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"Red is Dead" Optical Mice LED Change

A reader sent us the HOWTO for changing that red LED on your fancy-pants new optical mouse to blue - or, I suppose any other color. I think I'm fine with what I've got - although, the glass tops on tables does make using optical mice a pain there.

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  1. why?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You don't really stare at the light under your mouse do you?

    1. Re:why?? by GT_Alias · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Cuz d00d....it's 1337!!

      Serously, why do you need to ask why? Present a geek with a gadget, and he will find some pointless way to modify it, just for the sake of modifying it.

      Me? I think it'd be cool as hell to have a blue LED light under my mouse.

    2. Re:why?? by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Still, MSI color their mother boards, including ports, etc in a purple hue. I'm pretty sure they'd get the material in that boring green color easier, but it's all about standing out of the crowd. Same reason to why you'd make your LED blue.

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    3. Re:why?? by nmg196 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Matters not, whether you can see it.
      Red, it is.
      Feel it, you can.
      Blue, it must become.

      The force is not strong with you... Much to learn you have.

    4. Re:why?? by BigBir3d · · Score: 3, Informative

      interesting story here.

    5. Re:why?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I changed my LED a few years ago, I also overclocked the mouse sensor to 8x its shutter rate. When my friends ask me why my mouse works better than theirs, I tell them it's because I have a blue LED.

    6. Re:why?? by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hah. That's nothing. I overclocked my mouse sensor to 10x. Of course, my palm is occasionally injured by the blades of the cooling fan, but I found the extra precision is useful for negotiating a bloody mousepad...

    7. Re:why?? by vogelap · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sheesh... Just 10x? I did mine to 10.3x and then a week later OC'd it to 11x oversampling.

    8. Re:why?? by Mike1024 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey,

      I think it'd be cool as hell to have a blue LED light under my mouse.

      When I first read that I thought you said house, and I pictures a building raised up, with blue light eminating from under it, like a modded car.

      That'd be kinda cool...

      Michael

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    9. Re:why?? by Decimal · · Score: 2

      You don't really stare at the light under your mouse do you?

      I use my red-mouse light to blank out the memory of certain people I meet, just like the Men in Black do. I'm hoping to update mine to the blue version mentioned in the article to come in line with the sequel.

      It really works, too! Watch, I'll demonst...

      Who are you?

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  2. what about ultra-violet? by dirvish · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can you use a black light?

    1. Re:what about ultra-violet? by meatspray · · Score: 2

      Not too sure about UV but most ccd's are sensitive to infra-red.

    2. Re:what about ultra-violet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      UV LED light output sucks right now. There are severe materials limitations in their construction. However, if you had a bright enough UV LED, it should be possible. Just don't use IR. Si is transparent to IR, and this is most likely what the detector is made out of.

    3. Re:what about ultra-violet? by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


      Yeah, that would be smart. All over the world geeks would be getting major sunburns on their right palms. :P

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    4. Re:what about ultra-violet? by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Goes with the friction burns on their left palms.

      Oh well, Karma suicide for a good joke....

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    5. Re:what about ultra-violet? by binaryDigit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, that would be smart. All over the world geeks would be getting major sunburns on their right palms. :P

      Thereby ruining their sex lives.

    6. Re:what about ultra-violet? by zbuffered · · Score: 2, Funny

      Speak for yourself, lefty.

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    7. Re:what about ultra-violet? by k_187 · · Score: 2

      Douglass Adams wrote the Hichhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I'm picking nits but felt like pointing that out anway.

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    8. Re:what about ultra-violet? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      As opposed to the usual friction burns.

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    9. Re:what about ultra-violet? by dead_penguin · · Score: 2

      I figured this one out a few years ago by accident. I was playing with a video camera that had an IR remote control which I was using to start and stop recording. Since I was recording myself, the remote would be recorded at the start and stop of each segment. Whenever I was pushing a button, it looked (on tape) like there was a pulsating white light coming from the remote's "business end".

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    10. Re:what about ultra-violet? by ep32g79 · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if you are left handed?
      W00t I'm safe!

  3. logitech is blue... by b_pretender · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When I bought my Logitech optical a 1.5 years ago, I stopped at RadioShack on the way home to pick up a blue LED. I was planning to change it first thing when I got home.

    However, upon pluggin my mouse into the computer, the logitech logo and mouse in general glowed blue!!! I was happy. Although the LED on the bottom was red, they had an *extra* LED that was blue for the logo and the *glowing* plastic. That made my day and it involved NO soldering.

    1. Re:logitech is blue... by Wiseazz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm looking at my Microsoft optical now... it looks like it also has a seperate cosmetic led for the logo on the back... I may just try swithcing that out instead of risking the one used for tracking (there may just be one... I haven't taken it apart to check).

      An optical mouse is still a little expensive for me to experiment with. As in, my wife won't let me :)

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    2. Re:logitech is blue... by Verteiron · · Score: 2

      My IBM optical has that as well; the tracking LED is red, but the mousewheel glows a bright, even blue. I've never had a better mouse than this one.

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    3. Re:logitech is blue... by Wiseazz · · Score: 2, Informative

      Red + Blue = ....Purple? :) Hmm... don't know about that.

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    4. Re:logitech is blue... by Urox · · Score: 2

      I bought mine from a computer store clearance sale. Either $5 or $10 (can't remember which). I'm sure if you hit up craig's list or some other such for computer clearances, you'll find what you're looking for.

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    5. Re:logitech is blue... by ProfessorPuke · · Score: 2

      I got a logitech optical mouse with the extra blue LED- and I hated it! Why? Two reasons: it increases the device's power draw for no good effect, and as a non-red light, it ruins your night-vision if its plugged in in a dark room (the underside light dims when not in use, but not the tail-light). That thing is bright!

      Some Microsoft mice also have a useless extra light on their rear, but at least its red, and at least its a simple ovoid shape, and not a sharply defined logo.

  4. Fix for glass tabletops... by MyHair · · Score: 5, Funny

    although, the glass tops on tables does make using optical mice a pain there.

    Rub some sandpaper over the part of the glass where the mouse will be. Problem solved!

    1. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 5, Funny
      Or maybe if you had some sort of special pad that went underneath your mouse...

      Oh, wait. Nevermind.

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    2. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by Shelled · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's what I use, two spare pieces of 8 x 12 inch grey matrix arborite, glued back to back to prevent warping and the edges rounded with a router. A very thin and flat mouse pad with a fine, random pattern which makes a perfect surface for opticals. Will never wear out and cleans with Windex.

    3. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by rworne · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Not so offbase after all. I went to the Apple Store for the release of 10.2 and they were handing out Jaguar-themed mousepads to all the customers. I asked the store manager why they were doing so, since Apple has released only optical mice for years now.

      All I got was a knowing smile and a shrug.

      What I do know from experience on my woodgrain desk, it that an optical mouse works VERY well on a mousepad compared to the normal desk where the cursor would tend to jump around a lot.

      I love my optical mouse mainly for the smooth tracking and the lack of "mouse smegma" that builds up on the balls.

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    4. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by InnereNacht · · Score: 2

      Even being like 1/8" off of a solid colored surface causes problems so a picture probably wouldn't work. Those things are awfully sensitive. You need almost direct contact with the surface for it to be useable. You could put the picture on top of the glass, but then why not just use a mousepad? ;p

    5. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by jandrese · · Score: 2

      I'll tell you why. When I have my optical mouse right on the desk here at work, it has a terrible slippery/grabby feel to it. It just feels rough. When I put it on this nice cloth mousepad I picked up at a tradeshow, it glides smoothly over the surface and feels much softer. The mouse is also silent on the pad, whereas it makes a scritch/scritch sound on the wood.

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    6. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by dead_penguin · · Score: 2

      Etched glass looks much nicer for table/desktops than clear glass, IMO. And it's much better for hiding fingerprints and other crud. Not that they'd ever install anything like that for us here at work... :(

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    7. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by freaker_TuC · · Score: 2, Funny


      Don't you have any respect for your old network equipment ? Who uses a router "to round the edges" to put his mouse on? :)

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    8. Re:Fix for glass tabletops... by shogun · · Score: 2

      Don't you have any respect for your old network equipment ? Who uses a router "to round the edges" to put his mouse on? :)

      Aaaah! I think that explains the mysterious downtime when the networking guys have just gotten some new furniture.

