOL.com (might as well waste some of their CPU time while you're at it).

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    9. Re:No registration by Jugalator · · Score: 2

      That sounded more like a Flamebait to me. Give me one reason to pay for a service when there is another that exceed the quality of the former, while being perfectly legal. Besides, the guy didn't even complain about pay sites, but sites that requires that you go through a lot of steps just to simply read an article.

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    10. Re:No registration by DEBEDb · · Score: 2

      In the time it takes for you to type this,
      you can easily register as a 123-year-old
      polynesian software engineer, earning 400,000
      a year. (If you are one, pick another
      example :).

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    11. Re:No registration by plover · · Score: 2
      Google is now reporting this Slashdot story as the second news link to this article, in order of relevance.

      I think that says volumes about the dangers of automated news agents.

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    12. Re:No registration by 1984 · · Score: 2

      Most of them don't make tons of money on their online operations. And it's reasonable enough for them to ask for registration anyway; since they provide the service, they can set the terms by which its offered.

      When you register, you're using your personal details as currency, to pay for the access. You're buying that access the same as anything else. They provide a service, you pay to use it. If they provide one and ask you to pay and you say, "No, it should be free!" then you're just being naive.

      Nothing you say makes a cogent point against registration sites. You just say that you don't like them. Fine, don't like them -- there are alternatives. But don't pretend there's something "wrong" in the model.

    13. Re:No registration by 1984 · · Score: 2

      The mistake you make is thinking that this is about somthing 'free' (as in beer). It's not. You pay to access the NYT site, with your personal details. Then those details are sold on. You can buy it, or not buy it. As people are fond of pointing out: there are alternatives. But all this whinging about how stuff shouldn't be sold and should instead be free sounds like fifteen year-olds talking about how the world could be great if only they were running it.

      (BTW. Apologise: British variant of apologize.)

    14. Re:No registration by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      I've written a lot about this before on slashdot... but i cant find the comment. There are a lot of reasons why registering and using your personal details as currency is a very bad thing.

      I choose not to register for news - period. I just think that my personal details should never be used for currency. and their monetary pull from their non-online operations is plenty. I dont have to register to purchase a newspaper. I dont have to register to purchase any other information in the world - but all of a sudden because its online - its ok for my personal details to be used as a matter of currency? thats rediculous. you should hold yourself at a higher level of worth than that.

    15. Re:No registration by 1984 · · Score: 2

      I do (typically) hold myself in a higher regard than that. I don't like the use of personal details as currency, because they're non-generic. Cash (and equivalents) are generic: you give someone universally exchangable "value" for their product or service. Once the cash transfers, you're done. Personal details on the other hand are always "you", no matter how long and perverse a journey they make beyond that first transaction. You keep paying, as it were. I won't put words into your mouth, but I think that's what you're saying?

      I don't like that at all. I'd rather pay a subscription fee.

      But really, it's our reponsibility not to reward terms of service we dislike by not using that service. It's not "unfair" that sites like the NYT ask for registration -- it's their choice. If you dislike the registration burden more than you like NYT news, walk away. Same as anything else.

      This is a divergent point from pointing out that everything isn't going to be free always, and wondering when some people might come to realise that. Neither "Everything free always" or "someone else always pays for it" represent a stable framework.

    16. Re:No registration by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2

      I definitely dislike the registration process, but I do not think that all things should be free.

      I do, however, fell and expect that NEWS should be free - because that is how we have been made to expect NEWS, by the model that has been in place. The thing is that we do pay for news when its in a printed form, like a newspaper. You have probably noticed - or maybe you havent, that newspapers are very very cheap. 35 cents - for the most part. The reason is that in order to ensure that a large number of people buy the newspaper - they sell it very cheap. Then they charge large sums for advertising spece (because they reach a wide audience).... but for the user this news source is subsidized - by the advertisers. So - it is definitely not free. You have to give a small amount yourself, and you get a big fat newspaper in return - with lots of ads and hopefully lots of good news.

      Now the main point here is that the paper version of the news costs the user very little - fractions of a dollar, and is completely anonymous. This means thatthe advertising has to be much more broad because of the anonymous factor of the readership.

      The online version is still partially subsidized by advertising relationships - but its much less efficient due to the fact that the online readership is smaller. However - here we have the opportunity to eliminate the anonimity of the readers. This gives a much greater potential for return on investment for the advertisers - and makes a whole new possible pricing model for the sale of advertising space based on targets.

    17. Re:No registration by 1984 · · Score: 2

      I'm not failing to understand the differences between paper and online advertising -- I watched the .com boom from inside a magazine publisher that sprouted a large online presence (starting with a "Z"... short guess) and things were exactly as you describe in the magazine business, too.

      My point is that "they" will offer whatever looks like it might make or save money right now. It's up to us to say "no thanks" by voting with our feet. Not to be outraged that they have the audacity to try to turn things to their advantage in the first place.

      (And yes, I think news should be free, too.)

      Craig.

  5. Not too smart. by Desmoden · · Score: 3, Insightful


    I will never understand how people come up with good, well thought out crime plans, and then totally screw up the execution by rushing things or bring too much attention to the project. Just dumb.

    1. Re:Not too smart. by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 2

      this was my thought exactly. I think the reason the "dumb crook" stories are spread around so joyfully is that we WANT to belive that all criminals are stupid. I don't believe it. Even among homicide, the most henious, most investigated crime, there are a lot that go unsolved.

    2. Re:Not too smart. by jazman_777 · · Score: 4, Funny
      I will never understand how people come up with good, well thought out crime plans, and then totally screw up the execution by rushing things or bring too much attention to the project. Just dumb.