  5. Resolution by DrLudicrous · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I wonder if the resolution on these mice is at all wavelength dependent. If it were, than a blue LED would be superior to a red LED, since blue is at about 400nm and red is closer to 700nm.

    I do have to say that a blue LED mouse looks about 10X cooler than a red one. But it looks like this type of project will only interest serious modders who have some cash to spend.

    1. Re:Resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ohotodetectors are primarily limited by the bandgap of their material. The bandgap of a Si or even a GaAs detector should be able to handle most optical wavelengths. Due to price limitations, I'm fairly certain that mouse manufacturers would choose to use a Si detector. They choose a bright red LED because that's cheaper than anything else out there too. GaInN blue leds are a little pricey, even in volume manufacturing.

      As long as you don't use an infrared or longer wavelength, you should be ok. Si is transparent to IR.

    2. Re:Resolution by lirkbald · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you can move your mouse to a precision of 700nm, I'm very impressed :-)

    3. Re:Resolution by MadCow42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Better yet, if the mouse was sensitive to 700nm movements, I'd be impressed if he could actually USE the thing...

      Let's see... 700nm would have to equal one pixel movement, right? That means that for a full 1280-pixel travel across the screen, he'd only have to move the mouse 0.896mm (I think). That's some pretty impressive motor skills!

      MadCow.

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    4. Re:Resolution by theLOUDroom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you can move your mouse to a precision of 700nm, I'm very impressed :-)
      I know I guy who could probably do this.
      He's a neurobiology professor.
      He says he used to be able to hold his hand steady to within one wavelength of light. I haven't seen it but, I bet it would be pretty impressive to watch. Of couse, without a nice microscope, you might as well not watch at all :)

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    5. Re:Resolution by karnal · · Score: 2

      Regardless of the beam used, you would ultimately have to have the SENSOR be more sensitive. The wavelength has little to do with the resolution (although, certain wavelengths probably work better with certain sensors....)

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    6. Re:Resolution by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      I wonder if the resolution on these mice is at all wavelength dependent. If it were, than a blue LED would be superior to a red LED, since blue is at about 400nm and red is closer to 700nm.

      IIRC this wouldn't be too practical for cordless optical mice, as the blue would take more energy to generate the same amount of light. Any physics person want to support/correct me?

    7. Re:Resolution by lostchicken · · Score: 2

      He's full of it.
      The ground moves more than that, or I wouldn't have to use a very, very expensive pneumatic table for optics. And if the ground moves, you'd move too, right?

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    8. Re:Resolution by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's see... 700nm would have to equal one pixel movement, right? That means that for a full 1280-pixel travel across the screen, he'd only have to move the mouse 0.896mm (I think).

      (Disclaimer: fuzzy math ahead)

      Who says the mouse hardware has to send a constant (not variable) motion:pixel signal? Lets assume it sends a 'move cursor' command once per millisecond. I (just now!) moved my mouse across my 1024 pixel screen, and it took about two inches (5 centimeters) of mouse movement, at default windows mouse settings. That's about 2.054 pixels per millimeter mouse movement. During each millisecond, a move of anywhere from 700nm-1cm could translate to a one pixel cursor movement, then 1.00000001cm - 2cm would be two pixels, etc. The sharpness would only come into play if someone managed to move it 701nm in less than one millisecond, it would still correspond to a one pixel movement, where as less accurate mice would not move the mouse at all.

      I don't think it matters whether your beam is 400nm or 700nm, unless it helps the laser track the mouse across non-optimal surfaces such as solid colors or glass. What may appear solid to a sensor at 700nm resolution could appear slightly patterned at 400nm, kind of like doubling magnification on a microscope allows you to find texture on surfaces which previously seemed flat.

    9. Re:Resolution by lostchicken · · Score: 2

      Good point.
      I'm pretty sure I can stay steady with in a wavelength of my cell phone's 'light'.

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  6. Black light by hero · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about black light on a white mouse pad? That would be pretty nifty.

    -hero.

    1. Re:Black light by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 2

      Clubs and bars use ultraviolet lights all the time

      Most of the dancers don't keep any part of their body within 2" of the blacklights for any appreciable length of time...

      At least that's what I've heard...

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    2. Re:Black light by spike+hay · · Score: 2

      I get my tan from my blacklight cold cathodes in my case. ;-)

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  7. Red/White/Blue... by monadicIO · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cool! I myself wanted to write a long FAQ about how to do an analogous thing for traditional mice. i.e. how to use a whiteboard marker to change the ball to match your decor.....but got bogged down by technical details...perhaps someone can help me...

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    1. Re:Red/White/Blue... by irn_bru · · Score: 2

      Horrible Apple Mac Hockey-puck style mouse had a two-tone ball. Grey and White, If I remember (got rid of it pretty darn quick).

  8. Major Headline! by rjstanford · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Next on Slashdot, a complete HOWTO on adding those leftover red LEDs to your car's window washer nozzles.

    I mean, really. I know that we've been getting sillier lately, but this? Not exactly News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. Is it?

    In unrelated news, a Japanese study shows another link between computer use and health problems. But hey, that sort of thing just isn't as k3wl....

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    1. Re:Major Headline! by Ageless · · Score: 2

      Here's what you do...
      Scroll down.

      Now wasn't that easy?

    2. Re:Major Headline! by IIRCAFAIKIANAL · · Score: 2

      From the article (in parent):
      The researchers urged more studies of the link between computer use and physical and mental symptoms.

      I always like to see this sort of thing. It helps reassure me that the group performing the study is trying to be responsible and not just scare people.

      (Personally, I'm more concerned that this story is probably a dupe than it being "unimportant to the readers of Slashdot", but anyway...)

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    3. Re:Major Headline! by Kidbro · · Score: 2

      I mean, really. I know that we've been getting sillier lately, but this? Not exactly News for Nerds. Stuff that matters. Is it?

      I wouldn't know about "Stuff that matters", but if it isn't "News for Nerds", then who's it for?

    4. Re:Major Headline! by kaden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps because that study is bad science? It ignores the fact that people with the emotional/physical problems they describe are more likely to be internet addicts than the average person. They have proven no strong, general correlation, and it is akin to saying "Piloting a 747 makes you a very smart and focused person" when really, the people who are doing that usually already have those qualities.

    5. Re:Major Headline! by Ageless · · Score: 2

      I guess I just treat it like SPAM. I read the subject. I read the first few lines if I have to and then I delete it if it's SPAM. The fact that I receive some SPAM doesn't reduce my pleasure at reading the good emails.

    6. Re:Major Headline! by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 2

      I just wonder what they do on major news sites, where probably a good 60% of the stuff they read is un-interesting to them...

  9. Which color works best? by Blimey85 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Back when optical mice were still on the drawing board, was any testing done to determine which color offered the best performance or was red simply chosen because the creator(s) thought it looked cool?

    Personally I would rather have blue to match the blue case on my computer but the mouse that I have isn't all that responsive as it is and if it gets any worse, it wouldn't be usable.

    Maybe one of the mod sites could do a test to see which colors offer the best performance and which colors should be avoided.

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    1. Re:Which color works best? by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Informative

      Red LEDs are the cheapest per mcd of brightness. That's it. Highly technical, I know.

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    2. Re:Which color works best? by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing that red LEDs being the cheapest might have had something to do with the decision.

    3. Re:Which color works best? by cronot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Excerpt from the article:

      The reason for this is because the red light increases the contrast of the surface it is lighting up. The tiny camera used to take pictures in the mouse is able to see changes in the surface better, offering excellent responsiveness.

      So, I guess the red color wasn't choosen for nothing... :-P Indeed, the article says that the mod will only work fine if you use high-intensity blue LED's.

    4. Re:Which color works best? by Ubergrendle · · Score: 3, Funny

      Blue was rejected due to users making a possible inference to a BSOD.