      Well, the brilliant plan to milk billions from the Federal Reserve Bank in Denver is still going strong, undiscovered.

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  6. So? by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buttloads of $ vs. determined individual: vulnerability.

    Someone will always find a way to steal and no matter how good your security, when you have the human element on the inside, you are vulnerable. That's why auditing to detect theft is as important as securing against it.

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  7. This wouldn't have happened when the mob ran it! by webperf · · Score: 5, Funny

    see what happens when you legalize it??? all these crooks get in and screw it over.

  8. No way! by zuggy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nah, it can't be vulnerable. Online betting is trustworthy. Why, as soon as I get my bonus back from the Nigerian Petroleum Company, I'm going online to bet on the ponies!

    1. Re:No way! by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Nah, it can't be vulnerable. Online betting is trustworthy. Why, as soon as I get my bonus back from the Nigerian Petroleum Company, I'm going online to bet on the ponies!

      This isn't "online betting." Autotote is the electronic system used to place bets all across the country. You could be at an OTB (off-track-betting) center placing a bet on a race getting ready to run at Saratoga in a few seconds.

      And it's not like people normally get screwed out of their winnings. This guy is getting put on hold because of suspicious circumstances. It has nothing to do with how he placed the bet or betting "online."

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  9. What they did... by f97tosc · · Score: 2

    Some posts seem to be some confused about what they did. The scheme was simply to change one guy's (electronically registered) bettings after the race was over, with the help of an insider.

    Tor

  10. I used to write betting software by yamla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Until a little over a year ago, I was employed at a company that wrote gambling software for sports betting houses. It is big business, let me tell you. :) If anyone has any questions, fire away and I'll answer them.

    I never put any backdoor code into anything I submitted but it would have been very easy to do so. We had well over 300,000 lines of code and very little of it was audited. The only problem would have been getting the backdoor in without other programmers noticing as everyone was responsible for different areas. Still, I know it could have been done, I can picture exactly what it would have taken to do so.

    Would it have been noticed? Possibly eventually, though I have my doubts. Apparently, there was a bug in our code for one of the complex bet types. It ended up _always_ overpaying a specific complex winning bet type by $1. That is, it always rounded up to the next dollar instead of down and this bug went undetected for YEARS.

    All the code was written in VB and we worked crazy amounts of overtime ALL the time. Additionally, the 'business experts' could never get their act in gear and agree to how things should work. I ended up resigning my position.

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    1. Re:I used to write betting software by WatertonMan · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Actually wasn't there a huge scandal in Las Vegas a few years ago where someone hacked a lot of the slot machines to screw with the odds? If I recall it actually was one of the distributors of the slot machines. So it wasn't some obscure employee but some people fairly high up in the company. But it is the same idea.

      I'm sure that had the company tried to screw over one of the bigger casinos that they'd have been caught. (And depending upon the casino probably taken care of independently from the police) However so long as regular people are getting screwed, they don't care.

      Same thing with gas stations. Once again I remember a scheme that extra charged gas slightly using computers. Nothing but a few cents on every fillup. But it added up. Once again more the company themselves. But how hard would it have been for an employee to do it?

      The only thing that keeps these schemes for working for individual employees is the cost/danger ratio. These schemes are only worth the risk if you make a fair amount of money. But to make a fair amount of money you have to get that check from the company which is then noticable by the company auditors. If the "checks" or "expense" is spread out over thousands of people, the auditors are far less likely to discover it. But by the same measure you are far less likely to be able to make use of the money.

    2. Re:I used to write betting software by yamla · · Score: 2

      Hey, don't blame me. VB was a very bad choice, in my opinion, for this. The user interface was too complex and we had far too many lines of code. The decision to use VB was made very early on, before the scope of the project was realised. The architecture seriously suffered as a result, the code was almost entirely interdependent. Oh well, I got the hell out of there. :)

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    3. Re:I used to write betting software by tongue · · Score: 2

      Its my experience that when a bunch of knuckleheads get together and decide on the Next Big Thing, they prototype it in VB, then hire a bunch of people to work on it and the prototype ends up being the final version.

      the company i'm with now works exactly the same way. i should have resigned years ago, but stuck it out. now we've finally got an owner who knows what the hell is going on, so my stock options might be the last remaining ones out of the 20th century to be worth more than toilet paper.

    4. Re:I used to write betting software by smileyy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I recall seeing a story about a programmer who reversed engineered the pseudo-random number generator used in Keno games. The impression I got was that it was a clean-room solution, and yet he was arrested for fraud anyway. Needless to say, I disagreed with the notion that his act was illegal (assuming it was clean room).

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    5. Re:I used to write betting software by AntiFreeze · · Score: 2

      Heh. I somewhat remember a diatribe about this from Office Space when they attempt to do the same thing to their company's banking software.

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    6. Re:I used to write betting software by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A long time ago I used to write software for computerized gambling games, such as draw poker. One of the features of the software was being able to dial in a certain payback percentage. The way it worked was that when it drew the final hand (after the cards were held), it would decide on a random basis to redraw the hand if it was a winner. If it was paying out too much, it would gradually redraw the hand more often until it was back to the right payback.

      Anyway, one of the problems we had was that our payout amount field was only 4 digits for a maximum of 9999 coins. The problem was that you had the option to play up to 50 coins at a time, and the highest payout odds were 500 to 1. So management had me make the machine NEVER pay out the big winner if you bet 20 coins or more to avoid the problem.

      The latter was probably illegal, but this company was pretty shady. I didn't work there for very long, and they went bankrupt not long after.