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    5. Re:Which color works best? by Urox · · Score: 2

      Green is used because the human eye is more sensitive to it. Red is used in machines because most detectors are most sensitive to the red area of the spectrum.

      Please back up your studies with links.

      My guess is that it is because green does not re-transmit as far in distance as red does. Red has a longer wavelength and so can travel further without absorption. You don't want your enemy to be able to see you as well, right?

      There was a study done about what would be better to use for star watching: green or red. The reason I recall (yep, no link here eather, but at least I don't make a sweeping statement to cover it) is that green was too close to night vision (for people who used filters instead of LEDs to look at their star charts) and would ruin most people's adjustments.

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    6. Re:Which color works best? by Idarubicin · · Score: 5, Informative
      Please back up your studies with links.

      Please stop being lazy and Google for it yourself. The original poster is quite correct. The human eye is most sensitive to green light. Going from red (632 nm) to green (532 nm) there is an approximately fourfold increase in sensitivity. That's why green laser pointers are starting to appear, despite their cost. Novelty value, certainly, but also because a laser pointer limited to a safe power is four times more visible in green than in red.

      My guess is that it is because green does not re-transmit as far in distance as red does. Red has a longer wavelength and so can travel further without absorption. You don't want your enemy to be able to see you as well, right?

      The eye can resolve finer variations in contrast and brightness in green than in red, as well--hence the use of green displays in night vision scopes. Incidentally, it doesn't matter at all what colour your night vision scopes' display is from the enemy's point of view. Night vision devices are almost always passive devices that collect existing light. As long as they are properly fitted, they aren't directing any radiation--red, green, visible, invisible--outward, so there's nothing to see.

      There was a study done about what would be better to use for star watching: green or red.

      For amateur astronomers, red LED flashlights are available. They are used because even a fairly bright red LED is perceived as relatively dim by the eye, so your eyes don't lose their dark adaptation every time you check your star charts.

      As an aside to anyone here who works with near-IR lasers...you know that a 200 mW diode laser at 670 nm (very red) looks no brighter than a 5 mW HeNe (red, 632 nm)--indeed, it looks quite a bit dimmer after all those burn spots start occluding your vision. Wavelength matters just as much as power when talking about perceived brightness.

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    7. Re:Which color works best? by spike+hay · · Score: 2

      Yeah but blue led's are the coolest per mcd of brightness.

      Red and green LED's look tacky. Remind me of those old calculators.

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    8. Re:Which color works best? by Urox · · Score: 2

      Please stop being lazy and Google for it yourself.

      Please stop being ignorant as to think that all questions can instantly be found by guessing at google search terms.

      Incidentally, it doesn't matter at all what colour your night vision scopes' display is from the enemy's point of view. Night vision devices are almost always passive devices that collect existing light.

      So obviously you're thinking that the enemy is always from one directly. I'm guessing you'll never be on a survelance team. I was already aware that they only collect info, but most assuredly they output it through the viewer and such equipment does not always have a way to be fit or worn. It should have been obvious that the display was what was discussed.

      For amateur astronomers, red LED flashlights are available. They are used because even a fairly bright red LED is perceived as relatively dim by the eye, so your eyes don't lose their dark adaptation every time you check your star charts.

      Red LED flashlights are used because normal light used with red filters allows too broad of spectrum to reach your eye thus killing your night vision.

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    9. Re:Which color works best? by dacarr · · Score: 2

      An ultraviolent LED? I think if you get a bank of red LED's and make them into an array (such as a brake light on the back of your car), that would be very much an optic assault, but I don't think a single LED can do much damage.

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    10. Re:Which color works best? by Urox · · Score: 2

      Neither red nor green should kill your night vision if you are using a single wavelength led. That is why astronomers are using led lights more often now days because the filters used over regular lights allowed too much broad spectrum light still. The broad spectrum is what kills your night vision.

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  10. Not so fine by L.+VeGas · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I'm fine with what I've got - although, the glass tops on tables does make using optical mice a pain there.

    I thought I was fine with what I had too, until I got a glass tabletop... and started working without pants. Now I just cry every time I look down.

    1. Re:Not so fine by SB5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      At least you can see yours, well I can see mine too, but some nerds can even see them sitting down. Although when I sit down at my glass desk and then promptly look down I am proud that I don't have to resort to enlarging cremes or pills. Although as a fellow geek finding a good use for it besides use by myself is quite, lacking....

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  11. Damn you /.! by El+Camino+SS · · Score: 4, Funny


    Aw, MAN! And I was just getting caught up on all of my ridiculous case modding and converting my Geo Storm into a Geo Storm "Type R"... ...NOW I HAVE TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF MY OPTICAL MOUSE TO GET PROPS AT THE DAMN LAN PARTY.

    (Like Heston) Damn you. DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

    1. Re:Damn you /.! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Geo Storm "Type R"

      You too? I got an extra sticker if you need it.

      (Like Heston) Damn you. DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

      Well, since he has Reagan Disease (Alzheimers), shouldn't that be more like: Damn you. Dam holds water. Sandwich ape! Gun go boom! Hello pill lady. PILL LADY IS MADE OF APES!

    2. Re:Damn you /.! by nolife · · Score: 4, Funny

      I have made some mods to my computer..
      I changed my case led's to show 133 when I actually only have a 100, a racing stripe on my burner, swiped an "Intel inside" sticker from a disply at Walmart and I hooked the 2940UW external led connector to the green power AND the yellow turbo light on the case front. Eventually I'll fire up Winbench but I figure I'm good for at least 60 more FPS in Doom..

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    3. Re:Damn you /.! by glitch_ · · Score: 2

      >>(Like Heston) Damn you. DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!

      >Well, since he has Reagan Disease (Alzheimers), shouldn't that be more like:
      >Damn you. Dam holds water. Sandwich ape! Gun go boom! Hello pill lady. PILL
      >LADY IS MADE OF APES!

      That is the funnies thing i've read in a long time!!! Thanks.

  12. Cool looking, But... by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem is that this can seriously degrade performance.

    What I want to know is: Would it be possible to come up with a mod design in which it switches between red and blue? (Red when it's moving, Blue when it's idle)

    I noticed the light turns off when the mouse is Idle with my intellimouse, maybe this could be switched around a bit.

    1. Re:Cool looking, But... by monadicIO · · Score: 5, Funny
      Red when it's moving, Blue when it's idle)

      ..... and yellow if you should stop soon. Of course, you could just speed up insanely onto the next window before it turns red...

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    2. Re:Cool looking, But... by ByteHog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What about the Tri-color LED's? Have a certain color show for a given speed / acceleration, mouse clicks, etc... This one for example. No idea how this could be done, but it'd be damn cool.

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  13. As seen previously on slashdot! by Kraegar · · Score: 2

    In this post about the lego cryogenic mouse mod.

  14. What about the detector? by P-Nuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd be worried that the detector might only be sensitive to longer, redder wavelengths. It would probably be worth checking on what component the mice use, and what its specifications are.

  15. Article: Desoldering LEDs by MyHair · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article: With the LED's now exposed, gently heat each side of the LED's carefully pulling on them until they are removed from the PCB. Take your time. This is actually the hardest part of the whole mod.

    This shouldn't be the hardest part of the mod. Solder-removal braiding and suction solder removers are cheaply available and highly recommended. Once you remove the solder, removing the LEDs is much easier and safer. (No flying hot solder!)

    1. Re:Article: Desoldering LEDs by trybywrench · · Score: 2, Funny

      I was tinning some wires once and flicked molten solder right in my tear duct. I thought I was going to die... but then i didn't and everything was OK.

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    2. Re:Article: Desoldering LEDs by Tim+Doran · · Score: 2

      Please mod parent [+1: Horrifying]

  16. Re:Don't actually do this! by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Informative
    Red has a longer wavelength than blue.

    Blue has a shorter wavelength than red.

    The reason red LEDs are used is because they are the cheapest, as longer wavelength bandgap devices are easier to make.

    The exception to this logic is infrared, since LEDs are typically used for visual indication. Infrared LEDs are useless for this purpose so manufacturers don't make nearly as many of them...

  17. Hrmm... by vasqzr · · Score: 5, Funny


    How many Slashdot'ers does it take to change an LED?


    Answer: The ISP hosting the site is about to find out....

    1. Re:Hrmm... by scot4875 · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many Slashdot'ers does it take to change an LED? Answer: The ISP hosting the site is about to find out....

      For some numbers:
      40% to remark on how cool it is
      30% to wonder "why would anyone want to do this?"
      10% to ponder the ramifications of attempting such a mod
      9% to point out others' spelling/grammar errors, even though they completely understood the post
      7% to warn about the dangers that this kind of a mod entails
      6% to go off on unrelated rants because someone said something that rubbed them the wrong way
      5% to note that they've already done it and how it changed their lives
      3% to make sure everyone knows that they got FP or link to goatse

      Yeah, it's 110%. But there are a lot of Slashdotters.

      --Jeremy

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  18. I wouldn't suggest doing it... by delus10n0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did this on an older style Microsoft Intellimouse, using a light blue LED from Radio Shack. And they're not kidding about losing responsiveness. I couldn't play Counter-Strike anymore or any other games which required me to move the mouse quickly. The mouse would just lose tracking and the cursor would freeze on the screen. I swapped the original red LED back in, and what do you know, it works fine again.

    I don't recall the URL, but about a year ago someone did a comparison of about 10 different LED colors they tried in an optical mouse, and found that red is the best. (Duhh)

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    1. Re:I wouldn't suggest doing it... by Glytch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, if you'd read the article, they said that the mod would not lower responsiveness so long as you used a bright enough LED. Bright red LEDs just happen to be cheapest. That's why they're used most often in manufacturing.

  19. Red is Dead by ajs · · Score: 4, Interesting


    A great scene is a great film (and I presume a great play, but I was too young to see it at the time).

    The line is, of course, from The Wiz, which starred Diana Ross (Dorothy) Michael Jackson (Scarecrow) and Nipsey Russell (Tinman). My favorite song was "You Can't Win", which was sung by MJ. It's basically the three laws of thermodymamics, turned into a song about pessimism.

    The "Red is Dead" line comes from a scene were they first get to the Emerald City. Everyone's dancing around this huge city square that's all lit green. Everyone's actually wearing white, but because of the lighting it looks green. Then there's an announcement that green is no longer in and the new color is red. Lights change, everyone is in red, and the dance continues. A few minutes later, the announcement proclaims, "Red is Dead" and I think the color moves on to gold.

    This film was made at the hight of the disco craze, and Diana Ross was very much a part of it. I was kind of suprised to see her poking such fun at the whirling fashion trends that came and went in weeks in the late 70s.

    1. Re:Red is Dead by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I fear you think too highly of this generation's memory
      Never attribute to cultural literacy that which can adequately be attributed to a simple rhyme.
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    2. Re:Red is Dead by digitalsushi · · Score: 2

      Even less serious than that, and I mention this link you've doubtless already visited due to your enjoyment of the thermodynamicness- http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/1391/1391522.h tml The sync is disturbingly good.

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    3. Re:Red is Dead by ajs · · Score: 2

      I was basing the assumption on the quotes around the phrase. Who knows :)

  20. Red is for mood. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    The faint glow of a red light while looking at pr0n just seems natural.

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  21. Re:woodgrain by chrisseaton · · Score: 2, Informative

    Works fine for me

  22. Neat mod... by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I'm guessing red LED's are used in the first place because of the cost. I read somewhere that red LED's are pennies and blue LED's are like $2.00 USD each. I probably read that on the Internet so take it with a grain of salt.

    I'm wondering how many more blue LED's we can take. I remember the first thing I seen with them was the Sony PlayStation 2. If you go in to Circuit City or Best Buy, it seems like EVERY stereo, DVD player, TV, laptop, etc has blue LED's! I'm sure consumers like them, but I can see this fad passing soon.

    If anyone opens up an old optical mouse, the kind where you need a special mouse pad, make sure you don't remove the infared LED and replace it with a blue one :-)

    1. Re:Neat mod... by Spyky · · Score: 2

      I'm guessing red LED's are used in the first place because of the cost. I read somewhere that red LED's are pennies and blue LED's are like $2.00 USD each

      Yeah, Blue LEDs are more expensive, but they have come down in price since they were introduced. I think they are about $0.30 each in quantity, still several times more than Red and Green at pennies each.

      -Spyky

  23. Glass tabletop fix by LokiFoo · · Score: 2, Funny
    although, the glass tops on tables does make using optical mice a pain there.

    Tape a mouse pad under the glass top.

    1. Re:Glass tabletop fix by LokiFoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      That is a sooo very typical White Trash solution. Good god, howtacky can you be? Hope you were just kiddin, otherwise I pity you and the trailer park from where you hail.


      Of course I was kidding, but you just gave me an idea. I can put the red LED's in the eyes of the pink flamingos out in my front yard...

  24. Remember the /. rules.. by grub · · Score: 2


    .. when you spill solder all over your MS mouse circuit board and ruin it you have to:

    a) Call Bill Gates a poopy-head
    b) Tell everyone "if MS included a schematic, this wouldn't have happened."
    c) Repeat.


    Yes I'm joking silly. :P

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  25. The reason they use red... by GoRK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, red LED's are cheaper, but there is another reason, too.. They also want to use the cheapest CCD available. That's going to be a monochrome CCD that's sensitive to larger wavelengths. A red LED is going to work better on that.

    With that in mind, an Infrared LED would probably work great with optical mice and their cheap CCD's.. maybe even better than red. You might have to remove an IR filter from in front of the CCD, and be wary of using them in a room with flourescent lighting, but it'd be good to try. How cool is an optical mouse with apparently NO light?!?!

    If you want the "cool" blue look for whatever twisted ass reason, just use a blue LED and an IR LED in paralell. You might have to play with different led's/led voltages to get the right balance between a responsive mouse and the cool blue glow your riceboy heart desires, but again, it should work.

    ~GoRK

    1. Re:The reason they use red... by BeBoxer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Works great. I've had an IR LED one of my mouse for quite a while now. It's hooked up to my jukebox PC which is out in the den. I got tired of having the mouse randomly flashing from dim to bright and back whenever it thought that maybe something was moving underneath it. It liked to do it the most when I was trying to watch movies. Dropped in an IR LED, and it works great. No more flashing.

    2. Re:The reason they use red... by radish · · Score: 5, Funny

      How cool is an optical mouse with apparently NO light?!?!


      About as cool as a 20 year old Sun optical mouse ;)

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    3. Re:The reason they use red... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course you need the cool mousepad with the mouse for the Old Sun Optical Mouse.
      I remembered when someone told me about the "New" Microsoft optical mouse. at the time I was working on a Sun Workstation in the computer lab, and he was talking some junk on how inovative MS is. So basicly I turned the mose over that I was working with and showed him that it didnt have a mouse ball. Then I told him that this particular mouse is about 6 years old. Luckaly that shut him up and I was able to get to work.

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    4. Re:The reason they use red... by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 2

      an Infrared LED would probably work great with optical mice and their cheap CCD's.. maybe even better than red.
      Kind of like some Logitech mice/trackballs do? (like the one on my desk right now?)
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    5. Re:The reason they use red... by Quixote · · Score: 3, Funny
      About as cool as a 20 year old Sun optical mouse ;)

      Oh, I have to tell this story. Some guys at work took a Sun to a trade-show. As luck would have it, they forgot to pack the mousepad that goes with one of those mice. It was a Saturday; they were in a far-away city, and none of the stores carried that pad. The demo was to start the next day, and we couldn't send them a mousepad that quickly.

      So what did they do? What all good engineers do: they improvised. They took mirror (bought at a local store) the size of the mousepad, and took some filament tape (used for packaging). They put the tape horizontally on half the mirror; vertically on the other half. To move the mouse, you would scan it on the 'horizontal' half till you got to the right row, and the 'vertical' half to get to the right column. Since the demo wasn't really _that_ mouse-intensive, it worked like a charm!