      I still look at the machines in Vegas with suspicion, though. :)

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    7. Re:I used to write betting software by Graff · · Score: 2
      I somewhat remember a diatribe about this from Office Space
      And I remember a similar plot used in Superman III, where Richard Pryor's character steals the partial cents from his employer. I think that they even mention Superman III in the movie Office Space.

    8. Re:I used to write betting software by smallstepforman · · Score: 2

      Buddy, these days every line of code is audited by a Government agency, and if they find a backdoor or payout tweaking, you can kiss your licence goodbye (manufacturer), and they would not get a licence for the next 15 years in that jurastiction. Other jurastictions take note of these incidents, and audit the devision in their jurastiction. Since every manufacturer knows this, they have enourmous compliance departments whose sole job is to ensure the legality of the software.

      The government agencies these days also supply the random number generator to all manufacturers, and if the source code was displayed on the slot machines to every patron, and you had a BeoWolf cluster of G4's, it would take you 10^8 years to figure out the next RNG outcome, assuming you can hit the spin button with an accuracy of 250 micro seconds, which is when the RNG is reseeded.

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    9. Re:I used to write betting software by russiste · · Score: 3, Informative

      You've got a great memory - that was 6 years ago. :-)

      Here's the story from "The Risks Digest" ("Forum on Risks to the Public in Computers and Related Systems").

      Basicly, they caught the guy, and then released him and even gave him the money back with interest.

      The "source" of the problem? A missing clock that was supposed to seed the random number generator. Thus, upon rebooting (every morning I suppose), the same number sequence would be generated as the seed would be the same...

      Greg

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    10. Re:I used to write betting software by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 2
      Interesting story ...

      but the best line in the whole story has to be:

      Police are continuing their investigation to find out if the clock was missing when the game was delivered or whether it has been stolen.

      Now is it me, or would it be a bit difficult to steal a clock from a slot machine?

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    11. Re:I used to write betting software by Cryptnotic · · Score: 2

      No, the casinos don't want that. They don't want it to be completely random, because eventually in that randomness, there would be a string of payouts long enough to bankrupt the casino (unlikely in a slot machine, it might not happen for 1000 years, but it is still theoretically true). With pseudo-random number generators, they can analyze the output and make sure that strings of events like that do not happen. Anyway, you do not even want true randomness. You want an even distribution of numbers and you want it to be absolutely unpredictable to the players.

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    12. Re:I used to write betting software by karlm · · Score: 2
      Which PRNG? Somone replied to one of my other posts, saying something about m68k assembly and squaring of a 128-bit number. I took this to mean a quadratic residue generator.

      Blum-Blum-Shub would be vulnerable with only a 128-bit modulus. So it seems that either his company didn't know what they were doing, or he was mistaken about the PRNG. (The person claimed to work on other parts of the code, but to have known about the PRNG.)

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    13. Re:I used to write betting software by Servo · · Score: 2

      Myself and a coworker witnessed a McDonald's employee overcharging people in the drive thru.

      She would ring up their order, and tell them it costs $1 more than what it actually did. She wouldn't give a receipt, so you rarely really noticed. She would pocket the extra buck, and we estimated that she was probably making an extra $100 a day doing this.

      We complained to the manager several times, but she never got fired. Who knows what was really going on.

      Incidently, this was AFTER the time when all other McDonald's had switched to the "viewboard" so you could see your order and your total before you got to the window.

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    14. Re:I used to write betting software by packeteer · · Score: 2

      How often do you check to see that you REALLY got $20.00 of gas. Do you measure it out down the the fluid ounce. Probably not. If The tank ifs full or you have spent enough money you pay and go on your way. What if they put half a cup less in your tank? It would be a free $0.10 x the billions of fillups a year.

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  11. Re:I don't mind by perlyking · · Score: 2

    What if a hacker steals from someones children?

    We are all someones child after all :)

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  12. Stealing from common criminals? by Spoke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You obviously know nothing about the horse racing industry. While there may be some shady characters out there, most people in the scene are just your average blokes who are hoping to win a couple bets while at the racetrack. Those are the guys who eventually end up losing because of people who cheat the system.

  13. Picking 4 Horses by richlb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If it turns out to be cheating, it just goes to show what happens when you want too much too soon. You know, just winning $1,000 or $10,000 probably wouldn't have raised an eyebrow.

    And, I wonder how often this bet hits? Technically, the bet was really picking the winner or 4 straight races, plus betting on every horse in next 2. I won a trifecta once that paid a cool grand. To think, if I'd only tried for one more......

    If they're guilty, they're idiots.

  14. This is not the way to go. by Prince_Ali · · Score: 4, Informative

    A lot of people make a lot of money on internet gambling sites without breaking a single law. The people who play online poker suck so bad compared to professional poker players that it is like printing money for anyone who plays the game seriously. I suck which is why I don't play, but a lot of people are willing to give up there hard earned money to a redneck who has played poker since before he could write.
    It may not get you $3M, but they won't have to work anymore, and they don't get put in FPMA prison.

    1. Re:This is not the way to go. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but "professional" poker players are dweebs and geeks on a scale to make Everquest players look like well-adjusted humans. At least they talk to one another and have fun, instead of a few words before eating a greasy comp "meal" at Binion's snack bar before heading to the tables for an 8-hour shift cooperating with their cronies to throw jackpots.

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    2. Re:This is not the way to go. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      Example: Me and my little brother are two such rednecks (well, sorta) my little bro currently makes about the same amount of money weekly playing online poker tournaments as he does at his job.
      If I ever get the free time to go back to playing I'll probably do at least as well. Last time I played I turned 20$ into 140$ in 5 days. So it's not hard.