      Goes down in my book as one of the coolest hacks under crunch. I know, its off-topic, but the site is slashdotted and we need some idle conversation here.. :-)

    6. Re:The reason they use red... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 2

      Most of the good stuff MS sells is not made by them. They did not design the Intellimouse mechanisms (I believe that HP did the work for them). They do not write the *good* games that they publish (like Close Combat). They did not make their excellent fonts in-house -- those were contracted out for.

      Microsoft is one of the *least* "innovative" companies I can think of, though they do *distribute* a few nice items.

  26. I say orange.. by Angry+White+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Orange is the new pink!

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  27. Optical mice hork down batteries by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... like there's no tomorrow.

    I have two Logitech wireless mice: one at work, one at home. I spend comparable amounts of time logged in both places (*sigh*). The one at home is a mechanical mouse, the one at work is an optical mouse.

    My optical mouse has been through five sets of AA batteries in the amount of time it took my mechanical mouse to finish off one set of AAAs.

    And you can't use rechargables, because these bad boys need the full 1.7 volts from those Alkaline cells -- the 1.3 from NiCd just won't cut it.

    That's just nasty.

    1. Re:Optical mice hork down batteries by kennylives · · Score: 3, Informative
      And you can't use rechargables, because these bad boys need the full 1.7 volts from those Alkaline cells -- the 1.3 from NiCd just won't cut it.

      NiCad? What is this, 1982?? Try high-output NiMH instead. I've got a couple of sets for my digicam (which will destroy a set of alkalines faster than it takes to fill a CF card), and they're great. See Steve's digicams for a rundown of what's out there.

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    2. Re:Optical mice hork down batteries by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2

      Don't diss NiCads.
      LiIon and NiMH may be better for most applications, but neither is a replacment for really high-drain devices.
      You can drain a 7.2v 3000mA NiCad pack flat in 4 mins with no damage (they get very hot though). Try that with a LiIon and you'll be staring and a battery that's looks as if it's had a thermo-nuclar-meltdown.

    3. Re:Optical mice hork down batteries by kennylives · · Score: 2
      Maybe. I'm pretty sure the NiCad will suffer damage after a number of those kinds of cycles. Shorting the contacts, in particular, will do awful things to most battery technologies. For real high drain, though, lead-acid is the way to go. That's part of the reason they're used in cars. The starter motor in a car presents a huge, short, high drain every time the car is started. Even NiMH and Lion can deal with moderatly high drains, making their use in laptops, cameras, and other similar applications preferable to NiCad.

      At any rate, the issue was with optical cordless mice. I don't count those to be nearly as high-drain as, say, a laptop, but they do seem to require certain voltage characteristics, and NiCad seemed an odd and inappropriate choice for that. A flashlight, maybe, but a mouse requires something more.

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    4. Re:Optical mice hork down batteries by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 2
      I'm pretty sure the NiCad will suffer damage after a number of those kinds of cycles.

      Nope, unless you talking into the 100's. Probably right about lead acid. But not really something you want in a R/C car or a drill.

      And yes, I know mice aren't high-drain devices :)
      Just dispelling the myth that NiCads no longer have a use.

      Although, on a note. I once saw a prog where they made a high-speed electric car made to run on those flat salt lakes where they go for all the land speed records etc. It used 100's or 1000's of ~C sized NiCads.

    5. Re:Optical mice hork down batteries by Trogre · · Score: 2

      The other good thing about roller-ball wireless mice is that the excess energy in the two opto-mechanical translation wheels can be stored in a NiCd/NiMH cell and used for RF transmission.

      Never need to replace your batteries!

      The only disadvantage I can think of would be that the increased drag of the generators would make the ball more likely to skid on smooth surfaces.

      I suppose with motion coils you could do the same with optical mice, but I doubt it would be as efficient.

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  28. Computer mods... by GnomeKing · · Score: 5, Funny

    Every time I see one of these articles, this one in particular, it reminds me of the blokes who spend thousands of pounds to put UV tubes under their cars

    However, the main difference I can see between the two is that when the car modders have finished, they drive around town and OCCASIONALLY some girl stops, thinks its cool, and gets in with them, while mouse modders can only use their accomplishment to click on "sign me up" for yet another porn site

  29. Logitech Mouse by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link for the same mod with a Logitech Mouse.

    www.skybusiness.com/ntanner

    I've done this, and it works fine. Note that there are two Radio shack LED's that are blue, one that outputs 2600 MCD's at 4.5 volts, the other 300 at 6 volts. I used the brighter one, and have no skipping problems at all.

    Radio Shack

  30. Re:Don't actually do this! by Tsar · · Score: 2

    Red light has the shortest wavelength possible, which is why it is used for mice. A small movement will then correspond to a large number of wavelengths, making tracking the mouse's position easier. If you switch to blue, the longest possible wavelength, your mouse will be essentially useless.

    Uh, wrong. Red LED's emit at wavelengths of 640-700 nanometers, while blue LED's emit in the 430-475 nm range. Red LED's are used because they're cheap and plentiful, not because they have the shortest wavelength.

    Besides, even a high-res, 1600DPI optical mouse only has to detect changes on the order of 625,000 nanometers, so any wavelength within the spectrum of commercially-available LED's will do, so long as the sensor will pick it up.

  31. Blue LED? Nah!! by cerebralsugar · · Score: 5, Funny

    A blue LED doesn't help me get any work done. Sure, it may look cool and impress chicks, but even cooler would be an ALL KNOWING, ALL SEEING MOUSE, that wouldn't rely on me to push it around the mouse pad to get work done. It would do all the work for me because it would be that smart. And I would fall asleep during working hours.

    It would be pretty damn good at playing quake as well, much better than me.

    If I could find a mouse like that, well heck, then it could have a blue LED. Until then though, only red for it, until it gets smarter and starts doing some damn work for a change instead of just sitting there until I push it.

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    1. Re:Blue LED? Nah!! by Jugalator · · Score: 2

      A blue LED doesn't help me get any work done. Sure, it may look cool and impress chicks, but even cooler would be an ALL KNOWING, ALL SEEING MOUSE, that wouldn't rely on me to push it around the mouse pad to get work done. It would do all the work for me because it would be that smart.

      This seem to be related to a post I did on this topic. :)

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  32. Re:Optical Mouse on Glass Table? by ch-chuck · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Laser pointer cat exerciser is patented - the owners have been notified and will contact you to arrange easy payment options.

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  33. Mice are kinda like lightsabers for programmers by Xpilot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sith (evil programmers) use the red ones. Blue, green and now purple are used by the good guys :)

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    1. Re:Mice are kinda like lightsabers for programmers by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sith (evil programmers) use the red ones. Blue, green and now purple are used by the good guys :)

      That would at least explain the reason for the LED's used by Microsoft mice. :)

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    2. Re:Mice are kinda like lightsabers for programmers by Joe5678 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I see you have constructed a new mouse. Your skills are complete. Indeed you are powerfull, as the Emperor has foreseen."

  34. Cached by aef123 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a link to Google's cached version of the page so people can actually see it.

    http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:pYdsFS2ayMgJ: www.extrememhz.com/mouseled1.shtml+mouseled1.shtml &hl=en&ie=UTF-8

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    1. Re:Cached by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 2

      I think that EXTREME MHZ does not describe the the website if it can't handle /. Maybe something like mediocremhz.com or maybe handful-of-mhz.com or something like that is more apporpiate.

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  35. Does it have to be a color? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wouldn't an outside-of-the-visible-spectrum light work? The red gets annoying when playing at 4:am in the dark...

  36. Bah, they're not doing it right... by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they're going through all the trouble of changing the LED's to blue, why not change them into a superintelligent shade of blue!