      Kintanon

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  15. Not really hacking; still a problem... by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is, just as the article said, a misuse of power, rather than a skillful hack. If I remember, isn't hacking usually prosecuted over the fact that the person obtained illegal access by knowingly circumventing security measures? He was given clearance as part of his job; he misused his security clearance, he didn't gain unauthorized access.

    In any case, I'm surprised that ANYONE has the access to modify bets. Shouldn't that info be encrypted or protected or something, kind of like how your Bank's customer service rep can't look up your pin, but can only reset it to a new pin?

    1. Re:Not really hacking; still a problem... by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      In any case, I'm surprised that ANYONE has the access to modify bets. Shouldn't that info be encrypted or protected or something

      Yeah, but then how would the employees be able to go in and create winning tickets after the fact?

      I mean, that's a perk for working at autotote, like stock options.

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    2. Re:Not really hacking; still a problem... by aiken_d · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but the database *coders* for your bank could easily reset your pin, or code an app such that when the teller goes to reset it, it always gets set to some value that they'd know.

      This wasn't a case of a front-end person, working the phone banks, manipulating data. If it was indeed a hack/theft, it was someone with access to the code and/or database itself. Encryption doesn't do you much good, there.

      Cheers
      -b

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    3. Re:Not really hacking; still a problem... by Erasmus+Darwin · · Score: 2
      "If it was indeed a hack/theft, it was someone with access to the code and/or database itself. Encryption doesn't do you much good, there."

      There are some ways in which it could help. For example, imagine a two machine setup where machine1 accepts bets and cryptographically signs them (including a timestamp) using a private key known only by machine1. Machine1 then passes the bet off to machine2 for a second timestap/signature and longer storage.

      Under this system, an attacker would have to subvert both machines in order to place a retroactive bet. If the attacker only subverts machine1, then the machine2 timestamp won't be correct for a bet supposedly placed in the past. If the attacker only subverts machine2, then the stored machine1 signature will be wrong.

      Of course to make the system viable, you have to implement policies to make it difficult for a single person to get access to both machines. If someone's responsible for uploading the final betting data to the track, for example, they'd only get access to machine2.

      It's not a panacea, and it also doesn't help that they're holding the bets until 4 of the races are done, but it does increase the difficulty of subverting the system if it's properly implemented.

  16. Another one by wiredog · · Score: 2
    From the Sports Section of the Washington Post.

    Well, they do want some registration stuff, but nothing identifiable to you.

  17. VLT Backdoors? by Rikardon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here in Alberta, Canada we have VLTs (Video Lottery Terminals) that let you play a number of different card games and other assorted forms of gambling on a touch-screen terminal. They're a HUGE profit center for the pubs and bars that host them, and for the provincial government. If I were a VLT programmer of questionable moral character, it would be awfully tempting to code a backdoor triggered by some easter egg-type series of screen touches that would let me score a couple hundred dollars at each terminal.

    Anybody ever heard of anything like this happening in real life? As an earlier poster said, if you kept your take down to a couple thousand a week, I think it would be pretty unlikely you'd get caught.

    1. Re:VLT Backdoors? by scottmartinnet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IIRC, someone did this with video poker in Vegas. A certain series of bet amounts (number of coins inserted) triggered a sure royal flush. They were smart, spread out the wins, and weren't caught for a long time.

      There have been a lot of very smart scams that were caught. It makes you wonder how many extremely smart scams were never caught. I remember watching a show about that stuff, and there was a security consultant with this quote: "A casino is the only place in the world where you can steal millions of dollars and if you do it right, no one ever notices that it's missing."

    2. Re:VLT Backdoors? by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 2, Funny

      His death cry as he fell: "Beeeeeeeeeeee Foooooooouuuuuurrrrrteeeeeeeeeeennnn" *splat*

  18. Can't secure gambling, eh? by epcraig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They want us to vote online?

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  19. Another computerized wagering event coming up: by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    Tuesday's elections

    Fortunately, all of those systems are closed, so I'm sure that security was motto number 1.

    Of course, motto number 2 was "Ignore motto number 1".

  20. Nitpick / Details by LookSharp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    resulted in a series of six bets

    Was was reading this yesterday, it's actually interesting. It wasn't six bets, it was one bet on six consecutive races (called a Pick 6, apparently). The ticket cost over a grand just to purchase.

    Apparently, the winning ticket including the first 4 race winners, followed by picking every horse in the field for the 5th and 6th races. This was suspicious because the betting management company allows the bets to be submitted during simulcasting through the end of the 4th race to prevent system congestion, according to the article.

    The theory is that the employee submitted a fixed bet at the end of the 4th race. The ticketholder himself, apparently unrelated to the employee who is under investigation for fraud, claims that he is innocent, and is telling the company to put up some evidence or give him his 3 mils.

    I dunno about you, but I do detect a strong odor of fish. On the other hand, if the lottery hit for this guy and he is legit, more power to him.

    1. Re:Nitpick / Details by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      One thing I don't understand, is shouldn't there be some record of what his actual bet was? A paper ticket stub, something? Is the ONLY place the bet is recorded inside this one singular computer system? Is there no information redundency here?
      I mean, I know if I was placing a bet that might win me 3 million bucks I would want a paper receipt that had my name on it as well as my bet so that I could point at it and say, "Luck mutherfucker, your piece of paper says I win, so gimme my fucking money!"

      Kintanon

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  21. Just wait... by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 2, Insightful
    OK, maybe there were some glitches with electronic betting. No big deal, it's only gambling on horses.
    Fortunately, such a thing could never happen with electronic voting machines.

    Right?

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  22. Things you don't do by El_Smack · · Score: 5, Funny


    Tug on Superman's cape.
    Spit into the wind.
    Rip off the NY mafia to the tune of $3,000,000.