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  37. mirror by cetan · · Score: 2, Informative

    The site is still up for me but just in case, here's a mirror:

    http://home.attbi.com/~bernhard36/mouseled1.html
    http://home.attbi.com/~bernhard36/mouseled2.html
    http://home.attbi.com/~bernhard36/mouseled3.html

    though page one links to two and two to three fine on the mirror

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  38. Just use a proper optical mouse... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a Logitech optical/wireless mouse which works on just about any surface, such as:
    - My flat, smooth, featureless desktop;
    - The crap that usually sits on that desktop: plain printed paper, smooth & shiny take out pizza menu's etc.
    - My trousers, in case the desktop is too full to move a mouse over.
    - My cats! One is extremely black and short-haired, the other a multicolor longhaired one. The mouse works reasonably well on either of them, when one of them lies down on the only clear spot on my desk.
    - Wood grain of any description.

    Get a decent brand optical mouse, it is worth the higher price.

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    1. Re:Just use a proper optical mouse... by saskboy · · Score: 3, Funny

      The cats must love getting stroked by a mouse, *the wrong way*. ;-)

      I'd feel sorry for them if you are playing Unreal too.

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    2. Re:Just use a proper optical mouse... by los+furtive · · Score: 2

      FYI Optical mice don't work well at all on glass, mirrors and some of those '3D' or 'holograph/shiny' style mouse pads. Kindof ironic considering the Microsoft optical mouse displayed at most stores sits on a mirror.

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    3. Re:Just use a proper optical mouse... by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've got a Logitech optical mouse with iFeel haptic feedback (it vibrates), I doubt the cats would like that...

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    4. Re:Just use a proper optical mouse... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have a microsoft optical mouse. works fine on shiny/mirror surfaces, such as the data (silver) side of a CD

      Does the CD work after you've scratched it up after several hours of mousepad duty?

    5. Re:Just use a proper optical mouse... by walt-sjc · · Score: 2

      Does the CD work after you've scratched it up

      With a new AOL CD in the mail every day, he got an endless supply.

  39. Re:Don't actually do this! by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    quite entertaining that a physics genius as you self proclaim knows nothing about light and wavelengths.

    Red and Infrared are the absolute slowest of the light and hence the longest wavelengths... this is why you get something called a red shift when objects travel away from you at high speed.

    Blue being just below violet and being at the top of the visible spectrum have the absolute shortest wavelength just before ultraviolet. This give you a blue shift for objects travelling toward you at high speed.

    Note when I mean high speed, I am talking about thousands upon thousands upon thousands of miles per hour.. none of this paltry human achieveable speeds... Being a physics genius you know this....

    the color of the light has nothing to do with tracking, nor does the optical mouse work anything like you think (read that as assume as you obviousally never looked up how they actually work). Please, please, oh please... if you want to have the audacity as touting that you are any kind of genius do not spew forth fecies.... it make you look bad.

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  40. Activation Voltage by robertchin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't understand how this can just work, you may be able to swap for a yellow or green LED, but a blue LED has a much higher activation voltage, which would mean that either the red LED was being overdriven, or there's a chip in charge of changing the voltage somehow because it was designed to handle other color LEDs as well. The blue LED should be really dim if the voltage is for a red LED (GaAS).

  41. One source for bright LEDs by ryanvm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, I've never bought LEDs from them, but I know they have a pretty good selection of VERY bright LEDs of practically any color.

    http://hosfelt.com/en-us/dept_54.html

  42. After reading this article... by Municipa · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am considering hanging myself by my cordless mouse.

    1. Re:After reading this article... by Idarubicin · · Score: 2
      Whoa! Sweet mod, dude!

      You put a cord on it!

      Does it still work?

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  43. Re:Optical Mouse on Glass Table? by Psion · · Score: 2

    Don't be ridiculous. In saying "used to", the original poster is clearly laying a claim to prior art.

  44. Another reason NOT to switch to blue by mamba-mamba · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Obviously this replacement worked for the story's author, but there is a technical point I haven't seen raised yet: Blue LED's have a much higher forward voltage drop than red LED's, and will often not turn on all the way in a circuit designed for red LED's.

    The typical red LED circuit is a resistor connected to 5 volts (sometimes 3.3) in series with the LED. The resistor limits the current that can pass through the LED. The value of the resistor is based on some typical forward voltage across the LED. That is, the 5 volts will end up being partially across the resistor, and partially across the LED. The resistor is calculated so that the typical voltage drop will yield the desired current.

    The voltage drop on a red LED is about 1 or 1.5 volts or something (I don't remember exactly) but blue LED's ca drop around 3 or 4 volts (IIRC). This throws off the calculations used in selecting a current-limiting resistor for the typical (red) LED circuit. A 3.3 volt circuit might not even turn a blue LED on at all.

    The best way to turn on a blue LED is to put it in series with a simple current source (this can just be one matched pair of transistors with a current setting resistor on one of them) or, when possible, to use 12 volts with a current-limiting resistor in series.

    Green and yellow are close enough to red that they don't pose a problem.

    MM
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    1. Re:Another reason NOT to switch to blue by mamba-mamba · · Score: 2

      First of all, if you have a setup that works, then I would say that's great and stick with it. Don't change something that works on account of my comment.

      But to answer your question, the USB power is not a current source. It is a voltage source. It is designed to stay at 5 volts and supply more or less current (up to some limit) if necessary to maintain that voltage.

      A resistor in series with a voltage source is a sort of crude current source, but it is highly dependent on the load. That's why it might not work if you simply switch LED's. Ideally you should at least re-calculate the resistor value if you change from a red/yellow/orange/green LED to a blue one. The resistor value will be smaller for a blue LED.

      A "real" current source would be designed to maintain some current, and raise or lower the voltage as necessary (within some limit) to maintain that current.

      The simplest transistor current source is a matched pair of transistors in a configuration called a current mirror. You would have the matched pair, one resistor to set the current, and the LED as a load.

      It is a bit tricky to describe without a diagram, but here is a url:
      http://www.ee.umd.edu/~bassel/man/lab6edit/n ode3.h tml

      In the picture, the 10k resistor is setting the current to 1mA ((10.7V - 0.7 V)/10k=1mA) and R2 is acting as a load. No matter what the value of R2, the current through it will be 1mA. Naturally this is only true over some range. When R2 is greater than 10k, for example, it no longer works.

      If you were to use this for a blue LED driver, you would put the LED where R2 is, and use 5 volts instead of 10.7, and calculate a new value instead of 10k. If you wanted 20 mA, for example, you would use (5V-0.7V)/20mA = 215 Ohms. So you could use 220 or 240 instead of 10k.

      The 0.7 V is subtracted to account for the voltage drop from base to emitter in the transistors. This is an estimate, but it is close enough for what we are doing.

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  45. Why make, when you can buy... by protohiro1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I ran across this . Its a really cool mouse that has 24(!) user selectable LED colors. You change the color by hitting a switch on the mouse. Now that's cool. Next is to have a red, green and blue LED with variabe instensities...

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  46. Red is more efficient by distributed.karma · · Score: 2

    Red was the color of the first LEDs, which is why it's still the cheapest (though marginally). Therefore they also have the longest development history. More importantly, long-wavelength semiconductors are usually more efficient -- not that this makes any difference in desktop systems though.

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  47. In other words... by andyf · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other words, this article is: Slashdot - How to Change a Lightbulb!

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    1. Re:In other words... by fobbman · · Score: 2

      With all the jokes out there I'm quite proud to see that it only takes one of us, unlike Microsoft executives who instead declare darkness as the new standard.

  48. Blue by mbbac · · Score: 2, Funny

    Blue is the new high-tech color. As well as titanium. I read that somewhere.

    Must be because of the new PowerBook and Aqua. ;)

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  49. Where to buy ultrabright LED's? by Chicane-UK · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have just checked around some of the well known UK suppliers (Maplin Electronics and RS Electronics) to find these ultra bright LED's in blue, but I will be damned if I can find em.

    The very brightest I saw was 2000MCD - and that was being sold as the highest brightness at nearly $7US for a single LED.

    Suggestions on where to buy from please?

    Thanks!

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    1. Re:Where to buy ultrabright LED's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Hello,
      Yes, the hosting company shut down the site temporarily. Crippled their server. Sorry guys...I tried to keep it up.

      About the LED's used in this mod...
      They are from superbrightleds.com (go figure huh?) hehe

      You need them that bright in order for them to work properly. Hope this helps!

    2. Re:Where to buy ultrabright LED's? by ryanvm · · Score: 2

      Try Hosfelt. The second product listed is a 6000 MCD blue LED.

  50. Re:Slashdotted by RedWolves2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is not the first. I saw one site last month check the site referrer and if you came from Slashdot it gave a message to "Go Away!"

  51. I've had a not-red LED in all my optical mice. by PaybackCS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always changed them. Some of the fun color's I've used: The logitec dual-sensor: blue and gree Old logitec optical (with blue glowing logo): white New logitec opticals: blue And one more I did just to see if it would work: an Infrared LED (from a remote control) in one of the newer Logitec opticals. It's great, make people think that your mouse's light is burned out, but somehow still works fine.

  52. Blue is Cool - here's an article on why! by swordboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I do have to say that a blue LED mouse looks about 10X cooler than a red one.

    Here's Why

    After reading this article yesterday, I pondered changing the LED in my mouse. Has slashdot implmented some sort of psychic cookies or something?

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  53. Re:I'm so tired about blues by loconet · · Score: 2

    Blue everywhere

    Yo listen up: here's a story
    About a little guy

    That lives in a blue world
    And all day and all night and everything he sees is
    Just blue like him inside and outside
    Blue his house with a blue little window
    And a blue Corvette and everything is blue for him
    And himself and everybody around
    'Cause he aint got nobody to listen: ...
    I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee)

    I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee)
    I have a blue house with a blue window
    Blue is the color of all that I wear
    Blue are the streets and all the trees are too
    I have a girlfriend and she is so blue
    Blue are the people here that walk around
    Blue like my Corvette it's standing outside
    Blue are the words I say and what I think

    Blue are the feeling that live inside me
    I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee)
    I have a blue house with a blue window
    Blue is the color of all that I wear
    Blue are the streets and all the trees are too

    I have a girlfriend and she is so blue
    Blue are the people here that walk around
    Blue like my Corvette it's standing outside

    Blue are the words I say and what I think
    Blue are the feeling that live inside me
    I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee)
    Just blue like him inside and outside
    Blue his house with a blue little window
    And a blue Corvette and everything is blue for him
    And himself and everybody around
    'Cause he aint got nobody to listen:

    I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee),I'm blue (da ba dee)

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  54. Night Vision by cybermace5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The obvious reason NOT to do this.

    On submarines and ships, they used to have only red lights inside when it was dark (or the person who had to go outside would wear red goggles inside). This was to preserve the ability to see detail in the dark. The eye's light sensors are able to recover quickly from red light, less so from other wavelengths.

    Remember this at your next dimly-lit LAN party, where you've modded your computer and mouse with blue LEDs. And don't blame me when you trip and fall on the way to the fridge for another Mountain Dew. Or get fragged by someone you never saw, because your dark sensitivity was diminished after staring lovingly at your glowing blue mouse during respawn.

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  55. nice mod... by stevewm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is a cool mod to do if you have a mouse with clear sides :D (The $12 Logitech model B12 comes to mind..)

    On my Logitech B12 I desoldered the factory LED, and put in its place a cut in half CD-ROM passthrough cable plug. I then went and bought 1 of every color LED that http://www.superbrightleds.com sells. When I want to change colors I just pull the LED leads out of the plug and pop it out of its plastic holder/lens.

    I've measured the voltage being delivered to every color LED when in the mouse: Aqua (max Vf 3.6), Blue (Vf 3.5), Green (Vf 3.5) and White (Vf 3.4) all get 3.35-3.5v Red (Vf 2.2), Yellow (Vf 2.4), and Orange all get 2.3v

    All of these LEDs are rated 5000mcd and above.

    Every color tracks just like the factory Red LED. And in some cases better! The White, Blue, Aqua and Green LEDs track much better on shinny surfaces. On the same surface Red, Yellow, and Orange LEDs just make the cursor jump around.

  56. How can a site named "extrememhz.com"... by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 4, Funny

    go down so fast? This site is shutdown temporarily due to the slashdot effect.

    I suppose "extreme" could refer to minimum.

    1. Re:How can a site named "extrememhz.com"... by Violet+Null · · Score: 2

      Just remember -- caching is bad, it wouldn't help Slashdot, and it would hurt the server owners.

  57. Kits by RailGunner · · Score: 2
    "This site is shutdown temporarily due to the slashdot effect."

    You'd think they'd *want* a bunch of geeks reading this.

    Maybe they could sell kits to change the LED color on your mice to recoup the bandwidth cost of a good slashdotting.

  58. I'm afraid to try this mod... by Interrobang · · Score: 2

    ...I might break my mouse irreparably. And as always, I'd rather be Red than Dead!

    --ducking--

  59. Blue mouse by Dusabre · · Score: 2

    Follow the link: More like blue wig, red arse, sorry led.

    Oh and the song is by Eiffel 65. And it's titled "Blue".

    And it is extremely incredibly offensive (to my ears) techpop from Germany.

  60. -1 Moron... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um, IR is the best thing you can use.

    All IR LEDs (except for maybe some outlandish ones, but none that I know of) are near-IR. Si isn't transparent to near-IR, it's transparent to far-IR (i.e. the type of IR given off by not-obscenely-hot objects). In fact, as others pointed out, most CCDs and CMOS sensors have their sensitivity peak in the near-IR area! (Note: This is the main principle that enables Sony NightShot mode. In most camcorders and digital cameras, there is an optical element that filters out near-IR light because it will utterly kill proper color rendition - In NightShot mode, this filter is moved out of the way, allowing more light in, which happens to be at the sensor's peak. Color rendition goes down the tubes, but recording something is better than recording nothing.)

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  61. IR probably works best by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    As IR is where the peak of most CCD/CMOS imaging device's sensitivity is.

    But for many reasons (volume, for one), high-brightness red LEDs are more plentiful and cheaper than IR. Red is nearly as good sensitivity-wise, but much cheaper.

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  62. Infragreen? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    Um, there is no such thing.

    Infrared literally means something like, "below/before red". Theoretically infragreen exists... We call it yellow. Ultragreen exists to in the literal sense - But no one calls it that, they just say "blue".

    Most imaging devices (Like the CCDs and photomultipliers used in machinery, including NV goggles) are most sensitive to IR. Also, IR is invisible to people without IR goggles, so if active illumination is used, it's IR.

    Green is where the eye is most sensitive, but green light kills night vision. Also, red does not travel as far (This may be more of a psychological/eye sensitivity thing than physics) - Back in high school when I was on stage crew, white flashlights were *verboten* because the audience could see the spillover when they were used backstage. Red-filtered flashlights, OTOH, couldn't be seen by the audience.

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  63. Technical Considerations by Lewie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did this a few weeks ago in a fit of boredom at work after reading about it in some article here @ /.

    Since blue LED's have a voltage drop of nearly double red LEDs (~3.5v vs. ~1.9v), I wondered if it would be a problem. I replaced both reds in my wired Intellimouse Optical USB with blue 470 nm Nichias and the sensor appeared not to mind the shift of 200nm; it works fine. Nor did it appear to mind the ~33% drop in LED current, but as these are high-output blues, it's possible they are more efficient than the reds it replaced and are generating similar optical power. Or, the sensor isn't really picky.

    My mouse has a red translucent base so I changed out the LED that illuminates that as well, hoping for a nice purple maybe, but the plastic's response is too sharp. No blue gets through at all. Maybe if I use more current.... :)

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  64. Re:woodgrain by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it is not the wood grain but the sealant that is most likely causing the problem. If the laser reflects, things go awry. A piece of graph paper works wonders. The double LED mice also reduce the skipping noticeably.

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  65. Re:Blue = Legacy. by Urox · · Score: 2

    Blue is Microsoft's Color. Therefore, blue is the color of choice for legacy users, and legacy equipment.

    Uh, blue is IBM's color and has been for quite a while. Ever hear of "big blue" or "Deep Blue"?