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  23. Re:This wouldn't have happened when the mob ran it by ShawnDoc · · Score: 4, Funny

    The same thing happenes when the mob runs things. Its just instead of it making it into the paper as a "hacker" story, it would wind up in the paper as "Headless Body Found in East River".

  24. Obligatory Karma Whoring...The NYT Article. by jacobcaz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Worker Dismissed as Inquiry Widens Into Big Racing Bet

    By JOE DRAPE

    As the authorities investigated whether an exotic bet worth $3 million on last Saturday's Breeders' Cup horse races was rigged, the company that processed the wager said yesterday that it had fired a "rogue software engineer" who exploited a weakness in its system.

    The company, Scientific Games Corporation of New York, said it had turned over the employee's name and evidence of potential wrongdoing to the state police and state wagering officials.

    The employee attended Drexel University in Philadelphia with the winner of the bet, racing officials and a state investigator said.

    The head of the company, Lorne Weil, said the worker had the access and know-how to breach the system run by the company's subsidiary Autotote, which processes 65 percent of racing wagers in North America.

    Industry and law enforcement officials said that the F.B.I. had joined the police and the New York State Racing and Wagering Board in the inquiry of the wager, known as a pick six, which requires bettors to pick winners in six straight races. Payoff on the bet, made through the Catskill Off-Track Betting hub by telephone from Baltimore, has been held up.

    Investigators are also looking into whether there have been questionable payoffs at other tracks. "This goes beyond one afternoon and the East Coast," said an investigator, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    Though Mr. Weil tried to calm investors in his conference call yesterday, his disclosures pointed up the vulnerability of the $14.5 billion-a-year betting industry for which consumer confidence is crucial.

    As racing has become more reliant on off-track and telephone betting, it is also depending more on a network of computers that link tracks and off-track sites. If the systems are proved flawed, or susceptible to manipulation, it could scare off bettors worried about the integrity of the process.

    "There needs to be total review of the system so everyone can feel good and see that these things are not widespread," said Bill Nader, a New York Racing Association vice president. "Without integrity in the way a wager is processed, we don't have a sport."

    The case in question involves the pick six bet on the last six races of the Breeders' Cup, horse racing's season-ending championship. The entire winning pool was held by Derrick Davis, a 29-year-old Maryland man who made the bets by phone.

    Investigators are looking into whether the computer system was manipulated so that a bet made after several races had been run would appear to have been made beforehand.

    Though Mr. Weil did not name the dismissed employee, the state investigator and racing officials identified him as Chris Harn, 29, who worked in Autotote's offices in Newark, Del.

    Mr. Davis owns a Baltimore-based computer networking business, Utopian Networks Inc., but said yesterday that he was a knowledgeable bettor whose winning tickets were legitimate. "I didn't do anything wrong here," he said, refusing to elaborate and referring questions to his Baltimore lawyer, Steven A. Allen. Mr. Allen said his client was cooperating with the authorities and had nothing to hide.

    "He is caught in the middle of a maelstrom," Mr. Allen said. "As far as he's concerned, he made a legitimate bet. The race was run, and he won, and he should have received his payoff. And that should have been the end of it. Now, instead, there's an investigation, people are making a variety of wild accusations, and his reputation is being sullied for no good reason."

    Thomas Davis, Derrick's father, said his son grew up in Baltimore and attended engineering school in Pennsylvania, but would not be more specific. "I just think it's like the equivalent of his hitting the lottery," the father said. "I know in the bottom of my heart that it's a legitimate bet."

    Stacy Clifford, a spokeswoman for the state wagering board, would not comment on the personnel involved in the investigation or its progress.

    "The board routinely involves other organizations in its investigations and will involve law enforcement if it feels appropriate," she said. "They fired this person in connection with what happened Saturday, and since we're investigating what happened Saturday, we're certainly looking into it."

    What started the investigation last Sunday was the configuration of the winning tickets and that they belonged to one bettor, Mr. Davis, who called his bets in by phone to the Catskill OTB hub, one of five regional corporations that, with New York City OTB, handle off-track bets in New York.

    The winning tickets featured "singles," or races with only one horse selected, in the first four legs of the ticket, and then every horse in the final two races. On a $2 ticket, those combinations and strategy cost $192.

    Mr. Davis bet a $12 pick-six ticket, or played that exact combination six separate times, costing him $1,152. It was a highly unusual strategy for betting the pick six -- horseplayers like to cover as many combinations as possible -- and the configuration raised suspicions of New York Racing Association officials, who alerted Breeders' Cup Ltd. and the state wagering board.

    Mr. Davis had opened the Catskill OTB account within two weeks of the Breeders' Cup, had deposited money on five occasions -- four increments of $500 and one of $250 -- but had not made a bet until that pick six, according to investigative sources.

    The six winning tickets were each worth $428,392. In addition, by including every horse in the last two races, the bettor collected 108 of the 186 consolation payoffs for hitting five of six winners; each consolation ticket was worth $4,606.20.

    After an initial review on Monday, officials for Autotote and Catskill OTB said the tickets were recorded about 20 minutes before the first leg and appeared legitimate. But after further review, Mr. Weil said, the company determined that the fired employee had taken advantage of a weakness in the processing of bets.

    While the tickets were logged and totaled at satellite sites such as Catskill OTB, they were not transferred to the host site, Arlington Park outside Chicago, until after the fifth race when the exact bets were verified. In this state of limbo, Mr. Weil said, the employee, who had the password to the data system, was able to alter the ticket after the results of the first four races of the pick six were known.

    When Scientific Games announced the firing, trading in its stock was suspended on Nasdaq for more than 20 minutes. The stock closed at $7.62, down 57 cents. Mr. Weil maintained he was confident Autotote's systems were impenetrable to outside hackers.