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  66. Re:TrackLED? by Etrigan_696 · · Score: 2

    I'm using a Microsoft Trackball Explorer 1.0 PS2/USB optical trackball right now. The big red marble pops out of the frame and you can throw it around the office.
    The coolest thing about it is when I turn the lights in my office off - The ring around the ball glows, making the transparent red shell of the ball glow slightly - looks like I have the eye of sauron on my desk.

    go here for a review of the thing, with pics and all. I love mine. Keeps the shoulder from burining after a long day of waving a mouse around (bad shoulder, motorcycle accident)

  67. Mod up parent by Greedo · · Score: 2

    That article is quite interesting. Provides a nice overview of how blue LEDs came to be, and how they came to be all the rage.

    Also, a neat piece of trivia on how Blaupunkt got it's name is on the second page.

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    1. Re:Mod up parent by Rader · · Score: 2

      I feel sorry for the guy who invented it getting only $165 as a bonus.

  68. I put in an Infrared LED by johnny+cashed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I got an iopty jr from macally. The mouse has a mostly clear body and of course, in the store it wasn't actually hooked up. I found the bright ass red LED to be annoying. So I purchased an infrared LED to quelch it. Works wonderfully.

  69. solar power by TechnoLust · · Score: 2
    I had this same problem and I made a mouse pad out of a solar cell, then ran the wire up to mouse. The mouse emits light, the solar cell turns it into electricity and it channels back up to the mouse. It also picks up light from the ambient room light and uses it as well.

    Seriously, though, get some NiMH or LI batteries.

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  70. 2001 Flashbacks by rupert2000 · · Score: 2, Funny

    For me, the red light is too reminiscent the evil and almighty HAL. Just try playing an mp3 of 'Daisy Bell' while staring into your mouse's red light. See if you don't start pulling out PCI cards and breathing heavily.

  71. Quack by shadowj · · Score: 4, Funny
    ducktape is also very good to fix your windshield cracks

    Or for repairing a broken duck.

    Personally, I prefer using DUCT tape for most applications, including removing warts. Doesn't work all that well for taping ducts, though.

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    1. Re:Quack by nutbar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, duck tape is a rather popular brand of duct tape.

  72. Try this article by Quixote · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since the site is slashdotted, here's an alternative article on the topic. Note the date: Dec 2000!
    I guess this isn't _that_ new of a hack.

  73. Re:Logitech did them by NortWind · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get Logitech DUAL sensor optical, especially for gaming where you need to mix fast acurate moves with precision moves.

  74. Multi colors by ehiris · · Score: 2

    I wonder if you could use a multi-color led that adapts based on mouse state. Did anybody try that yet?

  75. Better dead than red? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

    All these comments and I haven't seen a single cold war joke.

  76. Re:Cutting the cord. by netsharc · · Score: 2

    That's kinda dumb, as far as I know the receiver doesn't send feedback to the mouse concerning the strength of the signal it's getting, and regardless of distance to the receiver, the mouse transmits using the same signal strength, using the same amount of electricity.

    I do have cordless mouse and keyboard, and I like it. I use rechargable batteries so that's less waste. I like it, I can move the mouse towards me without having the cable snag somewhere and stop me, and I can move the mouse away from me without running over the cable.

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  77. Problems With Microsoft Mice by Cyno01 · · Score: 2

    I came acorss this mod one time and thought it would be incredibly cool with a blue LED instead, but I thought about it and the plexi used for the mouse wheel probably wouldn't be as grippy/nice feeling as the slightly rubbery surface of the wheel I had. I looked around and finally I found a mouse that came with a clear scroll wheel. it was the new m$ Blue Intellimouse. I bought it ($20 after a $10 rebate) and ordered some superbright blue LEDs. Once they came I hijacked voltage from the USB cable and put one directly behind the clear scroll wheel. It lights up quite nicely and looks awesome, Then I replaced the red LED in the back and the one for the sensor with blue ones. It worked fine and it was bright enough that the responsiveness didn't drop, but... all microsoft optical mice have the clear red plastic for the bottom. It glowed quite brightly when there were red LEDs in it, but i unfortunately discovered that the red plastic completely filters out the blue light. So the only light coming from it is out of the wheel, and of course the bottom if you pick it up. I attached some longer leads to the one in the back and and siliconed it directly too the little red oval in the butt of the mouse and managed to get a faint purple glow out of it. It still looks pretty cool, but it dissapointingly glows less. My TI-83+ Silver on the other hand glows very nicely with the 2 blue LEDs i put in it.

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  78. HOWTO: Optical mice on a glass table/desk by syukton · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay. This solution is kind of technically involved, so please just hold on tight.

    1. Take a piece of paper, about letter size (8.5 x 11 inches) and set it on top of the glass surface.
    2. secure it with tape or glue.
    3. Mouse on new paper surface. Consider this a table-top surface-mount upgrade, if you will. This is the PaperSurface 1.0 upgrade, the six-second solution to most of my mousing problems.

    I think this is one of those problems that takes less time to actually fix, than to mention it as being a problem.

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    1. Re:HOWTO: Optical mice on a glass table/desk by jedikid86 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ok now get a pen and draw on it or take notes or whatever and replace as needed its paper mousing surface 1.1

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  79. Duck Tape Club by morzel · · Score: 2
    Except here in Europe the stuff is marketed as Duck Tape

    Don't know why tho :-)

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  80. Re:Logitech did them by BlueArchon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a Logitec cordless optical, same design as the dual optical, batteries instead of a second sensor. But I find it a bit bulky, so I bought a Logitec MX300 mouse. Same precision, but a lot smaller and lighter. Well... it's a matter of preference...

  81. Re:Slashdotted by RedWolves2 · · Score: 2

    Yeah but you get the idea I want a Tablet PC.

  82. HAS ANYONE TRIED THIS WITH WHITE LED'S? by cybercomm · · Score: 2

    Sorry for posting in caps but as i read the comments it struck me as wierd that NOBODY even mentioned white LED's. Is there some problems with them (different voltage/consumption) or do the CCD sensors ignore white light? Is their brightness somehow impaired (i doubt it, but it doesent hurt to ask). Any insghts would be helpful and greatly appreciated as i have a whole ton of white ones (and frankly i wanna be original...somehow 300++ blue led's in my computer are starting to bore me!

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  83. That's nothing, I put a white LED in a CueCat! by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

    Back when opening up CueCats and modifying them to output unencrypted data was all the rage, I experimented with putting a white LED in one. Hell, it was free so if it didn't work afterwards, I wouldn't have cared. But sure enough, it still worked... Not only did it look cooler, but I found out it also gave it the unique ability of being able to scan RED barcodes, something laser-based and normal CueCats couldn't do.

    Picture of White-modifed CueCat

    I've also modified my share of mice, but I don't think they're as cool as my cat.

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  84. Phototransistors like RED by bigberk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, true, these modern optical mice don't use simple phototransistors but my guess is that they use devices based on semiconductors that behave like phototransistors.

    Silicon phototransistors are most sensitive to near-infrared light. The closest visible frequency to this is red, which may explain why you see red LEDs a lot in photosensitive equipment.

    That in mind, you may "see" (ha ha) good results using an infrared LED.

  85. Re:Oh the irony by GiMP · · Score: 2

    I was just thinking that I should put a white LED in my apple pro mouse as well.. so how DO you take these things apart?

  86. NEMA color codes by Animats · · Score: 2
    Now that, at last, we have affordable LEDs in all colors, we can get back to the classic NEMA color code and get rid of all those bogus red lights.
    • Green - normal condition
    • Yellow - abnormal, but not serious
    • Red - trouble. You should be doing something to make this light go out.
    • Blue, White - general purpose, no designated meaning. Use whenever colors above don't apply.
    Heavy industrial equipment has followed these rules for half a century, as have IBM mainframes. Stick to this in rackmount gear. It makes it far easier to tell, with a quick look, what needs attention.
  87. IR leds by olman · · Score: 2

    IR leds give most output for the energy. I don't know if their CCD element is sensitive to IR thought. Many optical detectors are in fact much more sensitive to IR than visible light.