    "I think people see this for what it is -- a rogue individual bound and determined to exploit the only weak link we see in the system so far," he said.

    1. Re:Obligatory Karma Whoring...The NYT Article. by aengblom · · Score: 2

      Obligatory request to MOD THIS DOWN!

      NY Times only asks that you spend 30 seconds of your life to make a login. They don't spam you and they won't sell your e-mail. Support the media when they create something you're actually interested in. CLICK ON IT... or just go to the Google link. Or DON'T READ IT!

      An interesting question: Why can't Slashdot get a partner link like Google has.

      Feel free, to mod ME down with the above post.

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  25. This is pretty funny... by Loki_1929 · · Score: 2

    I have several friends who work for Autotote (as well as some who work for Amtote) and they're all laughing their asses off over this whole thing; especially the media coverage.

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    1. Re:This is pretty funny... by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      Hey, hurray for AmTote! I worked for them (well, technically for World Wide Wagering Systems, but we programed the systems for them and worked in the same building & stuff) back in the age of steam, around '83. Gotta' say, this wouldn't have happened on my watch, but then, I was doing the ontrack stuff, and it wouldn't even have occurred to us to hold a bet until after the race was run -- it went into the back-end immediately, performance and congestion be damned, for exactly this reason. Back then, men were men, and TIM's were TIM's, and Truth and Justice were Truth and Justice.

      Any chance they can get OTB back, now that AutoTote has covered themselves with shit?

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  26. Anyone who's tried this hates it... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I work for a major supplier of in flight entertainment systems and we are always getting pressure from customers (especially on the Pacific Rim) to implement in flight gaming (i.e. electronic poker or slots). While some of our competitors have dipped a toe into this, we have pretty much steered clear to date.

    The fact is that implementing a gaming system is a nightmare, be it on the ground or in the air. IMHO, quite a bit more difficult than point of sale or banking systems. In addition to being secure, it's gotta be completely fail safe (so if a passenger's terminal goes down seconds after a jackpot he won't loose his winnings and take it out on the cabin crew). Also, it's going to be transaction heavy - hundreds of smaller, individual bets over a gambling session as opposed to, say, a higher end credit card transaction every minute at a department store cash register. If you add in the fact that gambling is a potentially addictive activity that piques the interest of organized crime, you have a recipe for any disaffected insider to slip in hacks and back doors.

    On the whole, I'm not surprised that someone corrupted a gambling system. I'm just surprised that this doesn't make the newspaper more often.

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    1. Re:Anyone who's tried this hates it... by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ...it's really racist of you to mention that dig about the Pacific Rim demanding gambling.

      (*SIGH*)

      No racism intended - it's just a fact that Pacific Rim airlines have been primary movers in in flight gaming. Gambling is more accepted there than in the West, with less stigma attached. No Asian businessman expects to get dirty looks from another passenger if he drops a bundle of his own money on blackjack, but I bet you (yes, lame pun intended) that you'd see a lot of that on any US, Canadian, or European carrier (exception: I know Swissair has at least tried gaming. 'Don't know if it's still going strong). And when you think of it, they've got a point - what business is it of anyone how someone looses their cash?

      Also, the U.S. flight attendants' unions fight airborne gaming tooth and nail. As my cousin, an attendant for Delta told me "So now they'll expect us to deal with a guy who's both drunk *and* has lost $500?!"

      Again, this is just a simple observation of cultural differences. The fact is that most of our Asian customers (the arilines) don't understand why we regulate gaimng so strongly in the U.S. Once we pitch the technical (and regulatory) challnanges, though, they usually decide to request different features in lieu of gaming.

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    2. Re:Anyone who's tried this hates it... by DEBEDb · · Score: 2

      I think the parent was making a sarcastic
      comment about race-relations courses... Lighten
      up...

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  27. Software is insecure by adb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Also, the ocean is wet, and there is porn on the internet.

    Just so you know.

  28. What's next? by oiuyt · · Score: 2, Funny
    Next we'll find out that people cheat on things that DON'T pay like SETI@HOME stats....


    -B

  29. Vulnerable, Period by gradji · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm trying to figure out why people think computerized betting is any more vulnerable to fraud than the non-computerized variety.

    The Breeder's Cup incident was an inside job! There have been numerous Casino incidents where employees have tried to scam their employers. A security system is only as good as the people with whom the system is entrusted. This is true for physical security as well as computer security.

    Lastly, criminals are not, inherently, stupid. It only seems like that as the stupid ones are the ones that usually get caught. Borrowing from Kaiser Sousay (Kevin Spacey) in Usual Suspects : the greatest trick a master criminal has ever pulled is convincing the world that a crime has not been committed.

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    1. Re:Vulnerable, Period by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

      Borrowing from Kaiser Sousay (XXXXX XXXXXX) in Usual Suspects

      Doh, and thanks for spoiling the movie for anyone who might not have seen it.

  30. Wake up with a horse's head next to him.... by wowbagger · · Score: 2

    This guy had better be very careful in the next few years, no matter what happens in court - the sort of folks who are involved in gambling are not known for taking such matters lying down.

    He may very well wake up one morning with a horse's head in his bed.

    Or more probably, wake up to that particular clammy feeling one gets from freshly mixed cement around one's body....

  31. Hmm...Next week's headline? by voice+of+unreason · · Score: 3, Funny

    In other news, shortly after being dismissed the former employee had an unfortunate accident resulting in the breaking of both his kneecaps.

  32. Much stronger disincentive tho by unicorn · · Score: 2

    I bet the average geek would think a lot harder about crossing Vinnie, and risking death, than just risking a little jail time.

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  33. I have friends who work (and worked) there... by kelleher · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two relavent bits of info:
    1) They fired the QA department due to cutbacks over a year ago.
    2) There is no "Production Control" group. The same people who develop the apps support them (with little to no oversight). They have never had a way of preventing this type of fix.

  34. Re:This wouldn't have happened when the mob ran it by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 2

    One time I found santa lying dead in the living room. I asked my dad why santa was dead and he said: "Son... Sometimes.. Santa gotta get whacked."

  35. He needn't worry about the authorities... by bshroyer · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's organized crime that's going to get him. Revenge.

    I see evidence that this guy is pretty lame - he's dumb enough to screw up a good scam his first time out by shooting for the moon. We can't assume that a novice is the first person to find this scam, but AutoTote indicates he's the first to be caught.

    I'll wager dollars to doughnuts that he's just closed the loop on a lucrative betting system being utilized by any number of "organized" gamblers, and will be hearing from a guy named Vito in the near future.

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  36. Re:Drexel CS Student? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2
    As with Tyco and Arthur Andersen...the only crime is they were caught.

    Drexel rules! I hope to work for a Drexel MBA at some point in my career.

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  37. Why it was so suspicious by donutello · · Score: 2

    It was not a matter of just getting one lucky bet right.

    In the Pick-6 scheme, you get a jumbo prize if you pick all 6 winners correctly.

    What this guy did was buy a number of bets - each for $12 (that's probably all he had available). In each of the bets, the winners of the first 4 races were the same and he chose every possible combination for the winners of the last 2 races. Sounds like he knew who was winning the first 4 races and bet on every possible outcome for the last 2.

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  38. "Wasn't that dumb"?? by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 2

    It was a relatively expensive and complicated bet based on the cumulative outcome of six separate races... and he placed the exact same bet six times.

    Once you've done that, putting a flashing marquee on your front lawn that reads "cheating the OTB out of millions of dollars is my very smart, infallible plan" is officially redundant.

    1. Re:"Wasn't that dumb"?? by Multiple+Sanchez · · Score: 5, Informative
      The winning tickets featured "singles," or races with only one horse selected, in the first four legs of the ticket, and then every horse in the final two races. On a $2 ticket, those combinations and strategy cost $192.

      Mr. Davis bet a $12 pick-six ticket, or played that exact combination six separate times, costing him $1,152. It was a highly unusual strategy for betting the pick six -- horseplayers like to cover as many combinations as possible -- and the configuration raised suspicions of New York Racing Association officials, who alerted Breeders' Cup Ltd. and the state wagering board.

      Mr. Davis had opened the Catskill OTB account within two weeks of the Breeders' Cup, had deposited money on five occasions -- four increments of $500 and one of $250 -- but had not made a bet until that pick six, according to investigative sources.

      The six winning tickets were each worth $428,392. In addition, by including every horse in the last two races, the bettor collected 108 of the 186 consolation payoffs for hitting five of six winners; each consolation ticket was worth $4,606.20.
      snip.

      It's still confusing no matter how many times I read it, but it sounds like he made six identical bets, when the point of the pick-six ticket is to place several different bets on one ticket. Anyone who can clarify this a bit more, please do.
  39. Bad design... by airrage · · Score: 2

    So from the article we can deduce there is a disconnect between the actual placing of the bet to the actual determination of a payoff. What they need is a chain-of-evidence system, so that bet's are placed (stored securely), once the race is closed for betting, the records should be posted to a new server (stored securely), then finally at payoff, the two records should be verified to have have been tampered with. Of course, this Engineer could have known both databases, but in this case you could insure no one person has rights to both databases. Of course a conspiracy of two is possible. My final problem with this is what about a one-way hash on these things: hasn't Kumar in India ever read about database encryption, why should an Engineer be allowed to see the plain-text record anyway? Otherwise you set HORSE_NBR = 5 (High Chapperal).

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  40. Re:Too much too quickly... by archeopterix · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If they hadn't tried to hoover it all at once they could have kept it going for years... but then, criminals are by definition stupid, so there ya go.
    Criminals stupid by definition? So who commits all those unresolved crimes? Or has the crime detection rate jumped up to 100% recently? Maybe the police & FBI & DEA & whatever are just dumb? Unfortunately I think there are smart criminals, you just don't hear about them.
  41. High-risk, high reward by f97tosc · · Score: 2

    I am sure you are perfectly right in that it is a royal pain in the butt to get an inflight gambling sytstem to work properly.

    That being said, I am sure it is just a matter of time before it is commonplace. The payoff is just too high, and the airlines are just too hard pressed to let go of a profit opportunity like this.

    Tor

  42. Go and handicapping similar. by buswolley · · Score: 2, Interesting

    handicapping is a lot like the game of Go. Its all about pattern recognition. What the patterns translate to.Computers have a hell of a time being good at it.

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  43. Similar case with bingo by HeroicAutobot · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This reminds me of a similar story about a programmer for GameTech rigged their bingo machines to let him cheat.

    Is there some development methodology or practice a company can implement to protect itself from "rogue" programmers like this? The NSA / CIA / FBI / Pentagon must have software that they want to guarantee is uncompromised. How do they do it?

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  44. What's really dumb is ... by Greedo · · Score: 2
    ... the way the betting system worked, according to this article:

    An investigation this week by the Daily Racing Form revealed that while the amount of a Pick Six bet is transmitted immediately to a central computer, the horses selected are not often transmitted until after four of the six races have been run. Skeptics believe there is a window of opportunity here to change the selections after the winners are known.

    Charge the company that programmed the betting system too, why don't you!
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  45. Re:Too much too quickly... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2
    You have to watch which criminals get you.

    My little brother won a Tri-Super jackpot at a greyhound racing track a few years back. He hit three dogs in order (trifecta box) in the first race, and having won that he could then try to guess the first four dogs, in order, in the next race. Needless to say, he hit all four in order, otherwise I wouldn't be telling the story. He won $360,000. Half was split with an off-track bettor who picked the same dogs. Out of the remaining $180,000, $135,000 was left after taxes. Alas, my little brother was 16 at the time, and thus ineligible to bet - the money legally went to my mom's evil lawyer husband. My little brother got a brand-new Chevy Malibu LS (sport version), and little else. The husband spent it all on deer hunting trips, Reno gambling loss trips, and Jack Daniel's Tennesee Whiskey. Oh, and he beat the living shit out of our mom, too.

    A few years later, the Malibu had been wrecked, my mom discovered him cheating on her and divorced him (he could beat her as well as me and she wouldn't leave him, but cheat on her and he's divorced, go figure), and all the money was gone.

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  46. Re:From the horse's mouth by uncoveror · · Score: 3, Informative

    Scientific Games also does lotteries. Here is how they are rigged. Only the gangsters running the rackets make money from gambling.

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  47. Re:(-1, Offtopic) by binaryDigit · · Score: 2

    Right but "Rosebud" and "Crying Game" because of the movies they are have their "secrets" pretty much known to everyone. I still run across a lot of people who have never heard of the "Usual Suspects", so giving that away has a lot more meaning than those examples that you gave. Almost like me giving away the "secret" to "The Ninth Configuration" vs "The Sixth Sense".

    Plus, yes, the attribution at the time of reading wouldn't mean anything to those reading it. But as soon as they started watching the movie they'd immediately would make the connection, especially since KS is such a big star now (unless of course their short term memory is like mine, in which case they'd probably forget they read it, what movie are we talking about again?)

  48. Re:(-1, Offtopic) by macdaddy357 · · Score: 2

    This one will really blow your mind. Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's Father!

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  49. Re:Keyser Soze by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2

    I see your Keyser Soze, and I raise you C. S. Lewis.

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  50. Re:answer by Evil-G · · Score: 2, Interesting

    On race tracks... I don't know if this still goes on, but have you ever seen a man stood on a box waving his arms about like a mad seal at a race course? They are signalling the odds of different horses in some kind of sign language.

    I believe the name is tic-tac man... aha, ive found a link which explains it a bit better here

  51. Re:Sorry I had to... by andynyc · · Score: 2, Informative

    This does not affect the profit or loss of the racetracks and pari-mutual organizations ONE CENT. The pool for the pick 6 wager was $4,569,515... and the track is obligated to pay that amount back, less a "hold" percenatge (that the revenue for the track).

    If this guy's winning tickets are disqualified, it will only increase the amount paid back to those who legitimately won. I'm guessing because I don't know the exact hold percenatge, but there were probably 8 or 9 winning tickets, each paying out $428,392. 6 of them belonged to the man in question. If his tix are disqualified, it will only mean that the $2.5 million that they were worth will be disrtibuted among the valid winners.

    Under no circumstances will the racetrack make or lose any extra money as a result of what happens. If there were no other winners, the pool would either be carried over, or paid to the consolation winners (5 of 6). Most tracks employ the carry-over (to the necxt day), but this is the Breeder's Cup, which is a special, nationwide, once-a-year event, so the rules may be different.

  52. From Texas by PingXao · · Score: 2

    True story: A guy I work with in NY is from Texas. He had a meeting with someone from the database group last week, and when he came back, he was telling us about the things "That Russian guy" told him. Well, the DB group doesn't have any Russians in it, so we asked him who he was talking about. His answer: "You know, the Russian guy with the beard. Vito." Once you've been to Texas things like this don't really surprise you anymore.

  53. Two different systems by Goonie · · Score: 2
    In Australia, there are two different odds systems for racing (thoroughbred, trots, greyhound):

    One, which is the one you get by default if you bet with the off-track betting agencies, is the one described where the odds change *after* you have placed the bet. The agency takes their cut, and the rest is distributed to people who placed winning bets in proportion to the amount they bet. An Australian developed an early analog computer, the totalizer, to automate this process in the 1920s(?), thus continuing Australia's long history of being a world leader in gambling technology ;)

    Bookmakers at the track instead offer fixed-odds betting - any individual bet is at known odds, though they can and do adjust them nearly continuously.

    As to your question as to how bookmakers offering fixed-odds bets know how to judge the odds, they follow the patterns of bets very closely (nowdays often with the aid of computers) and keep track of information about the horses they are offering bets on. However, bookmakers can and do lose money on a race. Some very rich men (notably a guy called Kerry Packer) make a habit of screwing bookmakers each year at Melbourne Cup day.

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  54. Registering isn't paying for it. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    Not in any useful matter.

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  55. I used to work AmTote, not AutoTote. by buss_error · · Score: 2
    I worked for AmTote for a number of years, so herefor I know of which I speak.

    It's common practice to transfer the matrix of a pick 6 after the 5th race is official. The is because of the size of the matrix otherwise.

    My question is "where was the state supervisor during this?"

    I'll refrain from saying more here, but beleive me, there is a whole lot more to this story than's been said, and a lot of things that will tell the tale if anyone looks.

    I can tell you that during my time with AmTote, the tote operator couldn't change bets at all, only place a bet (just like everyone else did, at a ticket machine), or he could cancel them. And big muddy footprints all over when he did. I don't know that this is still the case, but I would think so.

    In all honesty, I have an axe to grid with AutoTote, because of something one of their operators did to me during a race. Doesn't matter now, I guess.

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